psyker-class

[strong gulch]

just click

[marble crater]

Looks good

[pale prairie]

The joke is that it has a ceiling at all and isn’t just an open patio

[marble crater]

I missed so much I don't even get that part

[pale prairie]

Long Covid strikes again

[zealous wing]

basically, all classes have a high skill ceiling, arby's is about the same as vets. push button, push w, win

[pale prairie]

Wrong

[zealous wing]

[marble crater]

Yeah, I'm still getting coughing fits, sucks. Especially bad when I walk up the stairs

[pale prairie]

Vet doesn’t have access to a shield with a fucking flashbang taped to it. Also auto dog

[quartz barn]

do fake 3 stam curios still exist?

[zealous wing]

probably

[marble crater]

Of course

[quartz barn]

levelling arbi but i dont remember what the split was

400 = fake?

[zealous wing]

400 = fake, yes

[quartz barn]

aight tnx

[radiant frigate]

nihilist arby's is a good account

[zealous wing]

randomish note, i HAVE found that the auto special targetting doesnt actually save you from trappers all that often. i've still had to dodge nets before doggo pounces

hence my love of the shotpistol, its necessary, because, dog is honestly slow to react to such threats

[zealous wing]

which is GOOD

[pale prairie]

So skill

Much wow

Vet definitely can do this too

[pale prairie]

So? You never worry about dogs and just dodge net to let dog take care of it

[zealous wing]

i still deal with dogs because chip damage

and, i still shoot the trapper, preferably before she fires

[pale prairie]

Oh no I lost some health but my run wasn’t ended

[zealous wing]

i did say earlier though, arby without the dog is just a vet on steroids

the dog is really the only thing making the arby different in a genuine way

[pale prairie]

Arby without dog takes more skill than with dog

[zealous wing]

arby without dog is usually taken for refilling shock mines

pocket smykers

[pale prairie]

Yes that’s how the game is played

Because losing dogs gives you other things as said in talent description

[zealous wing]

imo, not enough to make up for lack of dog, be it bleed aoe, crusher stagger, monster stagger with the explosion, dog is far more utility than dogless

[strong gulch]

What about arby who just sends dog to get stuck in backrooms or 100 m away. Almost like no dog.

[pale prairie]

Dog is better cause it’s an invulnerable special killer

[pale prairie]

“High skill ceiling class like every one”

Damn learning a ping button is soooo haaaaard

[echo turtle]

You can kill the specials yourself

[pale prairie]

Yes

[zealous wing]

just because its easy to technically DO doesnt mean its easy to do WELL

[pale prairie]

No one said otherwise?

[echo turtle]

It's not as if dropping a special every now and then is a huge difference

[zealous wing]

its easy to put taunt and shield on an ogryn and stand in corners

[pale prairie]

Netters, dogs end runs

[zealous wing]

its harder to learn to use the shield to duel crushers without losing stamina

[strong gulch]

yes

[echo turtle]

If you can mark a netter or a dog, you should have just shot it

[pale prairie]

I am sorry what?

[marble crater]

Tagging is more fun than shooting

[pale prairie]

Lmao if you aren’t doing it right then you aren’t doing it

[royal totem]

If class truly so ez why do i still die

[pale prairie]

Melee is out and dealing with horde?

Tanking boss?

[zealous wing]

you could say the same about psyker, vet, ogryn, and zealot then, krieger. if you arent doing it right then you arent doing it

[pale prairie]

Bulwarks in the way?

[pale prairie]

Arbites makes it eeeeeasy though

[royal totem]

By krieger logic im bad so i guess i bad

[zealous wing]

ogryn bull rush, vet shout, zealot chorus, psyker shriek, arby break the line

[pale prairie]

? What is this even about

[zealous wing]

"bulwarks in the way"

[pale prairie]

Ability on cooldown cause it’s havoc and you already used it

[white valley]

Are you really comparing opening a bulwark with a dog that has no cooldown with using abilities?

[pale prairie]

That’s the scenario for dog

[pale prairie]

Thank you

[royal totem]

Game too hard. Brb uninstalling

[zealous wing]

if you can tag a target through the bulwarks you can shoot it

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-no-nope-gif-5413974953753901704

Alright guys shields don’t exist

Hexis confirmed

[zealous wing]

... can you tag a trapper through a bulwark in the way of your bullets

last i checked youd tag the bulwark instead

[pale prairie]

Wow

No cooldown

[zealous wing]

bulwarks are elites

[pale prairie]

So are trappers

Specialists

[white valley]

The dog can simply pounce on the trapper without you tagging it

[zealous wing]

so what, hide in a corner, wait for dog to clear everything, is your idea of capped skill?

[pale prairie]

Capped skill is that zero player input is required

I can just melee dance or shoot random shit and my dog is clearing the screen of enemies

[white valley]

You can never shoot a special and still finish a havoc mission with over 40 kills on them

[zealous wing]

inferno moment

[pale prairie]

Oh dog use can kill arbites now?

[white valley]

Sure, inferno staff can do that too via kinetic flayer + wildfire+perilous combustion

But that requires a chain to start

And does require peril management, even if for most of us that is second nature by now

[pale prairie]

Whoa you’re saying it requires player input?!!

[white valley]

Shocking, right?

It is undeniable that Arbitrator has the lowest skill floor in the game

[zealous wing]

but you still have to know what youre doing

[tulip kettle]

arb also just lets you get away with nonsense no other class can

watching arbs in 40 stand there getting shot by stalkers and just, not caring

[pale prairie]

You mean my toughness refill and DR maxing ability?

[white valley]

I guess? But you can literally get pounced by a dog 30m away from your team and your dog saves you

[pale prairie]

Standing in FIRE

[tulip kettle]

precisely that

[white valley]

Castigator's Stance moment

[fresh reef]

What level of play do you guys think Fatshark is trying to balance around?

[zealous wing]

havoc

[marble crater]

Explain this then

[zealous wing]

according to kreiger, youre the bottom of the skill floor i guess

[marble crater]

Because you didn't save me

[zealous wing]

but youre an arby

takes no skill to win

[loud girder]

nah

inferno psyker

[pale prairie]

Havoc

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

[loud girder]

all the classes are busted rn

it doesnt matter

[pale prairie]

The complete reversal of your position over a series of weeks is crazy to me

[tulip kettle]

nah lets be honest

zel is in a significantly worse place than the rest

[loud girder]

zealot is great
the rest are just stupid

[pale prairie]

Didn’t say takes no skill. Just little skill. Also the ceiling caps out lower than some other classes

[loud girder]

the rest should be brought down to zealot's level not the other way around

[zealous wing]

i hated zealot too. would you rather i never budge on any opinion?

[pale prairie]

Nope but I can still remark on someone one week threatening to block arbites and the next touting them as requiring the same level of skill as every other class

It’s less changing of opinion and more an extreme reversal

[zealous wing]

when did i threaten to block all arby

genuine question

i dont recall ever saying anything of the sort, only about smykers, as a half-joke

especially not within the last few weeks

if you have a screenshot, or clip, etc, I'll eat that, i do have memory issues, but i'm not just gonna sit here and take your word for it that i said it.

[plucky flax]

Sry was me

I blocked all arbies.

