psyker-class

[royal totem]

@pale prairie u playing tonight?

[pale prairie]

Sure I could. I have plans in about a couple hours or so but should have a window in about 15 min

[royal totem]

Ah nah its fine. Im not home for 40 more. No worries. Catch you another time

[pale prairie]

I will return to cursing the hardness of fired clay

[royal totem]

Lmaoooo

In a game or irl?

[pale prairie]

Nah I am fitting under sink cabinet doors and they are just a 1/8 inch too high and scraping on. The bottom of a fire clay farm sink. I am currently hand sanding it but I am contemplating the powered orbital sander

[royal totem]

Ahhh i see

[winged creek]

thanks to all who put together the psyker build bonanza, super big help

[pale prairie]

It was Six’s brain child and he’s done most of the work collecting and writing

[ripe obsidian]

That is... not a discussion to have in a video game discord.

[pale prairie]

Yeah

[winged creek]

sweet then thanks a bunch six, that give my pysker the extra umpph to get auric storm survivor done queueing solo

[pale prairie]

There were no heroes on either side

[royal totem]

You're welcome :D. Jk jk i did nothing

[ripe obsidian]

Happy to help. Ping me if you have questions.

[pale prairie]

It is fun like a little history of different Psykers in here and the wacky builds they make

[royal totem]

I need to remain as useless as possible here

[ripe obsidian]

I would like to compile more folks' builds as I go.

[royal totem]

To keep my nooby worst sibling reputation

[pale prairie]

You’re doing a fabulous Karien impression

[royal totem]

Oooo you should do my build then

[pale prairie]

I dunno if the discord has enough room for 2 people that trash themselves

[royal totem]

It uses smite and scriers gaze

[wind spruce]

Souldrinker and wildfire are garbage nodes on any build with only perilous combustion applying warpfire

[strong gulch]

I play too close to the edge on staffker. I am not adapting well to JaD.

[pale prairie]

Maybe wildfire but agent had 78+ uptime on souldrinker when he had zero soulblaze in his build and his buddy psyker was fire trauma

[pale prairie]

[wind spruce]

Souldrinker is always good if you have a inferno/blaze trauma teammate, yes

[winged creek]

i ended up dropping JaD myself, i like the damage resist, but the risk of trading blows when i unleash a staff shot then down myself is too great

[pale prairie]

This has happened even to Six

[wind spruce]

Discord mods behaving like Reddit mods

[loud girder]

No it wasn't like that

[pale prairie]

To be fair the mod let conversation go for a while lmao

[loud girder]

I do feel for clad but supporting colonial powers then @ all mods gets you banned on any server lol

[wind spruce]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a00fe689-1e95-4083-a45c-94431d3ffdea/greased-lightning

Important info in build description

[candid temple]

triple smyker team

nothing died

[royal totem]

Wut

[keen solar]

More so for the synergy with Malefic Momentum.

[candid temple]

but at least I'm almost done

[keen solar]

Having it keeps it almost always at full stacks of both.

Plus the added 5% crit chance on warpfire kill comes in handy for helping boost that crit chance a bit more.

I'll admit it probably feels better on GS, but the infinite cleave on crit makes CCing and hordefighting into crushers a breeze. And if you have a crit aura zealot you'll go crazy.

[wind spruce]

Soul drinker doesn't synergise with MM and wildfire will not significantly change your proc rate

[keen solar]

I've been routinely getting more damage than my entire team combined.

[wind spruce]

It's charged strike that is keeping MM stacked

Not soulblaze

[keen solar]

It does when you're killing a lot of elites quickly, which makes it nice for picking elites out of a horde, and then keeps the fire chaining with how quickly chaff die.

[wind spruce]

Run the Uptime mod and actually check how much souldrinker is active

[keen solar]

When both the wildfire and shock are competeing DOT numbers on an enemy it makes it pretty fast.

Sometimes the wildfire gets the last tick and boom

[wind spruce]

You're evidently confused. It's perilous combustion that is providing the warpfire. Souldrinker has literally zero direct synergy with MM

Wildfire is doing almost nothing for you with only perilous combustion to provide the initial soulblaze needed for Wildfire to even do anything

[keen solar]

Did you miss the previous? I'm using it for the crit chance to prock Perfect Strike on Heavy Sword.

For the infinite cleaving heavies.

[wind spruce]

Yes. That isn't direct synergy

[keen solar]

It's a loop lol

Have none of ya'll played Risk of Rain?

[wind spruce]

One that is only occurring in your imagination because soulblaze is getting fuck all killing blows in your build

Just run the Uptime mod and you'll see

[keen solar]

Well then I'll get the mod and see

But I really do think it works fairly well all things considered.

[wind spruce]

Ofc you've gotta test it without a soulblaze focused psyker on your team

[keen solar]

Well this build does have good synergy with that

[wind spruce]

It has a small amount of synergy.

[ripe obsidian]

is it a good build or a trolling one?

[strong gulch]

I still haven't figured out the last point for EP BB

[royal totem]

Its standard smyker lmao

[rapid steeple]

siblings, is it worth taking perilous combustion on melee scrier's psyker still? I'm running my crit right side build but I feel like I'm losing on potential against elite blobs without PC

vulnerable minds and warp ghost are too good to give up imo

[ripe obsidian]

I can link it in the smite section if you want to be forever linked to that shame

[ripe obsidian]

I have some advice in the melee section on the guide in the pins

[strong gulch]

PC won't be a huge part of your damage when it's the main SB source, but if you have an extra point it's nice.

but yee see pins

[wind spruce]

@thorn cedar would say yes and I agree IF you are good enough to be solo clutching for your team. If you're kinda mid perilous combustion by itself just never reaches the stacks required to be effective

@ripe obsidian just ignoring my build link 😭

[rapid steeple]

I took a look at it and it's some good advice..
I've felt that Just a dream really isn't that effective even in hav40

and I guess I can get rid of cruel fortune too

[cold glade]

do you guys prefer assail or smite

[wind spruce]

JaD is extremely strong in all difficulties inc. H40

[ripe obsidian]

I'm puttin' it in

what section do you want it in

[narrow herald]

BB 😈

[rapid steeple]

Noted, I guess I just haven't gotten around to seeing it really pull it's weight haha

[wind spruce]

Scriers/meleeker related section as that's the focus

Have you started building an index @ripe obsidian

[rapid steeple]

I mostly play melee psyker anyways so I can just have a clone of the build lol

[royal totem]

Plz dont lmao. I was jking

[candid temple]

if you get 6 warp charge perk, then it requires me to be at 6 right?

[wind spruce]

Yes

But pick it anyway and take one of the nodes to get extra charges

[candid temple]

If you're at max charges, do you still get essence harvest?

[wind spruce]

Yes

[candid temple]

[keen solar]

Idk?

64% combat uptime seems pretty good

5% crit chance for 60% of the combat

[wind spruce]

Any other psykers in the game?

[keen solar]

No?

This was auric maelstrom tho

So I was going in on the elites

[wind spruce]

Still pretty impressive

[keen solar]

I'll try some more games

Seeing 60% at my best level of play versus my worst lol

So we'll see

[wind spruce]

Could be different in H40 or a different mael seed but I'm not to bone headed to eat my words

[wind spruce]

I feel that

[keen solar]

Yeah H40 I wouldn't consider it

Wildfire doesn't stack enough to make it worth

Unless it was with another psyker w/ flame staff and a crit aura zealot.

I just think it sucks that Psyker's only carapace cleaving weapon is HS on crits

Like I guess the GS special counts?

[ripe obsidian]

Rotten armor + contaminated stimms is hectic

[candid temple]

[solid pond]

Don't let people hear you saying that

[candid temple]

Kinetic Flayer doesn't work for this either?

