psyker-class

[zealous wing]

im noticing a pattern though

[plucky flax]

The ogryn bleed nerf hurts my mk3b light spam build

[prisma niche]

To be clear the revolver fits my playstyle really well

[zealous wing]

psyker, assail
zealot, blades of faith
ogryn, rock

i like refilling secondary range options

[thorn cedar]

The real secret to BB is to precharge whenever opportunity presents itself and to get comfortable sprint sliding while doing it.

[plucky flax]

I guess it's karsolas heavy spam now.

[zealous wing]

rock being perma instakill for muties in all difficulties is nice

[pale prairie]

[zealous wing]

i wish i'd seen what the zealot saw like 20 games ago

carnival arena mission thing

that long walk after the bridge

[prisma niche]

Love that bridge honestly

Always fun to cross

[zealous wing]

a mutie came running so i prepped a rock, and i threw it, got the mutie, and i just see the zealot following the muties corpse fly past the airlock doorway they were standing in

[royal totem]

Does rock 1 hit muties in h40?

[zealous wing]

i saw it said so

in oggy chat

[thorn cedar]

Rock has an instant kill override on specific targets.

[strong gulch]

I'm winging it tbh. I haven't done a lot of testing.

This is what I have for now for EP BB inferno. Last point is a floater. It's in empyric shock because I kept having to to clutch and kite with a whole map following me, but it could easily be placed elsewhere.

[prisma niche]

It what

[thorn cedar]

It doesn't do a fixed amount of damage against those targets. It just kills.

[zealous wing]

what else does it kill? disablers in general?

[prisma niche]

That uh
Is insane
But appreciated

[pale prairie]

Branx

[zealous wing]

dogs, trappers, muties?

if it instakills all 3, perfect

[plucky flax]

Can it even one shot crusher?

[zealous wing]

thats what i use assail and blades of faith the most for

[pale prairie]

Muties for sure I can’t remember the rest

[royal totem]

But oggy big bomb funny

[pale prairie]

……….can Karsolas?

[zealous wing]

the emergency nuke is cool but, not my playstyle

[prisma niche]

I love assail so much
I want an assail javelin that obliterates crushers from range

[strong gulch]

Did some other runs with other inferno shriek players while I did inferno EP BB bubble (no ES) and I was only about 100k behind damage wise.

[zealous wing]

im very utility

[hearty wolf]

Empyric shock?

[zealous wing]

i like being ABLE to handle everything, even if its not the ideal speed at which to do so

[royal totem]

I hate assail still

[pale prairie]

Box is my friend for picking up lil uns constantly

[prisma niche]

[strong gulch]

Yeah

[royal totem]

I guess Thile is no sibling of mine

[hearty wolf]

Interesting

[zealous wing]

o.o

[prisma niche]

Explain thyself

[hearty wolf]

All maniacs basically

[zealous wing]

hmmm

[strong gulch]

ES is mostly not very good with most staff play.

[zealous wing]

web gunner isnt on that list

fuck

[royal totem]

Ur an assail enthusiast and im an assail hater

[strong gulch]

But I did want it when I was kiting away and refreshing SB.

[wind spruce]

Wtf is ES

[strong gulch]

But only that instance

[hearty wolf]

Cultist_mutant_mutator

[prisma niche]

What did assail do to you???

[hearty wolf]

Ignore me

I'm tired

Thought mutant=maniac

[zealous wing]

thats mutants under the effect of pox gas

[hearty wolf]

Just random m words

[pale prairie]

Lmao hey now there are inferno psykers who think this is way better than wildfire

[plucky flax]

No but karsolas heavy spam is good for both chaffs and mixed horde.

[pale prairie]

More energy drinks

[hearty wolf]

I'm stuck on train

[pale prairie]

So is Branx

[hearty wolf]

I haven't had one in like 12h

[pale prairie]

And two shot crusher

[hearty wolf]

I'm literally shutting down

[royal totem]

Nothing. But does nothing 4 me

[plucky flax]

I dunno branx is slow af

[pale prairie]

It is but very satisfying

[thorn cedar]

this is why i always keep a pack of instant coffee on me at all times

[hearty wolf]

I got on my train and I went the wrong direction for an hour

[pale prairie]

And the special stun is nice

[thorn cedar]

so that in dire circumstances i can snort it

[plucky flax]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1422637305008750843/image.png?ex=68e6a03c&is=68e54ebc&hm=aa674584c497d3221c0aae6da10bd5138f3c7732b73d6abe8464df6d4e2f385e&

[pale prairie]

I want to get this framed

[hearty wolf]

I'm literally like on the wrong side of the country to where I live

[plucky flax]

You should.

Literally anyone asking if wildfire is good I'll send them this.

Please never pick wildfire.

[pale prairie]

So many people think LMB inferno affects whole crowds

[thorn cedar]

thats not so bad, there's actual human beings who shill for Mind in Motion

[prisma niche]

Oh
It’s all about how it fits the setup
I use assail between big fights to help clean up stragglers

[prisma niche]

I like mind in motion…

[plucky flax]

You can be speeeeed.

[pale prairie]

Yeah that’s like a huge distanc—oh wait it’s Uk

[thorn cedar]

so do i its kinda my thing lmao

[prisma niche]

My entire loadout is kinda meant to encourage mobility

[zealous wing]

i still dont get the love for it imma be honest

[hearty wolf]

It's still terrible 😭.

Was gonna get home an hour ago but instead I'm getting home in about an hour and a bit

2 1/2 hour blunder

[zealous wing]

walking slightly faster to quell for half a second, or slidequell, it just is a wasted talent point to me

[gray juniper]

No motion? Couldn’t be me

[pale prairie]

Be honest. Did you fall asleep?

I think the energy drinks have side effects

[hearty wolf]

Yea but the error was before I got on the train.

It said platform 1 so I went and got on the train on platform

[pale prairie]

It’s a comfort thing. Like having icecream in a cup rather than a cone

[hearty wolf]

Halfway through my slumber I look out there window

[royal totem]

I only BB

[hearty wolf]

And I'm like "Wait a minute..."

[pale prairie]

Damn

That would be so aggravating

[hearty wolf]

I'm just glad I caught it before I got any further

[pale prairie]

Time to test out the emergency stop button

[gray juniper]

Euros be like “I’m taking a job on the other side of the country”. It’s a 30 minute drive

[prisma niche]

Where did that
Even come from

[zealous wing]

idk where it started but its accurate to other things ive heard from the english

[hearty wolf]

Someone who does "road trips y'all"

[prisma niche]

Brits go on a “road trip” to the other side of the city

[hearty wolf]

No that's too far wtf

That's two day travel plan

[zealous wing]

flashbacks to that one reddit story, asking if they were the asshole for not visiting family who live really far away.

it was a 40 minute drive.

[gray juniper]

Sin check this out. Someone told me this saying it was so “aha;
In the United States 100 years is a long time but a short distance
In Europe 100 years is a short time but a long distance

[zealous wing]

all the americans fucking bashed him

[prisma niche]

I drive 40 minutes to restock ammo

[summer prairie]

I've a terrible commute, 10 minute walk

[pale prairie]

Is there even a time change?

[thorn cedar]

same, four minutes on foot. grueling.

[hearty wolf]

I'd agree. But also I'd say we have a lot more change in 100 years then the US but this is probably flawed due to me not knowing things.

[pale prairie]

I know doctors that fly from west coast to east coast to work a 2 month contract

[thorn cedar]

I know morons who drive three hours to and then three hours back from Toronto.

[gray juniper]

Idk ask the Brit. Most of them live in GMT anyway

[prisma niche]

In Europe I think time zones are a three-four drive apart

[thorn cedar]

Every fucking day.

One is my best friend but he's still a moron.