[marble crater]

Toxic

[kind jay]

speaking of arbys, they got brisket nuggets now and they're good af

[royal totem]

Really?

[kind jay]

yeah it's just a big cup of brisket chunks

[royal totem]

Damn 😮

Fried i assume

[tulip kettle]

holy shit that sounds amazing

[kind jay]

not fried

[royal totem]

Okay if its not fried im interested

[royal totem]

fried brisket would probably be a blemish on humanity

[kind jay]

I'd probably still eat it cause I'm a fatass

[pure scaffold]

What’s the difference between the deimos and obscurus force swords?

[royal totem]

well the thing about brisket is it's a tough cut of meat so slow cooked and tenderized is amazing compared to fried

but yea

[pallid stump]

did...smite get buffed?

like in bound by duty update or something

[long saddle]

technically

but psyker tree is just better so

everything got better

[thorn cedar]

yes

Lightning Storm got baked into it

that's it

[prime elk]

obscurus is more multipurpose

has a bit better horde clear

very high single target dps

deimos is more single target focused

has a bit higher single target dps than obscurus

but has a very strong stagger in the single target combo that knocks crushers on their ass

[real warren]

Hmmm

I think they could give the psyker a bit more insanity

Well

Or less sanity

Feels too sane still

[pallid stump]

there's a dude in my game that swears that smite is good now

(its heresy

[prime elk]

smite's always been good

[pallid stump]

he's delusional probably

[prime elk]

just unethical lol

[real warren]

So the perfect psyker player?

[plucky flax]

Use smite whole game

[tulip kettle]

the fate of all smykers.

[pallid stump]

he was being "smart"

using it to stop big enemies and then using forcesword charged heavy

[royal totem]

That sounds fine honestly

[prime elk]

holy fuck my sides

this is peak cinema right here

[pallid stump]

YEEEEEEEEEEES

[prime elk]

i suspect you could get banned for this sort of behavior

[pallid stump]

I HEARD THE "WHO DO YOU FIGHT FOR" INTERACTION AGAIN

[prime elk]

F in chat if that happens

[pallid stump]

holy shit psyker free cape? (its shit compared to my scryer krieg fit

thief character anyone else?

[strong gulch]

I'm crying.

[tulip kettle]

i asked them nicely to stop first 🙂

[strong gulch]

So toxic but so earned. lmao

then deserved

[pallid stump]

lmao

[fluid aspen]

I forgot how satisfying it is to to play Scrier Melee Psyker. Cleaving through anything that moves

I need to drop the talent that kills my passive quelling though

[marble crater]

blocking Dom

[prime elk]

They worked their hardest for it 🫡

[fluid aspen]

Does this mean Killing an enemy by using Soulblaze, or Killing an enemy that has at least one stack of Soulblaze on it?

[marble crater]

Second one

[fluid aspen]

I guess it wouldn't proc on allies killing those enemies though

[tulip kettle]

you would be correct

[fluid aspen]

Probably worth taking the 4% of any kill within Coherency over this then, even on a Soulblaze build

[marble crater]

No

[nocturne dust]

Bruh

Play a private match if you want to police how others play

[marble crater]

It also works if your team kills the target affected by soulblaze and I don't think it even has to be your own soulblaze and it has no range limit

[fluid aspen]

Neat

With the new tree I can finally take all the soulblaze talents and Assail instead of Brain Rupture

So I can screm moar instead of being forced to take EP because BB fucking sucks without it

https://tenor.com/view/gritito-gif-17274376822241272426

[prime elk]

lol i mean the smyker was being a selfish cunt

https://tenor.com/view/find-out-gif-27502543

if you choose to be a seflish dickwad when you play, expect consequences 🤷‍♀️

[fluid aspen]

petty af

[prime elk]

i don't think so, i think it's fucking hilarious

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, by...
checks notes
playing the game

[prime elk]

there are many ways you can be a selfish cunt by "playing the game"

[nocturne dust]

Sure, like taking all the ammo

[prime elk]

i can take every piece of ammo on the map because i spray into hordes and run out of ammo

i'm just playing the game

but i'm also being a selfish cunt

[nocturne dust]

I ain't going to nuke you if you do so tho, I'm just going to move on after a block

[fluid aspen]

"oh no, this player is using an ability i dont like, i better go and kill him intentionally"

You're more of a twat than that smyker

[prime elk]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-gif-26024087

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, smite isn't even a tenth as bad as something like eating all the medicae or ammo

[prime elk]

oh idk

i'd prob put it around 80%

[nocturne dust]

Oh no, the enemies in a single direction are stunlocked

the horror

[prime elk]

people that queue up for high difficulty matches tend to want to play the game

[nocturne dust]

[prime elk]

not have the game turned off by one guy pressing two buttons

[nocturne dust]

It's not even turned off

[prime elk]

yeah, it's just nothing can attack or move

right, not turned off

[nocturne dust]

You still have to do a lot of stuff, and if you really hate it you can leave

[prime elk]

maybe they should leave

[fluid aspen]

What a weird hill to die on

[nocturne dust]

in one direction a short distance

[prime elk]

instead of turning off the game for three other people

[nocturne dust]

You could argue this about every meta build

[prime elk]

alright whatever man

not going to waste my time arguing with smykers

it's your right to be a seflish cunt

[nocturne dust]

I don't use smite, but I would just for you ❤️

[prime elk]

but if you get barreled off a cliff

don't come crying

[prime elk]

x to doubt

[nocturne dust]

lmao

Phrasing smite as selfish

What's next

All staffkers are selfish because they don't have to play the ammunition game?

[prime elk]

this is pretty weak even for a strawman ngl

[nocturne dust]

Bubblers are selfish because they don't have to deal with snipers

[nocturne dust]

It's not a strawman, it's a direct example of your insanity

[prime elk]

and i appreciate you justifying my position

smykers don't even realize

what they're doing is selfish

so thank you for showing exactly what the issue is

"i'm just playing the game bro"

"you can just leave if you don't like it bro"

[weary idol]

how is smyker selfish

[fluid aspen]

You better be yeeting bursters into chorus zealots too then, how dare they stun an area of enemies

[tulip kettle]

idk dude the guy is TL 900 smiting the whole game and refusing to use his weapons vs even single poxwalkers. I asked "please would you use your weapons instead of smiting literally the whole game"

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, except I'm not a smyker and you know that cuz we've played together but please, keep pretending I have a leg in the race just to win the argument

[prime elk]

i don't see people white knight this hard for smykers, unless they're a smyker themselves. so def a guilty until proven innocent situation

[fluid aspen]

Or charge ogryns, can't have that line of poxwalkers be pushed on the ground. Don't forget the stun grandes either

[tulip kettle]

man using cc is not the same as only using smite vs everything the entire game

[prime elk]

mfers rotating through every ability to come up with the weakest possible strawmans

[nocturne dust]

If I got angry at every player playing suboptimally, I'd have to barrel the entire Discord server including myself

[prime elk]

when are we going reach voc?

