psyker-class

[thorn cedar]

ive got 3x block eff on my curios after all

[pale prairie]

Now if they made us choose between mind in motion and warp ghost

[kindred thicket]

Seems fair

[thorn cedar]

but shit it's like, REEEEALLY good

and as others word it, Warp Ghost also gives you +HP or +Toughness because you're trading out a stam curio you used to need

[frail oar]

KD is incredible. Throw the bullet deflection blessing on a force sword with block efficiency on curios. Neo mode unlocked.

[ripe obsidian]

Warp Ghost is a very, very strong talent. It seems like they might have been trying to make an inverse Empyric Resolve, but maybe didn't realize that losing passive quelling isn't a negative

[kindred thicket]

I use shield on arb so I agree with you

[pale prairie]

I would LIKE it I didn’t NEED it

[thorn cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/thirsty-spongebob-i-dont-need-it-sweat-gif-5031443

[pale prairie]

Yeah that’s me

[thorn cedar]

thats me too

[ripe obsidian]

I am those others

[pale prairie]

The days when I was still learning and needed stamina?

Pffffff

In the past

But it’s nice to have again

https://tenor.com/view/i-enjoyed-it-it-makes-me-feel-positive-confident-sexy-gif-15398880

[thorn cedar]

ill still candidly admit that block efficiency is a somewhat silly thing to be taking

but you cant stop me

however, sprint efficiency is fucking goated and i wont hear otherwise on that subject

[ripe obsidian]

Use what you want, so long as it's effective

[pale prairie]

It’s okay I have 3 revive speed on mine

[ripe obsidian]

I am a basic meta slave and use toughness, gunner resist, and CDR

[pale prairie]

Sprint efficiency????

[plucky flax]

Based

[kind jay]

3x revive is so amazing now with the buff

[pale prairie]

It’s in case I need to grab you off of a ledge

[kindred thicket]

Sometimes you gotta run away

[plucky flax]

Thank you my liege

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/shenmue-shenmue-i-got-you-bro-i-got-you-bro-goro-i-got-you-bro-got-you-bro-gif-26027537

[ripe obsidian]

Not run away. Tactically reposition away from the enemy.

[royal totem]

@pale prairie no wifi on flight today. Pain

[frail oar]

Revive speed is more likely to save a run than most other curio perks

[white sky]

I genuinely think you should have at least 2x in havocs

[pale prairie]

You’ll have to….touch grass I guess

Oh wait no grass in sky

[royal totem]

We're not retreating. Merely advancing in a different direction

[thorn cedar]

nah step off the plane you'll find grass eventually

[pale prairie]

I do that but having like 8 stamina and sliding has served well

[ripe obsidian]

I will also freely admit that Meleeker is the playstyle I use least, so my insights on it are not going to be as good as those on staves

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/killshotkitty-dark-humor-twitch-gif-27134706

[thorn cedar]

its not that quick actually

youll have plenty of time to consider your mistakes

[pale prairie]

“It just says when in doubt flaminate???”

Alright who here is using the shock maul on meleeker?

Just show of hands

Need to know how many based people are in the chat

[royal totem]

raises hand

With skullcrusher

[thorn cedar]

i dont think ive so much as glanced at the shockmaul since the month it came out

[white valley]

Shock maul with charged strike meme

[dusk timber]

shock maul

more like

Saul

https://tenor.com/view/saul-goodman-better-call-saul-saul-goodman3d-meme-breaking-bad-gif-24027228

[royal totem]

I have lolsy blessings on my arvites shock maul though

[ripe obsidian]

My ex cheated on me with a guy named Saul

So I am biased

Shock maul worst weapon

[white valley]

Shock maul's dps is just so mediocre on psyker

[royal totem]

My ex abused me 🙁

[white valley]

Great on Arbitrator though

[loud girder]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-ydfg-gif-13274217822475918167

[royal totem]

Anything but FGS ill use

[ripe obsidian]

Mine did too. Shit sucks

[royal totem]

🙁

[ripe obsidian]

This is accurate

[white valley]

Next time brain burst your exes

[thorn cedar]

i should really go back to therapy

[pale prairie]

That’s why I was surprised to see it in the meleeker weapon section @ripe obsidian

[ripe obsidian]

I just listed every weapon

[pale prairie]

Ah

[ripe obsidian]

No recommendations yet

[pale prairie]

That makes sense

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-money-love-money-money-friend-buy-happiness-gif-16676723572993433848

[thorn cedar]

the last time i went out with coworkers to drink and people aired their dirty laundry

or 'lore' as the kids say now

[royal totem]

Idk what therapy is

[ripe obsidian]

Well, she quit her job, moved out of my house, and signed a 3 year lease with someone she'd known for like 2 months. So she kinda brain burst herself

[thorn cedar]

i shared mine and it was awkward. i did not enjoy the responses even if it was empathetic. its a mental block i dont really know how to get around anymore.

[pale prairie]

Interesting placement of warp ghost in red

https://tenor.com/view/harkmid-hejsansvejsan-gif-21857838

[ripe obsidian]

I don't like Warp Ghost on melee+SG builds

[white valley]

Charged strike works with the electrocution blessings afaik

[thorn cedar]

crazy to me tbh

i squeeze it in and i squeeze in Mind in Motion

[pale prairie]

Super crazy

[thorn cedar]

so you KNOW im crazy

[white valley]

Sounds like a skill issue on her part

[thorn cedar]

so i am ceritified in calling you crazy

[pale prairie]

I have played with and without and I am telling you warp rider, warp splitting and one with the warp love warp ghost

[white valley]

Therapy is good, if you get a good psychologist

[ripe obsidian]

I can move WG to yellow. I just don't feel any of its bonuses are necessary on melee+SG

[pale prairie]

Yeah I know. And even still it’s kind of meh

[white valley]

Why do people like warp ghost

[thorn cedar]

bcuz ghosts are spoopy

[white valley]

I don't need stamina or toughness replenishment

[thorn cedar]

and its almost halloween

[pale prairie]

You don’t see the benefit of peril management when assail and Scriers are your only peril generation?

[white valley]

TRUE

Warp 👻

[ripe obsidian]

Not particularly

[pale prairie]

Hmmmmm

[thorn cedar]

omg so scary

[pale prairie]

This feels like when JaD made you blow up

[ripe obsidian]

I mean, @plucky flax doesn't even take WG on bubble knight

[plucky flax]

[ripe obsidian]

It is October. Maybe all builds should have the spooky ghost

[white valley]

JaD cannot make you blow up, only skill issue can

[pale prairie]

Yeah but he’s weird

This build guide isn’t for him

[ripe obsidian]

Hi, I am the skill issue, it's me

[royal totem]

Im the bigger skill issue

<---worst psyker here

[summer prairie]

bubble knight wants passive quelling

[royal totem]

Why does bubble knight want passive quelling?

[ripe obsidian]

It's almost definitely anecdotal, but JaD feels like it has some weird damage gating. Compared with OwtW, I end up at 0 toughness with no health damage so much more often

[thorn cedar]

the problem is ur not running mind in motion

[ripe obsidian]

To throw more assail

[thorn cedar]

yep MiM diff frfr

[royal totem]

I cant play bubble knight cuz i hate assail

[pale prairie]

No warp speed rating huh?

[white valley]

Is bubble knight competitive in havoc?

[wraith sphinx]

how come? For me it's a perfect fit

[strong gulch]

I have noticed a increase in people opting for taxe lately. It's still not the most picked, but there is an increase this patch.

Been kinda crickets on DS.

[pale prairie]

I dunno I just feel sad when I am at 90% peril and start shooting and watch my bonuses from warp rider, warpsplitting and one with the warp disappear after a few bullets (without warp ghost)

[static vessel]

What's electro staff good for

How should I be using it

[ripe obsidian]

You already have like 5 toughness gen nodes, so extra toughness is nice but not needed.
You don't need passive quelling, since SG is back up by the time it's finished.
The stamina is nice, but not worth a talent point on its own imo

[static vessel]

Its really funny how a lot of ppl refuse to use DS just because its strong lol

[ripe obsidian]

I have some builds and links to builds/videos in the guide. It is good for hitting single targets a lot.

