psyker-class

[strong gulch]

"We are not getting a cat and I'm never gonna pet it" cut to that person babying the cat

[pale prairie]

Classic dad move

[zealous wing]

"what do you do with a bernie sanders" by the cog is dead

its a parody of drunken sailor, done by a steampunk band

the video that goes with it is also gold

its from that time where everyone was photoshopping bernie sanders with the mittens in everything

she actually shows up more than that

[pale prairie]

Lmao that’s crazy

[pale prairie]

Probably but I don’t remember from my playthrough before h the campaign fix

[zealous wing]

shes the reject who nods to us at the very start, and she shows up in the murder cutscene, and probably others im forgetting because sick

which, to a veteran, zealot, ogryn, that wouldnt matter, but if you play psyker thats very odd behaviour

also i've yet again been reminded truelvl means absolutely nothing

i, as a lvl 20 zealot, outdamaged a lvl 400+ zealot

and i dont play zealot

like at all

relic blade tho mightve been what ive been needing to make it more tolerable

[strong gulch]

I bet your zealot can easily outdamage mine.

[zealous wing]

i still hate the way the relic blade moves tho, might try the other mark

hmmmm

first lights being singletarget is annoying

but seems pushattack heavy loop is the hordeclear

so its just a massive taxe

getting the stab is a hassle though but it does feel less floaty

[pale prairie]

Gonna be honest other than the talents being different the gameplay is probably similar to gunker so I am not surprised

You got the fundamentals

[wispy bay]

If the zealot goes with Chorus, they would do less damage than the typical Fotf zealot.

[zealous wing]

i did do chorus

they had FotF

[fading galleon]

I like this mark

Those empowered lights hit very hard

Good for quickly dispatching lesser elites, and it's a fun rotation of LLHH

You can do HHLHL for hordes iirc

[zealous wing]

i might test it out more at some point, but i think for now habit is my friend, so i can do l1 l2 bc with the other mark

but it definitely FELT better

it felt similar to the other FGS mark tbh

[zealous wing]

the only thing they outdid me on was boss damage, because another zealot staggered it, then i staggered it, and the one i outdamaged was doing the actual stabbing. i cant compare to the other zeal tho because very shortly after i may or may not have accidentally lit a barrel and sent them flying off a cliff

i felt so bad 😂

[ripe obsidian]

oh jeez, I have 3 days to do the event

[cosmic cobalt]

you can also do this on mkx

another reason why mk2 is ass

[clever blade]

Does pyrokinetic indulgence work with soulfire from psyker

[plucky flax]

Sry was me

[zealous wing]

i fuckin knew it

[plucky flax]

The mark with the upper cut is the best

I think it's 2?

[zealous wing]

i think thats the one im not using

[plucky flax]

Yeah it's like mk6 fgs

Only really pro people use it

[strong gulch]

I can run it with you tomorrow.

[zealous wing]

the one im using now feels the most similar to FGS6

fuck if i know im still loading

k im on mark x

[plucky flax]

Upper cut better

Way more single target damage

Like how fgs6 vs fgs8

[zealous wing]

using combat shotgun for single target

[wispy bay]

Ah, the back stab zealot, a classic.

[plucky flax]

I need 3 more captains kill for the event.

Last map only spawned 1 cap.

[wispy bay]

I last 3 games I got 3.

You auric?

[plucky flax]

Ye

If only havoc captains count too.

Xd

Wouldn't have to play auric then.

[wind spruce]

I got called a meta chaser while playing charged strike heavy sword 😭

[plucky flax]

Based.

[summer prairie]

someone must have made a video about it

[wind spruce]

STILL

[plucky flax]

Dunno how good it'd be in havoc.

No elite damage.

With heavy sword.

[wind spruce]

just cara

but yeah

its meh

[plucky flax]

Syllo wanna play soon?

[summer prairie]

sure

[plucky flax]

Pog op buff

[ripe obsidian]

played my first game in a week or so

[plucky flax]

NA ppl so nice

EU never say anything even after solo clutch

[ripe obsidian]

NA people are sometimes nice

[summer prairie]

I think Warp ghost isn't worth taking for the toughness gen increase if you don't already have like 4 sources of toughness gen. Of course if the stamina or the passive quell penalty has value to you, then it's good

Otherwise another toughness talent can generate more, but it depends

[ripe obsidian]

I wonder how disappointing this will be

26% WR

[plucky flax]

Pretty nice

[pine relic]

Now I understand why Rannick looks so familiar.

[zealous wing]

GLAD IM NOT THE ONLY FUCKING ONE

i thought i was insane 😭

[pine relic]

[summer prairie]

smite bubble chainsword purg psyker

[wraith sphinx]

You rang?

[summer prairie]

with charged strike stuff though, maybe not smiting

[wraith sphinx]

Still ass unfortunately

Even if you were to infinitely gaze csword still feels underwhelming as fuck

[summer prairie]

crash

[zealous wing]

we already have opt out of campaign, when opt out of event :(

[wraith sphinx]

pick a non event mission yourself instead of qp

[ripe obsidian]

all right, first H40 clear of this season

[plucky flax]

Maybe I get the zealot up if I had kd.

Maybe not.

[summer prairie]

It was probably a wipe even if you did

[ripe obsidian]

This is the current build I am working with. I have found my peril generation too high without ER. So I'm using a 29% WR Inferno stick with ER, and I've dropped Immaterial Focus for Vulnerable Minds. For now, at least.

Might swap Vulnerable Minds back to Immaterial Focus. Unsure.

[sand field]

Which melee weapon do you use with that build?

[ripe obsidian]

Deimos Force Sword

[wraith sphinx]

force sword or dsword I presume

ah

[ripe obsidian]

I was hoping the 10% peril reduction node would be enough to get me where I wanted

And I don't like the inconsistency of Inner Tranquility or Battle Meditation

[wraith sphinx]

I have found about the same, so I try not to use JAD if I don't have ER

[ripe obsidian]

I feel the same. JaD without ER feels kinda bad.

[wraith sphinx]

(on a staff build)

[acoustic jacinth]

What's the idea of low WR alongside ER? (without thinking about JaD) wouldn't increasing your WR land the same result?

[ripe obsidian]

Without ER and with a 60% WR staff + 10% peril reduction node, I generate like 4.3% peril per LMB. With ER and a 29% staff, I think I generate 3.3% per LMB

Or 3.4%

But with ER and a 60% staff, it's 2.8%, which is lower than I want

I'd prefer to be like 10% higher than where I am, but I can't get lucky with staves

[acoustic jacinth]

So it's basically just trying to find your personal sweet spot

And low WR with no ER doesn't cut it for you

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, that's my goal

[marble crater]

Something about having a certain amount of wounds

[ripe obsidian]

It's a preference thing more than an optimal playstyle thing

[acoustic jacinth]

Yeah i get that

I mean hell, i take the 10% peril reduction node on my EK build because it lands me exactly at the peril i want for 2 m2 casts at high peril

~70% peril i can cast twice

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, I get it.

[acoustic jacinth]

How is JaD btw?

[ripe obsidian]

I like the 10% node in theory, but it wasn't hitting right for me

[acoustic jacinth]

No experience with it this patch

I still run dam reduction like an old build

[ripe obsidian]

JaD is great damage reduction, but without ER it can really screw with peril generation

[acoustic jacinth]

My biggest fear lol

[ripe obsidian]

I think it's probably better than OwtW for non-SG builds.

