psyker-class

[pale prairie]

Mmmmm psyker ones were a while ago

[deft stump]

That's for vet.

[pale prairie]

SC?

[jovial juniper]

Vraks5 is undoubtedly, undebatably king

[obsidian kayak]

Oops mistype I meant scrier’s gaze

[wraith sphinx]

I use WR+WG with BCOB and never had any issues

[deft stump]

It's a free peg leg if you lack money though.

[obsidian kayak]

huh cool I’ll give it a try today, ty

[pale prairie]

Recon las is good and better for the fact it gives you EE almost immunity to ranged fire for a long time cause of clip size. If you want less ammo economy, smaller clips but BIG damage (if you can aim) Vraks infantry auto gun

[obsidian kayak]

neat gotta try the vraks. I was using a force greatsword with recon and the combo felt nice

[pale prairie]

It’s not about it not working. It’s more about on paper. If you are a melee user you will be bottomed out on peril for a period of time until you get SG peril building maxed. As soon as you hit 100% you now bottom out again pretty fast if you are again using BCoB

[royal totem]

I never felt like the jump from here to damn was that large but damn to auric....

[cursive thorn]

i like the staff that makes circle explosions i forget its name

[deft stump]

Void Blast...

Ehm Trauma.

[pale prairie]

Voidblast or trauma depending on your age

[pale prairie]

True skill

[wraith sphinx]

Thankfully it doesn't work out like that in practice. Kinetic deflection, just a dream, and gaze itself basically being on zero cooldown thanks to psykinetic aura means I will rarely bottom out completely unless I stop to manually quell

[royal totem]

Damn to aur feels a bigger jump

[deft stump]

Cos they made it more like havoc.

[wraith sphinx]

And now that I use warp speed subnode again I'm incentivized to spam gaze ^^

[deft stump]

More pressure.

[royal totem]

I dont notice it too much cuz used to playing it but yea

[pale prairie]

I have tried BCoB in a build and I am bottomed out on peril for significant time because of my focus on melee. It’s not for me and I am not about to let enemies get free hits to build peril or just hold KD when I could be killing

[royal totem]

Remember though. I unskilled sibling

[wraith sphinx]

Understandable, I just don't believe it's that much of an issue since it's easy to get PA and make SG extremely spammable

[pale prairie]

At the end of the day having warp rider, one with the warp, warp splitting, and unstable power active and high is worth more to me than the 10-15 stacks of SG I miss out on

[wraith sphinx]

since my meleeker build is with brainburst I can also just rmb bb at any time to peril myself up

[pale prairie]

But I can do that too!

[deft stump]

I have 0 skills, only panic.

[pale prairie]

Hmmm that’s pretty good actually. Do you grab KF?

[pale prairie]

The two of you are so funny.

Both so humble but off their clutching

https://tenor.com/view/ron-swanson-parks-and-rec-its-so-beautiful-gif-15644547

[wraith sphinx]

Yes! It's amazing

[deft stump]

I just panic.

[royal totem]

ill only admit i have some skill if i ever clear h40

I go super calm when clutching

[wraith sphinx]

old KF felt inadequate to use on any kind of non staff build. New KF is powerful and universally viable

[pale prairie]

I just don’t have the talent points for it but I would def switch assail for KF BB if I had a spare one. Maaaaaaaybe. I think I get a lot out of warp unbound assail throwing

[royal totem]

Like i could have been super tilted before

Doesnt matter

[deft stump]

Doesn't mean skill, just got carried by Syllo and Chaos all the time.

[wraith sphinx]

Assail weave is still king tbh

[marble crater]

*she carries Chaos and Syllo all the time

[deft stump]

I just panic harder and harder.

[wraith sphinx]

It's just that bb gunker/meleeker isn't a meme anymore

[pale prairie]

It’s harder with ghost lmao. I have to quell tap

[pale prairie]

Truth

[pale prairie]

Until you ascend to carrying state

[royal totem]

"Oh hey. Thats a few crushers. Wonder if ill die. Whatevs"

[wraith sphinx]

smite is in the piss tier now though

[pale prairie]

For sure

[wraith sphinx]

decaying at the bottom of that infested silo cluster we keep purifying

charged strike, not worth
enfeeble, trash

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/barbie-ken-cool-so-cool-awesome-gif-10422211538329482274

[pale prairie]

Charged strike should be folded into the attack speed talent

It’s so unrelated to smite

And dumb

[wraith sphinx]

and just smiting just puts you in the same situation everyone else feels when they share a lobby w smykers

[pale prairie]

A stain on our name

[cursive thorn]

whatever, go my assail

[deft stump]

You mean bees.

[buoyant maple]

Only the boltpistol skin since the rest are for vet

[marble crater]

[thorn cedar]

Smite is fine as a one point wonder.

Just don't put anything else into it.

[marble crater]

It's time we stare back at Karien

[wraith sphinx]

[zealous wing]

[marble crater]

There is the next carry

[wraith sphinx]

now I understand how karien carries

she simply stares down all the enemies

[pale prairie]

[wraith sphinx]

[pale prairie]

[marble crater]

[pale prairie]

[marble crater]

She can't stare at everyone at the same time

[pale prairie]

She is so strong

[zealous wing]

[plucky flax]

Hard fought

[wraith sphinx]

h40?

[obsidian kayak]

was messing with vraks SG - is the +100% cleave node making it this crazy?

[plucky flax]

h32

[obsidian kayak]

because jesus

[plucky flax]

I am climbing but pugs are dragging me down

Never my fault when I lose of course.

[zealous wing]

the warp splitting itself wont make vraks badass

its just

that good

[plucky flax]

is tru

[cursive thorn]

no more eula

[deft stump]

Weren't you like 34 last time we played?

[wraith sphinx]

[plucky flax]

Yeah but I dropped ranks.

Because people die in 10s to everything.

[wraith sphinx]

Agent I actually managed to reach 21 with a gunker build

am very proud

[pale prairie]

This hp stuff is getting out of hand

[rancid geyser]

what are yalls opinions on warp ghost?

[pale prairie]

I mean it certainly doesn’t hurt

[rancid geyser]

i kind of like it

[pale prairie]

Best talent in the tree

[plucky flax]

Hp stuff?

[deft stump]

Oh...

[plucky flax]

Oh crushers with 100000 hp

And take 10 years to kill?

[pale prairie]

The hp buffs on crushers etc then getting super increased by havoc modifiers

Yep stim modifier making it a miniboss

[summer prairie]

20k if they have a green stimm

[deft stump]

20k hp crushers.

[rancid geyser]

is it really or you just exaggerating?

[plucky flax]

Aye when crushers wall spawn.

People just die

[deft stump]

Probs worse if you get rotten green stim.

[rancid geyser]

i know warp ghost has been carrying my ass in havoc tho tbf

[wraith sphinx]

did you guys know crushers actually say stuff beyond making grunts and roars

they are just barely eloquent so it's hard to make out

[analog agate]

Is VB a preventative measure for new beefy crushers? Or is everyone still just doing inferno

[thorn cedar]

DIDENT FEEL IT

[pale prairie]

I think it is because so many talents link to peril management and benefit from being able to consistently have a level of peril. In addition +3 stamina (because of pathing to it) means a free curio AND IT INCREASES ALL TOUGHNESS REGEN

[wraith sphinx]

FIGTING TIIIME 😃

[rancid geyser]

been able to stay on staff only all the way through some of my missions because of it -- just thought i would stop by here to see a consensus

it really is nice

the extra 25% on low toughness does help eek out extra survivability

[pale prairie]

It just improves every talent you have that gives toughness so very good. In addition it makes ER basically free

[rancid geyser]

it + battle meditation also does help sit at 80% peril niceley too

[plucky flax]

Trauma is good too but purg is just extreme damage now because of more elites.

