psyker-class

[jovial juniper]

He falls over

[proper osprey]

Tac axe, obscurus, smaul

[jovial juniper]

And loses 50% of his mass

[proper osprey]

Guh

Is this worth it over assail

[jovial juniper]

Nuh uh

[proper osprey]

I figured

[jovial juniper]

Taxe is so so

I mean

Light stagger is -15% mass

Medium is -25%

And heavy is -50%

Iirc

[proper osprey]

So more staggered they are the more damage I do

[marble crater]

@strong gulch I'm so happy right now

[jovial juniper]

Also
It's interacting with EP

[strong gulch]

Feels good.

[jovial juniper]

So

[proper osprey]

Oh what does that do

[jovial juniper]

The worst choice you can have is

Smite EP with Tacaxe

[proper osprey]

[marble crater]

I guess I will play FGS now for KF snipes

[strong gulch]

EP charged strikes for staff bonk. Don't forget faster melee and warp splitting.

[jovial juniper]

ok maybe I should test with less mass

💀

[subtle temple]

I like being melee psyker

Very fun

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-it-yes-thats-it-that-right-there-omg-that-thats-what-i-mean-gif-17579879

[strong gulch]

I didn't test with a live mission, but my game might be more stable now. I hope.

I could do a true solo mission at least.

[subtle temple]

Anything to improve my psyker build? (I switched brain burst for needles)

[ripe obsidian]

I don't think you need Empyric Resolve with By Crack of Bone

[strong gulch]

agree

[ripe obsidian]

Swap that for Psykinetic's Aura for insane SG uptime

[strong gulch]

def pick up MM (Malefic Momentum)

[marble crater]

1 min clip of sometimes using it just for you

[ripe obsidian]

I also don't think Warp Ghost is a great pick on SG/melee/gun builds. Still good, just not amazing

[strong gulch]

Also having a definsive node is great, but ifyou never take damage who cares.

[jovial juniper]

I picked Chained Deathblow but I think I can make this even crazier with Deathblow

[subtle temple]

What would you suggest?

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/one-peak-one-piece-one-piece-cry-its-so-peak-gif-13413926760013023520

[subtle temple]

For the replacement

[ripe obsidian]

Malefic Momentum is quite good.

@strong gulch What think ye of this Voidstrike/SG build for the guide?

[strong gulch]

Just notice that the button icon for blitz (D-pad down) looks like a printer.

[ripe obsidian]

Debating dropping JaD for Battle Meditation

To help keep peril down

[pale prairie]

I could see that on voidstrike

One of the few staves I think battle meditation actually is worth it

[marble crater]

true, I also forgot that the button is supposed to be d-pad down, I have it and ability on the back paddles

[ripe obsidian]

Since VS wants Precognition more than Reality Anchor, and Empyric Resolve would be a big point tax

[strong gulch]

It looks fine. I would have to play it to know.

Questions that pop up are
-how much is JaD helping vs causing issues with peril?
-is BM needed?
-how will this be without ER?

[pale prairie]

VS is peril hungry but not as bad as EK

[ripe obsidian]

More than anything, JaD won't be working at 100% peril/Warp Unbound

[strong gulch]

I pressed send too early sorry.

[ripe obsidian]

My concern with ER is the point tax to get there

[pale prairie]

Well the real thing is. It’s only helping if you’re taking damage. If you’re taking damage your peril is going up. I dunno. On staff builds I feel like you’re trying to maintain distance so much

[strong gulch]

Yes it is point tax heavy.

[strong gulch]

Yes but little shit do find away.

And VS is prone to getting surrounded.

comparatively

[pale prairie]

Have 10% Dr with 10%+ TDR and high peril typically

Sg giving 20% TDR

[ripe obsidian]

"For your melee weapon, I recommend something like the Force Greatsword to help you cut your way out if you get surrounded. It also benefits pretty significantly from SG and DD."

Is in the opening

[strong gulch]

Ye. I full send FGS with VS.

[ripe obsidian]

I'll put this build in as well, which includes ER

[pale prairie]

Wait how many leftover points you have on this

[ripe obsidian]

0

These aren't the templates

[strong gulch]

What other melee's? I'm not a VS enthusiast. I would yeild to what krieger or deadvoid say tbh.

[marble crater]

Shouldn't yield to Krieger

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/fuck-fuck-you-middle-finger-middle-finger-gif-15294280

[marble crater]

And Void is a Warp Ghost hater, so his opinion is invalid

[ripe obsidian]

I don't put Warp Ghost on SG builds

I think.

[strong gulch]

I would personally be more inclined to do this one.

But in full transparency, the last time I played SG VS, SG couldn't quell on cast.

[ripe obsidian]

I'm gonna put both

[pale prairie]

I would probably run the second one. And I oscillated between Illisi and dueling sword when I ran voidstrike SG but that was the before times

Before the empire

Before FGs

The ER on SG generation is just very good

[zealous wing]

power

[pale prairie]

I need that stamina brother

[strong gulch]

I know there's been talk about warp siphon vs DD for EK LMB.

I wonder if there is a similar logic here.

DD is obviously the one that will buff staff, assail, and melee the most, but how much does SG uptime matter?

IDK how KF changes and psyk's aura changes impact builds.

[ripe obsidian]

I have DD and WS builds for bubble and shriek, but only DD for SG

[pale prairie]

Fuck it I should probably try my build with KD instead of warpghost

[strong gulch]

noooo gibe warpfroth back

lmao

give

gib

[pale prairie]

FECK

[strong gulch]

feck

[pale prairie]

GIBE

https://tenor.com/view/gif-anchorman-gif-24999152

[ripe obsidian]

"Empyric Resolve is a bit of a point tax, but those points (+10% Ranged Damage, Solidity) are both solid pickups for Voidstrike. You still have +20% TDR from Scrier’s Gaze and up to 33% from One with the Warp, so you’re not as much of a glass cannon as you could be. And that’s not even counting the fantastic toughness regen from Soulstealer, Mettle, Souldrinker, SG, and Disrupt Destiny. If you get cornered, you might be in trouble, but you should be pretty well set against chip damage from shooters and sneaky bruisers."

[strong gulch]

Resisting the trans urge to change my name.

[pale prairie]

Also you have 10% TDR as a mandatory node now. So base you have 20% with sg 40%

[strong gulch]

Seems right to me.

[pale prairie]

Maybe have a warning about without warpghost your gens gonna be cut down a bit

[marble crater]

Shouldn't it be "ER requires a bit of a point tax"? ER itself is not the tax

[pale prairie]

So this is more for those who UNDERSTAND POSITIONING find a corner and lay down the hurt

[ripe obsidian]

There's that German precision.

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/here-we-go-again-gif-20238909

[marble crater]

https://tenor.com/view/words-do-matter-denim-richards-yellowstone-its-important-words-are-strong-gif-17784462

[pale prairie]

I WILL NOT BE LECTURED ON MY ENGRISH BY SOME FOREIGNER

[ripe obsidian]

Elaborate?

[pale prairie]

There’s no warp ghost yeah?

Soooo toughness gen from ER is gonna be cut

-30%

[ripe obsidian]

True.