But it doesn't work at 97% or higher peril, so eh for SG

[acoustic jacinth]

I get my peril to 70% like always, and if i take even a bit of damage my double cast'd kill me

So i dunno

[marble crater]

Why is Six awake

[ripe obsidian]

Because I have deep depression that haunts me if I lie in bed with my eyes shut.

So I try to go until I am too tired to think.

[marble crater]

Fair enough

[acoustic jacinth]

Trve

Slept at 5 last night 2 hours was just staring at talent trees

[marble crater]

Anyway, Quietude is a lot better than Soulstealer

[ripe obsidian]

:(

[acoustic jacinth]

The opposite of yesterday's discussion lol

I feel like soulstealer was more consistent somehow

Probably due to soulblaze

[ripe obsidian]

Soulstealer is better than Quietude. Quietude is good. But it's competing with like 4 other toughness over time nodes that are better

Soulstealer is your only burst toughness node

[marble crater]

Perhaps, since I discovered this neat trick yesterday, I technically found a way to gain toughness with Soulstealer, without having to engage in combat, which is one of the reasons I like Quietude

[acoustic jacinth]

Man, i had no idea how well wrath worked with fgs's special

At max stacks the +200% cleave was effectively a lawnmower

Thought it'd reach my mother in canada for a moment

[zealous wing]

[summer prairie]

It has infinite cleave but for some reason sometimes just skips over some enemies

[acoustic jacinth]

Really? The more cleave i add to it the more different it seems to behave

I sure don't remember unbuffed fgs doing anywhere near that much well, cleaving

[marble crater]

It cleaves better because of the sound

[acoustic jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/black-guy-black-guys-two-black-guys-apple-apple-laptop-gif-3090298217787114336

[plucky flax]

I use 32 wr staff without er

[acoustic jacinth]

Same, on my purg

[plucky flax]

@summer prairie im coming back if you wanna play couple more rounds

[acoustic jacinth]

It takes too long naturally

[summer prairie]

I can hop on

[plucky flax]

Im on in 5

Silo hard map

[wraith sphinx]

bad rejects go into the silo

[plucky flax]

2 rumblers I see you like having fun

[summer prairie]

I didn't check

2 rumblers and trauma, surely good

[plucky flax]

Surely can't die

Now youre getting flamed

[summer prairie]

Now I have to check what video he was talking about

Can't even find it, maybe he was confused

[summer prairie]

or he thought I was running sg smite or something

[plucky flax]

Don't deny it mr E watcher.

I have proof from big Log.

[summer prairie]

Looks like you are admitting

[plucky flax]

[gray kelp]

rending flurry or blazing nexus on voidblast staff?

[marble crater]

Both are good, blazing is more popular and stronger

[gray kelp]

part of me is wanting to go blazing just because blazing would help proliferate PC more and can chain reaction kill a bunch of weak specialists clumped up more consistently. I am also wondering if I go blazing if I should take warp flurry or warp nexus for 2nd blessing

[true shadow]

normal and functional gameplay

[marble crater]

Blazing with Nexus, because you will need the crit chance

[zealous wing]

oh thats just his beloved protecting him

he's good like that

[true shadow]

so true bestie

[marble crater]

We love our CW bugs

[summer prairie]

these people we are getting do no damage

[plucky flax]

Maybe I just go burga

[summer prairie]

I'll go trauma tehn

[plucky flax]

In a bit I will eat.

[summer prairie]

did you go already then

[plucky flax]

Yeah I am going to eat now.

I just rewatch. The mutie literally dropped down on top of me and grabbed me when I was at 90% ress.

Feelsbad

[zealous wing]

im running martyr zealot, and its kinda fun to have a peril management alternative

make myself low health, then its back to playing like a psyker, get hit as little as possible while hitting everything else as much as possible

ive already had like 3 people beg me to heal

one med stimmed me, one refused to heal when i didnt(multiple times, and, thusly, they downed several times, because, vet), and the third outright said to heal in chat

though to be fair, the one in chat was also a marty, and i was on 2hp, but i was FINE

its me being on low health as a psyker all over again

[pulsar hazel]

deadass strange behavior

idk what region you play in but in eu every 2nd zealot rn is trying out martyrdom and its pretty understandable from every other class

i be seeing others place medpacks in corners so the martyrdom zealots dont accidentally walk on em

martyr zealot is super fun rn and i agree it kinda feels like gazy melee psyker

big damage big attack speed but you're one quick fart away from losing it all

[spring ivy]

If i bother with health management, most i ever do is heal up to second wound. Otherwise… yeah…

[pulsar hazel]

also if you havent try out mk2 dueling sword martyrdom the attack speed is hilarious

and since zealot gets cleave buffs from various sources it surprisingly clears hordes

(the massive critrate and damage buffs help it ofc)

[ripe obsidian]

That sounds like so much quelling

[summer prairie]

I think he has BM

[plucky flax]

No

[summer prairie]

That's too much quelling then

[plucky flax]

Not with creeping flames

57s clip
Don't think I was quelling much. 1 tick every f spam
https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxjgtcb169pLtbT_LNnY9aLtKVFFoqiXh7

[zealous wing]

it is EU, but ive also not been paying tons of attention nor been playing zealot long

[weary crane]

Lmao, literally just joined a havoc game and the mission was aborted before we started. And I can't type in strike team channel for some reason

[zealous wing]

zealots been lvl 18 since before update, and only last few hours i've gotten him to 28 so far

[summer prairie]

Ok, the difference is I generate extra peril with my FS before shouting

maybe not worth it though

since if you always shout immediately you drop so low

[zealous wing]

only time i really notice if a zealots a marty or not is when i pick up a med stim, and actually look at names and hp to see who to keep an eye on

[plucky flax]

I find around 30 something is good for havoc without er

[stark haven]

There's a typo in the talent tree. In the Psykinetic's Aura node

[plucky flax]

Lower and I have to quell more

[zealous wing]

regeneneneneneneneneration

[plucky flax]

Higher and sometimes can't f back to back at 84%

[ripe obsidian]

Even spamming Shriek as soon as it's up, I have to quell more than that

[zealous wing]

theres a lot of mistakes in that one tho tbf

whoever wrote it was probably VERY tired, and just, didnt bother to check it before release i guess

the first part can be forgiven, the 2nd part, significantly less so

though, in my opinion, i think regeneneration should stay and they fix everything else

[plucky flax]

With bubble i use 64% warp resistance er and bm

But bubble is kinda bad this patch with burga cos low damage

[summer prairie]

64% wr, very precise

I guess 76 burn

[plucky flax]

76 burn so I cam get 64 wr

Tbh I was looking for all 76 staff

But it's too hard

[graceful arch]

Is the double full charge at 100% worth it when using shriek purg?

[plucky flax]

How do you mean?

Wait until end of charge before casting at100%?

[graceful arch]

You get to 100% peril on the first full charge you cast it and when it ends before you blow up you full charge another

[cosmic cobalt]

I usually just fully cast before shrieking

gotta edge

[summer prairie]

I don't like full charging in havoc

[plucky flax]

There's no right or wrong way.

I like to just minimal /45% charge to keep 5 stacks blaze away at all times.

[graceful arch]

Then shriek

Fair nuff.

[plucky flax]

I try to use it at 84% peril for maximum soulblaze stacks but sometimes need to stagger elites when they too close, push burster, or stagger trapper.

