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#psyker-class
ripe obsidian
I can give you a shriek psyker scoreboard like that
something like 2.4m on me and 600k on everyone else
deft stump
I can give you a shriek psyker scoreboard like that
Thing is, Syllo was on Rend Trauma.
ripe obsidian
Syllogism is not human
royal totem
and damage only important stat :3
deft stump
and damage only important stat :3
I have no damage.
The one time I did more damage than someone, was cos they were REALLY bad or straight AFKing half the run.
restive stag
peril
deft stump
You could say 300 ping and preferences to lower damage light spammy weapons affect it, but still.
hazy birch
Thank you
Which is the best stat to prioritize while leveling?
I went damage on one and it didn't do much
rain wren
Yeah all you know is it will all be finished at level 500
And what ever stats you decide to dump will be 60 and the rest 80 when done
hazy birch
Yea I mean should I be prioritizing damage or burn
deft stump
Yea I mean should I be prioritizing damage or burn
You want both. 60 to warp resist.
Seriously.
royal totem
gosh gunners are so scary >.>
plucky flax
Where teaM? 
plucky flax
Oh hai
summer prairie
Nice of you not to finish that map yet
deft stump
Nice of you not to finish that map yet
Sounds like you wanna burga.
plucky flax
Thanks.
deft stump
Already smelling burning things.
summer prairie
I'd rather bonk
plucky flax
It's actually the hardest map I've played.
Too many narrow hallways for big chonky bois.
I should have won this round. Felt a bit scammed by shockmine
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restive stag
need to learn how to properly gunker
hazy birch
You want both. 60 to warp resist.
Ok. I'm talking about while leveling. When I have to settle for less than max stats
deft stump
Ok. I'm talking about while leveling. When I have to settle for less than max st...
Is random.
You literally only know current and max.
hazy birch
Like my current staff has 52 damage but only 35 burn
deft stump
Yes, the lvling is pure random.
hazy birch
I can roll more or just look for better stats
deft stump
Or just keep it since it'll max out anyway.
hazy birch
deft stump
If you aren't rushing aurics, it really doesn't matter.
hazy birch
im just trying to feel more powerful while leveling. feeling pretty limp right now
deft stump
You can even basically do malice with the starter gear stats.
hazy birch
I tried one and I did jack shit for damage
deft stump
im just trying to feel more powerful while leveling. feeling pretty limp right n...
Oh, that's just inferno. Is good stagger in lower diffs but just about it.
hazy birch
Died like 10x trying to kill hordes
hazy birch
Why would it do better in higher diffs?
deft stump
You don't have the horde density to do stuff.
deft stump
Inferno scales with number of shit on the screen.
ripe obsidian
Ek is just so.. Shit
@bright summit
deft stump
More shit, more damage.
hazy birch
It just feels bad to use
So much peril and damage feels mediocre
Can't hit as many things
deft stump
EK is really good
The hp buff on everything made it worse.
royal totem
not in malice though really
deft stump
not in malice though really
True. But once you touch heresy, lul.
It just needs to do more to compensate for how expensive perilwise.
Or just lmb I guess.
hazy birch
i been running scriers
deft stump
i been running scriers
Scriers is better on gunker or meleeker.
royal totem
i need to sleep
zealous wing
o7
strong gulch
kk
royal totem
it's 12:22am here
deft stump
Unless you purely take advantage of the 10 sec 100% peril well.
ripe obsidian
Snooze away
hazy birch
really? would have thought it would be nuking shit with inferno
royal totem
and if i don't sleep, bad things may happen
strong gulch
I didn't really sleep and yeah bad things did happen
deft stump
really? would have thought it would be nuking shit with inferno
You do not need it to crit like heck as a psyker.
Vent is better for purga.
bright summit
<@626286077606494239>
yeah ek is bad it doesn't do 3+ million damage per game every game
hazy birch
π€
deft stump
More stacks outright so they burn faster.
strong gulch
EK shriek strong
deft stump
Pair with an uncanny melee.
hazy birch
ah ok.
strong gulch
staves while leveling bad
deft stump
staves while leveling bad
This is true btw.
Just run assail vent.
Vent in case of newbie fuck ups.
hazy birch
staves while leveling bad
perhaps. but fun
not really a "newbie". played a year ago. i just forgot so much and they changed a bit since i played.
strong gulch
If you want to use a staff while leveling, go for it.
BUT staves have pretty hard scaling, so they are shit at lower level / investment; and psyker needs basically all of their talents.
deft stump
Can do SG as well, but you need to watch peril better.
hazy birch
like back then i feel like inferno felt better early. may be misremembering
also could have been different stuff happening in the tree. idk
deft stump
Inferno still busted, but as said, need horde density.
You aren't getting that outside of havoc and aurics.
strong gulch
8 seconds to kill 50 enemies or 1 with inferno.
other classes have more frontloaded damage now
royal totem
Karien
strong gulch
so less time to cook things
deft stump
Maybe very unlucky damnation runs.
ripe obsidian
How do i be good at this game
press buttons mostly
strong gulch
I also died to a chaos spawn.
deft stump
press buttons mostly
This, and panic.
deft stump
PANIC, THROW EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING.
royal totem
It threw me to a ledge and my teammates couldnt save me
deft stump
well, I also parried it at 100% peril
This sounds like pro skill things.
How to parry?
royal totem
press buttons mostly
Damn. I guess i dont press enough buttons
deft stump
Damn. I guess i dont press enough buttons
If you play M&K, you even have more buttons.
strong gulch
Parry peril shouldn't kill you imo. The damage buff should just stop.
royal totem
Im too unskilled π
deft stump
Parry peril shouldn't kill you imo. The damage buff should just stop.
I think it should just be, at critical peril, act like DS for other classes.
royal totem
I should have prayered the chaos spawn off the cliff
deft stump
So you have that 3% peril safety net.
ripe obsidian
Damn. I guess i dont press enough buttons
I'm pretty bad at vet, so that doesn't help
deft stump
Or whatever it is that true peril shows you.
strong gulch
I think it should just be, at critical peril, act like DS for other classes.
Ye that's what I mean
royal totem
I'm pretty bad at vet, so that doesn't help
Better than me. But i only play vet to meme
deft stump
Better than me. But i only play vet to meme
I play everything memes.
ripe obsidian
Vet feels unforgiving to play. One mistake and you're ded.
deft stump
Have you seen my self builds?
deft stump
Vet feels unforgiving to play. One mistake and you're ded.
