Wait isn't it not true were 100% armor pen anymore either? I could have sworn they at least changed trauma from 100 to 60% or something like that
#psyker-class
random spruce
ripe obsidian
1050 seems right. If you are at 100% peril. At 50% it would be +25 damage
bright pebble
oh same here lmao
I was like "there's no fucking way this is going to count, I probably fucked it up" and then it said I got it lmao
we take those
ripe obsidian
Wait isn't it not true were 100% armor pen anymore either? I could have sworn th...
Nah, all the ADMs are still insane. I can check the code later
random spruce
Nah, all the ADMs are still insane. I can check the code later
Please do, I've been wondering this forever. I was given conflicting info a while back on it and haven't been able to confirm or deny it for months. It feels like it would make a massive difference in a ton of our numbers if we're not full pen anymore
Like rending Shockwave would be objectively better in all ways that crit flame. Rending on purgatus wouldn't be awful either
bright pebble
silly question but what is adm an abbreviation for
428 hrs in the game and I will always be dogshit with abbreviations </3
strong gulch
silly question but what is adm an abbreviation for
armor damage modifier
bright pebble
alright thank you
strong gulch
428 hrs in the game and I will always be dogshit with abbreviations </3
Valid.
Psyker specific or super commonly use acronyms are in the pins. It's not all of them, but it's most of them.
bright pebble
Oh shit? Thank you a ton, that’s actually a huge boon
ripe obsidian
Like rending Shockwave would be objectively better in all ways that crit flame. ...
If we weren't 100%+ ADMs, then yeah, rending would matter. I'll get the ADMS later, and also put them in my guide
remote shadow
So
Infinismite is fun as heck
However
It renders me absolutely useless against Monstrosities
Which isn't great when my teammates also have trouble against Monstrosities
strong gulch
Melee or EK RMB them. EK gives you distance and safety; not amazing damage but better than nothing. Melee is a lot better.
rancid geyser
Melee or EK RMB them. EK gives you distance and safety; not amazing damage but b...
i EK and dash-dance monsters its actually fun
monsters dont really do damage to you, as long as you can vent and keep up stacks you are relitively safe
royal totem
@pale prairie what are you up to?
pale prairie
<@280191453114925056> what are you up to?
Should be available for a run or two in about an hour maybe less
royal totem
fair enough.
young cliff
Is Empiric shock good for staffs other than Purgatus?
modest perch
does it even work on it ?
ripe obsidian
Is Empiric shock good for staffs other than Purgatus?
It is not good on Inferno.
It is only good on EK.
The only enemies that last long enough for Empyric Shock to be better than just using RMB are crushers and bosses. Don't use Inferno to kill crushers. And swapping between LMB and RMB drops Blaze Away, which isn't great.
EK is a different story, mostly because you want to use LMB anyway.
ripe obsidian
EK uses LMB a lot. Reason being, EK has +21% crit chance and some bonus crit damage, so LMB ends up with like... 60% or so crit chance
cursive thorn
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e81f1c9-3b63-4dc3-809b-9aee0aef4d51/ev...
@proper osprey why crucian over surgical on revolver?
ripe obsidian
And that means more EE procs, and more Surge procs if you use that
rancid geyser
EK uses LMB a lot. Reason being, EK has +21% crit chance and some bonus crit dam...
52.5% top end
ripe obsidian
52.5% top end
Are you talking about Empyric Shock? Because it does not hit 52.5% at all.
rancid geyser
EK
21% base, 15% from tree 20% from nexus
7.2% from being psyker
ooh
you right i always forget the psyker base
lmao
ripe obsidian
Oh, I misunderstood what you meant.
sinful perch
Do you guys think the crit aura is worth taking over the ability cooldown one for a crit inferno build? It just seems like the bonus compared to other options is just kinda meh and the ability cooldown is really nice
ripe obsidian
Do you guys think the crit aura is worth taking over the ability cooldown one fo...
I think it's fine for Shriek, better for SG, debatable for Bubble
The elite damage aura is bad
ripe obsidian
CD is generally considered the best aura
Psykinetic's Aura got tweaked. It isn't actually an aura
The CD one is Seer's Presence
rancid geyser
Do you guys think the crit aura is worth taking over the ability cooldown one fo...
inferno staff doesnt need crit aura i think you;d perfer spaming shriek more -- ask @plucky flax
but the crit isnt much more dps
sinful perch
inferno staff doesnt need crit aura i think you;d perfer spaming shriek more -- ...
Hell nah bubble all the way
white sky
The CD one is Seer's Presence
Ty, my brains fuzzy on the patch notes rn
sinful perch
but the crit isnt much more dps
I was thinking less for DPS and more for the empathetic evasion uptime
rancid geyser
only staff i think actively wants the crit is EK and you can still do without because after 50% crit you get diminishing returns
ripe obsidian
One moment, I will do math
rancid geyser
I was thinking less for DPS and more for the empathetic evasion uptime
everthing has diminishing returns after 50% crit
its just maths
this holds true in all games XD
most you get is more consistency in uptime bt you could probably put the 5% into something else, like the cdr you want
sinful perch
this holds true in all games XD
Nuh uh, in Warframe you can get double and triple crits if you hit over 100% crit chance
ripe obsidian
Not counting CDR curios, and not counting Psykinetic's Aura cutting the cooldown in half, including 6 stacks of Warp Siphon, CDR Aura Shriek is 14.85 seconds, crit aura is 16.5 seconds
So 7.425 and 8.25 with PA
rancid geyser
Nuh uh, in Warframe you can get double and triple crits if you hit over 100% cri...
yeah but there is still a diminishing return, and it needs more focus to over come that
i havent touched the game in years aand still have more hours than most of yall
i hate DE
personal reason
ripe obsidian
Including CDR curios...