[pale prairie]

If these guides are for newbies they should be aware this is a blast from the past glass cannon build

But I think ER is worth it and the 10% ranged damage node necessary

It absolutely is good to have KD on it for this reason

[wind spruce]

Surely just drop KD for warp ghost

[pale prairie]

I almost want to recommend Dueling Sword parry

[wind spruce]

KD isn't that necessary with 3 stam, and warp ghost IS that necessary with ER

[pale prairie]

He doesn’t like warp ghost on SG builds

[strong gulch]

If DS parry, I do rec KD then.

[pale prairie]

Would help in this build cause you want to find walls and corners to line up long billiards shots

[ripe obsidian]

I think KD is a fantastic node, and if you're already going for DD then it's an easy choice.

[pale prairie]

Sometimes bosses come to bully you. Assail should be able to handle horses

[strong gulch]

I might be a decent guineapig for the VS builds.

[pale prairie]

You heard me

[wind spruce]

I agree that it's fantastic but it doesn't outweigh warp ghost when you have ER imo

[pale prairie]

Herds of horses will come for you

[strong gulch]

EP SG VS is very point hungry.

[pale prairie]

Maybe it’s an optional node

[strong gulch]

That's the issue.

[pale prairie]

Leave it up to the player

KD vs warp ghost

[strong gulch]

But also coming up with a template for a core build with branching options.

[pale prairie]

I think have a base skeleton with a couple of decision points isn’t too difficult

[ripe obsidian]

Well, assuming all of your toughness-over-time sources are up, you have:

• +2.5% per second from Mettle
• +3% per second from Souldrinker
• +2.5% per second from SG
• +10% per second from DD

So 18% per second, minus 30%, is still 12.6% per second. And another 5%-ish per kill from Soulstealer.

I think toughness generation is still fine

[pale prairie]

You are pro

Remember that a bunch of people never played psyker cause too squish

[jovial juniper]

Aka poor fundamentals

[ripe obsidian]

I make templates for every build. D:

Well, except SG Voidblast

[pale prairie]

Yeah people like that exist!

And those people usually ask for builds!

“Alright give me meta”

[wind spruce]

I'm just gonna agree so I can further justify dropping it and warp rider from gunker

[pale prairie]

You did do inferno sg

[ripe obsidian]

This has 4 points spare. Is my base template idea. I can't justify dropping any of these nodes.

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, but I think that's better than SG Voidblast

[pale prairie]

Lmao

Truth

[royal totem]

Damn. Calling me out

[pale prairie]

No I think that’s plenty. I see these as training wheels. So 30 decision points are too much for you newbie? Then we will limit it to 4 but it at least starts teaching you how to plan and build yourself

[jovial juniper]

You said it

[royal totem]

Im joking xD

[royal totem]

I cant survive on psyker without every single defense node though panic (this is a joke.)

[pale prairie]

HEY I HAVE EVERY SINGLE NODE

[royal totem]

Wait you do? Thought you dont have quietude

[strong gulch]

Seems reasonable imo.

[pale prairie]

ALRIGHT I DONT HAVE THAT ONE

[proper osprey]

The only new nodes I take for defense are just a dream and warp ghost

[royal totem]

I want to make a trash tier meme build.

[pale prairie]

SMITE

[strong gulch]

Game?

[zealous wing]

game?

[strong gulch]

🙏

I got a staff I'm bad at to try.

[rancid geyser]

you!

[zealous wing]

i am really fuckin cold in here, and havent been awake long

[rancid geyser]

im stealing you!

[royal totem]

Ok im gonna take every defense node in a build when i get home

[zealous wing]

dehumidifier is running to warm up the room and the PC is on

[strong gulch]

May darktide heat your PC enough to warm you

[rancid geyser]

shiiit...

i just might

[zealous wing]

i could light a log on fire but that'd be a bit much for it not being winter yet

[strong gulch]

If you're cold then you're cold.

[zealous wing]

ye but im not freezing to DEATH

if the power drops again tho i 100% am putting a couple logs on

[pastel bough]

just wear more layers

[zealous wing]

its norway, that isnt always the answer

[strong gulch]

rice in a sock

heat it up

[pastel bough]

lmao i figured, im in Aus so it doesnt drop below 9c

[strong gulch]

hot water bottle

[marble crater]

Imagine you say this right before freezing to death

[zealous wing]

ye hot water is being contemplated

[strong gulch]

self warming matte

Styrofoam to insulate your feet

[marble crater]

Pets

[zealous wing]

not allowed to have pets 😔

[fierce crest]

dip yourself in rubber cement

[marble crater]

I always knew Norway was a hell hole

[zealous wing]

no its the landlords >:(

they have a dog, but dont want us having a dog

[pastel bough]

that is big sad

[zealous wing]

its even sadder because, i had a dog :(

[marble crater]

Here it's illegal for the landlord to not allow you to have pets

[pastel bough]

oh no, sad backstory 😭

[marble crater]

Your landlord sucks

[sinful tinsel]

okay I should not have been scared of scrier lmao

This is great

[pale prairie]

Alright fine point for Germany

[junior linden]

Haven't played psyker in a bit, heard they indirectly nerfed the electro staff is this true

[royal totem]

Im too coward to play meleeker 🙁

I see 3 crushers come at me and my reaction is to pull out ranged and try to kill thrm

[sinful tinsel]

Yes

Source: was my build lmao

[marble crater]

Depends on how long it's been since you player psyker. They removed quell cancel as a mechanic

So if you used that, nerfed, if you didn't, you couldn't care less and all is the same

[sinful tinsel]

Also god laspistol is big funny

[marble crater]

https://tenor.com/view/why-are-you-weak-hatred-itachi-uchiha-sasuke-uchiha-naruto-gif-14613300

[sinful tinsel]

I like spellswords in other games too much to not be a melee psyker

I saw the force greatsword was getting added back when it came out and went 'real shit?'

[subtle temple]

Should I replace my las pistol with anything?

[proper osprey]

Try hitting them

Das what I do

[subtle temple]

https://tenor.com/view/omniman-invincible-pathetic-gif-27565015

[royal totem]

Ok! pokes them with my inferno staff didnt do much

[marble crater]

Only if you want to use a different gun I guess, vraks and reconlas are both great options as well

[pale prairie]

You can do it

[junior linden]

Yeah I knew about that, I just mean in terms of numbers (I never used quell cancel because I'm employed)

[subtle temple]

What’s the vraks?

[junior linden]

Darn.

[marble crater]

Infantry autogun

[marble crater]

Then no

[pale prairie]

Alright I need the warp ghost

[subtle temple]

Oh that

Ew

[sinful tinsel]

Me when I accidentally spread misinfo on the internet

[pale prairie]

Recon las but it’s basically fast firing las pistol

[pale prairie]

Hp buffs breaking break points?

[marble crater]

@pale prairiedid you spread the misinformation that EK was nerfed?

[pale prairie]

It was nerfed by not being buffed

[marble crater]

In that case every weapon was nerfed though

[strong gulch]

@ripe obsidian @pale prairie I just tried the build with no ER. Peril gen felt fine.

[marble crater]

No ER?

[strong gulch]

managment

[marble crater]

Why must you hurt me so

[strong gulch]

SG

[proper osprey]

Live footage of wardens looking in zealot chat and Hank asking “what have y’all done now”

[pale prairie]

Huh but again my argument is that newbies won’t have your experience

[marble crater]

Should I check zealot chat?

