psyker-class

[pale prairie]

And again SOULDRINKER AND IFR

Let’s have 4 Psykers then!

Also I’ll switch if necessary

[royal totem]

Im flexible ish. I play a pretty good arb and a bit worse ogryn.

[pale prairie]

Yeah but you wanna climb as psyker

[hushed egret]

those 16 stacks dont really go anywhere else with wildfire either. often enemies will be out of range or above 4 stacks so lol. and it's a downside to kill and elite dont intend because I'd rather kill an elite or special that's threatening me than one on its way. plus, if I cant see it, the KF might not even kill it to trigger PC anyway depending on what the enemy in question is. plus, all the less stacks you need to apply were already so little that it didnt really deal much meaningful damage before you got there and didnt speed up your burn application by any meaningful degree

and yes a half pump applies less stacks, but more than enough to exceed 4 before wildfire will matter, even getting close to 16 if concentrated, and it's not like it takes more than an extra second or two to finish the job with another pump, assuming KF hasnt triggered to do the remaining stacks for you. you could even apply the remaing missing stacks with lmb, increasing not only the stacks but also the damage and inflicting greater stagger to the whole of the group

which, btw, means a lot more in your havic scenario than wildfire does. the stacks last so long and the enemies take so long to kill that wildfire might not even trigger before you get to a better position. but while moving to a better position you'll likely be inclined to use lmb to generate some stagger against anything below a Crusher, which with ES will help you kill their increased health pools more quickly, unlike wildfire which will only apply to the chaff behind them that you'll be igniting anyway

[marble crater]

Why are there so many walls here

[strong gulch]

In a game rn.

[hushed egret]

you're already killing so many burning enemies that both are unaffected by wildfire when using flame staff. souldrinker already has easy 100% uptime before wildfire can trigger and IFR will reach max stacks before you move in to kill enemies ignited by wildfire alone

[royal totem]

Can i dm u a question?

[strong gulch]

sure

[royal totem]

Ty ty

[pale prairie]

They can gain more stacks when above 4 stacks. Here is the talent description.

BB KF got buffed and does one shot most enemies now. (Even if it wings enemies it will do the same to the one right in front of you and that enemy probably is maxed out on soulblaze already! Cause it’s in front of you getting RMB pumps)

LMB pumps only apply one stacks and again anytime you would be doing that more than once for space you would be doing RMB

[pale prairie]

Not if you are shrieking every 6.5 seconds

That’s the whole point

[pale prairie]

And you don’t have to kill IFR enemies yourself

So wildfire means getting charges back

[hushed egret]

I know KF got buffed. not gonna one shot a Mauler or Ogryn that hasnt been touched. you dont really get any control over KF anyways with flame staff, so honestly a bit of a moot arguement on both our sides. and rmb doesnt do nearly the stagger lmb does so doing lmb more than one, depending on the situation, is reasonable enough. and I'm not saying to use ut to build up stacks, I know it's only one per

[pale prairie]

Blaze away stacks

[hushed egret]

if you're shrieking that often, you should probably use a different ability or keystone lol. flame staff doesnt build up peril all that quickly and doesnt need help applying soulblaze

[pale prairie]

Lmao ask most of the pros like agent and six

It’s what you do with shriek in havoc 40

[hushed egret]

oh right I forgot about that

[pale prairie]

Shriek stacks GO ON TOP OF THE INFERNO LImit

[hushed egret]

ye I know

[pale prairie]

Soooo

More stacks good

[ripe obsidian]

Gotta say, Voidstrike feels pretty bad with all the enemy HP increases

[hushed egret]

wildfire doesnt really help that case though, especially with fire shriek. all the enemies that would have been burned by wildfire but not the staff would not often be getting killed before you got to them in havoc, and with fire shriek that's extra true

[hushed egret]

really does. made one of my favorite builds feel a lot worse

[pale prairie]

Because wildfire means more chances to proc IFR and get warp charges back to shriek more

I said this

[hushed egret]

yes but the enemies affected by wildfire only are beyond the fight, rarely going to die before you get there, and likely to be burned by shriek anyway

[ripe obsidian]

Wildfire means faster scaling, and in turn faster kill times on trash mobs. Is quite good.

[pale prairie]

But you have three teammates

That could

Be

Next

To

Them

[hushed egret]

not really for flame staff. the scaling is at best a second faster

[pale prairie]

Faster than Empyric shock

[ripe obsidian]

And is the only really viable option for Inferno. Empyric Shock pushes you into using LMB too much, which really hurts your damage output on anything not a boss.

[ripe obsidian]

A second faster is significant

[hushed egret]

yeah but they're likely next to you, not the wildfired enemies, and if they arent next to you but near enemies that coukd be wildfired, fire shrieking in their direction is a good idea anyway

[pale prairie]

But it’s about maximizing chances of getting all your bonuses. Empyric shock doesn’t synergise like that

Look you seem to really love LMB on inferno staff so keep doing you

I really don’t want to type more only to have you hold onto your same opinions

[hushed egret]

it doesnt increase your chances by a meaningful amount though is my whole point

[pale prairie]

Just remember wildfire doesn’t work the way you said with “those enemies with above 4 stacks don’t get more stacks from wildfire”

[hushed egret]

dont use it that much actually, but when I have no reason to lmb or need some space yeah. comes in handy

[pale prairie]

Some increase is greater than the zero of ES

[strong gulch]

When wildfire spreads to a shotgunner pack no one sees yet, gets KFed, and SB snowballs so the whole pack dies before it has a chance to become a problem.

When wildfire gets into the backrooms and starts proccing SB things, so you just get random snipers dying.

[hushed egret]

yes but ES increases your damage output per already burning target, which is an increase wildfire doesnt have. it's a tradeoff. I'm not saying ES is better, but wildfire isnt way better or anything

[ripe obsidian]

It doesn't, though. It's only enemies you have LMB'd.

[pale prairie]

It’s a debuff not a self buff

You stick it on the one enemy you LMB that’s it

[hushed egret]

with how many burning elites are in front of you, rare day, and achieves the same but worse as fire shriek which doesnt rely nearly as much on chance and can easily reach further faster

[ripe obsidian]

And in almost every case, using RMB is more damage and AoE in the same amount of time compared with using LMB to get the debuff

[pale prairie]

He forgot about blaze away stacks

[hushed egret]

it hits everything

[pale prairie]

No

It’s the one enemy you hit with LmB

[ripe obsidian]

LMB AoE is a lot smaller than it looks

[strong gulch]

I would have both. But also bubble exists.

[hushed egret]

only for KF

[pale prairie]

It also means your RMB can stagger?

So less reason to LmB

[hushed egret]

flame staff and shield is nice. and also solves that backline soulblaze problem since you can just shut them down or approach them for free

[hushed egret]

I meant I only forgot about it for KF

since it isnt actually the staff I forgot it would affect KF

[pale prairie]

Doesn’t change what I just said

[strong gulch]

Yeah it is. Annoyingly so.

[pale prairie]

That trapper clip was funny

[strong gulch]

SO MEAN TBH

[sturdy reef]

ES will remain bad until we get beam staff

[marble crater]

Did you guys ever mix apple juice with sparkling water?

[sturdy reef]

[ripe obsidian]

I think the main reason people dislike Wildfire is because it's hard to impossible to quantify the benefit

[pale prairie]

It’s because reading is hard too

[ripe obsidian]

One day.

Shotgun LMB, beam RMB.

[sturdy reef]

I can only dream

[marble crater]

@deft stump what's the problem?

[ripe obsidian]

I would love if the beam staff had like 10 cleave or something and could cut through enemies like the laser in Wolfenstein

That is the best weapon in any game ever made, if for no other reason than the audio

[marble crater]

Wildfire has killed stray hounds with KF for me before, is good

[pale prairie]

No LMB the hound with ES

[pale prairie]

Sounds like less sweet cider

[marble crater]

I don't have that button, so I can't

[marble crater]

Try it and report back, after that mix Coke and Fanta

[deft stump]

Why would you add water to it unless it's apple concentrate?

[marble crater]

Because it tastes amazing?

[deft stump]

You like watered down drinks?