[hearty wolf]

I hate commute

Like

It takes me 35m to get to the office

[gray juniper]

I think it’s saying the us is so young that not very long ago seems like a long time in perception to Americans

[hearty wolf]

And that's too much for me

Like mentally, it's exhausting

[radiant frigate]

must be some weird abhuman strain

[hearty wolf]

That being said, I used to go to school and that took me 1 1/2 hours either way

[thorn cedar]

an incredibly sexy strain, presumably

[zealous wing]

its 35m youre probably not getting paid for, either way, there or back

[radiant frigate]

mildly agonizing

[pale prairie]

3-4 hour drive?

[prisma niche]

20 minutes for me
15 if I do some particularly unsafe driving

[hearty wolf]

It's more than that though. Cos I've got to wake up, shower and put clothes on, feed cat, feed myself and then go

[thorn cedar]

Being stuck in traffic for a work commute was the best time to mentally disassociate and partake in some light suicidal ideation.

[hearty wolf]

And then turn up with a good attitude

Or I could wake up 3 minutes before I work and just get onto my laptop and make a cup of tea while my laptop boots

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-2019-joaquin-phoenix-forced-smile-gif-15378722

[prisma niche]

My sense of scale is a little skewed by how the world map distorts distance

[zealous wing]

my security job was the worst. busses arrived half an hour early for my shift, or half an hour late, so, i was always early, took about an hour to get to the site.

[prisma niche]

Living on top of a time zone border must be really weird

[royal totem]

I cant work from home

[plucky flax]

5 mins walk for me if I walk fast

[zealous wing]

retail job was a little better time-wise, but it was a half hour walk

[hearty wolf]

Can't as in, not allowed or don't want to?

[summer prairie]

Okay, maybe 7-8 if I try

[royal totem]

Not allowed

[summer prairie]

but I don't so I cycle

too far

[prisma niche]

I work security now
Best job I could ask for honestly, most nights I just play clash Royale for like 6 hours with nothing else to do

[royal totem]

My boss is mean 🙁

[prisma niche]

Eat them

[royal totem]

im my own boss

[zealous wing]

pretty much this, the time it took out of a day was just terrible though

[prisma niche]

And?

[zealous wing]

night shift was 8 hours, but day shift was 10

[hearty wolf]

Wait so, what exactly do you do?

[prisma niche]

Eh, being honest it’s how I’d have spent my time anyway
Though maybe instead of clash it would be Darktide or replaying just cause for the tenth time

[marble crater]

Hate it

[hearty wolf]

That's another thing about the UK. Our work weeks are extremely short compared to you guys

[royal totem]

Freelance photographer

[hearty wolf]

You guys average 40h generally speaking, ours is 37

[pale prairie]

Hate one? You’ll have to be specific

[hearty wolf]

With a mandatory 20m break if you work longer than 6h

[prisma niche]

A friend of mine that lives in Australia was horrified when I told them we work 40 hours minimum

[hearty wolf]

Or if you're a lorry driver or whatever

[thorn cedar]

That's been a sore spot with my work place lately. It's really funny how some people cannot wrap their head around the idea of "I make enough money".

[pale prairie]

What a specific number

[hearty wolf]

40h as an expectation is disgusting to me

[pale prairie]

32 hour workweek!

Make it happen

[hearty wolf]

It's calculated as 7.4h per day for whatever reason.

[prisma niche]

Sometimes they make me take on more shifts too
Sometimes I need to stay for several hours after my shift ended for training

[pale prairie]

Huh interesting TIL

[gray juniper]

Wage slave mentality shit

[marble crater]

Hate it all, leave it as it is and get rid of daylight savings time, don't care which becomes the standard

[thorn cedar]

Since our manager got fired our district manager came in to try and shore up gaps in the schedule and she asked if she could exceed my stated maximum 30hrs a week to 44 full and I said no. She said "But you'd make more money." I said no. "I don't understand why not?" Because I already have enough. "But you could have more?" AND DO WHAT SARAH, I ALREADY MAKE ENOUGH

I'm sorry your dumb ass makes four times more than me and still can't manage your own finances.

[pale prairie]

Yes DST is silly and costs millions of dollars every year. It’s insane

[hearty wolf]

Yeah no that doesn't really happen for me. I have flexible working hours from 7-7

And then on top of that, I don't even need to do my full 37 hours a week if I have flexible time

So for example.

If I work 40 hours one week

I can do 34 the other

[marble crater]

But what if you could have less free time?

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/its-so-peak-berserk-berserk-its-so-peak-guts-crying-guts-crying-berserk-gif-7166032023177063931

[hearty wolf]

Or let's say I work 2 40 hour weeks, I can just take a day off

[plucky flax]

I don't get paid much but hey I only work like 25 hours a week.

[thorn cedar]

Basically what she's 'selling' me on.

[plucky flax]

[gray juniper]

Money is a representation of time, not an exact equivalence of it. People lose sight of this

[thorn cedar]

More like selling herself on though tbh

[plucky flax]

Part timer.

[pale prairie]

Enough to buy 6090

[hearty wolf]

How do you survive?

[zealous wing]

agreed. doesnt matter which one, either way we'll have the sun up at midnight and the sky dark at noon, at some part of the year

[gray juniper]

I’ll keel you over my time

[plucky flax]

I dunno I don't drink and smoke and I have some investment.

[prisma niche]

I worked 57 hours one week and had to do 40 the next
I should say, that isn’t normal, and usually my employers will give me more off days after working that much (Not because they care about me, because they don’t have it in the budget to pay me for that much work)

[thorn cedar]

Anyway she's a cunt who went ahead and put me down for 44hrs a week anyway, I just call off work whenever I feel like it lmao

[plucky flax]

I am actually full time employed it's just I skyve a lot. Xd

[pale prairie]

Question though. How much of your work day is commuting

[thorn cedar]

what is a skyve

[hearty wolf]

I couldn't do that mentally if it was expected of me.

Like if my coworker was to ask me to work over the weekend? I probably would. I don't mind working for an hour or two over the weekend if I don't have a specific time to be on.

[plucky flax]

Maybe skive.

[marble crater]

Skype?

[thorn cedar]

still dunno

[plucky flax]

It's slang.

For not doing work.

[thorn cedar]

ah

[hearty wolf]

2 days per week because they increased it from 1 day per week.

35 minutes either way so about 1h 10 per day if I go into the office

[plucky flax]

Or like not going to class at school.

[thorn cedar]

NEET

[hearty wolf]

Today I had a conference in London so I've spent uh..

Like 8 hours travelling because I went the wrong way lmao

[prisma niche]

Oh yeah I’m also per-diem so I don’t get paid time off
Even if I was full time my PTO rate would be 5.xx hours every two weeks

[hearty wolf]

Wait hold on.

[plucky flax]

If you're in the UK get a trading 212 ISA account.

And learn to invest.

[prisma niche]

Sorry very tired

[hearty wolf]

Already have one

[radiant frigate]

#FREECLAD

[hearty wolf]

This week was big win

AMD shot my portfolio to high heaven

[hearty wolf]

Yeah back to this.

[zealous wing]

i havent even seen clad online in darktide recently 😔

[prisma niche]

Wish I could invest in things
It would take me five years without spending a dime to get a starter budget

[plucky flax]

Damn what was your average?

[hearty wolf]

So you're paid per day but DON'T get paid time off? How does that make any sense?

[thorn cedar]

America is my guess.

[plucky flax]

I only bought some amd recently. $139 average

[hearty wolf]

Average return of about 25% but I shot up to 53 from AMD

The other thing that really helped was Greggs

[radiant frigate]

it really is

[plucky flax]

I mean average price per share.

Investing in food.

[hearty wolf]

Ah, I don't know average price per share since you just hit buy on T212 and it does it lmao

[prisma niche]

I get paid every two weeks
Per-diem essentially means “When needed”
I get shifts when they are available or when they need someone to fill

[hearty wolf]

Fractional shares are so nice

I can probs check

[hearty wolf]

So it's basically zero hour

[plucky flax]

If you click on amd.

Then scroll down.

[hearty wolf]

Or well, what's the difference

[plucky flax]

It'll say your investment.