[sinful tinsel]

I said 'yes it got nerfed source; it was my build and I hate it now'

XD

[celest valve]

generally damage goes from lowest to highest: horizontal sweeps, diagonal, almost vertical diagonal, uppercut, strike down, thrust

[strong gulch]

I got that, just saying as an almost newb

[pale prairie]

Not really there was a melee buff that didn’t exist earlier.

[celest valve]

this assumes that you hit the weak point mind you, there's otherwise a few exceptions such as thrust tends to have less damage than strikedown without weakpoint hitting

[marble crater]

99% of weapons were nerfed

[pale prairie]

Inferno gets warpghost to prevent peril loss and souldrinker

[celest valve]

and diagonals tend to have higher precision too than the horizontals

[pale prairie]

Bruh you have like 1000+ true level on psyker lmao

[marble crater]

Flak/Elite doesn't feel bad on EK

[ripe obsidian]

How's this look for talent ranking?

@pale prairie @strong gulch

[marble crater]

Spread out across 10 psykers though

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[pale prairie]

That doesn’t change total playtime

[celest valve]

this works with damage too kinda :x explosive damage, for example, tends to have low precision damage, fairly average damage, but tends to have high armor penetration?

[marble crater]

What do the colors mean?

[pale prairie]

German can English but not math

[pale prairie]

Green is good yellow is maybe red is bad

[marble crater]

It changes the individual experience of each psyker

[celest valve]

very slashy type damage tends to be good vs flak off memory. blunt damage is similar to explosive. uhhhhh

[pale prairie]

You’re saying it’s inflated?

[idle valve]

yeah though about all the attacks are diagonal. it was just if the charged attack was enough dps to differ from l1 l2 l3 bc

[pale prairie]

It’s still fucking high

[ripe obsidian]

Blue/green = great
Yellow = good, but better choices
Orange = preference

[celest valve]

light attacks tend to always have significantly less damage than heavy attacks

generally, if the heavy attack is an attack favorable for what you are trying to do(more vertical = better for single targets, generally), you should always use a heavy attack

[marble crater]

No, I am saying that the 500 true level psyker is being played better than the 100 true level psyker, to keep things accurate
also that's not green

[celest valve]

with the sole exception of light animation cancels as heavies tend to have a long time until it can transition into another heavy

[pastel bough]

yeah thats cyan 😭

[sinful tinsel]

What am I gonna want on my greatsword and laspistol for the scriers build

I assume for the sword I want strength scaling with peril and Infernus on the pistol

[celest valve]

but of course above all else: do what feels natural to you lmao

none of this matters if you feel like one is easier for you than the other

[royal totem]

@pale prairie is shock maul super bad on psyker

[pale prairie]

its'......mid

[marble crater]

okay. I don't really play gaze so I have nothing to add

[pale prairie]

as a secondary weapon probably fun but you gotta get charged strike

[celest valve]

the zealot two hander relic sword, the second one you get, is an example of this I think. Theoretically it's better to do swing swing heavy swing heavy swing, but it's actually easier and more natural to spam heavy swings which has a thrust as the third attack. but that's actualyl the higher DPS combo for hordes!

[celest valve]

it i recall did get buffed so

[royal totem]

Heavy swings feel unnatural to me

[pale prairie]

thats why i said mid

[celest valve]

as a reminder you don't actually need to hold down the button for the entire time

[pale prairie]

YOU KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS! We do an auric run with one to see what you think

[royal totem]

You dont?

[celest valve]

you actually only need to hold it for anywhere up to half a second, depending on the weapon.

that'll immediately release the heavy attack input at the shortest possible time

[royal totem]

If only i was home 🙁

[celest valve]

(usualyl somewhere between 0.1 to 0.3 seconds, I think)

(i think it's actualy 0.1 seconds for most weapons but don't quote me on this :x)

[random spruce]

@ripe obsidian are you around?

[marsh badger]

there's alot of SG builds you can get away without warp unbound but I think tried an SG/DD VS build before the peril gen was crazy high and you needed that 10s to be able to DPS freely

[royal totem]

If you see me play combat knife i push attack a lot instead of heavy

[pale prairie]

its okay its vacation

[pale prairie]

isn't that what you are supposed to do?

[celest valve]

at the cost of 4% Peril, they gain significantly increased Riposte attack strength. ...psykers also have use warp instead of stamina for block hmmmmmmmm

[royal totem]

Wouldnt know. Just feels natural

[celest valve]

that's optimal lol

heavy attacks on the knife are for speed boosts

[royal totem]

I think i want to switch to DS or shock maul though

[celest valve]

but that's a fast weapon so you have very fast heavy attacks

just practice in the psykarium. See how brief of a button press you need for a heavy attack.

[marble crater]

(It is)

[royal totem]

Movement feels so good on combat knife but

Stabbing a crusher to death with it takes a while it feels

[celest valve]

it's optimal to do a 'long tap' for heavy attacks in every case.... except knife when you want to move faster, aaaaand for thrust blessings :p

where the first stage of damage increase happens at 0.01 seconds after minimum release time lol

that blessing is actually far better than most people think btw, especially on the dueling sword where it only takes like... 0.3s of extra time for the maximum +60% off memory?

[royal totem]

DS heavies felt somewhat natural but oml i cant get used to THammer on zealot for example

[celest valve]

yeah well THammer is one of the worst coded weapons in the game so that makes sense :p

[royal totem]

I know some love it but its not for me

[celest valve]

they love it because of what it can do, not how it feels lmao

no other weapon can oneshot daemons on the highest difficulty

[white sky]

I thought thrust was the default on DS for everyone?

[ripe obsidian]

oh, right, I was gonna get you ADMs

[pastel bough]

yeah the damage is great, doesnt feel good

[white sky]

Not like default to use, just default as a blessing choice

[strong gulch]

not on VS tho. nearly newb

[white sky]

Im a big bad ds hater tbh

[celest valve]

uncertain tbh

[white sky]

Idk why you wouldnt use it

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/what-surprised-gif-25739412

[white sky]

All you do is heavy attack with it

[marble crater]

Voidstrike bad

[celest valve]

so say it takes 0.3s to fully charge a DS heavy

[strong gulch]

I don't like the staff so I never use it.

[white sky]

Idk if its "full" but its defo most of the way there

[celest valve]

you get no benefit unless you hold the attack button for exactly 0.31s, at which point you get +20% damage

by fully charge I mean it releasing at the shortest possible moment. You only 'need' to hold the button for 0.1s, but you have to release the heavy key just after for the maximum effect. Despite that 0.01s being effectively nothing in terms of attack speed.

[white sky]

Nah ik what you're saying, cause thrust is reliant on how long your charge is held for

[celest valve]

You need to hold it for 0.46s for two stacks, whcih is +40% damage. And 0.61s for three stacks(off memory) for +60% damage.

[strong gulch]

This looks good.

[white sky]

I thought it was reliant on the weapon itself?