The crushers problem is more of a skill issue thing for most players.

[pale prairie]

CC horde by killing horde

[plucky flax]

They just can't dodge.

Or like how to make a path to strafe/kite around to slowly wither down the crushers.

[rancid geyser]

crushers only take like an extra second for me to kill now

as compared to when i last played lmao

[rancid geyser]

but im a bad psyker that doesnt play for the team

[plucky flax]

Yeah I am veri pro unlike this noob

[pale prairie]

The comedy is how fucking instant it is and the Ragdolling

[deft stump]

I have 300+ ping.

[pale prairie]

Whoa why haven’t you said this before?

[plucky flax]

You should play for yourself as psyker anyway

Most important class in the team.

[rancid geyser]

i have a purg staff build with bubble

[pale prairie]

Meat shields

[rancid geyser]

but i have been testing the electro more and more with channeled force

and its nice for killing crushers

[plucky flax]

Fair but without creeping flames the elites blob survive for too long atm

[rancid geyser]

and this is why i stay on electro kinetic with venting

[pale prairie]

Need those stacks

[rancid geyser]

got screamed at for no bubble earlier tho

[pale prairie]

You can do inferno venting

[rancid geyser]

im not a psyker main XD

[bright summit]

Truer psyker main than most

Ek gamer

[rancid geyser]

in havoc when i tried this i didnt like not being able to hit snipers and the new guys

pretty sure ppl were screaming for bubble because of the new dudes

[bright summit]

Truth nuke

[plucky flax]

Bubble is weird. It protects the team but you deal low damage so like team die anyway to elites spam

[bright summit]

Ek walks over plasma gunners and also every ranged enemy in the game

[plucky flax]

Get 2 psykers so 1 can go bubble

[rancid geyser]

i agree with this -- just that the group i was with earlier made me feel like i was bad for skipping bubble and purgy staff

[bright summit]

If you are decent at backlining in most situations you can output more in every department compared to bubble purge except into density

[rancid geyser]

every time we wiped i was the last one alive lmao

cant clutch on this class since i dont play it like that tho

[pale prairie]

INFINITE CLEAVE

[deft stump]

2 bubbles?

[plucky flax]

No why

CDR right now is so free

[bright summit]

Maximum turtling

[deft stump]

Because plasma cunters overtuned?

[plucky flax]

2 bubbles is just same as 1 bubble

Low damage problem

[deft stump]

You Bubble Knight, wat low damage?

[zealous wing]

i havent really had issue with plasma bois yet...

[plucky flax]

There are like 3.5 people in the world can play it well.

[rancid geyser]

ngl in havocs the only issues ive had are teammates dying to crushers

still

[plucky flax]

Don't count on bubble knight doing damage.

[rancid geyser]

mostly*

[acoustic jacinth]

Bubble? BOY YOU'RE IN SHRIEK TOWN YEEHAWW 🦅

[rancid geyser]

i cant test it or havent noticed it but plasma gunners get supressed right?

[acoustic jacinth]

Billions must avoid supporting their team and dumping everything into dps

[deft stump]

Play 280 ping min then come back to me.

[deft stump]

Yeah, but is you.

[zealous wing]

i did, though it was more like 190-250

[white sky]

Is it somehow more complex than drop shield and melee things that come into it???

[rancid geyser]

what sword do yall pair with EK, currently im running force sword with deflector XD

big ol selfish boyo

[royal totem]

combat blade :3

[glacial vapor]

Illisi

[plucky flax]

If you put it that way yeah it's easy.

[rancid geyser]

this one

[viscid matrix]

Either DS4 or combat blade

[plucky flax]

But if you want to get the most out of it, not so easy.

[deft stump]

That's the lower end. Higher end is around 400.

[white sky]

Go on, elaborate

[bright summit]

Bubble knight is also not a real Frontliner you can't hold space

[plucky flax]

Juggling between target priority, assails weave for peril up keep and when to use gun for ee etc.

[viscid matrix]

Combat blade for killing bosses quickly, dueling sword for safety

[bright summit]

Knife

For running

[plucky flax]

Idk I find it hard to play.

[pale prairie]

Half a person? A baby?

[plucky flax]

Tru

[viscid matrix]

Nah the half is cause somone plays perfectly one game, and then dies repetedly the next, and it’s random which you will get

[zealous wing]

frontliner is a mindset

[plucky flax]

But you can kill better than ogryn or zealot with chastise.

[zealous wing]

its me, sorry

[white sky]

Sometimes its the same person, even

[rancid geyser]

and for monsters you use the staff im assuming?

i dont use unyielding on mine

[bright summit]

It is in vt2 but in darktide you need actual tools to make and hold space

[viscid matrix]

I was talking about the same person for both 😉

[deft stump]

Could even be the same person. Your ability to play can range.

[rancid geyser]

monsters are kind of a pain

[zealous wing]

you can deal monster damage, or you can use a staff. pick one.

[bright summit]

Depends on the player but the damage output is very good for a bubble build yes

[bright summit]

Nope! Knife or teammates

[viscid matrix]

EK has some pretty insane primary damage

[rancid geyser]

well specifically talking about EK atm -- i set mine up to just slaughter cruchers

[zealous wing]

FGS is great

[plucky flax]

Yessir. Gotta get in there and spam fgs

[rancid geyser]

kill 1st one for stacks then kinda whittle each one over a second or so

unless they are buffed, i go back to staring at them till they die

[bright summit]

I never said it isn't? Read my point again

[zealous wing]

yeah and a bubbleknight can frontline

[bright summit]

No it's a fake frontliner

[zealous wing]

fake how

i kill everything

[pale prairie]

Monsoon wants a CC ability I imagine?

[deft stump]

Depends on player.

I see Chaos do it fine.

[bright summit]

Not ability but also like just talents and blitz and ranged weapon and other tools

[rancid geyser]

FGS = Blaze Force Greatsword? or am i missing something?

i did get the Greatsword to 20 earlier

[plucky flax]

Force greatsword ye

[zealous wing]

correct kuro

[rancid geyser]

what do ppl put on it

[bright summit]

The only thing in your kit that can hold space is your bubble and you can't make space without your teammates

[zealous wing]

monsoon just doesnt know how to psyker i guess

[rancid geyser]

mine isnt maxed yet tho

[plucky flax]

I use shred and unstable.

[buoyant maple]

I think this is a case of hexis not understanding what monsoon’s frontliner actually means

[bright summit]

Yeah my bad bubble knight can Frontline as well as any other class

[plucky flax]

Pls no flame

[bright summit]

Frontline = can hold and make/retake space

[rancid geyser]

i kinda like deflector the more i play havoc on this class

do ppl just not use it?

[bright summit]

You as the bubble knight cannot do either but your bubble can hold and make space

[rancid geyser]

when not using bubble i mean

[bright summit]

Deflector is popular

[cursive thorn]

what does bubble even do 💔 just take cover

[pale prairie]

Depends on the player. And their strategy when it comes to carapace.

[white sky]

Tbh I understand what monsoon is saying

[rancid geyser]

think deflector unstable is valid on the greatsword in havoc?

[deft stump]

Bubble and Disco ball holds areas.