[prisma niche]

I also don’t get paid for lunch
And they force me to stay for my required 30 minute break because they got sued for letting people that didn’t use their break leave early

[thorn cedar]

I've moved off stocks to GICs, which aren't sexy but they're guaranteed and can't be ruined by, say, some absolute fucking nutter in the Presidential Oval Office firing off a tweet calling one of the largest companies in the world traitorous.

[hearty wolf]

€120 when I got it

I didn't get it on NASDAQ

I don't recall why. I think the fees were less or something

[hearty wolf]

That's seriously disgusting

Do you even enjoy what you do?

[plucky flax]

I prefer using the US market if I can.

[prisma niche]

Enjoy is a strong word
I work security so 90% of my time is spent having nothing to do

[hearty wolf]

What's the pay like?

[prisma niche]

18.18/hr
minimum in my state is 15.41/hr
(I somefuckinghow make more than the average EMT or HAZMAT worker)
Allegedly I’m getting a raise to 21/hr but I’ve not heard any word of that raise arriving

[plucky flax]

I am antiwork enjoyer.

[hearty wolf]

So about 3ish grand a month which sounds fine if you're not in place like California

[plucky flax]

Do you get paid leave?

[prisma niche]

It is not fine

[prisma niche]

N o

[plucky flax]

RIP

[hearty wolf]

RIP

I forget how fucked US inflation is

I just checked the price of eggs

[thorn cedar]

you can rest easy knowing that you are taking on the unfair tax burden that jeff bezos and elon musk could never afford to pay on their wages

[hearty wolf]

Dude that would make me bankrupt

[plucky flax]

US people laugh at our wage though.

We get paid fairly poorly.

[hearty wolf]

$15 a carton at times due to shortages??? Like wtf

[hearty wolf]

Oh for sure.

[prisma niche]

If I wasn’t:
-Living with my parents
-who do not charge me rent
-and pay for most of my food
-and drive an electric car
-Have health insurance from my dad
-Have car insurance from my dad
My monthly bills would be 70% of my paycheck

[hearty wolf]

I also work civil service so it's giga dogshit and I should probably get a private sector job

But I'm comfy ATM since the GF is supposedly inheriting a travel agency business

She should be taking in 40k a month

[thorn cedar]

Believe it or not, that last line is true for roughly 70% of people in America all the way up to the 300,000+ annually

[prisma niche]

Holy shit

[plucky flax]

It's easy job working for council/government though.

[hearty wolf]

So I'm working towards unemployment

[plucky flax]

Like me I am doing some work per day.

[hearty wolf]

I do live with the same assumptions but I use my dad to drop me off places rather than get a car and drive myself

My student loan repayments got fucked up so I'm currently paying like 25% of my salary for a useless piece of paper

It's a really shiny piece of paper though

[prisma niche]

It’s fucking insane
And some dumbass skipped a stop sign and totalled my (dad’s) car
I am immensely lucky my dad neither requires nor wants me to pay for it

[plucky flax]

Also if you're tech savvy you can bypass a lot of subscriptions.

[hearty wolf]

I'd query how people manage their money

[thorn cedar]

They don't.

[plucky flax]

You can watch free sports/movies/whatever.

[thorn cedar]

You make $2,000 more, you spend $2,000 more. End of thought process.

[hearty wolf]

Like when I talk to a lot of Americans, they really poorly utilise Roths and 401ks etc

[strong gulch]

Don't get sick.

[prisma niche]

Generally the more money you have the less careful you are with it
I’m uh… a little guilty of this… Looking at my 700$ D&D dice collection…

[hearty wolf]

But that's a problem here in the UK. Financial literacy is really, really bad.

[plucky flax]

Go work for fartshart if you want easy time. Mandatory leave 6 months a year.

Swedish law.

[hearty wolf]

I think I guilt myself into not spending because I think about money that I don't save as money lost

[thorn cedar]

Hey I'm guilty too. If I had actually set up my savings structure/system five years ago when I started this job, I would already be making enough money on interest alone to sustain all my monthly bills.

But you know what they say.

Best time to save was ten years ago, second best time is today.

[hearty wolf]

Since I think about "What it I invested this in the S&p500 for 30 years?"

[vernal temple]

can't play no more with this character

[thorn cedar]

Also I still smoke like a fucking moron.

[plucky flax]

s&p500 very safe investment.

[hearty wolf]

It's a negative mindset but I have saved a lot more money than I usually would. I've started to begin spending on myself i.e buying energy drinks

[prisma niche]

If I don’t spend anything for 20 years I would earn 400/month in interest

[marble crater]

What if you die in 29 years

[hearty wolf]

It is although there are now rumours from financial analysts (who tend to be wrong anyway) that since the index is over priced and we're about to burst.

They've been saying that for about 10 years though, so.

But it's happening again. I forget which global shock is causing it this time.

Something something about AI

[thorn cedar]

Still true, it's always just a when.

[hearty wolf]

How it's going to crash

[mental rock]

It's because of Nvidia

[plucky flax]

Too late all my stocks are in AI.

[strong gulch]

Just be too sick or disabled to work and have healthcare be tied to work too; but also if care benefits require work don't make too much (actually smol amount of money) or you lose benefits. Hope people let you live with them so you're not on the street.

[hearty wolf]

I'll donate to Sut charity

[mental rock]

The ai bubble, Nvidia is a very high % of the sp 500

[hearty wolf]

I don't care about being happy so if it makes someone else happy, cool.

[thorn cedar]

Just don't trip about it. The reality is that if your stocks drop in value you didn't lose any money -- it would have already been sold for that to be true.

You lost 'potential' which is vague and meaningless shit to worry over.

[marble crater]

You should care about being happy

[prisma niche]

The entire global economy is sitting on the AI hype bubble and when it pops everything will go to shit

That’s fine. I feel like we need to go back to a bartering system anyway.

[plucky flax]

I got some ast spacemobile for the meme recently. It worked out well.

[thorn cedar]

I 'potentially' could have been an astronaut. Who cares.

[burnt frigate]

Anyone know the havoc meta for 2s?

[hearty wolf]

I get it. I spent an entire year being nothing but happy no matter what and it was pretty great but by the end of it, I don't think it changed terribly much for me. I think the main thing was having more friends and opportunities

[prisma niche]

The 50% nasa budget slash:

[hearty wolf]

But that means less time to read books and enjoy video game

[thorn cedar]

like, duos?

no idea

be good, dont be bad?

[marble crater]

Video games make happy

[burnt frigate]

Using bubble knight to good effect for 2s, just wondering if there's anything anyone's using instead

[hearty wolf]

See I'm partly dubious because the same thing happened when money moved away from gold but now precious metals are spiking because of AI

It just kinda of circles into itself

Either way it takes too much brain power for me to think about

[summer prairie]

@deft stump I'm around now

[hearty wolf]

I could be up more than 50% if I was more risky but I'm not even sure what I'd do with the money

Everything is too expensive

[thorn cedar]

The most powerful force in the universe is compound interest.

Unless you plan to retire the day the bubble pops, it doesn't really matter.

Just leave the shit there and reap the 3% annual average.

[prisma niche]

Finance is the worst fucking thing to study
It’s like, Jenga Tower cubed (^3)
Literally everything affects everything else in such a subtle yet massively impactful way

It is legitimately humanly impossible to comprehend the full picture

[hearty wolf]

Exactly. I reckon if I really paid attention to it, I could do really well just trading by paying attention to more general trends but...

I dunno. There's something not satisfying about it

[thorn cedar]

It's also a trap lol

[hearty wolf]

You're just living your life based on the value of some imaginary figure basically

[thorn cedar]

Everyone wants to think they can read stocks like Neo can read code in The Matrix.

[prisma niche]

Fuck that, if you understood finance enough to succeed with that you could make bank as a financial advisor

[hearty wolf]

Absolutely true

[burnt frigate]

Finance is just power projection. Without the need to domineer there is no need convolute financial systems as a gatekeeping mechanism. Finance is therefore counter to the biological imperative. Birthrates say all we need to say about this.

[plucky flax]

You should just win the euromillionaire. It's easy money.