[static vessel]

Me included

Oo

[ripe obsidian]

Use LMB like 70% of the time, and RMB for blowing up armor

[pale prairie]

More stamina means you can block AND move between enemies faster to hit them….with your melee

[wraith sphinx]

The passive quelling has me covered in situations where SG does not immediately come back up, which absolutely happens

[ripe obsidian]

Also look at the ADM section of the guide to see what RMB is better against compared with LMB

[thorn cedar]

We're assuming Warp Unleashed I take it

[wraith sphinx]

And having free +3 stamina is nothing to sneeze at

[strong gulch]

Specials and softer elites are EK's bread and butter. Mostly single target. Six's build guilde is in the pins.

There's a RMB build and a LMB build.

[pale prairie]

I have had times where SG is back up in 5 secs and other times where it’s like 10-12.

[plucky flax]

Yeah if you have another psyker with infinite cleave.

It's like a better melee than zealot.

With free bubble support.

[pale prairie]

Inferno you mean?

[plucky flax]

Trauma works too.

[ripe obsidian]

Fair. I will move WG to yellow on meleeker.

[wraith sphinx]

I appreciate you hearing me out on this.

[ripe obsidian]

Well, multiple people disagreed with me, so I am probably wrong

[plucky flax]

You are right and they are wrong.

They are not pro like u.

[ripe obsidian]

I am reluctant to move it to teal, but yellow seems fair

[plucky flax]

Don't listen to the haters.

[ripe obsidian]

I dropped from H36 to H33 last night.

[strong gulch]

sad

[plucky flax]

Should have asked karien to carry.

[pale prairie]

The peril of randomness

[pale prairie]

I don’t expect teal but it deserves yellow at least

[wraith sphinx]

tier it however you feel is right, I just appreciate you giving the talent its fair due

[zealous wing]

we did survive without it for a long time, but now that we have it, its very helpful, but not fully required, to be fair

[pale prairie]

It’s not about that it’s about maximizing your peril dependent buffs. Why wouldn’t you take it?

[wraith sphinx]

it's not a psyker panacea of a talent, but it has several strong use cases imo

[pale prairie]

Sure “don’t need it” but you can apply that logic to the whole fucking tree. Just do no talent auric runs

[ripe obsidian]

I'm trying to let the community influence and shape the guide. I don't want to be the sole arbiter of right and wrong.

[zealous wing]

i do think its a requirement in all of my builds, but i've also seen several people say its a wasted point, just like mind in motion is a wasted talent point, but some people will defend it with everything

[ripe obsidian]

I'm in the office now, but I'll change it when I get home

[strong gulch]

Also, it being gunker / meleeker mains saying WG is cool for SG.

[ripe obsidian]

90F/32C in October is stupid.

[wraith sphinx]

Wise

[pale prairie]

I can only speak from my experience and from playing with it vs without it. I noticed a drop in my average peril levels. Maybe it’s cause I hold onto SG for carapace rather than popping it on cooldown but I know if I am sitting at 50% peril or lower for any portion of the run I am losing out on bonuses I COULD have if I had warp ghost

[wraith sphinx]

my personal experience with warp ghost is that it feels a bit risky but fantastic on my FGS meleeker build, and not that great on non-inferno staff builds

I am constantly concerned that warp ghost + JAD will make me accidentally overload by force pushing enemies away at the wrong moment, but that hasn't happened yet thankfully

[strong gulch]

As a staff main. WG feels good.

[pale prairie]

Same. But also just don’t get hit and JaD won’t increase peril /s

[strong gulch]

Just don't take JaD.

[pale prairie]

I honestly haven’t blown up from JaD yet. In fact it has saved me a few times from it by dropping me to 97 from 100

[wraith sphinx]

I'm a qp main, someone is always getting hit

[strong gulch]

Not getting hit working when it works.

[pale prairie]

Yeah maelstrom with randos can be so adrenaline

[wraith sphinx]

I'm just a tad dissapointment in the skill discrepancy between auric and havocs

[pale prairie]

For sure there’s a big chasm

[pale prairie]

We need the burster event again cause so many people just don’t get how to push

[wraith sphinx]

aurics have a fair lot of highly skilled darktide no lifers like myself who generally make maelstroms a pleasant time when I'm matched with them. Meanwhile the noobs flock in great numbers to havoc just to claw their way up to rank 21 and get permanently stuck there

[ripe obsidian]

It has killed me and lost H40 runs 2x so far.

[strong gulch]

My clutch last night ended because I tried to push a burster that exploded in my face because a sniper shot it.

[ripe obsidian]

Somehow only 44% humidity here today. Much lower than usual.

[marble crater]

Noob

[royal totem]

@plucky flax i dont suppose youd recommend bubble knight without assail

[quartz barn]

tbh run was already doomed if the team cant 3 man

[pale prairie]

Yeah it was the vet with a bolter rifle that hurt me lots. He at least apologized in VC

[bright summit]

@ripe obsidian unrelated but I think for Scriers ek you should mention that assail is a great pick over KF now as you get PA post patch and it gives your more horde clear since you can just spam it between shots during WU, I've been exclusively running assail(sometimes even with the cleave mode with scriers ek, both m1 and m2 setups)

[royal totem]

Eek

[plucky flax]

What do you want to play? You can go bb kf I guess.

But you also said you don't like fgs.

[ripe obsidian]

I was the last person alive and trying to clutch in one. In the other, it was 2 people still alive, then 1 when I dropped.

[royal totem]

Bb kf

[wraith sphinx]

average auric matchup - at least 1 ASS/Poxbreaker/True Survivor/Havoc-Forged with good gamesense and drip just enjoying the game, like myself
average havoc 21 matchup - 3 Harkens with a very low true level, dedicated adept, stimm profile frame, no paid cosmetics ever

[plucky flax]

So don't even touch bubble knight.

[quartz barn]

oof tragic

[royal totem]

Ah k

[ripe obsidian]

I can mention that, thank you. Lemme make a note

[plucky flax]

Bubble knight but without big sword is not right.

[pale prairie]

We flaming based on cosmetics now?

[bright summit]

Ill make a video covering that build this weekend prob and I'll lyk then

Lots to talk about regarding Scriers ek and dds

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah. I keep swapping between OwtW and JaD. Immaterial Focus is currently locked in, though I am mildly debating OwtW+JaD. I find that I take less damage with JaD, but the random peril spikes can be problematic.

[royal totem]

my psyker is still in prison garb

[ripe obsidian]

I honestly know very little about EK+SG, so I am happy to defer to you.

[quartz barn]

simply use it more so you get used to the peril spikes

[bright summit]

Been playing lots of ek all I could say is with current havoc unfortunately shriekspam still just dominates the ek havoc scene

[marble crater]

As it should

Shriek is fun

[plucky flax]

You can play rending trauma with creeping flames too.

[strong gulch]

Shriek strong

[pale prairie]

Yay more soulblaze…..

[marble crater]

Shriek gives funny kill feed

[bright summit]

Bweh it's less fun and skillful compare to Scriers ek by a ton for me but I'm not gimping my friends to run scriers into rotten armor any more as it is

[royal totem]

I want to play telekine shield without any subnodes so ppl will think it stops specialists...

[pale prairie]

Mmmmm how about rotten armor with stims!

Now we are having fun

[bright summit]

The crash modifier

[pale prairie]

Ah potato 2

[ripe obsidian]

That has been my approach so far. I also love how JaD synergizes with Immaterial Focus. When I take damage and end up in trouble, it gives me stun immunity so I can scamper. 10/10 interaction

[royal totem]

Frees up 2 points for me!

[ripe obsidian]

Shriek does require less skill to execute, I agree. As for fun, that's relative. Shriek is loads of fun for me. But I am also a dirty meta follower with my Inferno stick

Though for Rotten Armor I might need to swap to Trauma so I can actually kill the crusher walls when my team dies.

[pale prairie]

If you follow the Meta why do you have wildfire?

https://tenor.com/view/anya-forger-spy-x-family-yor-briar-loid-forger-anime-gif-25681595

[bright summit]

Not saying it's not fun but Scriers has some insane skill expression with the freedom from wu

[ripe obsidian]

I was so salty last night. I was about to clutch the game when a mutant grabbed me through a wall, tossed me into a corner, and a BoN ate me. Which was fine, because Soulblaze was still going wild and killing everything.

