psyker-class

[jovial juniper]

Top tier mod

[zealous wing]

only downside is, i tend to listen to my own music

[royal totem]

damn. looks like it should be

[radiant frigate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/721520171365171284/1311019478313861191/caption.gif

[ripe obsidian]

Kat, what is your go-to build in RPGs? In a general sense.

[radiant frigate]

bonk wizard and/or dodgy git

[ripe obsidian]

Bonk wizard is what I expected

[radiant frigate]

melee psyker satisfies both

[radiant frigate]

you have been volunteered for the psi labs by the way

[full lichen]

did they nerf venting shriek or is it just not staggering randomly

[radiant frigate]

stagger strength depends on peril

[sonic schooner]

SIBLINGS

I HAVE DONE IT

AL PENANCES

COMPLETED

[patent mango]

zamn!!

[strong gulch]

yay!

[royal totem]

congrats!

[icy breach]

Thats golden

[vivid loom]

He… used the build and proceeded to use trauma (I think?) staff for some reason, and did a whopping 100k dmg while still blowing himself up so uh I think it’s ggs on trying to have a duo lmao. But thank you I might try Psyker out myself just to see how it plays

[rustic helm]

after using ogryn and zealot again after putting the progression of my psyker to the side, I forget how squishy the psyker is.

[steady yarrow]

It's not really that squishy tho

unless you're eating crusher swings

or not doing damage

[patent mango]

psyker used to be half as survivable 1 update ago tbh lmao

defo the best time to try psyker if anyone thought they were too squishy

[steady yarrow]

I mean the crusher overhead was 100% a death sentence before lol

[rustic helm]

and it still hurts

[patent mango]

hurt them more and it works out

[rustic helm]

i forget that I can't play like an ogryn, getting all up in the businesses. my psyker isn't a high enough level nor do I have the mastery

[steady yarrow]

I've been grinding out 100 games on arby for the penance lately and the survivability is riduculous.

[patent mango]

yeah a lot of people say psyker only gets good at max lvl

[steady yarrow]

If you're using inferno, you can survive a lot though.

[patent mango]

i played arby and it felt like the enemies couldnt even get a chance to attack me

[rustic helm]

i would say that, but smite is kind of carrying me through hordes at. use smite, and hopefully teammates do some cleanup when i'm edging my paral

peral?

[steady yarrow]

Peril lol

[patent mango]

peril

[rustic helm]

word i somehow forgot how to spell.

[patent mango]

idk if smiite is best for learning how to psyker

[rustic helm]

i knew that

[patent mango]

but ig its worth trying all the stuff

[rustic helm]

probably not, but the lighting chains onto the horde and it's pretty to look at

[patent mango]

pretty colors yippie

[rustic helm]

[rustic helm]

yoink

[rustic helm]

double yoink

[brazen rampart]

A lot of people don't realize they get assail at level 3 and soulblaze doesn't care what level you are.

[brazen rampart]

Xcom enemy within?

Long war?

[radiant frigate]

Yes

[brazen rampart]

I couldn't get into long war 1.

It was really stupid that a grazing shot from a sectoid 30 tiles away in the first mission could still oneshot one of your guys.

While you're in full cover, btw.

[radiant frigate]

on the flipside a grazing shot from any of yours could also oneshot sectoids

it goes both ways

[brazen rampart]

Yeah but like 3% chance to hit is a thing.

Like I get that they're rookies but cmon man aiming a rifle isn't that hard.

[royal totem]

welp i failed a clutch ._.

but to be honest idk how i would have clutched that one

[jovial juniper]

A while ago, stagger broke universally

But FS fixed it

So this is what you might have noticed

But no, nothing nerfed

[zealous wing]

it was nice using force weapon pushes to knock crushers on their ass 😔

thats the real power fantasy i want

[full lichen]

i didnt even know it was a bug

was it really that broken doesnt everyone just run bubble

[rain wren]

Lol to be honest with you the rifles at that level takes a whole mag to destroy one special

[brazen rampart]

My point is, despite being soldiers, they couldn't hit the broad side of a barn if they were inside the barn.

[rain wren]

Lol

[brazen rampart]

So long war 1 was very, very hard to get into.

[rain wren]

I was like fuck it pull out axe at that level

[brazen rampart]

Exactly why lw2 mechanics are cooler.

Xcom 2 bringing melee to the table was such a peak decision.

[patent mango]

true true

[royal totem]

they don't do that anymore?

[zealous wing]

far as im aware its back to what its supposed to be

mild stagger, not heavy stagger

[royal totem]

............noooooooooo

damn

[zealous wing]

yeah they fixed it pretty quickly tbh

[royal totem]

are you playing hexis?

[zealous wing]

i am, kinda... though im mainly going through cosmetics so its probably bedtime soon

i tend to get real interested in putting things together before i get too tired to play :p

i have almost all the frames

[royal totem]

so close xD

[zealous wing]

looking like ill get the reaper bestiary done before the dodging

[royal totem]

i'm ....... super behind on killing reapers

[zealous wing]

"behind"

[royal totem]

also, can't seem to find a havoc tonight

[zealous wing]

this is the only stat you can say youre behind me on, because they were JUST added

everything else, doesnt count

this still hurts me

[royal totem]

lmao

i don't think i have that one

[royal totem]

i don't think i even have 500

[ripe obsidian]

What powers will I gain?

[ripe obsidian]

I can get on in a bit

[royal totem]

i'm suffering a problem called people keep deranking me 🙁

had a psyker that just dealt no damage in one game then the next had.......another psyker that dealt no damage

(the second was worse cuz it was 2 psykers that dealt no damage)

[normal matrix]

guys you're not gonna believe this

[ripe obsidian]

I can contribute to this problem

[royal totem]

oh no lmao

[radiant frigate]

if all goes well, mindfray

[ripe obsidian]

I do not understand

[normal matrix]

the max level is 30

[ripe obsidian]

What if it goes badly?

[royal totem]

that's havoc clearance i think not level

[ripe obsidian]

Oh. I have the True Level mod. I mostly see people in the hundreds.

[ripe obsidian]

It is.

[normal matrix]

i know but im in vanilla rn

[verbal thistle]

That is their havoc rank

[normal matrix]

ah clearance

[verbal thistle]

not level

[radiant frigate]

if so, nothing

[royal totem]

i just want to stop deranking 🙁

[strong gulch]

I can't promise about no deranking, but if you need a body I can play.

[royal totem]

depends if Six plays lol

[tulip kettle]

Why is bad? Seems like with the rot armour and blue stimms everywhere it wouldn't be awful?