CDR Aura Shriek is 12.87 seconds, cut in half to 6.435
Crit aura shriek is 14.52, cut in half to 7.26
So the CDR Aura only shaves 0.8 seconds off the cooldown if you have 100% PA uptime and 6 stacks of Warp Siphon
Or 3 seconds if you have no CDR buffs at all except the aura
rancid geyser
they could get lucky and have a nother psyker with the cdr or crit -- pick a poison lmao
graceful arch
i havent touched the game in years aand still have more hours than most of yall
Man I miss pre poe warframe
static sonnet
personal reason
1800 hours myself, I also havnt touched it in many years. My I ask what your hate? I havnt kept up with it at all
rancid geyser
Man I miss pre poe warframe
i have no beef with the game, just became something not for me -- and the whole mogamu debacle made DE look bad in a way i didnt like
graceful arch
There is so much content locked behind snoozefest open world content.
rancid geyser
1800 hours myself, I also havnt touched it in many years. My I ask what your hat...
game design changes and community beef is what i comes down to -- i started falling out of love for it when p42w era started like a bit after mesa got released
the game was designed to be hard, and not ability focused -- then they made a lot of changes that flipped that
and prio, they took embers damage amp, stun
changed rhino and mag
lots of changes alpha and beta players didnt really vibe with
they got my money and got a full launch, the game is doing well which is nice, i just dont like it for what its become -- nothing really wrong with it tho
static sonnet
Yeah thats fair
rancid geyser
the MOGAMU community beef is crazy tho
as a black man i have never seen someone with so much community diversity hire backing EVER
static sonnet
It has changed a ton. I never heard of him i think?
rancid geyser
DE ignored so many ppl saying his behaviour was bad, and it took them over a year to listen to ppl, until the point of where he HAD to be excommunicated
he was their pocket child no lie
made a chunk of good community creators quit -- and for a while he kinda became the face for Warframe which was not my forte 🙂
sorry for the rant
pale prairie
@royal totem ready?
young cliff
And that means more EE procs, and more Surge procs if you use that
made the changes to my fire and Ek builds, thanks for the advice mate
royal totem
<@128975123859374080> ready?
sorry still in a game
pale prairie
sorry still in a game
no prob
royal totem
it's not a very fun game
i'm not doing well
ok that's done now
@pale prairie restarting game and then i'm ready
ready
plain elbow
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=a003abbc-ead3-42eb-9c6b-2b07f54f8f61
Looking for advice on my greatsword melee gunker build. Able to clear auric but i occasionally die, though i feel like it's more player skill than the build. Points feel so tight, i really don't know how I'd change anything
Any advice is appreciated
Curios blank because I'm still farming 17% toughness curios 🙁
royal totem
..........game is glitching (again) ._.
pale prairie
oooof
pale prairie
lmao
this is the mode that classes are balanced around so of course it works flawlessly]
rancid geyser
Curios blank because I'm still farming 17% toughness curios 🙁
ii used melk for min, its expensive tho
you can settle on 16% ones its only like 5 toughness
or like 8 i cant remember
zealous wing
any toughness is better than none
lapis fern
What melee is best with dealing with crushers? Those are usually the ones that can tank a full inferno charge or 2 void blasts that I’ve noticed
rancid geyser
dueling sword
zealous wing
the push interrupts their overhead
lapis fern
Ah. I’ve been using that (or at least another fgs) so I’ll stick with it then. Didn’t know if there was something maybe a bit better
rancid geyser
pretty sure dueling sword at base has the lowest ttk on crushers
weapon is just that good
lapis fern
I like dueling but the extra ability stuff with the fgs plays nicer in case I have to light attack spam a horde and do the wave attack thing
zealous wing
possibly, but if youre dealing with 4 or more, intteruption on their attacks is lovely
and yeah the horde delete button is nice
dueling sword has shit hordeclear
zealous wing
sometimes, you need melee to deal with shit that isnt dying fast enough
lapis fern
I do but sometimes that second or two of charging it means goodbye toughness
rancid geyser
fgs then, im still trying to like it but im assuming i wont unless im actually on a melee build
lapis fern
Only happens like once a mission but better to have it and not need it than the other way around
rancid geyser
actually i foudn my issue with it
lmao
since im not on scriers i HAVE to use warp ghost when im using it or i wont be able to keep the damage up
zealous wing
welcome to every gunker/meleekers past struggle
xD
seriously it was a PAIN to keep peril up
but thats the same with any melee
rancid geyser
thinking i just give up PoTS and just commit melee to crushers that way i can go unyielding on my staff maybe
rancid geyser
unyielding + flak is nice for bosses
rancid geyser
get RID of it
but it actually helps me kill crushers in havoc faster
was the only reason i kept it
zealous wing
flak+cara on FGS does wonders
rancid geyser
if im gunna use it its exclusively gunna be for crushers and bulwarks along with bosses
everything else eats an EK to the face
also GS movement makes me sick
zealous wing
you can even use FGS push to open bulwarks up then shoot them in the face
rancid geyser
also been quite the relic blade hater, the movement is icky
zealous wing
you could try obscurus
though i know next to nothing about it except its supposedly good at crusher killing
rancid geyser
you could try obscurus
the illisi is the only model i like for that weapon
yeah FGS feels so much better with warp ghost 🙁
no more rending for me
zealous wing
do you have the +10% melee attack speed node?
rancid geyser
no, im on EK build lmao
zealous wing
ye its noticible (i played my EK last round)
rancid geyser
no space for the attack speed or melee damage
zealous wing
10% makes SUCH a huge difference 
go to psych and grab yourself a celerity stim, and see if it being faster makes it slightly more appealing?
rancid geyser
only other gripe with the fgs
WHY CANT I SPECIAL STACK?!?!
the force swords allow you to do it back to back without swinging
zealous wing
because with the swords, you charge them yourself, and the FGS you charge by killing, but i dont know the implications of that nor real reason other than, its MEGA fuckin powerful
royal totem
@pale prairie good job :3
zealous wing
what you two doin
zealous wing
o.o
royal totem
have no clue how much damage i did, but i didn't explode
pale prairie
O.O
zealous wing
going well i presume?
rancid geyser
because with the swords, you charge them yourself, and the FGS you charge by kil...