[solid pond]

That'd be free and we don't want that

[candid temple]

oh can fuck off

[solid pond]

But really, the penance is likely about actually using the blitz not directly benefiting from something else

Kinda doesn't make sense since others can benefit from the upgrades

But I can sort of see the dumb argument

Lol

[candid temple]

It's just annoying, especially since I was hoping to also do power up.

[solid pond]

Like smoke, penance for it is to have it engulf things, that counts for hordes running into it, tinkerer makes smokes last 2x as long, doing the penance faster because more things run through cloud that is there for longer

[candid temple]

but BB'ing without Kinetic Resonance makes me want to kms

[patent mango]

me updating fatshark with weekly rank decay so they get demoted if they ever go on vacation

[gentle hamlet]

Hey guys

Why is kinetic flayer actually pretty good

I thought it was buns

[ripe obsidian]

I do not care for rotten armor

[stark crown]

The servers actually have this fun fact, they less they check on them the more they decay overtime

[strong gulch]

KF procs on high value targets (exludes bursters and unaggro DH). It's 100% now, so you can better control when something is a one shot (mutie, bomber, gunner, etc). That paired with SB talents helps SB to snowball (which it wants because a lot of SB damage is exponential plus talents working off SB).

You get that while not needing to actively swap to your blitz.

[paper harbor]

KF is my favorite to make lightning ball

[royal totem]

god my reactions are slow today

[proper spoke]

Nemusugiru

[candid temple]

mfw smyker smites demonhost

instead of stabbing it

[royal totem]

i am very tired today yes.

[gray kelp]

EK crit surge build does pretty good damage

[rancid jasper]

anyone made a build with the new crystalline will yet?

[cold glade]

what’s the best staff rn pretty please 🥹

[ripe obsidian]

what difficulty?

[royal totem]

ventilation purge while i'm tired is double bad

[cold glade]

damnation

[ripe obsidian]

EK or Voidblast, probably.

[cold glade]

ty

[rancid jasper]

no purg?

[ripe obsidian]

the enemy density is too low in damnation

[rancid jasper]

purg seems broken in any difficulty above heresy to me lol

but fair, it does do best in density

[solid pond]

Not like it'll do badly with less enemies

Still gonna kill them to death, it just happens to kill even larger amounts to death just as good

[paper harbor]

hey why unstable power is said 5% instead 20%?

[royal totem]

i......keep dying today

[ripe obsidian]

I am very bad at chess, but sometimes I get to bully people

I really didn't need to make three queens to win

But it amused me

[sturdy reef]

tbh you can outpace it even on auric

[royal totem]

hmmm........ anybody give me some vet advice? what should i give for perks to my combat knife on vet

i refuse to visit the vet channel

[cold glade]

brain blast

[restive slate]

Use smite

[rancid jasper]

did you do it for fun or do you just not know how to CHECKmate with bishop and rook be honest

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/where-you-at-gif-21177622

is this the chess discord?

[royal totem]

yes

[zinc phoenix]

Pawn to Queen 6 9

[rancid jasper]

psykers play chess cause theyre smart or something

[ripe obsidian]

hush, you

[rancid jasper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVSCgbKa1ZM here you go homie [NOT MY VIDEO NOT SELF PROMO]

i believe in u

[ripe obsidian]

I just started playing like 1-2 weeks ago

I am only like 500 elo

Finally, a win

H40 is so easy without rotten armor, wtf

[pale prairie]

No way....havocs without the kryptonite of Inferno is easy?

[sturdy reef]

rotten armor isnt too bad

obscurus gud

[solid pond]

Rotten isn't even the Kryptonite of inferno if you have brain cells lol

[ripe obsidian]

Rotten armor is fine until my entire team falls over

[solid pond]

Deimos PA spam stacking uncanny makes inferno kill them too

[sturdy reef]

gotta get fotf in there

deimos dum

embrace obscurus

[solid pond]

[plucky flax]

Shank the big guys with a knife.

[sturdy reef]

smh not part of the cult

[deft stump]

Flak, maniac, cara, unyielding all works. Just what do you have most difficulty with or hate the most.

[royal totem]

Even if my plasma gun also has +carapace?

[deft stump]

Why are you shooting crushers with plasma?

Is like, inefficient unless you are partying and everyone else gives up ammo to you.

[upbeat kestrel]

because plasma is antitank gun?

[royal totem]

Idk? Somebody said with a proper setup it can 1 shot plasma? Idk what im doing on vet

[strong gulch]

Have you played hnefatafl?

[solid pond]

It can 1 shot auric crushers

Doubt it can into havoc but I can check later

[deft stump]

That's lore stuff. It's 4 shots to kill now if not stacking all the buffs to 1-2 shot.

[solid pond]

Exe into MMF is kinda a meme build but charged shot can 1 tap 6500hp crushers

[royal totem]

So wont 1 shot havoc then.

[sturdy reef]

This has been pretty good for me with voidstrike

[solid pond]

Haven't tried

Will test when I'm home

[sturdy reef]

MMF ES with helbore shits out ranged damage on havoc

[deft stump]

But then charged shot. I expect alot of NOT psyker mishaps lul.

[sturdy reef]

its better than plasma

[solid pond]

Eh

Considering what you have to run to make it do that, hard debatable lol

[royal totem]

Im running...krak grenades and shout

Very meme

[sturdy reef]

Im not shooting crushers with it lol

[upbeat kestrel]

i mean if you run helobre you already specialize a lot

[upbeat kestrel]

witj helbore you should

paradoxically

[sturdy reef]

if you run MKIV

yes

[upbeat kestrel]

yes

[sturdy reef]

better to run kraks with the other marks

[royal totem]

Also.....i keep thinking i have empathic evasion as vet T.T

[upbeat kestrel]

from my experience of not auric other marks of helbore a good enough

[ripe obsidian]

I do not know what this is

[royal totem]

@deft stump i probably shouldnt run +carapace if im running kraks huh ._.

[deft stump]

Yeah. I just gave you the list that most use.

[solid pond]

Kraks won't kill all carapace tbf

[deft stump]

But they wanna shoot cara anyway.

[royal totem]

I thought it does 😮

[solid pond]

They're good, they're not unlimited lol

[deft stump]

So, you might as well stab stab hordes.

[deft stump]

Just get lucky, it's easy. /j

5%

[royal totem]

I mean...ill stop shooting carapace T.T i just thought plasma is supposed to melt crushers or something T.T

[solid pond]

Shrimple

[royal totem]

Its what ppl told me ._.

[plucky flax]

Sry it was me

[solid pond]

They can be wrong

[deft stump]

You can, but it's more, shoot into a pack to save people than shoot all of them.

[solid pond]

[sturdy reef]

its always the unsanctioned psyker

the only gun you should shoot at a crusher is an autopistol...

[royal totem]

Thanks for the help

[solid pond]

Plasma has pretty good stagger into headshots so you can slow stuff down

[plucky flax]

I use flamer/purg on crusher.

They take extra burn damage because enclosed in heavy armour.

[sturdy reef]

warm them up

[solid pond]

But it's just ammo inefficient to try kill them with it all the time

[plucky flax]

It's lore friendly.

[sturdy reef]

if you're cold, they're cold

[strong gulch]

Hnefatafl older than chess. It's a Viking game that's kinda like chess but it's definitely not the same. It being so old means there's multiple rules, names, and ways to play. All of the pieces move like a rook and you have to capture the king or escape as the king.

[solid pond]

Crushers just want a hug

[sturdy reef]

Brushers

[solid pond]

Bruhshers

[deft stump]

Basically what I said. Is fine to use it to help someone a distance away and here there, but inefficient.

[sturdy reef]

when heby sword good

[solid pond]

Heby sord new carapace meta

[sturdy reef]

I dont need every weapon to be good against cara but like

cmon

[plucky flax]

It's good in auric.