[royal totem]

it doesn't help against blue stims btw

[tulip kettle]

Unless it doesn't work in some way... You're gonna tell me it doesn't work

[royal totem]

cuz blue stims is straight 80% damage reduction

rending and brittleness don't do shit

according to Six

iirc

[tulip kettle]

Well that makes sense

But still, most people with inferno are terrible at stacking uncanny when it's needed to clear the crusher blobs

Seems like it would mitigate that problem in some small way

[solid pond]

just win

[royal totem]

as for other than rot armor......something something ADM on staffs in general is so good that the only thing it would help with is carapace and because it's 5% every 20% peril or something like that? i think?

I'm just quoting people smarter than me so don't take my word as gospel

[royal totem]

wow 😮 enlightening advice

[tulip kettle]

NGL I don't use it but the guy was asking for a build for his friend who proceeded to use it with trauma anyway so was a complete waste of time

[solid pond]

https://tenor.com/view/hannibal-buress-right-booing-gif-13861878

[tulip kettle]

And yeah sure but that's actually wrong

Even 10% rending on inferno doubles your DPS Vs crushers

It's still pitiful

But makes you slightly less useless when you're bad and refuse to stab things to uncanny stack

[royal totem]

stabbing things? do you take me for an imbecile? just bad jokes cuz i play loner psyker

[tulip kettle]

It's pretty satisfying when you set the armour blob on fire then stab one a few times with your uncanny DS and they all just go "squish" in a giant fart cloud

I feel like POTS is that but, much less

[solid pond]

uncultured DS uncanny needer

Deimos my beloved

[tulip kettle]

Yeah but Deimos stacks it too slowly imo

[cosmic cobalt]

deimos still want uncunny

[tulip kettle]

Though knocking them down is funny

[royal totem]

i don't use DS

[solid pond]

yeah, but you can stack it from 9m away while also keeping power up because of superiority

[tulip kettle]

Just, when I'm tryna use Deimos to knock em down

[solid pond]

nothing beats it for soulblaze builds

[tulip kettle]

And there's 30 of em

It's just not gonna cut it

Rather my agile uncanny DS and stay alive

BOO

[royal totem]

how from 9m away?

[tulip kettle]

HISS

[solid pond]

push attack

[tulip kettle]

This guy uses agile, stone him

[solid pond]

always a headshot and reaches out to 9m

[solid pond]

skill issue

[tulip kettle]

Thats even worse

Stacking it with push attack

Bleurgh

[plucky flax]

Just ignore crushers and let team kill them

[tulip kettle]

Doesn't work

I am party finder scrub I essentially don't have a team

[plucky flax]

Same

Lead crushers to teammates. They'd have to do something about them

[royal totem]

hmmm........ okay!! leads crushers to AgentChaos

[solid pond]

https://tenor.com/view/jaimer-animation-creepy-creepy-cat-hiss-gif-16442753164230571901

[plucky flax]

N-not me

[royal totem]

you said lead them to other people!

[tulip kettle]

this was earlier

havoc 35!

with 3 other lvl 40 true surviviors!

2/3rds of the way through the map!

how win

[solid pond]

kill enemy and don't die

[tulip kettle]

im too bad

[royal totem]

if Catmiral helps you it's a guaranteed win! 😛

this is a joke

[solid pond]

Ive played like, one game with you guys and the server crashed but I had no damage taken before that so

get better servers

[royal totem]

yeah........

these servers will be the death of me

i might have won a havoc 29 today if the servers didn't DC one person 🙁

but that's just useless speculation

[strong gulch]

Get 2014ed

have 3013

[tulip kettle]

ba-ding

out of memory error

[strong gulch]

have your ability not show up

get stuck in an attack animation

[tulip kettle]

oh im sorry darktide, 12gb vram and 64gb of ram wasnt enough for you?

[strong gulch]

crash the game yourself as an offering to the machine god

[tulip kettle]

fuck ALL THE WAY off

[royal totem]

you need 32gb of vram and 256 ram clearly

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/of-course-jim-carrey-funny-gif-12918652202164233594

[royal totem]

disclaimer, i don't have that much vram or that much ram. it's why i crash so much

[solid pond]

no

the game is just ass

[tulip kettle]

i dont know of any cards with that much vram

[solid pond]

when star citizen runs better than you, you know you're doing something wrong

[keen bronze]

Hello erm any general tips for someone learning psyker?

[tulip kettle]

dont get hit

[royal totem]

i know. it was just a bad joke

[tulip kettle]

dont explode yourself

[solid pond]

live and kill enemy

[keen bronze]

What's the benefits of not getting hit

[tulip kettle]

you stay alive

[solid pond]

not dying

[keen bronze]

I'm taking notes thanks guys

[tulip kettle]

meaning you get to do the silly DPS psyker is known for

[keen bronze]

Is the flame staff any good

[solid pond]

psyker isn't as squishy damage reduction wise anymore but it was very much a get hit twice and you're almost dead lol

flame staff is the best weapon in the game

[tulip kettle]

really though what sort of tips were you hoping for

[solid pond]

not even kidding

purg staff is nuts

[tulip kettle]

flame staff is good in high havoc becaue of density

[royal totem]

yeah so ummm psyker positioning matters a lot. you don't want to get hit cuz you stay alive longer. and try not to blow up cuz you also can down and then die. other than that.....make sure you stick with your team and flame staff is really good. builds are in the pins if you're looking for them

[tulip kettle]

its actually kinda poop in lower difficulties

[solid pond]

flame staff is good everywhere because it kills things

[tulip kettle]

disagree

[solid pond]

Ill never understand that mentality lol, its gonna kill things in lower difficulty just as much

[keen bronze]

I was really just wondering if the power relic sword is good on later difficulties and how I can maximize one shot potential with the sword

[tulip kettle]

it doesnt kill stuff fast

[solid pond]

💀

[tulip kettle]

yes FGS is very good

[solid pond]

thats zealot

[tulip kettle]

it wont 1 shot big stuff in laterr difficulties no matter how you build it

[keen bronze]

The soul suck sword

[solid pond]

force greatsword is psyker

[keen bronze]

Idk man plz

[tulip kettle]

but its a very meta choice anyway

[keen bronze]

Not the great sword with the slash but the other kne

[tulip kettle]

oh, the normal force swords

[royal totem]

i hate FGS

[tulip kettle]

are just kinda worse FGS

[solid pond]

you just mean a non illisi force sword

[keen bronze]

The smaller one that like has the yeah normal force

[ripe obsidian]

Blue stims are flat DR, not affected by ADMs or rending

[keen bronze]

Yeah I hate the great sword moveset 💔

[solid pond]

they're good for specific uses, or the illisi is funny for stacking slaughterer and superiority

[tulip kettle]

i mean, what

[ripe obsidian]

And rotten armor enemies are still flak, which inferno has like 150% ADMs against

[royal totem]

FINALLY SOMEBODY THAT AGREES WITH ME LMAO

[tulip kettle]

the mk6 has a great moveset

and what, rot rmour crushers are flak not cara?