i wish i could agree but you can use the special regardless of your bar on the fgs
royal totem
we cleared havoc 20 with rotten armor and stims
rancid geyser
its just locked out from doing anything but swinging to eat the special, its a weird choice
zealous wing
i dont mind it
rancid geyser
it makes sense, but again its just impractical imo, you are basically locked into scrier for optimal usage with unstable power
even taking warp ghost takes multiple steps to start working around 80 peril
royal totem
hmmm so 342k not very good
zealous wing
what stave, inferno?
royal totem
yeah inferno
pale prairie
hmmm so 342k not very good
there just wasn't alot of density
trust me number gets bigger as crowds get bigger
royal totem
classic inferno bubble
pale prairie
classic inferno bubble
YOU COULD GO SHRIEK 😉
rancid geyser
i havent done a single havoc yet this season
game is dc'ing ppl mid run
i dont blame you
zealous wing
i havent had that happen on EU at all
i do wonder if its region specific issue
wont know til i try havoc tho, since thats when most people talk about it happening
rancid geyser
wont know til i try havoc tho, since thats when most people talk about it happen...
wanna join me, ive been tanking in my rankings these past few days 🙂
all the dc's
zealous wing
what level
rancid geyser
i just dont care about my ranking anymore
i think i decayed to the lowest i can now?
20
zealous wing
same as mine
rancid geyser
Bunch of my runs ended up just being me and 1 other person struggling
zealous wing
thing is i dont know if we can duo h20, and i dont wanna bother with pubs
we can fuckin try tho 
unkempt hare
I keep getting sent to main menu over and over again error 2019 and 2014 I think
rancid geyser
IM NOT GETTING OFF TILL I GET BACK TO 30 AT LEAST
unkempt hare
It's so dumb
rancid geyser
today has killed my mood for havocs tho ngl
playing through crash after crash XD and this one has garden
so no frames in sight
zealous wing
lemme check mine
unkempt hare
First helldivers now dt well at least I still have Skyrim and Minecraft I can play
zealous wing
hah
zealous wing
if you wanna try, we can attempt, if you wanna do literally anything else, im down to squad if you'd like to not deal with only randoms
rancid geyser
if you wanna try, we can attempt, if you wanna do literally anything else, im do...
send a join req
im grabbing randoms
rancid geyser
DOES ANYONE HAVE A FUN BASIC EK BUILD
verbal thistle
DOES ANYONE HAVE A FUN BASIC EK BUILD
WHY ARE WE YELLING?
rancid geyser
not the one im currently using tho
zealous wing
THEY MUST BE REALLY EXCITED
verbal thistle
THEY MUST BE REALLY EXCITED
zealous wing
not the one im currently using tho
other way around
join this one so we dont lose the randos
pale prairie
It is good in small emergency doses
wet python
I know smite spammers get the guillotine
pale prairie
@royal totem you taking a break?
rancid geyser
well you are on EK, wont be spamming it
royal totem
can do a round of auric or something. just need a break from that lol
that was......nasty
pale prairie
other way around
you guys up for auric or already in a match?
rancid geyser
you guys up for auric or already in a match?
we just started XD
royal totem
havne't had the twins that early before
i have but not on that map and not with other elites around that just......needed dealing with
zealous wing
o7
pale prairie
diving in right now
lmao
like i said you played well I just blew myself up in the beginning which just cascaded the early death of ogryn
pale prairie
as long as fun is being had
verbal thistle
I know smite spammers get the guillotine
wet python
hype
verbal thistle
zenith plume
you pressed the right button the first time
verbal thistle
you are right
I need to go back to VT2
watching old Huntsman clips
seeing how much better VT is
zenith plume
dunking twitch votes with longbow was always a great time
I enjoyed playing warrior priest and bubbling the longbow so he could face tank a minotaur to death
zenith plume
oh peepaw
zenith plume
imagine darktide having cool rev tech
verbal thistle
ogryn bullrushing away while sticking the revive
plucky flax
Burga + rend trauma moment
zenith plume
imagine starting revive while the melee twin rockets you into the next room and you still get it
rancid geyser
aside from the Daemonhost we did well @zealous wing
pale prairie
@royal totem
rancid geyser
was an unfortunate shriek
royal totem
@pale prairie ty. going to sleep. have to get up early tomorrow for a flight >.<
pale prairie
easy peasy
pale prairie
<@280191453114925056> ty. going to sleep. have to get up early tomorrow for a...
works out good I have to sleep too
royal totem
<@128975123859374080>
there were just.....no enemies
zealous wing
i didnt have KD either so i was NOT fine
royal totem
felt like we were just walking th rough the map
pale prairie
felt like we were just walking th rough the map
oh for sure
couldn't do any dots damage cause everything was dead
lmao
royal totem
a casual stroll through ascension riser
that vet did an amazing job killing specials though
rancid geyser
@pale prairieif they are doing to sleep may we conscript you?
pale prairie
krieg we need a 4th h21
Alright just one run though
whats the comp?
i can run oggy
zealous wing
arby, ek psyker, inferno psyker
pale prairie
we need some CC
plucky flax
i can run oggy
Play bubble knight.
rancid geyser
pale prairie
already played offbrand bubble knight
rancid geyser
fun one
royal totem
krieger did pretty well lmao
pale prairie
yeah I was compensating for the havoc fails
royal totem
you did pretty well in the havoc we succeeded in
pale prairie
you did pretty well in the havoc we succeeded in
yeah i had some misplays on the following ones
le sigh
I am still getting the hang of it
royal totem
yeah i had a bit of a misplay too
we realistically should have forced our way forward just cuz the place we fought was so dang awkward
pale prairie
for sure
royal totem
i'm talking the run that was going well btw
the second attempt was just fucked no matter what i think (maybe if we had a prayer zealot we could have unfucked it but shrugs things happen)
i do actually play an okay prayer zealot
i mean it's a bit easy
pray>crit>crit>crit>crit>pray
rinse and repeat
patent jacinth
Don't even need to crit anymore
royal totem
? they took out the crit gives cooldown part?
patent jacinth
They added more than 1 consistent cdr source
pale prairie
the second attempt was just fucked no matter what i think (maybe if we had a...