Then a fucking burster jumped on me while I was IN THE BEAST OF NURGLE and ended the run.

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/water-spray-stop-sprinkle-water-gif-11895255

[ripe obsidian]

I set the meta now. >:(

[pale prairie]

Is the skill expression stopping slamming LMB/RMB before the timer ends?

[pale prairie]

No

We will rise up

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-holy-grail-king-didnt-vote-gif-8051023

[bright summit]

Yeah exactly it's from holding down m1 it needs a lot of skill

[pale prairie]

Counting can be hard

[marble crater]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/ytQsZVLZ74

[pale prairie]

Wait holding down M1

That sounds like

Mods

[ripe obsidian]

There's only one number worth counting to.

[marble crater]

5

[strong gulch]

31?

[pale prairie]

7

7ius

[kind jay]

i love shriekspam i also love spamming uncharged warp slice at hordes cause i im a brainlet

[plucky flax]

Yay another day another wildfire thread.

[royal totem]

Ahhhh i was about to share that post

Damn

[marble crater]

Too late

[plucky flax]

Damn I knew it would happen.

[ripe obsidian]

WHY IS THIS STILL A DEBATE FUCK

[plucky flax]

Wildfire only spreads 1 stack of fire btw.

Pls delete the shit talent.

[marble crater]

Because

[plucky flax]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1422637305008750843/image.png?ex=68e7f1bc&is=68e6a03c&hm=de073dede1fff9b8b0558e04f582a5b898b09fd44ce964a614e6e7241792bb91&

I've literally never seen an enemy with 4 stacks of soulblaze because of wildfire.

[radiant frigate]

wtf based manager

[marble crater]

Just today I got a kill on a sneaky hound because of wildfire and KF

[graceful arch]

Most cursed game ever

[royal totem]

Genuinely if an enemy with 4 stacks dies how does it spread? I know its good but insufficient knowledge for why

[plucky flax]

[quartz barn]

wait can we pin this

[radiant frigate]

lol, lmao

[wraith sphinx]

based?

[quartz barn]

and then every time someone comes here with a wildfire question just link it lmao

[plucky flax]

I can confirm wildfire is a never pick.

[ripe obsidian]

Wait, I know that name. @white valley

[ripe obsidian]

I think I have a comment on Wildfire in the "What about?" section of the guide

[marble crater]

A comment you will get flamed for or not?

[ripe obsidian]

Maybe

I dunno

[strong gulch]

The maximum amount of valid targets is 4: If 4 stacks are to be spread and 4 targets are in range, each target receives 1 stack; if 4 stacks are to be spread and 3 targets are in range, 1 target receives 2 stacks while the other 2 targets receive 1 stack each, etc.

[ripe obsidian]

But hopefully it's something people can copy+paste to answer questions

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, it's a for loop, I believe. It's actually tied directly into the Soulblaze code rather than somewhere else. It's just "for enemies in range" and cycles through applying 1 stack each until it runs out of stacks, restarting the cycle if necessary

[marble crater]

I think as psykers we need to have three different civil wars. One for wildfire, one for fgs mark and one for warp ghost

[royal totem]

Thanks. Got it!

[plucky flax]

It's 1 stack ONLY so it's literally useless. Delete the talent and move on.

[marble crater]

Oh, four. One for ER

[thorn cedar]

Me fighting the wind in a corner all alone: Mind in Motion! RAAH

[ripe obsidian]

Empyric Shock and PotS are the hills I die on

[marble crater]

Those are just bad

[quartz barn]

ye only real reasons to even have wildfire is soulblaze ownership ig and the random sniper kills

[plucky flax]

Only really pro players can use mk6 fgs.

[pale prairie]

Oh no the guy who hates ER is in the comments now

[strong gulch]

ER war is jover then.

[marble crater]

True, I use mk8

[royal totem]

Was there an ER war?

[pale prairie]

It shows

[ripe obsidian]

I believe Wildfire applies before PC on elite kills, which is worth mentioning.

[pale prairie]

Still is

[strong gulch]

PotS is Six's new and worse quietude.

[strong gulch]

ye

[ripe obsidian]

I made Quietude blue for the melee template. I was gonna pick yellow, but I got bullied

[royal totem]

Whym 😮

[ripe obsidian]

I hate PotS so much

[marble crater]

PotS is short for Piece of the Shit
Few people know that

[white valley]

Was I wrong?

[ripe obsidian]

No

[radiant frigate]

the anti-ER faction has my undying support

[pale prairie]

But why?

[radiant frigate]

it's a casterslop talent

[marble crater]

Elf shenanigans

[pale prairie]

KAT…….your takes are getting worse

Don’t need to freeclad we have clad at home

[strong gulch]

Because of the reduced toughness gen, people would go on and on about how bad ER was (even though we could generate good toughness with it).

There were other arguments, that was a big one.

[white valley]

That thread pained me, so many people are so adamantly convinced that Wildfire bad

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/elf-nonsense-elf-frieren-frieren-beyond-journey's-end-sousou-no-frieren-gif-2308403050531304831

[royal totem]

Huh....

[wraith sphinx]

I like ER on most staves with scriers gaze :]

[pale prairie]

Reading that was fucking painful

[strong gulch]

Same. Such a trap.

[white valley]

I mean it's as simple as playing with and without it, Wildfire's effect is noticeable and even measurable via scoreboard

[pale prairie]

I stopped responding to Darktide Reddit after encountering a “super pro with lots of havoc solos (but no links) that said KD was a noob talent”

[ripe obsidian]

The reduced toughness gen is hardly an issue, imo. Especially since the update. Now it's just a matter of finding the level of peril gen that is comfortable for your playstyle. ER is fine. Not necessary, but not bad.

[radiant frigate]

i liked to describe it as "actively detrimental" (to some playstyles)

[pale prairie]

But one comment said scoreboard shows it’s bad!

[ripe obsidian]

I wonder which YouTuber is spouting that nonsense

[long saddle]

it's a shame that KD is harder to slot now

[marble crater]

I think it's UnsanctionedPsyker

[pale prairie]

Yeah the getting hit playstyle

[plucky flax]

I can confirm.

[ripe obsidian]

I have seen a ton of ES+PotS Inferno builds in H40 lobbies lately. It hurts me.

[pale prairie]

Only if you aren’t going DD haha

[thorn cedar]

I'm just happy I can skip by both those shit ass nodes now if I wanna

[white valley]

Tanner probably

[strong gulch]

Yeah. Especially now. If anyone complains about the ding to toughness gen, then they are just complaining and/or wildly misinformed.

[long saddle]

yeah, you were used to wasting nodes in old tree but now you don't want to as much

[ripe obsidian]

Is true. For any non-SG/DD build, KD isn't worth it. 2 points is a big ask.

[strong gulch]

inferno shriek (even in havocs) 😭

[marble crater]

KD has saved my ass from 6 DHs this past week, I keep aggroing them for some reason, even after the patch

[pale prairie]

In reality it’s only 1 [soulblaze stack]. It’s really hard to get 2+ before it dies on anything meaningful. Scoreboard you’ll see it’s [Wildfire] not a appreciable amount of damage at all. The increase to all warp damage from Empyric Shock with primary staff attacks stacking up to 30% is way better and on bosses can increase kill time 5-7 seconds with purgatis staff burn from 45 seconds to 35-38. If you poke the boss with melee and puff it’s even more damage.

[ripe obsidian]

KD is unmatched for dealing with angery daemons, yes

[radiant frigate]

ER inferno is so incomprehensible to me

[strong gulch]

That's what you get for peaking. Psychic damage.