[marble crater]

Just try it

[ripe obsidian]

Is apple juice too spicy?

[marble crater]

Apple juice and sparkling water, trust

[deft stump]

I can just buy carbonated apple drinks...

[marble crater]

Yeah, probably the same thing

[deft stump]

And you know I hate gassy drinks.

[strong gulch]

Apple juice tastes too close to vomit for me. (at the a lot of the stuff in the US is like that to me)

It gives me heartburn too.

[marble crater]

United States of Vomit

[strong gulch]

Applesauce is similar but less commonly so (for me).

[thorn cedar]

Man our store is running so much better without a manager.

[strong gulch]

lmao

[deft stump]

Don't need a manager if everyone does what they need to do.

[thorn cedar]

We just do whatever we need and don't have to justify it to some fucking dumbass who never leaves his desk.

They're rerouting a marathon to start right in front of our store, so that's 4,000 people we weren't expecting on otherwise our slowest morning.

We ring up four people, we staff them, end of tribulations.

Don't have to convince our manager and the manager doesn't have to convince a district manager.

I'll probably still be quitting soon.

We won't be without a manager forever.

If it's another outside hire I'm out right then and there. If it's someone from in the company I'll see where it goes.

[marble crater]

Like that Office episode

[strong gulch]

Neat. My shriek didn't go through the stairs but a trapper's net did.

[deft stump]

Fair and balanced.

[royal totem]

Wut

[kind jay]

meanwhile on the heretic discord: "some loyalist yelled at me but i was wearing earplugs and shot them with my warp-powered net haha nerd"

[marble crater]

[bright pebble]

I continue to not understand why people shit on the electrostaff so much. As long as the rest of your kit is geared around crowd control, it’s not a bad option to still have single target damage

[thorn cedar]

It's boring as goddamn fuck.

[bright pebble]

Like if I’m running assail and using the greatsword, I’m going to bring in the electrostaff. If I’m running brain burster, then sure I’ll bring in the inferno staff

[thorn cedar]

It's an issue that all the staves have.

[solid pond]

Fanatic with seer
"Ya dinnae have to flinch so when I come near. I'm not going to harm ye.

"Really? ... That's not what you said yesterday"

"That was in the heat of the moment. It does nae count.

" "I'll flay ye alive , Accursed freak" you said. It was very hurtful."

"Yes, yes, yes. I'm sorry, all right?"

[bright pebble]

Couldn’t that argument be made for all weapons though

All melee weapons can be reduced to “hit enemy with light and/or heavy”

[thorn cedar]

If we did a deep dive on what we would consider a dynamic weapon, we would still discover that EK sits right at the bottom rung.

Along with Infernus.

[bright pebble]

Ranged to “hold mouse 1 and up to you if you want to hold mouse 2 as well”

[thorn cedar]

It's not a question of efficacy. Almost everyone has used these staffs before. Most stop because it's one single loop of attacks with slight variations to resume that same loop at all times.

Left click until you have space to right click. That's it.

[bright pebble]

I know it’s not a good argument, I’m just saying you could technically make it, even if it’s in bad faith

[patent mango]

all the staves are really boring right now

v2 had some cooler staves tbh

and v2 weapons are usually less in depth

[thorn cedar]

Compare that to a gun, where you at least have to manage the ammo in your managazine vs. the ammo you have in reserve, have some sense of target prioritization, can do reload cancels, can actually aim and headshot with it, are not artificially range limited (not that I'd EVER suggest taking the range limits off the staffs, to be clear)

[patent mango]

well guns are also like not great depth

[lusty hearth]

What is the current secondary staff? If someone already has flame staff.

voidstrike? another flame?

[thorn cedar]

Because yeah, most of the guns aren't exactly stunning examples of depth. But the staffs fall below that.

[bright pebble]

Maybe just, don’t play psyker then?

[patent mango]

the gunplay feels a little lacking compared to melee

[thorn cedar]

Nah, Gunker fucks hard.

[patent mango]

nah greatsword is awesome

and has a lot to it

[bright pebble]

I enjoy the greatsword too

I was just asking why people specifically shit on the electrostaff

[royal totem]

I just play staves

[thorn cedar]

Psyker has a lot going for it, staffs included. But I still think the staffs are just droll sleepy shit and I think EK tops the charts in that respect.

[modest perch]

cus trauma n fire exist

[thorn cedar]

You barely even aim it.

[royal totem]

I wanna be space wizard

[thorn cedar]

I need way more going on in a weapon moveset.

[patent mango]

bolt staff and coruscation staff are both way cooler and in depth than the darktide staves

[strong gulch]

If there's a purg / inferno on the team and you're min maxxing, Rending flurry VB is the second staff to take.

[patent mango]

the beam staff also has some fun stuff going on

[patent mango]

yeah i want a staff thats actually worth maining

[bright pebble]

The way I play psyker is I try to cover a couple of roles, psyker’s versatility is good for smoothing out the kinks in the team comp

[patent mango]

greatsword has SO much to it

[thorn cedar]

Genuinely get rid of staff bonk and make it a block.

[bright pebble]

Like greatsword and assail make for good horde clear

[modest perch]

nah make the staff bonks good n do interesting stuff

[bright pebble]

What do the staff bonks even do, I’m curious

[thorn cedar]

They'll never make the bonk primary weapon worthy.

So at least let me be defensive with it in a way that isn't shit.

All it has to do is block.

[bright pebble]

Like why would I use it over my primary

[modest perch]

they stagger stuff

[patent mango]

surge staff could stack electrocute on enemies and on using special it'd explode them based on stacks

that'd be fun

[thorn cedar]

Sometimes.

[modest perch]

it can make a slug puke someone out

[strong gulch]

Staff bonk is slow, has little damage, and A LOT of cleave.

idk why

[bright pebble]

Wack

[thorn cedar]

Like 22 base cleave or something hilarious

[modest perch]

blazing spirit/charged strike staff bonk meta ??

[strong gulch]

You can knock a scab rager on its ass with staff bonk

[thorn cedar]

It has the wonkiest fucking animation and I can't seem to actually deliberately control which animation it will play.

It's trying to give you a defensive option that isn't casting the staff, but guess what? It's shit.

So just let me hold wepspecial and have it block.

[strong gulch]

staff bonk and skissues lol https://youtu.be/Sz5q2npmCOY

no brains

just bonk

[patent mango]

how would staff block do anything

[strong gulch]

I want parry shotgun staff.

[patent mango]

it saves you 1 q press

[strong gulch]

Been asking for so long

[thorn cedar]

Look I'll be real, it wouldn't even be for me.

[patent mango]

i just dont think its for anyone

[thorn cedar]

Just like them adding reload movement loss to Mind in Motion made me go "Wait, reloading slows you down?" because I just anim cancel and do slides inbetween all the reload anims.

But it would be better than the staff bonk, because it would work

It would be simple and reliable and it would keep you from having to step off the staff to stay defensive which is really all we're trying to achieve.

[patent mango]

i feel like no1 would use it and we'd have the same issue

[thorn cedar]

It's less "This is brilliant and should happen" and more "What we have currently is shit and this is better"

[modest perch]

bro is not bonkmaxxing

[thorn cedar]

Besides, the "Who would even use it?" question applies so much harder to staff bonking, lmao

[royal totem]

I hate FGS

[patent mango]

switching from no1 uses it to like 2 people use it isnt worth it dev time wise

[modest perch]

https://tenor.com/view/wrong-drumpf-trump-stupid-gif-6220235

[royal totem]

And nothing will change my mind

[thorn cedar]

Doesn't matter anyway because staffs suck.

[patent mango]

it should be something unique instead that your melee doesnt do

like pushes just invalidate e very single gun bash special

[royal totem]

Fgs makes me fall asleep

[patent mango]

lock in

[thorn cedar]

Not at all actually.

Right off the top, laspee push for Psyker is dope. We need more of that kind of shit.

Second, some bonks are zero stamina so they're better for single target.

[patent mango]

i never use that at all and laspistol is my most used gun

[thorn cedar]

Third, some still end up costing less stamina than your actual weapon push.

