psyker-class

[strong gulch]

It's not the worst but it's not great either.

EP BB helpd bump it up BB monster damage, but it doesn't have great sustain.

If EP BB is the best monster damage you have and it a monster heavy mission, it's likely to be a rough time.

BB can be safe and steady monster damage (even when EP and KR runout). Is slow tho.

[marble crater]

It's the zealot's job to deal with bosses

[strong gulch]

Melee is better.

But yeah, not really psyker's "job".

Can still build for it. Guns and melee are better for that.

[marble crater]

I don't think medicine actually does anything. It just tastes horrible on purpose to force your body to get healthy and not have to take it anymore

[strong gulch]

I hope you feel better.

[ripe obsidian]

Inferno with Vulnerable Minds has been getting me top position in boss damage often

[marble crater]

"I will survive!"

[strong gulch]

H40 things/

right?

bulwark and reapers too

[serene gazelle]

How

[tulip kettle]

hitting them

[marble crater]

Bolter them or hammer them

[lethal folio]

You want boss damage on psyker you bring the chainaxe.

[thorn cedar]

vrrr rrrrrrr

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, usually

[royal totem]

i can't help but think smite on an inferno psyker is a bit odd

[marble crater]

It is very redundant yes

[gusty sapphire]

hey yall, rq
on a brain rupture/scriers gaze/disrupt destiny melee psyker, what ranged weapon would you bring

[royal totem]

but we somehow passed that havoc so no true complaints. just odd is all

[gusty sapphire]

im bringing a bistol tuned for flak and maniacs i think, with surgical and the 100% critical weakspot damage buff

handles just fine in auric maelstrom, does well, but wondering if theres anything else that could work

[royal totem]

bistol works. i think some people like the lasgun. some people sh oot an autogun. or laspistol....

[marble crater]

Las pistol, reconlas, vraks 5

[royal totem]

i'm by no means an expert

[gusty sapphire]

las pistol and reconlas configured to just stack fire?

[marble crater]

Reconlas for less boss damage but more sustained, vraks if you want that boss gone right this moment

[thorn cedar]

laspee has disgusting damage output

[gusty sapphire]

and sorry, wym vraks 5
infantry autogun vraks? brautogun vraks?

[marble crater]

Infantry

[gusty sapphire]

i see

[sinful peak]

vraks the goat

[marble crater]

I trust that Six has written it down in the pinned build guide, if you need more information

[ripe obsidian]

If you are peeing lasers, please see a doctor.

[tulip kettle]

you will also have a much better time with assail than rupture

due to synergy with malmomentum and use case

[ripe obsidian]

My melee weapon section isn't done yet. I need to do that

[gusty sapphire]

whys that? assail doesnt feel too useful to me outside of hordeclear

im probably using it wrong though

[tulip kettle]

well because BB does nothing that assail doesnt do

but assail you can throw it out and go back to shooting / hitting

[ripe obsidian]

BB kinetically flays

[tulip kettle]

and then you get the benefits of mal momentum

[gusty sapphire]

i find BB's proc on a sword hit is really helpful for just saying "fuck you" to elites when its off cooldown

[tulip kettle]

yeah sure KF is not terrible

[gusty sapphire]

remind me of mal momentum?

[ripe obsidian]

Malefic Momentum is probably the main reason to use Assail. Also Assail benefits a lot from DD and SG in a way BB does not.

[tulip kettle]

but which elites dont die when you hit them

and yes assail also benefits from crits, and DD

[ripe obsidian]

And Warp Splitting

[tulip kettle]

and that

[gusty sapphire]

how would you use assail in this case?

cause i forgot what malmo does but i think its in my build

[tulip kettle]

just throw one evry 5 seconds or so

[gusty sapphire]

so theoretically i can switch and take it

[tulip kettle]

you get buffs to non warp dmg on warp kills

[ripe obsidian]

Throw Assail whenever you have enemies to kill and you won't blow up from peril

[tulip kettle]

and vice versa

so, say you are horde clearing with your FGS

just throw out 2 assails real quick

then go back to bonking

for nice dmg buffs

[gusty sapphire]

ooooh, i see

[ripe obsidian]

I am slow and I don't know Meleeker well. D:

[gusty sapphire]

also i didnt really see it in the guide but im a little short on time; how would you build a laspistol, recon las and infantry vraks?

[tulip kettle]

vraks is slightly different imo

and its really, really good for killing bosses but kind of worse at other stuff

[tulip kettle]

due to accuracy and recoil issues

[gusty sapphire]

raking fire?

[tulip kettle]

yeah it lets you give backshots to burgles

they love it

[gusty sapphire]

oh right

[marble crater]

Disagree with the first time, that's a good guide and you did it pretty quickly

[tulip kettle]

generally recon las is my preference, you would take infernus and dumdum

then unyielding and your choice of flak or crit chance

i like crit chance for more infernus and more EE

[gusty sapphire]

is there any case where the laspistol would be preferable to a reconlas?

[tulip kettle]

some people like it, it kills some stuff faster i think

but for me, getting a bunch of crits quickly with reconlas is better than anything else

due to mettle and perfect timing

[gusty sapphire]

gotcha gotcha
thank you!

[strong gulch]

If you can hit your head shots, Las pistol is quite good. Better monster dps than recon.

If you can't tho, go recon.

[thorn cedar]

recon is the premiere safety pick, laspee is the premiere damage pick

[fierce crest]

i laspistol cuz it actually has perfect accuracy

ive never put my crosshair on a sniper and fired and still gotten sniped with the laspistol

[gusty sapphire]

the thing im gonna lament the most is not having the feeling of power the bistol offers

[fierce crest]

bistol is my sidearm for meleeker

not enough ammo to gunker with imo

[thorn cedar]

youre just not gonna find any other weapon that has:

• fast and three tiered reload
• instant draw speed
• pinpoint accuracy
• appreciable magazine size and ammo economy
• ridiculous finesse scaling

it is the gunker gun

[robust violet]

Out of curiosity, what's the best melee weapon for Psyker? I've been using the force sword a lot just for the sake of it being fun and because I tend to have a bias to find swords cool.

[royal totem]

it's a lot of personal opinion. force greatsword, force sword, dueling sword, combat knife all valid options

[sinful peak]

rashad my beloved

[thorn cedar]

deimossss

[rich spindle]

Obscurus has a fun combo

[royal totem]

i will point out what is the best melee weapon also depends a little bit on what your gun or staff is

[robust violet]

Thats great, I basically just get to use what I think is cool and I'll prosper anyway.

[royal totem]

i mean......with the caveat of if you're actually good at said weapon. but yes.

[rough trail]

My build works now thx whoever put that massive google doc of builds

[royal totem]

that would be Six

[rough trail]

Thanks @ripe obsidian

[robust violet]

I've been rotating through a couple of things as I try them out. Lasgun, Las pistol, voidstrike staff, revolver, bolt pistol, and combat shotgun.

[royal totem]

fair enough. i'm just an EK staff and inferno staff psyker

[steel flame]

I've been converted

Charged strikes infinite parry devil claw is just the best thing ever

I just spent 2 minutes fighting twins and a plague ogryn solo, in a corner and won

through the pure power of bullshit parry spam

-# (let's not talk about the part where I died immediately afterward to a flamer)

I think there was a horde too? Honestly no fuckin clue, it all got parried. Couldn't see shit with rinda in my face

[royal totem]

lmao

charged strikes still bugged?

[steel flame]

Wdym?

It doesn't nerf itself anymore

[gusty sapphire]

the bistol?

[steel flame]

laspistol

never got on with the recon

[royal totem]

hmmmm.......i keep forgetting i don't have shriek

inferno bubble is so weird

[ripe obsidian]

You are welcome

[ripe obsidian]

I will try to get some weapon recommendations up soon

[strong gulch]

I am not super well versed in meleeker either. That's a big reason why I never added a gunker/ meleeker section to my pin.