yeah That small corridor was bad. Should have just tanked Rinda
royal totem
I like the crit way of cdr
royal totem
yeah That small corridor was bad. Should have just tanked Rinda
That poxburster sealed our fate
tender sphinx
I don't know if I'll ever make it to havoc lol.. I can barely cut it in auric maelstrom
jovial juniper
That means you can make at least to havoc 15
Since it only picks up on the difficulty past 16
tender sphinx
Does it though. I'm at 4/5 for ASS for like the 5th time 😂
I might try it when I get this. This is my current goal, lol
royal totem
If it comforts you i dont have ASS
tender sphinx
It's a pain. I wanna blame the people quitting as soon as they go down. Half the time they don't even give us the chance to save them
I've been only doing them as soon as they start so at least there's time to get the spots filled if someone quits
royal totem
This is why i dont play ass
plucky flax
Sry it was me
nocturne dust
If they were using Inferno, most of those kills are from Inferno's ranged damage
zealous wing
yeah
nocturne dust
which is surprisingly significant, many discount it but it can do things
pale prairie
i did it twice i think
Sure I can help you climb. Nemui/kaguya wants to climb too and she’s basically at the same level havoc. Then we can all climb to 40 together
zealous wing
would be cool
pale prairie
which is surprisingly significant, many discount it but it can do things
I was trying to figure out the high boss damage. Is that just dots?
nocturne dust
I was trying to figure out the high boss damage. Is that just dots?
Inferno is the best bossing staff
pale prairie
would be cool
Yeah she’s at 21 now I think
nocturne dust
pale prairie
Inferno is the best bossing staff
Okay that’s what I thought that it’s just huge dots
nocturne dust
Not just the DoTs, Blaze Away really amps it up
If you were running a different staff, you'd have trouble getting the same damage even with DoT application going well from something like PC
pale prairie
If you were running a different staff, you'd have trouble getting the same damag...
Damn strength boosts are unreal
nocturne dust
You'd think EK or Voidstrike would be the boss staves
pale prairie
You'd think EK or Voidstrike would be the boss staves <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322...
Viidstrike used to be decent
I could stagger lock bosses back in the day
nocturne dust
Viidstrike used to be decent
plucky flax
I did 600k boss damage with purg ye
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1423174160389111858/image.png?ex=68df59b9&is=68de0839&hm=607e9cea903cbfab5cfe82d5a71791ad618021f51fd106d43ac471ee4e380cd3&
I think team chose to ignore bosses
pale prairie
I think team chose to ignore bosses
Ah Karien was just trying to let you die so she could flame
zealous wing
btw
from what i understand scoreboard by itself is pretty plain, theres addons for more info, right?
might snag it, i just dont want it to become a chase the numbers thing
pale prairie
I used ovenproof cause that’s what I could find but other people have something else
pale prairie
might snag it, i just dont want it to become a chase the numbers thing
It’s mostly I think good to know where you are under utilizing parts of your build
zealous wing
i DID NOT
plucky flax
Ah Karien was just trying to let you die so she could flame
Ye the zealot was hitting boss and she went to hit horde instead of boss cos she was like only noobs fight boss
rancid geyser
LIES
plucky flax
So I with a horde clearing staff of course go fight boss rather than kill horde
pale prairie
Ye the zealot was hitting boss and she went to hit horde instead of boss cos she...
Lmao definitely not you know making space for team or anything
pale prairie
So I with a horde clearing staff of course go fight boss rather than kill horde
Cause if good for small thing even gooder for big thing
zealous wing
their shoulder is
pale prairie
will say btw, reapers are not flak -- this is all
UNYIELDING
rancid geyser
why tf do they have flak and carapace
plucky flax
Lmao definitely not you know making space for team or anything
You can't understand a higher being
rancid geyser
ill never hit the carapace but its nice to know they have it i guess
pale prairie
You can't understand a higher being
None of us can
rancid geyser
when will FS put plasmas in the training area
plucky flax
strong gulch
from what i understand scoreboard by itself is pretty plain, theres addons for m...
Yeah there's add-on/ plugins. There's ones for barrels, make it simple like VT2, ovenproof to tailor the board, and syllo has posted files to get blitz info.
Ovenproof needs the updated plugin. The original creator stopped working on it.
zealous wing
so OP is good for picking and choosing what it shows?
sounds like the one i'd want mainly if so
strong gulch
Ye the zealot was hitting boss and she went to hit horde instead of boss cos she...
Boss is only one enemy. Could be hitting more. 
plucky flax
Kill kill kill kill
strong gulch
so OP is good for picking and choosing what it shows?
If you do ovenproof, turn off most of the original scoreboard. Otherwise you get double ups of info types
zealous wing
ok do i use the patch instead of, or in addition to
it seems like instead of
but i wanna make sure
strong gulch
Idk tbh. When the patch came out, I just extracted the file and accepted whatever was being replaced.
strong gulch
One thing I'll say is open the patch file, click through until you get to the overproof folder, then drop THAT into the mods folder.
zealous wing
i did that first, img 1, then i tried the other way, img 2
strong gulch
If you just extract into the mods folder, it's likely messed up.
strong gulch
mods mods
Yeah that's what i was saying
zealous wing
nope
strong gulch
The patch has a mods folder and the actual ovenproof folder.
Put the oven proof patch folder into you mods folder that you've been using. Not the one that the patch comes with
I can try helping tomorrow if you need it. I'm in bed rn.
zealous wing
i am fairly sure im doing this
extract> get mods folder. check inside, pull out plugin folder, move to REAL mod folder, add to load order file....
right?
strong gulch
Right except you shouldn't need to change the loader.
zealous wing
im doing it all manually
wraith sphinx
Ye the zealot was hitting boss and she went to hit horde instead of boss cos she...
Kinda genius actually
Bosses are easy to 1v1 so the bigger concern is getting swamped by trash mobs and being unable to move or block
strong gulch
extract> get mods folder. check inside, pull out plugin folder, move to REAL mod...
By shouldn't need to add to the loader. I'm assuming that oven proof is already there. So adding the patch to the loader in addition to the old oven proof is not needed.
strong gulch
Then add to loader.
zealous wing
i did
strong gulch
Hopefully you don't have to get the old oven proof.