Shout is the safety net.
Your toughness drops below 75%? RIP.
restive stag
so what r the good gunker guns
ripe obsidian
Your toughness drops below 75%? RIP.
Yes
ripe obsidian
Which is why basic shooters are 90% of my deaths
deft stump
so what r the good gunker guns
Vraks inf auto.
restive stag
alright thanks
royal totem
I should have gone prayer bot
deft stump
Which is why basic shooters are 90% of my deaths
I either get overheaded or disabled. 300 ping yay.
strong gulch
Which is why basic shooters are 90% of my deaths
Same. Makes me want assail on trauma.
deft stump
I pushed dog 4 times, still got dogged.
heavy hamlet
How is bolt pistol on gunker?
royal totem
I dont do much damage as prayer bot so i rely on team being good
ripe obsidian
Vet feels cool to play until you get touched, then it's desperately hoping Shout is off cooldown
deft stump
I stabbed a dog in the head 7 times before it died.
This is just auric hp.
2 hits should kill.
ripe obsidian
How is bolt pistol on gunker?
I like it on Auric and low havoc. Not sure it holds up on high havoc. No idea of breakpoints
heavy hamlet
I like it on Auric and low havoc. Not sure it holds up on high havoc. No idea of...
What would be the good one on high havoc? i'm currently just an auric player but i'd like to know expert opinion (but tbh on high havoc i'd just inferno bubble)
deft stump
I dont do much damage as prayer bot so i rely on team being good
Does it matter if you have no damage?
royal totem
Does it matter if you have no damage?
Depends who my teammates are
deft stump
I like it on Auric and low havoc. Not sure it holds up on high havoc. No idea of...
@icy breach runs it.
So, Shrugs.
deft stump
Depends who my teammates are
I guess.
royal totem
If theyre really bad then nothing dies
deft stump
I mean I'm doing like 500k tops so book and auras.
10% crit for all, funni shield of contempt, damage on book, beacon.
royal totem
Shield of contempt?
deft stump
Yes. It helped, somewhat.
wet belfry
Shield of contempt is not as good as you would think
It triggers when any ally takes any damage, then enters on a 10 sec cd
Inconsistent when it gets used
deft stump
Shield of contempt is not as good as you would think
Oh, I know. But when you only have 1 frontliner.
You know where all the procs end up.
This is H40.
It needs a buff, but yeah.
heavy hamlet
Also what is laspistol dump stat? i see stability/mobility debate
deft stump
Also what is laspistol dump stat? i see stability/mobility debate
Stability for fast mark, mobility for heavy mark.
Cos heavy mark has actual recoil.
royal totem
Anyways. Karien has seen my low damage numbers now
deft stump
HAVE YOU NEVER SEEN MY 150K TO 500K H40???
ripe obsidian
What would be the good one on high havoc? i'm currently just an auric player but...
Recon lasgun or heavy laspistol are the ones I see most
deft stump
CHAOS PLZ SHOW.
heavy hamlet
Recon lasgun or heavy laspistol are the ones I see most
Which MK for laspistol, i'm trying it out
deft stump
Which MK for laspistol, i'm trying it out
Fast.
You can safely just dump mobility tbh.
royal totem
This is why i cant clear h40. My damage too low.
deft stump
It won't matter as much as you think.
royal totem
Need to do 1.8m
deft stump
Someone doesn't get it.
royal totem
Ppl say h40 needs damage though π
summer prairie
Carry is the most important stat, it's either 1 or 0
graceful arch
Ppl say h40 needs damage though π
there are sections on certain maps that are a dps check
the first drop down on oubliette is a classic example
summer prairie
if the map has room to maneuver, don't need that much damage
graceful arch
if the map has room to maneuver, don't need that much damage
i said certain sections on certain maps.
summer prairie
the safest way to do that drop may be to have someone drop down and get sacrificed while the others deal with everything above
that wasn't a reply to you and I wrote it at the same time
deft stump
Carry is the most important stat, it's either 1 or 0
You mean 2.
graceful arch
the safest way to do that drop may be to have someone drop down and get sacrific...
nah safest way is to not lose too much ground when pulling backwards and making sure the monstrosity dies fast if you get a monstrosity + twins/captain
summer prairie
the safest way is to deal with it huh
graceful arch
How exactly are people even doing this silly smite stuff?
depends what silly smite stuff you are talking about
perma smite?
royal totem
Healing captain+monstrosity is sadness though
graceful arch
EP and scrier?
this is probably pretty standard for smite i think there is a version that uses warp siphon instead of psionics but i'm not a smite user
some run battle med for more uptime when sg is down but it will be nearly perma up anyways
ripe obsidian
There are smite builds in the pinned build guide.
@summer prairie do you know if cranial has a lower cost to the director than other Havoc modifiers? I swear I get way more crushers and trickle hordes in cranial + rot than purple + rot
summer prairie
Highly unlikely, haven't looked at it since it was added but it would have been mentioned on the guide
ripe obsidian
Ah well. Anecdotal, then.
austere warren
this is probably pretty standard for smite i think there is a version that uses ...
Mhm. I'm working on getting my bearings with being more conscious about better builds before doing some more personal setups
Figured I copy some clean builds first to just understand what's up these days
graceful arch
this is probably pretty standard for smite i think there is a version that uses ...
this is apperently 1 for 1 with what is in the guide except i cut battlemed
austere warren
this is apperently 1 for 1 with what is in the guide except i cut battlemed
Which guide?
Atheneum?
Or um
graceful arch
austere warren
The google doc yeah
ripe obsidian
Atheneum is very out of date, sadly
ripe obsidian
Nothing has been updated for multiple patches
So weapon changes, talent changes, etc.
ripe obsidian
this is apperently 1 for 1 with what is in the guide except i cut battlemed
I modified it to fit someone else's build, as mine was a few talents different and their reasons made sense. Dropping Battle Meditation is fine imo
modest perch
i always viewed battle med as a crutch for psykers who cant manage their peril
graceful arch
i always viewed battle med as a crutch for psykers who cant manage their peril
mandatory with JAD for staff psykers imo other than that you are correct
graceful arch
how much dmg are u rly converting to peril when u got the staff out ?
can be a lot actually.
ripe obsidian
I stopped using JaD because the peril conversion hurt me more than it helped
graceful arch
remember damage to toughness also gives you peril for jad
modest perch
i only take it on melee psyker
graceful arch
I stopped using JaD because the peril conversion hurt me more than it helped
eh i haven't felt it be a detriment other than when i remove battle med
deft stump
eh i haven't felt it be a detriment other than when i remove battle med
Try running without it... XD
ripe obsidian
eh i haven't felt it be a detriment other than when i remove battle med
I ended up in situations where a sudden spike resulted in me blowing myself up or something like pox gas kept my peril constantly rising so I couldn't cast
graceful arch
Try running without it... XD
have.
plucky flax
Someone called me?
austere warren
Yo holy shit the treasure trove damn
modest perch
sry was me
deft stump
Someone called me?