[summer prairie]

If you have to wait more than a few seconds to hit 84%, it's probably better to shriek immediately

[plucky flax]

Ye maximise f spam

[summer prairie]

With purg anyway, maybe not with trauma

[plucky flax]

[static sonnet]

If im right below 84 and f comes up I'll often swap to force sword and top myself off with special then shout

[plucky flax]

Ye that's good too.

But I play purg with knife so no quick peril gain for me.

I use fgs surge in auric though

Fgs special gives so much peril

[static sonnet]

I dont play anything but force sword. I like being able to generate and quell peril with everything in my hand

[plucky flax]

You can rat really well with knife.

[static sonnet]

Its my faaaavorite.

Rat is built different man

Ill never try

[summer prairie]

maybe I'll use knife for the boss damage, I mainly like fs for the push attack stagger

[plucky flax]

I think I would had clutched earlier with knife. Fast move speed for kiting and running to spawn point faster like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23s8qW8Xb3I

[random spruce]

Mr @ripe obsidian I went to bed shortly after the warden failed us. But checked this morning and saw you posted the chunks. Just wanted to say thank you for taking the time to do that.

[pastel bough]

the juxtaposition between the song and the chaos is good

i should learn to use the knife

[random spruce]

It seems carapace really is the only thing truly resistant to any of our staves. Which they should probably change in light of those enemies gaining double the HP now

[marble crater]

Tell them trauma is bad and there are no good builds

[random spruce]

HERESY

[rancid jasper]

does the overload explosion count as warp damage

[marble crater]

I would be surprised if it didn't

[heady maple]

According to kuli the warp explosion is buffed by the regular damage component of the Malific Momentum perk so I'd assume it's not warp damage

[gray juniper]

<@&735928989146939404> I gotta say the way mods regulate this discord and how fatshark gives users enough liberties to have a lot of fun makes this discord a rare one. Other game discords are comparatively abysmal with no rights but text and seemingly toxic antics from the userbase. Glad I found this place

[heady maple]

It also doesn't mention getting buffed by Empyric Shock which specifically applies warp damage. So I'd say it's probably not warp damage

[heady maple]

Why is trauma bad? Purg is better but trauma is probably my runner up for best.

[plucky flax]

I think it's just too hard to play well.

I like trauma though.

[marble crater]

It's not, was a joke/sarcasm

[heady maple]

d'oh sorry boss

[plucky flax]

It's not sarcasm.

German people don't joke.

[marble crater]

https://tenor.com/view/awkward-funnybot-south-park-s15e2-embarrassed-gif-23125516

[summer prairie]

Agent, I actually replied to that guy but the post is probably held due to containing a link

[graceful arch]

I just hate how some rooms with low ceilings will have your trauma staff clip into the ceiling instead of far away.

Cause of how aiming the thing works

[plucky flax]

I don't see any notification about that. I don't think I enable any comment restriction.

[gray juniper]

Want to hear a German joke? A German joke

[gray juniper]

I’m trying my best to get great at it because it’s obviously more versatile

[summer prairie]

Maybe I didn't post it then, well too much effort to post again

[marble crater]

Guy missing out on the build, because Agent censors his comment section

[patent steeple]

btw, I think I once heard a purg psyker activate Gaze recently, but idr if both were actually the same psyker, because the team had 3 psykers: myself, and 2 others...

[rancid jasper]

it's ironic that a warhammer 40k discord server is the one with loose authority.

[gray juniper]

Oddly enough it’s true

[near bluff]

[static sonnet]

Stairs

[plucky flax]

Clad got banned though.

[near bluff]

just following orders

[plucky flax]

#freeclad

[heady maple]

Crit/soulblaze/combustion and just knock down big guys while your team smacks everyone rolling on the floor ezpz

[rancid jasper]

what does everyone think of the crystalline will buff? i think imma make some real funny loadouts with this

poxburster rp loadout bouta be 🔥

[marble crater]

I think it's too buggy to judge right now

[rancid jasper]

is it? i havent actually tried it yet

whats the bug? corruption damage despite killing elite?

[near bluff]

dude was toeing a line for a long time then decided to push racist discussion in gen chat

i'm not touching that with a barge pole

[marble crater]

There is one bug that gives you corruption when you cancel the explosion with shriek or gaze, and one bug that doesn't give you corruption even if you don't kill anything, if you have 5 wounds

I think it's 5

[rancid jasper]

that actually sounds really funny

just spam infinite overloads

[plucky flax]

I don't go to gen chat but this channel is missing some daily clad flaming fun.

[fading galleon]

glad you're enjoying yourself 🙂

[plucky flax]

Give him access to only this channel.

[marble crater]

[gray juniper]

Ngl it’s kinda sad to see him go

[patent steeple]

btw, should I be running Flak + Maniac on my shredder for meleeker, or can I swap either one to bonus crit chance?

I primarily use shredder for killing dreg ragers if they get too close, so I'm not sure if shredder deals enough maniac damage via crits for me to swap the maniac perk to crit chance... (I know it deals at least kinda little flak damage regardless, tho)

am running Blaze Away and Pinning on it, just so you know.

[royal totem]

Trauma with a cc immune modifier though....

Is sadge

[broken carbon]

what why

[broken carbon]

oh….

sigh

not surprising

soooo can i get a link 2 that conversation i like being nosy,,

[near bluff]

it got deleted when banned

[radiant frigate]

FREE MY BOY CLAD HE DIDN'T DO SHIT

[broken carbon]

despair,,

[plucky flax]

Make it a trending hashtag

[patent mango]

bring clad back but lock him in psyker chat

[cosmic cobalt]

lore?

[marble crater]

Lore: he was banned, we want him back

[cosmic cobalt]

yeah the backstory

[graceful arch]

Literally 1984

[pastel bough]

[graceful arch]

(all I remember about clad is he was constantly posting clips.)

[radiant frigate]

who will help siblings with malleus monstronum now..

#freeclad

[marble crater]

Karien will help

[radiant frigate]

yes but what about I-LET-YOU-SOLO

[patent mango]

maybe bring clad back but he can only type 1 message a day

[weary crane]

1 letter a day

[pastel bough]

i still gotta do MM sadge

[weary crane]

N

[plucky flax]

@summer prairie up to play again?

[summer prairie]

yes, messing around with the infinite crystaline will explosion

not that it's good even like that, probably

since you need 5 wounds and have to be careful while exploding

if you have 5 wounds, you won't lose a wound when exploding at 2 wounds

[plucky flax]

I'll try harder on trauma for the video

Go bubble knight so it's easy win.

[summer prairie]

I'll play purg then because if the team doesn't have damage surge surge isn't that good

or maybe bubble knight if you want to farm for the video

[plucky flax]

Hmm we suck so bad I want to play bubble knight.

[summer prairie]

you get blocked by fire constantly on this map

I want to play trauma or purg

[plucky flax]

Ye do it

[celest valve]

surge is still to kill the horde and is quite effective at that :p

[plucky flax]

I could take souldrinker with bubble knight just for free 5% crit chance.

But shred is already gud.

[royal totem]

I keep forgetting what surge is 🙁

[marble crater]

Old name for Elektro staff and the blessing that shoots an extra projectile on crits

[royal totem]

Ahh

[graceful arch]

Isn't surge also the blessing that gives you 2 extra projectiles on m1 and like 5% CRIT chance

[idle valve]

@graceful arch possibly

[idle valve]

what's bubble knight?