[tulip kettle]

its not about suboptimal

its about wanting to play the game

[prime elk]

next you'll be telling me voc is also selfish

[fluid aspen]

Smoke vets blocking entire groups of ranged units

[nocturne dust]

Bruh, confirmation biasing so hard right now

[prime elk]

don't bother, too much for these smykers to understand

[long saddle]

clear smoke mod

[nocturne dust]

According to your logic, it is

[fluid aspen]

Doesn't matter, rangeds can't shoot him so he is going to push a poxpurster into the vet

[nocturne dust]

Smh my head, shouting so people don't have to deal with overheads is so selfish

🙄

[tulip kettle]

i mean, lets be real

[prime elk]

i'm sorry your smyker brain can't comprehend anything other than the most black and white viewpoints

[tulip kettle]

if he wasnt smykering that would just never happen. Im pushing the thing slowly towards him for a minute. He could just pull out a weapon and kill it, you know?

[nocturne dust]

I'm sorry you can't conceive of someone disagreeing with you unless they're a smyker

[nocturne dust]

I'm pretty sure they wouldn't either way cuz you were next to the thing

[prime elk]

what you think i go around calling everyone a smyker? no, only people like you get that honor

[nocturne dust]

Like, they literally were zapping it and then turned away, almost as if they saw you and weren't trying to grief a team member

[fluid aspen]

Fucking self-reporting being a colossal cunt and then talking shit at people calling him out

[tulip kettle]

is what it is, its not that deep. its not like its ranked or something

[nocturne dust]

Just everyone that disagrees with you

[thorn cedar]

ive written two guides on smyking and smykers suck

[prime elk]

nah, just you

[nocturne dust]

True. I'm not saying smykers don't suck, to be clear. I just don't care enough to actively grief my team.

[prime elk]

oh now you change your tune

lmfao

[nocturne dust]

I was agreeing with the guy above you, to be clear

[prime elk]

and to be frank, i've never barreled or burstered a smyker

literally 1000+ hours in the game

but if one goes down, i just shrug and move on

[nocturne dust]

You called the other guy disagreeing a smyker, buddy

[prime elk]

oh ok, you can add him to the list then

that's fair

[pallid stump]

hey lads, is there any good build that uses the knife?

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, so everyone that disagrees with you

[pallid stump]

actually...scrier crit melee, yeah

[prime elk]

lol there would be world peace if i only ever disagreed the two with you on this server

[nocturne dust]

Fine, I'll specify since you can't assume basic information 🙄 Everyone that disagrees with you in this conversation about smykers you are accusing of being smykers

There, happy?

[prime elk]

so just the two of you

[nocturne dust]

I mean, it'd just be normal knife

[prime elk]

what a really long and roundabout and inaccurate way of putting it lol

[pallid stump]

yeah, but on psyker

[thorn cedar]

ye just scriers dd crit

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, cuz the convo has 4 people (plus a few audience members )

[fluid aspen]

Trying so hard to be right, even if it's about something so little

Mad at getting his words twisted when he's saying people are using the build he's mad about

[nocturne dust]

We're both trying to phrase it in ways beneficial to our argument, but it is undeniable that you have accused everyone disagreeing with you, of which you did not specify a number and merely mentioned everyone disagreeing with you, was a smyker.

[prime elk]

yeh, which is the two of you. i don't get why you're getting so worked up over this lol

[nocturne dust]

'my opponent is continuing the argument so I'll get him with the tried and true deflection of "Aha, you care about the discussion we're having!"'

10/10, no notes.

[fluid aspen]

I don't think it matters either way, pushing bursters into and downing teammates because they use a skill you don't like will always end up in you being the dick, not them. Going through the effort of griefing them instead of just finding another game or "putting up with it" (as if it's such a big problem at all)

[nocturne dust]

I just don't think actively griefing your team is acceptable. Should absolutely be a bannable offense.

[prime elk]

agreed

like perma smiting all game

[nocturne dust]

And no, smiting is not griefing.

[prime elk]

i actually never run deflector

[fluid aspen]

[viscid matrix]

You are equating griefing with someone who isn’t good at the game….

[nocturne dust]

I thought you did for Havoc

[prime elk]

could be both

[prime elk]

you should've been around long enough to realize that i do not play havocs

[fluid aspen]

Aren't you 40 havoc in that clip?

[nocturne dust]

I mean, I get people confused on here

[prime elk]

which clip?

[viscid matrix]

You believe it’s malice
When it’s more than likely low skill

[nocturne dust]

You're all the amorphous Discord hivemind to me ❤️

[fluid aspen]

nvm

[prime elk]

ainz carried me through one h40, wouldn't call that playing havoc though

[fluid aspen]

On me, wasn't you who posted the clip

Oh well

[prime elk]

yeah like i said, i've never burstered or barreled a smyker

at least not on purpose

if it ever happened, it was truly an accident

[fluid aspen]

I mean...

[prime elk]

i'm not like ainz

[nocturne dust]

I don't have the opportunity to barrel allies on purpose because as a staffker with zero aim all barrels explode violently within a 10 mile radius of me on accident

[ripe obsidian]

What kinda build do you want?

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I'll make a Mechanicus bonanza if that's the new class

[marble crater]

[ripe obsidian]

I will be king of the Psykers and the robots

[nocturne dust]

Dude, we getting a new class already is insane

I bet new weapons will mainly be in DLC packs 😔

[fluid aspen]

Still waiting for a single new staff

[strong gulch]

I'd like 3 builds with a dog, no dog, and "tanky" (not castigators) without sacrificing a ton of damage.

or just dog and no dog

[nocturne dust]

They'll release a 2nd psyker as class DLC that uses books to cast before releasing more staves

[prime elk]

dog

2 points to spare

[nocturne dust]

Honestly I prefer no dog build with dog

[fluid aspen]

I wouldn't mind new trees for the existing classes tbh
With new blitzes, passives, abilities, grenades, whatever

[nocturne dust]

Sounds too unique

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-seabear-sea-bear-point-anger-gif-8799526520279082966

[nocturne dust]

New tree, but the same abilities shuffled up a bit. A panic aoe, a charge, and damage.

[fluid aspen]

True we do have a lot of overlap on grenades and some abilities already on Vet and Zealot

I'm sure they could do a lot with Psyker though.
That being said, I know fuck all about Warhammer so idk

[nocturne dust]

Ogryn, Arbie and Zealot have charges; Zealot, Vet, Ogryn, Arbie, and Psyker all have panic AoEs (always a shout of some sort, lol); Arbie, Vet, Zealot, Ogryn, and Psyker all have damage abilities

[long wharf]

so, then, a class without damage abilities

[fluid aspen]

I'd say more like Steroids than straight up damage abilities but yeah

[long wharf]

that'd be unique

[nocturne dust]

To be fair, the most unique ability is Castigator's Stance, and I hate it

[long wharf]

like a Servitor

[nocturne dust]

Inverse Charge mfer

[nocturne dust]

If they make a combat servitor it absolutely is going to have some sort of damage ability

[long wharf]

Casturbator's Stance is all about standing against the horde and brute forcing your way through a doorway

[nocturne dust]

Wrist-mounted rockets or something 😉

[fluid aspen]

Psyker nades are by far the most unique stuff in the game in that regard. All three of them do something very different from other classes and each other

[nocturne dust]

Yep

Just wish Brainburst was worth actually using

[fluid aspen]

Yes

If you don't want bursters pushed onto you, then Assail is the only real choice sadly

[long wharf]

assail is best for taking credit for bursting poxbursters and detonating them on teammates

fight me.