@royal totem Needs to see my 150k h40 bookbot damage.
ripe obsidian
Yo holy shit the treasure trove damn
I have put a lot of time into the builds.
plucky flax
<@128975123859374080> Needs to see my 150k h40 bookbot damage.
Don't have it
I think you did 1.5mil
austere warren
I have put a lot of time into the builds.
Thanks a lot actually. Staves are probably the biggest aspect of psyker i don't really understand. Who else authored this? Was it just you?
deft stump
Don't have it
Aww...
deft stump
I think you did 1.5mil
STOP LYING TO PEOPLE!!!
restive stag
vraks with 38 stability is obliterating my wrist
plucky flax
royal totem
Damn. Karien is such a badass
deft stump
vraks with 38 stability is obliterating my wrist
80 stability is hell already, wot.
austere warren
I've spent so much time playing with right tree gun/meleeker that I just don't know what the fuck I'm doing with staves broadly speaking.
austere warren
Didn't actually underatand what was going on with EK so this is cool.
Perhaps I pivot again and return to psyker scholarship
π€
deft stump
Always shouting at me <a:SadgeCry:927346529725976586>
Because you lie about the damage I do in runs!
austere warren
They're honestly an insanely fun class with so much variety it's crazy. Really rewarding to be good with too (right tree is the light).
languid pine
love it and hate it when the director goes crazy
first ten steps twins + ogryn
20s after another chaos spawn
restive stag
80 stability is hell already, wot.
hipfiring and burstfiring are my best friends
deft stump
hipfiring and burstfiring are my best friends
The only time it shoots straight is on exe stance.
Or the boss is in my face.
restive stag
somehow im managing to make a purple vraks with 38 stability shoot straight
might be a miracle tho idk
austere warren
I just hold the recoil and it works fine.
I make up a small β in my head if I'm magdumping and try to stay within that. Laser logic even if it's hitscan bullets.
deft stump
I either overcompensate or it goes everywhere on controller.
rain wren
Well each weapon does have its own recoil and if you get used to how it moves you can adjust to it after practice
royal totem
Karien has mad ping
rain wren
Oh nvm stick to single fire
Shotgun or spray and prat weapo
Spray and pray
Oh as psyker fire or electric staff
ripe obsidian
Thanks a lot actually. Staves are probably the biggest aspect of psyker i don't ...
It was me, with some editing help from a few people.
I wrote all of it though
rain wren
Electric staff you don't need to aim just point in the general direction and it will hit the nearest enemy to it. It also does a lot of damage for something that doesn't need to charge and is almost instant with a minor delay
deft stump
Oh nvm stick to single fire
300 ping on controller. XD
Recon is likely the only automatic I can legit use.
deft stump
Electric staff you don't need to aim just point in the general direction and it ...
I know, lul.
deft stump
This build will carry me
Not red?
rain wren
I like recon laser. I recently switched to that on zealot. Having fun
plucky flax
No perfect timing. 
deft stump
I like recon laser. I recently switched to that on zealot. Having fun
I know. I still like my bistol.
graceful arch
Electric staff you don't need to aim just point in the general direction and it ...
electro staff m2 does pretty pitiful dps, m1 spam does pretty good damage on anything not unyielding/carapace
plucky flax
Why would I get that it doesn't improve performance or do any qol
ripe obsidian
No perfect timing. <:thinkKMS:938463038711947264>
Who needs that? Crits are gambling. Not worth
rain wren
Oh yes that's right it was vermontide that did that
rain wren
electro staff m2 does pretty pitiful dps, m1 spam does pretty good damage on any...
Well we both know that it is the melee builds that do the most damage anyway. The range part of the game is just for fun
restive stag
Who needs that? Crits are gambling. Not worth
teammates are also gambling
super not worth
actually wait no i love gambling
graceful arch
Well we both know that it is the melee builds that do the most damage anyway. Th...
this is ek in auric
plucky flax
Who needs that? Crits are gambling. Not worth
Well the guy died in the first encounter so yeah.
His goofy build didn't carry.
ripe obsidian
teammates are also gambling
super not worth
Agreed
graceful arch
Well we both know that it is the melee builds that do the most damage anyway. Th...
also generally you will out dps melee psyker with staffs
restive stag
honestly my eyes have been opened to gunker i thought i couldn't like it
but vraks is like that one mercy gif
graceful arch
hell you will generally out dps everyone else with staffs
primal aurora
This build will carry me
Mark 6 is better than the other one?
plucky flax
Mark 6 is better than the other one?
Yeah for sure.
restive stag
I have acquired a second blessing on my vraks
splendid
rain wren
hell you will generally out dps everyone else with staffs
I mean of course if you are the first to hit it since you are range but if the melee is there first the time it took you to shoot it should be dead
deft stump
Why would I get that it doesn't improve performance or do any qol
I thought you had ALL the mods.
tulip kettle
I mean of course if you are the first to hit it since you are range but if the m...
this is true in heresy maybe
restive stag
i mean, i feel that the thing is that we're comparing (mostly) burst dps to (semi-often) more multi hit dps (but even then not really that often because of how many ranged things are also burst damage)
deft stump
tulip kettle
in havoc when theres say, 12 shotguners and 6 bulwarks and a bunch of ragers and maulers, the guy stabbing has hit 3 things by the time you burned/zapped half the room
restive stag
I say this as someone who hasn't used a gun once in her life until today btw (i am very experienced)
yeah
because melee dps is interrupted by movement
while ranged only really gets interrupted by thingsl ike reload or peril management
tulip kettle
and only hits one thing at a tim
restive stag
yup
graceful arch
like this was a h40 win where i played pretty shit
tulip kettle
this is current season? what map and mods?
tulip kettle
that is not a purple 40
plucky flax
I thought you had ALL the mods.