[deft stump]

Never, unless you get 3 oggies to bully armoured.

[sturdy reef]

everything good in auric

[royal totem]

I gave a poxburster hug today

[sturdy reef]

tbf

[plucky flax]

On chastise zealot.

[sturdy reef]

thats cheating

[plucky flax]

Tru

Bonus damage op

[royal totem]

Then they exploded.

[plucky flax]

Make crap ogryn damage into okay ogryn damage.

[solid pond]

Is chastise the old name for FotF?

[royal totem]

I thought i made a friend 🙁

[deft stump]

You mean free rending.

[sturdy reef]

its the base ability name

I think

[plucky flax]

Chastise the wicked.

[solid pond]

No friends in 40k

[plucky flax]

Sorry I am an old head.

[solid pond]

Unless oggy

[solid pond]

Yea I knew that I just didn't remember what it was from lol

Though it might've been a talent now maybe

Technically it is

[plucky flax]

It souds cooler to me too.

[solid pond]

Yeah

[sturdy reef]

time to play balls of fury

and gamble

[solid pond]

Fury of the faithful could be anything

[plucky flax]

Yeah can just be a damage buff.

Enraged mode etc.

[solid pond]

Running at someone at mach Jesus with a whip sounds like chastise the wicked

[plucky flax]

Yo remsky did you try headshot cdr?

Instead of wounds cdr?

[sturdy reef]

it is good

I havent tried it in H40 yet tho

[solid pond]

It's probably the best one lol

[deft stump]

Just swing head lvl.

[plucky flax]

The only weapon I use crit cdr for is knife.

All other weapons I use headshot cdr.

[solid pond]

Most consistent CDR with no need to be low HP, while also having more CDR than the low HP one

Cuz you're already aiming at heads, if you're not

Uh

Skill issue

[sturdy reef]

the MS operative node is kinda meh

but at least its only a 1 node tax

[plucky flax]

Ye

[deft stump]

Crits with knoife is like 50% crit rate though.

[plucky flax]

And movespeed is always good.

[solid pond]

Same CDR though, just longer no?

[deft stump]

1 sec longer.

[solid pond]

2 vs 3 seconds

Yea

[sturdy reef]

knife with piety can def get more than 50% crit rate

[plucky flax]

They made the momentum keystone really strong now.

[sturdy reef]

gotta also consider scourge

[solid pond]

I gotta try a lacerate/crit zealot knife build

[deft stump]

I forgot about it. And since you can run lacerate lul.

[solid pond]

Sounds funny

With mercy killer

[plucky flax]

Lacerate is really good.

[deft stump]

It is funni.

[plucky flax]

Go for body shots.

[sturdy reef]

Im happy to drop piety

[deft stump]

Dingdingdingdingding.

[sturdy reef]

and just go middle and right keystone

[plucky flax]

My havoc choir build still use piety

[solid pond]

Piety can be nice for big support builds, 10 crit for the team is neat

[sturdy reef]

same

[plucky flax]

I take the 10% crit chance for allies too

[sturdy reef]

it is the best support keynode

[solid pond]

And the bleed damage boosting everyone

[sturdy reef]

just for that one lol

[plucky flax]

Just support and forget about it.

Yeah and the increase damage on bleed.

Then lacerate knife and shank.

[solid pond]

Why do damage when everyone else can

enabler play style

[sturdy reef]

use paul on ogryn with skullcrusher

its fun now

[solid pond]

Run it with Bistol for puncture for debuff on range too

[plucky flax]

I won a game with oggy using paul actually.

[solid pond]

If only zealots had shredders

[sturdy reef]

the paulgryn is pretty decent

[plucky flax]

No I have to use flamer to help with thicc horde clear.

[sturdy reef]

the special cdr only thing holding it back

[solid pond]

That's good too

Paulgryn is very good

[plucky flax]

I think paul guy did decent damage let me try to find scoreboard.

[solid pond]

I don't play ogryn that much and did a bunch of 40s the other day on 200 ping paulgryn

[plucky flax]

Better than the ds4 stealth zealot Xd

I got scammed. I thought he was going to do big damage.

[sturdy reef]

DSV is the truth

[solid pond]

Tbh I don't really notice it

It's a big burst of damage and CC it feels like a 12s cool down grenade lol

Immediately evaporating a crusher and knocking everything else over is very nice

[sturdy reef]

the ogryn holding paul to the sky is a pretty funny animation

[solid pond]

He's got a pulley system in his shoulder

[sturdy reef]

https://tenor.com/oQy4UWjiYu5.gif

[solid pond]

Gotta crank it back

[plucky flax]

Hmm don't have it probably on my pc at home.

[ripe obsidian]

That's neat. I will look it up, thank you

[plucky flax]

Extremely sus build

[sturdy reef]

[ripe obsidian]

is that one of my builds?

I don't think it is

[plucky flax]

I made smol adjustment I'm taking warp speed.

I don't think it's your build.

It's my own version of syllo's surge surge meme build.

I think he runs melee attack speed.

[ripe obsidian]

Blue stim ragers are my nightmare

• Blue stimm effects:
• Carapace override, making dots inherently less effective
• Reduces Armour Damage Modifiers (ADMs):
• 0.8 ADM reduction for unarmoured, unyielding, infested and maniac
• 0.6 ADM reduction for flak, and carapace
• Reduces impact by 200%

[grim inlet]

I know this is psyker chat but I did an invisible back hit with a fully charged heavy attack on a dreg rager on a havoc 40 mission earlier that was attacking someone else with my thunder hammer with 5 stacks of headtaker and 3 stacks of thrust and it didn't die. Then I shot it 5 times with the zarona immediately after and it was still alive. I legitimately didn't know what to do after that. First time playing where i accepted death

[cold ivy]

if it's actually ADMs instead of just damage reduction% then it's probably uncanny again... +1.2 ADM from rending will fix it right up (brittleness will probably also work but there's less of it available). fighting multiple unstaggerable ragers with dueling sword is kinda sketchy though

[solid pond]

I wish we had a node that was movement speed based on peril

[plucky flax]

Mind in motion rework.

[bright summit]

Their adm goes to 0 if derg shooters, ragers and something else I forgot are standing on pox gas btw

Pox gas stimms is numerically impossible if you don't have rending or team AOE brittle

[wraith sphinx]

[proper spoke]

I love this idea

[buoyant maple]

it's not an ADM reduction
blue stim gives them DR based on their original armor type which stacks additively with pox gas' DR effect for up to 100% on some enemies, then converts their armor type to Carapace fully (all ur attacks will use Carapace ADM vs them) and gives them 2x mass, and -200% impact modifier (which makes them immune to all stagger except forced stagger)
you cannot mitigate this DR with anything (except instakill override), including rending and brittleness

[buoyant maple]

combine's guide words it very confusingly, it's DR, not ADM modifier

[summer prairie]

Ogryn rock should still oneshot some of them

[buoyant maple]

ogryn rock has instakill override which doesn't care about damage dealt

[summer prairie]

Yes

[buoyant maple]

not sure if haymaker also bypasses this?

[summer prairie]

Should

[buoyant maple]

last I checked I remember haymaker needing to do >0 dmg to proc or smth

[summer prairie]

Oh yeah, at least with bulwarks

[buoyant maple]

haymaker doesn't work on ogryns

[summer prairie]

How do you remember it needing more than 1 damage then

[buoyant maple]

I tested it on bully club, before it got gigabuffed, when it used to deal 0 dmg past 3rd target

[summer prairie]

Ah

[ripe obsidian]

Dude, I know. I was backing up, trying push attack with my force sword, trying Inferno LMB, he had like 25 stacks of Soulblaze. "Please, spare me."

The vet had to use a krak to save me

[clear quarry]

Does anybody like the new tree, I don't mean the new nodes, I mean the design of the tree? I like the changed nodes, however this new tree is abhorrent.