[nocturne dust]

wat

[jovial juniper]

Yeah

[fluid aspen]

BB takes ages even with EP and doesn't do enough and Smite is okay especially if your team isn't that great but some people are pissy about it

[jovial juniper]

Like a dedicated support

[nocturne dust]

Assail will ping against a door and hit the burster from behind, wtf you mean 'no bursters pushed towards you'

[fluid aspen]

True

[long wharf]

assail is almost as bad as the arbys dog for knocking bursters into teammates

doggo teamkill #1

[fluid aspen]

I don't even remember if I got my arby to 30

Didn't feel like a challenge at all so games started to get a little boring

[long wharf]

then play on higher difficulties

Arbys is fun

especially with the dog

[fluid aspen]

I'll just stick to my Psyker I think. It's just the right amount of stuff you have to do for me

I've been playing a bunch of other games recently and using E to interact, so I'm just triggering Scrier's every time I look at a box

So then

[long wharf]

genuinely missing out on a good time

[fluid aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/killing-again-krombopulos-michael-rick-gif-13172744

[long wharf]

Arbys plays different from the other classes when you use the dog

but to each their own

[thorn cedar]

the amount of fucken times i hit F and swing a sledgehammer at a landmine instead of pressing E to disarm it in Battlefield is TOO DAMN MANY TIMES

[long wharf]

I much prefer "interact" on F

[thorn cedar]

im in too deep now

[long wharf]

to the point now where I switch it in games that don't default to that

[strong gulch]

same

[fluid aspen]

Yeah I've been playing BF6 and Borderlands, I usually have interact on F as well, but not in those two

[thorn cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/banned-hammer-smash-explode-hit-gif-17254200

me at least once a game

[long wharf]

I knew that image was coming

[fluid aspen]

I don't think I've ever even bothered with disarming them, just shoot

[thorn cedar]

its all i ever think about

yea engineer can disarm directly

[long wharf]

you really get into the Festival of Hammers, huh?

[thorn cedar]

saves you ammo, doesnt mark you on the map

[fluid aspen]

Oh, that's why then

[thorn cedar]

lmao

yea

what site is that

[fluid aspen]

tracker.gg

[thorn cedar]

oh yea i still have my bookmark from BF1

i love engineer

your lack of variety tho

commendable if not concerning

probably a loooot of people are like that tho if i had to guess since support is so universally strong

[fluid aspen]

I made up that I'm only gonna play Support and other than a few "pressed E or Q on the spawn screen by accident" spawns, I've been sticking to it

I don't even know why, I used to main supp in all the previous games but still.
There will come a time I'm so pissed off with vehicles I'll play some engi

[thorn cedar]

support is fun

i like that we can ditch the defibs now

[fluid aspen]

If only the supply packs worked properly...

[thorn cedar]

so i can rock wall + grenade eater

yea the supply pack issue is strange, its geometry related

it will be stuck to an object and not considered 'dropped' yet

[fluid aspen]

Yeah if you deploy it on certain spots (90% of the map) it just stops working after 2 seconds

[thorn cedar]

so if you hammer around it itll work

[fluid aspen]

Yeah. Apparently they are fixing it with S1 tho

[thorn cedar]

yea

probably it will just always be an active prop

no reason to have it not work in midair

[fluid aspen]

It does work in midair too, if you throw it you get points before it lands. It just has an airborne timeout I guess

[thorn cedar]

oh yea it does

[fluid aspen]

I do miss the circles from the beta though, wish I could turn those back on

[thorn cedar]

i only needed them for like an hour

[fluid aspen]

I still confuse them and just dropped kits sometimes, like 75 hours in

[thorn cedar]

ah nice the site got updated

really all i want to see is accuracy and headshot %

[fluid aspen]

I played nothing but LMGs so far so...

[hearty wolf]

It's broken to be honest

[fluid aspen]

It probably lost C4 because it would be even more busted, but I'd rather lose the Medic bits for some anti-vehicle like back in BF4

[hearty wolf]

I'd say Assault is actually better but you need to use your equipment in such a disproportionately high skill way that Support is just braindead

[hearty wolf]

Sledgehammer

[fluid aspen]

Doesn't really do much against tanks

[hearty wolf]

just bonk more

Still anti vehicle!

I think if they would do that, they need to sort out the weird RPG collision and all the problems with air vehicles right now

Like IFV lock on missles

[fluid aspen]

I do run sledge because I can use the defibs to run fast
The amount of walls you can't destroy is infuriating

[hearty wolf]

Or RPG at an angle so it gets the top and side damage bonus so it one shots heavy tanks etc

or air-to-air jet missles

I appreciate not the entire map turns to rubble because some maps are just kind of dogshit with too much destruction - not in bf6 but previous iteratins

think the bf6 map pool is pretty decent for what we got

the s1 maps seem pretty alright too

[fluid aspen]

Every single window in the game is just a facade that can be taken down and it pisses me off to no end. Can't have any rooms or spots where you aren't exposed to 360 angles you can get shot from

[hearty wolf]

Oh right, those windows 100% agree

But at the end of the day, it's certainly a Battlefield game

[fluid aspen]

Best one we got in the last 10 or so years, at least for me. Never cared about the historical stuff

BF1 had good atmosphere but the setting absolutely killed it for me

[hearty wolf]

I still think it could use some tweaks but for sure

I don't feel like I'm pulled to it though

Idk if it's because I'm older or what

I think it might have been the challenges

the 300 suppression assist challenge

[fluid aspen]

Oh don't get me started

I got all the Support ones done

[hearty wolf]

Having to purposely miss targets to get it like - I did 10 games where I was just having fun and I was like "I wonder how close I am to that challenge"

0/300

[long wharf]

I loved BF2142

[fluid aspen]

WP launcher only counting the 12 damage direct impact 2000 damage for the challenge btw

[long wharf]

haven't played any BF before nor since

[fluid aspen]

I didn't mind the suppression challenge that much once I learned how it gets triggered. There's a minimum range for it so I just sat back on Breakthrough and sprayed common cover spots

And then promptly got sniped because snipers are literal point-and-click adventure with the rangefinder

[hearty wolf]

Interesting

[fluid aspen]

75 revives in a single game was also pretty annoying, had to get lucky with a Breakthrough round going on long enough to get it

[hearty wolf]

I hate BF2142 but I can see it's appeal after launch and a shit ton of support

[long wharf]

it was novel

a mobile base with turrets?

mechs?

it was decent from the get-go

in spite of its issues

I mained engineer, and flew the "helicopter" as much as I could

[fluid aspen]

I never got to play 2142 in it's days, by the time I got to it it was pretty much dead

I started with BFBC2 and played pretty much everything since then

[thorn cedar]

do agree but also Empire State is perhaps the worst battlefield map of all time

[hearty wolf]

Oh hey, I started with BFBC2

[fluid aspen]

It's not even the worst in BF6
New Sobek City can fuck right off

[thorn cedar]

nah Sobek has flow and the sniper rooftops will be fixed

[hearty wolf]

The maps also massive variance on game modes

[thorn cedar]

Empire is fucken irredeemable

[hearty wolf]

Some of the shit they choose for escalation or squad deathmatch etc.