If it's still causing an issue then getting the old one installed first, then the update is needs to happen.
zealous wing
maybe. its the only thing to try
plucky flax
Kinda genius actually
She is super smart
strong gulch
Yay
zealous wing
sjbdvsbdvkhbsv
it worked
so yeah you need the original, and then replace
now we both know for sure
time to figure out what the fuck the settings are for the next hour 
(for the plugin). offense tiers, idk what they MEAN
ill just run a round, and disable duplicates afterwards. feels easier
tough obsidian
does anyone know any good stats and blessings to make VB staff really good?
im getting tripped up on a lot of the squishy elites still
zealous wing
what are you currently running?
plucky flax
Nexus blazing spirits crit chance flak
zealous wing
yeah, do as agent says.
switch cara to crit chance, rending to nexus
you'll want it on a build that also spreads/gives benefits for soul blaze
tough obsidian
lemme show the build then
rancid geyser
vb staff actually sucks ass into cara imo, BUT
tough obsidian
rancid geyser
its nice on packs of crushers every now and then
zealous wing
alrighty
rancid geyser
at least is fairs better than EK into packs of crushers
marble crater
No Perfect Timing is a choice
zealous wing
if youre set on warp splitting, you can remove ethereal shards, assail is affected by cleave modifiers, you have in fire reborn, so youll want wildfire and perilous combustion (youll want them anyway)
rancid geyser
i think
tough obsidian
i wanted something that made me feel like i was full telekinesis and this feels the best for that itch
rancid geyser
yeah
marble crater
What is this for?
zealous wing
fire VB
rancid geyser
missing 5% crit from souldrinker
zealous wing
mhm
marble crater
Oh no
zealous wing
basically you want everything to do with fire at the very least
if youre fine with a new tree though
that might be good
tough obsidian
okay but what if i dont want that to be my main focus
like i said its trying to fill the TK itch
since assail being the only option to me fucking sucks
zealous wing
if you want VB to do the damage its good at, you have to build for it, at least most of the way
marble crater
Or play rending voidblast
long saddle
yeah, I'm doing SG for my trauma and not shriek
rancid geyser
if you arent focusing on crit you get rending
long saddle
so it's still good, just not as much fire as possible
marble crater
Playing blazing voidblast without all the crit and soulblaze talents is just wrong 
rancid geyser
personally i dislike having negative peril gen especially when using nexus
tough obsidian
could i get a decnt build that scratches the itch and not have me rely so much on fire?
long saddle
yeah this is mine, remember I posted it before
and I'm knife for mobility
it's fire when possible, but more focused on being able to fire off as many fully charged blasts as possible
tough obsidian
:/
idk why i bother asking for help i always get a bunch of different answers or get criticized for not running shit to optimization
ill figure it out
marble crater
Well, either you run the meta build or you will get different answers that are not the meta build
zealous wing
theres a bunch of answers because there's a bunch of ways you can work it
marble crater
That's kind of how this works
zealous wing
well, at least i have a VB build again
marble crater
Personally I don't think it's worth to only invest a little bit into soulblaze, the damage scales exponentially with more stacks, so you want different sources to stack it higher for more damage and also use talents that spread it more
zealous wing
yeah perilous combustion works on any kind of kill, so at the very least you want that to keep some stacks going for in fire reborn to work nice, especially if VB isnt the main weapon
marble crater
You can of course, but it will mostly look pretty and not do much if you skip PC, Shriek, Wildfire and also skip the crit chance that makes it apply more from the staff
white valley
Soulblaze works just fine without shriek
marble crater
What about all the other things I mentioned though
white valley
Yeah I agree with what you're saying, soulblaze needs different force multipliers to be good
zealous wing
if the only source of fire is a blessing on the stave, its not worth taking in fire reborn
white valley
PC, Wildfire and Kinetic Flayer make for a superb combo
marble crater
I love new KF
zealous wing
just sucks though they came in here asking how to make it stronger, we offer different options, and they decide "nah, i dont need your advice" and left
white valley
The random sniper's live reaction when 1 stack of soulblaze from wildfire leads to kinetic flayer popping its head
white valley
I love new KF
It was good before but it's so much stronger now
rancid geyser
just sucks though they came in here asking how to make it stronger, we offer dif...
DM
marble crater
It was good before but it's so much stronger now
I love that we can use it to snipe specials through several walls now
white valley
I love that we can use it to snipe specials through several walls now <:KEKW_ogr...
Lore accurate witchsight
pine shore
Which defensive option are you choosing? Anticipation, just a dream or one with the warp?
Or maybe you choose several
Which is the best one
pine shore
To me it feels like one with the warp is the worst one
pine shore
why sg specifically
zealous wing
constant high peril
as a gunker tho
so i dont risk overload as much as a staffker would
dusk timber
To me it feels like one with the warp is the worst one
Two with the warp
glacial vapor
It's usually high with a staff if you're using it right. It's psykers best source of tdr
rancid geyser
To me it feels like one with the warp is the worst one
WHAT?!
pine shore
yea, but just a dream is 25% damage reduction
And anticipation is insane dodges, you just don't take damage
glacial vapor
Only health damage though, right?
pine shore
all damage
zealous wing
insane is an overstatement, though it might depend on weapon
and yeah all damage, even when downed
pine shore
arbites are simping for +1 dodge and +25% duration. They are going out of their way to get it. And we get it on our build path AND it gives +1 dodge and +50% duration?
rancid geyser
on with the warp is more dr though especially when using scriers no?
zealous wing
its also bugged as hell rn in the weirdest way possible
pine shore
Especially with a staffs which have poor dodges, that sounds insane
zealous wing
i tried to run a suipsyker (CW focus) build as a joke, but i also made myself as tanky as possible, which included JaD
i tried and failed so many times TO overload because, it kept knocking me from 100 to 97
pine shore
Usually I choose between JaD and anticipation
zealous wing
basically, JaD could theoretically save you from overload... i havent been able to test getting hit RIGHT as im actually overloading with it though
long saddle
I don't think I ever get anticipation
pine shore
basically, JaD could theoretically save you from overload... i havent been able ...