KD DS is funny

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/am-i-have-no-mouth-and-i-must-scream-am-ihnmaims-am-hate-hate-speech-gif-1392574611171398983

[plucky flax]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1422637305008750843/image.png?ex=68e7f1bc&is=68e6a03c&hm=de073dede1fff9b8b0558e04f582a5b898b09fd44ce964a614e6e7241792bb91&

[white valley]

Guys but what about POTS with Penetrating Flames for big crusher hunting

[marsh badger]

ES w/ inferno is nice and makes me feel like im doing something when I LMB instead of just holding ragers back

[pale prairie]

Yeah because inferno doesn’t need it. Trauma and ek however

I also used to use it on voidstrike

[strong gulch]

Be sure to also get EP charged strikes and staff bonk em too

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-theres-another-one-barton-theres-one-more-you-missed-one-forgot-about-this-gif-22512099

[plucky flax]

What happened to your blaze away and active soulblaze? They'd still do damage with left click.

[strong gulch]

Layer you DoTs people

[ripe obsidian]

Inferno is, in fact, the best tool for killing crushers. You just have to make your entire build revolve around it. And then you'll be able to kill them in a mere 30 seconds each!

[radiant frigate]

on trauma i would be overcapping peril either way and quell after so i do not see the benefit
on EK i thought the entire point is that it cycles peril fast and this just slows it down

on inferno it's pointless since that does not generate peril to begin with, and voidstrike is pretty light on the peril gen too

[white valley]

Look it's just a way to contribute while still dealing with everything else

[pale prairie]

Let’s you cast more things before quelling. Same with Trauma

[radiant frigate]

more casting uptime
like i said
casterslop

[white valley]

I will defend penetrating flames unironically, dps is similar between it and warp nexus

[pale prairie]

Voidstrike is relatively light on peril generation but it TAKES SO MANY GRAPES TO KILL SOMETHING THAT PERIL GENERATION BEING LOW IS GOOD

[white valley]

Plus helps team damage

[radiant frigate]

blessing only relevant on one enemy type

nexus good always

[pale prairie]

Like all the DR nodes are meleeslop?

[radiant frigate]

(and even on that one enemy type it just makes it go from Garbage to Less Garbage)

[plucky flax]

I only played with penetrating flames twice but I found my ttk on enemies way slower than nexus.

[radiant frigate]

yup exactly

[plucky flax]

Maybe the ramp up is just a bit slow without double stacks critting as often.

[radiant frigate]

it all depends on the flavor of slop you like

[white valley]

Nah, brittle still increases team dps and personal dps a bit on everything that isn't infested or unarmoured

[pale prairie]

You just like saying slop

[white valley]

Before or after the update?

[ripe obsidian]

DPS isn't the only thing I'm thinking of with Nexus. EE and Mettle are the other big ones. Perfect Timing stays up with basically no effort, so that's whatever.

As for Penetrating Flames, I can see the benefit to some extent in Rotten Armor. But with the massive ranged damage debuff to rotten enemies, people should be meleeing them anyway, and most meta melee weapons crunch carapace. Penetrating Flames does benefit your team, but it does very little for the Psyker using it. 8% damage boost at most on non-Crusher, non-unarmored, non-infested enemies.

[plucky flax]

Hrmm it was before.

Did it get changed recently?

[white valley]

No but yes

Psyker has more inherent crit now

[plucky flax]

It was before the latest tree rework.

[radiant frigate]

č̸͗̕͝ȯ̵͋̅̀n̶̑̅͆́ṡ̷͉̺̑u̵̐͆̊̍m̷̛͛̿͘e thẻ̴̈́̌̕ ̸͛̑̓̃s̵̐̃͑̒l̷̛͒͂̀o̶̓p

[white valley]

Via souldrinker and the free 5% crit node in the talent tree

[plucky flax]

Also I die more without ee.

[white valley]

So now even without nexus you can comfortably have 22.5% crit chance

[plucky flax]

So to me it's too great of a loss.

[white valley]

Ah fair I don't use EE at all

[ripe obsidian]

As for the crit damage itself, as well as the double soulblaze stacks, I don't have enough information to say how that competes with Penetrating Flames

[plucky flax]

Havoc without ee? Heavy risk

[white valley]

Nah I play bubble with JaD and OwtW

[radiant frigate]

ờ̸̒͌r̶̛̄̎̂ ̵͋̾͛̐b̵̅͛̔̾e̵̤͑̈̎ ̶͋́̎͝cons̆̇ũ̵̄́̈́m̸̊̀̃͐ȇ̶͋͌̅d̷̥̂̐̚ by̍̈́̀͠ ̵͌͐̈́tḩê̴̒̽͆ ̶̒̂́̊s̵lȯ͠ṗ̷̾͘͝

[white valley]

Survivability is fantastic as far as I'm concerned

[plucky flax]

Fair.

[pale prairie]

Stop talking about Austrian food!

[plucky flax]

Bavarian food.

[royal totem]

I die on psyker all the time

[marble crater]

Tadpoled

[royal totem]

Krieger has seen me blow up

[white valley]

Ski-

[wraith sphinx]

waaa 😭

[marble crater]

1003 is new

[wraith sphinx]

I am an explorer

the frontier of darktide's errors is mine to ply

[white valley]

Had a wonderful havoc match yesterday where I only took 30-ish damage

[wraith sphinx]

gj!

[white valley]

JaD my goat

[royal totem]

I once blew up cuz fatshark didnt switch me to melee

So i accidentally did a staff left click attack

Fml

[white valley]

Oh yeah lag with psyker is CURSED

[royal totem]

Fatshark servers cursed

[wild basin]

Guarantee weapon swap, my beloved

[royal totem]

Good news everybody. My flight didnt get canceled this round

[wild basin]

Btw i was flaming this channel on Reddit today so just like the last time i feel obliged to come here and say that everything Kat said here today is 100% true

[royal totem]

with the emperor's blessings i can troll auric tonight

[white valley]

Oh it's the person who is wrong

[wild basin]

Xddd

Yes it's you

[white valley]

So true my friend

Keep playing without Wildfire

[wild basin]

I mean i did play with and without it, this is called testing and drawing conclusions

[plucky flax]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1422637305008750843/image.png?ex=68e7f1bc&is=68e6a03c&hm=de073dede1fff9b8b0558e04f582a5b898b09fd44ce964a614e6e7241792bb91&

[marble crater]

Saying that when we still had Unlucky for Some

[strong gulch]

RIP

[royal totem]

Needs unlucky for some back

[pale prairie]

Don’t forget the weapon swap talent…..increasing with peril!

[white valley]

My favourite youtuber Tanner told me Kinetic Flayer is bad because it's only 200 dps

Should I unslot it?

[royal totem]

Is tanner bad at the game?

[white valley]

No, not bad at all, mechanically super competent, but not all of his takes are good

[marble crater]

So useless people don't even know the name

[plucky flax]

Is it actually a recent take?

[pale prairie]

200 DPS ? How did he come up with that number? Shake an 8 ball?

[white valley]

Nah I don't watch anything of his anymore

[pale prairie]

Perilous assault

[marble crater]

Take KF damage, divide by 12 seconds

[plucky flax]

Fair.

KF is pretty gud now.

[pale prairie]

PC

[white valley]

KF is hella good now

[plucky flax]

It was only bad when it procced on a random chaff.

[white valley]

Aye

[marble crater]

That was a trap, only people who used it would know the name

[royal totem]

Im gonna play vet tonight

[white valley]

Was good once they made it not proc on chaff, but is even better now

[royal totem]

And throw krak at everything

[pale prairie]

Had to take it to get to that sweet sweet Quell cancel EK talent

[marble crater]

[white valley]

You mean kark?

Tox Bomber more like Kark Bomber

[royal totem]

Oh is that how its spelled?

"Sticky Surprise"

[white valley]

No I'm joking because the characters use Kark as a replacement for swear words

[hollow current]

best player DT has ever and will ever have

[zealous wing]

i love the quiet "eugh that sounds bad..." after

[royal totem]

I take every grenade talent

[ripe obsidian]

I think there are pretty few bad talents in the game at this point. Most have been excised

[royal totem]

Who wants to play with me?

[zealous wing]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[plucky flax]

It's krak not kark.

[zealous wing]

welllll

[steel flame]

Imagine, being so archaic that you can only define value by dps

[zealous wing]

does this mean you are home?