idek

[fluid aspen]

Is Empire the smaller NYC one that was in the beta? Because that one is a pile of garbage as well yeah

[hearty wolf]

For fuck sake

[thorn cedar]

yes

[hearty wolf]

Why did you manifest this

[thorn cedar]

LOL

eat sht mfer

[fluid aspen]

The other NYC one is alright, not a fan but playable

[thorn cedar]

Manhattan Bridge is pretty close to the top for me

Cairo is my actual #1

[fluid aspen]

I can't even say a map I actually like, I just have ones I hate less

[thorn cedar]

Cairo, ManBridge, and Mirak

in that order

The only thing I hate about Mirak is that players dont realize that C point wins the game

[fluid aspen]

The long open streets on Cairo with no real flanking options
The weird verticality of Manhattan
Mirak is okay in the center and meh in the rest. I don't play Engi so the far-out point is just off-limits for me

[thorn cedar]

you gotta go to C man, its THE point lmao

[fluid aspen]

Yeah, the point for 4 tanks

[thorn cedar]

whoever caps it gets an extra tank, AA, and attack helo

thats just a free win

but i do agree that B and D in the buildings is fun

[fluid aspen]

Firestorm isn't even that fun because the guns just don't work with it, and snipers are way too strong there

[thorn cedar]

i do such dirty work as recon in those towers

Firestorm has always been exceedingly mid and i dont get why they keep bringing it back when so many better maps exist

[fluid aspen]

Oh and the on Firestorm, so fucking bright

But the whole "looking outside from inside" being massively blown out bright is an issue on every map

[thorn cedar]

idk what u mean because 90% of my firestorm experience is staring at the ass end of a friendly tank and torching it

[fluid aspen]

Fair

Alright it's getting late, I'm off, was a nice chat

[thorn cedar]

buyheee

[modest merlin]

Thoughts on disrupt destiny?

[royal totem]

really good for gunker

[thorn cedar]

its really just the best for any non-staff psyker build

even some of the staffs do better with DD

[royal totem]

i think there's an EK build that use it

[ripe obsidian]

Okay, I will do this. Hold on.

[strong gulch]

If you want to share, feel free.

Dead because a dog jumped on me while a DH got me.

[modest merlin]

Really? Why do you like it? I’m under the impression its crap, the worst keystone, almost useless

[ripe obsidian]

Tanky with doggo. Can drop the bleed node and get a doggo targeting node instead if you prefer. Might actually be a good idea with the bleed nerfs.

Less tanky, more damage doggo build

[modest merlin]

The stacks dont last nearly long enough to justify the talent points?

[ripe obsidian]

that's... not true at all.

[thorn cedar]

i mean

[ripe obsidian]

It's pretty easy to keep 15 or even 25 stacks the entire game.

[thorn cedar]

its very true with just the keystone node and nothing else

[modest merlin]

When a stack lasts for 5s???

[thorn cedar]

yea

which is what i assumed

you want DD + the right node, Lingering Influence

or you can go left side for higher stacks with Cruel Fortune

3 stacks per headshot kill makes them add up very fast

[ripe obsidian]

And @strong gulch final build, no doggo w/ shock mines.

[thorn cedar]

Lingering Influence grants each stack a 10s duration so they are very easy to maintain

but if you were to take neither of those side paths then yes DD is pretty stinky

mathematically though its strictly the best

[modest merlin]

Hmmmm, is the point then to try and get the kill on thr marked enemy asap and just focus on that?

[strong gulch]

Thanks @ripe obsidian

[thorn cedar]

yea i just chase down blubois to the detriment of my entire team, if destiny demand sit

rocked by eight crushers? sorry, that dreg shooter in the other room is blue, i gotta go aggro all those gunners surrounding him now

[modest merlin]

Man how do you do that when you’re being swarmed by hordes in auric

[thorn cedar]

uhhhhhhhh

autism, i guess

4,300hrs also doesnt hurt

[modest merlin]

Ill give the keystone another try i guess

[thorn cedar]

but im probably repeating myself

but yea do it with lingering influence

[strong gulch]

neurodivergence and DD

[modest merlin]

Okay

[strong gulch]

it either works or it really fecking doesn't

[thorn cedar]

im always lost and confused when i dont have DD running

who am i supposed to target?? what do i do?? beloved help me!!

[strong gulch]

REEEEEEE shiny stack man!!

[restive stag]

my perosnal method is assail

gives me yummy malefic momentum AND yummy dd stacks

[ripe obsidian]

Oh, @strong gulch , you can also swap out the +damage and +stagger node on first enemy hit for True Grit. Will let you survive crusher overheads

[restive stag]

allows me to maintain perfectionist pretty easily even w/o a weapon that specializes in weakspot kills

[royal totem]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0339823-a04d-45bc-9bad-eaefcb0ca5f1/doggy-4?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button have my bad arb build lmao

[thorn cedar]

this is how i do dogman

[royal totem]

i take true grit cuz bad at game

need clutch ability to save me

[prime elk]

ewwww block talents

[pallid stump]

i am fighting the need to smyker so much rn

why isnt smyte just a better shock mine

just a tool to stun enemies while you can do shit

[jovial juniper]

I mean

Smite technically is a better shock mine

Better damage

Better range

Better availability

[royal totem]

^^^

[pallid stump]

but you becomethe shocktrap yourself

[jovial juniper]

Good

Which means you're mobile shock mine

[restive stag]

smite empowered psionics build incoming

[pallid stump]

imean... iam powering up arby's that is true

[candid temple]

it is, that's the problem

[pallid stump]

why dont they make smite actually useful then

[candid temple]

smyte just chokes the challenge out of the game

[restive stag]

its more of a tradeoff i feel

[candid temple]

uhhh

smyte is op as shit, wdym?

it's just extremly oppressive to play with for other players

zero/10 fun for most people

[restive stag]

might make a smite build honestly

[candid temple]

with shock mine, you can't spam it spam it

[restive stag]

only to use it 0.5% of the time

[candid temple]

but you can cc almost anything 25% of a minute

[pallid stump]

like...idk you pop smite and it stuns them but you dont actually hold it?

[hazy birch]

am i understanding this right? by attacking anything i just get 2.5% instant toughness?

[restive stag]

but you can also act while it's down and it lingers for a long time

[pallid stump]

or it acts like a proper blitz but is on cooldown?

idk

[restive stag]

so
tradeoff

[pallid stump]

dont people say smite is the weakest shit ever?