[ripe obsidian]

Yes, the new tree is 1000% better than the old one

[clear quarry]

In what way do you like it more? I have more taxes that serve no purpose to me than I did taxes that served purpose.

[raven mountain]

Far more fluid, able to make choices at extra intervals.

[ripe obsidian]

They removed a lot of the bad tax nodes and made it so much easier to move between key abilities

What is your build that you're struggling?

[clear quarry]

I'm not struggling. I just don't like the design.

[ripe obsidian]

You're expressing that you're struggling to get your build online due to the shape of the tree

[raven mountain]

And several things I used to have to branch for are now just right there.

[clear quarry]

No I just don't like it, I have around 8 builds I run fine.

[ripe obsidian]

Then I don't understand.

What are the tax nodes?

Elaborate, please.

[clear quarry]

Specifically, I enjoyed the previous choice of toughness talent options at the top, and I think the middle nodes between aura and blitz are dog of water unless you play melee.

[raven mountain]

Other than there being lots of good nodes only a point or two away, taunting me, it feels infinitely better.

[ripe obsidian]

You have more choice of toughness gen now than before

[clear quarry]

The nodes on the left scream bolt staff that is coming out in 3 years even if you want to play gimmick lightning crit spam, the middle one makes me play like vet, and the ones on the right are gunker exclusive and don't get me started on mind in motion.

[summer prairie]

you basically get the middle nodes for free

[ripe obsidian]

@thorn cedar

[summer prairie]

not sure what you mean by the previous choice of toughness talent nodes

[raven mountain]

I mean, they merged the two of the toughness talents into one.

[clear quarry]

Before hand, the middle nodes I got for free were the ones I wanted, now I take melee nodes instead.

[summer prairie]

by free I mean that it's cheaper to reach the bottom of the tree now

[clear quarry]

Maybe I just have terrible memory because nothing was changed about the toughness, weird...

[raven mountain]

Quietude is now both on gained and on lost peril now.

[clear quarry]

I may just be coping on the mettle nerf, it was changed to regen now?

I think I ran exclusively mettle soulstealer before for 3 points only with perilous. When I retrofitted my builds, I've had about 1 or 2 points less.

[raven mountain]

And they added a strictly melee node in place of the other one, which is nice for specific things.

I used to run all 4 of the outside diamond, grabbing the damage after crit nodes too.

[clear quarry]

Yeah, maybe I'm psyching myself out with how much I dislike the segment above the auras.

[summer prairie]

nearly every build has at least 1 additional point to spend with the new tree

[raven mountain]

Pre-aura stuff is in a pretty good spot rn. And quietude got big strong with the merging.

[clear quarry]

My previous H40 flame stave let me take mettle perfect timing.

I may just be in a dream, my beloved has taken some of my points.

[ripe obsidian]

Mettle + perfect timing are insanely easy to get

[summer prairie]

the left and the right keystones are cheaper to get in the new tree

[raven mountain]

And for the post-aura cluster, left-most is pretty staff-centric, soul drinker access is nice for soulblaze builds. Down the middle is generically good now for hybrid playstyle, though the attack speed is also nice for scrier's builds.

[clear quarry]

Is penetration of the soul worth taking in general, and for Blaze DoT?

[summer prairie]

it's not good, maybe for trauma

[raven mountain]

I'm not too in love with that section, I guess, but it's far from bad and has some reasonable choices.

[solid pond]

Yea if you need rending on SB just stack uncanny

[clear quarry]

To this day I do not know the math on rending.

[clear quarry]

I figured as much, what a shame.

Is there a reason why the devs are in love with +10 15 20 rending nodes?

[ripe obsidian]

Rending is bad.

[clear quarry]

Unless you can get 150% of it basically. I figured as much, I just wanted to dream of a world where it was useful I suppose. Thx everyone, I have rejigged my loadout a little.

[ripe obsidian]

I have ADMs at the bottom of my pinned build guide

Anything over 100% gets 1/4 effectiveness from rending

[solid pond]

100% is fine, any more just gets converted into lesser damage

Can still be good but you will almost always be better off going damage nodes

[clear quarry]

Oh I see you drop peril blocking. It's so ingrained in me I put it in every loadout lest I screw over some really dependent muscle memory in my gameplay.

[ripe obsidian]

It is, admittedly, taxy now

Sadly

[solid pond]

Yeah I haven't been taking it either

My havoc build don't need it lol

Just kill them with SB and or outregen their damage to toughness and not care

[clear quarry]

I run duelling sword exclusively for movement and peril blocking for revives.

[solid pond]

It'd be nice for revives but I haven't found myself needing it

[clear quarry]

Lets exchange teammates

[solid pond]

Lmao

[summer prairie]

haymaker not even that bad when playing Contaminated Stimms, forgot that the stacks drop one by one now and you don't lose stacks when missing

it's very misleading that the description still says you get stacks on chained heavy hits

[solid pond]

To be fair, on the matches I lose they were lost anyway and the matches that don't go to shit, I can get those rezzes

Bubble on them and stagger the group with inferno m1 or a M2 wave across them into revive or just stabbing a crusher in the forehead with Deimos to knock them back has been good enough

I think only my scriers/DD build runs KD

[ripe obsidian]

@wind spruce your build should be in the guide now

I'm working on hyperlinking every section so people can hop around if they choose not to use the outline I set up

Also, I moved Warp Ghost to yellow in the meleeker template

Also fleshed out the Other Reading section a little more

[spark swallow]

Anyone knows if when you're going into blowing up animation, any forms of grabs/trap will make you instantly explode intentional?

[fallen osprey]

There is no bug in this game. Only features. Hope it answers the question

[ripe obsidian]

Yes.

[spark swallow]

damn that sucks. there are alot of times I could vent out of it after a grab animation but ever since they made it instant, it gives you less chance. like dog pounce as well

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, I learned that the hard way

[ripe obsidian]

I am struggling with where to put my last point for a generic SG meleeker build. By Crack of Bone? Tranquility through Slaughter? Warp Ghost?

This is meant to be one-size-fits most, pick up and go.

[woeful sigil]

I'd do warp ghost since you have warp unbound

and warp rider, no reason to not have that extra damage at all times

it stacks really well with scrier's gaze cause you get to just max peril + scriers damage buff

30% damage from scriers, max peril gets you another 20%, and another 25% from perfectionism on disrupt destiny

[cosmic cobalt]

personally i just swap unbound for ghost

[woeful sigil]

hes got a spare point

29/30

[cosmic cobalt]

empathic for by crack of bone

uh

so 1 for ghost

swap unbound for crack

swap empathic for tranquil in slaughter

swap 25 stack to 10s dd

[woeful sigil]

I never use crack of bone because it removes your damage buff for warp rider

[cosmic cobalt]

scrier is a bigger damage bonus if you can keep it for longer

also warp rider only affect assail

[zealous wing]

LMAO

no

all damage

[woeful sigil]

yeah thats all damage

they did change one of the starting perks too from warp damage to flat damage

[cosmic cobalt]

damn

[woeful sigil]

perfect timing

is no longer warp damage

thats another 15% if you're running crits

[cosmic cobalt]

meh just do it anyway

[woeful sigil]

real shit I just use scrier's briefly so I can warp unbound machine gun people with voidstrike

[cosmic cobalt]

assail when you need peril

[woeful sigil]

I don't even try to get the full 30%

I'm more focused on machine gunning my disrupt destiny targets

[cosmic cobalt]

difference between 80 peril and 100 is like 4% damage

plus it proc quitetude

so crack proc

[woeful sigil]

i'm like rich piana, i got that 4% tattoo'd to my neck

[cosmic cobalt]

get to 79

assail

free toughness

both way

[woeful sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-flashbang-gif-25002731

[cosmic cobalt]

the most important part of the whole thing is warp ghost anyway to maintain peril

[dusk timber]

Perio

[cosmic cobalt]

My beloved say

Kill yourself

[wind spruce]

MUMMA I MADE IT

Will check out the changes soon

[marble crater]

The build with the great description

[white valley]

Why can I not open the doc on mobile, how irritating

[dusk timber]

Same

[wind spruce]

I was falling asleep as I was writing it and genuinely GENUINELY think I was hallucinating towards the end.... there's a line at the end about goblins after I say "stay safe losers!" that is a reference to the book series I'm reading atm but it makes absolutely no sense in context of the build and I describe them as "friendly licky" lmfao

[marble crater]

Skill issue

[plucky flax]

Try this build

[white valley]

True and real

[marble crater]

It works if they made it that far into the description people won't mind

[marble crater]

No, it's not bubble knight

[wind spruce]

I kinda love it and it works with me being an Orc

I get why people wanna kill those thieving goblin bastards always trying to slip poisonous mushrooms into the orc stew but us greenskins gotta stick together!