[thorn cedar]

Even the absolute best day traders rarely or never crack the 3% annual average you would get just buying into S&P and leaving it.

3,000% more effort for -1% gains.

[hearty wolf]

That's another thing. I've won a lot, I don't want to push my luck any further.

[thorn cedar]

stonks

[hearty wolf]

And hell, I'm still subject to a crash

[thorn cedar]

And burnout. And dumb mistakes. Or being mislead.

[hearty wolf]

Burnout is a big one for me, ya.

[thorn cedar]

And shit right now is completely fucked up in America so.

There's no reason to be playing day trader unless you work for the White House.

[prisma niche]

Investing in stock is slightly less stupid than investing in crypto

[plucky flax]

Invest in your body. Get tattoos.

[thorn cedar]

Stocks are sound. Being particular and day trading stocks is not.

[hearty wolf]

Unironically I profit quite a lot off America's downfall in certain areas which feels really scummy

[hearty wolf]

I've considered enough but I'm too fucking fat atm, what if I become more lean then it looks like shit

[prisma niche]

Eh, don’t, if you didn’t benefit someone else would anyway
It’s how the game is played. To win, someone else has to lose

[burnt frigate]

Unironically I retired with full merits from the US military and am probably the first to starve in the new great depression.

[plucky flax]

No it'd just shrink.

If you're skinny then it'd expand.

Should look fine still.

[prisma niche]

One trillion dollars and not a penny for those who gave their lives to serve
Disgusting

[plucky flax]

Get it now before you're old and can't handle the pain.

[burnt frigate]

On the scales of the balance, as money increases virtue decreases.

[hearty wolf]

Sad but true.

[prisma niche]

Burn the banks and eat the rich!

[hearty wolf]

Sorry I'm completely ignorant about this

From what I've HEARD

You get a really good retirement and you get VA payments?

You seem to be saying the opposite

I've also heard it's really easy to get VA

[burnt frigate]

American Breadlines songs are going to pop over the next decade though. The art scene always flourishes under rebelling against fascism.

[thorn cedar]

"Get That Corpo Bread" by Yung Tizzy gonna be the biggest hit of Summer 2028

[burnt frigate]

"Free Taiwan" in 2027

[thorn cedar]

Taiwan is gonna be very funny in ten years or so I bet.

Get ready for an insane hot take from a man way out of his depth but --

[burnt frigate]

nah china has a population collapse that starts in 2027, they need to kick off war by then or lose the advantage they have.

[thorn cedar]

China is making big moves to NOT need Taiwan's chip manufacturing anymore by on-shoring all that production and doing it even better.

[burnt frigate]

Pretty much a guaranteed war by 2027

[thorn cedar]

So America will come in and they will win a completely pointless war gaining nothing new and China loses nothing either except maybe a bit of face depending on how global media potrays the situation.

Meanwhile America is walling itself off from any means of increasing its chip production so, good luck with that.

It's already too slow to act even if it could.

[burnt frigate]

No American Hegemony has already collapsed. Friends look elsewhere and enemies laugh. The moment Japan remilitarized against US agreements was the final notice that soft power had evaporated. Israel committing war crimes is a result of a weakened American hegemony.

[thorn cedar]

yea it was dead with the reelection

[burnt frigate]

There's no coming back. This will spiral into a Sovereign Debt Crisis as the interest rates on debt keep climbing as allies abandon us.

[thorn cedar]

But the good news is that illegals won't be making your coffee anymore, and that's what really helps me sleep at night.

[burnt frigate]

The US is projected, by the PENTAGON, to collapse into city states.

With Denver being the Largest by far and with enough leverage to commit to wars to enable access to sea routes.

[steel flame]

Not to be rude but I think it's time to enact, "I don't care let's talk about funny brain man instead" protocol

I suggest taking this to private dms

[thorn cedar]

yea probably correct

[burnt frigate]

That's called decadence and it kills empires. Enjoy your game.

[thorn cedar]

we do all die eventually

but ill die being really good at darktide

[steel flame]

[thorn cedar]

when death comes for me, ill hear the backstab sound play before his scythe swings, and WHAM

[ripe obsidian]

https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Denver

I'm ready to die by radroach

[thorn cedar]

instant devil claw parry

dummy wont even know what hit him

[burnt frigate]

Have you played CK2/3's mod After the End?

Denver is run by the descendants of UFO cults.

[steel flame]

That tracks

[ripe obsidian]

Every time I play Crusader Kings, I end up getting murdered by my son and losing my entire empire in 2 years

[royal totem]

What dafaq did i come back to

[steel flame]

Fuck if I know

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/joaquin-phoenix-commodus-gladiator-am-i-not-merciful-gif-12708905

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/pirates-of-the-caribbean-dystopias-dystopia-start-believing-believing-gif-11972462939270717154

[royal totem]

@pale prairie ill be back tmrrw

[ripe obsidian]

Also, I choose to believe Megacity 1 will be the biggest. There I can die by Judge, like a civilized person.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mega-City_One

Though we could do without Florida.

[fathom adder]

Florida is a necessary containment district for Florida Men

[ripe obsidian]

True.

We can go full Escape from New York

Put up a big wall

Send in Snake Plissken when things get bad

[burnt frigate]

Like barbary pirates exerting control over the coasts up to the fall line.

[narrow herald]

That's what makes it the first 😈

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/bugsbunny-florida-saw-cut-island-gif-5578844

Why doesn't the Imperium of Man have a giant saw they can use to cut off bad parts of planets?

[burnt frigate]

After the End. If you look at florida there's a feudal kingdom "The Mouse" that lives in the castle of Walt.

[gray juniper]

To keep a big empire you have to be absolutely ruthless, not be particularly attached to any one character or culture, beat down uprisings constantly, be a feared character

[burnt frigate]

Men At Arms. 100% it always comes down to MAAs. Find a culture that costs the least to reform your MAAs the way you like with MAAs that you can tolerate.

[ripe obsidian]

There's a pilot from Glitch titled Knights of Guinevere that's a dystopian satire of Disney corporate culture

[burnt frigate]

Those dumb things make every setting worth learning about.

[ripe obsidian]

I am too ruthful to be a good emperor.

[gray juniper]

I like to train my grandsons sons up even. If I end up with a weak ruler and especially if they’re old enough, I’ll kill them with stress before anything altering happens

[thorn cedar]

thats ok, babe ruthful was a pretty cool baseball player

[strong gulch]

sims coded

[gray juniper]

Getting the wrong hereditary traits (and I mean a lineage full of deceitful/sadistic/wrathful traits) it begins to suck

[burnt frigate]

Bro this summed up what I was debating typing out.

Thank you.

[pale prairie]

The inbreeding dear god the inbreeding

[gray juniper]

Sigh. Yes

Ngl it’s sooo good

[pale prairie]

Oh great this son is just fucking possessed that’s cool

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/animals-deer-gif-3640815857895356837

[burnt frigate]

Learning lifestyle. Set him up to reform your culture and religion.

[gray juniper]

Literally super easy to deal with

[pale prairie]

My best commander is also my least loyal…….hmmmmmm

That can’t go wrong

[gray juniper]

When you get an “ambitious” trait nephew that inherits a duchy or kingdom from his dad and you know you’re gonna have to kill him

[pale prairie]

NEPOTISM IS SUPPOSED TO WORK FOR ME

[deft stump]

Oh. I just woke up lul.

[ripe obsidian]

Is this a decent baseline non-BCoB/TtS meleeker/gunker tree? I want to get a few put together for the guide.

[summer prairie]

I still have some time if agent is around

[thorn cedar]

no mind in motion

trash it

[gray juniper]

Dude some proto-Turkic/causcauses guy had Iike all the knight traits I’d been looking for. He was about to rebel yet again but then I was like “here’s my daughter”. We’re blood now bitch 😈

[ripe obsidian]

Give me a Gameslantern link and I'll put your build in.