[candid temple]

not anymore

[pallid stump]

i try to not always spam it

[candid temple]

that would be cool, blasting a wave of palpatine thunder and cc'ing shit

[pallid stump]

like ...idk brain pop

[restive stag]

i dont think its particularly insane nor particularly terrible, how it functions depends on the user really

[pallid stump]

you charge it, let out a burst and then you/your team can go at it

[restive stag]

either it can hinder your team's efficiency wildly with misuse and mindless spam, or it can be an extremely useful boon that's always available

[pallid stump]

people here just say something along the lines of

NEVER FUCKING USE IT

[restive stag]

yeah thats because

most people that you find using it fall into the

[pallid stump]

then please explain to me

[restive stag]

hinder your team's efficiency wildly with misuse and mindless spam camp

[pallid stump]

how do i properly use smite

i want to know

i love that blitz

its fun

but not just holding it down

[restive stag]

it's really difficult to proprly puut into words but i feel you get a sense as you use it more

[wraith sphinx]

Omagad just use it for a few seconds a time it's not hard

[restive stag]

think situations where you want trappers or high priority targets dead more easily

[wraith sphinx]

And look behind you

[restive stag]

basically yeah

[pallid stump]

i do that

[restive stag]

but you also have ot kinda trust your team

[pallid stump]

people still tell me not to use it

[restive stag]

i use it like

i have a pocket stun tool as an oh shit button

if i'm on smite it's like

im using it in that way

it's to reign in bad situations and let my team readjust

like a pause button for everyone that isn't you

if that makes sense

[pallid stump]

it does

i try to do that

[restive stag]

applying it isn't really something I can feel you can teach

[pallid stump]

i think

[restive stag]

that's good

there are people who will admittedly be stingy nad just go

"smite bad" the second they see smite unfortunately

even if you're using it in a very impactful way

[wraith sphinx]

Who cares

[restive stag]

i agree!

[wraith sphinx]

Just smite, end of story

I don't like the blitz personally because it's not a viable anti ranged solution

But otherwise it's fine

[ripe obsidian]

I am behind you. >:)

[royal totem]

Escape from Six

[jovial juniper]

Hold it

With Empowerer Psyonics you'll just kill everything

Make sure it's against large numbers of enemies

To get maximum value

[sleek lynx]

Is there a force greatsword mark that’s better?

And is it worth using a staff with it if I’m mostly speccing into melee? Been using bolt pistol

[pallid stump]

that is abosolutely what i do not want to fucking do

[kind jay]

ok but if they turn around are you still Six or are you now Twelve?

[pallid stump]

i know you're being sarcastic but dear lord this joke is more past its expiration date than the milk i have for 1 years in the back of my fridge

[kind jay]

[pallid stump]

i am going to honestly fucking crashout over a stupid in game decision

just because i want to have fun with it

[royal totem]

try not having milk 1 year past its expiration date in your fridge :3

it's not very sanitary 🙁

[pallid stump]

tell em to stop making these types of jokes and ill toss it out

[royal totem]

if you want to know how to use it "properly" if you look left or right or such or just release it it tosses things to the floor as long as it's not cancelled by reaching 100% peril. something like that. takes longer to stun things with more hit mass i believe. so just hold it till a pack is stunned and toss them to the ground. and obviously don't always use it and such. i guess that's as much as i can say and i'm not 100% sure everything i said is 100% accurate.

as for jokes........tragically they won't stop

[pallid stump]

i know man

i try to use it as an "hold up" tool

i see too many enemies? pop it for a bit to stun em and then go to town

[jovial juniper]

I'm not joking

Empowered Psyonics
Hold it
Kill everything short of carapace

But it seems like you want to go electric primer way

Gimme a sec

[pallid stump]

piss

t'was just a link to another mesage

idk how to do it

[royal totem]

(i don't like Hadron btw)

[pallid stump]

here

read

please

[sleek lynx]

Does greatsword mark even matter? Neither do a lot of damage to crushers

[pallid stump]

appreantly the top one's heavy very good against them

[jovial juniper]

https://youtu.be/OT1xC1bzDJs?si=lvCOgzmit0ASPG1h

The electric primer way

[jovial juniper]

Use your stabs

[pallid stump]

im gonna pull a loner psyker now

"so you can read? good good"

[sleek lynx]

The mark I’ve been using only has a stab with the push attack

Does the other one have a different stab?

[kind jay]

mk6 has a stab on heavy chains, mk8 has the push attack

[sleek lynx]

Is mk6 better? I’ve been using the 8 which is just what my sword came with

[jovial juniper]

They are pretty similar

[kind jay]

yeah the biggest diff will be the lights (8 is more horizontal)

[sleek lynx]

Which one has a better ttk against carapace? That’s pretty much the only thing I can’t kill very fast in melee

[jovial juniper]

Both are able to 1 shot

[sleek lynx]

It’s worth noting my class is not maxed so that is most likely not possible for me

[modest merlin]

Thoughts on empathic evasion?

[jovial juniper]

Core talent

[restive stag]

setup dependent but really good at it's best

[patent jacinth]

Ranged immunity with a weird description

[modest merlin]

I’m running a max crit build and while fighting I stack up to 60% crit chance in chains. Never tried empathic evasion but considering trying it, wanted to see others opinions on it

[pallid stump]

i like it a lot myself

[pallid stump]

finally, thank you, this is exactly what i wanted to see

[restive stag]

if i have spare point for it and my weapon(s) of choice include something that hits pretty fast i'll almost alwys take it

[pallid stump]

i wonder how long i gotta hold and release lmb to stun a mauler out of their slam

pretty long it seems

[jovial juniper]

Make sure you have Enfeeble

It helps more than the tooltip says

[pallid stump]

alright thanks

[rancid jasper]

How do you use the smite at the same time as swapping to it like that? I assume it's a mod but what exactly?

Or are to just quick on the draw

[pallid stump]

thanks and sorry if i did sound rude, i was just really sick of these types of things when i just want to try to use smite

[jovial juniper]

It's probably M1

[rancid jasper]

How so

[jovial juniper]

Just press m1

Oh Enfeeble?

[rancid jasper]

Yea

Does it apply multiple times if something has multiple damage types or something

[brittle berry]

Lets play psyker!
The humble matchmaking:

[jovial juniper]

Smite efficiency is based on enemy mass
Enfeeble makes it more lenient

[rancid jasper]

Ohh

So enfeeble applies to smite itself?

[jovial juniper]

Yeah makes your ticks faster

Here's a visual representation

[modest merlin]

So you get the stun off faster bc more ticks?

[jovial juniper]

Yup

[ripe obsidian]

+1 DM inspiration for the joke

[wind spruce]

New class idea: Another Psyker

[lone ravine]

nah new class will be a blank

immediately remove all powers from the psyker

Give them massive headache

[wind spruce]

Nooooooooooo my powers 🙁

[lone ravine]

don’t worry it’ll be worth it for the enemy psyker to be dropped!!!

[wind spruce]

Jokes on you, I already have a headache

[lone ravine]

it’ll be 🤯 levels of headache

[jovial juniper]

That's what I'm saying

The renegade_psyker on the code is a new class

Rather than scab psyker

[pallid stump]

Ok so lads

What curious should I use with this class

Toughnessx2 HP?
Toughness HP stam?

[austere warren]

I just go with toughness x2, max stamina x1 or x3 toughness. I don't really think enough about psyker and hp values.

I'm sure other siblings have more learned thoughts on it.

I'm a wayward right tree psyker first and foremost.

So those curios work well for me.

[strong gulch]

Curios are choose your own adventure. Curios should meet you where you are. Preference and needs may change as your playstyle, skill, etc change.

What do you in particular need or want right now?? Pick that.

For non-havocs the general rec is x1 sniper and 201 HP. How you get there is up to you. This hits a breakpoint that lets you eat a sniper and tank multiple bursters.

If you are not interested in that or don't want to build for a rare occurrence, then do whatever.

Things of note. Revive speed affects more situations now, and you can get +3 stam (on the wat to WG and WG itself). Stam is nice for if you're doing a lot of PAs or parries.