[marble crater]

https://tenor.com/view/gale-of-waterdeep-exactly-baldurs-gate3-bg3-gale-exactly-gif-24400611

[white valley]

Got the doc to work, finally

[wind spruce]

I wish they'd remove bubble from the game

Honestly a higher priority than a smite rework

[white valley]

What

Hell no

Bubble is the goat

[dusk timber]

I can understand not liking bubble but saying removing it is a higher priority than smite is delusional

[white valley]

Bubble has HP and therefore isn't unlimited protection, it also gets screwed hard by Tox Bombers and sometimes even Scab Bombers

Smite just disables enemy AI

Bubble is undeniably strong, it even protects against flamers, trappers and burgles, but it doesn't stop the entire game which smite does

[marble crater]

Remove both

[white valley]

Leave bubble alone

[marble crater]

Oh no

[white valley]

Leave Bubble Spears alone

[marble crater]

https://tenor.com/view/leaveheralone-crying-hard-sobbing-uncontrollably-gif-22011715

[white valley]

Is bubble more worthy of removal than shout or chorus

[dusk timber]

The only thing imo that actually deserved to get removed was loner

[white valley]

TRUE

[dusk timber]

Other problematic stuff like shout are completely salvageable

[white valley]

Shout's a lot more reasonable now with the nerf to CDR

[patent steeple]

yeah, the whole (intended) point of Aura nodes are to give buffs to not just you, but the team as well. Loner Aura didn't do that, and even gave QP speedrunner trolls an excuse to not be with the team at all (they always could've claimed they were still grinding the associated penance)

[wraith sphinx]

Loner was also extremely uninteresting and provided a meager bonus even by aura standards

[patent steeple]

ye, that as well.

[wraith sphinx]

whatever even happened to the loner penance? I assume peeps who did it kept their 5 points when it was removed?

[loud girder]

they reworked it and reworded it to fit the change

[wraith sphinx]

ah

[loud girder]

i refused to do it and it paid off

"leave coherency and backstap 1000000 mobs in the toe" NO THANKS

[wraith sphinx]

I did it, it wasn't fun

[patent steeple]

wait, BACKSTAB?! why couldn't it have been just simple kills...

even with Shroudfield for easy backstabs, that's still quite a lot for a garbage penance...

[marble crater]

It wasn't that many enemies but yes backstab

[loud girder]

it forced you to do unatural and bad gameplay lol

[marble crater]

Many of the zealot penances were some nonsense

[white valley]

I literally did that penance by pushing enemies to stagger them so I could hit their back

[loud girder]

on paper the goal of it is to make u do funny assassin shit except doing that is the most unfun shit ever in this game

[white valley]

Nooo my shroudfield combat blade loner build is so good

[patent steeple]

stun many snipers from a long distance with stun nade at least sounds nonsensical on paper, because you could just shoot them instead...

[marble crater]

Got that very quickly because of luck

[patent steeple]

ahh yes, HISTG sniper clusters, right?

[cosmic cobalt]

yeah it actually good now

no longer funny

😔

[marble crater]

I just threw one at a sniper and was lucky that nobody killed it, I think that one was only one sniper

There was another where you needed to kill 40 enemies while they are stunned though

[white valley]

With crits

40 stunned enemies with crits

[radiant frigate]

behind enemy lines means you're behind them and not with your team
it be how it be
at least it's very similar to the IJ/shroudfield penances so you knock out all three together

oh and it had to be shooters

[wind spruce]

goddamn, why is the force greatsword so cool and so annoying at the same time. every light swing combos into a different heavy attack (cool), but BOTH the weapon switch and slide/sprint heavy attacks add an extra swing before the stab heavy (not cool)

when I switch to the FGS i have to add a microsecond block to bypass the extra attack

also who was trying to tell me that the FGS special doesnt have damage falloff if it crits? was that you @steel flame ?

[patent steeple]

yeah, I never remember to block first when switching to FGS...

[wind spruce]

ive only just started to try it so if its remotely intense fighting im not managing it yet. ive managed to ingraine doing a light swing before i start sliding towards enemies though

you can get two full slides in while holding the heavy stab

[patent steeple]

I'm still trying to decide what ranged to pair with FGS meleeker. nearly every gun I have tried has problems.

• Recon can't kill dreg ragers/reapers quickly enough, which is often why I would bring it out to begin with.
• Laspistol is too accurate and is semi auto. I prefer to just hold down the fire button to watch everything die.
• VIAG is good, but I tend to struggle hitting medium range stuff because of the recoil, and I never remember to crouch while shooting...
• Shredder would be a nice hybrid of VIAG firerate and Laspistol mobility, but the range on it is bad enough that I often need to mag dump just to kill one enemy at medium range...

[wind spruce]

ok hear me out

what if you had a plasma-esque gun just with slower projectiles

and it came out of a stick

ive been running LMB EK with normal right side gunker

i never use right click

and its off chops

its just straight up better than recon

[patent steeple]

hmmm, yeah I have tried it, but I would need to take off Anticipation for Warp Speed, and I want to have 4 dodges in case of ragers/other emergencies...

[wind spruce]

do you use tranq through slaughter

[patent steeple]

no

[wind spruce]

im sure theres something you can shave off

[patent steeple]

aside from maybe MM, Mettle/Expenditure, or EE, not really... I could potentially take off Combustion, tho, but idk if that's smart...

[hallow finch]

The revolver

You can bash down ragers with fgs I think

[wind spruce]

if you want to clutch/carry really high density situations you have to have combustion

(on high havoc)

otherwise its totally skippable

[patent steeple]

agri or zarona, and what blessings? I have tried agri revolver, but Crucian Roulette requires I always magdump, which means I have very little ammo after killing ragers groups/reapers...

[wind spruce]

https://outplayed.tv/warhammer-40k-darktide/VlyE4X

ok this seems broken (and just weird)

@summer prairie every time i swing the FGS special into these groups it gives me a different result as to how many are actually affected by charge strike

[zealous wing]

lmao... vet dies, over and over, in heresy.
"too spread out"
not 2 minutes later, i indicate the extract door of the smelter complex, and he fuckin runs the other way, not to me and the zealot, not the other zealot on the other side of the arena, just, away. fucking dies, again (was also mag dumping into a horde, only to be slammed in the back by like 4 maulers)

"too spread out"

that was your fault buddy

the way was clear when i indicated, he WAS with us

then he just, bailed

[patent mango]

have you ever played heresy with your life on the line 😨

[zealous wing]

i had to clutch the same heresy mission 3 times because a scriersmyker couldnt keep his hands away from the daemon hosts

[patent mango]

bluelock so goofy

[zealous wing]

he died, got the vet killed each time, and the other psyker was mostly fine but was right with me and got downed a a couple times

(im playing arby so, an inferno psyker right up in the captains face with me isnt smart)

[summer prairie]

I noticed that too, but it's a general hit detection thing I think

[patent mango]

heresy seems like some sort of tv show where you watch silly creatures performing their wicked activities

[zealous wing]

its SO fuckin weird

but, i am more chill in heresy, when its solo time

which, is progress from the shaky mess i was the first time i clutched, though to be fair, arby is more tanky than psyker so its less concerning if i fuck up

but that extra tankiness hasnt mattered tons, i generally am not getting hit much, so maybe itll be a confidence thing when i go back to psyker

[patent mango]

its less that arby is tankier (though they are) more that everything is on the floor so they cant even hit you

[deft stump]

I mean, I play heresy to slack and facepalm when last one alive.