[thorn cedar]

ugh but now i have to go like, find it again

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a00d9e40-f892-42c9-af88-4cf356ab3df6/woosh-woo-zoom-gunker-v10

[pale prairie]

Yes that’s decent I would say KD and white ranged node are optional if it’s a Meleeker. I like warpghost and anticipation (for FGS)

[burnt frigate]

Does peril generation reduction apply to the peril generated by damage taken?

[thorn cedar]

yea that ranged 10% is really not necessary

[thorn cedar]

yes

[pale prairie]

Nice job. I loved medieval 2 total war because of how humorous the negative traits were

[burnt frigate]

I love tank psyker.

[ripe obsidian]

I'll add it tonight

[pale prairie]

JaD is effected by peril generation reduction

[ripe obsidian]

True, Anticipation is a nice comfort node for FGS. I think I prefer KD over Warp Ghost for melee/SG builds, but is preference

[pale prairie]

Basically you get less peril for blocking damage

[pale prairie]

I am swinging way more than blocking. Unless it’s rinda or DH

[gray juniper]

For the longest time I didn’t understand how murder worked in ck3 so I kept dying but later I was like oh I know exactly who did it/will do it

[pale prairie]

Not just a comfort node in my opinion. Makes it so you can actually avoid the double taps from rager swings

[ripe obsidian]

DH is the only reason I ever miss KD anymore

[thorn cedar]

idk i just use the hilarious attack range of the FGS

[pale prairie]

Luckily I am not inferno waking them up

[thorn cedar]

i dont like taking anticipation

[wind spruce]

quietude should absoluttely be baseline

[pale prairie]

Mind in motion is a must but heaven forbid better dodge

[thorn cedar]

i feel like between the heavy poke/push attack/big slice you should be plenty able to avoid shit

[pale prairie]

He said NO BCoB

[deft stump]

He isn't. Guess it's gonna be that week.

[thorn cedar]

two different purposes tho

[wind spruce]

doesnt mattter

[summer prairie]

plenty of time

[thorn cedar]

and my MiM is almost always with a Deimos which REALLY doesn't need Anticipation

[pale prairie]

I said WITH FGS

[ripe obsidian]

That got patched out today. At least Shriek and PC waking it.

[thorn cedar]

ik

so even with FGS, dont super care for anticipation

[royal totem]

Gonna melee psyker with DS

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-morty-rick-and-morty-boos-cheers-gif-23531888

[thorn cedar]

points are still tight on psyker tree but in a good way

lots of juicy shit to pick up

[ripe obsidian]

I think Quietude is good, but optional. You already have loads of toughness gen with Mettle, Warp Expenditure, SG, and DD. Plus base melee kill toughness.

[thorn cedar]

you want Quietude if you want Perilous Combustion

that's really what my conclusion is on that matter

[pale prairie]

Lmao

[ripe obsidian]

I don't take PC on meleeker builds

[thorn cedar]

cause Warp Expend is reealllly fucken good

but it doesnt get you PC

[wind spruce]

quietude is 3% toughness per second with just scriers gaze + natural peril decay

[thorn cedar]

and Soulstealer aint really it as gunker

[wind spruce]

it gives burst toughness when activating scriers

and you can hold quell at high scriers to regen super quickly

its toughness utility

[thorn cedar]

you should, its nasty stronk

[wind spruce]

not skippable

[pale prairie]

I was within 30k damage as another meleeker last night that took PC. They also took twice as much damage and went down several times

[ripe obsidian]

I don't love Soulblaze when PC is the only source. It's fine, but I rarely find it useful.

[pale prairie]

I get more from a single DD kill

[thorn cedar]

It's not there to top your damage.

It's there to melt blobs of bullshit.

And it does that exceedingly well.

[summer prairie]

Surely Tzeentch Twi- I mean warp rift won't be a mess if it ever makes it to Havoc in this form (pressing delete here) https://streamable.com/u21996

[thorn cedar]

cant wait for twins mode

[ripe obsidian]

Again, I think PC is fine on meleeker. But I would rather have other things

[plucky flax]

Twins is just more burga/trauma buff.

[summer prairie]

yes

[wind spruce]

if youre not generating toughness with anything but scriers and have no bcob, bm or tts, then fine, skip quietude and the aforementioned utiltiy with scriers

but if you are using assail or have any of those talents its worth

[ripe obsidian]

Fatshark introducing something that doesn't buff Inferno/Voidblast challenge: difficulty impossible

[wind spruce]

nothing else in the build gives you toughness WHEN YOU WANT IT

only quietude can do that

[pale prairie]

Lmao

[summer prairie]

Captain splits into 2 daemonhosts though

[thorn cedar]

until they make scab ragers carapace body and introduce fucken Link from Ocarina of Time with Iron Boots and a Fire Tunic I mean that's how it's gonna stay

[plucky flax]

Make crushers take 100% soulblaze damage.

[pale prairie]

Stop it you’ll scare the burga Psykers

[ripe obsidian]

Inferno crits shouldn't apply double soulblaze stacks. That's the best way to balance it imo

[thorn cedar]

are u kidding

fix the fucking dot rending lmao

thats right at the goddamn top

[ripe obsidian]

Rending does almost nothing for Soulblaze

[thorn cedar]

this coming from someone who abuses the shit out of that, maliciously

[ripe obsidian]

It only affects Crushers

[thorn cedar]

at 124% rending it does plenty

and its bleeds too mind you, but i get we're in psyker convo

[ornate hamlet]

My incomparable mind when I just think hard enough about crushers having zero armor

[ripe obsidian]

Soulblaze has like 150% ADMs on everything else.

Bleed actually needs the rending

It has sub-100% ADMs

[thorn cedar]

neither should work

dots should be their own category of damage and shouldnt benefit from generic damage bonuses

[ripe obsidian]

That'd be a 31% damage buff if the ADM is under 200%, I believe. Which yeah, is significant. But it honestly seems like an Uncanny issue more than anything

[thorn cedar]

and make Scab Bruisers Carapace main too

yeah it is mostly uncanny but as a whole its not an interaction that should be pursued

rending as a whole even is just

so wonky and obnoxious

its either not at all enough to matter (90% of cases) or it's so much rending that it breaks armor classes wide open

brittleness is a fine concept

[ripe obsidian]

I think Carapace as an armor type is in a bad place right now.

[thorn cedar]

if four people dedicated to having 20% brittleness each i am ok with that

it is not cute however to have one dueling sword guy ramapge through armor with uncanny doing 124%

[ripe obsidian]

There are issues with the armor system when only one type is worth building to counter, and everything else is just kinda there.

Uncanny probably shouldn't apply to anything beyond the weapon it's on.

[buoyant maple]

just uncanny

rending everywhere else isn't as bonkers

[thorn cedar]

Almost all other rending instances should be brittleness imo

Aaa fuck rain

[thorn cedar]

It should really be a target debuff

Five swings to full rend one crusher is much more reasonable than five swings to have permanent full rending

[buoyant maple]

nah

rending is fine

[thorn cedar]

ur fine

idiot

[buoyant maple]

uncanny needs to be 20% at max stacks

and be melee_rending

[white valley]

20 seems low

[buoyant maple]

ez fix

[buoyant maple]

20% is normal

[thorn cedar]

20 is what everything else gets

[buoyant maple]

look at every other source of rending

most don't even get 20%

10% and 15%

[thorn cedar]

Deffo on the melee rending part

[white valley]

When thunderous is 40% brittle

[pale prairie]

DID SOMEONE SAY PENETRATION OF THE SOUL?!?

[white valley]

And shrimpact is 40% too

[buoyant maple]

takes 4 hits to get there

[white valley]

Uncanny takes 5.

[thorn cedar]

And stays up

And is three times the value

[buoyant maple]

uncanny takes 1~2

[white valley]

Brittleness also helps the entire team

[white valley]

Atm yes

[buoyant maple]

this part is massively overstated

[white valley]

But this convo is about reducing it, and I am saying 20% at max stacks seems low

[white valley]

So true, must be why bully clubgryn is so popular

[buoyant maple]

buff the weapon itself's attack ADM

[buoyant maple]

skullcrusher

[thorn cedar]

do not buff the bullyclub

do not listen to this man

[white valley]

Skullcrusher + thunderous is super nice to have in a team

[white valley]

No one is asking for that, where did you hallucinate such a thing??

