psyker-class

[pale prairie]

Was rending noticeable on fart armor guys?

[plucky flax]

I guess so since they had 40% brittleness and that enabled me to bonk them harder on my fgs.

[marble crater]

What about... rending blaze

We have 5% extra crit in the tree now

[pale prairie]

Surprised how many creeping flames builds I see DONT take it

[marble crater]

You will be happy to hear that I do take it

[fathom adder]

I hope this works so I can call it Blending

[marble crater]

I will play it now

[fathom adder]

Godspeed Blending Trauma

[pale prairie]

I am always proud of you.

Except when you can’t carry

[marble crater]

I just die first, never in a position to carry

[pale prairie]

Ah I see just talking about smite rework while dead?

Rest of team fighting for their lives?

[marble crater]

Couldn't be me, do you know how long it takes to type with controller?

The delay of opening the interface alone takes longer than writing a short message

[modest perch]

common console L

[young cliff]

would like to see it, already have some Soulfire staff builds but im lacking some Electro and Trauma ones that feel unique between eachother

[pale prairie]

I just thought talking was just hard for you

[marble crater]

I'm not a talkative person

Karien is my witness

[strong gulch]

I can talk more now that I got a pedal. Typing, even on PC, it hard. Even though I have some issues understanding people, it's faster.

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/stoicism-stoic-stoicismonsol-justice-revenge-gif-1288087342806328074

[pale prairie]

Wait like a pedal to activate voice?

That’s actually kind of cool

[strong gulch]

Yes. A usb foot pedal for push to talk.

=

[pale prairie]

Nice

[strong gulch]

that's my ptt key

Though sometimes I get confused why I'm not moving forward despite stomping on the pedal.

I haven't driven in years and yet...

[plucky flax]

I have it like this. Keep in mind this is intended for havoc and only when there's a purg guy already on team (I'd tell them to go creeping flames as well)

[pale prairie]

Hmmmm sprint is foot pedal?

[strong gulch]

This was basically my build for it too.

[plucky flax]

[pale prairie]

Hmmm Ogryn damage worth not having Ghost to mitigate ER?

[strong gulch]

No. Driving is a foot pedal. Makes you go forward.

So in game when I'm doing a similar action, I get confused on why no foward.

Just silly brain things

[pale prairie]

Haha

[plucky flax]

Take off one with the warp

For ghost then

[strong gulch]

Making foot pedal my special button would be funny.

staff bonk? stomp
knife punch? stomp
FGS warpy slash? stomp

[zealous wing]

iimagine playing this game in VR

specifically as a meleeker or staffker, constantly keeping your arms up or swinging

[fathom adder]

You'd need to play on a greased-up treadmill

Or only play ogryn/aarbite with a shield

[zealous wing]

idk if psyker can be played well on xbox i dont think VR is out of the question

[shrewd comet]

Is wildfire really as bad as folks claim?

[summer prairie]

I went rending because I thought Agent was going purg, but you get enough SB from just shriek and PC, I think. Might get the rending node too for 60% total on a rotten armor map

[thorn cedar]

No. It's worse.

[thorn cedar]

The moment I'd have to do a 180 to shoot a sniper and then 180 back to fight in melee I'd be on the floor vomiting.

Maybe for a fun sight seeing tour in Sedition but never to actually play the game.

[marble crater]

I play on Xbox

So no, psyker can't be played well

[young cliff]

if is not much to ask, can i see the build you used? would want to round up some Trauma builds to have

[strong gulch]

It has specific use cases. SB wants as multiple sources and things to proc off. It wants to snowball.

Wildfire is good for that.

[marble crater]

You don't have to decide between psy aura and wildfire anymore, take both, it's free and on the way down anyway

[summer prairie]

On mobile and don't have the build

[zealous wing]

says the dude playing h40 on xbox

[summer prairie]

It was pretty standard

[marble crater]

I don't really play havoc, dealing with party finder or trying to get a group together is annoying, I just want to play without dealing with all that

[strong gulch]

Can't play havocs when Clad is asking for night caps.

[young cliff]

yeah, but still trying to figure what "standard" is, dont sell yourself short. thanks anyway mate

[marble crater]

I also can't play when the game takes away my weapons and blitz

I can't work like this

[zealous wing]

idk man you still got a kill

[young cliff]

weapon is overrated when you can kill with your mind

[zealous wing]

is a dumb bug tho how often this happen?

[plucky flax]

I dunno I like it pls no flame

[marble crater]

First time it happened to me and also never see it happen to anyone else, so can't be that common I think

I guess it was because I was spamming the button

[zealous wing]

at least it was by extract holy shit

[marble crater]

Yeah, if the game hadn't abandoned the mission 1 minute after the clip ended

[young cliff]

when you have 60 rending what melee you take? FGS?