[royal totem]

Its so slow i fall asleep

[patent mango]

so eepy

[thorn cedar]

None have the 360 effect of an actual push but if you're picking out one deliberate target then the bonk is fine.

[patent mango]

gun bashes only have hype moments and aura tbh

they're kinda cool to style on a heretic

but thats about it

[thorn cedar]

Bonking a burster away and then dakka without ever swapping

[modest perch]

nah theres a few gun bashes that are quite useful

[thorn cedar]

Meanwhile staffs operate with the presumption of being an almost permanent backliner and you'll probably have the staff in hand for like 80%+ of the actual combat.

So seriously just give it a regular fucken block that flows.

[patent mango]

it needs to do something new or its just gonna be hype moments and aura and no actual use

[thorn cedar]

Hell give it a force push too

[royal totem]

A force block that makes enemy explode! Kek

[strong gulch]

FS adds force push to staves and somehow the thing that makes it hard to see while blocking is just always up on both staves and forve melees.

[sturdy reef]

give it a parry special

[strong gulch]

See

I'm not the only one

parry shotgun staff when

[dusk void]

Fuck this Havoc bullshit modifiers

[strong gulch]

uhhhh

[royal totem]

?

[pale prairie]

Oh damn the 100% DR

That’s fucking dumb. I would have thought someone would have done some simple fucking math

[narrow herald]

I don't see garden so we good

[royal totem]

Dont think FS does math ehen throwing modifiers into havoc pool

[swift stag]

Quesiton for the Bubble Pyskers out there. Do you generally
A. Place bubbles to progress
B. Save your bubble for yourself
C. Place Bubbles for only team mates

Im more a of A. unless its on a difficulty less than malice.

[strong gulch]

yes

[modest perch]

do 110% dmg

[strong gulch]

all of them

depends on what the situatuion calls for

[thorn cedar]

it's almost always A

bubbles are better placed on the enemy than on your teammates

[royal totem]

Mostly a

[swift stag]

Its usually A unless theres a Nurgle

just so i can block its goop

[pale prairie]

A

But I never use bubble

💅

[thorn cedar]

wall supremacy

[swift stag]

I tried non-bubble runs but even if I am playing another class I miss bubble

[brazen rampart]

Place bubbles where you want your team to go.

[swift stag]

Ogryn dont need bubble tho he is bubble

[swift stag]

my logic, I am not herding cats

[brazen rampart]

You basically corral your team with bubble.

[thorn cedar]

That's kinda the issue tho, players aren't learning to push up and fall back at their own correct tempo since they're constantly relying on bubble to dictate placement and pace.

There's really no way to fuck up placing a bubble. There are better placements but none are outright bad unless you somehow cast it out of bounds.

[swift stag]

Only thing i struggle with is on a Vet with mainly because I dont like shooty shooty clases, but Zealot and Ogryn especially I can usually gauge without a bubble.

[brazen rampart]

Players that don't learn to play without bubble need to figure it out, then.

I'm out here playing knife db gunker and I'm constantly on the edge of my seat because a singular shooter can cook me alive.

[thorn cedar]

Nah they'll just kick you from your Havoc squad and then in the same breath complain that party finder takes too long.

[swift stag]

Although I will say my playstyle changes when bubble is present. Since I can rely on a way to block projectiles

If not im just super aggrssive and using cover more

[brazen rampart]

Oh were talking havoc? Ig I'd be afraid of blue stim shooters, then?

[thorn cedar]

One blue shooter is probably enough to destroy bubble HP

[brazen rampart]

That's the fun part of using bubble, you don't use it to block projectiles. You drop it on the offending enemies and it deletes their projectiles.

Counterintuitive, ik, but that's the "proper" usage of bubble.

[swift stag]

When enemies are in my bubble I will decimate them all

my bubble is my sancutary

I try also tend to not premature my bubble unless its like that starting bridge and theres 30 snipers and plama rifles or something.

but im weird cause I use head pop as well to deal with that situation

in dark mode I use bubble just for light tho xD

[royal totem]

I ...bubble on cd

Unless theres a big reason not to at that moment

[fading escarp]

time to unload 12 shells from a shotgun and maybe kill 2 mobs

[thorn cedar]

wow, i havent had mcdonalds in like, five years or longer

this burger sucks

oh well, free is a good price

[royal totem]

I really like mcdonalds just not their burgers

[swift stag]

i mean double 1/4lb is fine but the Big mac be slackin

[thorn cedar]

ye this is the 1/4lbs

[swift stag]

Double Big mac is fire tho when they offer it

[thorn cedar]

goddamn automod

[royal totem]

Im just a big fan of their hash browns

[thorn cedar]

GODDAMN IT AUTOMOD

[pale prairie]

Breakfast is good and their coffee is cheap

[swift stag]

I use to be then I realized that Taco Bell somehow has the best breakfasts

[pale prairie]

Fries also

[thorn cedar]

I WANNA EXPLAIN HOW TASTY THIS BURGER IS

AND ONLY SEX TERMS CAN APPLY

[pale prairie]

Hmmm

[thorn cedar]

WHY MUST YOU CENSOR ME

[strong gulch]

I don't mind McDs burgers, but I just don't see them as burgers. It's like they're burgers on a technicality.

[pale prairie]

We need an intervention for exploits

[thorn cedar]

big agree

[strong gulch]

It's been years since I had one tho

[pale prairie]

What mind in motion does to a man

[thorn cedar]

anyway i can pay $10 for an incredibly mid or even bad mcdonalds burger, or i can walk down the street to pay $15 for a burger that actually wrecks me emotionally because it's just that fucking delicious

[pale prairie]

Ironically mind in motion is one of the only use cases I see for quietude

[thorn cedar]

i will give credit that mcdonalds does not hide the fact that it is fast food anymore

whereas my shit-ass company Starbucks still pretends we are the "premiere quality coffee house in the world"

which is just a laughable claim in all respects

[brazen rampart]

I think if only those terms "apply" then you might need to discover grass.

[thorn cedar]

you need to try this burger

[pale prairie]

Picture of burger tears when?

[thorn cedar]

then you'd understand

it took me six months to get a coworker off his ass to come try that burger with me after work cause he kept waving it off and being like oh it cant be that good

[pale prairie]

Like hotdogs are technically taco?

[thorn cedar]

and on his first bite his first words were "holy shit i couldve been eating this all year"

[modest perch]

nah hotdogs are technically a sandwich

as are tacos

GET IT RIGHT

[strong gulch]

Social experiment to see how well the public can be duped into buying burnt coffee.

[pale prairie]

When did you change your name I only now noticed lmao

[thorn cedar]

like the day after the patch i think

[modest perch]

starbucks has always been nasty idk how ppl consume that slop

[thorn cedar]

i no longer need to be an Apologist for Razor-Jaw because we all agree it's good

[thorn cedar]

it's great if you want 60g of sugar with your coffee

[strong gulch]

is it taco? not sandwich?

[modest perch]

same with mcds. i dont consider it fast food cus i dont even consider it food

[thorn cedar]

nah mcd's is genuinely fast food

like it is set up for speed and function, they get that shit out in record time despite the volume of sales they get

[pale prairie]

Public forum decides I guess

[thorn cedar]

and i respect that even if i dont care for it

they know their niche

starbucks meanwhile is splitting itself three ways and refuses to accept reality so we're
a) a shitty coffee shop
b) have shit coffee
c) cant even make the shit fast

but sure, "world's best coffee house", why not

[spice oar]

What’s the best build/strategy for suicide bomber psyker

[thorn cedar]

i think ainz has the answers u seek

[swift stag]

I tried it I couldn't find one

[spice oar]

How do I contact this ainz guys build

I must add to my collection

[thorn cedar]

i know some people were fucking around with glitched suicide psyker shit

was it anyone else

something about having five wounds

[pale prairie]

He posts builds to gameslantern under “LordAinz”

[thorn cedar]

idk if he posted that one up publicly since it's using bugs

[pale prairie]

That was Ainz and his friends. Hamdolsun I think was there

Yeah it is inconsistent but if you can get a sliver of health to appear in a wound segment it makes you corruption immune

[zinc phoenix]

They don’t sell coffee, they sell milkshakes.