[pale prairie]

Ehhhhhhh

[white sky]

The shield is an arena but its not a space maker, you can make space in the arena but it's not intrinsic to the ability

[rancid geyser]

i kill carapace easily i would say, crushers only live like 1-2 seconds unless they are buffed

[buoyant maple]

She’s applying VT2 modded diff’s logic and hexis is interpreting it with auric

So ofc nothing makes sense lol

[bright summit]

Yeah the shield is a initiator for your actual space making teammates to follow up

[pale prairie]

What difficulty?

[bright summit]

I'm a girl but yeah

[rancid geyser]

30s atm

[buoyant maple]

Mb corrected

[pale prairie]

Hmmm with EK staff?

[rancid geyser]

yeah im stacking a ton of damage lmao

when i did the math its like 119% total

[bright summit]

Emypric shock + channeled force M2 enabler

Good build

I like the way you vibe

[zealous wing]

are they still talking vt2? havent played it lol so idk then

[plucky flax]

Havoc

[rancid geyser]

this

[plucky flax]

He's just that good.

[buoyant maple]

Well
The “frontliner” definition she’s using is basically identical to what VT2’s modded diff’s frontliner role is

[pale prairie]

Yeah if you have no real reason to pull out your melee than you can gimp it with deflector no problem. I would probably use a more mobile weapon than FGS for that like Deimos

[rancid geyser]

the longest living crucher will be the 1st one then you can just clear out the pack with the 2 buffs

its just click intensive

[bright summit]

The concepts from modded vt2 translates well for some parts but DT is a more fluid and faster game

[pale prairie]

No they are talking from the perspective of VT2 strategy.

[buoyant maple]

Which essentially is, if your class can’t giga stagger everything and make space for ur whole team while tanking the brunt of everything, ur not doing it right

[pale prairie]

Mobbed and die

[buoyant maple]

DT is much more individual and less team comp

[rancid geyser]

oh is the great sword that slow ? im using this and i basically only pull it out when i have no space to dash around and shoot

[pale prairie]

Yeah hurts the hand unless you use the secret hidden macros/mods that click for you

[bright summit]

Well it's not just that, but as long as your class have safety tools to enable you to not give up space in risk of you dying you can also frontline, not as well as some of the egregious options but still decent

Charge Zealot can Frontline but you need to be aware of your team

[buoyant maple]

Psyker frontline problem is no mixed horde stagger + low cleave for melee + low cleave distribution for melee + no retake

FGS has 1 attack that does satisfy these needs and that’s it

[rancid geyser]

i stopped using mods because i lost some respect for some ppl attacking players over ''skill'' while spamming mods that aide them in game

no offense to any that use them tho

[bright summit]

True, I play a lot of minimal density scaling runs with friends so team comps still matter if meta stuff is out of the options imo

[rancid geyser]

just had a bad interaction a few months ago

[pale prairie]

It’s a heavy sword with not great dodges but it’s a really good all rounder into hordes and carapace

[bright summit]

Also pre patch it's low Dr and low error margin

[buoyant maple]

Yea then they buffed it 💀

[bright summit]

Yeah

Fucked up geniuely

[buoyant maple]

Psyker top 1 class

[bright summit]

I was enjoying the fake frontliner play style a lot but now they made it really good for no reason, oh also they buffed DDs and ws and Scriers

[rancid geyser]

funny enough after all the changes the reason why im here atm is because it feels the best to play for me atm

[bright summit]

And everything

[pale prairie]

Oh sure cause vet and zealot are starving

[buoyant maple]

Nah I think vet/zealot are like top 2-3

[rancid geyser]

im a vet main, and they took away my 2 shot kill on crushers

[buoyant maple]

But psyker is far above the rest

[pale prairie]

I know I am being sarcastic

[rancid geyser]

so im here abandoning the class

[bright summit]

I'm glad but psyker was always this broken lol it was just harder to play before

[buoyant maple]

If zealot had a good melee weapon with perfect strike then zealot is prob top 2

[pale prairie]

You got a lot in exchange though. It’s not perfect yet to be fair

[rancid geyser]

my vet build got the living shit buffed out of it

[deft stump]

Oh no. Zealot can chunk if done right. Vet only suffers from being paper because plasma bs.

[bright summit]

We're discounting ogryn and arb I assume they don't exist in balance

[rancid geyser]

the only gripe i have is not being able to 2 shot cruchers

the extra hit req kinda hurts imo

wasnt really a plasma enjoyer on that class

dead eye IAG

[deft stump]

No, plasma gunners.

Getting hit even once...

[buoyant maple]

They’re really strong but ogryn not as high damage as vet/zealot rn (outside rumbler PBB) and arb as frontline is less util than ogryn

I don’t think the discrepancy between top 2 and 5 are large by any means

[deft stump]

Death sentence.

[plucky flax]

Use knife and just run away from problem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23s8qW8Xb3I

[bright summit]

Yeah agreed, they're both immortal classes if abused correctly though however

[rancid geyser]

i.....dont liek the greatsword movesets...

oh no...

hmmm the mark 8 isnt bad i guess, just no sweeping horizontal heavy attacks to be seen on either

FS dont like horizontal attacks maybe...

[buoyant maple]

Arb and ogryn are sorta equal atm imo
Arb has better guns for frontline and dog op
Ogryn has better cleave, dodge stagger and much higher stagger with higher utility abilities

Can’t say one is strictly better than the other

I just wish zealot had a good melee with perfect strike because eviscerator is not cutting it atm

If relic blade had perfect strike it’d be so good

[rancid geyser]

mark 8 the better one im assuming

[buoyant maple]

It doesn’t rly matter both are op

[cursive thorn]

light light light heavy is all sweeps on of of them iirc

[plucky flax]

Nein

[buoyant maple]

VI is easier to use

[rancid geyser]

wtf is that stab!

holy damage

[hallow finch]

Ion mean it to sound stupid, but the big psyker swords feels lowkey inferior to the smaller one

Especially the special

[buoyant maple]

The big sword is meant to be taken on a build dedicated to it

[hallow finch]

Do bear in mind that I got lvl 10 on psyker

[rancid geyser]

nvm it was a crit, i mean i test it

what perks and blessings for the GS?

[hallow finch]

I'm assuming soul fire focused?

[buoyant maple]

Deflector / unstable / wrath / riposte are common

[white sky]

I am of the opinion psyker doesnt feel great till 30

[rancid geyser]

i was thinking the same but maybe we just gotta try it more

[buoyant maple]

No, crit and finesse focused

[rancid geyser]

illis just feels so good

[pale prairie]

Unstable and shred/riposte/wrath unyielding and carapace for boss and armor but you can change that

[plucky flax]

Maybe you need to play a bit more psyker cos low lvl psyker is a bit sus.

[white sky]

Psyker doesnt start feeling okay until like 20 and good at 30 ime

[rancid geyser]

it kills crushers well, im assuming thats why carapace is used -- im hoping

[bright summit]

Depends on what you're going by but in teams yeah

[pale prairie]

Yeah with crusher health being like 10k in high havocs I am keeping carapace damage

[buoyant maple]

U can 3-4 tap crusher

And it’s like
The only human melee weapon to beat power sword VI in boss dps in a non-meme setup

[plucky flax]

I stab bonbon weakspot regularly for 8k~ damage

[white sky]

If PS so good why do vets keep using toothpick

[buoyant maple]

They’re ass

[rancid geyser]

move set is kinda clucnky

[white sky]

Thats what I assumed

[patent mango]

psword is VERY repetitive

[rancid geyser]

PS does require block cancle tech

[white sky]

And DS isnt?????