[thorn cedar]

it has team applications but even if you were alone it's also the best thing for the ogryn selfishly

[buoyant maple]

skullcrusher is 8x the value of thunderous for team dmg assuming ur team runs weapons don't suck at unyielding ADMs

which, in havoc, is more than likely to be the case

[white valley]

Thunderous is still a significant damage boost, plus applies to the ogryn's bleed

Even with high adms it is a 10% damage boost, which sure is less impressive than skullcrusher but thunderous is up all the time on the boss

[buoyant maple]

it's less significant than most like to claim it is

[white valley]

And against crushers its wonderful

[marble crater]

Bad

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/shhh-shush-silence-nose-gif-17895433

[ripe obsidian]

I saw a PotS trauma staff last night. I cried.

[pale prairie]

Six plays every build with PotS

Says it is the secret of fire

[ripe obsidian]

Slander.

[steel flame]

At least pots isn't bugged to only work on soul blaze anymore

Only took them 6 months

[white valley]

Penetration of the soul is still a potential 5% damage increase, better than nothing kek

[thorn cedar]

closer to 4%

and like, barely 4%

[white valley]

Aye true enough

[ripe obsidian]

PotS is my new Quietude. I rage against this machine.

[pale prairie]

It’s good for Six

He needs a hobby

[ripe obsidian]

But every single random psyker in H40 games seems to run PotS

[white valley]

Just run pots + penetrating flames on inferno to burn crushers

[ripe obsidian]

Pls no

[thorn cedar]

thankfully i only rally around flawlessly universal talents

[pale prairie]

+20% rending sounds impressive!

It’s like more uncanny

[steel flame]

Pots infinite smite go brrrrr

[thorn cedar]

yep, it sure does. sound impressive.

[pale prairie]

PUT IT IN THE BUILD

GUIDE

[white valley]

Okay what talent to run instead of POTS for more damage

[thorn cedar]

literally anything else

[white valley]

Assume I already have all of them

[pale prairie]

You can either do math or read not both

[thorn cedar]

Vulnerable Minds

[white valley]

But I am greedy and want more

[white valley]

Got it already

[ripe obsidian]

I have builds in the guide. Check the pinssssss

[pale prairie]

Oh I hear Empyric Shock is super high damage

Channeled Force too

[white valley]

Nah fam, I already have

[ripe obsidian]

:(

[pale prairie]

[white valley]

And I mean this respectfully but I disagree with some of your takes such as about quietude

[thorn cedar]

hah take that six

we'll have to rename u to five you'll be negged down so hard

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/shouting-development-dozens-of-us-bald-speaking-gif-16881775

You’d think the quietude crowd would be able to do the thing they are named after

[white valley]

I like Quietude's consistency a lot, I vastly prefer it over Soulstealer for example

[ripe obsidian]

I don't say anything negative about Quietude.

I'm pretty sure I list it as good everywhere

[pale prairie]

That is certainly a take

[thorn cedar]

i mean in my build thats absolutely factual

[white valley]

I know soulstealer regens far more than quietude

[thorn cedar]

i am generating and quelling perils way more than i am making warp kills

[white valley]

But I'm not eating damage so often that I need soulstealer

And quietude is just, it works all the time

[ripe obsidian]

It's a matter of balance to me. There are loads of toughness over time nodes that have amazing uptime. Soulstealer is the only bursty one

[white valley]

Sure, that makes sense

I just prefer quietude is all

Not a dig at you

Just preference

[ripe obsidian]

I mean, that's fine. I don't hate Quietude anymore

[pale prairie]

If I had one more talent point

I would take it

[white valley]

If I had one more talent point I would choose pots again

[ripe obsidian]

These builds aren't meant to be the law of Psyking. They're more meant to be a guideline to help people understand what's worth doing. That's why I have the templates for most builds, so people can make their own choices

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/we-lost-him-charlie-hudson-hudson-and-rex-he-shook-us-off-lost-our-trail-gif-23973533

[white valley]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-warhammer-40k-warhammer-40k-psyker-gif-4777251650916725445

[wind spruce]

https://outplayed.tv/warhammer-40k-darktide/xmGb6G

@ripe obsidian

I'm gonna run without quietude and see how it feels, but this is part of my justifcation for it. Throw 4 assails and quell when you're 8s into scriers and you restore your full bar in 5s.
(no ghost, dream, peril reduction talents or additional quell speed)

[pale prairie]

Pretty sure at the top of the guides it says

“I am Six and I am king. These are the laws of the land.”

[white valley]

Maybe I should run the warp damage debuff talent

What's it called again

[pale prairie]

But SG is increasing toughness gen too

[thorn cedar]

It's actually got way more racially charged language but it's close enough.

[pale prairie]

Also for me that’s 5 sec in SG that I am not killing just holding R

[wind spruce]

ok fair, it restores 87.5% of your bar

lol

[ripe obsidian]

Scrier's Gaze is doing a non-insignificant portion of that

[thorn cedar]

that's on the slow end also

[wind spruce]

literally 12.5%

[thorn cedar]

do it again while taking damage with JaD and with Scriers at around 20~

dont forget warp ghost

[pale prairie]

3 tics of quietude

[strong gulch]

Empyric Shock?

[ripe obsidian]

I mean, 100% peril gained and quelled is 80% toughness regen without ghost. So it's gotta be doing at least 20% if you're getting and quelling a full bar.

[pale prairie]

Isn’t Scriers also providing peril for the quietude quelling? What does it look like just going from 80 or even full peril

Without SG

[ripe obsidian]

You caught me. I view you all as peasants and pawns for me to manipulate.

[wind spruce]

scriers restores 2.5% toughness per second. yes, its giving peril, but we're talking about quietude's utility in scriers builds.

[thorn cedar]

who fucken playin rn

[pale prairie]

Yeah but it’s about hating anyone who likes Seven. I dunno how racial that is

[marble crater]

Of course we hate Seven after what they did to Nein

[strong gulch]

I can do a round. No guarantee on good play. Muh brains are sus.

[pale prairie]

The video is 10 sec long and you are in SG the whole time? So isn’t that 25%? Is my math wrong?

[wind spruce]

no because we're at 0 toughness when i hop out of the fire

[thorn cedar]

lets gooooooo before tuesday updates hit

[wind spruce]

8 stacks of scriers to 13 stacks at the end. that's 5s.

[marble crater]

You have more than one brain? Whose did you steal?

[ripe obsidian]

Quietude is a fine pick. Use it if you like it. I think it's perfectly viable since it got buffed. I also feel that it's competing with other, better toughness over time nodes for most builds.

[strong gulch]

idk but htey smooooooth

[thorn cedar]

smoof brein

[ripe obsidian]

But I have Quietude marked as Good in every guide afaik. I'm not saying not to pick it

[strong gulch]

new psyker

send again

[proper osprey]

Quietude atm is awesome on any build

[thorn cedar]

new you say

[marble crater]

I will play with Quietude now just to spite Six

[plucky flax]

Quiet your atitude boi.

[strong gulch]

"smoof brein"

[wind spruce]

i know but im trying to make the case that its actually better than most of the other toughness nodes (atleast for scriers builds without ER etc)

[pale prairie]

Fair but again that’s action economy

[marble crater]

No u

[wind spruce]

the point of the video is an illustration of its strength not a suggestion of how it should actually be used

[pale prairie]

Yeah but if you don’t have BCoB it is an action tax to sit and hold R

[thorn cedar]

yeah i wouldnt just quell for a huge length of time like that ...
WITHOUT MIND IN MOTION

[proper osprey]

I still don’t understand the psyker skeleton build I see sometimes

[ripe obsidian]

For melee/gun builds, sure. Even still, I would debate picking Soulstealer for Assail if I am picking one of the two. Honestly not sure. Mettle, Warp Expenditure, SG, and DD all give great toughness regen over time. Quietude has more value for non-staff builds, absolutely.