[zealous wing]

pretty much what it is like now for me

[wind spruce]

https://outplayed.tv/warhammer-40k-darktide/1nz16L

@summer prairie the amount of special charge im getting seems to be irregular aswell

[summer prairie]

sometimes shriek just goes through some enemies too

[wind spruce]

as in misses them?

i think ive noticed that in the past

shrieking and just nothing being hit with CF

[summer prairie]

actually the fgs special does that more often

[marble crater]

[zealous wing]

wat the fuck

[wind spruce]

the activation on FGS doesnt register properly for me quite often

plays the animation but doesnt use the charge

[summer prairie]

right but I shoot the beam and some of the horde survives

[wind spruce]

yeah that too

[wind spruce]

Gets funnier with every watch

Seeing the ogryn pewpew is hilarious

Through his gold toughness, too, poor lad

[marble crater]

And you would think the ogryn learned, nope, did that all game long

[wind spruce]

Excellent roleplaying

[wind spruce]

@steel flame check out this video and the one I linked about 5 minutes before it. Pretty sure charged strike will be a big upgrade to your build since you're spamming EK special so much

[gray juniper]

Thank u so much ogryn. I needed a nap

[pale prairie]

Just took 2 bursters to pull out your melee to push

[patent steeple]

I'm starting to think I could put my last point into a passive peril gen reduction node on my FGS meleeker build (not BM tho, the quelling part is not what I want), just so I can get more from one Gaze activation...

I've accepted that Havoc ain't for me, so Combustion isn't a requirement (at least, according to Irosk)

[icy breach]

Ogryn being a pepega; not surprised

[pale prairie]

Careful Irosk is an Ork and they tend to BELIEVE stuff into working that really shouldn’t

[pale prairie]

Honestly I don’t believe Combustion is really necessary on a meleeker build. On a gunker build I can though

[marble crater]

At this point I already knew not to do that anymore, the first time I tried to push bursters the ogryn took me down to 20% HP, so after that I stayed all the way away from him and didn't try to push bursters anymore unless absolutely necessary

[pale prairie]

Lmao

Okay that makes more sense in your hesitation then

“Here we go again”

Surprised the vet stepped forward

[marble crater]

Maybe didn't notice the ogryn exploding them the entire mission, I think they were all fairly new players

[pale prairie]

To be fair that second burster got pushed away from you thanks to the grenade impact lmao

[zealous wing]

the number of newbies i see walk right up to bursters and give them a hug is astonishing

like, ok, in uprising or malice it might be their first burster ever

but after the third time in one mission, you gotta wonder

[pale prairie]

It’s not giving them a hug that bothers me. It’s not pushing them at all and just spamming backwards dodge as they sprint directly for the squad that is grouped up

Like buddy I am taking care of these elites can I at least trust my back to you?

[zealous wing]

trust no one

[thorn cedar]

Me: pops warp speed and outruns the blast

[zealous wing]

treat them all like they are kittens and it all makes more sense

no fear, or too much fear, scared to leave your side, or wandering off into the abyss, taking everything "edible" (ammo) they see, ready to walk off a fucking cliff, running further into danger rather than back up

the ones that stick to you like glue tho are honestly preferable to the wanderers who go get downed in some random bullshit point

"sneaky reaper, didn't see" comes to mind

[oak echo]

Anyone have a gunker build I can shamelessly copy?

[zealous wing]

i'd offer mine, but its bullshit

if i make and post mine i'll get flamed

again

[marble crater]

Should be some in the pinned builds now

[steel flame]

it was, the actual melee component of the special attack ignores hitmas just like the warp slash

[wraith sphinx]

Another accomplished ogryn roleplayer 🫡

[wind spruce]

Definitely not necessary but if im dealing with a crowd of big fuckers large enough that I have to kite them around perilous is suddenly a lifesaver

[wraith sphinx]

did I tell you about the time I had to votekick an ogryn because he inexplicably started walking in the opposite direction

[wind spruce]

Yeah but I swear someone also said that the warp slice doesn't have damage fall off when it crits

[pale prairie]

Maybe….with the hp buffs to “big fuckers” the TTK and amount of damage on just 3 soulblaze stacks is underwhelming to me

[steel flame]

god i had just the worst havoc teammate luck. lead is a psyker for a 31. the map is gloriana. the very first thing he tries to do is peak the pipe right at the start......so of course he just dies immidiatly

he then walks into a barrel i just watched him set off

[wind spruce]

How much 3 stacks does it irrelevant. How much 6,9,12, etc, stacks does is what matters

[steel flame]

so that kills him and our ogryn

[pale prairie]

I get that that’s why I said TTK

Kiting to me sounds like retreating and repositioning which is time in which stacks can fall off

[steel flame]

so now me and arby are duoing the very first platform of gloriana

so fun

[wind spruce]

Yeah but I'll make a window to get 3+ kills at once so I get some stacks that actually do something

If perilous can atleast start killing off lower health enemies it can save the situation

[steel flame]

god i really hope they go back on crusher health buff. that shit is fun ruining

[wind spruce]

@steel flame did you watch my videos

[marble crater]

Another week of slop and another week of nothing for Arbites

[pale prairie]

Yeah it’s like battle meditation to me in that situation. Sometimes good other times not. Most enemies are dying to my FGS stabs pretty damn fast and against carapace the soulblaze isn’t helping a whole lot in my opinion. As for killing chaff that’s what my warp slice is for

Which also staggers “big fuckers”

[royal totem]

@pale prairie havoc tonight?

[steel flame]

ye

[wind spruce]

It's because the art team is working on the new hive city and enemy faction

[steel flame]

no fucking clue what sorcery was happening with that

[wind spruce]

huffs more cope

[pale prairie]

Yeah I should be good for some runs

[royal totem]

nice.

:3

second hive city would be amazing but also just....i'll settle for a new map

[pale prairie]

But hey double skin release in shop

[steel flame]

im gonna riot if its not genestealers

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/the-league-ruxin-buddy-gif-4207937

[wind spruce]

As I said, it's definitely not necessary. Yes the SB still does effectively zero to carapace. And FGS special scaling linearly with density is a good point.