[pale prairie]

Salted caramel Frappuccino

[zinc phoenix]

Right. That’s a milkshake not a coffee

[pale prairie]

I tried it out and there must be something specific you do to get the immunity state

I got it a couple times but it’s just memes

[strong gulch]

I walk away from a game with a hunger meter. I returned to my character almost dead. Turns out just pounding down some flowers doesn't have great hunger mitigation. lmao

[buoyant maple]

Enough sugar to get a third type of diabetes named after you

[pale prairie]

Horrendous honestly. Working for them turned me off of anything but plain coffees or refreshers from them

[buoyant maple]

Something is really fucked up when boba tea looks comparatively healthy

lol

[thorn cedar]

The protein launch has been hilarious.

[pale prairie]

Oh now that sounds gross

[thorn cedar]

A lot of health conscious soccer mom types (and others) coming in and ask me if the protein drinks are healthy.

And I don't pull punches.

"It's exactly as healthy as it used to be, but now it has protein."

[royal totem]

What the hell is with the protein foam thing

[thorn cedar]

"So no?"
"No."

[pale prairie]

Lmao

https://tenor.com/view/wwe-vince-mc-mahon-company-man-entrance-gif-13927756

[thorn cedar]

Whey protein is dirt cheap. That's about it.

[royal totem]

Gross

[pale prairie]

It’s a buzz word

[thorn cedar]

Yeah but also it's cheap.

We probably pay $2 per box and we make $3,000 off each box.

[fading escarp]

so
you can use bells to teleport

wow

[pale prairie]

Mmmmm bet that protein is really healthy and not contaminated at all

[thorn cedar]

Nah it's legit protein.

Whatever that's worth.

[fading escarp]

bosses dead in 6 min

[thorn cedar]

Again, it's the cheapest possible protein supplement, and it's a protein supplement that has fallen wildly out of favour over the years but is a byproduct of almost all dairy production so there is fucking HEAPS of the stuff just sitting around.

[pale prairie]

That’s the thing is that whey protein supplement companies are not exactly mmmmmmmm ensuring purity/quality

[royal totem]

Wut?

[thorn cedar]

So we probably bought it all for cents on the pound and now we charge you $1.50~ or so to put 15g of it in a drink.

[pale prairie]

Cause they teleported

[thorn cedar]

Still a much better business move than the fucking uh

Oleato olive oil shit.

[pale prairie]

Hahahahaha

Oh yeah

[royal totem]

Didnt even know you can teleport

[thorn cedar]

Which I still think was actually a pretty novel idea for coffee but that is absolutely not our fucking market lmao

[pale prairie]

If you’ve done it before and can get everyone to ring the bell (agree) then yes

Speed runs of twins

Some people do it for mat farming

[royal totem]

Ahhh

[pale prairie]

Man nemui is gonna have to learn this game all over again

Get rusty

https://tenor.com/view/retirement-gif-8226747

[royal totem]

More like ive never done the bell thing

Nobody ever told me it exists

[pale prairie]

Oh I’ve moved on to the week away touching grass and being outside

[verbal thistle]

need hard mode?

[zinc phoenix]

I am a big fan of cappuccinos from actual coffee shops, highly recommend 😂

[pale prairie]

Yeah I like to try mom and pops

[royal totem]

apparently. But im not home.

[pale prairie]

Oh this shit again lmao

[verbal thistle]

dog had stagger immunity because it was jumping at my teammate

[thorn cedar]

also i gotta say, the 30% discount for being a partner makes the prices at starbucks almost acceptable

[pale prairie]

Okay this was the inconsistency I was feeling in my recreation of broken CW

[verbal thistle]

the peril of the warp build is still good

[thorn cedar]

so once im out that's really it

[pale prairie]

For sure

We had a policy when within a window of your shift start or end you could make whatever you want

[hushed egret]

hey has anyone noticed that Kinetic Flayer seems to do more damage with some attacks than others, with to me seemingly no correlation to the damage dealt by the triggering attack? if I trigger it with something like soulblaze it deals 2300-2400 to an auric Crusher, but if I hit them with a dueling sword light attack it does over 3000 (with the light attack not even doing 100 damage)

[pale prairie]

Did some 6 shot espressos with a little chocolate syrup for opens sometimes

[thorn cedar]

yea thats not been a thing

i mean i do that anyway because fuck you, but they dont allow it

[pale prairie]

You have uncanny on DS?

[fading escarp]

so
i picked random flame build

why is the mission is so easy now

[hushed egret]

yeah but even without it it deals more than it should

[royal totem]

Compared to what?

[pale prairie]

What’s the perks on DS

[hushed egret]

oh right the perks

[pale prairie]

Cause we are tanker

And more damage

[fading escarp]

brain burst still pain to use tho

[fading escarp]

anything i used before

range is a bit limited tho

[thorn cedar]

@pale prairie
some things never change

seven months ago man

i really should just quit at this point

[fading escarp]

the hardest mission i usually never completed before
the one with repairing smelter
on auric
i only died once because of a burster

[brazen merlin]

Anyone know what is a good talent build for assail now?

[royal totem]

Oh that mission

[verbal thistle]

27 points

[thorn cedar]

shit like this, five extra points to spend

[pale prairie]

Oooooph. But yeah ghost kitchens seems like the obvious answer

[verbal thistle]

with some flex

[pale prairie]

Whoooooa no EP?

[verbal thistle]

I was mid making it

[thorn cedar]

except everyone that tries a ghost kitchen immeidately discovers that Uber/DD/Skip/etc. are all horribly unprofitable by themselves and close down lmao

[verbal thistle]

assail nodes are preference

[thorn cedar]

so basically customers subsidize the cost of Uber for lazy fucks at home

and we will continue to do it until it 'disrupts the market' because that's where we are

[verbal thistle]

27 points as well

@brazen merlin

[pale prairie]

Maybe instead drive thru/doordash specific. Like black rock coffee and then specifically coffee shops with no drive thru

[verbal thistle]

oops

26*

remove assail node

[thorn cedar]

yea you could go ghost/mobile pickup/drivethru combinations or whatever but the ultimate point remains -- delivery services don't make any money for the actual restaurant

this has always been true

I had a dude try to rip into me over the phone because we fucked up his order (we really did and I did apologize on that front since it was a complete goofball error) but he played the "I tipped you this amount and paid this much for it!" and it's like nah dude

you paid ubereats that much

and you tipped ubereats that much

you didnt pay me anything

and it's their problem to solve, not ours, so have a good night

but yeah wow it turns out it's really hard to run a successful business through a service provider that demands a 30% cut upfront on all your fucking sales

whodathunk

it's the same reason deliveries have no labour metric at starbucks

if we get 100 deliveries in a day every single day it earns us zero labour for the next week

as far as the company is concerned that shit just magically appears in a sealed bag to be handed off

because if they actually started to track that metric they wouldnt be able to hide the reality that we lose money on every single order

even after the price mark ups, the delivery fee, the tip, the long-term contract savings, etc., we lose money

[brazen merlin]

Are the assail nodes bad?

And do assail hits count as crits if they hit the head?

[verbal thistle]

its preference, you get more cleave from the cleave increase from peril talent, and the refresh is only useful if you spam them alot

[thorn cedar]

The Assail nodes aren't bad they're just kinda unnecessary

[verbal thistle]

assail can hit headshots and crit

[prime elk]

https://tenor.com/view/wrong-drumpf-trump-stupid-gif-6220235

spam more

[thorn cedar]

Crit shards have a different colour.

[verbal thistle]

but hitting the head does not trigger a crit by itself

[thorn cedar]

And headshots are not guaranteed

[brazen merlin]

And how is blaze force sword vs the blaze force greatsword?

[verbal thistle]

how are you comparing?

single target damage? Horde clear? Mobility? Utility?

[brazen merlin]

Utility. I understand that the greatsword will do more damage.