[zealous wing]

🙄

this abort shit sounds irritating to deal with

[summer prairie]

The rending is for carapace sb

[strong gulch]

UHHHH

[steel flame]

People say wildfire is bad but most couldn't tell you how or why it's supposed to be bad to save their life

[zealous wing]

havent had it yet except once, before we launched into the mission

[steel flame]

It's not needed for purgatus but it's absolutely excellent for blazing spirit

[zealous wing]

we being bean and... okri? i dont actually know who the other is

partner?

[strong gulch]

Is good on purg / inferno. Iw oudl agree not "needed", but makes good use of it.

Also patching to wildfire is less competive for points now.

[shrewd comet]

Huh. I took it just for DoT's to crit for that "crits make you dodge ranged attacks" lol

[weary idol]

damage over time can't crit

[weary idol]

it's a damage increase, and is adequate pathing for staff psyker

might as well take it

[misty nest]

I realized I have no idea how to play psyker

im so used to chainsword + bolt pistol/revolver that I have no idea how to play anything else

[strong gulch]

Try FGS (force great sword) and bistol

[misty nest]

ive been testing that out over the past little bit but I have yet to get the hang of it

[zealous wing]

ran a super non-indepth test, btw, same amount of bullets, allowing for rlas to run its burn time, (using the middle mark of rlas as well for highest dmg per bullet in the 2nd bar 1st image, top mark for the 3rd bar, img 2)(all headshots, taking care to make sure i did not miss any shots), same build... vraks did more dmg, and faster.

so, top mark rlas, and vraks, pretty similar, though vraks was quicker and more punch per bullet, rlas might be more useful for ammo conservation if youre trying to proc mettle a ton. can run a proper indepth test when my brain is ready for it

[marble crater]

You don't have to test this, we already know that vraks deals more damage but reconlas has better ammo economy and more pew pew

[zealous wing]

yeah but i was scolded :(

[marble crater]

by Karien?

[zealous wing]

or more aptly, flamed

😔

[marble crater]

For sure Karien then if you were flamed

[zealous wing]

might go back to BRR, though, not sure

rlas is nice to aim, and the burn is also very nice when you're shooting a trapper running around a corner

but vraks boss damage, especially if the monster is focused on someone else, is also nice

[young cliff]

Karien is a flamer? for shame, never thought that could be true

[marble crater]

Biggest carry and biggest flamer

[young cliff]

speaking of Lasgun and Vraks, is there a difference on the perk tree? or they are basically the same build?

[strong gulch]

Is more or less and inside joke

She stare tho

[zealous wing]

rlas makes more use of mettle, if you use it specifically for the movement speed

like i do

but its pretty versatile, like vraks is also

[strong gulch]

Basically same build.

Note that recon has higher rate of fire for more mettle and EE procs with better ammo econ.

Vraks 5 is harder to wield but punches harder.

The middle child is laspistol.

[zealous wing]

i dont understand laspistol

i DO see its quick reload tho

[strong gulch]

More monster DPS than recon but not as much of a powerhouse as vraks

[young cliff]

its headshot damage hurts a fair bit

[zealous wing]

idk if i even have a listol

[strong gulch]

Ye. If you can headshot, laspistol is pretty great

[zealous wing]

i have ONE laspistol

[strong gulch]

But is you miss a lot, recon is more forgiving

[young cliff]

wonder if there is specific variations in perk tree to favour using a Lasgun or a Vraks
basically making 2 builds but each is tailored for each gun

[strong gulch]

not really except for maybe get quick shards for assail

for vraks or laspistol

Otherwise same build

It's more how you in particular play.

If you melee more, BcoB.

If you shoot more, TTS (tranq through slaughter)

[zealous wing]

huh well, that would be tempting if i didnt have EE

[strong gulch]

If you don't care about SG lasting longer then niether.

[zealous wing]

i wonder if thats something other classes see and drool over

[strong gulch]

I think vet uses ghost on the some of the las weapons

[zealous wing]

honestly tho this is for specifically weakspot hits, not just crits....

immortal psyker? o.o

[young cliff]

see? there are minor details on how the lasgun is more ammo effective so you could potentially shoot more and the vraks hitting hard but spending more would favour melee engagements a little more.

thanks for the details btw

[strong gulch]

Yes but if you are do more melee than not, then gun matters less.

It's not just a weapon, it's also how you play.