Onl the OP ones
graceful arch
it was 27 min
languid pine
Well we both know that it is the melee builds that do the most damage anyway. Th...
you will not out-dps an infinite cleave ranged weapon
ie. purg
graceful arch
that is not a purple 40
maybe cranial stimms
i can't remember off the top off my head
this was a 2 million damage game but i dced
damn you scoreboard
deft stump
Onl the OP ones
Oh.
plucky flax
I will try bubble to see if it helps (probably not)
tulip kettle
i played a few bubble games yesterday
primal aurora
this was a 2 million damage game but i dced
scoreboard mod from nexus?
austere warren
I wrote all of it though
Nicely done
tulip kettle
i forgot how painful it is spending half the game quelling
graceful arch
scoreboard mod from nexus?
yes
powerdi is better i've heard but it keeps breaking with updates
austere warren
Anyone here a Sienna scholar? I got back into vt2 after being away for a while. Considering pivoting and actually committing myself to being competent with all her tools.
I think I only did like the same three builds with her between bright wizard, pyromancer and necromancer.
graceful arch
Anyone here a Sienna scholar? I got back into vt2 after being away for a while. ...
not a scholar by any means but have played sienna in cata
@austere warren
graceful arch
make sure to spam your ult on unchained
cursed advice
solid pond
I used to play alot of unchained with the occasional BW into Cata but its been fucking ages
I don't remember much
only misinformation remains
graceful arch
this is a pretty standard build for bw
actually most would run famished flames instead of lingering but you can get good value out of lingering with certain staffs
but more dps is famished you just can't do shenanigans where you kill an entire patrol by ignoring it after putting a dot on everyone
restive stag
big fan of illisi
languid pine
Anyone here a Sienna scholar? I got back into vt2 after being away for a while. ...
cheese is always correct
famished and lingering are both viable
but current meta is flamestorm + lingering since if you fully charge the flamestorm there's this weird interaction where you'll also do more direct damage
if lingering, coru/beam/fireball is fine too
volcanic is exclusively for bolt
kaboom and burnout are also interchangable, but if you want higher dps you go kaboom + famished
i would say uc is what people struggle with the most on since you have to tip-toe around the passive but it really isnt that bad
once you get good at sienna in vt2 i guarantee you that psyker will feel fucking dumb
(honestly given for everything moving from vt2 into dt)
idk if cheese made the detailed guide on sienna yet, but you can do damage gating with unchained
if you get hit by anything and your overheat is at critical (80+%), you'll only fill to max
even if you have 99% overheat and you get hit, it gets set to 100%
austere warren
cheese is always correct
Guess they're stuff still relevant lucky me.
cosmic cobalt
the bot build are kinda iffy ime
for ranged weapon and talent it work but melee choice are meh
because of how bot doesn't chain heavy, push attack and light together it better to pick one with 1 good horde clear and 1 good st
relevant for something like mace on kruber since you have to block cancel, mix in push attack for optimal horde clear
so mace and sword or gs is better for bot
which is simple for bot to use and does great on both horde clear and st on their heavies
spear and shield also work well even in vanilla you don't need bot combat improvement for that
summer prairie
@plucky flax if you still have your map I'd be interested in some attempts
cosmic cobalt
great hammer also work for merc
weary idol
powerdi is better i've heard but it keeps breaking with updates
Does it?
I have yet to have an issue with it breaking on an update that didn't also break everything else
plucky flax
<@150967101836886016> if you still have your map I'd be interested in some attem...
Surprisingly I just won it.
summer prairie
shame
plucky flax
Rumbler ogryn carried
I know the zealot though so I knew he'd push aggressively with me.
hearty wolf
I'm a dinosaur
candid temple
hell you will generally out dps everyone else with staffs
some staffs
wait, actually, how is voidstrike with infinite cleave event?
marble crater
Voidstrike's problem wasn't and isn't cleave, so I imagine it's still whelming
deft stump
wait, actually, how is voidstrike with infinite cleave event?
Needs better charge time still.
Also, more damage might be nice.
quaint lark
Special bubble staff.
gasps its 76 burn...where is the 80?
plucky flax
76 and 80 burn is the same.
languid pine
as a flame staff psyker im torn on weather to use bubble or vent
vent if you're bored or want funny numbers
bubble if havoc or you want a secured win
in auric anything goes, in havoc depends on your team
marble crater
Both work, really just depends on which you like more
languid pine
you can still go purg vent, your team just has to be competent
in which 99% of the time they're not
doesnt matter if they're true survivor or havoc exemplar or 1000+ true levels or whatever, they'll most likely die without bubble in shitty situations
warped fable
ok cool so that seems to be my exprince as well
royal totem
Some maps bubble just better
marble crater
Vent can save your team from dogs 30m away and through several walls, bubble can not
white valley
Dogs are one of the least threatening specials in the game
marble crater
Unless you are 30m away from your team and behind several walls
marble crater
I am not, I am the person with vent, keep up
weary idol
bubble if havoc or you want a secured win
im gonna be real bubble is very mid
it does not have a very long duration if its your teams primary way of stuffing shooters
warped fable
i fell like vent is the better option for hord clear and ogryn CC but the the party dose not last long if no bubble
royal totem
Depends on map and luck. Shrugs. Both have their place
languid pine
this is why i say its team dependent
map is also a factor
if the map has open large sightlines then you'll want a bubble, if its cqc then vent has huge value
languid pine
if you have a smoke vet you can also afford to drop bubble
weary idol
https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-gif-21327280
don't make me start bitching about how Chorus sucks balls again
I WILL bust out the hot takes
white valley
I am not, I am the person with vent, keep up
I am keeping up, why is your idiot teammate 30m away?
languid pine
bubble also just ignores like half the fucking special roster
marble crater
I am keeping up, why is your idiot teammate 30m away?
Because they are a zealot or arby
white valley
Because they are a zealot or arby
too far
solid pond
don't make me start bitching about how Chorus sucks balls again
there is definitely some takes in this discord, I understand why some say bubble isn't that great in that one situation, because if everything is shooting it in high havoc it doesn't last long, but its still a few seconds for vet/arb or whatever to safely peak to actually kill a few ranged things
deft stump
Unless you are 30m away from your team and behind several walls
300 ping?
weary idol
<:Kek:763175461160484884> there is definitely some takes in this discord, I unde...