[plucky flax]

Some bad havoc build.

[graceful arch]

FGS gun psyker with bubble instead of scriers.

[nocturne dust]

Well, doesn't necessarily run gun

[graceful arch]

Calling bubble knight and running staff seems a bit misleading no?

[nocturne dust]

Not really?

You can still focus melee while running staff

[graceful arch]

True, I just think you're better off not running staff when you melee focus.

[nocturne dust]

Quite a few bubble knights in Havoc run staves

Mostly because of ammo concerns

[graceful arch]

Fair enough.

[patent mango]

havoc spawning a grand total of 2 bullets worth of ammo pickups

[nocturne dust]

When you take all 4 charges of an ammo crate and get a grand total of 10 bullets

[buoyant maple]

Heavy stubber got nerfed (comparatively) this patch

[idle valve]

lebron's legacy hasn't been the same ever since this patch 😔

[royal totem]

I only rumbler ogryn

[plucky flax]

Maybe weekend people aren't so good.

[white sky]

The best players queue during no life hours ime

When normal people are at work or asleep lol

[plucky flax]

We keep getting people doing no damage.

[white sky]

Like

Smyker do no damage or real build do no damage

[plucky flax]

Just random builds but their damage number is pretty low.

Just seem like they hit air rather than enemies. Xd

[white sky]

Insert this devils claw sure is a lawnmower clip

[royal totem]

Sorry was me ._.

[plucky flax]

Is okie just try to do more next time

[royal totem]

(I say as i lie in bed like a degenerate lmao)

I want them to add a new psyker wep but idk what

[plucky flax]

Staff

[idle valve]

a truck could be a good step

[plucky flax]

Bolt staff

[idle valve]

the psyker's chariot cannot be stopped

[royal totem]

Drive over enemies? Sounds nice

[royal totem]

Would that even be diff from EK?

[idle valve]

wishing for that lol

[royal totem]

I want to change up a psyker build hmm...

Can i do a DS+EK build based on melee

[acoustic jacinth]

Despite DS's strength that would lack horde clear

Ideally EK would be paired with the trusty fgs

[nocturne dust]

Assail is a salve

Also, EK does hordes fine in soulblaze builds with shriek

[acoustic jacinth]

Tru but you're relying on other sources to fill gaps in your weapons

When they could be putting them to some better use

[nocturne dust]

Not really

Your alternative blitzes are BB (lol) and smite (which you can't use while using EK)

[acoustic jacinth]

KF BB would have better value no?

[nocturne dust]

And Shriek is still shriek. It's very powerful

[dusk timber]

kf is lame af tho

[nocturne dust]

KF is nice, but at the end of the day you can get more value out of well-managed assail

[nocturne dust]

Well, now that I disagree with wholeheartedly

KF is the best part of BB

[marble crater]

KF is awesome

[dusk timber]

mfw the main reason to take brain burst doesnt even require using the fucking blitz in the first place

[nocturne dust]

That's an issue with BB, not KF

[acoustic jacinth]

On EK? I really don't see how 🤔 i haven't really felt i needed any other source of damage besides a horde clear with ek

[dusk timber]

both imo

[acoustic jacinth]

And assail i mean

[nocturne dust]

Not really, as stated KF isn't that amazing

[acoustic jacinth]

Fgs would do better

[nocturne dust]

You can do quick swapping to assail to manage hordes rather easily

Assail is great as a subweapon

[dusk timber]

i still heavily dislike the concept of an upgrade to the blitz that doesnt even require using it

[nocturne dust]

FGS would eat more time

[nocturne dust]

Literally every blitz can be used that way

[acoustic jacinth]

And would do more tbh

[nocturne dust]

except assail, but also you don't need assail out when it hits

[acoustic jacinth]

Assail needs some form of investment to work that well for horde clear

Fgs just does it innately, even better with wrath

[nocturne dust]

Well, yeah, except you lose out on EK time.

[acoustic jacinth]

That goes for assail too no? You can't be EKing the whole match you have to deal with the 200 pox at some point

[nocturne dust]

EK + assail vs staff build FGS? The former is going to win.

[nocturne dust]

No

You don't need assail out for more than half a second at most

You swap, throw a shard, swap back. Repeat.

[acoustic jacinth]

What will one shard do in such a large horde though

Especially in high havoc i don't feel like you can assail the wall of poxwalkers and call it a day

[nocturne dust]

quite a lot over time if you keep swapping back and forth

[nocturne dust]

You're not running EK in high havoc

and if you are, you're going full soulblaze build over some weird assail/EK hybrid

[acoustic jacinth]

Wdym back and forth? M1 of EK is amazing i would never doubt but it still isn't good clear

[acoustic jacinth]

I go full sb with wrath/riposte fgs

For ze hordes

KF BB

For blitz

[nocturne dust]

No, you don't use EK for horde clear, you use EK for priority targets and let PC help horde clear, and use assail to fill gaps

It works fine

[acoustic jacinth]

That is awfully specific tbh

Realistically you don't always get the chance

Especially with how much others may or may not take kills you need

For that moment's horde clear

[nocturne dust]

Not really?

[acoustic jacinth]

You're relying on a talent to help you

When you could do it yourself and better with fgs

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, like every build that takes talents

[acoustic jacinth]

It's a chance

This is not the same case though

[nocturne dust]

Kinda is

[acoustic jacinth]

It's for a key situation

That being horde clear

[nocturne dust]

You can rely on KD, you can rely on your DR nodes, etc. etc..

[nocturne dust]

Horde clear is not really a key situation

[acoustic jacinth]

Sure but in this specific case you're waiting for the chance to nail down an elite just so you can get some sb going to horde clear

[nocturne dust]

A horde alone is whatever, I could stab it to death with a dueling sword

and it'll be alone, because of EK

[acoustic jacinth]

Yeah but you'd still have to use your melee

Soo..

Fgs would help get that job done quicker

Which is why i said it's potentially a great combo with EK

Vs DS

[nocturne dust]

I never said FGS was a poor choice

[acoustic jacinth]

Which is obviously single target oriented

You're saying assail is better though

[nocturne dust]

No?

I'm saying assail is an option

There are more ways to handle horde clear than taking FGS

[acoustic jacinth]

^

[nocturne dust]

Ah that. Yeah, I stand by that for auric, which is what I was talking about.

[acoustic jacinth]

Fair

Don't get me wrong i have nothing against assail either but like

I feel like the danger of getting walled in by pox in havoc as an EK psyker is getting underestimated

Can't rely on the team much either so have to take care of it quickly

To go back to staffing again

[nocturne dust]

I mean, I never have an issue getting walled in by pox

[acoustic jacinth]

Neither do i but if i don't take a good horde clear melee i probably would be feeling differently

I like assail and yes i am bored of KF

But assail can't solo large hordes

[nocturne dust]

Well, psyker just spits out horde clear

Hard not to have good horde clear, really

[acoustic jacinth]

Ye you can creeping flames everything however i don't like taking my chances, i rather direct my sb at the elites/specials around, at least how it usually goes mid match

Whatever is too low in priority to spend resources on

I just fgs

But of course comfort is much better now

What with warp battery being so easy to take

Your ability will probably be back by the time you would like it to be

Discussions like these are arguably why i like hanging around

[rancid jasper]

they just buffed kf right?

12 second cooldown and 100% chance to trigger or something

[nocturne dust]

they did

[radiant frigate]

#freeclad

[rancid jasper]

tbh dont think it needed the buff but 100% chance is cool

[nocturne dust]

Kinda did. It was problematic in design before.