[zealous wing]

can you have infernus rlas burn active same time as like, PC burn?

double DoT stuff

[cosmic cobalt]

im sure they're like different dot

[strong gulch]

But they are the same build. I personally would not change my recon build if I slapped vraks 5 on it instead.

[young cliff]

imo if you are a character in the game, like Psyker is, then you should melee, its irrelevant if you whipe the gun to take down that army of gunners to become intangible by bullets or to down a boss

[cosmic cobalt]

warpfire and burn are 2 different thing

[rough gale]

What gun does it have?

[strong gulch]

ok

So you prioritized melee, that will influence how you build more than recon vs vraks 5.

[zealous wing]

this is on heavy laspistol, inflas seems to also have it

recon las does not

[rough gale]

Thank you!

[zealous wing]

its nearly the same as the Empathic Evasion talent

except this is weakspots, that ones crits

[strong gulch]

Yes. You can DoT max. It's funny. Psyker can do all of them at the same time.

[strong gulch]

Bleed knife, burn gun, SB, and charged strikes.

[zealous wing]

i can definitely see the appeal of guarenteed immunity but also the fallback of a chance of immunity if oyu miss the weakspot but happen to still crit

this would be like

peak meleeker for me i think, might try this on a non-bosskill build

see if it does fuck all

[strong gulch]

I can crit but I can't weakspot for shit. EE for those with a skissue. 🙋

[zealous wing]

its weird because i dont much like the listol, but its not as shit as the braced autogun for me

[strong gulch]

Braced is shit tho

[zealous wing]

when i was vet i accidentally equipped my braced auto and i was so pissed the whole match

[strong gulch]

IDK about other classes, but on psyker it's lol

[zealous wing]

it was just my spouse and i, thank fuck, he heard ALL the swear words

i HATE that thing

idc about damage i HATE braced weapons

[strong gulch]

My build randomizer rolled braced for me once. OOOOOh it felt not great.

[analog verge]

there's no way to access FGS mk6's thrust attack immediately, right? its gotta be after force push/heavy 1?

[strong gulch]

correct

[zealous wing]

we needed to finish the mission to stack up to heresy i think? so like, we couldnt QUIT but OOHhhhh i wanted to

[zealous wing]

light attack 1 into a heavy also works

its not immediate but its quick

[young cliff]

mk6 or 8? because 8 is the push attack one

[strong gulch]

Heavy 2. That's it.

[analog verge]

ah, right, not push attack

[strong gulch]

talking FGS 6

[analog verge]

6 is the one yeah

[young cliff]

mk6 is just chain of heavies

[analog verge]

shame

[zealous wing]

wdym chain of heavies

[analog verge]

overhead into thrust into overhead into thrust into overh

[zealous wing]

light one

then heavy

[young cliff]

wait, you can actually light into heavy

[zealous wing]

one sec

[strong gulch]

Yeah

[analog verge]

you can

[strong gulch]

H2 is what you're looking for.

[young cliff]

light 1 chains to the stab heavy

[young cliff]

FG combo chart?!

[strong gulch]

The moveset for FGS 6 with a light then heavy is L1 H2.

If you don't want to think about it too hard, can just spam heavies

[zealous wing]

:(

i just wanted to figure out if i keep with the black sclera or change to white

[strong gulch]

Ok so, the lighting change is irritating.

It made hair more shiny and black hair looks grey now. It also made skin tones darker and more rich. So my super pale psyker looks like they went tanning, but my dark skin psyker actually looks like dark skin now. Still not deep dark, but it's better for them at the very least. HOWEVER, hair is even more ridiculous on dark skin now. fecking RIP.

[strong gulch]

50k to try and 100k to change back

[zealous wing]

its free so

[strong gulch]

I like the black sclera more.

[zealous wing]

black with blue is also pretty sick but i wanna keep orange

[strong gulch]

orange ye

[zealous wing]

but also, yeah, you can change appearance any time for free

[strong gulch]

oh rifht

right

[marble crater]

Where are orange eyes from again?

[zealous wing]

VT2

[strong gulch]

VT2

[zealous wing]

pc only

steam account stuff

[marble crater]

Discrimination I see...

[zealous wing]

same with the vibrant red hair

and this specific white hair

tho imma be honest the difference is so minimal

base game...........................................................................VT2

base game reds

vt2

tho VT2 red IS very vibrant indeed

[copper jay]

Did you have one ?

[zealous wing]

i ran gunker before update yeah

even if i hadnt though, these two new perks ALONE indicate stronger gunker

and the fact everything is easier to access tree-wise,

[hollow jolt]

is the Toughness Replenishment for Coherency only or all sources?

[zealous wing]

i think coherency

[ripe obsidian]

From which source?

It depends.