[celest valve]

yeah this depends on the weapon afaik, most weapons are 0.2s per stack off memory thus 0.41s of extra attack time for 3 stacks

dueling sword is particularly fast so 0.15s

[white sky]

Ik 2 stacks on DS barely feels like anything

Im not like

Going off hard math tho, unlike yourself

[celest valve]

heavy attacks tend to take about a full second for the full windup and execution

(they also don't benefit from attack speed for most of it :x)

[royal totem]

I think ive also said i heavily favor fast weapons and THammer is...not

[white sky]

Nope

[royal totem]

Used to play taxe zealot

And taxe pysker

[white sky]

I like slower weapons and I dont even like TH fwiw to you

[celest valve]

yeah again thammer is like... well basically it doesn't have the same attention and care put into it as, say, force greatsword

[white sky]

They should redo hammer and make it more like Pickaxe imho

[celest valve]

charging the hammer enters a special animation state, which is why being touched at all entering even a light stagger state cancels you out of it

[white sky]

3 marks that are basically "pick the one you prefer"

Good movesets

Fun to use

[royal totem]

Oddly enough...

I like pickaxe

[white sky]

Its an exceptionally well designed weapon

[royal totem]

I pretend im plsying minecradt!

Only....the resources are heretics

[white sky]

Feels like DRG

We ever get GSC in this game and it might really feel like DRG with that thing

[royal totem]

DRG?

[white sky]

Deep Rock Galactic

[royal totem]

Ah.

[white sky]

https://tenor.com/view/deep-rock-galactic-rock-and-stone-gif-22047860

[royal totem]

I want a really long spear or something weapon.

namely cuz spears cool

[young cliff]

Holly lasertag

[jovial juniper]

Nothing to be scared of

[young cliff]

6 snoiper campers

[jovial juniper]

I then got shot by 3 plasma gunners and died

[random spruce]

yes sir, did you ever see those?

[ripe obsidian]

compiling now

[jovial juniper]

Forgot to disable healthbars
That shit tanked my frames

Also yeah I gotta say
Charged Strike EP Smite Perfect Strike Hsword

Kinda meh

[thorn cedar]

I think you mean

new meta

[jovial juniper]

If literally any other weapon had perfect strike

[ripe obsidian]

what

I tried to post the ADMs and it got blocked.

"This can't be posted because it contains content blocked by this server. This may also be viewed by server owners."

[thorn cedar]

this goes all the way to the top

[ripe obsidian]

<@&735928989146939404> do you know why this got blocked? It's just armor types and their ADM %s

[marble crater]

Ban incoming

[ripe obsidian]

D:

[pale prairie]

I'll miss you 5

I mean 6

[celest valve]

eh five or six, doesn't matter

[marble crater]

Already forgot the name, damn

[pale prairie]

was he called 7?

[royal totem]

8?

[pale prairie]

I'll make sure the guide gets changed so his name is remembered for all eternity

[marble crater]

Nein

[royal totem]

Clearly psyker only discord needed

[verbal thistle]

@ripe obsidian peril of the warp only psyker

I did not shoot gun besides like 4 snipers

and only melee bosses

[marble crater]

Maybe an @ or % somewhere unfortunate that would result in an unlucky ping or command?

[royal totem]

Damn. Wtfm

[proper osprey]

Big BOOM

5 big booms

[marble crater]

Enjoy it before CW gets fixed

[proper osprey]

What does it do

I know you don’t take damage if you kill a elite

[marble crater]

There are several different bugs, one bug gives you corruption without exploding, another bug gives you no corruption even if you don't kill anything

[proper osprey]

Guh

Allah here I come

[marble crater]

It's a very versatile buggy talent

[elfin roost]

AM6 will release before I need to upgrade from my 7600x 🔥

[royal totem]

I want to get am6

Just never an asrock board

[ripe obsidian]

you have visited doom upon your foes

[fluid forge]

automod didn't like the big wall of text

[random spruce]

make the automaod submit

[fluid forge]

I don't have those perms I'm afraid

[random spruce]

My beloved says you deserve those perms. My beloved says you should take those perms by force >:D

[ripe obsidian]

Unfortunate.

I shall break it into chunks.

Assail:
Unarmored - 100%
Flak - 75%
Unyielding - 50%
Maniac - 100%
Carapace - 5%
Infested - 75%
Void Shield - 75%

Electrokinetic, Voidblast, and Voidstrike LMB:
Unarmored - 100%
Flak - 100%
Unyielding - 60%
Maniac - 100%
Carapace - 10%
Infested - 100%
Void Shield - 60%

Electrokinetic RMB (main damage):

Unarmored - 100%
Flak - 100%
Unyielding - 100%
Maniac - 100%
Carapace - 90%
Infested - 100%
Void Shield - 75%

Electrokinetic RMB (interval damage):

Unarmored - 75%
Flak - 75%
Unyielding - 100%
Maniac - 100%
Carapace - 50%
Infested - 75%
Void Shield - 75%

Inferno LMB and RMB:
Unarmored - 200%
Flak - 175%
Unyielding - 200%
Maniac - 250%
Carapace - 25%
Infested - 150%
Void Shield - 100%

Soulblaze:
Unarmored - 150%
Flak - 150%
Unyielding - 150%
Maniac - 100%
Carapace - 10%
Infested - 125%
Void Shield - 100%

Voidblast RMB (center blast):
Unarmored - 100%
Flak - 100%
Unyielding - 100%
Maniac - 100%
Carapace - 100%
Infested - 75%
Void Shield - 75%

Voidblast RMB (outer blast):
Unarmored - 100%
Flak - 75%
Unyielding - 100%
Maniac - 100%
Carapace - 25%
Infested - 75%
Void Shield - 75%

Voidstrike RMB:
Unarmored - 100%
Flak - 100%
Unyielding - 100%
Maniac - 100%
Carapace - 75%
Infested - 100%
Void Shield - 200%

Source: https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/473a8e97ee69ae3603a3333402b72255f7a036ff/scripts/settings/equipment/weapon_templates/force_staffs/settings_templates/force_staff_damage_profile_templates.lua

[fringe harbor]

vent or shriek for electro staff

[ripe obsidian]

Vent and Shriek are the same

[fringe harbor]

i mean gaze

vent or gaze

[ripe obsidian]

Okay, SG Voidstrike is added to the guide, as are ADMs. I'll work on EK next.

[ripe obsidian]

Both are good. I prefer venting shriek, as it gives you more AoE and horde clear. Plus the cooldown should be very short with Psykinetic's Aura

[rancid geyser]

you telling me if i want to hate on carapace with VB i CAN?!

[strong gulch]

Shriek (creeping glames assumed) for EK RMB

SG for EK LMB

[ripe obsidian]

Voidblast is pretty blasty, yes.

[strong gulch]

Thanks for ADMs

[ripe obsidian]

Happy to help. I think I got everything.

Oh, I missed BB

[rancid geyser]

rending shockwave nexus?

[strong gulch]

No more big gaming. A few games made me feel rather unwell.

[fierce crest]

https://tenor.com/view/death-stranding-bb-bb-28-lou-sam-gif-17312171591157573563

[zealous wing]

how does the 2nd happen? havent heard it before

[ripe obsidian]

Brain Burst/Brain Rupture:
Unarmored - 100%
Flak - 100%
Unyielding - 125%
Maniac - 150%
Carapace - 100%
Infested - 100%
Void Shield - 100%

Added.