[rancid jasper]

how so?

too much rng?

[nocturne dust]

10% chance limits it to only rapidfire weapons

and also it activated on poxbursters

[rancid jasper]

yeah the whole theme with the reworks seemed to be to increase build diversity

[rancid jasper]

im very glad they got rid of this lol

[rancid jasper]

and soulblaze, soulblaze was always the best way to trigger it for me

and it still will be a good way to trigger it because it gaurantees an instant trigger as soon as it's off cooldown

[nocturne dust]

well, used to not trigger on soulblaze

[rancid jasper]

used to when?

[nocturne dust]

couple updates ago

[rancid jasper]

ah cause when i played a few months ago it did

[royal totem]

The only issue is i detest FGS

You could make it one shot everything and id still only grudgingly take it

[young cliff]

why you dislike the Frigging Gargantuant Sick?

[fathom adder]

Some people just gotta go fast ig

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/jacksepticeye-speed-gif-20515611

[royal totem]

Cuz i like fastttttt

[fathom adder]

Trying to sprint with FGS+Staff is like one of those dreams where youre trying to run to/from something but can barely move off your spot

[young cliff]

Paint yourself red

[royal totem]

Im not an orc so i dont think thatll work.

[young cliff]

kinda why i only do that with Trauma, no need to run if you are Gandalf and all crumble against you

[fading escarp]

heeeyyyy
someone can recommend some good options for heavy targets?
most of the time i end up dying to crusher because blaze sword is well
not good for that

[young cliff]

"blazing sword is well not good for that"
excuse me but what?

isnt the Fswords really good single target?

Deimos stabs can even stagger the jerks

and Obscurus just EATS them

[royal totem]

If you run illisi though....

[young cliff]

ah, there is the mistake

[royal totem]

I dont personally

Just pointing out

[young cliff]

i want to like illisi, but just...dont...

[fading escarp]

i tried this... but yeah... its just don't feel good to use

[royal totem]

Uhhh if you dont like obscurus and deimos maybe switch wep

[fading escarp]

its so nice to slash half of the enemy wave with special attack

[ripe obsidian]

Point them to my guide? :D

[young cliff]

honestly i wish Illis had a warp slash at home at least, the single swing feels too short

[royal totem]

....are you using FGS or FS

[fading escarp]

i end up not using stuff/gun for the most part because all of them feels weak for some reason
except recon

[royal totem]

Hah????????

Ok tbf idk what difficulty you play but still...thats a...take

[fading escarp]

staff*

[marble crater]

Which level are you?

[fading escarp]

i have all classes at 30

well except dlc one

[royal totem]

Yeah but what difficulty?

[fading escarp]

auric

[plucky flax]

I don't have al ink to yours.

[fading escarp]

this is why im saying i have problems with heavy mobs like crushers

[marble crater]

Then it's a build problem for thinking staves are weak, there are some builds in the 3rd pin here

For crushers deimos, Dueling Sword, greatsword, voidblast, Elektro are all options

[ripe obsidian]

Is in Potato's pin

[marble crater]

Either because it's a lot of damage or because of crowd control

[plucky flax]

Pigchomp

[royal totem]

I suppose if you purposely build for melee staves will be kinda weak? Unsure

Im unskilled

Ppl that play with me say things never die

[marble crater]

That includes you

Unkillable psyker

[ornate hamlet]

You still can deal funny damage with staves without going all-out on them

True aim voidstrike was silly

[strong gulch]

Potato mentioned.

https://tenor.com/view/о-gif-7889686974128802233

[royal totem]

If i outlast my enemies i still win

[ripe obsidian]

I am debating. Last point in Ogryn damage node or DR and stun immunity node? I think the latter. Because of JaD, if I get hit hard enough to be in danger, my peril spikes to max and gives me stun immunity to skedaddle.

The ogryn damage is nice, but not necessary, I think.

[royal totem]

I always take oggy damage even if i shouldnt

[ripe obsidian]

It's not a bad node

I think I marked it yellow in every build. Good, but competing with lots of great nodes

[royal totem]

dont listen to advice from me though. I cant even clear havoc 40 so big noob

[ripe obsidian]

I did my first H40 of the season last night with a non-ER build. Felt like I spent too much time quelling.

But I did take only 70 damage, so

[royal totem]

Damn. Six is so skilled xD

[sturdy reef]

did 3.1 mil but got an unlucky wipe

[ripe obsidian]

I had a 3m H32 or something, then this H40

[pale prairie]

I already have when a guy came around asking about inferno SG. I said 6 is an expert at that build and says it’s totally havoc viable

[sturdy reef]

I coulda hit that 3.5 mil

unfort

[pale prairie]

More skilled players helping? Also probably the modifiers

[ripe obsidian]

The Arby was my duo. Zealot and Vet were randoms

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/not-yet-you-wait-wait-antonio-banderas-desperado-gif-2696375269853630161

[ripe obsidian]

And yeah, the H40 was rotten armor. Ruined my damage output

[plucky flax]

I took 35hp damage with quietude no soulstealer no er.

[ripe obsidian]

I spent a lot of time trying not to die after the Zealot fell over

[pale prairie]

But souldrinker?

And mettle?

[plucky flax]

Ye it's burga build so.

[pale prairie]

With shriek that makes sense

Can’t remember are you a ghost hater?

[royal totem]

Bruger builds huh :3

[ripe obsidian]

I am taking ER because without it I feel like I quell too much

[plucky flax]

I use ghost with staff.

I don't use it with bubble knight.

[sturdy reef]

play meleeker

[royal totem]

Is ER more effective than BM?

[plucky flax]

Playing low wr staff but taking er is kind of oxymoron.

[pale prairie]

Agreed

[plucky flax]

Have you not tried just doing 60 wr?

[ripe obsidian]

ER is more consistent. BM is gambling

[pale prairie]

BM is gambling yes

[ripe obsidian]

Nah, it finds a middle ground.

[pale prairie]

I don’t like it as a node

Except on voidstrike

[plucky flax]

Hmm I lied my cf burga staff is 42% warp resist

[pale prairie]

Old voidstrike it was beautiful

[plucky flax]

I guess I upgraded it cos 30~ is too hard.

[summer prairie]

No ER works with purg in this patch due to more stable shriek cooldown. Seemed like the only time I had to quell more than I liked was when fighting mostly pure horde and it doesn't matter then

[plucky flax]

I did have a 19% wr staff but it was way too hard Xd

[ripe obsidian]

Like, ER reduces LMB to 2.8% peril with a 60% WR staff. Too low. But 60% staff with 10% peril resist node is 4.3% peril per LMB. Too high.

[royal totem]

Mmmmm...

[ripe obsidian]

I felt like I had to quell more than I wanted in almost every fight

[pale prairie]

Sounds like you might want lower WR with 10% node

I know you got the cash

Go to brunt’s casino

[ripe obsidian]

My 29% staff was giving me like 3.3% peril per LMB with ER. Which was still a little low.

I want like 10% more than that

[royal totem]

I....am on vacation but all i wanna do is play havoc 🙁

[ripe obsidian]

I am honestly debating trying Inner Tranquility instead of ER.

[plucky flax]

Did you watch the little clip I posted?

[ripe obsidian]

Post it again?

[plucky flax]

Not much quelling in like a proper fights with elites.