[rancid geyser]

and if you cant do it you probably wont get much milage

[patent mango]

i mean it does have a parry now

[white sky]

You heavy thrust

[bright summit]

Dueling sword has the same ceiling as the floor

[buoyant maple]

Power sword as boring as it is is still like 200x the complexity of duelling sword

Which is fair given that the duelling sword was made for psyker

[patent mango]

anything to be free from special then attacking thrice the whole match honestly

[obsidian kayak]

toothpick fun cuz I can dodge halfway across a map

[rancid geyser]

PS feels like you are actively playing a fighting game imo

its why i use it lmao

[bright summit]

The new weapon on vet is also pretty op

[buoyant maple]

It’s alr

[patent mango]

pfalchion is fire

[buoyant maple]

Maybe top4?

[rancid geyser]

the new weapon is okay imo

like top5

for sure

[buoyant maple]

But I wouldn’t take it over any of the top 3

[white sky]

I hear very mixed opinions on PFalc

[plucky flax]

Top weapon for vet or?

[patent mango]

finally a non power sword power weapon lmao

[buoyant maple]

It’s basically a 1 point cheaper but worse Rashad

[rancid geyser]

i think its a valid take if you are running damage on your gun for carapace or bosses

[deft stump]

Meh.

[buoyant maple]

Power sword mogs it in dps

It’s like 2x lol

[white sky]

PS is PS tbf

[rancid geyser]

but thats because PS is just a goat

[bright summit]

If you take unarmored perk into a game without a purge psyker it can have great output

Decapitator moment

[buoyant maple]

PS is ridiculously overtuned

[fossil snow]

say I built a psyker to lean into brain burst use as hard as I could

[bright summit]

Most things in the game is

[rancid geyser]

the new changes to crushers did force me to go from Sunderer to Brumentum which is sad

[fossil snow]

and say I ate pretty good with the patch

[rancid geyser]

shhh

no its not

[bright summit]

Darktide is the power creep game at this point

[fossil snow]

whats the most thematic melee weapon?

I cant decide what fits

[buoyant maple]

It is

[rancid geyser]

shhh

[buoyant maple]

At this point it’s just a matter of how to power creep the game in more interesting ways

[rancid geyser]

you are DELUSIONAL

[buoyant maple]

Rather than not to power creep it in the first place

[rancid geyser]

its like the worst melee in the game

🙂

[fossil snow]

oh

my tree got blanked

again

[buoyant maple]

Power sword can use like 3 nerfs minimum and still be the best melee in the game lol

[fossil snow]

yaaaay

[deft stump]

Switch tabs.

[verbal thistle]

Such a dumb weapon

[deft stump]

Should fix.

[verbal thistle]

Every time I see a boss, "oh boy here I go killing again"

And kill it in 3 seconds

[rancid geyser]

iirc they did nerf it in the past

just wasnt big enough

[fossil snow]

you saved my gunker which was also blanked

[white sky]

Now you powercreep the enemies, then the players again, then the enemies until everything does 100k damage as has 1mil health

[fossil snow]

brainburst pervert stayed lost

[deft stump]

It just happens, they just didn't load it right. Why switch tabs or loadout to fix.

[buoyant maple]

Warhammer 40k Darktide Borderlands

[winged trail]

helldivers type beat

[white sky]

I mean that seems to be the case with crushers tbh

[rancid geyser]

i just dont like having to charge the special

[buoyant maple]

I like the new crushers

[white sky]

Plasma feels like a direct response to gold toughness meta

[rancid geyser]

it hurts my soul

[buoyant maple]

And most of the scab enemy health buffs

[rancid geyser]

because it is

[white sky]

They feel like their namesake now

Like actual ogryn

[rancid geyser]

it 100% is

[zealous wing]

it takes so little time to charge it in practice

and unlike illisi, it actualy can oneshot dreg ragers, and many of them

[patent steeple]

btw, is chaxe mk12 for a Gaze Vstrike build a decent idea?

[rancid geyser]

staff

[patent steeple]

DS4 got super boring

[rancid geyser]

even the purgy kills ragers fast

imo

[zealous wing]

gun can also do that, assail can kill the fast too, but, horde complete deletion is tasty

[buoyant maple]

It’s a more interesting approach to making ranged combat threatening without bringing back havoc s1 pus-hardened reaper spam

[deft stump]

Just too ridiculously overtuned on top of it.

[thorn cedar]

worth trying

[white sky]

I like them tbh, they just need small tweaks

[bright summit]

God thank you I'm not alone in this take

It started basically when they made Scriers quell

[white sky]

Like honestly I am kinda okay with them(Plasma Gunners) as they are rn as long as their follow up shot isn't sped up

[thorn cedar]

im not gonna say no to visibility tweaks to plasma gunners, and also a fix to their random ability to sometimes fire twice rapidly for no discernible reason (probably stim buff related tho), but yeah i think theyre actually close to perfect

[buoyant maple]

I think they should have sniper lasers cuz the directional info isn’t there until they’ve already fired

[gilded plover]

Do talents with "critical hit" and "ranged critical hit" both apply to staff? Like all of them, even the electric one? Or only LMB attack?

[bright summit]

All of them

[patent mango]

plasma gunners the scariest stealth unit in darktide

[deft stump]

I think they need to be more like specials and capped to 2-3 at once outside of modifiers.

[fossil snow]

im surprised you cant shoot the plasma gun itself

[white sky]

Id be alright with cosmetic tweaks, things that make them more visually identifiable, but I'm okay with damage and numbers

[white sky]

Tbh I genuinely think the squads they spawn in are fine

[patent steeple]

I guess I just need figure out whether to use Opportunist or Thunderous with Headtaker... (I don't necessarily need Rev It Up, because I dumped defences and so have 80% mobility)

[fossil snow]

I thought the entire point was how strong but fuck up able they are

[patent mango]

plasma gunners dont even do FF apparently

[thorn cedar]

Slaught Headtaker, every time.

[deft stump]

Not when they are silent. Not fun getting railed by a silent pack.

[thorn cedar]

Good, lmao

Otherwise the strat would be ignoring them as they pucnh through all their own friends.

[fossil snow]

its kinda funny

[buoyant maple]

Unless it’s specified as non-warp ranged crit

[white sky]

Thats still a cosmetic style tweak that I'm fine with, but I do think their numbers and damage are okay genuinely

[fossil snow]

in that reworked fire insta death way

[rancid geyser]

they affect all ranged attacks from a staff

[bright summit]

I can't believe they added the worst enemies from drg into darktide

[patent mango]

it'd be funny though

[white sky]

PGs are the first thing in awhile that's forced me to actually think even in Havoc

[deft stump]

Then they need to not be cara.

[thorn cedar]

Oh definitely but it would be the dumbest thing.

[winged trail]

them having no sound queues sucks ass, on top of being hard to pick out in a horde and having carapace

[rancid geyser]

sniper turrets?

[gilded plover]

So non-warp = bullets and warp = all staffs, right?

[buoyant maple]

Well
Plasma gunner is not s4 launch stingtail

[gilded plover]

Thanks

[deft stump]

I think they need a fire rate nerf and a hp damage nerf.

[buoyant maple]

Warp = blue thing

Non-warp = not blue thing

[thorn cedar]

Plasma Gunner is like, the first real consequential ranged enemy we've gotten, where the presence of one of them demands proper respect. Unless you're Psyker, because we don't exist to bullets.