I do not need your assistance to peak "safely"
deft stump
7 pushes at the dog, still dogged.
weary idol
I am playing veteran or SG psyker
If I am peaking the gunners I am killing all of them
deft stump
Dog takes 10 headstabs with dueling h1s to die.
solid pond
kariens go to yap when it comes to DT
warped fable
im the kinda gamer that prefers things to be optimal... in regards to psyker bubble vs vet smoke... would it not be more optimal for the vet to be using craks?
marble crater
I don't even know what 300 ping feels like
solid pond
im the kinda gamer that prefers things to be optimal... in regards to psyker bu...
depends
they're not nessesary into normal armour, into rotten they're good and get alot of value
languid pine
im the kinda gamer that prefers things to be optimal... in regards to psyker bu...
mutator dependent
deft stump
I don't even know what 300 ping feels like
At best, DELAY. At worst, nothing lands, nothing actually hits and get damaged.
solid pond
but smokes are better otherwise
solid pond
ranged is the leading cause of not alive in havoc
deft stump
GL landing kraks.
solid pond
smokes turn the brains of ranged off
solid pond
GL landing kraks.
they track you fucking goober
solid pond
degree in yappenomics
warped fable
yeah the magnetic grenades are so hard to land
weary idol
Kraks magnetize onto carapace armor
in a very generous radius
this does sometimes mean they hit a random scab rager instead of the crusher however
deft stump
they track you fucking goober
They do, but they only do so if near. The bosses on my screen aren't really there to the server.
deft stump
Is how I get overheaded by captains over 10m away.
deft stump
Captain is cara, right?
weary idol
no
warped fable
ok hold on you cant talk about game balance of your not playing by the same rules...
warped fable
300 ping is a problem for you then your playing a completly difrent game then the rest of us with good ping
solid pond
300 ping is a problem for you then your playing a completly difrent game then th...
they say they play on other servers because their server is dead but they're playing on that server at like 1-4am
self forfilling copium
deft stump
So I might be throwing my krak at a crusher infront of me, but it homes to nothing because the server has said crusher elsewhere.
languid pine
i actually hate dedicated servers so much
warped fable
this is a ping problem not a problem with a krak
languid pine
because i genuinely cannot play with people in other continents
20 fucking disconnects
solid pond
i actually hate dedicated servers so much
better than p2p would be to those other continents
Vt2 sucks donkey if you try to do the same thing
deft stump
because i genuinely cannot play with people in other continents
No diff with P2P. Most ppl don't set up their systems to host.
languid pine
i play with kuli and pestilence occasionally and everytime we have to roll a d20 for a good eu server for me
languid pine
Vt2 sucks donkey if you try to do the same thing
i actually prefer vt2 p2p
solid pond
20 fucking disconnects
that just sounds like your internet lol
languid pine
because i dont get my ass fucked by disconnects
in darktide its actually consistent
royal totem
Err im in na and when i play EU i dont disconnect much
deft stump
this is a ping problem not a problem with a krak
I know that. Is why I said dogs are scary at 300 ping. Cos it's a gamble to do anything.
solid pond
I am AU and can play to EU perfectly fine
cosmic cobalt
yeah in vt2 you just straight up can't continue the mission because host dc or crash
deft stump
Also, you need to predodge.
royal totem
Catmiral is just too good at game
deft stump
I did true survivor on EU ping
I mean, I did it there as well.
languid pine
i want to get true survivor so i can actually get accepted into havoc lobbies
deft stump
papawilly must've been carrying extra hard that day for you
Not with papa.
solid pond
uh huh
royal totem
With chaos and syllo right?
deft stump
With chaos and syllo right?
And Sut.
languid pine
true...
royal totem
Smokes make gunner aggro radius much smaller right?
deft stump
I dunno what you want
Nothing. I'm just saying unstable 300 ping is exactly just that.
royal totem
Or do they do absolutely nothing and just stand there chatting
solid pond
Or do they do absolutely nothing and just stand there chatting
they'll continue shooting at your last known in the smoke and it can cause them to reposition
solid pond
sometimes they'll just stand there braindead
weary idol
sometimes they'll just stand there braindead
this is the intended behavior
solid pond
ye
solid pond
has that been said by devs?
weary idol
no, but it's pretty obvious in testing
since they'll also shoot walls, and won't let up shooting targets they aren't supposed to
youknow the situation
you hear a dreg gunner laying into a wall for like 5 seconds straight
solid pond
or 5 reapers
weary idol
yah
solid pond
fair
weary idol
reapers have always done it
royal totem
I...see
weary idol
since they've always been able to move+shoot
zealous wing
very nice of them to alert us to their location
weary idol
dreg/scab gunners only started doing it when they were given the ability to walk and shoot
solid pond
patrol of like 7 of them all slamming their guns at the same time
do reapers have a like
aim cone?
weary idol
all ranged enemies have perfect accuracy if unsupressed
solid pond
or is their tracking just fucked because they don't turn as fast as their rounds being fired at you do
weary idol
or is their tracking just fucked because they don't turn as fast as their rounds...
their bullets will come out of the side of the barrel to hit you
plucky flax
<:Kek:763175461160484884> there is definitely some takes in this discord, I unde...
Imagine playing havoc without bubble I'd never
solid pond
yeah, cuz you can be near them, dodging around them and they'll very much hit you while not aiming at your postcode
reaper hate
solid pond
Imagine playing havoc without bubble I'd never
π£
plucky flax
royal totem
havoc without bubble? unthinkable
hearty wolf
I think Zealot is shit
I dunno what it is, but like. The melee weapons all fucking blow imo
Relic blade just isn't powersword
It's like jerking off, you only need one hand.
patent mango
yeah power sword is simply too fun to put down honestly relic blade cant compare
hearty wolf
It doesn't chop enough
I also hate uppercuts
It also feels like slapping someone with a loaf of bread
white valley
I think Zealot is shit
kind of, yes
patent mango
greatswords are fine but 1 hander weapons are where its at
patent mango
deimos is crazy favorite wep rn
hearty wolf
Aside from its DOGSHIT lights
white valley
zealot is stuck in an odd place, they're the big melee class but everyone can melee well
But relic blade is frankly quite strong
hearty wolf
I think they need to tone down support skills and reliance on them maybes.