How?
long saddle
maybe I need to try it tho
zealous wing
so im curious if, it can work like fire and peril quell combo can
pine shore
even though I don't have meditation
zealous wing
interesting
pine shore
The only 2 talents that save you are meditation and purloin providence
And I have neither
zealous wing
there is sadly 2 bugs with JaD, though, that are noticable then. one currently mostly positive (peril decrease)
the other is, if you run it with shriek or SG, and overload, then ult to save yourself... you corrupt a wound anyway
oh wait no
sorry no im really fucking tired
thats CW
brain wires got crossed
pine shore
usually not anticipation though, if ever
But why not anticipation
To me it felt like the best talent in most situations
pine shore
JaD depends on build
glacial vapor
You can work around it with dodge slides when you really need it
zealous wing
also true
pine shore
But how does anticipation depend on anything?
glacial vapor
Though its still nice on FGS
zealous wing
But how does anticipation depend on anything?
talent points
zealous wing
none of my builds have it, because theres shit i want more
pine shore
always
plucky flax
arbites are simping for +1 dodge and +25% duration. They are going out of their ...
I dont take extra dodge on arby tbf
pine shore
damn
zealous wing
its always owtw, or both owtw and jad, for mine
long saddle
extra dodge on arby is usually just a path node for me
glacial vapor
I mostly take it because its on route to something more useful om arby lol
zealous wing
on stave builds i skip Jad, because, peril gen
pine shore
I almost always prefer it
pine shore
Having very good dodges on a staff like purg or trauma allow me to basically just never switch or stop charging
I just dodge everything until I get my next attack
long saddle
yeah owtw is p free
zealous wing
"very good" its not much
on something like a knife its noticable, but on FGS for example, there wasnt a huge difference
plucky flax
Me on -6 dodges on burga xd
zealous wing
if i need to move further away from something its usually a dodgeslide or i literally sprint and slide away, if its a crusher, i interrupt their overhead and dodge also
pine shore
and wouldn't it be better on fgs than knife because knife already has 5 dodges
zealous wing
what's the difference
.... dodge distance
pine shore
anticipation doesn't affect dodge distance
zealous wing
plucky flax
I have anticipation on bubble knight build cos I melee a lot there
long saddle
Me on -6 dodges on burga xd
I hit -8 yesterday with FS lol
plucky flax
I hit -8 yesterday with FS lol
You can dodge overhead like that 
long saddle
it's usually just desperation and me spamming force push at the same time lol
it's not a strat
pine shore
why did you send this?
zealous wing
fuck if i know
pine shore
And what does dodge distance have to do with anything
zealous wing
fuck if i know
pine shore
ez W anticipation is the goat
zealous wing
no its the most useless
pine shore
fuck if you know
zealous wing
no that i do know
long saddle
isn't dodge distance boosts only in mortis trials
zealous wing
if it DID increase distance, which i realise duration ISNT because language brain, then itd be worth something
zealous wing
then what the hell is duration
pine shore
base dodge window is 0.2
that's the timer where you are literally almost invulnerable
it adds 50% to that
zealous wing
does it save me from crusher overheads
pine shore
yes
It's not like in vermintide where dodges do nothing but move you
You can dodge into a crusher overhead and be fine if you time it
It's like a dark souls roll
tough obsidian
how about this? i change my tree a bit to see if it has more synergy
long saddle
do you have dodge on a different key than jump?
long saddle
I haven't bothered
pine shore
dodge on jump sucks
zealous wing
jump is left alt for me
pine shore
how about this? i change my tree a bit to see if it has more synergy
get warp res to 60% when you can. Replace warp nexus with flurry
rancid geyser
do you have dodge on a different key than jump?
always split them
you will thank me later
pine shore
or rending with warpfire
pine shore
how about this? i change my tree a bit to see if it has more synergy
terrible staff currently
zealous wing
long saddle
I might switch jump to something else, I don't think I can handle not dodging on space
pine shore
Use shift for dodges
zealous wing
left alt has worked fine for jump for me
pine shore
It's the best key
zealous wing
you use jump a LOT less
rancid geyser
I might switch jump to something else, I don't think I can handle not dodging on...
i have jump on x and dodge on space
pine shore
Objectively
long saddle
I don't like spamming keys with my pinkie
zealous wing
muscle memory for dodge is more important to keep than jump
long saddle
ye
zealous wing
you dont want to have to dodge something and wonder why its not working the moment you need it
rancid geyser
x is reachable by the index or thumb -- assuming you have hand space etiquette with your keyboard
tough obsidian
rancid geyser
could also have it on v
pine shore
how about this? i change my tree a bit to see if it has more synergy
this sucks do this
https://i.vgy.me/sL1W2g.png
long saddle
yeah x is prob gonna be my pick
tough obsidian
rancid geyser
yeah x is prob gonna be my pick
i like it, its comfy to reach because my hands are frigin huge
zealous wing
this sucks do this
https://i.vgy.me/sL1W2g.png
seems like their going for rending not soul blaze buddy
zealous wing
<:gx_tired:781087914838065172>
yeah sorry about them
pine shore
this also sucks
zealous wing
you suck
plucky flax
this sucks do this
https://i.vgy.me/sL1W2g.png
No he didn't want blaze trauma
pine shore
If you are going for rending, then do this
dusk timber
If youre going for rending, do taxes
glacial vapor
how about this? i change my tree a bit to see if it has more synergy
You typically don't worry about crit on the rending build for this staff. Swap crit chance for +25% damage perks and swap nexus for flurry
plucky flax
I think he wants assails too
pine shore
You can also choose assail, just replace bb with assail and the modifier to improve cooldown
yea, I get it
It's easy to replace it
Not the best build probably, I'm still learning the new tree, but looks decent
Also, not a lot of anticipation fans out there apparently, owtw is still a decent option
plucky flax
I use tanner build cos I heard he's best psyker ever
pine shore
based
pine relic
Does bb have finesse?
pine shore
Tanner builds are the greatest
plucky flax
Tru
pine shore
Does bb have finesse?