[white sky]

Personally I find inner tranquility while playing ER

[nocturne dust]

Did that. Still arse.

[sturdy reef]

I coulda had it. unfort trapper net on zeal

with meme SG inferno

[plucky flax]

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxjgtcb169pLtbT_LNnY9aLtKVFFoqiXh7

40~ wr staff no er

[nocturne dust]

That's shriek tho

[pale prairie]

What’s your uptime on charges? That might decide it

[ripe obsidian]

I was quelling more than that last night. I'll need to keep experimenting.

[patent steeple]

btw, what blessing combo would be good for meleeker fgs? I myself use either riposte + deflector or riposte + precog, depending on how recently I have had trouble with gunners...

[plucky flax]

Yeah of course.

[pale prairie]

sigh the buzzfeed article title on this video

[plucky flax]

Which is what we're discussing.

[nocturne dust]

uncanny + something else

[plucky flax]

People and their own sweet spot for peril management with burga shriek.

[nocturne dust]

uncanny + deflector or uncanny + slaughterer for blaze swords

[pale prairie]

Uncanny on FGS?

[patent steeple]

FGS, not reg FS...

[nocturne dust]

o

[pale prairie]

[plucky flax]

I find for me no er and 40~wr is good. My staff is 42 or 44 I think

[nocturne dust]

I use wrath and shred

[pale prairie]

Noob confirmed

[strong gulch]

Last havoc season with ER and shriek felt too much with inferno. If shriek is even more consistent, they yeah might be too much unless you are specifically hunting for your specific comfort spot.

[nocturne dust]

Very noob at reading, haven't read in 85 years

[patent steeple]

I don't play havoc, though, so wrath would be a waste, right?

[pale prairie]

🫂 sorry I didn’t know

[nocturne dust]

If you have warp splitting, yes

[strong gulch]

@ripe obsidian It could just be that you aren't used to it because of mini break.

[patent steeple]

which I do, because assail

[ripe obsidian]

I haven't found my sweet spot yet. But it would be nice to use the ER point elsewhere

[plucky flax]

I have 20% ogryn damage

Good for boss and bulwarks

[nocturne dust]

20% big boi node is fantastic

Basically 20% free damage since psyker murders everything else

[royal totem]

I want to murderize more things 🙁

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-lisa-simpson-hell-gif-24774837

Shriek

[royal totem]

If i dont then Tertium falls into anarchy!

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, it's a good node. I'd probably pick it and Immaterial Focus both.

[nocturne dust]

Beloved says KILL

[kind jay]

nemui about to end vacation early

[pale prairie]

But you called it yellow

[royal totem]

We all know Chaos is the actual one saving Tertium from anarchy xD

[strong gulch]

How are you still gray name Fat??

[ripe obsidian]

Yellow is good!

[pale prairie]

Green is better

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/nurgle-gif-14420043269314741948

[kind jay]

i ate the red crayon

[pale prairie]

Fat just knows how to observe and not flame

https://tenor.com/view/nurgle-total-war-warhammer-great-unclean-one-daemons-nurgling-gif-24491424

[strong gulch]

Fat, wisdom, grey.

Sounds like a brain to me.

[pale prairie]

Huh I wonder if you could tell Brains apart better than faces

[strong gulch]

[plucky flax]

No knife recommended for burga shriek 😮

[ripe obsidian]

I can put knife in

I forget it exists because I never use it

[strong gulch]

knife

[plucky flax]

You dont have to but I know a couple others than me use it

[strong gulch]

embrace knife EK

[plucky flax]

Beef and dotnl

[pale prairie]

3.5 people?

[plucky flax]

Yeah beef count for 1.5 cos he thicc

[pale prairie]

Lmao

Brutal

[plucky flax]

Too much beef

[strong gulch]

I full send knife with inferno or VB

[pale prairie]

It is cool

But DS

[plucky flax]

Tru but knife is more rat

[pale prairie]

IS knife that much faster?

[plucky flax]

Maybe 10%

[pale prairie]

Lies I saw you use DS

[strong gulch]

Ye. If I do DS tho, I know I will do stupid stuff and need KD for parry spam.

[strong gulch]

my one KD build left 😭

[pale prairie]

Alright I am curious what’s a knife build and which mark

[royal totem]

More rat? 😮

[strong gulch]

Knife 6 is best for psykers, but either is fine.

[plucky flax]

Its not a knife build it's just using it for mobility and uncanny stacks

[ripe obsidian]

I can put it in and add your video to the section. I want to start putting links to builds other people made.

[ripe obsidian]

I am best knife.

[pale prairie]

You don’t use it though….

[plucky flax]

Unless you want to do meme charged strike mk6 heavy knife spam

[pale prairie]

Yeah I know that I meant as in what blessings and perks

I understand the mobility stick

[plucky flax]

Uncanny and a bleed blessing

[strong gulch]

Especially if your have the stam to PA a lot.

But yeah, knife is mostly for mbility. YOu can also build it to either focus on bigger single or have it do bleeds for more DoT and runnign away.

[plucky flax]

Carapace and unyielding

[strong gulch]

yes

Ye. On staff I do uncanny + bleed.

[royal totem]

Bleed on crit or just bleed? Also how much damage does the bleed do?

[strong gulch]

On EK + knife I do lacerate because I am using it for consistent horde clear when shriek is down. That's a personal choice.

[plucky flax]

Its up to you both good. Just run one of them + uncanny

[royal totem]

Got it. Ty

[strong gulch]

Ye.

Lacerate for consistency.
Flesh Tearer for gambling and everything works on weakspot.

Trust me bro. Just look at these pro knife skills.

[jovial juniper]

Get Sparta'd lol

[strong gulch]

Here's the real pro tip. Don't get stuck between the railing and a twin kicking you.

[strong gulch]

repeatedly 😭

[royal totem]

THIS IS SPARTAAA

[pale prairie]

But shriek was up

[strong gulch]

I was too mollywhopped to even know what shriek was.

[pale prairie]

Potato likes punching

[marble crater]

smh

[ornate hamlet]

1000 hours of knowledge leaving my body when I face a slight inconvenience

[strong gulch]

exactly

[marble crater]

[strong gulch]

I think I also forgot how my coffee maker worked too.

[marble crater]

Very sad

[wispy bay]

Lacerte might be better, because with uncanny, a crit means most enemies die too fast for bleed to be meaningful.

[sturdy reef]

we had very bad boss dps

[limpid lily]

man, psyker's still not very varied in havoc playstyles, at least according to people

you can do everything pretty good with other builds and people will still say "no fire? no shield? so useless"

[marble crater]

Blame the havoc modifiers

[loud girder]

havoc is not the variety mode unless you're playing with friends

[vague musk]

am i wrong for thinking that staffs are the main meta that most psykers use

[loud girder]

randoms want le META TM

[wispy bay]

You can out dps every other class without fire, but the team dies so they blame you.

[patent steeple]

because psyker is the only one with a "screw you, I win" ability against gunners that can help the whole team (aka, shield/bubble)

[wispy bay]

I finished plenty of games with dome. The players are just good, no whining about not having protection.

[pale prairie]

Without?

[wispy bay]

Without*

[loud girder]

exec stance vet

[marble crater]

Not wrong

[wispy bay]

That means other classes are just not as good.

[white sky]

The humble smoke nade

[patent steeple]

fair point. why do I keep forgetting smoke nades exist...? 🤔

[loud girder]

cause only 2 people run them'

[white sky]

Dunno, but you should use em more.