I am more versed on it now, but I am still weak in that area imo.

Also agree about the building guide coming together in a speedy fashion.

[royal totem]

god, the regular shooty people hurt so much when they take stims 🙁

[hearty wolf]

Drugs are strong

[royal totem]

very

[thorn cedar]

laspistol. bistol lacks in capacity and is clunky on fire rate, makes it less ideal

[gusty sapphire]

yeah ill do a fire-stacking build on it

[thorn cedar]

dont forget dumdum

[austere warren]

I don't know jack shit about number stuff but right tree is a time. Always been my favorite.

[gusty sapphire]

and dumdum
what perks though?

flak+maniac?

[austere warren]

And then psyker just eventually got access to even better melee options across the board. :>

[austere warren]

You talking about infantry autogun?

[gusty sapphire]

naur, laspistol
will accept infantry autogun perk/blessing ideas for a meleeker though

i intend on trying the vraks

[thorn cedar]

i do unyielding maniac

[austere warren]

Dumdum and infernus is breezy with right tree psyker builds. Are you planning on using scriers?

[gusty sapphire]

ye

[thorn cedar]

i dont remember why maniac

[gusty sapphire]

scriers and DD

[thorn cedar]

probably for some breakpoint two years ago and i never tested again

[austere warren]

If you really like popping shooters and having a little extra for contesting heavier units i like flak and unyielding.

Unarmoured and unyielding is nice too

Flak isn't exactly necessary but I like it especially after SG and DD ramp

[thorn cedar]

it already bodies flak so hard idk

havent crunched it in ages

[austere warren]

It's just me being redundant for sharper ramp spikes.

I want my juice asap

Maniac and unyielding is really stable though.

Helps with dropping maniac specialists so dd spins get better when folks got good aim.

[austere warren]

Lemme walk this one back because that was before the changes. Its been months since I ran unarmoured so idk if there's anything significant there.

[verbal thistle]

tox bomber and dreg gunner are common ranged perks for 1 shots for unarmoured

[gusty sapphire]

ill try 'em out on auric, see which works best. thanks!

what class are gunners again? i find they're the biggest threat to me

maniacs?

no wait theyre elites

[radiant frigate]

probably trying to make the maniac damage less awful

kind of weird really

how full-size lasgun wrecks maniac and is like a wet noodle vs flak, and the pistol is the inverse

[wind spruce]

Flak and unyielding are the most correct choices

[visual trellis]

What’s the best way to get these

[zealous wing]

just doing heresy missions, generally (or higher)

elites are gunners, snipers, ragers, etc, so just dont get hit by those in melee

[strong gulch]

Maybe VB?

Take knife to run away and VB to blast the things away.

[zealous wing]

VB, or , i dont remember how i did mine tbh, but, gun like revolver on melee, or EK probably, so you can insta-stun anything too close

[strong gulch]

EK is also goof yeah.

Fewer targets so gotta juggle more.

[zealous wing]

i got mine the first 3 heresy missions i successfully did with my spouse

thats when i got ahold of the whole "dont get hit" myself

[strong gulch]

I got mine too long ago to have memories of it.

I still haven't figured out "don't get hit".

[zealous wing]

but you try

[strong gulch]

Ye

Sometimes I just delude myself tho.

"That little hooger won't get me. I'll just dodge and ignore em." By the 6th dodge I forget and get hit.

Then I am somehow shocked that I got hit.

[royal totem]

Sometimes i delude myself into believing the arb will shoot the trapper

When theyre facing it and im sure they have to see them

~~then they let me get trapped 😭 ~~

[zealous wing]

i'd rather waste a bullet from two of us shooting the trapper, than no one shooting her

[verbal thistle]

@ripe obsidian thoughts on these

[strong gulch]

ES is ok on EK

[verbal thistle]

context

purg staff

[strong gulch]

Not worth.

[royal totem]

Whats a bullet. Im using a staff

[zealous wing]

then you have nothing to lose. SHOOT HER

[royal totem]

I really should have

Anybody played so much shriek they overload...hit f...and realize...its not shriek?

[strong gulch]

ES is mostly a waste unless the person is doing LMB spam with swap cancel (I know some play like that). Could take ES if you are kiting a lot, but know that ES is a debuff and not a buff to the player. Otherwise it should more mostly be RMB and shoehorning in LMB outside of CC is meh.

You don't really full charge RMB on purg too.

[verbal thistle]

its also the pathing that I have a problem with

not taking wildfire with the new KF buff

[strong gulch]

ye

The only build that really has room for ES imo is EP BB for purg because it's less point hungry that warp siphon.

But even then, you could take something else.

Like immaterial focus for DR and stagger immunity. Could take BM if doing havocs.

Or path to ER if bubble.

Just not much room when considering the other offerings.

[quartz flare]

Does Malefic Momentum also apply to soulblaze?

Like, does my melee kills buff the soulblaze DOT?

[bitter hare]

i would assume soulblase is a warp type fire damage

[quartz flare]

Does Warps Splitting also affect the warp slice attack form the FGS?

[wind spruce]

its already got near infinite cleave so its irrelevant

[serene gazelle]

psyker is just a weird classi dont get what im doing

the peril stuff is weird to play around

[wind spruce]

hows it weird? if you have scriers and warp unbound you can literally just ignore it, and if you dont you just dont use warp attacks at 100% and quell instead

thats basically it

[serene gazelle]

idk i either have too much or not enough

and i die way too much casue i get no toughness on this guy

He's wayyy to squishy

[quartz flare]

If there was added

[wind spruce]

we just got given two extra toughness damage reduction talents and a bunch more toughness regen

psyker has never been tankier

so its just practice, man

gotta git gud

[bitter hare]

you get alot of toughness regen in the first stretch of talents

[quartz flare]

a FGS that would have a single target piercing stab attack as its special would it be viable?

[bitter hare]

in most cases you can get ones that reward you for pure aggresion

[quiet jacinth]

Anyone got a void strike staff build?

[serene gazelle]

idk doesnt seems to proc very much

[quartz flare]

like a ranged warp stab

[wind spruce]

https://outplayed.tv/warhammer-40k-darktide/ymM5K1

@summer prairie what am I missing here? Is the health calculation additive and the toughness calculation multiplicative PLUS the UI is rounding 105.00 health up to 106 for some reason? That's the only explanation I can think of

[quartz flare]

nvm now I think of it it would be overkill since FGS is already good with dmg.

[bitter hare]

what are your talents like atm?

[ripe obsidian]

I do not like either for inferno. Feels like a waste of time and forces you into non-optimal playstyles. Swapping between LMB and RMB also kills Blaze Away stacks.

[quartz flare]

I'm trying to make a fun soulblaze-FGS build. any advice on the tree?

I speced on toughness regen rather than defenses cause it feels like life leeching.

[wind spruce]

Or do you have insight here @ripe obsidian ?

[wind spruce]

Are you not 30 yet?

[wind spruce]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a00aa358-26ff-4d52-91ba-559682ebd0e9/zazys-melee-only-blazing-spirit-greatsword?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

Try @steel flame's heretical build

[fiery stratus]

Honestly assail is better with SG, if you take quietude, you generate toughness throwing assail, then quelling. Its really good for utility even if you don't have good targets. Also scriers gaze causes your peril to rise, which should again gen toughness

But thats just for assail

Honestly with quietude and brainburst, you should be able to charge and quell even without targets and get toughness

[wind spruce]

You can go from 0>100% toughness in 2.2s with quietude and scriers

[gusty sapphire]

for a meleeker build, what would yall say is the dumpstat for uhhh

recon lasgun, vraks infantrygun, and laspistol

[wind spruce]

Collateral ammo mobility

[fiery stratus]

Its different for most weapons tbh

[wind spruce]

Respectively

[fiery stratus]

A lot are mobility

[bitter hare]

its nearly the same as mine but im not invested into trying to get soulblaze as much for my main build, its not bad but your not gonna get much value on often depending on what your weapons are since your soulblaze is only gonna ever proc when you kill specials, nothing much else unless your using the inferno staff

[strong gulch]

If you don't hipfire laspistol much (lives off weakspots anyways) and you're using gun as your mobility stick for FGS, dumping stability might be the way to go on it.