[hollow jolt]

ah from Warp Ghost

[ripe obsidian]

"(3) Increases the amount of any toughness replenished by melee kills, talents, and select weapon blessings (only Momentum) by 25%; stacks additively with the related buff from Ogryn's aura Stay Close! and with toughness replenishment debuffs like being in toxic gas. Does not apply to coherency toughness regeneration."

[modest perch]

nah its from everything

[hollow jolt]

yeah I'm always just a bit skeptical over "toughness replenishment" due to the Curio funny :p

[zealous wing]

ah its curio toughness im thinking of

[hollow jolt]

oh shit nice

[zealous wing]

curio TRS is coherency

[modest perch]

strictly speaking replenishment means from doing stuff whereas regen is coherency

[hollow jolt]

I should try Warp Ghost then

I skipped over it due to concerns if it was "coherency" or "all" but good to know c:

[ripe obsidian]

Fatshark is great at wording that's not at all ambiguous or confusing.

[modest perch]

its goated

[zealous wing]

WG is overall a win in any build tbh

[modest perch]

yea i love it tho

[zealous wing]

the debuff to passive quelling, the toughness, the stam, all wins

[hollow jolt]

Purg staff + Warp Ghost + Emp Resolve time

[ripe obsidian]

I do like it a lot. I think it has arguably less use on SG builds, but it's never bad.

[zealous wing]

its nice for post SG

so during post SG youve still got warp rider doing decent lifting without doing much yourself

(except killing)

[pine shore]

WG is best for SG builds

[zealous wing]

WG is best for every build

[pine shore]

Becase that's where you are using the most melee and gun

[marble crater]

WG good

[zealous wing]

ESPECIALLY staffkers

[pine shore]

So generating peril is more difficult

And stamina is more useful

WG is a gunpsyker talent

[zealous wing]

its literally impossible to say what build its best for, becuase its extremely vital to everything psyker

[pine shore]

It's even better for non SG gunpsyker builds

[pine shore]

It's biggest upside is keeping you at high peril, which is mose useful when you can't quickly generate a lot of peril

[zealous wing]

...

my dudes never had to keep peril up in an elevator

[ripe obsidian]

Not sure how you're struggling to gain peril as gunker, but you do you

[zealous wing]

im convinced

dudes explaining the necessity of maintaining high peril

[pine shore]

To gain peril I have to stop shooting or using melee do either use blitz or a special

[zealous wing]

to psyker chat

[pine shore]

That's already more difficult than any other staff build

[ripe obsidian]

Or... use Scrier's Gaze.

Assail Weaving is also super basic

[zealous wing]

or, melee special attack

or, surety of arms reload, i ran tests with that, it was nice. not necessary, complete waste of points, but, nice

[ripe obsidian]

With new PA combined with SG, you should be swimming in peril.

[zealous wing]

even before update, peril was easy

[ripe obsidian]

WG is never a bad pick, but I think it's less valuable on SG builds.

[patent mango]

these acronyms are getting scarier

[ripe obsidian]

Soon we will speak entirely in acronyms

[zealous wing]

krall needs a new radio

[ripe obsidian]

For the Voidstrike section of the guide, does this opening seem fair? It might be a little harsh. Wrote it when I was sick.

"While it still excels in Auric and below, Voidstrike struggles at higher Havoc ranks. The combination of a longer RMB charge time than Voidblast (1.66 seconds without Warp Flurry), a default cleave cap of only 10, a reliance on headshots to hit anything resembling a breakpoint, and practically no CC without scoring a direct hit means that this staff just can’t perform at the level of its peers.

Voidstrike functions somewhere between pure Staff Psyker and Melee/Gun Psyker. This is another bit of misfortune, as it came out of the Psyker tree rework without getting any noteworthy boons for its niche. You can invest in Soulblaze talents and spend the whole match as a worse version Electrokinetic’s Venting Shriek spam, pick Telekine Shield and play like a Plasma Veteran with a bubble instead of a shout, or go toward Scrier’s Gaze and do the same things as a Melee/Gun Psyker, only worse.

If I sound bitter, it’s because I am. Voidstrike is my favorite staff, and it’s been all but forgotten since Havoc released. Here’s hoping it gets some changes soon."

[pine shore]

voidstrike struggles in general

[ripe obsidian]

Voidstrike is fine in Auric and below

[zealous wing]

"as a worse version *of Electrokinetic's"

[pine shore]

It's mediocre even at auric

[ripe obsidian]

takk

[ripe obsidian]

Not really. It's all I use in Auric, and I almost always top the scoreboard, even with other H40 players.

Inferno suffers in Auric due to low enemy density, same as Voidblast. EK is probably better than Voidstrike in Auric.