[ripe obsidian]

Blue stims are just -80% damage taken. Rending does nothing. It's dumb.

[tulip kettle]

since when?

[ripe obsidian]

Maulers and ragers are flak

[tulip kettle]

oh yeah but fuk em

they die anyway

ngl i dnt use POTS for the reasons i said

[keen bronze]

Thank you very much I will be taking all of this into consideration

[tulip kettle]

but for people struggling with crusher blobs who dont know how to uncanny stack it seems it has value

idk

[ripe obsidian]

I am logging in now. I'll also need to add some stuff to the guide tonight

[royal totem]

dunno, do we even have 2 more people? lmao.

[ripe obsidian]

I don't think the damage increase versus crushers is worth it

[tulip kettle]

right not for me either

but for someone struggling in low havoc to just play psyker it seems taking their dps from 30 to 70 is worthwhile

[ripe obsidian]

I mean, 70 DPS will still be ~100 seconds to kill a single crusher

[tulip kettle]

oh for sure

[solid pond]

https://tenor.com/view/jaimer-animation-creepy-creepy-cat-hiss-gif-16442753164230571901

[tulip kettle]

but they arent gonna do anything else

[royal totem]

is this when i ask Catmiral for help? lmao

[strong gulch]

@ripe obsidian @royal totem Let me know if another body is needed. I'm feeling well enough to play.

[tulip kettle]

anyway they ended up using the build with a rending trauma and exploding themselves anyway

so was a complete waste of time

[plucky flax]

Tru

[royal totem]

how do you know they exploded themselves? 😮

[tulip kettle]

the guy came back and said they did

[ripe obsidian]

welp

[royal totem]

ah i see i must have missed that

[tulip kettle]

i can also jump in for a game or 2 if its US E or EU

[ripe obsidian]

I am about

[solid pond]

Id prefer EU over US E if im joining lol

US E was sad last time

[tulip kettle]

100 ping very playable

200 not so much

[solid pond]

or maybe west

[royal totem]

i THINK that was USw btw

[solid pond]

yeah

makes more sense

E is fine, EU is fine, asia is mostly fine if its not HK

[solid pond]

200 ping but stable is fine

[royal totem]

just request to join when you're in?

[tulip kettle]

lol nah its not

[solid pond]

I did true survivor on 220

[tulip kettle]

when i press swap weapon and it just eats it constantly because of the ping

is no fun

[solid pond]

thats just instability

I play on that ping pretty regularly and can assure you its fine

[royal totem]

guess i'm inviting potato and catmiral?

[strong gulch]

up too you

[solid pond]

as long as its not W im down

[plucky flax]

I only play EU server because I am a racist.

Discrimination against high ping.

[fierce crest]

eu is the most racist continent, true

[cosmic cobalt]

they have the balkan

[plucky flax]

@deft stump don't stare I might play SEA server in december if I have time.

You can carry me on home soil.

[royal totem]

thanks for saving me from deranking @solid pond @ripe obsidian @strong gulch

sadly it's super late here atm so i probably should sleep

[ripe obsidian]

Take thy rest

[royal totem]

crushers are such fun killers though 🙁

[strong gulch]

Ye. Thanks for the game.

[royal totem]

i was like "melee twin. cool. i can handle that." then 3 crushers came and i'm like .....uhhhhhhhhh

[solid pond]

just shock mine them

shrimple as

[strong gulch]

I am really dizzy. So it's for the best to step away from the game for me anyways. 🫡

[royal totem]

i keep thinking shock mine doesn't work against stinky crushers even though there's no reason to think that

[solid pond]

it'd let you single out the boss lol

shrimple vet carry

whoever set that first daemonhost off is lucky I existed lol

[royal totem]

also for some reason in the first part of game i thought you were also playing psyker lol

[solid pond]

I joined as psyk

[royal totem]

think that was Six

[ripe obsidian]

It was not me

[strong gulch]

I thought that all of the DH triggers were on purpose lol.

[ripe obsidian]

It wasn't aggro'd on me

[solid pond]

first one was not me

second I killed because I could

[royal totem]

it wasn't on me either so no clue

[solid pond]

[royal totem]

i think Catmiral likes soloing demonhosts

btw, how'd you get such nutty demonhost damage? 😮

[solid pond]

shoot it

hope this helps

[strong gulch]

With a real ass gun.

[royal totem]

._.

i keep considering switching from exterminator shotgun to bolt pistol. for some reason i just don't like no targetting reticle when bolt pistol is "stabilized"

or i guess braced is the term

[solid pond]

wat

Bolt pistol does not brace, has reticle in hip fire and has irons for ADS

[ripe obsidian]

I don't like that I can't ADS with plasma gun. I suck at aiming so much. Shaky hands. Damn you, genetics

[solid pond]

so I dunno what you mean

[royal totem]

well when you right click bolt pistol is it not braced or something?

[tulip kettle]

im shooting in its general direction

[solid pond]

no lol

[tulip kettle]

surely one of these plasma shots will kill the sniper?

splat

ah

[solid pond]

whole ass aim down sights

[tulip kettle]

yeah bistol has relatively good irons

[ripe obsidian]

I didn't know you were in that last game

[royal totem]

huh.

[solid pond]

the recoil is fucked but it has irons

[solid pond]

he's in your walls

[ripe obsidian]

It has good irons on the mastery skin. Bad irons on the default

[tulip kettle]

i assume everyone uses the trijicon ones if they have em

[strong gulch]

Dom sees all ngl

[tulip kettle]

my beloved told me 🙂

he also told me you need to eat your veggies and brush your teeth for 3 whole minutes

stop skimping

[plucky flax]

Damn I only do it for 2 mins

British life

[strong gulch]

I ate a whole bowl of peas.

[ripe obsidian]

2 minutes is what's recommended

[royal totem]

dump stat on bolt pistol?

[plucky flax]

Mobility or radius

[tulip kettle]

collateral = radius

[plucky flax]

Collateral*

[royal totem]

ummm what perks and what blessings?

also which of the two marks?

[tulip kettle]

depends what youre going for on it

[royal totem]

i just pull out things to kill gunners and shoot specialists really. or shooting burgles

[tulip kettle]

so probably flak and unyielding

surgical is good if you actually spend time aiming

i prefer point blank for quickswaps

[royal totem]

puncture good or no?