white valley
try the mark 10 instead, I hate the mark 2, dunno how people like it
hearty wolf
Idk, havoc is just bring infinite cc/anti gunner
patent mango
ok enough trolling i hate power sword its awful
hearty wolf
But I want high density and
No
What the fuck
I'm going to kill you
Havoc 40 right now melee only
patent mango
patent mango
havoc isnt real either
hearty wolf
You're not real
patent mango
hop on sedition
hearty wolf
I haven't unlocked it
white valley
I've seen people glaze mk2 relic blade for its infinite strikedown heavy loop but I dunno why anyone would want an uppercut that can't hit heads for shit
hearty wolf
You've got to break your neck to make it aim properly
patent mango
but hwo am i meant to use funny sword without a cool uppercut
white valley
by using it with strikedowns and stabs
and perfectly horizontal sweeps made to cleave through 10 heads at once
hearty wolf
I remember hating the mark 10
Think the push attack was yucky
However I use power sword push attack because it's cool
patent mango
but theres no awesome uppercut.........
white valley
I am going to uppercut you
patent mango
fellow mk2 enjoyer
royal totem
i assume thunder hammer isn't meant to kill carapace?
zealous wing
it does an okay job
upbeat kestrel
i assume thunder hammer isn't meant to kill carapace?
it is. space marine variants can punch through tanks armour
it just needs a leg up
cosmic cobalt
but it's not something you use often
literally quickest way to reset into single target
royal totem
testing it in the psy, it feels super slow to kill crushers
zealous wing
i assume thunder hammer isn't meant to kill carapace?
use crucis, and use an activated heavy attack
zealous wing
ironhelm WAS going to be the one i used
plucky flax
I dunno what it is, but like. The melee weapons all fucking blow imo
Use knife or ds4
zealous wing
but, its got an unforgivable bug
royal totem
still takes like 6 attacks to kill an auric crusher
i may have the wrong blessings?
idk
zealous wing
send SS
cosmic cobalt
what is bro build
plucky flax
ironhelm WAS going to be the one i used
RIP clad
royal totem
can't screenshot. comp doesn't let me. but i'm using thunderous and momentum
white valley
literally quickest way to reset into single target
unless you're looping H3 and H4, you don't need to reset
but yes in that case it's useful
royal totem
oh so you're looping charged attacks
upbeat kestrel
oh so you're looping charged attacks
and with thrust and headtaker
perhaps shroudfield be preferable to charge with thammer
zealous wing
this is the tree on that build
royal totem
i want a break on arb. need to learn more funny zealot things
zealous wing
can swap blitz, and ability, and technically keystone too, since i didnt use its effects
i also can sub it into my shroudfield build, but, its not really necessary, nor wanted in higher havocs
royal totem
so in the meantime i advise nobody play with me so i don't throw their games with my shitty zealot
upbeat kestrel
i want a break on arb. need to learn more funny zealot things
perhaps other weapons be more interesting to you? like eviscerator and relic blade?
white valley
eviscerator's fun
royal totem
i don't like eviscerator
white valley
heresy
white valley
HERETICS
upbeat kestrel
i don't like eviscerator
why?
graceful arch
can't screenshot. comp doesn't let me. but i'm using thunderous and momentum
No thrust headtaker?
white valley
How can one not enjoy the sound of a chainaxe's teeth biting into a mutant?
zealous wing
how can one possibly enjoy the sound of metal grating on carapace
upbeat kestrel
what happened to clad?
zealous wing
banned
upbeat kestrel
for what?
royal totem
No thrust headtaker?
yeah i had the wrong blessings
zealous wing
uhm, lets say politically charged arguement with a moderator
graceful arch
what happened to clad?
Said some highly political stuff I don't know the specifics off.
zealous wing
with clad veering very much into "thats not very good to say out loud"
deft stump
so in the meantime i advise nobody play with me so i don't throw their games wit...
I think someone is asking to play.
zealous wing
i mean
royal totem
like worse than my arb
zealous wing
i have psyker 7 ready
deft stump
i have psyker 7 ready
SEVEN.
graceful arch
i have psyker 7 ready
Psyker 6 will be remembered after breing brutally murdered by it's parent.
deft stump
What are you, learning from Beans?
graceful arch
May god rest it's soul.
zealous wing
i have actually found it a good method for learning how to deal with things that arent weighed in my favour
i clutched the first mission with a DC and the laspistol, which, for me using DC, was actually an improvement
zealous wing
and, psyker6 was me learning VB, and only using VB as the weapon
this one will be knife
royal totem
as zealot, should my second weapon be flammer or boltgun
zealous wing
it depends, genuinely
for thammer, bolt pistol
if you went with something singletarget, flamer
deft stump
as zealot, should my second weapon be flammer or boltgun
Bistol.
deft stump
Bistol Relic.
sullen bobcat
Tbh, I use the las pistol on thammer
marble crater
as zealot, should my second weapon be flammer or boltgun
Why not a build for both
marble crater
Because Karien is a bistol addict, don't listen to her
deft stump
why bistol? >.<
Fien use revolver.
zealous wing
better range singletarget damage, floor penetration, aoe, etc
sullen bobcat
Consider the following on las pistol: ghost
white valley
as zealot, should my second weapon be flammer or boltgun
those aren't your only options, las pistol and bolt pistol are damn good options as well
sullen bobcat
It removes the main issue of thammer zealot of not having a good anti shooter option
deft stump
It removes the main issue of thammer zealot of not having a good anti shooter op...
Also, mobility.
zealous wing
i use bistol as an FGS sub in for when teammates are pinned by a dog on floor above, or if i know i cant aim at the dog perfectly, just to get it off them
and yeah if you do use flamer or bolt gun, you can use blades of faith to skip the slow equip process
but youre slow
fierce crest
laspistol is juicy on any crit build
sullen bobcat
Las pistol is just good in general tbh
royal totem
i'm a silly infiltrate build
sullen bobcat
Just a silly boi
white valley
las pistol with blazing piety hits like a truck
sullen bobcat
I have an auto clicker macro on my mouse lol
Even then, I'm going for precision typically for anti shooters, so I'm not spamming shots, and I click manually
If you want a temu recon las build, use the the MG IV with an auto clicker
white valley
recon las is decent too on crit builds
zealous wing
why specifically do you want bolter, and why specifically do you want flamer
royal totem
i just don't like bistol
sullen bobcat
Your ranged should complement your melee
If your infiltrate build sucks ass at shooters, figure out how to deal with that, and flamer/bolter aren't the best options
royal totem
to be honest the problem might be in general i don't like any of the zealot guns
zealous wing
if youre using the thammer, you have decent horde clear, and also decent armour cleanup. flamer is for horde clearing, and bolter is.... i dont actually know where bolter is useful on more than just, one or two crushers at a time before slow as fuck reload
sullen bobcat
Emergency mag dump pretty much lol
deft stump
if youre using the thammer, you have decent horde clear, and also decent armour ...