[pale prairie]

Head is Cara rest is flak except for shoulders

[white sky]

Fire rate is the one actual statistical tweak id make cause their follow up shots being faster than the first is rough

[rancid geyser]

didnt like entering the bounce house?

[zealous wing]

yeah the way it is is, if they miss, they have a buffer, if they hit you, they rapid fire

[white sky]

Shield go brrrrt

[thorn cedar]

You can't just ignore them and stay stuck in melee to out-toughness regen their damage.

[patent mango]

i'd rather they buff the other ranged enemies to do something than plasma do their entire job by being a stealth unit

[pale prairie]

Man the bugs on release were hilarious

[thorn cedar]

And you can't just instantly plink them in the head with a gun because of their helmet.

[gilded plover]

Right.. but is the attack itself warp, or just the blue burning after?

[deft stump]

PATH WHY YOU REMIND ME.

[buoyant maple]

Well
It was more the unavoidable fall damage bs from being grabbed

[zealous wing]

EE go brr more like

[thorn cedar]

We did that. That was two havoc cycles ago.

[patent mango]

well in havoc ranged units always mattered lo

[buoyant maple]

If the attack looks blue, warp
If the attack doesn’t look blue, not warp

[patent mango]

then everyone takes bubble

[thorn cedar]

Sure let's put Havoc 30 shooters into Heresy.

[patent mango]

and it doesnt matter but ignore that

[zealous wing]

warp attacks are all attacks that would increase peril, except DS parry and laspistol push.

[white sky]

April Fools update

[rancid geyser]

they had that collision bug for like a whole 3 days where they could grab you into a wall and damage you

fun times

[deft stump]

And most people are hard wired to shoot heads. And they blend in as well.

[thorn cedar]

And they're all yellow stimmed or whichever one it was that lets them fire off a 45 round salvo.

[buoyant maple]

Nah let’s make red a base game mechanic

[gilded plover]

Well the attack or "projectile" of the Voidstrike/Voidblast staff does look blue.. but it does not set the target on warp "fire"

[patent mango]

idk i dont like plasma gunners being 10x more of a threat than like 10 normal elite gunners

[long saddle]

me proccing KF 🤓

[patent mango]

or shotgunners

[rancid geyser]

i feel like plasma gunners need to glow a lot more, like A LOT

[gilded plover]

So all staff attacks (except melee) then

[buoyant maple]

Since it looks blue it’s a warp attack
The blue fire is also warp damage

[patent mango]

like those guys just exist to feed talents by this point

[deft stump]

I would slow all of it down. Also make them blow themselves up after 7 ahots in a row if no pause.

[pale prairie]

Hard to shoot body cause enemy blocking. I think if the fire rate was slightly slowed and they knocked enemies to the ground that would be great

[winged trail]

i wouldn't mind them as they are for the most part they just have no sound queues and are hard to find until you're already domed

[white sky]

See thats the change I hard disagree with because now it sounds like you don't want to interact with them at all

[rancid geyser]

idm their fire rate too much but plasmagunners can get like a 20% reduction in fire rate maybe, but i NEED THEM TO GLOW more so its easier to find the bastards in crowds

[long saddle]

should the plasma guns drone or something

[rancid geyser]

only class ive had fun fighting plasmas has been psyker so far

[white sky]

FPV drone enemies added to darktide

[bright summit]

Yeah, it's s4 launch stingtails and s5 launch stalkers COMBINED

[winged trail]

they arent too bad on ogryn since you can bull rush/taunt them to force them into melee

[buoyant maple]

I play the event with exe boltgun lmao

Just 1 shot the plasma gunners from afar

[bright summit]

If you play m1 ek they don't exist

[pale prairie]

Ogryn taunt stonks just keep rising

[deft stump]

The gun should glow bright green (or red) as well, not a dull red.

[white sky]

I genuinely think a lot of people will be fine with PGs in like a week or two

[gilded plover]

this applies to staffs right?

[long saddle]

any crits

[buoyant maple]

Yes

[thorn cedar]

all crits

[zealous wing]

melee, warp, ranged, etc

[winged trail]

in a game with such amazing sound design otherwise idk how plasma gunner got pooted out as they are

[deft stump]

Is more, you shoot an avg plama 7-8 times in a row, you explode. They do that, they explode as well.

[gilded plover]

So Crit = any crit whatsoever, unless specified to "non-warp", "warp", or something else

[pale prairie]

They were rushing tree reworks

[patent mango]

probably didnt have the time to make em good

[white sky]

Except you literally dont

[long saddle]

maybe not explode

[white sky]

You shoot 8-9 shots and cooldown the gun

[long saddle]

but have to vent it at least

[gilded plover]

Thanks

[white sky]

Vets haven't used charged shot plasma in ages

[deft stump]

PTSD today, I guess...

[white sky]

You used to and they shouldve kept that to add any level of skill floor to plasma

[rancid geyser]

all crits

[patent mango]

they jsut need to add the plasma rework they're workin on next update

[rancid geyser]

they should un nerf IAG 🙂

[deft stump]

So force them into a long pause to vent. Even karking reapers need to pump/crank a reload.

[bright summit]

They should nerf the IAG more

[pale prairie]

They should just nerf everything and make us use only staff special

[zealous wing]

its only slightly better than a reconlas the fuck you mean nerf it more

[buoyant maple]

Not slightly better lol

[zealous wing]

o i see, yes, this

[rancid geyser]

why? its not like its strong or anything

[white sky]

Mfs still use the accatran en masse instead of this

[patent mango]

why use that when you can use braced autogun and discover that its still mid 🙏

[buoyant maple]

The gun that does 800+ damage per crit on a class that generates infinite crits

[pale prairie]

So a whole clip for a havoc crusher half a clip for auric?

[zealous wing]

its not even CLOSE to mid

[buoyant maple]

Versus the gun that crit to burn thing to death over time with 400 DOT ticks

[zealous wing]

braced auto is complete TRASH

[patent mango]

i wouldnt know i havent managed to use it for long enough

[thorn cedar]

yea well i cant reload the autoguns in less than one second so

[rancid geyser]

im using focus target so a full clip can kill maybe 2-3 crushers

[buoyant maple]

Skill checked by lag

[pale prairie]

Auric health?

[thorn cedar]

and that insta-reload trick is ... too tricky even for me

[patent mango]

i saw braced doing like 9 dmg and nothing interesting and deleted it

[rancid geyser]

yes lmao, and the clip was without skirmisher stacks

no redirect fire either cause i dont use it

[long saddle]

I've had some fun with braced auto on gunker

[rancid geyser]

took the +25 toughness instead

[deft stump]

But skirmisher stonks.

[pale prairie]

I mean it is strong but that’s like what 20-30 crushers for all your ammo?

[rancid geyser]

PSword baby!

[long saddle]

it's nice to not be so zoomed in for like a big chunk of elites

[pale prairie]

Well duh psword is built for two shitting carapace

[buoyant maple]

3 now

[pale prairie]

Oh my god

Ruined

[rancid geyser]

yeah its stuck at 3 hits minimum

[pine relic]

Is enfeeble worth it?

[buoyant maple]

Or 4-5 in havoc max

[rancid geyser]

unless you have a stimmy

[pale prairie]

Buff psword

[thorn cedar]

if ur recon lasgun reloads dont look like this dont talk to me
https://www.twitch.tv/exploitstv/clip/KitschySuspiciousSmoothieRiPepperonis-D6uy5Ek9qpdZUR1P

[gilded plover]

Does Empowered Psionics apply to Electrokinetic staff since its secondary attack is Smite?