[tulip kettle]

it can be

[royal totem]

also, which mark

[tulip kettle]

the one that does more dmg and doesnt do explosions

4 i think

[royal totem]

hmmm i see

[tulip kettle]

bleed is good for extra boss dps and doing the last tick of damage you often need to finish stuff you shot

but we dont have much bleed synergy so execution can also be good

[royal totem]

i see

i guess i'll run puncture and point blank

[tulip kettle]

thats what i run

[royal totem]

oh this is on arb btw

[tulip kettle]

oh then idk

maybe its different im not sure

likely not though

[royal totem]

but i assume it works much the same

yeah ok the irons on the mastery skin are fine

but god damn

on the default

[tulip kettle]

which reminds me i should check out the new helbore irons

[royal totem]

by nature i don't generally use mastery skins and such cuz i uhhh like to appear as nooby as possible

[tulip kettle]

you mean you dont spend thousands of aquilas on pointless skins for your weapons?

https://tenor.com/view/the-boys-s4-homelander-cough-disgust-gif-15540398707739933423

[rain wren]

Heresy

[royal totem]

nopeeeee

fatsharks cash shop makes me not want to spend money

[tulip kettle]

erm, excuse me

the same skin but in 6 slightly differing colours is peak design

[rain wren]

Lol I only found 2 skins I like for psyker anyways

[tulip kettle]

but dont worry

in the next patch they will fix 30 different extremely minor clipping issues and no server or gameplay issues

business as usual

[plucky flax]

The ice blade fgs is cool.

[royal totem]

i have only 1 outfit i want from the cash shop and it's not in rotation

[rain wren]

You think they are going to come out with a new darktide before they fix anything? Lol

[royal totem]

Darktide II......in the second hive city

[plucky flax]

This scorpion ahh fit is nice too though
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1366814673114239017/image.png?ex=68f0759c&is=68ef241c&hm=0b0f458aed6e4b07bae1425ccb12ef5ae2c829a40fa5d41fc883d745c26e6170&

[tulip kettle]

FINISH HIM

[rain wren]

Reminds me of the witcher wearing scorpions fit

[royal totem]

I hape nothing to buy

Cuz i play too much arb

[strong gulch]

Cosmetics now bob in and out of the player's line of sight, preventing the player from being able to use the tag function.

-FS probably

[gray juniper]

I hate to say it but I’m going to out Darktide down for a minute

It’s aggravating seeing how well helldivers boots and plays while I feel like I’m struggling against the game itself when I’m playing tide

[rain wren]

Always good to take a breather

[gray juniper]

It’s more of a fun atmosphere for me personally, but it’s stress inducing at times when you can feel like a drag on the team because your performance is ass

[rain wren]

It's a game It's meant to be fun if it feels otherwise then taking a break can help you get some peace and when you are sane again can always return to it

[plucky flax]

Dt is more serious

Hd2 is whatever when you lose its funny

[acoustic jacinth]

It's impressive how most modern 40k games always have some kinda issue that is never fixed, or a mistake that always keeps being made

[cosmic cobalt]

hd2 is kinda infuriating

[acoustic jacinth]

Hd2's odd

I never really got into it

Not my type of game's pace and gameplay probably

[cosmic cobalt]

high difficulty is not very fun

also there no incentive to y'know cooperative

in a coop game

[rain wren]

Yes in hd2 they can leave you dead

And you can lose out on some rewards

And friendly fire

[cosmic cobalt]

also performance is dogshit

[rain wren]

Hell even your own turrets can kill you

[cosmic cobalt]

I'm fine with the friendly fire

they're non issue

the big problem with hd2 for me is like it take so long to actually unlock fun stuff

or unlock good weapon

[ripe obsidian]

Veteran is unhappy about not having bubble, as he's struggling with specials. I relent and pick bubble. He doesn't kill the specials.

[rain wren]

Lol

[royal totem]

LOL. Sounds like a vet

[ripe obsidian]

He died to a dog pounce

[rain wren]

Good doggy

[ripe obsidian]

Maybe I am just a salty Psyker, but I feel like if people can't survive H40 with VoC and Book and Nuncio and shock mines and still need bubble, maybe the lack of bubble isn't the issue

[cosmic cobalt]

Man™ i miss being able to play dt

[acoustic jacinth]

Classy scoreboard

[acoustic jacinth]

Definitely tbh lol

I am NEVER touching support abilities llike a little gremlin

Well minus VoC because my cutthroat vet says some cool ass voiceline

[ripe obsidian]

I generally find that I win and lose the same amounts on bubble and shriek

[languid pine]

anyone who says golden toughness is required for havoc are the same people who willingly stand in front of a door during a surge with 4 poxbursters on the field

[quartz barn]

Bubble has a higher succesrate for me

But really depends on what you play

[cosmic cobalt]

you don't need them to win but having them is way easier

[wraith sphinx]

I mean same goes for the rest of the game

[cosmic cobalt]

with even universal cdr nerf piss toughness is still good

[quartz barn]

Because it didnt change how effective it is

Also just have 2 people with book or voc and you dont even notice the difference

Same for bubble

[long saddle]

I've had runs without bubble but idt I've had runs without piss

[quartz barn]

Like wow i went from being able to have 4 bubbles up at all times vs 1.5 - 2

[cosmic cobalt]

wdym

nothing changed for psyker

pa still work as is for psyker

[nocturne dust]

Nah, just a playstyle thing. None of the things you mentioned aid much against ranged attacks, lol.

[quartz barn]

4 bubbles was before the global cd nerf

[summer prairie]

on average you probably get the same amount of bubbles but not spikes of 4

more specials/elites to kill now too

[quartz barn]

Was possible before but that was a while ago

[cosmic cobalt]

but literally nothing changes for psyker?????

[long saddle]

I mean there's no double PA available, but not that many ran 2 psykers

[cosmic cobalt]

what

[quartz barn]

Yes thats my point

[ripe obsidian]

Most of my losses come from either a crusher conga line that no one can deal with or people ignoring special spawns to fight a horde I am already burning

In this case, I had 2 bubbles up on the end event location and the vet sprinted out of them to pet the doggy

[ripe obsidian]

Many of the people who require bubble also don't seem to understand that it only lasts 6.6 seconds if they don't help me deal with the ranged enemies.

I'm just grumpy

[nocturne dust]

True

[ripe obsidian]

In the previous game, between Shriek and Deimos PA I managed to kill like 4 crushers and survive the ranged twin, plus a horde and whatever ragers and maulers, while 2 of my 3 allies died in a 3v1 with the melee twin. Then they say how much the game sucks without bubble and that it's miserable to have Psykers who don't use it.

So I say >:(

[nocturne dust]

I mean, bubble is pretty nice

my favorite QoL ability

[ripe obsidian]

Bubble is very strong

I do not disagree

It's probably better than any other combat ability except maybe book for randoms.

[nocturne dust]

I think it's better than book tbh

Randoms are just so very vulnerable to ranged enemies

[cosmic cobalt]

book is probably the one thing that actually fell off this update imo

but it can still good for ledging boss

2 voc was the best composition before and this update pretty much solidified it

[plucky flax]

Most of my losses is because I die and there's no damage so I need to do the most damage which is playing shriek

[ripe obsidian]

I have learned this. It's frustrating. Pls, do not run straight into the ranged enemies. There is a side path to flank them. This is H40. You should know the map.