[pallid stump]

i want to not die

so...thoughness, thoughness max hp

with at least 2 gunner resistance

maybe a wound one

sick of going down once or being fucked by a single grimoire

[strong gulch]

wound is ok while leveling / learning, but health stimms and corruption dispelling talents from other classes become less impactful.

so avoid wounds

Curios are otherwise not as impactful as you'd hope they are.

More health and toughness do help.

Blocking more, better positioning, and having enough toughness gen does so much more.

[pallid stump]

gotcha

[strong gulch]

Know that if there isn't an enemy in melee range for a couple sections, then one is gonna be on your heels SOON.

Enemies are always trying to surround you.

[royal totem]

ok i have a new favorite thing to play lmao

[kind jay]

i love 3x revive. def has saved many runs for me

[royal totem]

my curios are all over the place on this chara

[sleek lynx]

How important is warp unbound? Is it necessary for a melee build?

[strong gulch]

WU is only needed if you plan to dump assails or cast with staff.

[sleek lynx]

Ah so if I’m spending 99% of the time with my greatsword out it doesn’t do much. Thanks

This class is kinda just better zealot huh lol

[thorny trail]

Does killing something with charged strikes stack maelific momentum

[restive stag]

not necessarily no

[sleek lynx]

In terms of “kill a lot of things fast with big sword”

[pallid stump]

probably a bad skill

but i do like quietude

[restive stag]

psyker just doesn't excel as hard as that is the thing
it's by design

it can do it very, very well

just
not as well as the class that has that as it's identity

[strong gulch]

yes

[sleek lynx]

Well based on the zealot randoms I get this class at least has better survivability as they tend to die the most on every difficulty

[thorny trail]

Glorious, thank you. Just came back and have to redo/relearn the new trees.

[languid pine]

psyker can get one shot by a crusher overhead

[restive stag]

50/50, both have very low floors and very high ceilings so

[languid pine]

zealot cant and procs his until death

by that alone, zealot already has higher survivability

[restive stag]

both can survive a crusher overhead in aurics

given the right setup iirc

[languid pine]

zealot has the failsafe anyways

[restive stag]

it's just, i find zealot's alot easier to maintain and less effort

plus yeah it's alot safer

and more ocnsistent

[languid pine]

you can play him lobotomized and you'll still survive

[strong gulch]

Ye. Charged strikes previously didn't have damage ownership and wasn't classified as a damage type. So it being a warp attack is new this patch.

There's a bunch of builds and templates in the build bonanza pin.

[restive stag]

psyker can do it, just not as good which methinks is the design of the class 👍

[sleek lynx]

I mean that’s kinda just scriers too. Turn that on and spam lights

But uh

[restive stag]

well yea but if you dont dodgel ike, a crusher overhead
ker-splat

[sleek lynx]

Guess random zealots are worse than lobotomites lol

[restive stag]

can be

random psykers can also be awful tbf lol

[sleek lynx]

The higher you go in the difficulties the better psykers get

Zealots are not the same in my experience

99% of the time when I get a bad teammate it’s a zealot

[restive stag]

odd

for me it's an even split between all classes that aren't ogryns

but that's just because i see ogryn's alot less than the other classes

[thorny trail]

Can you still do the thing with the talents that made you tanky by turning dmg into peril? that's what i was trying last time

[royal totem]

i see lots of bad ogryns

[sleek lynx]

They’re always the ones to run 10 miles ahead of the team then die then leave

[restive stag]

i see alot of bad ones aswell i just also see them substantially lss than other classes is my point

[languid pine]

i dont think ive run into an ogryn ever in auric

eversince the update

tbh

its always either arb, zealot, psyker or vet

[restive stag]

i once queue'd with 3 ogryns

[sleek lynx]

I daresay ogryn is the hardest to play with randoms as he’s so big. If you don’t have a dedicated ranged enemy deleter he just gets melted and dies

[restive stag]

in an auric

[royal totem]

i run into plenty of vets

[strong gulch]

That's new this patch. Damage to peril. KD turned blocks into peril before.

[royal totem]

dunno. ogryn is pretty easy for me in damnation even if i don't trust my team

[sleek lynx]

In auric, playing ogryn with a bunch of randoms that are also using melee builds is pretty abysmal in my experience

No one ever pulls out a gun

[royal totem]

this is what my heavy stubber is for

look at me. i'm the sniper now

[languid pine]

i run into better vets in havoc though

usually better at least

[sleek lynx]

Yea most randoms don’t do that lol

You have to like pay zealot players to pull out their gun

[royal totem]

idk i pull out my gun plenty as zealot shrugs

[sleek lynx]

Well once again, you’re not the randoms I quick match into lol

[restive stag]

i find zealots pull out their gun when they need to
not really when their team wants them to

[sleek lynx]

I’ve watched zealots get downed by trying to sprint at gunners that were actively spraying them

[languid pine]

that just happens for all zealots ngl

[royal totem]

i mean.....what am i gonna do with a sword and flamer

wait for my team to shoot the gunners?

they aint gonna do that

[sleek lynx]

My point lol

[restive stag]

im actually in a zealot mood rn

[royal totem]

so i have to try to kill the gunners myself

[sleek lynx]

If it’s a consistent problem you should probably try a gun with range

[restive stag]

or fotf

or cover

[royal totem]

luckily i do have fotf

[restive stag]

it playstyle dependent

[languid pine]

everytme i play zealot i end up playing like i snorted ten lines of cocaine

literally cannot stop myself from zooming across the map

[sleek lynx]

The problem I have is when most randoms do that they die across the map and leave

[restive stag]

i think i might be missing something wiht cknife

really underwhelming despite how fun it is

[sleek lynx]

The damage isn’t impressive. It’s there for speed

I think it’s more fun than dueling sword but definitely also worse

[languid pine]

you use the cknife to roleplay as sonic

[kind jay]

i find that a lot of people tunnel really hard. like, they just wanna run into a room and bloodlust everything out of cover

and assume someone else will handle the ranged

[sleek lynx]

But 99% of randoms never use their ranged weapons lol

I’m one of the few that does. As a vet main I felt it was kind of my role so I have no qualms doing it on other classes

But it would be nice for others to do it too so I can try melee builds lol

I’m scared to level zealot with randoms

[pallid stump]

finally

[royal totem]

how are you using it with what blessings?

[pallid stump]

level 30 psyker

[royal totem]

and underwhelming in which way?

[languid pine]

i use a revolver on my zealot and i barely remember that i have it

[pallid stump]

i also dont vibe much with the knife, despite really liking it

i wanna learn how to do what i call as "knifespeed"

bassicly just going fast while heavy charging

[restive stag]

the usual, mk6 with uncanny riposte

just doesnt feel like it does much

[royal totem]

on zealot?

[restive stag]

i feel like im shooting myself in the foot

psyker

[pallid stump]

this do be the psyker chat

[sleek lynx]

You kinda have to find a chokepoint and spam light attacks on enemy heads

That works best in my experience

Against armor uh

Switch weapons

[royal totem]

i mean it's psyker chat but plenty of regulars play diff classes too

just pointing out

[sleek lynx]

I’m a proud veteran main

But moonlight greatsword kinda lit

[royal totem]

errrr it's ok against armor. like sure it doesn't do as well as DS but

it's pretty ok

[sleek lynx]

It is very not amazing vs crushers. Especially multiple crushers

[royal totem]

of course not.