[pale prairie]

Turns out when you have 30 SG stacks things just die

[long saddle]

no

[zealous wing]

fun part is, 30 stacks is easy to get

[rancid geyser]

i mean its still fun to watch

[pale prairie]

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhh

[rancid geyser]

nope

[long saddle]

I find high stacks harder to get with warp ghost

[zealous wing]

clear a horde, or hold quell if its a section like dark communion right before the boss spawns

[thorn cedar]

it used to, a long time ago, which was a dumb bug

[gilded plover]

you can get pretty much 100% uptime on it with Warp Siphon keystone

[gilded plover]

Very sadge...

[long saddle]

but ig I also don't run much in terms of peril handling

[rancid geyser]

you know whats sad?

technically the EK staff electrocutes

but doesnt get the amp from the smite upgrade

[zealous wing]

why? its for passive quell not battlemed or BCoB

[gilded plover]

It should get buffs from both upgrade from smite and psionics 😄

[long saddle]

yes but I just start at a much higher % compared to before

[rancid geyser]

well we would have the problem of EK actually being digusting

[pale prairie]

The actual moving parts of a match makes this difficult lmao. But you can get that high yes

[rancid geyser]

10% increased damage for free

basically

just sad that the game doesnt work how it states

[gilded plover]

yes please, I want it to be disgusting

[rancid geyser]

FS like doing that

[buoyant maple]

It already is

[bright summit]

They really buffed everything except ep

Ek is digusting

[thorn cedar]

10% damage for only electric damage for one talent point is a pretty miserable payout

[bright summit]

Ek is so egregiously overpowered

[pale prairie]

Oh monsoon has awoken

[long saddle]

I mean it's single target

[bright summit]

Like it's the highest ceiling staff but also it's so fucked up to play esp new patch

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/here-it-comes-tornado-meme-gif-23054073

[rancid geyser]

not the most efficient correct, BUT

damage is damage

[zealous wing]

huh yeah free damage i wonder where we could get that

[rancid geyser]

and it technically COULD introduce more BPs in Havoc

[zealous wing]

how does 15% dmg sound

[buoyant maple]

Havoc is not rly a breakpoint game

[verbal thistle]

It's a dps/skill check

[pale prairie]

It’s a 45 min slog

[buoyant maple]

Even for vet rn tbh cuz ur buffs fluctuate

[rancid geyser]

in all fairness if that node did work on EK i would say it would have to be a must take

[bright summit]

Darktide is just not a breakpoint game

[pale prairie]

It was once

[rancid geyser]

its only 5% less than a more conditional node lmao

[buoyant maple]

Obv it’s a good idea to know how many hits it would take to kill smth

[bright summit]

Please don't buff ek if anything it needs to be nerfed

[buoyant maple]

But it’s not the end all be all

[zealous wing]

if it worked i'd still take BB over smite

[cursive thorn]

which is that one

[bright summit]

Lightning stadf

[rancid geyser]

what the rass is this?

[deft stump]

Surge. Or the electro.

[rancid geyser]

it is

[pale prairie]

Monsoon is talking about LMB focused lighting staff build

[buoyant maple]

It kinda isn’t anymore

[pale prairie]

Just shooting millions of times

[zealous wing]

nerf the staff thats struggling with the HP boosted enemies, not the 3million damage dealing inferno stave... makes sense

[rancid geyser]

just has been tuned down a bit

lmb EK ftw

enjoy losing your index tho

[bright summit]

I say that apples are too much and you somehow interpret it as me saying oranges aren't what is wrong with your reading comprehension

[wraith sphinx]

fuck them fingers

[buoyant maple]

Psyker in general op

~80 nerfs away from being not op

[pale prairie]

Macros and mods lead to powers some might call….unnatural

[wraith sphinx]

watch it get more buffs in 2026 🙈

[buoyant maple]

Oh I’m sure

[rancid geyser]

its not really struggling imo

[bright summit]

I play ek without autofire I just click a lot

[rancid geyser]

again had a bad discussion a few months ago that made me not respect macros

nothing against anyone that using them

[long saddle]

this is why I installed auto fire mod lol

[rancid geyser]

well most of yall i should say are cool by me

[buoyant maple]

They will def buff psyker again despite it already being far above the rest

lol

[pale prairie]

I straight up don’t respect them. “Jarvis, play Darktide for me”

[buoyant maple]

Because “glass cannon” is enough to justify everything

[bright summit]

unless you need it for accessibility you shouldn't be using macros

[thorn cedar]

Me when I'm glass cannon with 33% DR

[long saddle]

let's just call it skill cannon instead

[wraith sphinx]

they straight up removed the glass part now

[winged trail]

autoclicker is fine because i like my finger not exploding while using certain weapons but anything beyond that is ehhhhhh

[wraith sphinx]

I can stand side by side with any zealot and just take it

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/typing-keyboard-fast-gif-22223727

[gilded plover]

What is the best dump stat on Electrokinetic staff in your opinion?

[rancid geyser]

43%

[long saddle]

yeah I don't macro specific stuff

[bright summit]

Warp resist

[gilded plover]

Thought so

[rancid geyser]

we immaterially focused out here boyo

[bright summit]

I have a new build I'm going to test on ek now they buffed reality anchor

[rancid geyser]

or technically if you are warp siphon thats 48% dr

i actually feel tankier than Vet sometimes

[solid kettle]

can anybody in here help me i havent played in a year and i would like to relearn the psyker role

[winged trail]

my poor finger on bully club light attack builds

[thorn cedar]

Kill, don't be killed.

[bright summit]

I made a video about ek if you want to take a look

[solid kettle]

i used to know the talent tree very well but its all different now

[thorn cedar]

yea its fun

[rancid geyser]

share?

if its allowed

[zealous wing]

a lot of stuff is the same, just in better positions. some stuff is buffed or merged, at least one removed

WE is merged with quietude, and is something completely different now

so if you took WE before, take quietude

[rancid geyser]

only persons vids here ive ever watched are from @plucky flax

[pale prairie]

Pick a weapon, staff, gun, melee

[pale prairie]

Thought you have auto clicker?

[thorn cedar]

I always said Quietude and Warp Expenditure should be merged and the values split down the middle and here we are.

[buoyant maple]

I actually think even if power sword could run cycler + BM + sunder + slaughterer + rampage all at the same time, vet still isn’t as good as psyker

That’s how far psyker is above the other 4 classes rn

[bright summit]

https://youtu.be/LUmtHv0M6yY

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-smart-princess-bride-grandpa-funny-gif-5253871429487941597

[bright summit]

Its just 1 build

[rancid geyser]

vet exists to support team and kill bosses, and even then the others kinda do all of it better

sadly

jack of all trades class imo, the veteran

which isnt bad

[zealous wing]

vet is there for yellow toughness wdym kill bosses

[pale prairie]

“HAVOC 40 HERETICS HATE THIS ONE SIMPLE TRICK”

[bright summit]

In terms of damage nothing comes close, stagger on havocs needs to fix and we need to gut inferno and maybe m1 ek and then we can talk

[rancid geyser]

i aint say it does its as fast as anyone else but i most definatley can

might take 1.5x the time tho

unless yall are 1 shotting on zealot

[solid kettle]

is assail still strong?

[pale prairie]

Wait you always talk of how OP m1 ek is but it only MAYBE needs gutted?