[royal totem]

Not yet. 2 hrs to flight

[marble crater]

Couldn't be me

[steel flame]

Nah nah, it's the " get off my karkin lawn" grenade

[zealous wing]

no guarentees on if ill be up by the time you get home then

if i am, yes, if not, yes but no

[thorn cedar]

carry on good sir

u fight a righteous cause

[marble crater]

Hexis doesn't want to carry

[thorn cedar]

my headcannon is that fatshark pitched deleting Mind in Motion but Sequens, who has seen me play, said if they did that I would sewer slide myself. My evidence is the fever dreams I produce while staring at blank walls.

[white valley]

psyker irl

[royal totem]

See, i feel like i need to get better at vet and zealot

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/mtv-everyone-revolves-around-me-the-challenge-gif-11694149

[white valley]

https://tenor.com/view/akira-leave-me-alone-leave-me-alone-meme-gif-6420351794930725971

Psykers listening to the voices

[pale prairie]

Hey look it’s you

[steel flame]

Now if mind in motion also got rid of charging movement speed debuff......then we would be cooking

[plucky flax]

is ur mum

Mind in motion increases movespeed scaling with peril.

[white valley]

the voices told me to dodge

[plucky flax]

Up to 20% movespeed.

[thorn cedar]

imagine if it got rid of movement penalty when channeling smite

[white valley]

NO

[thorn cedar]

like i want it but holy fuck a nightmare of smykers upon us

[steel flame]

TIME TO ZOOOOOOM

[long saddle]

sprint and assail

[white valley]

Atoma has enough Smykers as is

[thorn cedar]

it would be hysterical

[pale prairie]

Warp speed?

[plucky flax]

Stack additively with warp speed.

[steel flame]

Sciers smite fucking racecar

[thorn cedar]

that would be dope

[plucky flax]

Speed god.

[white valley]

Smykers should not be allowed to move during smite

[thorn cedar]

drive by thor

[white valley]

They should also take 100% increased damage

[zinc phoenix]

i have hit my tolerance limit for party finder gaming

[thorn cedar]

if you hit 100% you should die honestly

its so silly to me you cant even fucken perils yourself with it

[white valley]

If you hit 100% you should smite yourself and the team for 10s

[thorn cedar]

insanely generous

[zinc phoenix]

its just tedious regrinding thru the 20s because i joined a low level party to play havoc at all

[steel flame]

God I wish I could use smite in suicide build but the fucking baby ass peril training wheels are the worst

[long saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/death-palpatine-gif-13920755

let ogryn do this

[steel flame]

Yeah, party finder is the worst aspect of havoc by far

Let me QuickPay havoc

[white valley]

quickplay havoc would be worse than being dragged through the garden of nurgle

[quasi atlas]

not if you're good enough

[plucky flax]

Quickplay havoc

Blue curious gang.

[white valley]

I've seen players who supposedly have havoc experience make really weird choices

so many players make weird perk choices for their weapons

Like putting the same perks on both weapons

[royal totem]

I do that though

[ripe obsidian]

Well, you obviously want +crit damage on both weapons

[long saddle]

if you don't want to think you just put flak and maniac on everything

[white valley]

Broadly speaking, you should not do that

[royal totem]

Too bad

[pale prairie]

A tool for every situation

[white valley]

and weakspot ofc

[royal totem]

Im lazy so crit carapace on everything

[ripe obsidian]

My general setup is maniac/carapace+stamina on my melee and flak/unyielding on Inferno

Though I might remove stamina since I am not using KD anymore

[white valley]

I have maniac and carapace on melee, and flak+crit chance on staff

[ripe obsidian]

Just make it maniac+carapace

[royal totem]

Im lazyyyyy

[ripe obsidian]

But that +2 stamina gives me like 8 bars. It's fantastic

It is super satisfying to poke a special who got too close

[white valley]

You know what's worse than being lazy to change perks? Taking more time and hits to kill enemies

Having useful and sensical perks saves you time

[royal totem]

Nahhhh crit and carapace makes sense!

[white valley]

It doesn't

Are you killing crushers with BOTH weapons?

[royal totem]

Yes

[white valley]

And what weapons might those be?

[ripe obsidian]

Killing crushers? Sounds like a problem for my team.

[white valley]

You're not wrong

[royal totem]

Shock maul and autogun 😏

[white valley]

Autoguns are useless against crushers and carapace

[royal totem]

Im gonna disclaimer this with...

Im trolling

[white valley]

Oh

I'm too acoustic for this

[royal totem]

I run knife with crit and carapace i think and EK with flak maniac

At least thats what i think it is

Cant check atm

[kind jay]

im going in

[royal totem]

Yessss

[ripe obsidian]

Tbh I wish I had teammates who were better about focusing crushers. They're about the only threat to me, other than bombers or snipers standing 8 miles away

[royal totem]

Six likes getting hugs from crushers.

[ripe obsidian]

I had a Smyker in one of my H40s last night. Normally I would have been annoyed, but without them I would've just been overrun by crushers every time my other 2 teammates dropped. Which was fairly often.

[royal totem]

Got it

[zinc phoenix]

man blaze trauma in auric maels is hilarious these days

zoom dodge around shrieking non stop while being invincible

[ripe obsidian]

Exactly. You understand me

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-im-invincible-black-knight-just-a-flesh-wound-your-arms-off-gif-11996860

[royal totem]

Crushers just want to protect the lil ones

[wraith sphinx]

I have seen a competent smyker in havoc here and there myself

I had one in the h21 mission I managed to beat with my bb gunker build

[ripe obsidian]

They were not using any Soulblaze, so I was not offended by the presence of a second Psyker. And they did clutch at least once when I got smacked by a Crusher as a mutant threw me.

I've found that I can't dodge mutants as well as I can dogs or trappers. Dogs, I just spam push when I hear the audio cue. Trappers, I blindly dodge-slide sideways

But mutants? My brain shorts out and I dodge backwards. =|

[wraith sphinx]

my dodge sense overloads when they get paired with snipers

[royal totem]

I hug every mutant

[wraith sphinx]

I panic whe nI see the sniper laser

I should think about buying a new keyboard, this one's keys are getting loose

[royal totem]

Dont be like me with keyboards lmao

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, mine as well. Having lots of double-press issues. Just can't be assed to spend the money

[royal totem]

I....spent too much on a keyboard recently

[zealous wing]

but does it SOUND good

[marble crater]

Spending a lot of money on a nice sounding keyboard only to wear headphones anyway

[zealous wing]

maybe they do a lot of writing

you never know

[plucky flax]

Use speakers.

Also I don't like clicky keyboards.

Too loud mane

[zealous wing]

or good non-noise cancelling earbuds

[marble crater]

Use headphones

[plucky flax]

It hurts my small ears.

[royal totem]

Yes

For reasons i wont explain i do write a lot

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/you-know-im-standing-right-here-chris-medlin-isaac-downey-sweet-magnolias-im-right-here-gif-17609488

[plucky flax]

RPer confirmed.

[marble crater]

Maybe writing smut, like Karien

[plucky flax]

I wonder how good Karien's writing skill is.

[pale prairie]

Better than being smut like agent amiright?

[plucky flax]

I am okay writer since I listen to audiobook.

[royal totem]

Is Karien actually a smut writer? 😮

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/adventure-time-now-kiss-finn-gif-5658105

[plucky flax]

Who isn't a smut writer?

Have you not read sut's german smut?

[pale prairie]

I am a good painter cause I sometimes see murals while driving

[pale prairie]

It’s in fucking German

[royal totem]

Im a good photographer cuz i sometimes see photos online

[plucky flax]

Tru and real

[weary crane]

this is NOT a nice sight

[marble crater]

You should switch to your staff

[pale prairie]

They are just wanting to welcome you to the neighborhood

[strong gulch]

let's not call it fucking German.

[pale prairie]

But it is

It’s in German about fucking so it is = fucking German

[marble crater]

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-something-of-an-author-myself-author-writer-something-of-a-something-of-a-scientist-myself-gif-14977873525891971446

[marble crater]

I don't write smut

[royal totem]

So now we can all search for Karien written smut

[pale prairie]

Sut is like one letter away from smut

[marble crater]

Is all lesbomancy smut though

[pale prairie]

Lesbomancy

Sounds like a school of magic

[marble crater]

It is, I am using it in my BG3 playthrough with Shadowheart

Next one with Minthara, I am a man of culture after all

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/lucius-lucius-malfoy-harry-potter-clearly-obviously-gif-12885101914545763126

[ripe obsidian]

You're welcome to kill crushers while I fail to climb to 40

[pale prairie]

Oh man my happy place

Stop I might even want to take souldrinker

[ripe obsidian]

It's quite easy, you should try. And if you pick a niche kink, the audience is so starved for new content that they'll praise anything you give them.