Magdump bosses.
Lul.
zealous wing
thammer
sullen bobcat
Yeah, so it's redundant
zealous wing
especially on SF
deft stump
Why lul.
zealous wing
so i guess flamer is the least useless on that build
sullen bobcat
An infiltrate t hammer build has no need to mag dump
zealous wing
of the two
cosmic cobalt
thammer doesn't do mixed horde clear fast so flamer
deft stump
so i guess flamer is the least useless on that build
Is still terrible. You have 0 mobility.
marble crater
Play braced autogun and magdump elites
zealous wing
true, but if nemui wants no mobility, then no mobility it is
deft stump
true, but if nemui wants no mobility, then no mobility it is
I guess, might make positioning harder.
zealous wing
it will
royal totem
i mean, this isn't really for havoc. it's just a dick around build
zealous wing
100%
sullen bobcat
Play braced autogun and magdump elites
Wasn't a huge fan when I tried it because it really struggles with snipers
marble crater
Use throwing knives for snipers
zealous wing
which, is fair, nemui. you are allowed to have fun, we just want to make sure you know the pain youre gonna be in 
white valley
Wasn't a huge fan when I tried it because it really struggles with snipers
crouch for more precision
royal totem
though i'm slightly considering the combat shotgun now ._. hmmmmmmmmm
white valley
combat shotguns are good
zealous wing
take the uh
white valley
the slug one is a very good pocket sniper
zealous wing
fuck what one is the special single target slug
white valley
agripinaa
zealous wing
yeah
white valley
I think
royal totem
i take the agri
zealous wing
its not necessarily better than a revolver because, you have to reload after every single shot of the special slug, but, you WILL have more overall ammo, iirc
and, its fast to slip the slug in, tbh
just slide and special, its good to go
white valley
I mean you have more than twice the ammo
zealous wing
couldnt remember numbers
white valley
that's a pretty big deal
deft stump
though i'm slightly considering the combat shotgun now ._. hmmmmmmmmm
Is decent, agripinna only.
sullen bobcat
There's nothing more satisfying than a good bonk with a thammer on a boss
royal totem
ok
white valley
agripinaa pairs well with full bore and no respite
white valley
Agri has surprisingly high finesse
legit crazy headshot and crit damage for a shotgun
royal totem
i break out into hives whenever i get close to a burgle (this is a joke)
zealous wing
slug vs slug
royal totem
may the better slug win π
real warren
Greetings
zealous wing
zealous wing
if you do want a buddy, im down to tag along
real warren
Is it weird I've exclusively played Psyker since the game came out?
real warren
Lately I've found myself loving my gun-psyker build with brain burst and scrier's gaze to focus specialists
Ope it didn't embed
Oh well
real warren
Ah. Makes sense tbh
zealous wing
shouldnt take long, just a normal conversation is usually plenty
real warren
Yeeee
Also I finally got the malleus monstronum penance not too long ago
Shiny armour
zealous wing
gg
real warren
Any recommends as to what's a decent build for havoc 20+ missions?
zealous wing
depends on team construction sometimes, but, bubbleknight is a common go-to, for the gunker side of things
should be in the build bonanza in the pins
real warren
Ah I see
zealous wing
there should also be some other gunker builds there if you want to compare, as well as a couple templates
real warren
Much appreciated
tulip kettle
SG better damage but less safe for team mates
Generally if you don't bring bubble randoms will cry about it when they die
real warren
Saying "skill issue" is probably not the right way to handle this, is it
tulip kettle
Works for me
If they didn't want to get shot they should have engaged the shooters in melee, shouldn't they.
Or brought their own smokes or shield or such
But just to go back a bit, in highest havoc's there is no build that can come close to competing with inferno + force sword + shriek for output
real warren
I've seen a few people run that build, seems very strong
weary idol
But just to go back a bit, in highest havoc's there is no build that can come cl...
SG gun psyker can absolutely compete and exceed it
But it's waaaaaaaay more effort
FGS devours havoc 40 hordes
tulip kettle
It can't dude but ok
I'm not saying output on other build isn't great but with the current modified there is just nothing with the dps of 22 stacks of soulblaze on 40 elites and stacking uncanny
summer prairie
unless your whole team is cracked, then purg won't be that far ahead without healing being in play
long wharf
how much damage does Charged Strike really do?
long wharf
no idea how to use it properly, but, that is what psyker7 is for
from what I hear, you're running a Black Ship all your own
those poor psykers
zealous wing
i know it was bugged to do more than it was supposed to, and now its been fixed, i've heard nothing about charged strikes, dunno numbers
zealous wing
from what I hear, you're running a Black Ship all your own
i've only deleted 2-5 so far, i still have psyker6 because idk if im done learning VB basics yet, and psyker1 is my main 
long wharf
you do understand that you can have multiple loadouts, right?
there's a mod for extending how many you can have, too
zealous wing
yes but i enjoy the levelling process
long wharf
fair enough
zealous wing
specifically only psykers though the other classes are way too much of a slog
or, in arby's case, just, too easy
long wharf
so you just like seeing level number go up
zealous wing
it HAS been getting me used to not using deflector as well
finally took it off my main FGS
zealous wing
so you just like seeing level number go up
not really, if i want number go up i do main psyker
long wharf
zealous wing
550 or so i think
weary idol
or, in arby's case, just, too easy
Arby'sβ’ has a pretty high skill ceiling build with full dog build though
Skill floor is rock bottom but the ceiling very high
zealous wing
yeah but the LEVELING process is easy
theres no actual challenge if you already know the basics
long wharf
yeah, gonne disagree there
zealous wing
tbh the skill ceiling on all the classes can be considered high
long wharf
skill floor is literally the floor
and the skill ceiling is normal "I understand the mechanics and can dodge effectively"
zealous wing
you can always be better at a class
weary idol
and the skill ceiling is normal "I understand the mechanics and can dodge effect...
do this consistently in combat
while doing all the mechanics and dodging effectively
because this is consistent
you can do this every time if you don't fuck it up
to maximize dog damage
long wharf
I redirect my dog constantly
raw garnet
How fun and enjoyable looking
weary idol
I redirect my dog constantly
as you should because 99% of dog damage happens the instant the pounce lands
if your dog stays pounced it's losing damage because of it
zealous wing
plus the aoe bleed, if you have it
royal totem
I only play dogless
long wharf
okay, Charged Strike is crap
royal totem
Yeah. Bug got fixed
long wharf
if your dog stays pounced it's losing damage because of it
yes, but spending too much time micromanaging your dog lowers your total dps, because you are a larger source of damage than your dog
royal totem
My dog is 100% of my dps
royal totem
I use arby shield and only hold it up while playing dog director
pale prairie
tbh the skill ceiling on all the classes can be considered high
Arbites?