[pale prairie]

Yes

[solid kettle]

lovely i used to love assail

[night moat]

This had me in tears: https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/mzJtl9mfl2

[bright summit]

The numbers are not as numerically impressive there's so much that needs to be nerfed before it

But yeah they should've reverted the m1 buff

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/interesting-are-you-sure-hmmm-ryan-reynolds-deadpool-gif-16768033426439603915

[bright summit]

And also remove the horrible horrible disgusting suppression

[analog agate]

Oh, is EK good in havoc with the new tree?

[rancid geyser]

iirc didnt m1 get strong AFTER ES got added?

[solid kettle]

what about scriers gaze?

[analog agate]

It was very meh earlier

[bright summit]

And yeah it is op but so is most things in dt

[bright summit]

It was always good

[willow hazel]

always has been

[rancid geyser]

didnt really see m1 builds much until empyrix shock got added

[zealous wing]

from commisarTyr

[pale prairie]

It’s doable with skill and super mouse clicks

[buoyant maple]

Nah what

[bright summit]

Something like that I don't remember

Es is fucked up

[rancid geyser]

wasnt a serious comment btw

[night moat]

Glorious

[bright summit]

It goes through shields and you can debuff bulwarks and then kill them with ep BB if you're awesome

[rancid geyser]

this node was exclucively the reason i actually started playing psyker -- had one lvl 30 but nothing was fun until they added that node

[deft stump]

Be knoife spammer. Already on another lvl. Lul.

[analog agate]

I think we have a different definition on good then haha. Ek was behind both inferno and VB in h40

So that tells me it is still mediocre

[bright summit]

Its a different role it's weaker but not comparible

[gilded plover]

Im glad that the sexiest Psyker skin in the game is free (not the headgear, just the body and trousers)

[bright summit]

Maybe if inferno and trauma aren't the strongest weapons in the game then

[willow hazel]

I'm pretty sure you don't want to run ES on m1 builds, unless something changed recently

[rancid geyser]

trousers go hard ngl

[bright summit]

Its not bugged iirc so it's a must pick for me

Es that is

[gilded plover]

Yes theyre epic, the little skull is cherry on top

[zealous wing]

i just wish they didnt clip with everything

[gilded plover]

It depends on the rest of the cosmetics

It works good with the top i wear

[willow hazel]

the problem is everything dies in 1-3 headshots, so it's not adding that much damage

[rancid geyser]

what?

[zealous wing]

any top like this the rope clips

its small but bothers me

[deft stump]

Be vet main, you become immune to clipping.

[rancid geyser]

you might be talking about ER no ES

1 is just free damage on m1 build

[willow hazel]

ES, +6% damage per m1 hit

[rancid geyser]

the other is negatively impacting your crit chance because of build up

ES you WANT for m1

its free damage

[zealous wing]

even with the havoc top

[willow hazel]

one crit kills a shotgunner/gunner, so what is ES doing?

[deft stump]

It it can clip, it will clip.

[wraith sphinx]

[rancid geyser]

means more damage from ES

it matters on havoc imo

pretty much the only time ES matters

because increased health and the damage reduction from blessings in havoc

[willow hazel]

Ok but against which enemies? Doesn't help with hoards, it's <10% damage against shotgunners/gunners. M1 is already pretty bad against unyielding.

[rancid geyser]

but each extra projectile you get from surge is a faster damage amp if you ever are not at max, and the damage just carries kills on dudes with more hp

[rancid geyser]

any special, elite or even on hoards even though you have vent for that

[willow hazel]

most specials and elites are dead in 1-3 hits, even on havoc

[rancid geyser]

have you gotten to higher havocs?

if you did you could easilly notice the changes

in damage

[willow hazel]

yeah I cleared havoc 40 with m1 surge

[rancid geyser]

in lower levels enemies dont have the hp to notice

[willow hazel]

and no ES

maybe if you are only doing body shots, but it still just kills most stuff in 2-3 hits

[rancid geyser]

things it actively helps you kill in high havocs: Crushers, Reapers, Bulwarks, Captains, Monsters

[willow hazel]

I don't think you want to be shooting Crushers, monsters, bulwarks or captains with m1

reapers is fine, but mostly just because it insta supresses

it's a slow TTK either way

[bright summit]

Surge double procs it so as long as it's not a 1 shot you get benefits from it

[rancid geyser]

i mean i do, but im not focused on just M1 -- as long as they dont have the blessings you still kinda kill them at a decent enough pace

i dont have a mod to emulate it but, just stacking damage is nice and kind of free no?

[bright summit]

Its definitely not necessary but you don't have that many good talents pre patch so it's what I always had on

[rancid geyser]

missing the damage means dude live longer and the longer they are alive the more opps they have to kill you

thats just my take

[willow hazel]

pre patch the m1 build was really tight

[thorn cedar]

im rootin for ya objekts

[bright summit]

And even now I just like grabbing every damage talents I see and rely on movement and block to live

That's just my personal build theory

[pale prairie]

Is this the 6500 hp crusher or 10k?

[rancid geyser]

10k crusher would take more than what i just showcased

i just cant get it in the trainer atm

no mods

[willow hazel]

So you surge proc a gunner in the head, they either die or are left at <20% HP, an extra 12% damage doesn't really help

[pale prairie]

Yeah I figured

[rancid geyser]

only takes 1 more shock to kill tho

[bright summit]

Ragers and maulers

[rancid geyser]

unless blessed

[bright summit]

And you can't guarantee headshots and in those cases having it is very nice

[rancid geyser]

and if you are holding warpsiphon stacks you can kill groups of crushers at a decent rate

[pale prairie]

Do you grab ES at the expense of souldrinker into wildfire?

[rancid geyser]

cant say that for purgy staff

[bright summit]

Actually I do see your point against your favorable target pool it's not that much value

[bright summit]

No I take all of them

[pale prairie]

Yeah can’t hurt but it’s not carrying the build

[bright summit]

I do think es improves neutral and unfavorable elite matchups so Ive had it always

Did I say it carries? My bad

[pale prairie]

No I don’t think you did

I am not sure if anyone did

[bright summit]

More damage is just nice to have on ek so I take plus you get so many free points now might as well get more damage

[willow hazel]

you surge proc a rager in the head twice, they are taking +24% damage on the next hit. On average ES has added (0 + 6 + 12 + 18 + 24)/5 = 12% damage

[pale prairie]

I honestly see it as a Quality of life pick because there’s not a lot of staff talents in that section if you don’t go soulblaze

[willow hazel]

maybe it's alright on maulers. It's possible that with the new talent tree it's not too out of the way, but there are a lot of defensive talents I would probably run before ES

[bright summit]

What if you hit bodyshots

[willow hazel]

skill issue?

[bright summit]

...ok

[pale prairie]

If you spam into a crowd you’d get a small damage boost to Creeping flames yeah?

[willow hazel]

yeah to everything that doesn't get 1 shot

[rancid geyser]

this

[hallow finch]

Fair

[pale prairie]

Can’t hurt against bosses. And if there’s another psyker in the group you are helping them do more warp damage

[thorn cedar]

what about back shots

[rancid geyser]

if they both eat a hit from m1 and the next tick of the flame doesnt kill i would cry -- but its really doesnt matter on crowds from what ive noticed

[willow hazel]

or the dreaded arm shot

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/gross-ew-sick-sicken-me-gif-5482736

[thorn cedar]

u just want what u cant h ave

[pale prairie]

A back?