[marble crater]

I also don't want to write smut

[plucky flax]

You should collab with karien.

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/rocky-iv-rocky4-ivan-drago-rocky-rocky-balboa-gif-24670486

[marble crater]

I will join your games with EP smite

[ripe obsidian]

Your loss.

[strong gulch]

Our loss.

[ripe obsidian]

I'm only 33 now. Will be a rough journey with randoms.

[marble crater]

You still have a few good years in you

[real granite]

My beloved said we didnt change much build wise from the new stuff we got. Is this true?

[marble crater]

Depends on your definition of much I guess, overall they are the same, just with a few more talents that are easier to get now

[pale prairie]

Builds have been pretty much consolidated with the tree being reorganized in a much better way with the addition of several DR talents. There’s a HUGE compendium of builds that are ever evolving up in the pins

[real granite]

oooh..

[ripe obsidian]

That is only one year off from my actual age.

[real granite]

you mean the psyker build bonaza?

[ripe obsidian]

Yes

[marble crater]

Same

[pale prairie]

Same

[ripe obsidian]

That is my build compilation. I am adding to it regularly.

Ask questions if you have them

[strong gulch]

Not same

[pale prairie]

Be aware he hates Empyric Shock

[ripe obsidian]

I do honestly appreciate that most of the community, at least here, is not very young.

[strong gulch]

no u

[marble crater]

Maybe that's a 40k thing

[pale prairie]

It’s an old game that isn’t Fortnite or apex legends

[ripe obsidian]

And Penetration of the Soul

These are my sources of ire

[pale prairie]

Riiiiiight I always forget that one

[royal totem]

Im 18

inserts troll face

[wraith sphinx]

40k is ancient, and I think a lot of us have been warhammer fans by the way of its digital media

I've been a 40k fan pretty much only because of dawn of war

[royal totem]

Im not a 40k fan

[zealous wing]

me either

but i could be

[wraith sphinx]

it can be a daunting setting to get into

[zealous wing]

i have a new guilty pleasure

[wraith sphinx]

the setting's lore is absolutely sprawling, and while not the most original setting, there's plenty of intersting stuff

[zealous wing]

i got so bored today, i decided fuck it. i now have dog handler

[ripe obsidian]

A mere child, a sapling in the presence of ancient oaks.

[zealous wing]

the shotpistol is actually so fun to use

[cosmic cobalt]

it basically a worse mkvii with a shield

[plucky flax]

I'm 12 and what is this?

[cosmic cobalt]

ok unc

[ripe obsidian]

I am a casual 40k fan. I think the lore is funny and the artwork is often very cool. The novels are... something, and the general plot is whatever

[plucky flax]

Bald people = bad the plot

[ripe obsidian]

This is an M rated game! Lawbreaker!

[royal totem]

I only play Darktide cuz my driend (that i cant play with) plays it

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/old-man-yells-at-cloud-yelling-old-man-news-the-simpsons-gif-17741451

[royal totem]

You mean lexbreaker

[zealous wing]

i dont care about better or worse, i just want to have fun weaponry

[cosmic cobalt]

fair

[strong gulch]

This is my cat.

[wraith sphinx]

There's certainly a lot of stuff in a sort of a limbo since geedubs is trying hard to reimagine 40k while still stringing up along the tabletop/pen and paper fantasy of having "your dudes"

[zealous wing]

besides, i was still able to kill two plogryns on malice while leveling up (still in the process of), with said shotpistol, so, worst case scenario, if i take it to auric, i'll be slower to kill it, but that doesnt matter tons long as i can be of utility somewhere

[wraith sphinx]

like most others I just cherrypick what I enjoy and ignore the rest

[royal totem]

You got arb?????

[wraith sphinx]

in my case that's the imperial guard which is coincidentally also one of the reasons I was so interested in darktide

[cosmic cobalt]

it just kind of being fucked in the first place by the mkvii have shitton of bosses damage and same reload time

[royal totem]

I figured you never would xD

[zealous wing]

in auric people tend to be either pure crowd control, or pure boss damage, or whatthefuckamidoinginauricidontknowhowtoplaythegame, so if im a mix of all three i'll be ok

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/dedra-disgust-star-wars-andor-dedra-meero-disgust-you-disgust-me-gif-6763075034800474369

[zealous wing]

i was gonna wait for a sale but i was just SO unbelievably bored

[wraith sphinx]

krieger girlboss arc

[cosmic cobalt]

yeah no people just run generalist loadout in qp

[zealous wing]

the dog brings me joy

[royal totem]

In auric im a "im going at my pace so feel free to get yourself killed ahead of me"

[royal totem]

Fair

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-kyra-green-nothing-new-to-it-its-always-been-like-that-no-changes-gif-22111327

[zealous wing]

da puppers

[royal totem]

Dogbleed talent

[pale prairie]

Too much weak flesh

Need more moebian steel

[ripe obsidian]

I do love that the whole Horus Heresy started because GW wanted to have two factions in a single box of spess mureens. So they just said, "there's a civil war, now they fight each other"

[candid temple]

what's the easiest to do this with, assail or shmyte?

[royal totem]

That sounds....dumb

[ripe obsidian]

Blood for the Bleed Dog

[pale prairie]

Yeah welcome to 40k lore

[wraith sphinx]

I find civil wars pretty interesting from a narrative perspective

[pale prairie]

Surprise surprise it’s a mess and everything is canon till it isn’t

[royal totem]

Wait...bleed is good. blink blink

[royal totem]

I just want a pig costume

[ripe obsidian]

That version of bleed existed for 2 days

[cosmic cobalt]

I miss broken ass dog bleed

at least give us the bleed aoe back since dog bleed is heavily nerfed

[ripe obsidian]

The dog applied bleed to enemies at 4 different points during the pounce.

[strong gulch]

Choose smite and EP but kill stuff with EK RMB. It counts towards the penance and the EP stack isn't consumed.

(it's worked this forever; if it doesn't then it was changed during the recent update)

[ripe obsidian]

Bleed in AoE on pounce start, bleed to all enemies in the line of the pounce, bleed to enemy pinned, bleed in AoE on pounce landing

Often hitting enemies more than once

[royal totem]

I demand vet and zealot nerfs till bleed gets buffed again

[ripe obsidian]

For instant max bleed stacks

[candid temple]

, thanks.

[zealous wing]

tbh 6 stacks of bleed merely from a pounce is pretty good

[ripe obsidian]

I have seen very few doggo Arby players lately

Most are shock mine bots

[zealous wing]

i saw like 4 or 5 in the same lobby as me earlier

[cosmic cobalt]

yeah tanner tier list

[zealous wing]

an arby without the dog is just sad

[cosmic cobalt]

not a good one but certainly popular

[ripe obsidian]

Did someone say bad things about the doggo?!

[cosmic cobalt]

yes

[royal totem]

Make smoke grenades pox gas. Krak grenades do 1/3rd damage and frags do no bleed till doggo is buffed

[ripe obsidian]

:(

[zealous wing]

they might as well be

smoke grenades are more useless than smite

[ripe obsidian]

Shock mine + nuncio Arby is a nice enough support, but it's boring.

[zealous wing]

well, thats not fair, smite can be useful

specifically SMYKER smite, is more useful than smoke grenades

[ripe obsidian]

Smoke grenades are fantastic

[zealous wing]

i hate them

[ripe obsidian]

What are you talking about

[zealous wing]

cant see shit

[ripe obsidian]

They're so good

[zealous wing]

still get sniped

[royal totem]

I hate artificial vent purge

[ripe obsidian]

Sniper can't aim through smoke

[zealous wing]

they aim where they last saw you

[thorn cedar]

love smokes

[zealous wing]

so, if youre down...

youre still dying quickly

[thorn cedar]

bubbles if they werent lame

[weary crane]

Smokes are arguably better than bubble because they can't be removed

[royal totem]

#makearbyopagain

[cosmic cobalt]

smokes are not spammable as bubble

[zealous wing]

when has anyone been in the middle of a smoke grenade and gone "this is fantastic! im so glad we have a smoke grenade vet instead of a shredder or krak for the crusher thats in here somewhere!"