Does anyone know offhand if smite does the same general damage to all enemy types? It looks like it, but the name is weird, so I am second-guessing myself.

    ignore_hitzone_multiplier = true,
    ignore_stagger_reduction = true,
    random_gib_hitzone = true,
    stagger_category = "melee",
    armor_damage_modifier = {
        attack = {
            [armor_types.unarmored] = damage_lerp_values.lerp_1,
            [armor_types.armored] = damage_lerp_values.lerp_1,
            [armor_types.resistant] = damage_lerp_values.lerp_1,
            [armor_types.player] = damage_lerp_values.lerp_1,
            [armor_types.berserker] = damage_lerp_values.lerp_1,
            [armor_types.super_armor] = damage_lerp_values.lerp_1,
            [armor_types.disgustingly_resilient] = damage_lerp_values.lerp_1,
            [armor_types.void_shield] = damage_lerp_values.lerp_1,
        },```

[strong gulch]

@jovial juniper might know about smite adms

[lapis fern]

With inferno staff do weak spots get considered for damage or it doesn’t matter if I were to only shoot at heretic toes?

[jovial juniper]

(keep in mind it's slightly outdated)

[ripe obsidian]

I think Inferno can technically hit weak points, but not positive. I would have to test.

[jovial juniper]

I think I forgot someone with flak

💀

pretty sure its dealing carapace damage to the scab rager

so body?

because hes the same 10 mass as mauler

and mauler is flak body

although

dreg gunner is flak torse, reaper is flak torso

Flak and Unarmored is pretty much the same

[rancid geyser]

thought for hits that do not target they always take the armour type of cernter mass

shouldn't it be flak?

actually i could just check

[strong gulch]

Where smite, EK RMB, etc hit reapers is unyielding.

[ripe obsidian]

it varies from damage type to damage type

[rancid geyser]

BB is always head modifyers

but for the smites im pretty sure its always flak on maulers at least

time to see myself be wrong

[strong gulch]

There's armor on the chest and then there's base armor.

[rancid geyser]

yup flak

[strong gulch]

So EK LMB could hit one type and DoTs hit another.

edit: I said RMB and I meant LMB. Would have been simpler to just say "shoot it".

[jovial juniper]

Yeah smite is hitting for Unyielding on Reaper

[rancid geyser]

oh for the flamers in flak armour it tags them as maniac

[jovial juniper]

But if you use a gun to shoot reapers torso

It'll say flak

[thorn cedar]

look man the warp is a spooky thing

[rancid geyser]

such a weird game

[sturdy reef]

they gonna change either inferno or SB ADM's

POTS meta

[rancid geyser]

scab ragers are carapace

cursed

[sturdy reef]

funnily enough

their base armor still counts as flak for dots

[strong gulch]

cara for some things

on in spirit for others

[jovial juniper]

I guess they fixed Scab Center Mass counting as flak

(?)

[rancid geyser]

makes me want to keep cara on my EK now

[sturdy reef]

no

its still flak

[rancid geyser]

i have both on my staff lmao

EK smite counts scab flamer as maniac as well, its just weird man

[jovial juniper]

Ok so

Soulblaze counts Scab Rager as Flak

Smite counts Scab Rager as carapace

[strong gulch]

DoT vs not

[rancid geyser]

SB says cara for me

[buoyant maple]

They’re flak base armor type (DOT) but carapace center mass (explosion)

[jovial juniper]

Yes that says carapace

But I'm currently using a grey inferno

[strong gulch]

Yes. Says but again there's a difference between chest armor and base armor. Also a difference between DoTs and non-DoTs.

[jovial juniper]

Apply a bit of Soulblaze

Then swap to a melee with +flak

[rancid geyser]

i had both on my weapon and the dot didnt change lmao

matter of fact it went down fromt he stacks falling

what sorcery is going on there?

[jovial juniper]

[kind jay]

a mutant grabbed me and ran into the big fan in relay station

[rancid geyser]

LMAO

[jovial juniper]

🫵

[rancid geyser]

you will be remembered

[zealous wing]

i hope you clipped it

i hope youre able to

[rancid geyser]

its okay, I got gangbanged because of one

ty hexis for the clip

i figured why i died later that day

frigin unlucky

[zealous wing]

😔

ive got serious brain fog, bored out of my mind

bored enough to make another psyker and level it up

but i dont need a 4th

[jovial juniper]

Ok I think that's enough testing for me today

[rancid geyser]

i need to know why damage increase worked for you and not me

[zealous wing]

might be bored enough to level my zealot or ogryn

[rancid geyser]

do it

we can martyrs together

[zealous wing]

he's level 18

[rancid geyser]

DO IT!

[zealous wing]

and i hate playing both

[rancid geyser]

Time to read

the entire tree

[strong gulch]

@zealous wing Look what happened to me tonight.

Like stop bro.

I feel like we should do this in private or something.

[rancid geyser]

i wouldnt mind

probably never touching shroudfield again tho

[zealous wing]

so far away

[rancid geyser]

its okay there is a lot of damage along the way

[strong gulch]

I can't help with zealot things.

[zealous wing]

neither can i im just

i fucked up so bad on psyker tonight

so many times

😔

[strong gulch]

sadge

[rancid geyser]

its okay, you had a zealot to wory about because they were blocking with their face

[zealous wing]

i went down 4 times last match

[woeful sigil]

whats the most bosses you've had spawn at the same time, I just got wrecked by 5 or 6 yesterday

[zealous wing]

2 to peril

[strong gulch]

I think I've had 7. Havoc of course.

[strong gulch]

The last game we played I nearly periled myself so many times. Felt.

I did at least twice that run.

[woeful sigil]

idk how you guys do it at havoc 40, I'm getting wrecked at 20 and I am stacked on toughness damage reduction

[zealous wing]

dont get hit

the psyker motto

[rancid geyser]

lies

[woeful sigil]

I don't wanna blame my team but they always go down first then I'm stuck soloing

[rancid geyser]

if you get hit the warp will protect

[zealous wing]

then that IS your teams fault

[kind jay]

i did not im sorry :(

[zealous wing]

rip

[graceful arch]

Finding teammates who won't go down in 2 seconds is part of the havoc journey ™

Luckily havoc 20 is still within the range where you can solo it with a good success rate if you are good enough.

Havoc 40 you just have to hope your teammates are gonna pull their weight and not make mistakes at critical moments

[zealous wing]

ah here i thought i was fanatic

its agitator

fanatic is the old guy

shows how little i know zealot

[graceful arch]

I play fanatic aswell

Love my slightly heretical boy.

Skulls for the golden throne.

[narrow herald]

does this mean toughness or health damage taken?

[rancid geyser]

any hit

🙂

[graceful arch]

Gunners now give free peril

[narrow herald]

so is this a must take?

[zealous wing]

its also bugged

[rancid geyser]

its probably better if you cant keep high peril

but i pref OwTW

[zealous wing]

if youre at 100% peril it knocks you to 97 if you get hit

made it really hard to suipsyker

[graceful arch]

It's 25% dr while below critical peril so.

[zealous wing]

every time i tried to throw an assail to blow up something would hit me again

[graceful arch]

That bug sounds very helpful lol

[zealous wing]

its not ideal for specific situations but its fine

[narrow herald]

is this still bugged?

[zealous wing]

wdym bugged

[narrow herald]

didnt work at all

[rancid geyser]

PoTS use to not work at all iirc

[strong gulch]

No. Fixed awhile ago.