[sleek lynx]

They’re the main armored enemy you have to kill lol

[royal totem]

but like against maulers it's ok against ragers. takes a bit to kill crushers but yeah. makes up for it by making you sprint faster when you're charging heavy attacks etc

[restive stag]

i mean my thing is

yeah it doesnt eally give you much despite how fun it is

not a great feeling

[sleek lynx]

That’s just it: it’s fun but not great

[ripe obsidian]

I see... an inferno psyker without mettle or wildfire, but with channeled force, empyric shock, and smite. >:(

[royal totem]

it's very mobile. gives you great dodges

and such

it's basically a mobility tool that can help you add some rending from blessings that's how i look at it

if you really have to deal with a big group of crushers.....honestly your team is generally gonna be better help i just lead crushers to team

Six or somebody better can give you better advice though cuz i'm bad

[restive stag]

yeah

[royal totem]

and as i've reiterated not to be trusted

[restive stag]

just been feelin very helpless on psyker lately

[royal totem]

but WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[austere warren]

Lmb tbh

[ripe obsidian]

to make me angry. >:(

[sleek lynx]

Moonlight greatsword+scrier’s is god mode

[austere warren]

You just toss it out to break up shooters to buy time on approach. Really effective and a core strength of the flamer.

[royal totem]

while i haven't taken it to havoc, my current approach hasn't gotten me in trouble

slide towards them then FotF the rest of the way

[royal totem]

what difficulty are you playing? i mean i feel like psyker is harder in pubs.

[austere warren]

Yeah, sliding and fotf never really a bad idea. Especially if you're confident in your timing.

I only really do it with flamer when I want to conserve my charge for something more important or to do breakneck repositioning.

[restive stag]

aurics ofc

[sleek lynx]

In auric psyker randoms tend to be pretty good. Most just run flame staff+scrier’s

[languid pine]

in what way

[restive stag]

eeehhhhhhhhhhh....

[royal totem]

if you're an inferno psyker or such, pubs generally don't give much of a shit for positioning so you're often just on your own in my experience. you wonder why one of your teammates is 30m behind beating up a group of 3 poxwalkers while another has run off somewhere. the 3rd is dogged or trappered because they're somewhere else

[restive stag]

i wouldnt really say that

it's strong yeah

[sleek lynx]

It’s the smoothest build for me personally

Toss 5 bees, turn on scrier’s, mash lights

[restive stag]

been having alot of fun with vraks cknife

[stuck spruce]

yes the best game you will have, complete chaos even your team is playing against you

[royal totem]

you mean......my teammates.....are..... gasp heretics?

[restive stag]

when im on inferno i dont really expect my team to baby me

and i play/build accordingly

(to the best of my extent ofc)

[stuck spruce]

everyone is heretic and nobody is, so everything is a threat, that the way you need to see it

[royal totem]

i think people being in position isn't really babying. if your frontliner is just in front doing their job, you're less likely to face a group of crushers. that's not babying. that's just doing their job. if they're behind the group chronically beating up a stray poxwalker, then you're more likely to get approached by the group of crushers.

but then again, i'm not sure i'd personally recommend cknife for gunker but i mean, you can. nobody's stopping you. and i may be wrong

[sleek lynx]

Well like 1% of randoms actually pay any degree of attention to positioning so building with that in mind is logical

[tidal seal]

Can't lie the only kind of positioning I know how to do is "Stay away from ledges when fighting bosses".

[sleek lynx]

Zealots do be zealoting (dying and leaving after trying and miserably failing to solo speedrun)

[sleek lynx]

With randoms that and “go behind wall when gunner” is the only positioning you really need

[languid pine]

positioning really does not matter on auric

on havoc it can really help

[restive stag]

i would havoc but i find havoc psyker to be miserable

[austere warren]

What kind of psyker do you usually like to even run i suppose? Psyker mostly just has to stay on task with themselves and they can usually just bust through things, suppress an area with their cc and aoe, pop heads to hell and back pretty solidly.

[languid pine]

havoc psyker is just boring

[tidal seal]

I wouldn't know, haven't gotten to Auric od Havoc yet (for my psyker, I managed with Zeaot a long while back, largely due to the help of other randoms)

[languid pine]

as with all backline tbh

[sleek lynx]

You don’t like sitting in a bubble holding fire staff for 30 minutes?

[languid pine]

at least you go in to melee sometimes for veteran

[restive stag]

quite often I run assail or kf
i don't really run smite like that so I don't have great cc more often than not

[restive stag]

I do not

I will say if I was running smite I don't think I would feel much different however

[languid pine]

your alternative is melee psyker but expect pubs to kick you before you actually play one

[austere warren]

Favored weapons and build concepts? I play the shit out of right tree psyker broadly so I really just exploit the movement speed boosts and constant high peril bonus dmg n shit.

The most you gotta do at that point is play clean and fast.

[tidal seal]

I play melee psyker. Hella fun. Gaze, disrupt destiny, combat blade. Assail helps with Malefic Momentum.

[austere warren]

Like efficient fast, not fast for fast sake.

[languid pine]

melee is the only thing that brings me enjoyment in this game

[restive stag]

I use alot of right tree psyker too, alot of staves and a big an of illisi and obscurus
have also been using cknife and vraks lately alot

[austere warren]

Mhm

[sleek lynx]

I play melee psyker too but they were talking about the havoc meta which is bubble+inferno staff

[restive stag]

I just don't personally feel like I really have that upfront 'punch' every other class has

[austere warren]

What would you say are some of the things you can honestly know that you struggle with the most? Like scenarios before you're low on hp, downed and/or awaiting rescue?

[tidal seal]

oh alr. Can't lie I had no idea that was the meta.

[restive stag]

crusher packs are not my friend, nor are rager packs

[austere warren]

Mhm

[sleek lynx]

Moonlight greatsword

[restive stag]

although I can deal with them it just feels like I struggle a lot compared to my peers

[restive stag]

it hasn't helped me out

nor do I really like using it

it just doesn't really mesh with how I play

[austere warren]

Do you like using the deimos?

[restive stag]

not particularly, but I don't dislike it

[sleek lynx]

Well have you tried the voidstrike cc spam?

[austere warren]

It's not too dissimilar in some ways like duelling sword for what it can do to their heads on that stabbing heavy. Usually a two shot in my experience.

[restive stag]

voidstrike yes, cc spam no

[sleek lynx]

It doesn’t kill crushers fast but it stunlocks them

[restive stag]

yeah it is nice, my issue is just how thin the hitboxes for it are

[sleek lynx]

Build into the alt fire

And fair

[restive stag]

voidstrke is on one of my major 3 builds yes

it is my favorite staff to use

[royal totem]

how do you play?

[austere warren]

I always fuck this up. Blast is the...aoe, strike is the tumor ball right?

[restive stag]

yes

[sleek lynx]

Strike is the pillar alt fire one. Blast I’ve never seen I’ve heard it’s pretty mid rn

[austere warren]

Can always try rocking a voidblast with whatever that one blessing is.