[serene gazelle]

Idk I swapped off shriek just to see what it does. All of psyker just kinda plays weird to me. With scarier I was always hitting max peril too fast then having to wait for the cooldown

[bitter hare]

honestly scrier pairs well with smite, due to one scrier talent Warp Unbound its easier to use with it and just overall a decent crowd control tool when you need to get out of a situation

[quartz flare]

too bad smite doesn't have crits

[bitter hare]

scrier itself though does require you to have to play into the peril mechanic, getting a few reduction talents so it stays longer

[strong gulch]

There's talents like BCoB (by crack of bone) and TTS (tranquility through slaughter) that quell on ranged crits or weakspot melee kills.

But SG and quietude should not be you're only toughness gen.

SG has a lot of uptime.

Can eve take CDR (cool down reduction) on curios and take PA (psyk's aura).

Mettle helps with toughness a lot on SG builds. Soustealer is good burst tougness gen if you have assail or staff.

[wind spruce]

Choose warp unbound so you can cast at 100% and/or choose peril quelling abilities like by crack of bone and tranquillity through slaughter

[strong gulch]

Having things that work together is important.

It's not just a tree or a weapon. They should work together.

[bitter hare]

im pretty sure smite itself has a very low DPS so even if it had critsits not gonna keep up with assail which is honestly a better CC blitz for killing groups, not stunning

[wind spruce]

Should always***

[wind spruce]

Not really. 2.5% p/s is a pittance

[strong gulch]

I don't like definite. So I avoid words like "always".

Agree tho.

[wind spruce]

Fair but there's also no build where it isn't currently true you should take PA and curio CDR

Maybe warp charges scriers builds lel

[strong gulch]

Stacking things together tho.

But I also forgor warp expenditure isn't shit now.

[ripe obsidian]

I can look in a moment

[ripe obsidian]

• Health Reduction mutator apply after buffs (from curios for example), but only affect your base Health amount.
• Toughness reduction applies before buffs happen, thus will reduce the effect of toughness increases

So your base toughness is reduced by a flat 45, then % bonuses are applied

And your health is reduced by 35% after your bonuses are applied, but it only affects base HP

So health bonuses are more effective

Does that answer the question?

[wind spruce]

Awesome, thank you. This is basically a long/lamens way of saying multiplicative and additive so glad I got that right haha

[ripe obsidian]

I have updated the Voidblast templates to have PotS as a yellow node.

[strong gulch]

woah

[ripe obsidian]

I had the ADMs wrong

Is 80% on Flak and Carapace

[strong gulch]

[thorn cedar]

holy shit, pots voidblast assail synergy meta

[strong gulch]

I'm an assail vb enjoyer.

This appeals to me.

[ripe obsidian]

I can add an Assail + VB build

[strong gulch]

I haven't done too much assail VB this patch.

Because ER and PotS are on warp siphon and shriek likes the cool down, I am inclined to go warp siphon.

[ripe obsidian]

Honestly, yeah, there's some synergy there. I don't know what Assail does that Voidblast doesn't

[strong gulch]

Assail is nice for scattered shooters. Easier than LMB spam.

[ripe obsidian]

Fair

[strong gulch]

Is there overlap? Yes, but assail does that better.

Missing out on KF tho.

[ripe obsidian]

I should probably note in the guide that I don't recommend picking PotS with rending Trauma

feels like a waste

[strong gulch]

Assail, VB, and melee is more or less swap to whatever. It's honestly more slap stick just pick a thing and go than strategy.

[ripe obsidian]

I am happy to add whatever builds people have

More options, more better

[royal totem]

hmmm....

Six.

yellow stim just makes enemies attack faster right?

[radiant yew]

Fit check

[unkempt hare]

What are some good firearms for gunpsyker?

[restive pollen]

Any build people recommend? Usually only play Zealot so trying to get a hang of Psy.

[candid temple]

What do you want to do?

Meleeker is fun

Inferno staff is strong.

[restive pollen]

I was trying to spam Voidblast but the longer charging and lack of wider aoe killing makes me enjoy melee more.

The shields been fun but idk how viable that would really be for higher levels. Been using it in Heresy so far.

[ripe obsidian]

I have many builds in the pinned guide

Feast your eyes

[candid temple]

Bubble is very strong.

[ripe obsidian]

Also, bubble shield is typically considered meta in high difficulties

[unkempt hare]

I play mostly on damnation and bubble is so very nice to have

The amount of gunners and reapers that spawn gets stupid sometimes

[candid temple]

Just slide

[unkempt hare]

I've gotten gunned down coming out of slide

[wind spruce]

Yeah I hear sometimes you can get three whole gunners at once on damnation!

[restive pollen]

Hmm

[tulip kettle]

so someone said earlier scriesrs is good with smite

did they fix that interaction?

because before it was terrible, as smite ends automatically at critical peril

[strong gulch]

I can't remember. Was gonna say something, but upon reflection the memory is just too hazy.

[tulip kettle]

i really shouldnt boot up darktide at gone 4 am....

[brittle galleon]

is 80/60/80/80/80 a good roll for an inferno staff?

would attach a screenshot, but, you know

[tulip kettle]

that means nothing dude

on inferno you want the 60 to be warp resistance

[brittle galleon]

yes

thats the one

[restive pollen]

So many, not sure which to go for. lol

[tulip kettle]

nearly every weapon should be all 80's and a 60 in one

so yes, thats the roll you want

[brittle galleon]

80 damage 60 warp resist 80 channel thing 80 on the other two

[tulip kettle]

then yep thats the right roll

[tulip kettle]

it seems to work now

still doesnt make it good but at least its not functionally broken

[restive pollen]

BubbleKnight looks fun

[wind spruce]

You can now very easily achieve infinite smite with scriers + PA

It's genuinely very consistent to just hold smite for minutes at a time

[ripe obsidian]

Pick a weapon you like and an ability you like and go wild

[prisma niche]

Hey what if Empyric Resolve made the peril cap at 150% instead and peril scaling talents scale even more with it

I think that's the right talent...

Yeah it is

[languid pine]

psyker damage skyrockets again

[tulip kettle]

i mean, changing the peril cap to 150% is functionally the same as reducing peril generation for number of casts, it would just break talents like warp rider that scale based on your current %

so, if what youre saying is, what if warp rider scaled up to 30%, then sure go off king more damage funny

[prisma niche]

Yeah that's the point
It's meant to make it synergize better instead of just nuking toughness replenishment with no real benefit

[tulip kettle]

its not no real benefit

its more casts

it makes EK and voidblast much more functional to play

[prisma niche]

Reduced peril generation only really matters for scrier's gaze and it's kinda on the opposite side of the skill tree

[strong gulch]

Not true.

[tulip kettle]

wrong

[restive pollen]

Just watched some of the BubbleKnight gameplay. Think I'll try that for now. Looks like my style.

[strong gulch]

As stated. EK and VB benefit significantly from ER.