[pale prairie]

If the argument is that it is better than other toughness nodes let’s talk real application not the perfect world of having the safety to hold R until max toughness again

[ripe obsidian]

Is it mine? D:

[proper osprey]

Maybe

[ripe obsidian]

Also, @proper osprey gimme your build links so I can put them in the guide

[proper osprey]

Guh

Mah builds

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/kms-shoot-me-belt-gif-14734478

[ripe obsidian]

Yes, I will attribute them to you

I want to compile a lot of guides from different players

Rather than have my opinions as the only thing in there

[proper osprey]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e81f1c9-3b63-4dc3-809b-9aee0aef4d51/evil-hatchetmancer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d5cc452-6030-42a4-afe1-2b54e0c4337c/terrible-inferno-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[ripe obsidian]

As is evident by the Quietude debate, not everyone agrees with me, and I want that documented so people can make informed choices

[proper osprey]

Inferno is the same as vb but I drop ee on vb

[pale prairie]

You’re wrong

[proper osprey]

Quietude is free passive toughness

[pale prairie]

Quietude never used to pull us apart like this

[proper osprey]

Very good on anything

[pale prairie]

😭

[ripe obsidian]

Your inferno build is like 2 points different from mine, so it probably isn't my build skeleton that so offends you.

Probably.

[proper osprey]

I will say the only thing I’ll argue about it taking kd on a staff build

Wasted points

[ripe obsidian]

Yes, it is passive toughness generation. It's good. But in H40, at the very least, I am so surrounded by enemies that I almost always have Mettle, Soulstealer, Souldrinker, and whatever else constantly going. I don't find a need for Quietude on top of those.

[plucky flax]

My inferno build does the biggest damage.

Clearly it's op

[ripe obsidian]

I don't use KD on my build

[wraith sphinx]

I agree

I believe that is the consensus tho

[ripe obsidian]

I think I mark KD as Good rather than Great on most staff builds, and mark the tax node before it as Preference. I also say Warp Ghost fills the role KD does, but without a tax point.

[proper osprey]

That’s understandable, you you gotta balance damage and survivability, atm psyker is the strongest he’s ever been

[wraith sphinx]

Yeah, unparalleled defensive potential rn

[ripe obsidian]

Yours is almost identical to mine, I think. I just take OwtW over JaD because the peril spikes throw me off.

I do think JaD is a stronger talent.

[cold ivy]

my two cents for inferno is that battle meditation gets more useful in higher havocs for spamming inferno nonstop without needing to quell (i'm not sure if doing quell cancel/single tick quell drops blaze away stacks)

[proper osprey]

In my opinion you can never have enough toughness

Id take it

[wraith sphinx]

I have already yapped about how you can basically eliminate chip damage

[proper osprey]

Jad is crazy

[plucky flax]

I'm just blaze away abuser.

Oh maybe I blew up earlier because I ran that.

[proper osprey]

I actually like it because it makes my peril high

[ripe obsidian]

Battle Meditation has more value on non-Shriek builds. I don't love it because it randomly drops my peril to 0% or does nothing for 20 seconds. Gambling.

[proper osprey]

Jad one owtw go well together

[ripe obsidian]

It is. It's very strong. It has also killed me.

Which is a me issue

[proper osprey]

Gotta learn it I believe in you

[ripe obsidian]

Slow reaction to peril spiking

[proper osprey]

[ripe obsidian]

I was using JaD in H40s until I blew myself up 2x

[cold ivy]

the more enemies there are, the smoother the curve (thanks to law of large numbers)!

[proper osprey]

I’m ngl I’ve never had a use for battle med

[ripe obsidian]

I do like JaD and Immaterial Focus together a lot. The peril spikes when taking damage mean guaranteed IF stun immunity when you get hurt. It's so good.

[proper osprey]

Beast mode

Real talk

Melee psyker atm is game breaking

[ripe obsidian]

My IF uptime dropped from like 20% to 10-15% when I moved from JaD to OwtW

[pale prairie]

It is funny when you realize you’ve taken damage in the mess of things and didn’t notice cause your stun immune

[white valley]

Blaze away was a mistake

[marsh badger]

but dont owtw + JaD also have synergy and you can take them together?

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, that happens a fair amount

[ripe obsidian]

I don't think they have any particular synergy beyond damage resist stacking with damage resist. But you can take them together and they're good.

[proper osprey]

I never use IF

[pale prairie]

One increases the other to a point

[cold ivy]

i run empyric resolve + battle meditation to keep flaming for basically forever without needing to quell, but if 1 tick quelling doesn't drop blaze away there's honestly not that much downside to quelling

[proper osprey]

If it was like twbs id nab it

[white valley]

Taking damage increases TDR technically

[cold ivy]

(also the stacks come back pretty fast)

[ripe obsidian]

I prefer taking JaD when I have Empyric Resolve. Without ER, I feel bleh and blow myself up

[ripe obsidian]

Ah, true

Fair point

[proper osprey]

All this talk make me wanna play psyker

[ripe obsidian]

I do think IF is less valuable without JaD.

[proper osprey]

[pale prairie]

Don’t

[white valley]

JaD + Quietude + OwtW is hilarious

You take damage which increases your TDR and generates some toughness back

https://tenor.com/view/senator-armstrong-nanomachines-son-gif-25954092

[proper osprey]

Even with id say it’s not worth, on melee or staff you’re not gonna be at that peril for long

[plucky flax]

https://tenor.com/view/one-peak-one-piece-its-so-peak-rayleigh-gif-18066990322494779748

[ripe obsidian]

I mean, I had consistent 20% uptime on it with JaD

That's pretty solid

[marsh badger]

it was a good point that the 20% is after you take damage so its when you want it

[proper osprey]

If you’re minmaxxing like that yeah

[plucky flax]

https://tenor.com/view/domain-expansion-war-crime-gojo-gif-17742119547380917515

[ripe obsidian]

This is my current Inferno build

[white valley]

Needs pots for more dps

[plucky flax]

You removed er? 😮

[proper osprey]

Yeah that’s good

I hate er so much

[ripe obsidian]

Yup. I might try JaD again instead of OwtW. Just gotta be careful not to explode my own head.

[wraith sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/yapping-yap-domain-expansion-gif-3020182389590808453

[proper osprey]

Leave mah Toughness alone!!!!!!!!

[marsh badger]

or you could use your IF point for MOAR DMG

[plucky flax]

I have quietude soulsteler souldrinker and mettle for infinite toughness in my build.

[ripe obsidian]

For my build, yeah. I played more without it and had the same results as you. 1 quell between most Shrieks. Sometimes 2.

[wraith sphinx]

TUFFER DAN YOU SHOUTY

[pale prairie]

Wildfire?

[ripe obsidian]

:(

[plucky flax]

I see you learned the way.

Unsanctioned way.

[ripe obsidian]

::((

[plucky flax]

Welcome to the black ship.

[ripe obsidian]

You're linked in the guide.

[proper osprey]

Wildfire is good

[ripe obsidian]

He's trolling me.

[proper osprey]

I used to be a hater

[white valley]

Wildfire slander will not be tolerated

[proper osprey]

Then I used it

[pale prairie]

I’ve always thought it was a might as well pick with fire

[wraith sphinx]

Wildfire good

[plucky flax]

Please read and remove the talent afterhttps://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1422637305008750843/image.png?ex=68e6a03c&is=68e54ebc&hm=aa674584c497d3221c0aae6da10bd5138f3c7732b73d6abe8464df6d4e2f385e&

[ripe obsidian]

Before the tree rework I was running games with and without Wildfire to quantify the impact. It was noticeable.

[proper osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-typing-keyboard-busy-gif-16053597

[wind spruce]

This is with dream https://outplayed.tv/warhammer-40k-darktide/Ek7wZ4

The exact time is 4.1s vs 5.6s in the previous video

(accidentally cut the last frame)

[pale prairie]

Who gave that zealot/taxer a typewriter?