[patent mango]

the slop shop grows stronger soon it will doom us all

[pale prairie]

I think it’s very good on every build it’s just meleeker where I feel it’s more up to playstyle

[wind spruce]

Gonna try charged strike on your build? I reckon it'll out perform KF

[wind spruce]

I just judge it by my average warpfire damage for the build

If it's exceeding 7 or 8% I'll always keep it

[steel flame]

maybe? it does jack shit against everything the build actually struggles with (crushers) and i lose ranged sniping

[wind spruce]

If it's always sub 5% it goes

[steel flame]

ill give it a go tho

[wind spruce]

It's not like KF does a significant amount to help against packs of armour

[steel flame]

this is truth

[wind spruce]

And has no utility for ranged snipes just occasionally adds burst dps

Unless you're actually tracking its off CD I guess but who does that

[pale prairie]

I mean I played a match with a meleeker who had PC and they did do like 20-30k more damage than me (617k vs 590k roughly) BUT the point I didn’t spend on PC went into a DR node and they took more than double as much damage as me and I didn’t die twice like they did

[steel flame]

eh its good for starting engagements with combustion stacks

[pale prairie]

That’s not proof of anything really

[wind spruce]

So I reckon if charged strike gives more dps then its an upgrade

[steel flame]

ill give it a go

[pale prairie]

Oh if you’re grabbing BB KF then I absolutely believe you grab PC

There’s too much synergy

[pale prairie]

I wish charged strike was on lightning speed……

Would be funny

[wind spruce]

Sounds like it was just a skill issue on your behalf then xD

[pale prairie]

Ooooooof

[pale prairie]

That’s why said it’s not really proof of anything without more data

[wind spruce]

Forget crushers. You're potentially hitting like 20 enemies with a dot every single time you heavy slice. That's just dope.

[marble crater]

Hmmmm

[royal totem]

@pale prairie you're saying i should grab PC since i play BB KF

[steel flame]

so far it does good work on elites

garentees one shots on ragers

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/thegoon-bigoldgoon-ted-lasso-yes-yes-yes-yes-gif-701975896996955852

[royal totem]

hmmm got it. will try out sometime

[pale prairie]

There’s nothing I like more than Germans with skull motifs

[steel flame]

but i had a really bad inferno psyker contaminating my data

so i cant say yes or no yet

[wind spruce]

I want video of you chopping shit up pls

[royal totem]

sorry. was me.

[marble crater]

Can't deny it

But do I want the skull in gold or silver?

[pale prairie]

More gold highlights on the jacket inception outfit in my opinion

[marble crater]

It's obvious that gold is better once you actually zoom out yea

[strong gulch]

Gold

https://tenor.com/view/austin-powers-i-love-gold-goldmember-gif-19735343

[zealous wing]

i just got all 3

might not use the white one all that much but, eh, never know

[white valley]

Both for different builds

I always make my builds look different to prevent mistakes

[deft stump]

Is why red knoife blu knoife gud, but then I got a cash shop one and whoops happens.

[marble crater]

Whale

[white valley]

More like...fatshark

[deft stump]

Btw, the mercykiller one was blu. It made no sense.

[marble crater]

1 knife, 2 knives, red knife, blue knife

[deft stump]

I actually have 3 500 knoifes on my vet.

[marble crater]

3,5k knives is a lot of knives

[deft stump]

3x 500 power knoifes.

[marble crater]

[deft stump]

All uncanny, 1x mercykiller, 1x lacerate, 1x fleshtearer.

Might full meme triple bleed on a fourth.

[gray juniper]

Actually this gives me an amazing idea on EK scrier. Use mark 8 sword for easier mob deletion. Actually use DD and staff primary for weak spot kills with perfectionism. Chef kiss

[sturdy reef]

Stab sword beeest

Obscurus is also fun with melee psyker

[patent mango]

enhanced desc mod

[ripe obsidian]

Not enough bonuses

[verbal thistle]

Waiter

[ripe obsidian]

Scrier's Gaze needs a buff

[patent mango]

wait till next update

[verbal thistle]

More psyker buffs please

Gaze is hungry and needs another buff in a row

[zealous wing]

make speed base

[patent mango]

just merge every talent with scriers

[zealous wing]

[patent mango]

including v2 talents

[ripe obsidian]

+50% brittleness for all attacks, scaling attack speed, and an aura that applies soulblaze to all nearby enemies at a rate of 2 stacks per second

[wraith sphinx]

This is trash

WORST ult in the game

[patent mango]

yap blast

[ripe obsidian]

@wraith sphinx Warp Ghost is yellow for meleeker now

[zealous wing]

ah yes

[verbal thistle]

Is this still the same mod Kuli made or someone elses

Or was it updated recently

[zealous wing]

"do not use at 100% peril or higher"

[patent mango]

its updated in github

well some parts updated

[zealous wing]

im glad i know this now

[verbal thistle]

Okay

[zealous wing]

very important information

[patent mango]

it is cause the others dont work that way

or at elast smite

[ripe obsidian]

You can't tell me what to do

[summer prairie]

I'm at higher than 100% peril all the time

[ripe obsidian]

Just a Dream blew me up again last night. I'm gonna go back to OwtW. I got bullied by myself

[verbal thistle]

Unlocked 115% peril

[patent mango]

UNCHAINED IS SO BACK!!!!!!!!!!

https://tenor.com/bPmVP.gif

[ripe obsidian]

I was shit at Unchained. D: I played Saltzpyre

[austere warren]

I just hated unchained.

[zealous wing]

imagine if CW let you "overclock" your peril. you can finish readying and attack, launch it, and THEN explode, and the amount of peril you'd be sent over determined how much damage it did or how big the radius was

[austere warren]

I could understand it just fine but I really didn't enjoy the flow.

[dusk timber]

i need an enhanced desk mod fr

[pale prairie]

Oh man this might actually get you to do SG inferno

[pale prairie]

You played saltzpyre cause he was the goat not because bad at unchained

[thorn cedar]

oh aw i didnt see i was pinged for a MiM convo 9hrs ago lol

District Manager got fired today.

[pale prairie]

Slow that mind down

[thorn cedar]

I dunno what the fuck is going on anymore, feels like two competing operations.

[pale prairie]

Wait that wasn’t the one who stepped in and tore up reports right?

[thorn cedar]

Nah that was Manager

[pale prairie]

Good

[thorn cedar]

DM was the idiot writing us up

[pale prairie]

Fuck the corporate stooge

[static vessel]

Thinking.

[thorn cedar]

But that IS what corporate wants

[static vessel]

Hmmmmmmm

[thorn cedar]

So only the RM can fire her

So its like

The fuck man

I kinda wanna call our Regional Manager and ask what the fuck is going on

For all I know she got fired for fucking staff during working hours or some other fireable offense unrelated to her efficacy.

(Not true, just saying)

[zealous wing]

my psyker looks like such a villan right now

i need a good torso for these masks

[plucky flax]

Are you coming karien we are waiting.

[zealous wing]

actually with this, blue might be the one to work

[pale prairie]

Space pirate vibes

[strong gulch]

black

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/treasure-planet-captain-flint-pirate-evil-laugh-gold-gif-18493868

[strong gulch]

It's cold enough for the kotatsu to be turned on (just today it seems). My older cats has been bugging me to turn the table on.

[zealous wing]

my new EK outfit

[strong gulch]

I will listen to him.

[ripe obsidian]

I tried.

[strong gulch]

powerful

[ripe obsidian]

I am thinking this for a one-size-fits-all meleeker build. I was asking last night about where to put the last point. Still debating.

[thorn cedar]

Sadly I would've been late for work if I tried partaking lul

wow excuse me

you know EXACTLY

where it should go

[zealous wing]

voidblast, for now

maybe new stave on inferno instead tbh

im more likely to use inferno than VB

[ripe obsidian]

Something about a still mind, right? Immobile, even?

[thorn cedar]

brain in broken, yes

[zealous wing]

cooking

[thorn cedar]

probably PC tbh

[zealous wing]

i look like im one of the people you should be fighting

[thorn cedar]

or uh

cruel fortune

seeing as you have it in 25 stacks DD

both generically good

[pale prairie]

Needs to go to cruel fortune in my opinion. Otherwise it’s hard to get to and stay at max stacks

[thorn cedar]

I spent three hours doing the Charged Strike shenanigans and wow

[patent mango]

waow

[thorn cedar]

It sure totally does something now. And that's funny.

Still shit tho

[pale prairie]

It is a fun talent but not worth the smite pathing/ 2 points

[thorn cedar]

And the weapons that do best with it are questionable

[white valley]

Scrier's movespeed

[thorn cedar]

I will say, Dclaw1 got its moveset swapped and its actually pretty good now

No longer my vote for absolute worst weapon in the game.