[cosmic cobalt]

I don't

[ripe obsidian]

This is also true. I die and the team folds under the horde

[cosmic cobalt]

I still win

[plucky flax]

Should sprint to range enemies and suppress them

[ripe obsidian]

I did. And I killed them.

[solid pond]

were you the psyker earlier?

[plucky flax]

Veri based. Can't lose that way

[ripe obsidian]

In our game? I was the other vet

[solid pond]

ok good

[plucky flax]

The psyker was me

[cosmic cobalt]

the best defence is killing everything before they have a chance to kill you

[plucky flax]

Pls no flame

[ripe obsidian]

Why?

[solid pond]

was just going to be funny if you were saying this if you were the psyker is all

[ripe obsidian]

I mean, I was still being dumb. I forgot which grenades I had and stood in a gunner's line of fire for no reason

[solid pond]

psyker pancake special move

[plucky flax]

It was me

Sry sir

[ripe obsidian]

I had to remember how to play the game. I think I did fine after like 10 minutes

First 10 minutes were rough

[solid pond]

when shredders shredded things got shredded

crazy

1k kills on a vet when we have a purg psyker is rough

[ripe obsidian]

Like I said, I am just grumpy about changing to bubble only for the team not to use the bubbles

[ripe obsidian]

Did I have that many? I forget

[solid pond]

just place them on the enemies

[plucky flax]

Thats why you dont change and make the vet go smoke

[solid pond]

yea, more I think, 1k lessers

[plucky flax]

Never change yourself bro

[ripe obsidian]

"Why aren't my grenades sticking to enemies?!" - me

[ripe obsidian]

Neat. Grenade spam is fun.

[ripe obsidian]

He didn't want to lose killing power against bosses and crushers. =|

[solid pond]

oh not 1k lessers but over 1k

[ripe obsidian]

Says 1.0k lessers

[solid pond]

lmao I looked at the wrong thing

remembered the right thing

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-jarvis-skill-issue-skill-issue-gif-24471438

[ripe obsidian]

Anyway, I am working on getting better at positioning and making sure I have a path to back up

I am also trying Quietude in lieu of Immaterial Focus.

[solid pond]

I just switched out quietude for vulnerable minds

700 damage ticks on crushers with full stacked uncanny and superiority is pretty funny

[ripe obsidian]

Oh, I already have vulnerable minds

[nocturne dust]

I need more talent points

why are there so many tax nodes

[ripe obsidian]

So Big Heretic can take your hard-earned points

[long saddle]

it's like one more than the other classes to get to your keystones

[wraith sphinx]

Yeah too much

[ripe obsidian]

I am doing this, with the last point in Quietude or Immaterial Focus. Was in Just a Dream, but I kinda feel like that node is a trap. Great damage reduction from ranged enemies plinking at you, but it kept knocking me into critical peril from stuff like spending 1 second in pox gas and preventing me from casting--or just causing me to blow myself up

[wraith sphinx]

Fatshark hates psykers

[fallen osprey]

I feel like it's actually nicely done. You have to make choices 😄

[long saddle]

zealot has way more dead ends tho

[fallen osprey]

But not toomuch either

[ripe obsidian]

They mentioned in a blog that their design philosophy is that they want players to wish they had a few more points because they can't get everything they want.

[long saddle]

arbys are the excessively flat trees

[solid pond]

it made me kill myself once and I stopped using it

[fallen osprey]

Which is, Imo, a good things 😄

[long saddle]

KD is usually the big tax talent to get

[plucky flax]

Whoever host has the power i guess

[long saddle]

people did it in old tree but are less willing now

[ripe obsidian]

Seems like everyone is encountering that problem. @plucky flax said the same.

[fallen osprey]

is this a good place to share H40 gameplay vid ? I did some on psyker that might or might not interessest other psyker players 😄

[ripe obsidian]

I might go through my guide and downgrade JaD to yellow on staffker builds

[solid pond]

depends what you want to get out of sharing it lol

[plucky flax]

Let karien watch and get flamed

She'd call you noob

[ripe obsidian]

Also, @solid pond , I think it was you who made me realize PA on force swords caused Uncanny to go off. Which is stupid, but good to know.

So thank you

[long saddle]

wait how does that work

[ripe obsidian]

If you get a force sword push attack on an enemy's head, Uncanny stacks up

It's very silly

[solid pond]

not even on their head

if you hit them, its a weakspot hit

[ripe obsidian]

Wait, really?

Wtf

[solid pond]

right in the toes

[languid pine]

amazing work fatshark

[summer prairie]

what, have you been aiming your push attacks at their heads

[ripe obsidian]

Yes. D:

[solid pond]

[nocturne dust]

How....
🙂
🤏 🕶️
😎
Uncanny

[languid pine]

me showing my five fingers to the crusher patrol repeatedly

[ripe obsidian]

That's such a dumb interaction

[solid pond]

[summer prairie]

not very useful unless you are completely cornered by 5 crushers

[solid pond]

doing that to a armour horde stacks uncanny, makes smaller shit die even faster, stacks up superiority and then everything dies

[summer prairie]

or already have 5 stacks and are backing away

[ripe obsidian]

Happened to me earlier

[solid pond]

I find it useful to have as a tool anyway, the range it gives you is alot of safety

[long saddle]

oh I thought you meant psykinetics aura with PA, not push attack lol

[solid pond]

[plucky flax]

You didn't know this?

[quartz barn]

Time to make a new guide

[white valley]

More reasons to giga nerf uncanny

Maybe I should remove uncanny from my builds as a protest

[fierce dew]

holy Tzeentch the Blaze Forcesword makes the funny bit in my brain go :D

also am I the only one which does the Stub Revolver Greatsword combo?

cause the Stub Revolver fucks

[fallen osprey]

Did it a long time ago, I don't anymore, not in havoc 😄

[fierce dew]

it goes SO hard

[fallen osprey]

The gun is fine, but not effectiv enough for what I m looking for !

[fierce dew]

fair enough

I like it cause I can fan it on a Ogryn and do SO much damage

[fallen osprey]

Or just use your GS ! 😄

[fierce dew]

yea but theirs the occasional uh... "big ogryn covered in sheet metal that bounces my attacks"

[upbeat kestrel]

use heavy attacks

then

[fierce dew]

fanning them kills them faster

unironically

[upbeat kestrel]

it wont on higher lvl

[fierce dew]

yea but uh

for now its fine

when i go higher difficulties im gunna swap to the Bolt Pistol

[upbeat kestrel]

or swap eh mark on the revolver to zarona

[fierce dew]

...mark?