[tulip kettle]

and tbh, most good scriesrs builds dont care about peril generation at all

[wind spruce]

No real benefit lmaoo

[tulip kettle]

because youre leaning on warp unbound to damage max anyway

[wind spruce]

Not really dom

[tulip kettle]

i said good scriers builds

[wind spruce]

Staying in scriers is way more damage than being at 100% for warp rider

[tulip kettle]

true

but in those sort of builds you arent really building peril

[ripe obsidian]

Go forth and slaughter

[wind spruce]

We've gotten warp rider brain rot

[prisma niche]

Warp unbound is better in mortis trials

[tulip kettle]

and now WU gives you the damage from scriers

[wind spruce]

It's borderline irrelevant now

With how many damage talents we have

[tulip kettle]

so apart from the finesse scaling its kind of meh

[prisma niche]

Yeah

[wind spruce]

Wdym "now"? They've never changed what damage you get in the linger state

[tulip kettle]

idk i thought it never used to linger for 10 secs after, but i never really played those sorts of builds except funny EK memes

and on other scriers builds youre running stuff like BCoB, no?

[prisma niche]

Could've sworn Empyric resolve was never used because it turned the glass cannon into a fucking water cannon

[wind spruce]

The damage/finesse stacks always lingered

[prisma niche]

I remember seeing that debate

[tulip kettle]

yes ER is very much "take it if you need it" not "take it all the time"

i think finesse doesnt linger

maybe im wrong

[strong gulch]

ER has been meta on VB and EK since that talent launched.

[prisma niche]

Except I really... Don't, need it, even with force-staves

[strong gulch]

Finesse doesn't linger

[tulip kettle]

i mean, again, with EK and VB staffs its very good for increasing overall DPS

[prisma niche]

If I'm in a position where I can hit 100% peril with staves my team is probably carrying

[tulip kettle]

okay, what?

are you trolling?

[strong gulch]

damage does linger tho

[wind spruce]

What are you even talking about

[wind spruce]

The finesse stacks from precog do linger

And the 1% damage for every second you spend in scriers lingers. That's it.

[tulip kettle]

they do indeed linger now according to the tooltip

but they didnt before im pretty sure

[wind spruce]

The crit, 10% flat damage and 10% weakspot damage do not linger

[strong gulch]

Oh right.

[wind spruce]

They've always lingered

[strong gulch]

lol

[tulip kettle]

am i going insane?

[wind spruce]

Yes

[tulip kettle]

i remember testing this

[strong gulch]

Dom and I were sharing the same memory glass I guess.

[tulip kettle]

indeed 😄

[wind spruce]

I've been quelling for a quick sec then loosing assail shards with 30 stacks during the lingering phase for literal years, trust me it lingers

[tulip kettle]

i think this changed when they made assail quell peril

i think it wasnt functional before

[strong gulch]

You mean SG

[tulip kettle]

i do

its nearly 5am

[strong gulch]

and maybe there was a change

brain didn't update

[prisma niche]

In normal games I rarely get to 100% peril with staves
Both because managing it is easy and because I usually need to start using my melee before getting anywhere near that point

[strong gulch]

failed to acquire the file lol

[wind spruce]

The damage stacks always lingered. I tested it back before scriers quelled. Maybe the finesse stacks were bugged and didn't linger, idk.

[tulip kettle]

yes the damage always did but finesse did not

[wind spruce]

The extra stacks you get from precog didn't used to apply properly during the active phase

[tulip kettle]

and either way, to my understanding, SG is played mainly 2 ways

[strong gulch]

It's whole thing to edge your peril, especially on staves.

A lot of talents rely on high peril.

Shriek needs 85% peril on default UI to get max SB stacks.

[tulip kettle]

either, with other quelling talents like BCoB to keep peril down and get max stacks and scriesrs length

or leaning on WU where you are trying to abuse being at 100% peril with the extra damage linger as a bonus

[wind spruce]

Four talents rely on high peril and two talents are disabled at critical

[prime elk]

BCOB sucks

[tulip kettle]

... does it?

seems pretty good on meleeker builds

[ripe obsidian]

no

[wind spruce]

If you're stuck in the past, sure

[prime elk]

it's too strong

[tulip kettle]

oh lol

[prime elk]

nah

[prisma niche]

Which is why I thought people didn't like ER
Because that 40% resistance makes it harder to get to 85%
At most it gives you a little leeway

[strong gulch]

talents and blessings*

[wind spruce]

Warp Rider brain rot is real

[prime elk]

it's like the least controversial take ever

[strong gulch]

eithr way they are core

[wind spruce]

Not controversial but also not correct

[prime elk]

they buffed it to the point where it's actually difficult to keep high peril

when in the middle of melee combat

[tulip kettle]

its the difference between doing 1 cast and being at critical or 3

[wind spruce]

High peril is overrated

[tulip kettle]

thats significant

now dont get me wrong

you can just do cast > slide-quell loop

[strong gulch]

But also why WR is dumped. It's a balance of maxing aggressive casts and ramp up.

[wind spruce]

Oooh my one damage talent out of the twelve I'm running isn't maxed out

[tulip kettle]

i mean, youre not actually wrong

[wind spruce]

Let's just let the damage talent that does like 5x the work of warprider expire early

[tulip kettle]

but we damagemaxxing out here

[wind spruce]

Warp Rider brainrot is real af

[tulip kettle]

but what if both?

[prime elk]

high peril gives extra cleave, tdr, stagger, and damage

thinking cap on

"high peril sucks bro"

[tulip kettle]

and idk it seems like, for those non meleeker builds, you can always just, you know, cast it again

[wind spruce]

Most builds don't need the cleave, critical peril shuts down dream and KD, it does not provide stagger wtf and I didn't say it sucks

[tulip kettle]

when im running EK SG builds i dont care about it, ill just cast it again

[prime elk]

critical peril is 97

[tulip kettle]

and id rather be spamming casts at 100% peril without needing to quell

[prime elk]

maybe just don't go to 97??

[wind spruce]

Lmao

[prime elk]

and yeah, on standard builds, it does give you higher stagger

[wind spruce]

You're seriously suggesting quelling during scriers instead of just running BCoB?

[tulip kettle]

again, BCoB is for meleeker

[prime elk]

unstable power is a standard take on FGS

[prime elk]

who said that lol

[prisma niche]

BCoB?

[prime elk]

i take WE

[tulip kettle]

if im doing SG EK build, no, im not using BCoB, because im not really meleeing

[prime elk]

that quells all i need

and allows me to keep high peril with ease

[prisma niche]

Oh By Crack of Bone

[wind spruce]

How else are you stopping it hitting 97%?

[prime elk]

read. the. above.

[wind spruce]

Warp expenditure doesn't effect peril

[prime elk]

battle med

[prisma niche]

Quelling will allow you to get a lot of scier's value even if you pop it and then the ogryn throws a big bomb

[wind spruce]

Hahahhahahaha

[tulip kettle]

so if youre meleeing with SG, then yeah like i said, you have other stuff to keep your peril down like BCoB like i said

but thats that whole archetype

which i said about originally

[wind spruce]

BM doesn't stop you from reaching critical for fuck

[prime elk]

ok genius

you do realize

you're going to reach critical either way with SG

[tulip kettle]

i mean, it does if youre actually killing stuff

[prime elk]

regardless of BCOB

[tulip kettle]

and yeah you will always hit critical eventually

i think the idea is to stay in SG for 30 seconds, no?

[prime elk]

yes

[wind spruce]

Sarcastically calling me genius then dropping this bombshell? Hilarious

[prime elk]

and then go into WU

[prime elk]

the only thing that's hilarious here

[prisma niche]

If anything I have a harder time trying to cancel SG intentionally than keeping it under critical

[prime elk]

is how clueless you are

[wind spruce]

Ok man

[prime elk]

then again

it's irosk

[tulip kettle]

lol

[prime elk]

so nothing surprises me anymore

[tulip kettle]

i had him blocked for like, a year in 2023

[wind spruce]

It's ok man

[tulip kettle]

ice cold takes

[wind spruce]

We get it

You can't actually think laterally. Just follow the same thought processes/meta takes and don't question anything lmao.