[rancid geyser]

it works now

[strong gulch]

Still bad

[narrow herald]

lets fucking goooo

[narrow herald]

but with rotten

[rancid geyser]

its only really useable on EK imo

rotten still makes your life hell tho

[zealous wing]

k my zealot is ready i think

he's been dripified

[strong gulch]

It only really helps assail

[rancid geyser]

it 100% helps EK, m2

and M1 actually

[zealous wing]

cant say anything about his skill tree though

[rancid geyser]

legit can kill crushers decently enough with it

[zealous wing]

so i took bedtime stories because, i know (i think) i can at least time it well to be helpful

[strong gulch]

Not really. ADMs are already at like 100% for most things. So it is a SMALL boost.

[rancid geyser]

though technically it being 20% rending means its like a net 5% increased damage against every other enemy if i remember the math

[ripe obsidian]

Electrokinetic, Voidblast, and Voidstrike LMB:
Unarmored - 100%
Flak - 100%
Unyielding - 60%
Maniac - 100%
Carapace - 10%
Infested - 100%
Void Shield - 60%

Electrokinetic RMB (main damage):

Unarmored - 100%
Flak - 100%
Unyielding - 100%
Maniac - 100%
Carapace - 90%
Infested - 100%
Void Shield - 75%

[rancid geyser]

still increases my ttk on Crushers

[narrow herald]

im trying to see if pyro staff can punch thru cara atm 🤔

[rancid geyser]

stating that is does nothing is just factually incorrect

we can collectively say there are probably better choices

[strong gulch]

No one said it does nothing.

[rancid geyser]

no

bro, why malice?!

oh

[narrow herald]

huh?

[rancid geyser]

dwdw

[ripe obsidian]

Flak, maniac, unyielding, carapace. Not unarmored or infested. And only 5% at 100% peril. 2.5% at 50%, for example. Minimal.

[royal totem]

@ripe obsidian i may be asking a dumb question but why did you put main damage next to EK rmb

Idk the diff between the main damage vs interval

[ripe obsidian]

If I understand correctly, the interval damage is the damage to the secondary target as well as the little ticks of damage before the big zap

[rancid geyser]

in a game but the value it gets for cara is not 5%

[royal totem]

Ahh got it

[ripe obsidian]

It is 10% ADM at 50% peril, yes, then another 2.5% at 100% peril. So 11.1% damage increase, I believe, at 50% peril. It is a small increase. I do not think that PotS is worth picking solely for increasing carapace damage. There are better tools, and better uses of the talent point.

[nocturne dust]

Only if you don't full charge RMBs

You better be very precise with that charge timing

[narrow herald]

is Pen of soul good on inferno? 🤔

[rancid geyser]

only staff id take it on is EK but if you value other talents dont

already been sused out by ppl saying OwtW was the weakest of the 3 defensive nodes in the middle

so i dont really agree with some of the views

[jovial juniper]

No

[sturdy reef]

it only affects cara ADM, but not significantly enough so no

[plucky flax]

Nein

[sturdy reef]

the other ADM's are already very high

just stack SB on the crusher then switch to melee with uncanny

will do much better

[pale prairie]

Nope

[narrow herald]

is immaterial focus a required node?

[sturdy reef]

nah

[pale prairie]

it is nice but not required

the stun immunity is cool

[sturdy reef]

I like it better than JaD tbh

but JaD lets you progress the tree so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rancid geyser]

stun immunity is very valuable

and it coming along with dr is nice

[royal totem]

@pale prairie why is OwtW bad

[pale prairie]

I don't think it is personally but it takes monitoring and doesn't get alot of value if you are quelling alot

[rancid geyser]

its 10% base TDR tho no?

[pale prairie]

yep

[royal totem]

Ah. May not be my cup of tea

[rancid geyser]

and always goes up

[sturdy reef]

its just TDR tho

[rancid geyser]

the diff between the 3 is one is 25% dr for everything but can limi peril use, the other requires 98% peril to get immunity and the last just needs you to play to get 10-20% Toughness DR

[sturdy reef]

not DR

[rancid geyser]

TDR is valuable

[strong gulch]

If you stay around 70% ish or more, you get most of OwtW.

[rancid geyser]

you generate so much

[sturdy reef]

psyker just gets DR now tho

its better

not saying TDR is bad

[strong gulch]

You should be around that or higher anyways.

But I totally get it not being someone's preference or something

[royal totem]

I would be. If i wasnt bad

Its a simple unskilled player prob.

[nocturne dust]

It kinda is tho

33% TDR or 10%/25% general DR? General DR is a lot better, especially when it comes to surviving the real problems in Havoc

[rancid geyser]

gunna go ahead and say just a dream is the actual worst

simply because it limits the peril you are allowed to gen with safety

[nocturne dust]

It is if you constantly edge like a maniac

But protip for all you edgers out there: non-edging exists

[rancid geyser]

doesnt mean its not the most limiting

[nocturne dust]

Not edging also opens up a lot of points for you

[rancid geyser]

the other 2 you just have to play the game ot get benefits

[thorn cedar]

doesnt matter for assail

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, but it's also the heftiest DR

[rancid geyser]

OwTW is the strongest DR

[nocturne dust]

it's TDR

which is a lot worse

[rancid geyser]

just a dream would be more consistent

not the same thing

[nocturne dust]

If it was 33% DR max, I'd agree. It's not.

[rancid geyser]

you could easily get more than 25% dr for most of a run with it

[nocturne dust]

TDR

[rancid geyser]

you will never get more than 25% with just a dream

TDR is still DR

[nocturne dust]

and also, not really

most people aren't going to be edging insanely hard like a maniac

[nocturne dust]

Sure, for toughness. DR affecting health is important.

[rancid geyser]

goal of the game is to lose a little health possible so you dont inevitably inconvenience your team and can get the win

[nocturne dust]

General DR has much more value

[nocturne dust]

Eh

[rancid geyser]

you would be wise to keep you peril at 80 ish already

[pale prairie]

you aren't bad just still learning

[nocturne dust]

Goal of the game is to win, actually

[nocturne dust]

Wise? No, not really

[royal totem]

I sometimes still empty my peril ._.

[rancid geyser]

there are already other things that you benefit from having higher Peril as well

[nocturne dust]

Considering I handle h40 fairly readily and I only bounce between 50 and 100 peril, edging is very much a meta munchkin thing, and I say that as a (somewhat relaxed) meta munchkin

[rancid geyser]

stuff that dont get as much uptime if you are fucking up with just a dream

[zealous wing]

i completely missed what you'd said on comms last mission, something about hp

[rancid geyser]

you handling shit doesnt make your opinion an end all be all

[nocturne dust]

Yours isn't either

[rancid geyser]

if someone else get to complete h40 and say otherwise tf do you say then?

pretty idiotic and i generally value you opinions

[nocturne dust]

I'm not saying anything other than you don't have to play the way you are saying you should

[rancid geyser]

that statement was just kinda dumb

[nocturne dust]

I think you're just misconstruing my statements

[rancid geyser]

all im saying is when im watch agent, or anyone else yall are legit sitting at 70-80 peril

like thats already around where the 25% dr point is

since yall said WoTW scales linearly till 100%

[nocturne dust]

Well, yeah, the majority of psykers in this Discord are edgers

but Discord players are a strange bunch

[zealous wing]

to be honest

[rancid geyser]

the only case where i think just a dream is actually better is on gun or melee psyker not actually using the peril

[royal totem]

Hey deadvoid can i ask you a question?