no, I don't think so
rancid geyser
I use tanner build cos I heard he's best psyker ever
i know its a joke, but imma about to flame you 🙂
pine shore
it just does damage, no crits either
but fr, tanner doesn't look like a bad psyker player. Even though he may not be the smartest
plucky flax
i know its a joke, but imma about to flame you 🙂
Sir I would not joke
tough obsidian
gonna run this in an auric and see how it does
pine shore
gonna run this in an auric and see how it does
please at least get kintetic deflection
It's your best talent in the entire tree
rancid geyser
It's your best talent in the entire tree
*approved by tanner
best talent in the tree is warp ghost 🙂
plucky flax
I actually don't know tanner build probably good tho
rancid geyser
ill fight this battle as a non psyker main
pine shore
I actually don't know tanner build probably good tho
last time I saw him, his builds were good
But that was before the rework
plucky flax
I use unsanctioned build its only a bit weird
pine shore
I use unsanctioned build its only a bit weird
what's that
plucky flax
what's that
Some bubble knight meme 
pine shore
every build got a nice buff
rancid geyser
Just dont get hit
for the passive quelling nerf it gives you
pine shore
But I think bubble knight got nerfed more than other builds due to hp buffs
plucky flax
Also free psykenetic aura so bubble upkeep is not so rough anymore as bubble knight.
pine shore
killing crushers takes a while now
rancid geyser
Smh
also why?~?~! im not punished for blocking with my face -- only for getting grabbed
plucky flax
No free 10% damage node and 20% ogryn damage.
Also perfect timing works for melee damage.
It used to be warp only.
pine shore
It's still stronger than before, I'm just saying it got buffed less then other builds.
Still very fun to play
plucky flax
Tru only got carried because of karien.
rancid geyser
Also perfect timing works for melee damage.
this change was nice
obtuse dome
for the passive quelling nerf it gives you
Why would you want that tho?
pine shore
what blitz are you using for paladin psyker now?
plucky flax
Always been assails.
obtuse dome
Unless ur using gaze
pine shore
for the passive quelling nerf it gives you
it's a buff
passive quelling decrease is a buff
And imo is the main reason to take it
obtuse dome
Idk i dont think id ever use it
pine shore
I use it on all my gunker builds
plucky flax
what blitz are you using for paladin psyker now?
Last bubble knight game I played haven't played too much. But 350k assaisl damage without any of the assails sub node.
pine shore
exactly
plucky flax
Just from dd and warp splitting
rancid geyser
Why would you want that tho?
pine shore
Last bubble knight game I played haven't played too much. But 350k assaisl damag...
yea, that's what I always run too
base assail with warp splitting is more than enough
pine shore
Why would you want that tho?
literally half the talent tree gives you benefits when at high peril
obtuse dome
Ik dude but i rarely ever get my peril to quell by itself ever
rancid geyser
Why would you want that tho?
this too
pine shore
edging the warp is always good
cosmic cobalt
warp ghost is good if you're not assail weaving
pine shore
stamina and toughness buffs are also very good
rancid geyser
Ik dude but i rarely ever get my peril to quell by itself ever
well ive been using the fgs because of chat and you 100% will have it quelled by itself unless running SG
pine shore
warp ghost is nothing but pure upsides for most builds, specially ones where getting peril is more difficult
rancid geyser
warp ghost is nothing but pure upsides for most builds, specially ones where get...
this
obtuse dome
well ive been using the fgs because of chat and you 100% will have it quelled by...
Not really i use venting shriek and allways quell by myself.
rancid geyser
actually have been face tanking as the psyker since using it
pine shore
warp ghost is optional for builds with staves
obtuse dome
actually have been face tanking as the psyker since using it
I see
Yeah might be nice for melee idk
pine shore
And you always want it for builds with no staff
rancid geyser
Yeah might be nice for melee idk
im face tanking as EK psyker with it too
lmao
im using it with quietude
obtuse dome
Yeah for scriers gaze i see it but not really anything else
rancid geyser
take a hit go straight back up to max thoughness, take another hit and repeat
pine shore
Still good
rancid geyser
if i die its from barrels or getting grabbed
pine shore
I don't take it
obtuse dome
I tried gunker and its not my thing at all
rancid geyser
staff's are the only reason i touch psyker
pine shore
Does anyone have a build that min maxes crystalline will?
rancid geyser
if i wanna use a gun i have my main in vet
obtuse dome
Yeah exactly
pine shore
if i wanna use a gun i have my main in vet
psyker does more damage
obtuse dome
Proof
rancid geyser
psyker does more damage
let me see you kill a crusher with a gun in less than 5 seconds
then we can chitty chat
rancid geyser
I kill a crusher with 2 hits of my greatsword
can still do this as vet
lmao
nothing special
but we are talking about guns
obtuse dome
Sg greatsword is crazy thats true
rancid geyser
so again, do it with a gun
rancid geyser
But i doubt ranged psyker can touch exe vet
cant even touch target focus vet
dusk timber
so again, do it with a gun
Would it count if i borrowed an ogryn gun
pine shore
psyker doesn't really have many guns with good carapace damage
obtuse dome
Yeah but if i have a vet with a bolter and exe stance i will do more ranged dmg with my gun then a psyker
pine shore
Scriers gaze with 25 stacks of dd alone outdamage vet
pine shore
Yeah but if i have a vet with a bolter and exe stance i will do more ranged dmg ...
psyker doesn't have bolter
rancid geyser
psyker doesn't really have many guns with good carapace damage
what carapace damage needed?