solid pond
you see those arbites that fall over?
yea
still possible to be ass even with arbites
zealous wing
just because its easy to pick up doesnt mean someone can take arby and immediately win h40 without knowing wtf they're doing
someone can take the most meta build, and still die in lower difficulties
solid pond
same way people do it in every game
take broken shit because someone said it was broken
do ass
zealous wing
yuppers
its like the people who take h40 inferno meta to like, heresy or damnation, and then come here asking why its so underwhelming
zealous wing
to be fair, dog is literally invulnerable
zealous wing
oh god imagine if they made bons able to eat your dog, or CS's grab them. it would be so mean
dogsplosion would become a requirement 
white sky
Or Lone Wolf tbh
zealous wing
yeah but an arby without the dog is just a vet on steroids
or usually, pocket smykers
zealous wing
the shock mine or the actual "explode on impact" ones
zealous wing
you can do that with dogsplosion, though i imagine arby grenade easier to aim the monstrosities where you want them
white sky
Its a little more immediate and its easier to do it with cause you'll have 4-5
zealous wing
and yeah shoving anything off a cliff is just, almost as good as ogryn BFR
white sky
So i suppose I would say there's more consistency to the nades
zealous wing
makes sense
very specific use case though, but overall the grenades are nice
no "throw grenade a little wrong and now the things you wanted dead /staggered are too far away from it" like with other grenades
white sky
you can still use them to stagger for revives assuming you're running revive speed too more immediately than dogsplosion ime
zealous wing
if im running shield maul i usually flashbang for a revive, but ye i run revive on my arby
been practicing with the other maul though
i like the overall utility of running both shield weapons, but, theres only so much the shield maul can do
white sky
Ive been trying things that arent shmaul lately tbh, do love free secondary blitz tho tbh
Yeah, I agree
Its very defensive in nature
zealous wing
shotpistol is a must for me, though, i dont understand the delight of the other shotgun
bulletproof shield, quick snappy reaction for getting the trappers dead, sniping things mega far away, it does it all
monster damage isnt horrible either
if i NEED it
white sky
VIII feels akin to a plasma, other one feels great if you like headshots i think pairs really well with scattershot too, they normally have better range too. Shot pistol feels great with Arby's naturally high crit tho, I agree, and tbh you're very close most of the time anyway.
Im ngl tho I've been turned on to combat shotgun arb
It kinda just does the same damage as the exaction anyway on a stagger build and it has like 1.8 times the max ammo and a lil over 3x shells in the tube
royal totem
I just like ex shotgun can pretty quickly reload one shell at a time compared to shistol
ripe obsidian
Even at close range, the ex shotgun feels bad for me. Takes 2+ shots to kill anything in H40. I just use bistol to snipe specials
prime elk
exe shotguns are more for bulk horde deletion rather than single target deletion tbf
prime elk
true
mk3's mostly just a hordesweeper for auric imo
mk8 is prob more useful in havoc
plucky flax
Arby with more range damage than melee damage 
royal totem
I dont like having to press special button every time for combat shotgun
and still dont like just irons no target reticle
verbal thistle
it becomes muscle memory
you start doing it while sliding to get the animation cancel
strong gulch
you start doing it while sliding to get the animation cancel
If you're up for it, doing a vid of the various cancels, staged reloads, etc might be a great resource.
strong gulch
Oh no. Hexis started playing 2 weeks ago and got too pro at psyker.
verbal thistle
If you're up for it, doing a vid of the various cancels, staged reloads, etc mig...
as soon as the ammo in the clip goes up 1, its loaded and you can qq or just swap
visually its when the shell enters fully
works for normal and special shells
its timing makes it very good to do while sliding
so no movement debuff
pale prairie
Oh no. Hexis started playing 2 weeks ago and got too pro at psyker.
Nah he got tempted by the βhigh skill ceilingβ dog trainer
strong gulch
Thanks!
zealous wing
Nah he got tempted by the βhigh skill ceilingβ dog trainer
nah i wanted to pet the dog
dog is there solely to be pet, and fed
strong gulch
What if I learn to arby?
marble crater
Hexis is just a hater as I have learned
marble crater
Yeah, where is the Arby build bonanza?
strong gulch
I know dog, no dog, outlines keystone, and the abilities exist.
long wharf
okay, who was telling me about Souldrinker?
radiant frigate
Damn remember when hexis hated arbites? And now he has joined them <:Guarded:972...
if it's any consolation, i still hate arby
long wharf
I switched my melee/assail to PC, SD, WF, and Venting Shriek
found myself with a lot more survivability than trying to stay in melee range with SG
marble crater
if it's any consolation, i still hate arby
Which other fast food places do you hate?
zealous wing
looks like it was dom
radiant frigate
Which other fast food places do you hate?
i think fast food is pretty trash in general
long wharf
well, I'm willing to say he was right
zealous wing
he tends to be
long wharf
WF for the purposes of proc'ing Souldrinker is a noticeable gain
royal totem
<@230796342165897226> give arby builds
U want my arb builds?
radiant frigate
shriek is so powerful that you can slap it on melee psyker and it's still epic
long wharf
that's what I'm doing
marble crater
i think fast food is pretty trash in general
It is, but every once in a while I need it
long wharf
i think fast food is pretty trash in general
because it is, but that's also why people like it
pale prairie
if it's any consolation, i still hate arby
Thank you
long wharf
fast food is consistent trash
you know what you're going to get
but, at least here in the US, it's starting to get too expensive
strong gulch
Which other fast food places do you hate?
long wharf
would have been better if there actually was a combo meal #5 at Arbys
zealous wing
beautiful
marble crater
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pale prairie
I know dog, no dog, outlines keystone, and the abilities exist.
Just pick randomly. Itβs such high skill ceiling that your skills will make up for any talent mismatches /s
zealous wing
thats odd
usually fast foods thrive on previously stated consistency
guess not with menu
long wharf
Arby's is "different"
marble crater
I missed the entire ceiling and floor discussion, now I feel like I am not part of the inside joke 
marble crater
Rude