[cosmic cobalt]

plus kinda have to rely on rng

for it to come back

[ripe obsidian]

Initial explosion deals no damage and very light stagger, 10m radius
• Suppression radius (explosion): 15m
• Smoke cloud effect: 5.5m radius, lasts for 15s; disables HUD nameplates of allies; players inside smoke are considered 'concealed' which alters the line of sight distance requirement of enemies during target selection; if a player holds aggro of an enemy who is in melee combat, the smoke has no effect on enemy perception; if a player holds aggro of an enemy who is in ranged combat, then the smoke makes the ranged enemy stop firing and change positions (this includes Sniper; Reaper is less likely to reposition); Gunners and Reaper when they are inside the smoke cloud's area of effect themselves keep firing at a player's last known position; Pox Hounds cannot lock on a player who is inside smoke cloud's area of effect and will keep circling the cloud; Trapper and Flamers need to be closer to players in order to start their shooting action; no effect on Bombers, Mutants, Poxburster

[ripe obsidian]

Gunners and reapers do

Smoke grenades are my favorite veteran blitz

[royal totem]

Heyyy hexisss ill play my vet with your psyker 😛

[weary crane]

They are great on havoc because bubble dies so quick

Plus it allows psyker to not have to take it

[royal totem]

I only give enemies "sticky surprises*

[cosmic cobalt]

yeah and they miss

a lot

[ripe obsidian]

I dislike bubble because it makes me rely on my team that much more. >:(

I say SHRIEK and make things die.

[cosmic cobalt]

smoke is supplemental

but i guess ok some map

[ripe obsidian]

I know. I like smoke grenades.

[wraith sphinx]

smoke grenades are awesome

[ripe obsidian]

I think Vet with VoC and smokes, plus a handful of other talents, is probably the best support class right now.

[royal totem]

I play vet without voc

[ripe obsidian]

You sick freak

[weary crane]

If you place bubble out in the open on havoc 40, it's down in like 5 seconds, whereas if you lay down a tonne of smokes, it makes that whole area clear to move in

[ripe obsidian]

6.6 seconds

[royal totem]

ES

[ripe obsidian]

I like precision.

[ripe obsidian]

Empyric Shock is also sickening on anything that isn't EK

[royal totem]

I use EK

In this case i was saying i play executioner vet though

[zealous wing]

im gonna be broke soon

[ripe obsidian]

Ex Stance is honestly good. I just like being dramatic.

[zealous wing]

i was over 4mil 2-3 days ago

then i leveled zealot and oggy

[ripe obsidian]

Like 50% of the things I say are just me being dramatic for the sake of it. Playing into my character, if that makes sense.

[royal totem]

Im always broke in DT

[royal totem]

I play Ex and dont shoot elites or specials

[ripe obsidian]

That's hateful

[royal totem]

Killing elites and specials is for the psykers on my team!

[ripe obsidian]

Kill crushers for me

And snipers, and bombers

Most of the rest, I've got.

[royal totem]

I give crushers sticky surprises 😏

Snipers get a round of plasma

[pale prairie]

The true Achilles heel of inferno psyker

[royal totem]

Bombers...they just want to live!

I mean...if you were a bomber you wouldnt want to get shot right?

[pale prairie]

Then stop throwing sticky surprises and fucking heads at me

Just go home

[cosmic cobalt]

you mean mutant

istg most of my death in havoc as psyker alway involved mutant

[pale prairie]

Eh I can dodge mutant. It’s harder to deal with threats outside my range

But yes mutant is dangerous

[royal totem]

GRENADE OUT!

[pale prairie]

NO

[royal totem]

Or....

I find trappers annoying actually

[pale prairie]

Trappers when the horde is too dense to dodge perpendicular

[royal totem]

Yes

I just drop 2 krak grenades

[marble crater]

What a noob

[pale prairie]

Sanction redactus: mutant hug

[pale prairie]

Okay that’s fucking funny

[pale prairie]

It’s like getting unnetted while another trapper fires a net

[strong gulch]

I was pushed at the end in the clip with bon

[pale prairie]

Clearly Six’s fault

[strong gulch]

"Running away after causing problems for my team escalated quickly mutant mutie train getting caught"

[royal totem]

A lil delayed but....

On plane now

[white valley]

Mutant class when

[marble crater]

Beloved?!

[marble crater]

Have a good flight

[royal totem]

Danke schon

[wraith sphinx]

fighting mutants never gets old for me

you feel like a toreador

[royal totem]

Waves of mutants

Havoc 40 but every special is a mutant

[zealous wing]

for shame

someones mad about not being able to have top damage

(im aware its probably a joke)

[cosmic cobalt]

it's a zealot

[candid temple]

I mean, smykers and inferno staff are just not very fun to play with.

[fierce crest]

i love inferno

i get to fight all the elites

and not have to worry about hordes

[mint forum]

I might be tripping, but has duelling sword been nerfed?

I dont see anything about it in the patch notes, but it feels weak compared to a week ago. I might be wrong though (kinda new to this game, I have no idea what damage values it hit on crushers).

Since I'm running it on most Psyker builds, if it has in fact been nerfed, what do I replace it with?

[zealous wing]

its technically been nerfed but it has parry now

so i believe its still viable if youre used to it

[mint forum]

so sub 1k non crit charged attacks in cursher's heads is the expected value?

[fierce crest]

without buffs sure

[mint forum]

Okay, thanks for the info. I'll continue running it then and just git gud at it ^^

[strong gulch]

The patch notes are in the big update (Bound by Duty). Not the smaller hot fixes.

https://www.playdarktide.com/news/bound-by-duty-free-update-out-now
Search "Duelling Swords" and you'll find all of the changes.

[paper harbor]

they removed the quick poke from special action to parry

[gray juniper]

Could so easily be trolling or complete seriousness

[acoustic jacinth]

Yeah, a lof of people seem genuinely upset over it

I say

[candid temple]

crushers got "buffed", we get less crushers but they have a lot more hp

[acoustic jacinth]

If things i don't use are overbuffed, it's a problem, if things i use are overbuffed, it was just destined to happen

[white valley]

Bruh, I just found a zealot in havoc who did nothing but shock maul special

[acoustic jacinth]

[candid temple]

Genius.

[acoustic jacinth]

I couldn't play havoc today at all man

[white valley]

we lost

[acoustic jacinth]

I tried but i got...

[white valley]

shockingly

GET IT?

[acoustic jacinth]

45-ish disconnects?

Everyone just floats and moonwalks

And i get error code 3012 or something

Over and over again

[white valley]

i haven't had any disconnects, lucky me

instead I get shock maul zealots

[acoustic jacinth]

Not dead yet? Lucky me!

OH NNOOOO, TRAPPPEERRR

Shock maul zealot does blow my mind though

How do you look at someone like arbitrator

Then look at zealot and go

O yeah, zealot's the shock maul guy

[candid temple]

Not everyone bought arbi

[acoustic jacinth]

Not slaving away for 40k? What is this

Not like it's optional when everything around it is so damn expensive with james worshop making it worse all the time

[candid temple]

Oh, I actually need to do this too.

May my teammates have mercy on my soul.

[acoustic jacinth]

My kidney is up for black market soon to buy those sweet krieg sets and some krieg minis

[candid temple]

https://tenor.com/view/3dprint-3d-printing-design-time-lapse-gif-13502531

[acoustic jacinth]

Welp, gl

[acoustic jacinth]

In albania the closest we have to this is whatever gramps made when he thought vodka was water

[white valley]

I am once again asking zealots to stop defaulting to flamer as well

[dense flume]

If you miss the stagger and control potential Deimos, imo.

[acoustic jacinth]

I bring double barrel to cosplay as an angry american

Get off my property and all that

[white valley]

something something as the founding fathers intended

[thorn cedar]

thats redundant. just say american.