[proper osprey]

Now there’s no reason to not take it

[proper osprey]

That’s me

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-9949949681918250704

[cold ivy]

i like the random free kills from wildfire when a poxwalker dies and spreads 1 stack of soulblaze to a specialist off screen, which triggers kinetic flayer

[pale prairie]

And PC

Little blooming flowers of soulblaze

[cold ivy]

it only happens every now and then but it feels like getting a freebie

[pale prairie]

Almost enough to warm 6’s heart

[proper osprey]

I wish some blitz modifers were built in

Well

Ig smites was

[ripe obsidian]

I love KF being guaranteed. Being able to LMB a dog and watch it explode is cathartic

[pale prairie]

Or even warp slice through a wall or floor

[ripe obsidian]

I replaced my heart with a pneumatic motor to be closer to the Machine God. If it warmed, it would imply that my cooling was insufficient

[proper osprey]

Tax axe , obscurus, and ds psyker make rotten armor tolerable

[pale prairie]

You would find that….vexing

[proper osprey]

If you’re going melee

[wind spruce]

debating these extremely minor differences in build strength is what i live for xD

[ripe obsidian]

But have you considered hiding behind your teammates instead?

[pale prairie]

WHAT?!? No way can I detect you enjoy this discourse……

[proper osprey]

My team usually sucks so I gotta step up

[pale prairie]

Ugh being forced to use DS

[proper osprey]

who here has solo play I need someone to test something for me

[ripe obsidian]

I can test it later if no one else does first

[pale prairie]

Ah that’s why you run pubs. You don’t want to kill your friends

[proper osprey]

Test the ds4 mobility dump, flak unyielding, riposte uncanny , with my melee build

With all buffs stacked

[ripe obsidian]

I cannot tell you how many times I have been in front of my team, dodge-sliding around corners, only to find the Biweekly Tertium Crushers' Society debating the finer points of smashing Psykers to paste. At which point I dodge slide very quickly the other direction

[pale prairie]

That’s not an axe though

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/mulan-fight-army-snow-gif-4704292

[ripe obsidian]

Against which enemy? Crusher? And on H40? Any particular modifiers?

[pale prairie]

Real life footage of six and his team. (He’s the dot closer to the crusher avalanche)

[proper osprey]

Tac axe could do with some attack speed for crushers and bosses

Actually not really

Ainz did his solo with a 10 attack speed tac axe

[proper osprey]

Hav40 crushers and bosses

[strong gulch]

@thorn cedar thanks for the games gtg

[ripe obsidian]

I think in the one game I won last night, I was climbing a ladder at one point, looked up, and saw a Crusher readying an overhead at the top. I cannot tell you how quickly I dropped back down and ran to my Ogryn for protection

[strong gulch]

the adhd was going

[wind spruce]

For what? Damage done with heavies? Time to kill?

[proper osprey]

Yeah

[pale prairie]

Smart sparkhead

[proper osprey]

I wanna see what this one dude who was crashing out was talking about

If you remember

[thorn cedar]

geegee

[ripe obsidian]

Just heavy spam or parry?

[thorn cedar]

i hugged many puppies that round

[ripe obsidian]

I do not recall this guy

[wraith sphinx]

I dont either

[wind spruce]

Are we just trying to see how hard the DS can hit?

[wraith sphinx]

The only psyker chat crashout I recall is the tanner dickrider

[proper osprey]

Yeah

[wraith sphinx]

LOL

[proper osprey]

Hold on it gets funnier

[wraith sphinx]

Classic

[plucky flax]

Sry it was me

[royal totem]

Tanner dickrider?

[wind spruce]

Havoc enemies only take reduced damage if they're affected by a modifier, right?

[proper osprey]

All this happened because I called him a goober

[wraith sphinx]

UnsanctionedBum

[wind spruce]

There's not like a background damage resist built into the havoc level?

[royal totem]

...i need help.

[proper osprey]

It’s ok you’ll have to kiss me tho

[wraith sphinx]

LOOOOOL

[royal totem]

Is the dog bleed talent bad for arb?

[plucky flax]

I'd gladly kiss a serval.

[proper osprey]

I don’t use it

[plucky flax]

I think it's good.

[wraith sphinx]

Dude whats with darktide having these opiniom crusaders

[thorn cedar]

now imagine a world where we can afford solidity (that world totally exists it just means i wouldnt be able to use Mind in Motion so it doesnt exist)

[royal totem]

Can i ask why?

[proper osprey]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f4a08a3-60ed-4cb2-9a64-f979b7b9f3d1/terrible-arby-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button try this

[plucky flax]

Free aoe damage when it pounces on a blob of enemies.

And upkeep bleed stack on monster.

[buoyant maple]

it's ok

[proper osprey]

Hai path

[thorn cedar]

take it in the psyk and practice siccing the dog on a target and then onto a new one such that the bleed kills them before they can get up and move again

in the case of snipers thats literally right away

[plucky flax]

Did it need a nerf? I dunno maybe maybe not. It doesn't really matter either way.

[thorn cedar]

as soon as the sniper is pounced you can send your dog to something new

theyre dead by bleed

[plucky flax]

I just pick it. Xd

[thorn cedar]

yeah it got touched down from 8 stacks to 6

which isnt insignificant

but it still achieves its intended purpose

[plucky flax]

Should double the stacks to 16 tbh.

[thorn cedar]

if you were to pick between it or voltaic only then voltaic wins

but i like both

[plucky flax]

DotTide.

Make the dog shock on pounce aoe as well.

It's so over.

[thorn cedar]

and give it a jetpack

[white valley]

Make inferno staff apply burn as well as soulblaze

[thorn cedar]

so he can be like zyooom arf and bite heretics from the skies and shit

[royal totem]

Wish arb had more bleed

[marble crater]

@strong gulch

[plucky flax]

tru

[jovial juniper]

They use mostly blunt weapons

If anything they should have more brittleness

[thorn cedar]

or more blunts

[jovial juniper]

Because broken bones

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/i'll-be-blunt-with-you-blunt-gif-17728238619641319735

[royal totem]

Internal bleeding. Case closed.

[jovial juniper]

Internal Bleed wouldn't be external

[wraith sphinx]

ok I'm fucking gonna do it

[jovial juniper]

[wraith sphinx]

I'm gonna...

[jovial juniper]

Do it

Just do it

[wraith sphinx]

play havoc with randoms

[jovial juniper]

Make your dreams come true

[wraith sphinx]

again

[jovial juniper]

Nothing is impossible

[plucky flax]

Good luck fren.

[jovial juniper]

Just

DO IT

[plucky flax]

Play gazer smite.

[royal totem]

Rem will carry

[plucky flax]

I heard that's best psyker build for havoc.

[thorn cedar]

i heard you can keep it up forever

how can you lose

[plucky flax]

Seems broken.

I bet it does 2 mil damage too.

[wraith sphinx]

you need mind in motion for that though

a lot of people make this big mistake

[thorn cedar]

its true

mind in motion is very important when you are locked into a single animation at a stand still

[proper osprey]

I had one of those yesterday

[thorn cedar]

to uh ...

[plucky flax]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1423980971233116232/image.png?ex=68e63d9f&is=68e4ec1f&hm=3f49178d2d256d2132495e462d5391ba1a29e6434961988130afeabdda8f6ccc&

[thorn cedar]

... look it works

[proper osprey]

They died 6 times

[plucky flax]

Don't mind me reforging some furry male.

[wraith sphinx]

I played havoc this morning with a friend and the first join request we got was a bubble shield smyker called Harken with stimm profile frame and dedicated adept title

he died like 3 times

[thorn cedar]

15 males at once

[jovial juniper]

Yeah I was like

What the hell

[plucky flax]

[jovial juniper]

What the hellio

[proper osprey]

Beast mode

[jovial juniper]

What the helliante

[proper osprey]

What does this mean

[plucky flax]

It means whatever you want it to mean.

Just ignore the purple text.

That has no meaning.