not even stacked with all the damage i could have
pine shore
It's literally +65% damage, 20% crit chance, 72,5% weakspot damage, 30% finesse damage
And that's not even counting the other damage talents
rancid geyser
im just saying, you cant outgun the gun class
so you out staff it 🙂
psyker will never come close
obtuse dome
I agree
pine shore
psykers guns just struggle with carapace, that's why he has melee and blitzes
obtuse dome
Put some damn respect on my veteran
pine shore
Test it on a pogryn or somethin
obtuse dome
No cheese allowed
rancid geyser
Put some damn respect on my veteran
worst part is that its an icky focus target build --- but i love the gold ping
cosmic cobalt
from piss toughness to piss target
rancid geyser
Test it on a pogryn or somethin
no mods on atm, but last time i checked i can kill one in like 15 seconds with just the gun, and not that much accuracy required
also we have Psword for Pogryns
obtuse dome
worst part is that its an icky focus target build --- but i love the gold ping
I usually dont bother with the vets thingys
Theyre all kinda bad
rancid geyser
actually i might be able to kill pogryns faster now
pine shore
but it should be easy
rancid geyser
skirmisher was a massive buff to vet
obtuse dome
2 mags with a bolter with exe stance
rancid geyser
its just a free 25% damage now, i actually fight ppl over taking sunderer > Brumentum now
obtuse dome
Should be below 15
rancid geyser
though i think vet can 1 shot crushers with just skirmisher and brumentum
obtuse dome
If you dump it all in the head you might get him down 3/4
rancid geyser
1 sec
rancid geyser
2 mags with a bolter with exe stance
this is wild btw
rancid geyser
the only thing i want on psyker is a better bossing option
im tired of dueling sword and the fgs im just not used to yet
obtuse dome
Yeah does big dmg actually
rancid geyser
Purga?
i use it but i can never see shit when i do
i think i have perma HDR on in DarkTide
rancid geyser
im learning XD
you were the reason i even touched EK
no i refuse to go back
to any staff
)
rancid geyser
yeah i used to do the warpflurry stuff then that m1 talent came out
obtuse dome
Then purg
rancid geyser
became a new man
rancid geyser
I like voidstrike the most now
EK>Purgy>VB
obtuse dome
I tried the vb yesterday and its just weird af
rancid geyser
its fun to watch enemies flail around and burn
obtuse dome
Attack angles are very weird i have to look at the damn ceiling😂
rancid geyser
also having a long ass uptime in scriers gaze makes it fun now
pastel turtle
I love voidblast/trauma probably my favorite staff
pine shore
no mods on atm, but last time i checked i can kill one in like 15 seconds with j...
Killing a pogryn took like 9-10 seconds
https://i.vgy.me/BLepGw.png
pastel turtle
Purg is better but if you're quick playing Aurics then voidblast gives you a lot of power to keep a less than optimal team alive
rancid geyser
I usually dont bother with the vets thingys
i checkeed btw, the only way to 2 shot a crusher naturally is with Focus Target
so i am happy
obtuse dome
i checkeed btw, the only way to 2 shot a crusher naturally is with Focus Target
With what gun?
Plasma?
rancid geyser
Killing a pogryn took like 9-10 seconds
https://i.vgy.me/BLepGw.png
i have not tried witht he new changes, but also if its 10 seconds clip it
obtuse dome
Ah i see
pine shore
I'm gonna have to record it
obtuse dome
2 shot really?
rancid geyser
2 shot really?
yessir
obtuse dome
I might use focus target again
rancid geyser
it SHOULD 3 shot h40 crushers
since its enough damage to break the 10k hp on the 3rd hit using sunder heavy
rancid geyser
i have always used sunder and FT, and now i get to rub it in everyone face cause its buffed
rancid geyser
By falchion
isnt this a good weap tho?
obtuse dome
Its good yeah
But not as strong as the power sword
And i still hate the fckn moveset
obtuse dome
I just want endless vanguard attacks on heavys for the falch
And get rid of that stab
And just have it on light attack
Stabbing with a falchion is crazy anyway
rancid geyser
I just want endless vanguard attacks on heavys for the falch
Fair, i like the PS6 for the special into vanguards -- its the same reason why i like the illisi so much
pine shore
Here
pine shore
i have not tried witht he new changes, but also if its 10 seconds clip it
why does discord not embed it
does it not like mkv
ugggghghghhghggsdfasdmosdfoj
rancid geyser
that's not bad, i just dont want to redownload mods, but to just show that vet would out pace the living hell out of it
can you link the mod
rancid geyser
why does discord not embed it
use steam recording
pine shore
holy quality
rancid geyser
wait
he's buffed out the wahzooo
chief all mighty, i was talking about just deadshot alone btw lmao
its still a nice clip
pine shore
25 dd stacks is not unreasonable
ever since the buffs a long time ago it's very valid
rancid geyser
nonono not unreasonable
was just making a point that before anything else i can just ping the monster and shoot death in 15 seconds
lemme remember how to apply mods
pine relic
I call bubble knight psykers paladins
That's actually a good name, melee psyker with bb
pine shore
YES
Paladin psyker
I also like to combine these 2, like gunker, or meleeker
so paladin psyker turns into psyker
wraith sphinx
I love bb meleeker
pine shore
It's easy to build
the hardest thing is not dying
because you are still paper thin
I forgot
which las pistol mark is the slow one?
proper osprey
<@651235527491584004> why crucian over surgical on revolver?
For Mag dump you can use any tbh
sweet fractal
yeah no it was like
more my first stab kept hitting the neck instead of the head
i didnt realize just how potent the buff stacking would get
rancid geyser
you can get more buffs
sweet fractal
wut kinda psword u runnin
rancid geyser
use vortex extenstion
ngl chief i cant get it past the firewall, and i need to remember log paths for manual
plz remind me to share later
rancid geyser
wut kinda psword u runnin
this is with: Precision Strikes, Rending Strikes [doesn't do much outside of havoc], Bring it Down, Desperado, Skirmisher, and Onslaught
notibly missing the buff from Exploit Weakness
Agile Engagement if you want but i dont have the space for that, i took the +25 toughness 🙂
so thats 45% damage increase missing
not including brutal momentum and weakspot damage which are another 25%
as of now vets and psykers are best buds
wraith sphinx
Too bad, I don't know how to build around bb
I posted a build!
rancid geyser
seriously we need some of those blessings for illisi
if illisi could have power cycler i would LOVE that
quasi atlas
Does EP affect KF procs
long saddle
no
summer prairie
yes, but doesn't consume a stack
quasi atlas
pine relic
I posted a build!
Where
royal totem
O/
pine relic
ok thanks, is there a list a modifiers effects, it seems they have changed a lot