[pale prairie]

You lose sight of them when activated

[prime elk]

Average Redditor take

[pale prairie]

Ice cold take

[royal totem]

I hate smoke nades. Just like i hate vent purge

[long stone]

I wonder if blanks would ever be a choice for a future class would be interesting to see the dialogue between them and our psykers

[marble crater]

If I could use two staves, I would do that too

[pale prairie]

Twice the explosions

[royal totem]

Why cant we have a melee staff like a quarterstaff or sumthin. Bonk stick

[patent steeple]

its probably more like "I can't use smoke nades to kill or stagger crusher packs when not using bolter/plasma, so not worth it"...?

[pale prairie]

I feel like spear might come eventually

[royal totem]

Spear cool too

[patent steeple]

force spear?

[olive ember]

have you tried the special on the staffs kekw

[royal totem]

But thats more poke than bonk

[wispy bay]

People are too comfy with dome that they don't know how to use the map as cover, cut line of sight of the shooters.

[royal totem]

[wispy bay]

So anytime more than 3 gunners appear, they lost their shit.

[marble crater]

Havoc 1.0 trauma response

[patent steeple]

sometimes the gunners are so spread out that even that's not as great of an option...

the amphitheatre carnival map's start was one such case, and still is but to a smaller extent than before iirc.

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

[limpid lily]

i've done pretty damn good with trauma + smite tbh, not 2-3x dmg of the team but just, and I've gotten this one psyker dude who basically did so damn well with venting shriek as well (with soulblaze and infernus tho). So really I think it comes down to whether your teammates can actually take advantage of stuff like that.

[pale prairie]

“Man how bad can they be”

[sturdy reef]

this was fire, but it was scriers lol

[pale prairie]

starts using bubble

[sturdy reef]

gonna start using melee psyker

had my fun with SG inferno

[pale prairie]

I want to use melee psyker in high havocs because inferno play is really…..stale

Same old as every season

Still op

[limpid lily]

then you get dumbass infernus staff psykers who just burn into a group of crushers, and doesn't even know how to push poxbursters with the thing, it goes both ways really

[royal totem]

In a mode of party finder where you have no clue how good ppl are...if they bring bubble at least they bring some utility even if their damage sucks

[sturdy reef]

Its powerful

OP

dunno

you can get armor checked easily if you have bad positioning

[pale prairie]

I guess. Just when I do creature spawner trials I have to work hard as melee psyker. Inferno I do a few pumps and run a bit with some shrieks and everything is dead in like 30 sec

I guess no OP

Just….shrimple

[sturdy reef]

ya

simple

[long stone]

Is gun psyker still good haven’t played psyker in awhile

[pale prairie]

Even better

[long stone]

Based

[pale prairie]

More tanky and SG stonks just keep rising

[sturdy reef]

heavy laspistol my beloved

[pale prairie]

Also perfect timing damage stacks now applied to all damage

[hushed egret]

trying to do some math to see how best to survive Crusher overheads on psyker and did my math like this: I first calculated my effective toughness by taking my toughness and multiplying my toughness damage reduction to it (200 x 1.1 x 1.33), then I calculated the damage taken seprately by taking the damage of the attack and multiplying it by the inverse of the damage reduction (520 x .9 x .75). does it sound like I did the equations right?

[sturdy reef]

this is what Ive been running

anticipation very nice for fgs

esp if I play on servers that arent NA West lol

[pale prairie]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1420664597903310848/image.png?ex=68e2bec2&is=68e16d42&hm=674cd9cb955410b674eed494ad2540866b41ad8aa655b09b79e86f66a000e0a2&

irosktheorc made this based on psykanium testing

[hushed egret]

what does health and toughness bonk represent? the base damage of the attack should be the same regardless of if you have toughness or not and shouldnt deal damage to both except by bleedthrough/spillover, right?

[pale prairie]

I believe he tested with toughness alone and with health alone

[olive ember]

Watching a Mister E vid and he takes this node... is that uhhhhhh

normal?

[sturdy reef]

no

its bad

🙂

[pale prairie]

The point was showing that some of the DR is total DR and not specific to toughness

[sturdy reef]

maybe it would be decent if quell cancelling was still a thing

[pale prairie]

It’s mid on LMB spam EK it’s bad on anything else

[hushed egret]

solid skill. maybe not the best, but metaslaves wont be acknowledging it without a buff

[long stone]

They patched where you can’t do crazy ball spam anymore right?

[hushed egret]

works well for flame staff

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/alone-lonely-single-hurting-this-shit-again-gif-15291406

[long stone]

[feral verge]

whoever just duo'd half of a match with me, and asked to see my build, here it is

[sturdy reef]

you arent LMB'ing on flame staff unless you need to stagger

[royal totem]

Lmao

[olive ember]

Surge staff

[pale prairie]

RMB with blaze stacks will always be better than LMB with ES. Not to mention ranged differences

[feral verge]

lmb spam

[olive ember]

https://tenor.com/view/aaaaaugh-gif-26144251

ohhh

lmb stam

[hushed egret]

if the enemy you want to deal greater damage to already has max stacks of soulblaze, might as well increase the damage they're taking. plus, when in need of stagger, free damage buff

[olive ember]

acceptable

[feral verge]

i pretty much never use right click

[sturdy reef]

if they have max SB stacks they pretty much ded

[olive ember]

makes sense

[sturdy reef]

idk

[pale prairie]

There’s too many good nodes to justify the “sometimes useful” node

[sturdy reef]

I use it to stagger bombers and elites

but only if I know I cant kill them fast enough before they throw

[hushed egret]

not always, depending on how fast they were applied and other etc factors, but can make a difference. notably against bosses. the alternative is wildfire, which isnt helpful for blaze staff at all

[pale prairie]

Oh my god wildfire haters still exist

[sturdy reef]

wildfire is fine

it ramps SB on horde

thats it

[pale prairie]

@ripe obsidian

Applies BB KF

[hushed egret]

wildfire is fine for non blaze staff. everything has too many fire stacks for it to do anything

[pale prairie]

Applies souldrinker

iFR

[sturdy reef]

its still worth it

you can get warp charges off of it

souldrinker

[olive ember]

thats me kekw

[sturdy reef]

you spread SB faster

[royal totem]

Why do i feel like this chat has to rehash the same arguements every few daya >.>

[sturdy reef]

its an ok node

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-poe-dameron-theres-just-too-many-of-them-there-are-too-many-of-them-too-many-of-them-gif-21443799

[plucky flax]

If they want bubble they should go vet and pick smoke i agree

[sturdy reef]

because people dont understand psyker

its not a strictly good node

its an alright node

[hushed egret]

not really. 4 stacks total doesnt really do anything you wouldnt have done otherwise

with blaze staff

[sturdy reef]

it adds up over the course of the mission

and it can spread to enemies out of LoS

[olive ember]

nothing has changed

in all thesse years

[sturdy reef]

you ramp SB stacks on hordes and enemies out of vision

[hushed egret]

enemies will have more than 4 stacks before it applies, so not really

[pale prairie]

Alone yeah. In synergy with the rest of fire it’s good. Certainly better than other choices on your way down

[plucky flax]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1422637305008750843/image.png?ex=68e2abbc&is=68e15a3c&hm=fd4562f8f9f8af678baefafe7f92d736bcad9b071b610c711754dceaa33fa08b&