[upbeat kestrel]

yes mark

open your inventry click on the item to see it closer and you should have 3 tabs.
mar/version (depends on translation)
cosmetics
inspect

click mark/version

[fierce dew]

oh

[upbeat kestrel]

also if you wanna play im over than strike team 6

[fierce dew]

does the Zarona do the fan thing as well?

[upbeat kestrel]

nope

[fierce dew]

keeping the agripinaa then

[upbeat kestrel]

its more of a anti special gun

[fierce dew]

yea ive built it around DPS rather then single shot

[upbeat kestrel]

zarona when it comes to blessing you want surgical and hand cannon

[fierce dew]

i need to save plasteel jffc

[fierce dew]

Good lord Soulblaze is good

….whats it do tho I know it does DoT but how much?

Also does it feel like Psyker is meant to be a “screw everyone in this general area” class? Cause it feels like it’s meant for crowd control

[rain wren]

It's good for cc and highest dps as well

[fierce dew]

I’ve done it on a Force Greatsword blender build if that means anything

[rain wren]

Just be mindful of your peril

[fierce dew]

I think I also got a perk which electrocutes nearby enemies when I do melee?

[fierce dew]

It’s alright I do occasionally hit F when I get swarmed

Wait are you meaning the Psyker power? Cause I’m using Smite

[rain wren]

Yes

The percentage

[fierce dew]

I’ve got stuff which triggers Soulblaze and it doesn’t build peril

I actually want peril cause I take less damage with higher peril

At Crit peril I take like no damage

[rain wren]

When it hits 100% you have a small time frame to quell

[fierce dew]

Honest to god that window is like way more then 5 seconds for me

[rain wren]

If you let it stay too long you die

[fierce dew]

I do quell it but I like to stick around the 80-96 range in melee

Because I think I get more crit with more peril as well

[rain wren]

Yes high peril more damage etc

[fierce dew]

Ye

Legit in melee I’m a literal blender

And then I warpshock slash tier 2 and kill literally everything

[obtuse dome]

Isnt crucian roulette better then surgical?

Especially when magdumping

[long saddle]

zarona wants slow aiming tho

[fierce dew]

Yea it’s why I prefer the Agripinnaa

[obtuse dome]

Skill issue

Hand cannon needs 2 shots to proc tho

[long saddle]

doesn't have anything to do with skill, surgical is just very good

[obtuse dome]

Ik im joking

Its just handcannon needs 2 shots so crucian roulette is better for that combo imo

So you can proc it faster

[long saddle]

think I'd rather run point blank than expend a whole clip

[obtuse dome]

Its for boss killing

And its five rounds it aint too bad

[long saddle]

the reload is slow on zarona

just go agri if you wanna magdump

[obtuse dome]

I dont like agri

No ads

I dont mind the reload tbh

[long saddle]

neither, but it isn't a boss killer

[obtuse dome]

It can be

It does massive dmg

It also kills every gunner with ease

And can kill crushers and other ogryn fast

Thats all you need on zealot

I run it with evis or relic

[long saddle]

we're in psyker chat buddy

[obtuse dome]

True

I may have been confused

[tulip kettle]

i think we played together the other day

with your friend goose and the useless 4th

ascension riser kicking our ass

[tulip kettle]

i have this but drop warp ghost to get KD because you know im a KD scrub

[solid pond]

WG my beloved

[tulip kettle]

dont get me wrong i think its valid

[plucky flax]

Anyone wanna play? I have 1 or maybe 2 games in me.

Super pro havoc time.

[tulip kettle]

but 2 stam vs using peril as stam is a difficult choice to make

tempted but i am very heavy

[plucky flax]

Magistrati purple rot.

Pog

Gonna be like 4 mils damage probably

[summer prairie]

I'll play

[tulip kettle]

am i allowed to boring inferno bubble scrub gameplay?

[plucky flax]

No I am playing inferno.

Are you coming? If so I have to disband (dom)

Cos I got 2 random guys atm

[plucky flax]

You can play shriek inferno if you want.

I'd go bubble knight.

Or arby.

[tulip kettle]

aight bet

[plucky flax]

Don't play bubble.

It's shit damage.

[tulip kettle]

i prefer shriek if theres another bubble user

[plucky flax]

Okay I go bubble knight for you.

[tulip kettle]

❤️

[solemn sluice]

Me: Trying to make funny german man as a psyker

can't do the funny name

so i did Ratler instead

[obtuse dome]

Try alfons hettler

[solemn sluice]

nah didn't work

[marble crater]

Ah yes, so funny and original

Some people have no shame at all I guess

[solemn sluice]

i was gonna go with Ratler

because its goofy as shit

and no expects it

does this work

for in terms of looks

[weary idol]

psyker is the "I am actually better than everyone else" class

especially gun psyker

competent gun psyker play straight up your teammates don't have to do anything just go solo the entire mission

[languid pine]

it used to be the glass cannon class until they removed the glass and so its a cannon now

[weary idol]

And now after the skill tree changes you're not even squishy to compensate!

[languid pine]

psyker is also just

not hard to play in general

not like any of the classes are hard to play

[white valley]

I think that is a take coloured by heavy bias tbh

Sure I don't find any of the classes hard to play, but I have 1k hours

[weary idol]

I genuinely still think that full dog build on arbites has a quite high skill ceiling

[solemn sluice]

i made the perfect name

[weary idol]

Skill floor is like...just let your dog do whatever

Skill Ceiling is utilizing DOG TECH, and making sure it never stays pounced on an enemy

Since the vast majority of its damage is from the initial pounce

actually I wonder if they patched the infinite range arbites dog pounce

would be lame if they did but unsurprising

[solemn sluice]

my Psyker is German

[weary idol]

yes

everyone in this game has british accents

except for the psykers

because they're outsiders you see

[solemn sluice]

male loner psyker is my fav

with the high pitch voice

[languid pine]

tbf i fully agree because i have 2k hours in vermintide

[thorn cedar]

sienna mains rise up

[languid pine]

🤝

[white valley]

I don't have that many but there is no doubt that my 400-500 hours in VT2 translated to way better play in Darktide

Especially defensive play

[quartz barn]

[plucky flax]

I told this guy he played good and now he's trolling me.

[thorn cedar]

6000+hrs of Tide games has does nothing for my Battlefield skills lmao

[obtuse dome]

Personally i found psyker the hardest to master especially before update

[thorn cedar]

The first two days I was actually trying to dodge enemies in CQB

Also turns out sprint sliding doesn't make you invulnerable to bullets in all games, who knew.

[fallen osprey]

Maybe we did yes !