[prisma niche]

Depends on how you use Scrier's
My build is focused on making it last as long as possible but I can see how you might not need to

[tulip kettle]

but i think here its just, yes, there are 2 ways to use SG like i originally said, and for the use case of meleeker you want it to last a long time, but it always will with those builds because of TQS and BCoB

[prime elk]

ah yes, a conclusion i drew independently, from my own testing, is derivative and metaslaving.

thinking cap on

[tulip kettle]

and on the others you dont care because youre using it to abuse 100% uptime on your staff casting at 100% peril

[prime elk]

reaching 100% means assail magdump time for me

[wind spruce]

Perhaps surprisingly, I wasn't thinking about staff WU builds when defending BCoB

[prime elk]

actually the entirely ironic part of all this

is that you're saying that i'm a meta slave

[wind spruce]

Bro just stop lmao

[prime elk]

when you're the one claiming BCOB, the meta slave talent pick, is excellent

bro literally repeating metaslave lines

[prisma niche]

Everything he says screams "Redditor"

[prime elk]

and then accusing others of metaslaving

[wind spruce]

Ah yes, the metaslave line of "BCoB is strong because high peril is overrated"

[tulip kettle]

which is weird because i said specifically theres mainly 2 use cases, one is using quelling talents for duration and the other is leaning on WU where you dont care about duration

[wind spruce]

Please touch grass man

[tulip kettle]

what is happening here

[wind spruce]

Yeah I agree with you g

[tulip kettle]

either way

[prime elk]

not what you said, but ok

whatever bro

[wind spruce]

Dude that's what I've been saying since the start

[tulip kettle]

behold

the ultimate EK FGS SG build

yes you could drop crystalline will and warp battery for actually good talents like BCoB and warp speed

but then its not such a meme

[wind spruce]

Pick true aim and spread brain burst crit propaganda

[tulip kettle]

ive been saying BB should be able to crit for such a long time

i was also saying it should actually scale with damage multipliers for ages also, but its my underdstanding it actually does now

i have not had the chance to experiment with it properly yet

[prime elk]

sorry i can't read your fucking mind lol

[tulip kettle]

though, if you can make it consistently 2 shot ogryn size enemies with EP and warp rider and SG then i can see it actually being kinda good

i will need to test

[wind spruce]

Me saying your BCoB take is incorrect then immediately saying high peril is overrated wasn't enough for you?

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/adventure-time-now-kiss-finn-gif-5658105

[wind spruce]

Hey, we kissed and made up soooo....

To be fair 2023 Irosk that you blocked was wrong about most things

2025 irosk is on a 100% correct streak though

[deft stump]

I peek in and see yaoi. I'm going back to bed.

[prisma niche]

Welcome to being a psyker?

[tulip kettle]

karien pretending not to love yaoi is the real psyker gaslighting

[deft stump]

Yuri exists.

[tulip kettle]

trueeee

[prisma niche]

That too

[tulip kettle]

i know what these words mean now 🤓

[strong gulch]

bof of dem

[deft stump]

Unless is two pretty femboys to the point you can't tell unless they are nude, no interest.

[prime elk]

nope, because the thought of someone using BCOB to purposefully avoid high peril is crazy to me

but i should've known given that i was talking to you

mb

[wind spruce]

Ah yes, purposefully avoid high peril. Definitely not extend scriers.

[wind spruce]

The gall to question my character when we both know you're purposefully twisting what i said is incredible

[prime elk]

implying that i'm not maxing scriers anyway

[tulip kettle]

why did i die

[prime elk]

implying there's any character to question

[tulip kettle]

some fucky interaction with crystalline will?

[wind spruce]

Post some Uptime screengrabs

Keen to see your stack average

[prime elk]

why don't you?

[wind spruce]

Happy to

[prime elk]

great

now show me a comparison of your BCOB vs BM SG uptime

[tulip kettle]

this seems like i should be fine here, but i just, instadie

[wind spruce]

But I didn't just make a claim about my level of stacks

[tulip kettle]

CHANGING THE SUBJECT

[wind spruce]

So don't pull that no you bs lmaoa

[tulip kettle]

why did i die

[verbal thistle]

if you quell peril while overloading with CW you take damage still

[prime elk]

says the guy playing the "show me your scoreboard bro" card

[tulip kettle]

oh right, so its like crystalline will is actively bad

not just a meme

[wind spruce]

Oh shit you're one of those please don't ask me for any actual facts or data guys

[tulip kettle]

-removes it immediately-

[verbal thistle]

"There is currently a bug: Removing peril during the self-explosion animation (e.g. by using Venting Shriek or Scrier's Gaze) prevents the self-explosion and converts one health segment to corruption."

[prisma niche]

I reiterate
Screams redditor

[tulip kettle]

awesome cheers ainz

goated as always

also, i have been enjoying shieldmaiden

a lot

i have seen the light

[prime elk]

sorry, i'm not dumb enough to egngage with sealioning

[wind spruce]

Let's talk precog vs riposte

[cosmic cobalt]

riposte

precog is good for 1 hit

[wind spruce]

Lmaoooo not even remotely close to sealioning

[wind spruce]

Yeah precog is hot garbage

[deft stump]

Agile.

[wind spruce]

Apparently one of my other shit takes that now everyone seems to agree with

[cosmic cobalt]

agile is ass

i used to use agile a lot because skill issue

[prime elk]

is that everybody in the room with us right now?

[cosmic cobalt]

it's something you can play around

I mean it true

[deft stump]

Go play 300-400 ping.

[cosmic cobalt]

Precog is good for 1 hit

[wind spruce]

Who tf do you see running precog over crit now lmao

[strong gulch]

Yeah known bug with CW. If you have CW, overload, and try to save yourself with SG or shriek you take corruption damage. That was enough to banish you. We think it's because no elite died to the player exploding.

[cosmic cobalt]

yeah i think you have other problem

precog also kinda worse for bossing

riposte can help crit multiple time

[tulip kettle]

BOOO

BOOOO

BOOOOOO

gtfo CY

[cosmic cobalt]

where did that come from

[tulip kettle]

work it out dumbass

[wind spruce]

Dom loves cog

[cosmic cobalt]

bro love being cucked

anyway can't change reality

precog ass

good for 1 hit

while riposte is pretty much at least 1 crit during it duration and can proc more

[crisp ether]

precog's one hit is not a small hit though

credit where credit is due, it can nuke tanky targets

but riposte is just more consistent across the board

[wind spruce]

If you have 30% finesse from other sources riposte does more damage than precog even if you assume 100% uptime

[crisp ether]

yes, this is true

riposte is much better for sustained dps

[restive slate]

Hi there, how do I build psyker around bistol and fgsword?

[tulip kettle]

builds in the pins, thats a pretty good weapon combo, you probably want an assail / scriers build

[deft stump]

Not my fault the region is dead.

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/waynesworld-no-stairway-denied-mike-myers-gif-7784943

[edgy harbor]

So I am trying to understand gearing for this class, with warp resistance particularly. Is it possible to roll a gray with 0% warp resistance and other stats being at 80 without consecrating? Sorry if this message is confusing

[patent jacinth]

Theoretically

It would be so astronomical rare you might as well not try though

[ripe obsidian]

I just had mission aborted... in the character ready screen

[royal totem]

Wut

I didnt even know thats possible

[edgy harbor]

Yeah, I don't know if I am going to get to that level of minmaxing but I just wanted to clarify thank you Catachan

[patent jacinth]

Dumping warp res that hard isn't even needed

If you're playing melee you have just a dream and warp ghost and if you're playing staves that little warp res is highly detrimental

It would be funny to own though

[royal totem]

I just run 60 warp res like a noob

[tulip kettle]

i run 60 warp res on most things

i have an FGS with 30 warp res and 80 everything else

took about 5 mil to farm it

i run 70-70 WR/QS on EK because im an even bigger noob

[royal totem]

Wonder how much 10 quell speed changes

[plucky flax]

[royal totem]

I blow up even with 60 warp resist

[deft stump]

Didn't you whoops on H40 before?