[pale prairie]

Poor heavy sword

[thorn cedar]

ah fuck yeah love this song

[zealous wing]

he just looks angry

[pale prairie]

You’re confused that’s the Dueling Sword

[thorn cedar]

https://youtu.be/gFtFdUOIalk?si=yAzbfki0GMpnp4m0

listen to that fucken swing

nah it did get a change

it has a heavy strike down now

[wraith sphinx]

the reconlas skin is pretty cool

[zealous wing]

it is pretty sick

[wraith sphinx]

I like that commodore's vestures has more stuff per rotation now, I hope that's a permanent change

[zealous wing]

its not a vraks skin, but its still a good fucking gun

and yeah its supposedly the new norm

[wraith sphinx]

awesome if true

[weary idol]

I suppose it's better than nothing, but I'd rather they have done nothing instead of this half-measure

Acknowledge that the rotating store is a problem, but instead of fixing it by making it not rotate anymore they just make the rotation bigger

Fuckin' disrespectful

[thorn cedar]

It's not a problem lol.

[wraith sphinx]

they're never going to do that lol

[thorn cedar]

Not for the people making the actual money.

[weary idol]

Why the fuck would I be talking about them in that context

[ripe obsidian]

Several people mentioned they were able to stay at 15-25 stacks without Cruel Fortune, I believe

[buoyant maple]

Yes permanent
Good change
Can be better tho

[wraith sphinx]

awesome, a step in the right direction

[pale prairie]

Per the community manager it was a change started with September update

[wraith sphinx]

nice nice

[zealous wing]

look at my fucking DORK of a psyker

[thorn cedar]

Getting to 15-25 stacks is the hard part.

[zealous wing]

[pale prairie]

Again this guide is not for havoc no lifers it’s for beginners

[thorn cedar]

15 stacks is pretty much free with the 10s

But with only 5s you have to be crazy deliberate about getting those bluebois and hitting the right non-blueboi targets for a time extension.

[pale prairie]

I would also like to see some Uptime data from these people hanging above 15 stacks without cruel fortune “easily”

[pale prairie]

And ignoring priority targets

[thorn cedar]

yea it does circle back to being detrimental to a point

[pale prairie]

Like the specialists and crusher about to smoosh the inferno psyker

[thorn cedar]

there are a LOT of generous additions to DD that refresh your stack just for attacking a marked target or for attacking monsters, but there are no concessions made for earning stacks.

you HAVE to earn the kill

[ripe obsidian]

Fair. The 10s one might be better for someone looking at a guide

I will keep the 25 stack one marked blue and change it to the 10s one for the basic build

[marble crater]

Casually calling people out for their skill issues, I like it

[thorn cedar]

its really just a given

its also why DD keeps getting buffed

the generic player finds the keystone very intimidating

[ripe obsidian]

What about this?

[pale prairie]

25 stacks is totally doable for ranged focus builds. It’s harder in my opinion for melee builds because you have to decide often between blue target and the carapace you are kind of there to kill

[thorn cedar]

its why i pack laspee

isntant draw, ridiculous headshot bonus

you see blueman, you place crosshair on head, press q, shoot, done

[strong gulch]

I think perfectionism needs cruel fortune. Lingering influence doesn't need it imo.

[pale prairie]

That’s good but I’d leave the extra point floating for personal choice. That’s my opinion but yeah looks great

[pale prairie]

Potato

[strong gulch]

Oh I see.

[thorn cedar]

yea agree with krieg

[pale prairie]

You are so fucking smart

[strong gulch]

Just scroll down

[pale prairie]

All of you are

[strong gulch]

Hi

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/smart-brain-gif-24918687

[ripe obsidian]

I want this build to be 30/30 so people can just copy it and go. I could also remove the 10% ranged node and circle, like, BCoB, TtS, WG, and the ranged node. Pick one.

[pale prairie]

That is definitely a point in favor of laspistols is that fast draw time

[ripe obsidian]

Will try to remember to note that down

[thorn cedar]

even calling it 'fast' is a disservice

it's fucking instant

[marble crater]

Hi

[ripe obsidian]

I don't know how many builds I can even add to the meleeker section

What I do need help with is people writing weapon analyses

[strong gulch]

I just squealed so loudly. lmao

[thorn cedar]

if i was gonna do a generic "for noobs" gunker build it would be this

[ripe obsidian]

I don't like PC on melee builds, but I recognize the value

[thorn cedar]

yea

you could move that over to Assail recharge

but i still think assail recharge is a full on trap

and i would not want to direct new players into getting accustomed to overspamming shards unnecessarily

[ripe obsidian]

BCoB is also iffy for me, as it shreds peril so quickly, which is hell on assorted bonuses. But a new player could probably get good benefit

[pale prairie]

Yeah that sounds good. You go to the trouble of providing a tier list of talents and color guide with explanations. Let them use some critical thinking for at least 1 point

[strong gulch]

I am not a gunker main, but U don't have any major issues with this.

[wraith sphinx]

This is correct.

[thorn cedar]

i assume that U is meant to be an I

[strong gulch]

yes

[thorn cedar]

lmao

[ripe obsidian]

I will change Cruel Fortune to yellow and note it as being solely for Perfectionism.

[thorn cedar]

ok, i was perplexed

[wraith sphinx]

the consistency in your added damage output between LI and P + CF, accounting the point difference, is roughly the same

[strong gulch]

I got a C- in typing class.

[thorn cedar]

i ran my typing class back in elementary school

[strong gulch]

🫡

[thorn cedar]

benefits of growing up with a tech savvy dad

now my hands are rigidly gamer-fied

[strong gulch]

My Asian parent took me aside and asked me if I even tried.

[thorn cedar]

dishonour

[wraith sphinx]

I had a typing exam as a part of a computing class in elementary school

all the girls in class were insanely fast typers

[pale prairie]

Explains the spaghetti of my name on Starbucks cups

[wraith sphinx]

I was amongst the fastest guys but still pretty slow

[thorn cedar]

i used to crack 100wpm pretty easily

now i'd have to sweat

accuracy was the big thing

[proper spoke]

I used to reprogram the word processors in typing class to play simple games. Boredom is suffering

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/adhd-distracted-squirrel-gif-6080454

[ripe obsidian]

Maybe put this up as Intro to Melee/Gunker, then mine as one-size-fits-most?

[marble crater]

You would have hated this game then, ogryn did that the entire mission

[strong gulch]

Mine was about as un tech savvy as it gets, which makes it even funnier.

Like sir, you are the one who made me think only big corporations, schools, and libraries had computers and I didn't even know what the internet like 1 year prior to talk. The whole class looked at me like WTF (in his defense I am almost 40; or is that more damning??)

[ripe obsidian]

Also, I added a bunch of hyperlinks at the start to hopefully make the guide easier to navigate

3 robo taxis and a guy who doesn't take safety seriously

[wraith sphinx]

haha

zonkla

[exotic tulip]

Is there any way to keep your stamina down when quelling peril, was thinking about mortis trials, also any way to sprint at full speed while charging the staves?

[arctic turret]

what mod allows you to see stuff like that?

[strong gulch]

This feels like the core of gunker/ meleeker to me. There's still plenty of room to flavor it how you like. I know WU is not for every gunker build, but it does suit most.

[patent mango]

https://github.com/xsSplater/Darktide_Enhanced_Descriptions_BETA this beta mod

[ripe obsidian]

I don't fully understand what you mean by keeping stamina down

[patent mango]

when updated it'll be on github i believe

[ripe obsidian]

I think my template is pretty close to this?

[summer prairie]

very sad

[plucky flax]

55% ee seems gud

52.9%*

52.5% gaze