[zealous wing]

peril edging and martyrdom zealot playstyle is very similar

both make us liabilities

[nocturne dust]

Sure

[rancid geyser]

actually i cant knock that XD

so are all low level characters locked into lower level diff @zealous wing ?

[zealous wing]

ye

[royal totem]

Can i dm you it? I really dun wanna ask here.

[rancid geyser]

i dont remember having to do this on my ogryn and arby

[zealous wing]

new characters, new progression to auric

[nocturne dust]

Feel free to do so

[zealous wing]

but i hate zealot and ogryn so taking them to heresy is a rough switch

[nocturne dust]

kinda tho

[zealous wing]

i literally just want them lvl 30 so hestia stops bothering me

on malice, i can play how i play as psyker, but if i do heresy, i die, easy

[nocturne dust]

also, again, TDR is not DR

[zealous wing]

because, zealot boi is sqishy

[rancid geyser]

wait

if i hosted could it not drag you higher?

[zealous wing]

you could take me to auric, but i would decline

[rancid geyser]

damnation?

[zealous wing]

nope

[nocturne dust]

TDR is valuable, but I'd much rather have 25% DR than 33% TDR. There are things that can crunch through toughness. Your health is always there to take the hit.

[zealous wing]

as i said, even heresy is pushing it for me

brain fog plus a class i fuckin hate, not fun

[rancid geyser]

oof

[nocturne dust]

and the general DR affects both so... 🤤

[zealous wing]

but also

why not both >:D

owtw plus jad makes mega tank

its quite fun

[nocturne dust]

I've done an omega tank with all the defensive nodes + inferno

lol, Inferno just works so it's quite effective

[zealous wing]

hehe

arson, we love it here

[nocturne dust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1313803542196391936/elmopsyker.gif

[rancid geyser]

JaD is beef, but will make you blow yourself up if you don't micro, while with all the toughness gen you have already its not hard to get similar DR with just toughness

i just dontn think OwTW is the weakest of the 3

[nocturne dust]

I haven't come close to blowing myself up with JaD, personally

[zealous wing]

i dont use jad on my staves, but i could, i gotta stop blowing up normally first though again

[rancid geyser]

the 10% dr, imo would be the weakest, even with the stun immunity

[nocturne dust]

Maybe it could have a safety period after you get hit, but I don't need it personally

[rancid geyser]

i use it with VB and scriers but i only get away with it because of SG

[zealous wing]

thing is its a side node

its entirely optional

the 10%

so its something youd have on top of, not by itself, unless youre weird and take anticipation

and only antici

[nocturne dust]

It's nice for those bugged snipers that immediately shoot you when you round a corner tho, lol

[nocturne dust]

ooh, ooh, me, me

[zealous wing]

yes, you

[nocturne dust]

Anticipation is cool

Don't need DR if you don't get hit

[strong gulch]

deadvoid merch wehn

when

[zealous wing]

unless youre a frontliner, and suddenly soloing damnation/auric, then the extra safety is quite nice

[nocturne dust]

My merch is a pure black shirt

[rancid geyser]

would say since empathic evasion wants you to actively crit, especially when you are on a staff you are just gunna keep getting increased value from OwTW, idk if you ever have 2 points to put in that part of the tree when playing staff

and i think even then that would be after i took more toughness gen

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/anticipation-rocky-horror-picture-show-rhps-rocky-horror-tim-curry-gif-4424318

[zealous wing]

i miss my assail so badly

i keep trying to blitz dogs and shit

[thorn cedar]

It's pretty easy loop for me. Right click shards or do whatever until I hit 100%. Then I throw a shard out every four to eight seconds after that to stay at 90-100. If things get dicey I just press F for Scriers and I'm right back down to 50% for JaD value + still have stun immunity for four more seconds.

[rancid geyser]

but the emperor's light wants you to hit 30

[zealous wing]

sadly

im sick enough to do it

[ripe obsidian]

JaD pairs well with ER. OwtW pairs well with SG. Both are good. Pick your favorite.

[zealous wing]

relic blade attack pattern for horde is the same-ish as FGS so at least theres that in life

[ripe obsidian]

Immaterial Focus is secondary to either of them

[rancid geyser]

i think JaD is actually broken with SG

[zealous wing]

FGS at home is so sad

[ripe obsidian]

Doesn't work with SG.

97%+ peril means no DR

[nocturne dust]

They should replace Channeling Force with a node that gives you DR while you're using your staff

[zealous wing]

but, be like me, SG, JaD, and BcoB

[rancid geyser]

as in the value you get while using a staff at high peril, you can just keep looping SG and quelling

[nocturne dust]

Also make mind in motion remove movement speed penalties from staff charging/channeling

[strong gulch]

I read boob

[nocturne dust]

Give me some gud staff eatings

[zealous wing]

valid

[rancid geyser]

80% quelling with SG up

[ripe obsidian]

I do not see how JaD is relevant to this

[zealous wing]

they did make it count reload speed so maybe one day

[rancid geyser]

because when you are NOT at max and are still using staff tanking damage with JaD doesnt hurt as much

[strong gulch]

Just tell FS it's a buff to SG.

[zealous wing]

nah tell them its a smite buff

[ripe obsidian]

Ooookay, why does SG matter to that?

[zealous wing]

since at least 1 dev is a smyker

[ripe obsidian]

You're just describing how JaD works.

SG has no relevance to this

[rancid geyser]

SG has synergy with it

tf?

[ripe obsidian]

How.

Explain how they go together

Gain peril from damage taken is totally irrelevant to SG

[rancid geyser]

you literally can quell away any peril you accumulate tf?

[ripe obsidian]

YOU CAN DO THAT ANYWAY

quelling is not locked behind SG

[rancid geyser]

ITS NICE WHEN ALREEADY DOING IT WHILE USING A STAFF

[ripe obsidian]

SG does not quell.

[rancid geyser]

YOU ARE QUELLING ALREADY SO WHEN YOU HAVE SG YUO CAN DO WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND EAT HITS

[ripe obsidian]

SG has no quelling function

[sturdy reef]

I think he means the bottom modifier for SG

[rancid geyser]

EAT A HIT, QUELL GOT BACK TO MAX TOUGHNESS AND REPEAT

[sturdy reef]

+quell speed

[zealous wing]

it does when activated but so does shriek

[rancid geyser]

YOU GET QUELLING SPEED

[zealous wing]

solidity

[rancid geyser]

OR ARE YOU GOING TO SAY THAT DOESNT MATTER EITHER?

big ass brain

[ripe obsidian]

It doesn't matter much, no.

[rancid geyser]

guess the reduced peril gain doesnt matter either

[ripe obsidian]

There's no special synergy between JaD and SG, regardless of what you're saying. A bonus of 30% quell speed is nice, but hardly synergistic

[rancid geyser]

nor the dr

or damage

[zealous wing]

if someones going SG they usually take the extra damage node not the decreased peril i think

[rancid geyser]

no one claimed there was 'special' synerfy

[ripe obsidian]

Except you. Right here.

[rancid geyser]

where did i type special or do you lack reading comprehension?

hmm?

[ripe obsidian]

Depends on the staff

[rancid geyser]

we going senile and seeing words that aren't there?