[verbal thistle]

then the 1 handed

imo

[thorn cedar]

Deimosgang

[verbal thistle]

more mobility and its faster to pull out block for deflector

plus the mutant 1 tap with obscurus

[fading escarp]

damn voidblast one spikes peril

[royal totem]

Which attack on obscurus 1 taps

[verbal thistle]

special

[royal totem]

And does it even on h40

[verbal thistle]

yes

[royal totem]

Ty

[fading escarp]

i keep nuking myself with it xd

[royal totem]

Need shriek clearly

[pale prairie]

Grab ER

[fading escarp]

fair enough

[kind jay]

why do so many people not pick up med/ammo crates or ammo bags or... just anything really

my boggled is minded

[zealous wing]

crates, no fuckin idea

ammo pickups, either they didnt see them, or dont need them

i tend to avoid the big bags unless im actually low on ammo, out of habit to not waste it

[kind jay]

thats the thing it happens often when people are down to their last few shots

and i voice it like "yo ammo?" and they just sorta run off rofl

[zealous wing]

then they're just dumbasses, or dont really care

ive even seen ogryns bypass ammo when they're low, and they just melee the rest of the map

perhaps CIVI practice

[strong gulch]

I've had a lot of people just run past ammo pick ups and continuously complain about being out of ammo.

It wasn't a meme or joke.

[kind jay]

its pretty nutty

[prime elk]

pickups are a crutch

[kind jay]

true

[zealous wing]

people like this are mega annoying

like, why are you screaming at us for ammo, go fucking FIND some

(i had an ammo crate, but if you think i'm dropping it in the elevator right before the ammo-giving chests in the next room, youre insane)

oh speaking of

theres also been a noticable increase in people putting medcrates down right before medicae stations. some dude last night didnt even put it in the elevator (but, i was on martyrdom so, i didnt actually mind, but it was unfair to the other two)

[patent mango]

i have the opposite problem and i forget to pick up ammo even if people ping it

i just forget my gun needs ammo ig LOL

too busy stabbing........

[zealous wing]

yeah but i presume you dont spam "i need ammo" ping in chat

[patent mango]

never

i only notice im out when i cant snipe a specialist

[zealous wing]

if someone pings it once, ill help them find ammo.

once is the fucking limit

[thorn cedar]

unless we drop down to like two people or i have to clutch, i usually dont need to pick up any ammo at all from mission start to finish

[patent mango]

yeah i usually dont either

[thorn cedar]

i still will but like i wont run out if i dont

[wind spruce]

All game every game

[zealous wing]

generally same, its why i like low ammo guns

[patent mango]

ig thats why its been so weird lately

plasma gunners eating my ammo so im actually using my gun for once

[wind spruce]

Love spamming that shid

[patent mango]

i just spam i need help

its funny

heelp!! heelp!! -seer

[wind spruce]

Everyone can just tell that from my aura

No need to spam it

[patent mango]

it IS funny to spam i need ammo when im running a staff though

[zealous wing]

the issue is, ive seen someone spam i need healing, while a dog had them. like bro i see you i am trying to get to you just stop or ill leave you to die

[zealous wing]

well not SPAM but yeah

[thorn cedar]

i love when they spam the little dot

to their position when theyre dogged or whatever

i just spam it right back in the same spot

[zealous wing]

had an inferno user do it in the elevator like 3/4 through the mission, out of nowhere

[wind spruce]

Yes spam

[thorn cedar]

and then keep spamming it w/o freeing them

[zealous wing]

spamming comms is what got "for the vacuum capsule" removed from nexus

[patent mango]

no that jsut breaks TOS or whatever

since it affects other players games

[wind spruce]

I'll mark my location twice as soon as I get disabled but I always thank after getting rescued

[zealous wing]

the issue WAS the spamming

[wind spruce]

Considerably ups my average rescurr time

[patent mango]

idk if they'd allow it even with a CD

not sure

[zealous wing]

even FTVC has a cooldown still

[patent mango]

is that the one with YES and NO

[zealous wing]

cant SPAM it but like, every 5s is plenty

for the emperor has yes and no also,

[royal totem]

I dunno how to ping or say thanks lmao

[patent mango]

does base game still not have yes and no voicelines

[zealous wing]

this one just lets me reiterate healing items

[patent mango]

i dont even know anymore

[thorn cedar]

it was also breaking other conversation trees is the other thing

[zealous wing]

yes plays when you tag an already tagged enemy, and no plays when someone fucks with a daemonhost

[thorn cedar]

so you'd have goobers out there wondering why they never hear their rejects banter anymore but cant fucken stop going "NO!" at the very first quibble of conversation with their mod

[patent mango]

i meant on the wheel

[zealous wing]

no

[patent mango]

oof

imagine how sad it'd be if i couldnt say NO to the voicelines going on

[zealous wing]

i genuinely want a "youre welcome" option

yes works sometimes, for loner at least

"of course" fits well

[thorn cedar]

thats what they were doing

and it breaks convo trees

or did

[patent mango]

idk this one is allowed apparently

since its been up for years on nexus

[zealous wing]

FTE ?

[patent mango]

yea

[zealous wing]

yeah the whole vacuum capsule thing was out of hand

[patent mango]

i dont think it breaks voicelines

[zealous wing]

i forget which youtuber, but one of them was targetting new players, making them die, then pretending to clutch low difficulties while spamming vacuum capsule

among other things i imagine

[patent mango]

scary

[royal totem]

Sounds kinda shitty

[thorn cedar]

nah the tree

the lines would still play fine

you know like right now the glitch in the mourningstar

you jump out of your menu and ALL the convos that were happening in the background blow into your ears at the same time

the 'lines' are all fine, the problem is theyre overlapped and its like schizophrenia

[patent mango]

this game just needs voicelines to not explode when something happens

[thorn cedar]

one of those mods, or both, idk which, would just break the convo trees

your ogryn would start to talk to the veteran

[zealous wing]

they need to undo what they did in the hotfix

[patent mango]

me listening to cool voiceline then POXBURSSTEEER!!!! and its gone forever

[thorn cedar]

the veteran would punch "NO!" on his mod to be ha-ha funny

[zealous wing]

esc to stop the voice lines was MUCH better

[thorn cedar]

the convo tree doesnt actually end

now it doesnt know what to do

no more banter plays

[kind jay]

it'd be cool if we had an option to pick dialogue priority. like if i pick "dialogue most important" itll completely stop all callouts/killspree until the lines play out. or vice versa and so on

[patent mango]

most awesome dialogue ever vs evil and intimidating enemy callout

[zealous wing]

honestly, just a toggle to turn it off would be good

most people interrupt it because they dont want it,

[kind jay]

yeah should be an option too

[strong gulch]

Fat red name

[silver echo]

I recently tried out penetrating flames on purg staff since someone here was talking it up, and gotta say it's just not worth it vs warp nexus

losing out on being able to take perfect timing and mettle just makes it a lot worse

and empathic

still find it funny that after all the tree changes they still managed to make the non-fire shriek talent even worse

[thorn cedar]

fucking hell i cannot stand kayex's introduction for the train mission

[silver echo]

even if they didn't make it a locking node it I don't know if it would be worth the point imo

[thorn cedar]

mother fucker you are talking for over one minute to introduce a mission that only lasts for ten

and yeah i dont think you can ever really drop nexus

even if youre running scriers id rather just have both

[radiant frigate]

A WEAPON OF WAR IT WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE
BUT A WEAPON OF WAR IT NOW IS

[thorn cedar]

its 50 seconds with kayex vs. 25 seconds with morrow

its an insane discrepency

and kayex says less with more, it's ridiculous

and i feel crazy to be crazy about this but like, this was a mission they designed with the express purpose of being jump-in-jump-out as fast as possible

and they frontloaded it with a fucking unskippable 50 second dialogue intro, the longest of any mission in the game

it is not unlikely that you will have spent a double-digit % of time just listening to that intro by mission complete

[zealous wing]

dont worry i also really fucking hate it

[kind jay]

theres a really good mod for that if youre on pc.