[thorn cedar]

just wanna be done with work today so i can keep grinding that RPK

[solemn sluice]

My funny German Man

[quartz barn]

2.5h left

[languid pine]

id say vermintide teaches you the melee fundementals way, way better than darktide

[white valley]

Absolutely

[marble crater]

[languid pine]

aint no way brother

[thorn cedar]

https://youtu.be/XiHw7MrTx30?si=vAS4DUJqilCDJXJt

no i really was lmao

[solemn sluice]

Yeah but honestly i perfer darktide over vermtide mainly for the setting

[languid pine]

i always give up trying to get kills on battlefield

[white valley]

Dodge dancing, kiting, the simple skill of holding block and dodging at the same time

[thorn cedar]

some dude would get in my face and id hit spacebar to make distance

[languid pine]

my favourite pass-time is going medic and only reviving

[thorn cedar]

then i jump in place and fucken die

muscle memory

[solemn sluice]

killing rats was fun, but killing heretics are even more fun

[fallen osprey]

I m usually play "Warpsycho" or "ScryersGazeEnjoyer" when I want to go full melee and don't want to trap anyone without bubble 😄

[languid pine]

exactly yea

[thorn cedar]

the rats had so much personality tho

i miss the rats

[marble crater]

That's not how you spell skill issue

[solemn sluice]

Honestly we need another faction to fight

[white valley]

I still see players in DT who crumble when monstrosities aggro on them, especially DHs

[thorn cedar]

slay-flay man things!

[dusk timber]

Hope you can improve your aim

[white valley]

And like, that is an essential skill in VT2, you have to be able to handle monstrosity aggro

[thorn cedar]

idk my kda is almost back up to 3

im doin ok

[solemn sluice]

Me: Run like a little bitch as i get my face hammered by one is chasing me at mark 10

[white valley]

Don't run

[languid pine]

a lot of dt players dont do well under melee pressure i figured

[white valley]

Hold block and dodge in a CIRCLE

[languid pine]

just from playing auric and havoc aswell

[solemn sluice]

Yeha i usally do

[white valley]

So your team can kill it

[solemn sluice]

I was just trying to be funny

[white valley]

Nothing more infuriating than someone aggroing a DH and they just run away

[solemn sluice]

Absolutely running into s machine gunner like a deer in headlights

And then you wonder why your down

[languid pine]

the increased movement options also just makes darktide more

idk how to put this

and i dont want to say forgiving either

[white valley]

Yesterday in Havoc 36 a mutie threw me, as psyker, into a DH, and we got a captain + burgle + horde at the same time

[languid pine]

its definitely another skillset to learn

[solemn sluice]

Rip

[white valley]

And everyone survived because I just blocked and dodged the DH in a circle

Team killed it and we went back to work

[solemn sluice]

I gotta get a character to max lvl i get close to it and then like lets start again

Im thinking of running Blazeforce Sword with shotgun for my psyker

[languid pine]

do whatever you want it should work fine on psyker

[white valley]

It both is and isn't

[solemn sluice]

Also why did the talent trees get hit again

They feel so eh

Like why did they cut them shorter

[white valley]

You can outsprint hordes in DT which is way more forgiving than VT2, but you also have to know how to vault and slide

[solemn sluice]

Idk how to word it

[white valley]

Talent trees are literally way better than before

[solemn sluice]

Well VT2 is technically more slower because everyone in that game is using much older technology compared to darktide

[solemn sluice]

Fair point

[languid pine]

vt2 is technically more slower and also more mechanically demanding because there's no easy way out of a horde

[obtuse dome]

Vt2 is more difficoult imo

[languid pine]

ie. in darktide i can take the dueling sword and movetech to escape from a crusher patrol because im just that much faster

[obtuse dome]

But dt just feels better

[languid pine]

in vermintide i have to face the chaos warrior patrol head on or i get 9 running attacks on me

i still prefer vt2 since i dont get that same

rush of adrenaline

[white valley]

VT2 lets you block overheads though

[languid pine]

for hordes or ambience or whatever

[obtuse dome]

I prefer vt1 over 2

I dont like chaos

Or beastmen

[languid pine]

thats reasonable

[solemn sluice]

I don’t get why my friends enjoyed vt2 and won’t pick up darktide :(

[languid pine]

no one likes beastmen

[white valley]

I like VT2 but the peer to peer can suck my nuts

[solemn sluice]

Oh 100%

That game always felt so scuffed

[obtuse dome]

Oh lord and dont get me started on vermintide matchmakimg

[solemn sluice]

In terms of connection wise

[languid pine]

i never had connection issues on vt2

[obtuse dome]

Thats shit is abysmall

[languid pine]

i had way more disconnects on darktide

[obtuse dome]

Not dc wise

[languid pine]

my highest record was 14 disconnects in one havoc game

[loud girder]

peer to peer sounds better than DT's servers

[obtuse dome]

Joining a lonby that doesnt ise the character u wanna pla

[languid pine]

and it was a havoc 40 run aswell

[solemn sluice]

I don’t get why darktide is cpu heavy

[languid pine]

all of the tide games are cpu heavy

[solemn sluice]

whyy

[languid pine]

in vt2 your cpu would actually affect how hard the ai is

[solemn sluice]

Wtf

WHY?

Why is that a THING

[obtuse dome]

Say i wanna play the dwarf or whatever and i hit quickplay in vt i will 90% get put in a team where that exact char is taken

[languid pine]

its more-or-less tied to your fps

[solemn sluice]

Wouldn’t that be your gpu???

[languid pine]

of course you wont notice this on official realm unless your pc is from the mideval ages

[loud girder]

lots of things on screen, lots of gore and lots of physics

[solemn sluice]

Or am i dumb

[languid pine]

oversimplification

[white valley]

I much prefer DT's servers over VT2's peer to peer

[loud girder]

DT's servers are literally the worst servers in any online game i play

[languid pine]

i still prefer p2p over servers just because of how many times the servers have failed me

[loud girder]

you know its bad when fromsoft has better servers in nightreign

[white valley]

I basically never have connection issues

But I understand what you're saying

[loud girder]

u must be connected straight to fastshark hq damn

[solemn sluice]

Yeah i got a new computer like a week so i finally installed darktide again and it put all my stuff on medium

[loud girder]

if u wanna play havoc/aurics u cant max out stuff sadly
game is poorly optimized and cpu bottlenecked
it was never designed to handle the insane spawns

[solemn sluice]

And im like bro im running ryzen 7 and rtx 5070 and im like maaaan no cool ray tracing :(

[loud girder]

now drop down to damnation and the game is actually playable

[solemn sluice]

Honestly

[languid pine]

darktide optimisation is laughable

[solemn sluice]

Optimisation is fatshark hardest thing to do

[quartz barn]

80gb btw

[loud girder]

i want a major tech update

no more class rebalances or whatever just overhaul servers and game perf pls

[solemn sluice]