[sturdy reef]

I dont know why people are calling it bad

[ripe obsidian]

Why do you summon me to this nonsense. >:(

[olive ember]

Do you still love the surge staff? Out of curiosity

since everyone is running around with purge staffs now

[pale prairie]

You havoc climbed without me. This is your penance

[sturdy reef]

[plucky flax]

I do ye but it's not as strong in havoc this season

Its still op in auric

Havoc atm just armours spam

So just pick infinite cleave and win

[sturdy reef]

yall left me behind in the 40 climb, I had to do it randos/premades half n half

😠

[ripe obsidian]

I'm only 34

I have done like 2 havoc missions

[royal totem]

Im only...20

[plucky flax]

I lost all my games with syllo today

Where karien to carry

[ripe obsidian]

right now I am trying to do the event

[pale prairie]

Bruh I didn’t know you were interested

[sturdy reef]

smh

[ripe obsidian]

would've won if you had empyric resolve

[pale prairie]

Also figured you were EU

[sturdy reef]

nah, NA west

[hushed egret]

@plucky flax how do you use your surge? I havent been able to make it feel useful for anything other than lmb crit spam

[plucky flax]

Actually tru

[olive ember]

purge and Trauma stays winning kekw

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/power-rangers-red-green-jason-scott-tommy-oliver-gif-10365087

Me too

[olive ember]

Oh yeahhhh how good is this damn node? Cuz i was under the impression rending was kinda shit but purge but idk if they changed that

[sturdy reef]

I thought u were EU

.....

[plucky flax]

In auric or? Auric it's just right click shriek spam as per usual

[sturdy reef]

I wanna start using melee psyker or voidblast shriek now

in H40

[plucky flax]

Havoc there's a left click surge surge gaze melee hybrid meme

[pale prairie]

My dream

[sturdy reef]

if only quell cancelling didnt get nerfed

as in removed

[pale prairie]

Unsanctioned putting crazy ideas in the heads of noobs

[royal totem]

I thought u EU

[pale prairie]

False

West coast best coast

[plucky flax]

Ye but you kinda want to play with a 2nd psyker for free souldrinker and horde clear

[hushed egret]

it's good if you're using a warp attack that doesnt ignore armor. there arent a lot of those, but for the ones that do exist, 20% rending is a lot. pretty sure it affects soulblaze, but otherwise it's assail and finger guns only I think. maybe the greatsword special

[plucky flax]

Solo psyker with that build is sus

[pale prairie]

Insanely free

Honestly I think 2 psyker is meta

Need the extra damage

[plucky flax]

More surge proc op for left click spam

[pale prairie]

With stims and fart armor

[ripe obsidian]

ADMs are listed in the guide

Basically nothing except Assail really benefits on non-crusher enemies

[sturdy reef]

honestly FotF zealot is good

so is shroudfield

thammer zealot eats well now

[plucky flax]

Not many ppl can play melee zealot well tho

[sturdy reef]

wot

[royal totem]

....im gonna leave before another arguement is rehashed and i get a headache

[plucky flax]

Arby then can just smash random buttons and do something

[sturdy reef]

tru

[hushed egret]

I see. havent tested it much myself since so many warp attacks dont benefit from rending. is soulblaze unaffected or just not significant?

[pale prairie]

He thinks Empyric shock is better on inferno staff than wildfire. Your numbers mean nothing

[sturdy reef]

arby doesnt have as good of damage now

compared to zealot

[plucky flax]

It feels the same to me

Syllo did 1.9 mil on blaze trauma i did 1.8 on arby shock maul

[sturdy reef]

thats cuz scab melee elites got a hp buff

bleed or no bleed tho

[hushed egret]

the irony in saying this after how I reacted to it

[sturdy reef]

bleed arby much diff than reg

[plucky flax]

Dog bleed and dog shock

[sturdy reef]

heresy

[plucky flax]

Same build as pre patch

[sturdy reef]

hax0r

[royal totem]

Whats your arb build. Curious

[plucky flax]

I think it's pretty standard. At the start
https://youtu.be/5_3Ogc7aguQ

Just whack elites and bosses

I dunno dog kill range units

[royal totem]

Thank you!

[pale prairie]

Your reaction was. “I ignore your points and insist wildfire is worse than Empyric shock”

[plucky flax]

I need to make melee smoke vet build

Not an actual meme actually op carry build

[hushed egret]

@pale prairie talking about this. I also didnt ignore anyones points, and I do use wildfire on any build that I have soulblaze on except flame staff because all of wildfires benefits dont apply to any meaningful degree (pun intended) when you stack souldblaze like crazy

[royal totem]

I think if krieger is gonna psyker i might need to arb

[sturdy reef]

its my fav vet playstle

[plucky flax]

So psyker can go shriek guilt free

But krak is op too

[sturdy reef]

no

a juiced psword is OP

with DBS

[plucky flax]

Im not that good i need plasma to win havoc

[sturdy reef]

🙁

[royal totem]

I need krak grenades to win clearly

[pale prairie]

That’s great that you reacted with curiosity to PoTs (also a mid node that shouldn’t be picked) but we were talking about Wildfire. Different conversation and you didn’t react with curiosity to it so I don’t think you get points for it.

Wildfire means no wasted stacks, it means fire spreads beyond your rage proccing Bb KF and PC meaning a blaze is going before you even get there. It also means that half RMB pumps to keep blaze away stacks up won’t mean wasted soulblaze stacks because wildfire is keeping average stacks of the horde high.

And if you ignore all that it’s better as a route pick than its neighbors.

Arguments against have been presented but you seem adamant sooooo yeah.

[pale prairie]

Let me MELEE

[royal totem]

I think we have 4 psykers though

[plucky flax]

No 30s smoke?! 420 blaze it bro

[sturdy reef]

U can fit if u want

[hushed egret]

I started the conversation on wildfire and already had a well formed opinion that I provided my reasons for in exchange with the reasons for others opinions. that's a good discussion

wildfire doesnt mean no wasted stacks because only 4 of your 10-16 per enemy even have a chance to spread and will spread to enemies you have to burn more anyways. proccing BB KF from further away by soulblaze is honestly a downside since you have less control over where it procs at that point (though in this extremely niche case where it procs further and triggers PC, sure, small advantage). and half rmb pumps arent even wasting soulblaze stacks, and wildfire doesnt even keep the stack high. higher than 0, but if you're flaming the average is already well above 4, where wildfire caps out

the only non-hyper-niche application of wildfire for flame staff is keeping stacks from reaching 0 and keep the burn spreading when swapping to other weapons for extended periods of time. that's a good reason to take it. but if you dont swap off the staff that often, wildfire gives minimal value to flame staff builds at best

not saying this makes ES better, but it makes it a perfectly valid alternative

[royal totem]

Wish i could dm a better psyker than me....

[pale prairie]

Because when that enemy dies with 16 stacks where do they go???

And why is it a downside to kill an elite you can’t see and have stacks of soulblaze already start? Less pumps required to ramp. Damage already happening before you even encounter them.

A half pump applies fewer stacks than a full pump yes?

In high havoc you will be swapping off to reposition because of giant armor blobs with either fart armor or stims so yes wildfire keeps it going while you try to move so you don’t get mobbed

ES means you can apply a debuff for 5 sec to one enemy. Sure you can stack it but they are gonna be dead before you reach max stacks (other than bosses)

[royal totem]

@strong gulch you around?

I need help ._.