[thorn cedar]

but does it get the mission started faster

[kind jay]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/544

yeah sometimes

loading in progress i've definitely noticed a drop in load times

[ripe obsidian]

Penetrating flames is a team buff, not a personal one. Inferno and Soulblaze both have insane ADMs against all but crushers already

[zealous wing]

see for specifically the kayex briefing, i'd want it gone, otherwise, i like knowing what im dropping into, which i've more memorised the audio for than the names, due to how often i tab out during the briefings

i know theres a mod for like, visual briefing

i just dunno if its worth it though to have 2 mods to remove things im fine with, but then also one thing i hate

[wind spruce]

Is anyone NOT running wrath on FGS in havoc?

[lusty hearth]

What perks should I run on a Void blast?

I would guess 2 of flak cara unyield?

[zealous wing]

i use deflector, but im not in high havoc yet, waiting on nemui to come back from vacation to verify highhavoc ability

[royal totem]

+crit on voidblast...clearly

[radiant frigate]

crit flak nexus blazing

[royal totem]

Vacation too long 🙁 miss my comp already

[zealous wing]

:(

[royal totem]

Dont forget to scamper-scurry while using voidblast!

[thorn cedar]

channel your rat

[zealous wing]

i thought that was for voidstrike

[pale prairie]

Unstable

Like me

[kind jay]

i fixed plasma gunners

[radiant frigate]

#freeclad

[wind spruce]

yeah but unstable + what

and how do you find dealing with hordes without wrath

[pale prairie]

Holy shit fat do you play other classes?

[kind jay]

NOPE LOL

[pale prairie]

I do shred

[pale prairie]

Not gonna lie I respect it

I only grabbed Ogryn recently to play with other siblings

[pale prairie]

I find it pretty fine. The sword has a lotta cleave already and with warpsplitting and warp ghost my peril doesn’t drop below 50%

[fierce crest]

ive been an assail main since vt1

[pale prairie]

If shred didn’t exist I would use wrath. But I like having the occasional super bonk to 2 hit kill a crusher

[prime elk]

Shred Riposte gang rise up

[kind jay]

i started with ogryn and played the others to 30 but just didnt like them like psyker

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/based-kneel-dark-souls-gif-24182729

[sturdy reef]

@ripe obsidian if u wanna climb I have a relatively easy H40

[sturdy reef]

https://tenor.com/view/sss-laser-blast-gif-12584944

[wind spruce]

it does not have a lot of cleave base

thats the issue

[pale prairie]

It’s not nothing is what I am saying

[silver echo]

cleave damage isn't cleave

[crisp ether]

Fgs cleave is actually innately kinda mid.

Not the worst. But also not as good as you'd think it should be.

[wind spruce]

it hits 3 bruisers iirc

[silver echo]

personally I run wrath + unstable

[pale prairie]

Again I haven’t experienced feeling like I am being limited by hordes. I also have the warp special and the fact that mk 6 has angled sweeps means it’s harder for me to hit more than like 3 enemies

I value more crit chance for the bonking the single targets not having extra poxwalker killing

[silver echo]

it's fine without wrath cause getting fewer hits but more kills can work out with the special

[crisp ether]

I mean that's fine. But it doesn't change the pure numbers. Fgs genuinely is not the best horde clearer if you're going purely by the moveset, without the force slash.

[silver echo]

on a melee psyker I use unstable + shred

[crisp ether]

Thing is, force slash is insanely powerful so it just kinda makes up for that

[pale prairie]

Yes

[patent mango]

meee

[silver echo]

wrath does get better in havoc thanks to the more hitmass tho

[pale prairie]

It’s a good blessing. I just find havoc’s main problem is the hordes of armor and ragers

And taking advantage of the high crits on the weapon is worth more to me

[patent mango]

i dont think hordes increased in hp

but elites did so i want dmg

[silver echo]

yea the FGS only has 6.5 cleave on lights and 8 cleave on the 1 sweeping heavy the weapon gets

amaul with the 12 cleave lights man

[pale prairie]

Is that affected by unstable power

[patent mango]

yes

ig they defo expect you to use warp splitting

[silver echo]

100% since FGS released the same time as those talents

[patent mango]

wasnt force gs 1 update later

[silver echo]

I am too lazy to check now

but I feel like it was the same time

I wonder if warp splitting is worth trying to fit into my surg staff m1 build

if only the baby orbs had just a tiny bit more base cleave

[pale prairie]

It helps voidstrike but I can’t be sure that helps with the baby grapes

[silver echo]

balls have 0.25 cleave base and a poxwalker is 0.375 so it will let me cleave trash more

only thing is that it's not enough to cleave the real scab and dreg trash

[pale prairie]

Maybe a cleave buff is what the non inferno staffs need

Voidstrike certainly needs it

[sturdy reef]

FGS cleave is only lowish since psyker can get much more cleave and cuz of the slash

[patent mango]

maybe they could actually do cool stuff

[silver echo]

they should unnerf the true strike nerf to voidstrike where the hits only count for 1

[silver echo]

guy named +75% cleave on push

[pale prairie]

I miss my grapes multiplying as they fly through the horde

[patent mango]

instead of surge just electrocuting 1 guy

and having a default m1

lol

[pale prairie]

Time was you could do havoc 40 with voidstrike 😭

[silver echo]

no please don't take my surge m1

the double ball spam so tasty

[patent mango]

buh i forgor people use that

[pale prairie]

This guy loves abusing his mouse

[patent mango]

and its entirely unrelated to the entire electrokinetic part of teh electrokinetic staff

[silver echo]

still good even without qc anymore at least on auric

[pale prairie]

There needs to be more electricity in the tree

[silver echo]

nah my ass is 100% using autoswing and autofire I legit cannot play the game for more than like 3 matches a week without them

[patent mango]

its insane for them to expect people to click once to shoot every individual laspistol shot

[silver echo]

game gives me tendonitis otherwise

huge part of why I didn't get into VT2 more and why I want them to give every weapon a braindead moveset mark

[zealous wing]

the fact they dont even have a hold to fire on weapons like that is annoying

[silver echo]

yea the lasguns and the staves being semi auto are laughable tbh

[zealous wing]

you cant rapid fire normally anyway, so just, make it hold to fire at the fastest rate they have it allow

or make it a toggle in the settings

like, they have aim assist

why not fire assist

[silver echo]

give it a few more years we finally got dodge counter can't have everything now

[sturdy reef]

the dodge counter looks nice at least

I remember launch UI

[patent mango]

funny to see zomboid mod lists getting like 20+ mods becoming redundant in the latest update

then dt is lucky to get 1 qol thing

[silver echo]

ok yea warp splitting is not worth on m1 balls since it won't pen stuff with 0.5 hitmass since it's equal

if only they had like 0.4 cleave base

at least ball spam makes penetration of the souls not a trap node

since it gets the value vs flak manaic, unyielding, and carapace

[jovial juniper]

The thinnest enemy is 1.25

💀

[bright summit]

Does it

[narrow herald]

what is the infamous scriers smite build? 🤔

[silver echo]

did that become infamous? I was so far ahead of the curve on that one

[pale prairie]

"He's proud of warcrimes"

[silver echo]

people tried to tell me shriek was as good as scriers for uptime but no shot it is

[narrow herald]

the uptime i dont think is the problem

im just curious if its warp siphon or EP 🤔

[silver echo]

m1 balls do 0.75 on flak & maniac and 0.6 vs unyielding base

so you're getting full value from the talent on most enemies

unless the in game damage breakdown screen is straight up lying which I wouldn't be surprised if it did

[sturdy reef]

EP

[silver echo]

yea you need EP to do any sort of damage at all

[zealous wing]

next time i see someone brag about smite doing more damage in havoc than purg, im gonna ask them for killcount comparison

and then im going to drag them to a red+purple havoc whenever i can, and see how much damage vs kills they get then

[marsh badger]

I haven't tried the SG version yet but the shriek ep version lets you maximize your EP charges by dumping peril mid smite

and its really only good for killing poxwalker hordes

[zealous wing]

"good"

[marsh badger]

its legitimately good at killing poxwalker hordes

[patent mango]

the rejects could sneeze and obliterate a poxwalker horde by this point

[zealous wing]

thats exactly what a psyker shriek does

[patent mango]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-warhammer-40k-grenade-truth-nuke-gif-6248133608324632914