[plucky flax]

What?

[deft stump]

Brain go boom.

[plucky flax]

I do. It's normal psyker behaviour.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1426153297969942649/Desktop_2025.10.10_-_11.23.47.03.mp4?ex=68ee24c2&is=68ecd342&hm=3e047516a56c69b795171c1cc8cc5a3d7596ceab1942a89992a5ff13aa6f867b&

[royal totem]

I can boom even on h17

[plucky flax]

I even skip downstate.

Go straight to hell with that one.

[royal totem]

Howd you skip down? 😮

[deft stump]

Pop head on final wound.

[royal totem]

Ah nvm

[plucky flax]

I am not on final wound though.

Nearly full hp.

[royal totem]

I umm...blew up 3 times in h21 today cuz i forgot had shield and not shriek

[plucky flax]

I'm just so OP game made me die die to nerf.

[royal totem]

Why i big confused lol

[deft stump]

If it's shield boss, I guess.

[royal totem]

Was it just a bug or???

[plucky flax]

Actually the clip is not mine it's Unsanctioned's.

And the game automatically puts a big debuff on him.

Cos he gud.

[deft stump]

Stop gaslighting ppl!

[wind spruce]

It's impossible to roll an 80/80/80/80/0, atleast with brunts armoury

[plucky flax]

Have you seen agentchaos and unsanctionedpsyker in the same lobby?

[wind spruce]

Max roll gives 280 stat points

[plucky flax]

I have.

It's proof not the same person.

[wind spruce]

Best you can do is roll a 70/70/70/70/0 and then hope for good luck on the upgrades

[royal totem]

I cant play havoc unless i have Karien luck to make sure i no crash lmao

~~the server only aborts me if im about to rank up 🙁 ~~

[deft stump]

Then you are waiting for whenever I get to assignment 40.

Which may or may not happen.

[tulip kettle]

real

[wind spruce]

feast thou eyes

[tulip kettle]

poggeru

i got clearance 40 in like my first 5 attempts at being back

[wind spruce]

i spent like 20 mill kekw

[tulip kettle]

lost i think, 17 straight 40s with rot armour and stimms today

i dont want to look at my assignment rank

[royal totem]

I was joking. But not about the server liking to abort me. also pretty sure my rank so low you cant derank in my games lmao

[deft stump]

I got that in like, first game? I don't remember, Chaos/Syllo combo OP. Assignment though... lmao.

[tulip kettle]

getting a million damage in the first room is honestly not good game design

i like how you just, MUST move forwards now

no slow clearing

[deft stump]

I dunno if you can still derank playing lower havocs when not at 40.

[royal totem]

Cant

Like how i dont derank if i play havoc 20 or 21 or lower than that

[deft stump]

I'm currently 37.

[royal totem]

Im....22

Im trying to sleep atm though.

[deft stump]

Go sleep.

[plucky flax]

Mk8 spotted. Must be n**b

[plucky flax]

[plucky flax]

I can help you derank

[deft stump]

If I wanted that, I would just play with randoms.

[quartz barn]

Nah randoms are goated

Randoms in thr vcs here however

[wraith sphinx]

how bad is it

[plucky flax]

[ripe obsidian]

Much to my chagrin, I might need to run bubble in H40s again. With Shriek, I often end up the last person alive and am not good enough to clutch. Or I die randomly, but bubble won't save me from my own bad positioning

The H40s I have won the last couple days have been on support Arby or rending bubble Psyker

[white valley]

Penetrating Flames stays winning

[ripe obsidian]

Penetrating Flames is 20% unique brittleness, yes?

[white valley]

Aye

[ripe obsidian]

I might honestly make a penetrating flames bubble build

Crit is less necessary when you have bubble

[white valley]

It stacks on top of other sources of brittle

[ripe obsidian]

That's what I meant by unique

Dunno if you saw, but I added PotS to my Trauma templates in the guide. I had the wrong ADMs. It's 80% for flak and carapace

So maybe worth picking. Maybe.

Recommended more for blazing than rending

[white valley]

Interesting

Affecting flak is a pretty big deal

Scab Ragers count as Carapace for Trauma as well, afaik

[ripe obsidian]

I believe so

I think explosions use center mass

[white valley]

Yup, if anything it's weird how soulblaze burns them as if they were flak

[plucky flax]

But where damage with so many elites?

[white valley]

Inferno still does millions of damage without shriek

[plucky flax]

Probably around half of that with shriek

[white valley]

I don't think the difference is that large

But even if it were, bubble wins games

[plucky flax]

[ripe obsidian]

Is because Soulblaze uses default for some reason, and Scab Ragers default to flak. Should probably be carapace

[ripe obsidian]

Hopefully someone else on my team. I had a vet outdamage a bubble psyker on my team today

[ripe obsidian]

In my experience, Shriek does double damage output. Or very close.

[plucky flax]

Because it's so easy to outdamage bubble psyker now

[wraith sphinx]

[white valley]

What

No one is outdamaging my inferno build in havoc

[plucky flax]

If you play bubble yeah I'll outdamage it

[white valley]

Yes, a shriek build would, but no one makes a group like that

[summer prairie]

Unless it's a purple map, any class can probably out damage bubble purg, if the players are all good and playing high damage builds

[white valley]

Tf

I have highest damage on ALL of my havoc games

I dunno how y'alls are playing or building bubble where that doesn't happen

[summer prairie]

Your dots don't do nearly as much if your team is also deleting everything

Dots need time

But just one or two lower damage players on the team will let you farm damage

Not saying bubble purg won't be near the top

[white valley]

I have yet to see a team capable of deleting waves of dozens of elites faster than my dots can work lol

[summer prairie]

Ok

[white valley]

But it's true that pugs are pugs

I play with a buddy of mine that mostly plays helbore vet and he does very high damage, but it's still about half of mine

[ripe obsidian]

I just had a plasma/p sword vet do like 1.8m to a bubble psyker's 1.7m. I was support Arby, so I was only at like 1m

[wraith sphinx]

[white valley]

Shit psyker

[ripe obsidian]

The build was bad, yes.

I never have anyone come close when I am on Shriek. Like 2-3x the 2nd person's damage. On bubble, people get close.

Particularly Rumbler Ogryns or good Vets

[strong gulch]

Don't have Sin on your team. Or a SB thief.

Friends are fun.

[summer prairie]

No way you do 2x the next player if it's not purple and it's a good team with high damage builds

Even surge surge gets much closer

[strong gulch]

Front loaded damage stops the heretics from cooking.

[night otter]

perfectionism or lingering influence? which one is better?

[strong gulch]

Both are good. Perfectionism needs cruel fortune and has more highs and lows.

Lingering is more consistent and doesn't need cruel fortune; so you get an extra point.

[ripe obsidian]

On Shriek? If it's not Rotten Armor I do.

[white valley]

Dunno what to tell you fam but it's what happens

It doesn't matter how much damage a build has when it is competing with infinite cleave that causes chain reactions

[summer prairie]

Your data is from playing with randoms

[ripe obsidian]

The burst from other classes can kill things before Inferno can scale in many cases. And 2 or 3 of the 4 stims as well as rotten armor are pretty brutal to soulblaze damage

[summer prairie]

Arbi can easily do 2m and you aren't doing 4m on non purple

Depends on the exact team comp of course

[ripe obsidian]

I don't know if you're talking to me or Balsco

[white valley]

True enough

[white valley]

Does Rotten Armour affect soulblaze? I thought it only affected the direct damage portion

[ripe obsidian]

More that it spawns loads of crushers that you hurt less, and that the melee pressure indirectly costs you damage if you have a weak frontline

[white valley]

Yeah that makes sense

[ripe obsidian]

The damage reduction is only against ranged, not soulblaze

I have been trying to get better about stacking uncanny in rotten armor games, but it's spooky to get that close to a horde of angry crushers.