[zealous wing]

but there ISNT special synergy, its just, an option

if its quell speed, take solidity

[rancid geyser]

again no one claimed that there was special synergy

my brain hurts lmao

[ripe obsidian]

You're the one raging about SG being perfect for JaD, asshole.

[rancid geyser]

also didnt say it was perfect

its easy to quote me

[zealous wing]

you claimed there was synergy, most of the tree is synergistic, JaD and SG is nothing special

[rancid geyser]

scroll up

[wooden stone]

absolutely insane to me that they made a talent that allows you to stay at critical peril (high damage) and gives you what is basically 2 free curios. If warp ghost isn't the singular most powerful node on Psyker I don't know what is

[rancid geyser]

see ther eis nothing wrong with that, but when some idiot claims that I SAID there was thats an issue

cause its not what i said

[zealous wing]

it felt implied

[rancid geyser]

just noted and stated that the synergy is nice and i like

is the gist

you dont have to feel implications when questions can be asked

[ripe obsidian]

Because exact words are all that matters, not implications.

[rancid geyser]

you can ask instead of making an assumption, then to be corrected that your assumption of what the person said was not what they meant

and not double down on that

[zealous wing]

you did imply it was overpowered combo, when its not really

[ripe obsidian]

You don't need to say "perfect" or "special" word for word. "Actually broken" means the same thing.

[rancid geyser]

bruh anytime someone says something is overpowered it is an opinion

by the logic not a god damn thing anyone here has ever said is OP actually is

.>

feels like we are getting close to talks of semantics

[thorn cedar]

mind in motion is overpowered

[ripe obsidian]

Inarguable.

[zealous wing]

and your opinion is that JaD and SG are a prime combo, when in practice, they're not, they just, are options, that is all

they definitely pair well

[rancid geyser]

no again, just ask

i think they are a damned good combo

[zealous wing]

you literally

bruh

bruh

please make it make sense

[strong gulch]

Unless stated as an obvious joke, I take it as a serious statement when someone says that something is overpowered.

[zealous wing]

i said it was your opinion, you said i was wrong, then said the same thing

[thorn cedar]

there is nothing more powerful than a mind in motion

[royal totem]

I want to take MiM now

[rancid geyser]

note this was the quote i made

generic ass comment

blown tf out of proportion

[zealous wing]

but how does that make me wrong when you reiterate the same opinion i said you had

[rancid geyser]

bro, yall are making it seem like its a ''prime combo'' or has a ''special interaction'' -- these are lies and strings ppl on

all i said is i think it is broken

[zealous wing]

and you said damn good combo

[rancid geyser]

nothing else

i did say that too

[zealous wing]

sorry, damned* good combo

[rancid geyser]

but so are EK and shriek

im not saying EK is a prime combo with Shriek

or has special interactions

when you say shit like that you misinform

and that aint got shit to do with what i typed

its like playing a game of telephone with ppl i damn well know got eyes

[zealous wing]

"you think x and y go well together"
"no i dont. i just think x and y go REALLY well together"

[rancid geyser]

if you say something has a special interaction with another thing and it doesnt that is a lie

i made sure not to say that

saying that i said that

is a LIE

there is nothing to do but awknowledge that and rectify that

like how i rectified the situation by saying all in meant was what i said

thats not hard ot grasp

not saying there is a special interaction because ther IS none, and i wont have yall sit here and act like i did lmao

[zealous wing]

you were just arguing the matter like it was MEGA important

[pale prairie]

Oh no

[rancid geyser]

you assumed i thought it was mega important

lmao

[zealous wing]

my dude

[rancid geyser]

i was goaded into explaining so i did

[zealous wing]

you were allcapsing and everything

[rancid geyser]

he all capsed 1st

[zealous wing]

its kinda hard to not take that vibe

[rancid geyser]

i just followed suite

[zealous wing]

and?

[rancid geyser]

its there in the logs

lmao

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/community-gif-23728528

[zealous wing]

IF I ALL CAPS DOES THAT MEAN IM RIGHT?

[pale prairie]

What the fuck is happening

[zealous wing]

fuck if i know

[rancid geyser]

ppl see shit they dont like, and start lying about ppl

[pale prairie]

Alright let’s calm down

[rancid geyser]

not sure why this one instance of disagreement couldnt just end in disagreement

[verbal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-waddle-waddler-the-waddler-waddle-cat-weird-walk-gif-9738668264510949101

[pale prairie]

Instead let’s talk about how we can make my Ogryn better

[rancid geyser]

play with a psyker

[pale prairie]

I tried the branx but I think it might be too slow even with the attack speed nodes

[zealous wing]

log on and watch me die as zealot

itll make you feel stronger

[pale prairie]

Ironically I played three matches that failed as Ogryn then I load up psyker and dunk.

It’s sad

Billy club is okay but I have fallen out of love. And I am wanting to branch out form the shield

[rancid geyser]

you cant lose with psykers on your team

[pale prairie]

The big problem is HISTG

[rancid geyser]

any loss was ''Just a Dream''

[pale prairie]

FAIR the teams were all arbies and vets

[pale prairie]

Now where is that node on Ogryn tree

[rancid geyser]

bottom middle keystone

🙂

[pale prairie]

Lmao

Touche

[zealous wing]

whats the dump for relic, if anyone knows

heat?

or mobility

im scared to go to zealot chat

[pale prairie]

Oh relic sword?

[royal totem]

Think mobility. Unsure

[zealous wing]

i ended up with one of both before i got mobil dump

so ill keep both on hand just in case

[buoyant maple]

Buff their guns to be actually good

Get rid of pre-fire delay for ripper and twin stubber

[pale prairie]

Ooof yeah the ranged enemies were ripping me apart

I am using heavy stubber literally for elite and special killing

[woeful sigil]

why no female ogryn, I want to play as hulga

[zealous wing]

its weird seeing her preservitor form again

[strong gulch]

Ye

There's a mod if you want to keep her around.

[zealous wing]

might then, dunno

seeing her servitorised is kinda sad 😂

[zealous wing]

bruh

the timing

i have to clip this and show you what happened to me just now

it was

perfection

[strong gulch]

lmso

wait

lmao

[zealous wing]

why does the music i listen to always line up with shit

i have another example

normally i'd think nothing of people running around, HOWWEVER

idk why but i saw this happen and they just, lined up

[strong gulch]

hahahaaha

[pale prairie]

Then fatshark couldn’t have flat armor models

[pale prairie]

But….why? I don’t even know her lmao

[strong gulch]

Lol. You don't want to keep the traitor??

[pale prairie]

What the hell is this music

Hexis what the fuck

It’s like pirate middle America polka?

[strong gulch]

Keep doing it Hexis. It's funny.

[pale prairie]

This genre what is it

[pale prairie]

I do….as a robot

Look I can’t be invested in a character only know existed for the 2 min cutscene where they get shot

Don’t even have name

[strong gulch]

I wish I was a robot sometimes.

[pale prairie]

I have more attachment to brunt and I don’t even see that guy

[strong gulch]

Zola?

no

I'm confusing white women again.

[pale prairie]

Yeah

Zola is the one who is Tsundere

[strong gulch]

RIGHT

[pale prairie]

“I hate you disgusting rejects……but you did a good job so I put extra rations in your quarters…..garbage rejects”