My game is on a 4TB SSD drive

[obtuse dome]

Oh yeah

[solemn sluice]

Honestly would love another class later on

[solemn sluice]

Or actually more aribiter drip

But man

[obtuse dome]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

[solemn sluice]

No cool things for me

[languid pine]

this would be so good

fatshark please

[icy breach]

Penance rewards should be updated

[obtuse dome]

Forget the drip for one sec

And think about the greater picture

[solemn sluice]

at least the fomo drip is actually cheap compared to other companies

[white valley]

EU swag

[loud girder]

i get the worst EU servers 😭

[white valley]

We don't need arbitrator drip, we need a big weapon balance patch

[quartz barn]

But swedish eune servers

[loud girder]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[solemn sluice]

Im Australian and i play with amercians because i got no aussies who play this

Well 1 friend

That plays this

[icy breach]

Why would you waste money on pretty pixels that does not count as content gameplay wise in a game which has alot to be desired in terms of optimization?
Just buy a new game

[languid pine]

i play with EU occasionally for havoc games

[white valley]

Arbies deserve to look like riot cops

[solemn sluice]

Honestly i want more enemy types

[loud girder]

exactly now more riot cop fits

swag

[solemn sluice]

can we fight a space marine yet :)

I wanna kill a space marine

[loud girder]

probably never happening

[white valley]

We need big weapon balance patch, so many weapons are unusable in havoc

[solemn sluice]

Orgyns can kill them

Soo

It’s pausable

[loud girder]

more balancing around havoc

yippie

[white valley]

Yes

[solemn sluice]

Honestly we need more weapons

[white valley]

Do you want weapons to be shit in havoc?

[solemn sluice]

for ogyrn

[white valley]

All 3 types of autoguns are crappy in havoc

[icy breach]

Unusable to you maybe; you haven’t tried even

[languid pine]

you know what else needs to be changed with havoc

the fucking dogshit modifiers

[white valley]

Smite doesn't count

[loud girder]

no i dont want more balancing around havocs cause u might as well scrap all lower diffs at this rate

[solemn sluice]

Is smite even good?

[white valley]

Yeaah some could use a touch-up

[solemn sluice]

I rarely see psykers use smite

[icy breach]

We talk about weapons not blitzes

[white valley]

Yeah I don't care about those, they don't exist to me

[weary sable]

How is smite an autogun?

[white valley]

Okay what weapons should I be trying?

[weary sable]

Vigilant Autoguns

[icy breach]

Ones nobody picks

[white valley]

Ew

[weary sable]

What? Not to your liking?

[white valley]

Vigilant Autogun's live reaction when a crusher shows up

Also I don't like them

[weary sable]

Well of course, it can't really deal with carapace.

[white valley]

Not into sniper-ish weapons

[weary sable]

Good. So its the perfect weapon to use.

[icy breach]

Me & my pals do and we do well; whats stoping you from achieving same result? We ain’t special or gifted

[loud girder]

this is the issue lmao
the mode was made to stress test the "meta" and force teamwork and buildcrafting aka copying strongest builds of some random dudes
now havoc gamers never touch the normal board and they want the game to be balanced around the cbt mode and it'll just make normal board even easier, also ruin the entire point of the mode ol

[white valley]

Look fam I also think plenty of weapons need nerfing

Inferno staff, duelling sword, plasma gun, to name a few

[icy breach]

The only special thing about us is that we are positively Re***ded

[loud girder]

you know what after they giga buffed everyone i agree just actually balance the game around havoc instead of whatever tf they're doing

[white valley]

But buffing devil's claw swords isn't gonna ruin aurics

[solemn sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/helldivers-gif-12958055423942870888

[thorn cedar]

buff mind in motion

[white valley]

Buffing ILAS isn't going to ruin aurics either

[loud girder]

buffing outdated weapons is nice but u mentioned autoguns aka dps machines in aurics

[white valley]

Braced autoguns sure are dps machines

[icy breach]

You haven’t even tried them if you say they need buffs

[loud girder]

not braced, full autos

[white valley]

The dpsest of machines

[weary sable]

Vigilant Autoguns, Infantry Autoguns, Braced Autoguns.

They are worth using or at the very least, trying.

[loud girder]

i call them full autos, fake LMGs and sniper autos

[weary sable]

You don't like them? Fair enough.

[white valley]

Why would anyone take an ILAS right now? And just because you can use them doesn't mean they're in a good place

[weary sable]

Give them a fair chance tho.

[white valley]

I like braced autos a lot actually

[thorn cedar]

i think the IIb ilas is legit

[loud girder]

im actually down for braced buffs

[icy breach]

Same logic can be applied to anything

[white valley]

But I don't see how they are good in havocs

[weary sable]

Why is that in your opinion?

What would it have to do to be "good" ?

[thorn cedar]

extremely high capacities and good damage

[quartz barn]

Remember that havoc meta =/= auric and below meta

[weary sable]

Sounds like a Plasma Gun without being a Plasma Gun

[white valley]

Because braced autos struggle with ammo in havoc far more than aurics, and their ability to chew through enemies suffers due to the massively increased horde density and elite spawning

[quartz barn]

Yes but that doesnt make them bad

[zinc phoenix]

Don’t they also suck eggs against carapace?

[white valley]

Aye

[zinc phoenix]

I mean that’s a deal breaker

I can get horde clear for free with flamer pysker so any ammo use in havoc needs to be on cleaning up stuff that isn’t horde

[thorn cedar]

you arent bringing a BAG to mulch trash and shooters like you do in Auric, you bring it because it has hysterical suppression stats

[icy breach]

Not every weapon should chew through cara; its suppose to be tough

[weary sable]

That almost sounds like you want a weapon that you can mag dump hordes with

[white valley]

Why would I care about that when a flamer or inferno staff suppresses everything too

[weary sable]

That is generally speaking, a really bad idea.

[zinc phoenix]

Ok but if high difficulty is literally just carapace and bosses it automatically means weapons that don’t do much against carapace and bosses are gonna struggle if they’re not the absolute tippy top

[quartz barn]

Recon las

[marble crater]

Bolter

[white valley]

Nah not hordes, but maybe mixed hordes

[icy breach]

Only rotten armour modifier really

[quartz barn]

Its not though, theyre just more common

[weary sable]

I am all for doing what you want to do. Go ahead.

[thorn cedar]

Not beyond 24m

[zinc phoenix]

Rotten armor is in fairness a really big deal especially when it often comes with stims

[white valley]

Braced autos have mediocre elite damage, mediocre boss damage, so why should I bring them? And I like them

[weary sable]

But no weapon should really be used to mag dump hordes with. The ammo economy won't allow it in Havoc.

[zinc phoenix]

The current modifier set seems tailor made to break bubble book meta 😂