[white valley]

Which makes soulblaze still immensely valuable for killing the dozens of maulers and ragers at least

[ripe obsidian]

It is, yes

Not saying it's bad by any stretch

I have noticed that my damage output is meaningfully lower on rotten armor maps. Could be anecdotal. Could be the forced repositioning

[plucky flax]

I can outdamage bubble psyker on arby shock maul

[summer prairie]

Rotten spawns a lot of tasty high hp melee enemies that SB is good against, still a good mod for purg

[plucky flax]

Maybe purple will be hard. But no purple it's easy outdamage

[white valley]

My buddy kraks crushers so I don't have to reposition that much

[ripe obsidian]

I still win in damage, but not by nearly as much as non-rotten armor. Dunno. Could be a me issue.

[summer prairie]

And people are scared of crushers and have to often play more passively

[ripe obsidian]

I play with randoms, so is all luck for me.

[summer prairie]

While your dots can still sit on everything

[white valley]

I play with this one friend and the rest is randoms

[white valley]

Good ogryns just engage 10 crushers at once and beat them up

[ripe obsidian]

The Ogryns I usually get hide behind me and spam rumbler

[white valley]

Pathetic

Yeah I have somehow seen many bad Rumblergryns recently

Skullcrusher ogryns running rumbler confuse me

[granite stratus]

I just cave their skulls in with thrust branx pickaxe

Grut it we ball

[white valley]

Mining morkite

I should play more ogryn

[plucky flax]

Tru that's me

[quartz barn]

Me dodging 5 in place

[summer prairie]

randoms so scared of having two psykers on the team

rather sit in a lobby forever waiting for fourth

[quartz barn]

2 psykers is free because i get to play rending trauma

[wraith sphinx]

spam clicking lmb takes up all brainpower

switching to melee and blocking too hard

[quartz barn]

I could also just bamboozle the party lead by equiping the pub meta purg loadout and just swapping

But most of the time the team isnt good enough without funni fire

[quartz barn]

Also in response to the vc pubs, last time i did that was for flawless h40

2 were "helping" and the third was the rumbler oggy talked about earlier

Still got it done because i clutched up and hard carried a 3 man at the end because the 4th got himself locked oob

[wraith sphinx]

cursed

[quartz barn]

Boi tried to cheese the colosseum doors and got grabbed through them by a mutie

[wraith sphinx]

lmaooo

I love mutie oob shenanigans

it's like they go "alright that's enough darktide for you" and yeet you out of the sandbox

[summer prairie]

Not sure what it is doing, unless it's rounding up after each step. So first when calculating your curio hp bonus and also after applying the havoc penalty but it shouldn't be like that. I wonder if the hp is the same on the server

[obtuse dome]

I personally think the rumbler just attracts these players seeking some kind of cheese to get around the game because its so overpowered rn

[dusk timber]

Hmmm

Cheese

[obtuse dome]

I maily play ogryn and i personally dont like the weapon at all

[dusk timber]

https://tenor.com/view/nazrin-cheese-big-beefy-bunger-burger-rabid-lotc-gif-23704163

[obtuse dome]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-kitty-cake-eating-chewing-gif-23711816

[white valley]

I like it in a dedicated build with BLO, but do avoid it because it's too strong

Mostly play clubgryn or pickaxegryn

With ripper gun

[obtuse dome]

I dont like it and ogrynheimer is pathetic cheese imo

Why even play at that point

[white valley]

Kaboom is funny

But it needs nerfing for sure

[plucky flax]

Based sword for havoc.

[white valley]

Wtf is that

[dusk timber]

A crime

[fallen osprey]

Pls use spoiler, I wasn't ready

[dusk timber]

Ngl i kinda wish deflector was basekit on the force sword and fgs

[fallen osprey]

Fck deflector we have empathic evasion

😄

[white valley]

That would be nice

Kinda weird that it requires a blessing when the block always puts up a warp shield

[weary crane]

Yeah

The blessing should be parry the bullets

[fallen osprey]

my dream we could perfect parry sniper bullet with Duellist sword 😄 as psyker

[plucky flax]

And we wiped after 20 mins cos the bubble psyker did no damage.

Support zealot can even easily out damage such bad build.

Stam block deflector warpslide fgs was not the play.

[white valley]

Why I don't trust pug psykers

Sometimes you see the darndest shit in havoc

[wraith sphinx]

crazy how havoc has a higher share of stupid players playing with bad loadouts than auric

[summer prairie]

Fgs and 4 melee kills, worth

[white valley]

340 damage taken is super high for a psyker as well

It's actually painful how many people I see running bad perks or blessings in havoc

[dusk timber]

Pug

[plucky flax]

All 3 of them played way too passively in fact.

I'd book and run into a blob of range units with no follow up.

So I had to run back to the bubble all the way behind and just watch.

[white valley]

I once saw an inferno staff with + carapace damage

In havoc

Have also seen zealots run flamers with carapace damage

[solid pond]

it just does badly on carapace

using an uncanny force sword and spamming PA for brainless headshots after stacking soulblaze does wonders for your damage into rotten maps

[white valley]

I pray to the god emperor for uncanny to be giga nerfed

[dusk timber]

• uncanny strike is now canny strike

[solid pond]

I wonder if, since some blitz's take weapon blessings and have them work with the blitz

if you could apply skullcrusher with dog bomb or shock mines

I feel like we would've found that out by now

[white valley]

Don't think so

[solid pond]

but SC and uncanny are kinda even levels of dumbass for a blessing

[white valley]

Only some very specific blessings work like that

Such as lethal proximity

[solid pond]

well that is just a explosive radius flat increase to you

puncture used to/may still apply to things like shredders, and would give you more bleed for hitting something directly with the actual grenade

puncture also applying to force greatsword ranged slash if you switch in time

[plucky flax]

They should combine warp rupture into creeping flames. 6 stacks of soulblaze, enemies take 10% extra damage and aoe 10%+ damage for allies in coherency.

[languid pine]

everytime you hit a weakspot your melee does -20% less damage and you have to sharpen your blade every 5 minutes

[summer prairie]

they need to remove / rework the shriek -peril resistance node

[white valley]

Ask the zealot to bring out his relic blade so you can sharpen your duelling sword on the power field

[languid pine]

does anyone have any fun psyker gimmick builds

[dusk timber]

I think its kinda lame that rupture doesnt scale with your peril amount

[languid pine]

recently ive been having fun rubbing my sword to shoot soulblaze all over the place

i think i outdamaged a fgs scrier's gaze at one point

[acoustic jacinth]

Stop rubbing your sword all day

[wooden relic]

While you focused on Psyker, I was looking at vet and his special kills… It must be a very enjoyable game

[plucky flax]

We were overran by specials so not sure it was that enjoyable.

I ran out of throwing knives constantly. (a lot of misses)

[quartz barn]

Just use an artian ds with either 2 sharpness or 1 with razor sharp 3 deco

[wooden relic]

Right, I meant “enjoyable” 😆

[plucky flax]

Specials spawn way more than last season havoc.

Very tough now.

[acoustic jacinth]

I'm shouting it.

I have definitely felt it on vet

It's constant VoC

Free toughness nom nom nom

[wooden relic]

Now, besides trash mob hordes and elite hordes, we have specials hordes

[acoustic jacinth]

Yeees

Moreee

Moree must we fight

Go nowww

Become salvation!

[white valley]

Honestly I think flamer is super overrated right now

Specials spawn so much that not having a weapon to snipe them can really hurt

[plucky flax]

It's good because pug psykers are not doing damage.