[marsh badger]

it gets less ok at killing things the more HP they have

[zealous wing]

thats... usually how it works, yes

[marsh badger]

but you can pair EP smite with stuff that doesn't have good horde clear like EK or VS, its totally doable even w/ bubble

just not optimal unless you really want the CC for some reason

[zealous wing]

if you have 2 singletarget weapons and nothing with moderate hordeclear, smite shouldnt be used as a crutch excuse for it

smite has its uses, for freezing armour blobs, protecting someone who's rescuing someone else or doing a task, and knocking things over

spamming it all match is not skill, nor fun for teammates, nor do i even see how its fun for the user

literally holding LMB and W

and SOMETIMES pressing F

its not a game at that point its a walking sim

[marsh badger]

sure you can do all those things and kill poxwalker hordes, its part of the kit but its not the only part of it by a long shot

if you're not running EP w/ smite youre just trolling

or not using smite at all

[zealous wing]

"unending smite" certainly seems like thats the ONLY shit youre doing, is spamming smite and only smite

people are trying so hard to make smite meta

[marsh badger]

its a viable change of pace but its not meta

[zealous wing]

there are certainly people who believe it is

[marsh badger]

if you spend any time inspecting people's builds on party finder there's plenty of "this does not make any sense" builds out there for high havoc

[wispy bay]

There are quite a number of off meta builds that work for different play style.

In many cases, inspecting people to pick up for high havoc is kind of stupid. People can change the loadout with a click of the mouse.

[static vessel]

Can anyone link their inferno staff build

I wanna play w it

[ripe obsidian]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/11Av6T7DJRkm78M3csiZec6p7-cHXOWiKyjpOJ-FWV3g/edit?tab=t.0

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1004447866250613048/1295449409160478781/chiquichico-ezgif.com-instagif.gif

I still need to add EK builds

Can try to do that tonight

[wispy bay]

EK builds is not much different than before.

My current fun one

EP because I remember it used to make KF stronger, but I don't if it is still the case. Again, functional fun.

[marsh badger]

EK is the best staff for LMB ball spam because of the crit affix which is ~15% extra crit at 80% iirc, but you can build it RMB (flurry/nexus) w/ WCs or LMB (Surge/nexus or transfer peril) w/ DD or you can pair either w/ EP smite.

[royal totem]

EK LMB makes my brain go nyoooooooooooooom

[ripe obsidian]

21% crit, plus some crit damage, which matters a lot less

11 more event captains to kill. Argh.

[zealous wing]

oof

struggling to get numbers or just, annoying and can only take event in small doses?

[ripe obsidian]

I only started it last night

[zealous wing]

oof

somethings bugged with my game now

[ripe obsidian]

Tyranids?

[zealous wing]

i select a build, go back in, and i have no build selected

lemme show

maybe you can help figure out why

it JUST started doing this, and yes i restarted the game

deleting the builds didnt work

[sinful perch]

Is perilously combustion worth it at all with the inferno staff or is it just kinda mid

[zealous wing]

is more fire per fire worth it?

(yes, i would say PC is worth it)

[prime elk]

Mandatory on any staffker build

Mid on gunker builds

[zealous wing]

mid on gunker yes, but fun, so still worth, if you have a point to spare somehow

[calm lagoon]

Anything that let's you stack up free soulblaze with no cap is great for soul blaze staff builds

[sinful perch]

I'm ngl I thought it would be redundant since you're already hosing everyone down with soulblaze, but I forgot that different sources have their own individual caps

[calm lagoon]

Personally I like it as an alternative too the damage boost on crit one whenever im not building up DOTs in my psyker builds

[prime elk]

And SB has a high stack cap anyway

[royal totem]

i can' tremember which one perilous combustion is >.<

i recall it being good and nothing else

[sinful perch]

Spreads 3 things of soulblaze to nearby enemies from killed elites

[royal totem]

ah got it

[zealous wing]

oh shit they buffed zealots blades

well fuck me no more combat shotty i guess

[royal totem]

today i looked at how much damage stacks of soulfire does.

and it's crazy'

[royal totem]

zealots blades? the throwing ones or?

[zealous wing]

yeah SB is underappreciated by the unknowing

yeah

im out here being the zealot i wish i'd had with me as a psyker o7

[royal totem]

what's really crazy is how much of an increase each stack is from 1-11 stacks

[calm lagoon]

Trying too find combat shotgun builds where it isn't redundant is a pain nowadays, it will never be a good sniper like ranged tool, it's outdone on bleed, it's outdone in stagger, it's special ammo isn't useful, it's a shame because I really like it too

[sinful perch]

Also does anyone know how perilous combustion works, is it like wildfire where it distributes those 3 stacks as one per nearby enemy or does every enemy in range get 3 stacks

[royal totem]

i feel it's not perfect but it still does an okay job even if it takes like 2 shots

[calm lagoon]

If they gave it powderburn I could see it being a fun semi auto alternative to your standard suppression builds

[royal totem]

i believe it's every enemy gets 3 stacks but i will let somebody smarter confirm

<---big dumb psyker

[calm lagoon]

Every enemy gets 3 I think

Cus with wildfire it specifies

And I've seen it light entire hordes up so probably not only 3 stacks distributed

[sinful perch]

That's actually pretty decent then ngl, can it proc itself too? Like there's a shit ton of shotgunners and I kill one will the soulblaze from PB snowball and keep itself proccing as it kills them?

[royal totem]

please please please not the wildfire discussion again T.T

[calm lagoon]

I don't think so tho it wouldn't be hard too test

[zealous wing]

it does wonders for trappers mid combat, but since knives are buffed now, yeaaaahhhhh

now i gotta find a new ranged

maybe revolver for specifically out of range snipers and such

unsure

[prime elk]

Wdym combat shotty is really good

[zealous wing]

possibly boltgun or bistol for the AOE for dog saves a floor above

[prime elk]

Though less useful with tknife zealot

[sinful perch]

Oh wait PC is ass apparently it won't proc if you kill enemies with soulblaze DOT, really bad if you're using inferno staff 😭

[zealous wing]

... heh?

[prime elk]

That is not right

[zealous wing]

where did you read this

[prime elk]

It does proc on SB kill

[sinful perch]

Like on 4 different reddit posts trying to Google how it works

[zealous wing]

how long ago

[prime elk]

It didn’t use to proc on SB kill

So prob old info

[sinful perch]

6 months to a year, anything more current it recommended just had nothing about how it works

[calm lagoon]

It's made redundant by being outclassed in every role it has in every class it's available on

[prime elk]

You can test it in the psyk very easily

[sinful perch]

Sucks ass darktide doesn't have a good wiki for info

[zealous wing]

thats why we're here

[prime elk]

Not true for Agri CS

Which is the only CS you need anyways

[calm lagoon]

I don't know yalls acronyms very well what's Agri CS mean?

[prime elk]

Agri combat shotgun?

[calm lagoon]

Ohh ok the mark

[calm lagoon]

I don't see how it's not

[prime elk]

big tube, fast reload, very high damage, powerful special

high rate of fire

what's the issue exactly?

[calm lagoon]

Fast reload isn't an issue in most major ranged builds also eh it's not the greatest, high damage is something every build does and this doesn't really have the armour penetration with the damage and in bossing it's always playing second fiddle too bolter, and powerful special is outdone by bolt pistol, revolver, now the vigilant auto gun and the blades which were the go to anyways before they changed the skill trees

[prime elk]

this is in OLD vet

before it got massively buffed

[prime elk]

it's better than bistol at being an actual gun

bistol is more of a glorified stat stick half the time

revolver is powerful but has a way smaller ammo pool/mag

[calm lagoon]

I feel like I'd get more value out of revolver or bolter in terms of bossing, or plasma gun if we're talking vet tho personally I don't use plasma

[prime elk]

vigil is good yes, though not exactly the same niche

[calm lagoon]

If your playing vet ammo shouldn't be an issue

[prime elk]

ammo is still a consideration for havoc

[calm lagoon]

Just throwing it up as another option for special, I gotta shout out niche where I see it

[prime elk]

the point is, agri CS is not weak

in fact, it's very good

[wispy bay]

With revolver, reloading is much worse, you dont have the strong initial burst like Cshotgun.