[thorn cedar]

me

[pale prairie]

Yeah it’s more about there’s a small amount of extra benefit

[pale prairie]

I can have you anytime I want

I just have standards

[thorn cedar]

........ what about ego shots

[pale prairie]

I get those all the time

[bright summit]

Es is also really good for me bc I half charge qq my M2 into super armor

So I can debuff them first and do actual damage

[pale prairie]

Ah the old quell cancel standby

[rancid geyser]

me personally i swap between it and pen of the soul

[pale prairie]

What the fuck

[rancid geyser]

because sometimes i feel like i need pen for crushers

[pale prairie]

Pen of the soul?

Really?

[rancid geyser]

ive been testing it out

lmao

but both kinda of have little benefit

pen probably far less though

penetration of the soul does reduce how many charge attacks i need from EK onto crushers, which makes me kinda sad

[bright summit]

Pots does buff M2 a bit

[pale prairie]

It’s a small buff though. The tree has cooler stuff in my opinion

[rancid geyser]

there has been warp ghost too lmao

i started takign it more

but i dont miss it when i dont hav it

dont need the +25% gen but it helps -- the negative passive quell is nice too, because it makes it easier to stay at 80%, BUT i also dont miss it when not using it

[pale prairie]

When you spam tons of m1 then yeah balancing high peril is probably easy

[rancid geyser]

i use both m1 and m2

[bright summit]

Kuro share ur build

[rancid geyser]

been shifting my tree but i can share what my last h32 run was

dont @ me because i just got back so im not in h40 atm

[plucky flax]

I heard only karien is pro enough to play h40.

[rancid geyser]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9d2f43dd-486c-444b-87b8-e92ded1c7e01

this is what i used on my last run

[pale prairie]

Yeah I heard Unsanctioned can’t even break into havoc 40 despite psyker being super buffed

[marble crater]

You better watch what you are saying, or you can say bye to getting carried

[rancid geyser]

went down once and that was the end of the run because i was the last one alive

[plucky flax]

Why didn't you just clutch?

Karien would had.

[rancid geyser]

started playing psyker again last night, mostly because i was begged to

i play it every day but last night i felt like i was legit carrying until they screamed at me for no bubble

[willow hazel]

thats my biggest gripe with playing psyker in havoc

[bright summit]

Drop safety talents for warp siphon nodes

IFR and warp battery are insane

[wraith sphinx]

CIVI kino won 🧎‍♂️

[bright summit]

Otherwise nice build

[rancid geyser]

i know they are good, but i only removed them because it felt like i wasnt missing them too much

[bright summit]

Wait no empathic evasiom

What

[rancid geyser]

im figuring what to take off to put them back

but im always at max stacks right after shrieking

[marble crater]

At that point you jump off the map on purpose and watch them seethe

[rancid geyser]

so i didnt feel like in fire reborn mattered

[rancid geyser]

i be playing corners

[deft stump]

I AM NOT! I PESTER YOU TO CARRY ME EVERY WEEK.

[bright summit]

Just make sure to grab warp battery

[wraith sphinx]

[bright summit]

IFR is there so I can farm shriek off grunts

Teehee

[rancid geyser]

probably give up penetration of the soul for it

maybe i think

[willow hazel]

is IFR better than vampire now?

[bright summit]

Battle med

It always is if you have soulblaze

[rancid geyser]

battle meditation + warpghost is how i sit at 80%

[bright summit]

I took it pre patch into purple when you can't kill any elites

[rancid geyser]

without blowing myself up to overuse

gives me 1 more shock with m2 when im using it

and like 4-5 more m1 clicks

[thorn cedar]

other people?

[willow hazel]

Your teammates have to really be slacking for 10% soulblaze kills to be more than 4% all kills

[willow hazel]

they all want shield

[thorn cedar]

freal

[willow hazel]

and shield is lame

[thorn cedar]

how about you take smokes mr veteran

[wraith sphinx]

shield is so fucking boring

[thorn cedar]

see ill take shield

but itll be wall shield

[wraith sphinx]

I can't speak for the hard half of havoc but if you need the bubble shield to survive any other difficulty in the game that's a massive skill issue

[marble crater]

The tool tip is wrong, it's 10% chance while enemies die while affected by soulblaze, not dying to soulblaze

[thorn cedar]

remains true

[rancid geyser]

bruh

you have no idea

the reason why i have fell to 32 is ppl dying, more than me

its not like they killing anything when they are on the ground or waiting lmao

[bright summit]

Its as long as they have a stack of soulblaze on them if they die, so both your teammates and you can help you get atacks

[plucky flax]

Yeah vet should take smoke. No shield needed.

[thorn cedar]

yea but 10% of any kill

[plucky flax]

Extremely based strat

[thorn cedar]

like thats still better

unless you are two+ psykers leaning heavy on soulblaze

[rancid geyser]

its 10 kills from me on average vs 20 kills across the entire team on average

[wraith sphinx]

I ❤️ smoke vets

[willow hazel]

So it's better if >40% of enemies die while soulblazed?

[rancid geyser]

i think in a situation where you dont trust the team you rather in fire

which might be most of the time

[marble crater]

I'm leaving the math to other people

[thorn cedar]

literally just bubble shield with infinite health and twice the uptime and no use cooldown (just 60s for the grenade regen)

[plucky flax]

Its op

[rancid geyser]

wait WHAT?!?!

REALLY?

[wraith sphinx]

oh yeah also a question

[willow hazel]

but muh toughness regen

[wraith sphinx]

how well do channeled force and emypric shock work w inferno?

[plucky flax]

I dunno I don't take them.

I just spam right click forever.

[wraith sphinx]

same I was wondering if that has been shaken up with this patch

[marble crater]

Yes

[marble crater]

it's also not limited to coherency range

[pale prairie]

You’ll also notice one of these is limited to coherence

[rancid geyser]

i still have to path through 8% base damage to get back to that though

feels sorely inefficient

[pale prairie]

Sut so fast and smart

[marble crater]

You are limited to coherency

[pale prairie]

Yes sir

[bright summit]

Channeled force doesn't apply to dot

[marble crater]

Well now I feel bad for writing that...

[pale prairie]

That’s a good way to fake English coherency just repeating back a previous statement

[bright summit]

8% base damage 15% cdr

[cosmic cobalt]

empyric shock work pretty well for inferno staff if you want to keep up blaze away stack with warp rider

[jovial juniper]

Not really

But

Iirc

[wraith sphinx]

CF not working w inferno dot is kind of a deal breaker for me

[rancid geyser]

ngl forgot about THAT

[wraith sphinx]

so I'll spend points elsewhere

[jovial juniper]

M1 would be just AoE Shock spreading

[plucky flax]

CF? Creeping flames?

[bright summit]

Channeled force

[plucky flax]

[summer prairie]

Empyric shock is a good multiplicative damage buff if you either have to play more defensively or everything is already at high stacks, maybe a huge blob of healing armor

or if there's another psyker on the team

(for purg)

[rancid geyser]

ES is nice into maulers [at least i like to tell myself this]

[patent steeple]

Empyric Shock doesn't proc from purg rmb, right?

[summer prairie]

it procs on primary attacks

[wraith sphinx]

yeah obviously

[rancid geyser]

it stacks through m1

idrk if the m2 damage is really affected by it

[summer prairie]

all warp damage is affected by it, including SB dots and other psykers

[rancid geyser]

well now we got ppl saying IT AFFECTS DOTS AND DOESNT