Need to horde clear with it.

[solid pond]

what kind of gimmick?

dude with the blazing spirit greatsword build I can vouch for lol

shits fun

[white valley]

Lmao I can see that

[wooden relic]

Beg to differ. Specials are always problem, but another challenge in havoc now is the endless elite hordes. Flamethrower deals with it fairly.

[white valley]

Sure but you can grab a relic blade and chew through shit anyway

[wooden relic]

With crushers and others in there? Quite tough.

[proper spoke]

Dunno if it counts as a gimmick, but recently i’ve been running a build around keeping scrier’s gaze up as long as possible plus melee based toughness regen. Might not be optimal, but it’s a lot of fun

[white valley]

You're a zealot, GET IN THERE, MAKE THEM SCREAM

It depends on comp, if you have a psyker then I don't really see the point of flamer, if you don't have one then it's a different story

[pallid stump]

so, quick question is brain rupture any good?

[proper spoke]

It’s mountains of fun in that mode with 12 waves (i forgot the name), if you get the perk that lets you rapid fire pop 11 heads at once

[pallid stump]

mortis trials?

[proper spoke]

Thats it

[pallid stump]

never really played it

[wooden relic]

I had this exact idea in previous seasons. However, it changed with the latest patch. Rotten armor just throws in way too much armor units, and gives too much pressure on the frontline. Coupled with encroaching garden, it can be a nightmare. Flamethrower + flame staff can reduce that pressure significantly.

[pallid stump]

im leveling up my psyker for now

[acoustic jacinth]

Brain burst is pretty much the baseline for a good psyker but in some situations you can go the assail way too. BB is still very valuable

[white valley]

It's great, but keep in mind blitzes are tools, not weapons, brain burst is often used as a complement to your primary weapon

[pallid stump]

idk i find assail much more usable

[acoustic jacinth]

Because you probably use your blitz actively

[proper spoke]

I mostly use brain burst for safely taking out snipers

[pallid stump]

see that's the problem, i got used to assail being a main source of damage

which kinda succs

[acoustic jacinth]

Brain burst is good for this, getting dogs and trappers that run away, and also kinetic flayer which is free ~10% of your total dps usually

[acoustic jacinth]

Thought so

[white valley]

Brain burst is used for sniping far away ranged units or specials, and also leads into kinetic flayer which is an insanely strong talent

[pallid stump]

ill try using brain burst to cure that problem

[acoustic jacinth]

Yes

[wooden relic]

And to trigger the snowball effects of perilous combustion

[white valley]

Brain burst pairs best with voidblast and inferno staff usually

[acoustic jacinth]

If u use bb actively youll learn by getting ur ass handed to you

[pallid stump]

i hate staves ngl...

i know they are integeral to psykers but

idk not my thing

[white valley]

In that case assail is the way to go most of the time

[proper spoke]

I did one round using only brain burst. (With bots). It was fun, but a terrible strategy

[white valley]

Gunkers/meleekers use assail most of the time

[pallid stump]

thing is

if i use assail i most of the time wont use my gun/melee cuz my brain likes assail way to much

[white valley]

I assume you are in lower difficulties

[pallid stump]

for the moment yes

[white valley]

In higher ones, you will be forced to use your weapons, assail will not carry you forever

I mean you'll still use assail, but you won't have enough shards to keep doing it forever

[pallid stump]

true

[hasty smelt]

I have committed heresy.
I know we don't like Smite around here, but I have made a Smite build that is viable in Auric difficulty and is also funneh.

[pallid stump]

even on lower difficulties i dont

what if i try smite? is it any good with gun psyker?

[white valley]

Don't try smite

[pallid stump]

wont try smite

[white valley]

Don't play it, unless you're doing the penance

We do not speak of the forbidden magic here

[hasty smelt]

I'm sorry, but this is my Smite Manifesto:
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a01a9b08-bddf-4a16-b793-c361be054f6b/scriers-smite-2?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

Don't tell Hexis.

[pallid stump]

is it that bad?

[white valley]

Smite teaches extremely bad habits by effectively pausing enemies, it also deals horribly low damage by psyker standards, and other players tend to hate playing with smykers

[cold ivy]

smite works very well until it doesn't, and then you lose

[wooden relic]

Or when stuck in climbing havoc and want to cheese

[cold ivy]

but if things go well forever you'll win

[hasty smelt]

To prove that I'm not meme'ing, I've written 3 A4s worth of "why it works and why it doesn't'" as evidence of attempted brain activity.

[white valley]

Smykers when 3 poxwalkers approach them

[white valley]

I mean this in the nicest way, but there is nothing you can say about smite that hasn't been talked to death already

[icy breach]

Boi i use smite in H40 and its busted

[hasty smelt]

I'm starting to think there's a meme on the weave and it's going right over my head.

[icy breach]

Play better

[white valley]

Smykers when I kick them from the strike team

[icy breach]

Better; you’re under the water and you’re already drowning but unaware

[icy breach]

Its not bad at all; it carries actualy if played correctly (aka many ppl don’t know how 2 build smite & are not that good to stay alive on their own; hence the bias towards them)

[solid pond]

its aight

mostly used for kinetic flayer

[icy breach]

CC > Dmg always; with no CC you lose games

[hasty smelt]

Anywho, I've put in the effort - say whatever you want, but I can fry corpse-bois and I will do it for 3 consecutive minutes, moving slow as fuck, but no one in my POV will be able to walk, only dance. I will nuke your streamer's bitrate and I will die because I can't hear over the music playing in my browser.

[white valley]

Death is the best CC

[icy breach]

Many ppl use it for KF but thats a mistake imo; kinetic resonance can be nasty and ppl don’t know it

[solid pond]

its not a mistake if your build focuses on other things than wanting to sit there and brain burst things lol

[white valley]

Plus, a full team should have enough CC to handle pretty much anything

[wooden relic]

Some truth in it. In fact, modded difficulty in vermintide 2 puts a huge cap on CC and makes it difficult.

[solid pond]

builds do build for building the build towards the end product of a build

kinetic resonance can be good

[dusk timber]

Bob the builder speech bubble gif

[solid pond]

but I wouldn't use it with a bubble

[white valley]

Taunt, Chorus, Shout, Kraks, Shredders, Box, Shock Mines, Voidblast staff, Rumbler, Ogryn charge, arby charge, crusher, power maul, the list goes on

[solid pond]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1427003383847321832/zt.gif

[icy breach]

Yet another boi who thinks ‚best cc is to kill the enemy’
CC = crowd control; it has nothing to do with crowd clear & based on numerous H40 games; no ammount of dmg will achieve the safe result of a stable source of CC in your team

[white valley]

All of those are CC tools that are useful and a good comp will have multiple

[icy breach]

Its very fast; try it

[white valley]

No need to delegate a character to only CC and pathetic damage

[icy breach]

Ye only with shriek

[icy breach]

pathetic dmg

(Its my personal record btw)

[winged trail]

dr toilet

[wraith sphinx]

IN THE GRIM DARKNESS OF THE FAR FUTURE, THERE IS ONLY SMITE DISCUSSION

[hasty smelt]

I don't know man, I set rooms on fire, on lightning, and then I keep doing it forever with Scrier's Gaze. Stand in the corner and look at the blinking corpses. My team will look at it and go: "They got this" walk to the next room and see that I got that room covered too.

[wooden relic]

What did you play?

[white valley]

Was your team even playing or were they asleep?

[icy breach]

Try venting shriek; more safe & more mobile - scriers is great but has problems

[icy breach]

Don’t insult them; they did ALOT; only thing that can outdamage good smite build is rumblergryn who is very liberal with his ammo and *maybe’ purgatus in some instances but thats it

[white valley]

Every day, psyker chat has to talk about shite I mean smite