[acoustic jacinth]

Yep

Fair point tbh

It's like saying

Racist balkan

Comes with the territory

[keen solar]

Greetings siblings

If you were looking for a very silly melee build today

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0114d9c-9324-4d55-81ef-74cb46e7a1d0/psyker-swashbuckler-2

Heavy Sword is quite good.

You can swap out Warp Splitting for Crack of Bone if you want more uptime on Scriers.

This one is just using the DOTS from Perilous Combustion and Charged Strike to chain into really good CC and decent Anti Elite/Mixed Horde control. It struggles with Carapace, but you have Trauma for the brittleness.

I'll probably be trying it out in Havoc sometime since the infinite cleave will let you apply Charged Strike to everything.

[candid temple]

Blew myself up twice in a row

also I hate ek

[strong gulch]

valid

take ER with it

and shriek

Can just go for penance normally.

[noble tusk]

Can someone explain why it's not that helpful to take PotS with ek and inferno staff? I would have figured that'd be quite helpful for dots on armor

[modest perch]

cus its not enough rending to be worth it nor is it consistent enough

[strong gulch]

Because you're already at high if not 100% ADM and/or that particular thing shouldn't be the main way to kill something.

SB DoT for crushers = not good (even when buffed)

The point for PotS is better spent elsewhere.

[ripe obsidian]

They're too spooky

[noble tusk]

Cool thanks. And what about penetrating flames over nexus?

[strong gulch]

Can check the build bonanza in pins for ADMs

[pale prairie]

It’s a fun team move but choosing it instead of Blaze Away your DPS suffers significantly. In the end killing the threat is better than removing armor from a target for someone else to kill

Blaze Away is just cracked on inferno staff

[ripe obsidian]

Attack them first. Assert yourself.

[strong gulch]

Pen flames is more worth it than PotS (I know blessing vs talent), but nexus is overall better because higher peril and crits both synergize with SB application and talents.

If you have bubble and do not like playing higher peril (peril edging), then pen flames may be a better fit. But that is building more around a play style and preference vs what's "better".

[pale prairie]

Alright I’ll use LMB and Empyric Shock

[ripe obsidian]

Penetrating Flames will boost damage against Crushers, but otherwise is a maximum increase of 8% damage against affected enemies. It's more for your team than for you.

[ripe obsidian]

Use your sword to mock them

[pale prairie]

Damn there should be a taunt special

[ripe obsidian]

Warp Nexus is more for you than your team. More crits = more damage, more soulblaze, more mettle, more Empathic Evasion

[pale prairie]

But good for me is good for team

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-charles-the-chad-chad-charles-charles-hoskinson-gif-18109180295868671003

[strong gulch]

I will say tho. Something pen flames does is stack on top of other brittleness sources.

So if you have a pen flames user and a rending shockwave user together, it's cool.

[kind jay]

i didnt realize charged strike ignored bulwark shields, so i just spent like 2 games beating on them directly with a shock maul while teammates looked at me like im psychotic

[strong gulch]

fecking order of letters. too hard

[strong gulch]

Ye. If you have enfeeble, you can just bash the shield with FGS and open them up.

unless that changed this patch

[kind jay]

with fgs i usually just force push them

[ripe obsidian]

Unironically yes

[strong gulch]

SPEAKING OF WHICH

bulwarks would not open when I force PA them yesterday

rude af

[kind jay]

my bad i pushed them so much they evolved

[wispy bay]

And you steal all of the warp fire damage from the VBlast user.

Because number matters more!

[strong gulch]

Race for PC

[pale prairie]

Well I have seen how you push bursters…..

[noble tusk]

My thought would have been blaze away + PF because I can get crit high enough by default to be reasonable but maybe the loss of the crit (2 stacks of SB vs 1) isn't worth it

[pale prairie]

Yeah there’s too much in Psykers kit to justify dropping warp nexus. Double stacking SB is just one of the benefits

[ripe obsidian]

The ability to safely LMB bursters with KF is beautiful

[pale prairie]

Lmao

[ripe obsidian]

Though I did have one instance where I killed like 20 shotgunners at once

And the resulting PC blew up 2 bursters

And my zealot

[thorn cedar]

hey i mean

its in the name

perilous

[celest valve]

if havoc or other mutators, I think there's a stat that would do that.

[marsh shore]

question about the force greatsword: does the force wave do more of anything if you charge the melee swing?

[strong gulch]

It was a non havoc normal bulwark no gas or anything.

[celest valve]

it is also possible the sole target to mega force push was something else

[strong gulch]

It was isolated. Like I just hit it with a regular melee attack.

no chaff around

[celest valve]

I... Think it affects the melee part but not the wave. Off memory the FGS basically does an illisi force sword slash that has the expected melee properties.

while also creating the wave

[strong gulch]

As far as I know, that's correct.

[marsh shore]

alright, thanks. am just getting the hang of psyker's kit and there's a few bits i'm still ironing out

[celest valve]

there technically is a charge level for the waves damage but that's determined I think by wave level instead or just ignored :x been forever since I looked at code tho

[marsh shore]

i've more or less been ignoring the level and perilmaxing my way through hordes

dunno if that's optimal, but it's worked out so far

[strong gulch]

The two bars are what determine how strong the FGS special will be. You have to have each bar filled for it to count. It's not a spectrum. You get 0, 1, or 2 bars.

[celest valve]

imo it's mostly a gimmick and you'll charge it fast in a horde anyway

since it literally only takes 20 body size or something to fill

[strong gulch]

So if 1 bar is partially filled, you don't get all of the charge. By charge, I don't mean charged attack (ie: heavy attack)

[marsh shore]

but the charge that's built up so far gets expended anyway if i do a special attack and it's not full?

[candid temple]

I should take a wound curio for this

[strong gulch]

If you do the special, what's "stored" gets used.

[marsh shore]

alright, i think i follow

[strong gulch]

Do you have ER and shriek for EK?

[candid temple]

No, it's just me not being used to tracking peril.

[strong gulch]

kk. Understandable.

[thorn cedar]

lul

mandalore gaming quietly showing Helldivers 2 background footage in his new video while talking about why mismanaged expectations can absolutely fuck a project even if the intention and execution is good

[candid temple]

, Chaos spawn threw me into a mutant, who was standing in fire so I died.

[radiant frigate]

love how grabs are either inconsequential or instant inescapable death

[royal totem]

Welp. I survived the flight ._.

[weary idol]

https://fximgur.com/a/x0O8ahA

[cosmic cobalt]

Skill issue

[marble crater]

If I got 1 aquila for every time this happened, I could buy every skin

But they said sorry and didn't know there is a med station, so all good

[strong gulch]

I hope it's just people didn't know.

I am/ was worried that a youtuber said to put med packs down before getting to medicae.

I keep seeing them do this

[radiant frigate]

semi-related but seeing the elevator close and hearing the mutie yelling reminded me of the time i got grabbed after the elevator got moving and the mutie went "oh shit my b" and put me back in the elevator, gently

[marble crater]

I keep seeing it so much at exactly this location, it's crazy

[marble crater]

What a nice mutie

[radiant frigate]

my teammates were very confused as to what they just witnessed

[marble crater]

Meanwhile I get annoyed when people are at 20% health and heal with the med pack instead of walking 2 meters to take a charge. But I also put med packs down by the med station sometimes, mostly at the end event of gloriana. In my head it makes sense, in case someone runs there but doesn't know all the charges are gone, will still find healing

[marble crater]

Nice heretics, I finished Sharts questline earlier and found only sadness, Shar sucks, damn

[zealous wing]

unyoinked

i wish you had a clip

[radiant frigate]

if only

[marble crater]

Kat is not clad (free him)

[zealous wing]

i havent even seen him online in game

i saw another character named "woman" and thought of him 😔

[thorn cedar]

clad was a woman?

good for him

[marble crater]

His Zealot was called Woman

[zealous wing]

IS >:(

[radiant frigate]

#FREECLAD

[strong gulch]

ability not going off again

[ripe obsidian]

What happened to Clad?

[strong gulch]

banned

[pale prairie]

A mod and some others were just throwing out takes on history in the Middle East. Clad decided to troll or share his opinion I am not sure about the Middle East being better under western colonization. Anyways don’t argue with a moderator. This was in general chat