[prime elk]

you can use it as a main weapon on vet, and it also excels as a sidearm

[calm lagoon]

With revolver vet you shouldn't reload ever

[prime elk]

with WS yeah

but if you have to fire more than one shot per proc

[wispy bay]

But only 1 shot.

[prime elk]

you're going to need to reload

sooner or later

[calm lagoon]

And it's a powerful shot

[prime elk]

agri doesn't have as much damage per shot, but has like twice the mag size

[calm lagoon]

And it's easy too reproc

[prime elk]

and damage isn't that much worse on most targets

[wispy bay]

Fun thing, the fan revolver has more dps than the high damage one.

[prime elk]

not to mention

[calm lagoon]

Unless your fighting a boss one on one then you'll always have weapon specialist ready

[prime elk]

revolver cannot stagger crushers and open bulwarks in a single shot

and also has waaaay worse boss dps unless you use the gimped ass cowboyvolver

[calm lagoon]

And if you are fighting it one on one then who cares about damage you can kill it with ease

[wispy bay]

By the time you empty the 5 shots, I can put out 10 shots of the other.

[calm lagoon]

I mained vet before the crusher buff yet as far as I remember it basically one hit both anyways

[calm lagoon]

I won't take slander on the fan the hammer revolver it's fun as hell in psyker builds

[zealous wing]

damn they fucked up the new bistol cosmetics. no trinkets if you want a skin for it

[calm lagoon]

Non meta gun psyker builds my beloved

[ripe obsidian]

I need to add to the guide that Voidstrike is suffering with the enemy HP increases. It's so hard to get one-shots on anything.

[prime elk]

Revolver isn’t staggering crushers and bulwarks

You can’t open bulwark shields with revolver for example

You can with a single slug shot on agri

[calm lagoon]

Does it still one hit on weak spot hit?

[prime elk]

Revolver on vet can do it with Exec stance build

And a bunch of buffs

Not practical

[calm lagoon]

Damn can you not do it with WS shout any more?

[prime elk]

Maybe but you’d gimp your build

Not worth it

[calm lagoon]

Eh I'll still try for the love of the cowboy

[prime elk]

Oh I was taking about Zarona

Cowboy revolver just forget it

[calm lagoon]

I was also referring to the zarona

You either get too be Clint Eastwood or Buster Scruggs I'm happy with either

[wispy bay]

Agrip revolver usually only needs 1 more shot to kill vs zarona, but shoot faster.

The "1 power shot" is not that big of a deal when you use WS.

[royal totem]

i never really understood how to efficiently use WS

[calm lagoon]

Arbite Point Blank Agrip Revolver build with terminus warrant and taking every "damage boosted after X" Node I can get my hands on seems stupid yet fun

[calm lagoon]

Pick up the weapon swap speed perk, run a big damage weapon that gets a lot off of a crit (revolver,plasma,bolt pistol ect) and a melee weapon that profits off of attack speed (dueling sword, dagger, tac axe ect) and use your ranged as a big burst of damage onto any target you please while focusing on your melee

Comboes great with shout and shredder due too the stagger allowing you too farm WS stacks

And it also makes reloading useless with its additional perks

[royal totem]

..........

i might actually enjoy vet with that build

it might actually make my brain go fast enough

[wispy bay]

Agrip with hand cannon and salvo can kill anything in 5 rounds.

[calm lagoon]

Oh yeah it's great, I basically can't play it anymore now that I take ADHD meds

[royal totem]

I have ADHD and autism

[calm lagoon]

You'll like that build

[royal totem]

and they refuse to prescribe me meds

😄

[prime elk]

WS is insane

Give it a try

[calm lagoon]

Marksmans focus and weapon specialist are misleading you think you should use marksmans focus as a semi auto big damage chunker and weapon specialist as the rapid fire one just from a glance and the aesthetic but it's basically the opposite. Recon lasgun marksman focus shreds and weapon specialist basically requires you too use big chunky damage guns

[prime elk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1416510241931264150/1F06A61.MP4?ex=68e2caf7&is=68e17977&hm=90f832690dbeb5c3ca1a41cb172bc3476b3ae42a4cf3c79938dc43be9ce7932b&

WS lets you do stupid shit like this

[prime elk]

ok you should not be using recon las with marksmans focus

recon las has terrible finesse values

and guess what MMF primarily buffs?

finesse

[royal totem]

if anybody is curious why, long story short in my area there is only like 1-2 ADHD diagnose people for adults. so the wait time is over a year. and involves multiple tests so between each test is another like half a year so by the time you're done.........

[calm lagoon]

Fairr probably run like, autogun or vigilant autogun now that it's been buffed

[prime elk]

those are very good options with MMF yeah

[calm lagoon]

So you live in the UK got it,,,,,

[royal totem]

US actually

though it's not too different in a way. across the world ADHD diagnosing and treatment is mostly focused on kids and not adults so adults kinda out of luck

[upbeat kestrel]

eh my frien uses mmf with heaviest recon las to good success

[calm lagoon]

Our healthcare system is like heaven, takes 80 years too get there and you'll die before you even check in

[calm lagoon]

Infantry lasgun may also fuck with it

[royal totem]

but at least you don't bankrupt yourself doing it i suppose lmao.

[royal totem]

i joke that i do whatever my penances tell me to do

[wispy bay]

The one thing that fire slow but get some use out of MMF is Helbore.

The damage is over the roof.

[calm lagoon]

Obviously the most meta build is infiltrate krak with the submachine gun suppression loadout, the ranged backfire perk and MMF duhh

[calm lagoon]

It's unironically a good way too find niche stuff that's good

[royal totem]

i am going to disappoint many vet mains but i hate the power falchion

[nocturne dust]

I think the people who like it are that way because it's not the power sword

[calm lagoon]

I like the look of it, and I enjoy horde clear combos that aren't basic

[nocturne dust]

Only the most basic combos for me. Anything beyond light spam or heavy spam is way too complicated

[calm lagoon]

Nahh I love learning weapon comboes

[royal totem]

anything beyond left click is too hard for me

[wispy bay]

It is to the top, but still good. Better than the majority of melee.

[nocturne dust]

and also I'm too lazy to make macros for the combos like I need to cuz my fingers suck, lol

[royal totem]

which is why i play inferno staff

[calm lagoon]

Heavy eviscerator and the great sword on psyker, both the weird combo mark

[wispy bay]

And it doesn't hit like a wet sponge when unpowered.

[prime elk]

Macros let you just hold down one button tho 🤔

[nocturne dust]

Eviscerator Psyker?

[nocturne dust]

Well, yes, but as I said I'm too lazy to make the macro

[calm lagoon]

I meant the great sword on psyker as it's own individual term cus I forgot what it's actually called

[nocturne dust]

and also to swap them around for each weapon

that sounds like a pain

[zealous wing]

force greatsword

[calm lagoon]

Thanks

[prime elk]

Consider trying skitarius

The setup is pretty simple

[calm lagoon]

I wish there was a weapon with a good mix of horde clear and single target comboes that weren't basic which also had movement tech and maybe an interesting special, that's probably my dream melee weapon

[zealous wing]

[nocturne dust]

[zealous wing]

define not basic

[prime elk]

Crusher?

[calm lagoon]

My dream ranged is just, psyker staff which is like a mini gun

[calm lagoon]

Does crusher have movement tech?

[prime elk]

Relic blade maybe too

[calm lagoon]

Also ehhh

[prime elk]

Oh movement tech

Then nah

[zealous wing]

taxe?

[nocturne dust]

You've described knife

[prime elk]

Maybe knife mk6

[strong gulch]

Skitarius has been on my list forever.

The mental burden to do it has been too much for now.

[zealous wing]

[prime elk]

It’s soooo good

[calm lagoon]

Heavy eviscerator, that chain sword mark I think it's the IV, I'd say force sword

[zealous wing]

to me, FGS mark 6 is basic, but can be complex with how you use it

[calm lagoon]

It's the closest weapon too it yet eh single target comboes feel lacking and im not the biggest fan of it's perks outside of the obvious zealot stuff