In high havoc, Inferno > Voidblast > EK >>> Voidstrike. In Auric, EK > Voidstrike > Voidblast > Inferno. Unless there's some armor-heavy event or maelstrom, in which case Voidblast likely wins out over Voidstrike.

But beyond grammar concerns, I think this opening is a fair assessment of Voidstrike's position in the hierarchy.

I don't think it can be balanced for Havoc without becoming absolutely oppressive in Auric, at least not in its current state. I don't know what they would change.

[marble crater]

Blazing voidstrike?

[ripe obsidian]

Disgusting.

[zealous wing]

damn my internet fucking died

[steel flame]

i love blazing voidstrike

not as much as blazing trauma mind you

[ripe obsidian]

I Voidstruck your internet.

[zealous wing]

i was making a gloriana joke 😭

[steel flame]

i refused to call the void blast staff anything but the trauma staff

[zealous wing]

if gloriana, voidblast >>>>>>> everything else

[steel flame]

dumb name change

[zealous wing]

if the joke pops up again my internet came back. (it left soon as i hit send on pc)

[patent mango]

me equipping my voidblaze staff

not as good as the voidshock staff tho

[ripe obsidian]

:(

If Voidstrike had a better LMB, I would be interested in trying Empyric Shock or Channeled Force

Or a shorter RMB charge time.

I could see Voidstrike being reworked to be sort of spellswordy. Not sure the exact path I would take with it, but something like Vet's weapon spec keystone

A blessing like, if you get a kill with Voidstrike, your next melee attack has whatever bonus

[cold hare]

Guys, is the “Do I Know You” mod on nexus safe or nay?

[ripe obsidian]

Probably. Nexus does virus scans on all mods, no?

[zealous wing]

well 2 games of noita and internets back :D

[marble crater]

[zealous wing]

the main menu music doesnt need to go this hard. listened to it while i grabbed a bit more food, and im ready to kill heretics

game may not be lacking in bugs, but its not lacking in good music either

[marble crater]

Jasper Kyd is awesome

[zealous wing]

you ever look at a psyker and know exactly which personality they chose?

[marble crater]

No

[zealous wing]

im 90% sure anyone with a bald psyker goes seer

[long wharf]

proof that cancer kids turn into psykers

[zealous wing]

damnation QP wish me luck

its gloriana

FUCK wrong gun

[marble crater]

[gray juniper]

Seer haters can go that way 🚷

[mint burrow]

What is your favorite force sword for scrier’s gaze Psyker and why? Also if not force sword what else?

[zealous wing]

force greatsword

mark 6

[gray juniper]

Yea

[zealous wing]

ok

also

[gray juniper]

No meme axe for me

Play it the way god intended

[zealous wing]

laspistol kinda sucks ass xD but its not actually that bad i just was not ready for live testing

i could have SWORN i switched back to vraks

in fact, i basically did

[strong gulch]

Builds are being weird.

[zealous wing]

i did also crash due to internet going out, but that was during cosmetical shenanigans

[strong gulch]

I thought it was just a mod issue, but my partner was also having issues (he avoids mods).

[zealous wing]

but yeah laspistol, not really for me, but if i go full meleeker specifically build, or put in on my taxe build, wouldnt be so bad

it'd be like taking the revolver, just something else thats small and fits the taxe vibe of onehanded weaponry

[strong gulch]

Ye. It's good, but not for me either.

[marble crater]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-urge-resist-cat-gif-25536160

[strong gulch]

laspistol does get funny push tho

[zealous wing]

i didnt even try it i was so frazzled

i didnt go down at least but i fumbled a LOT

[strong gulch]

It's got a push that uses warp

[zealous wing]

oh yeah the psyker special

laspistol and dueling sword combo i guess

i want a taxe special

make the special attack for taxe with psyker make the enemy go flying sideways

not even extra damage just, for the funny

does make me wonder tho if i should practice with every weapon. i presume thats what your build randomiser does?

just gives you random bullshit and you use it?

also the force push is VERY delayed holy shit xD

[strong gulch]

Sort of. It was mostly to meme and break up the monotony of always playing the same thing because I was going to choose the other stuff myself.

There's a mod that will pick random gear and cosmetics.

Talent wise, I put them into a wheel to be chosen at random.

[strong gulch]

RIGHT? Why is it like that?

[zealous wing]

i think its literally faster to swap to melee and block

[marble crater]

I thought the randomiser was for trolling people in the discord

[strong gulch]

That too.

[zealous wing]

like... HOW is this good

it uses stamina, AND decent peril, so like, the only use i SEE it having is keeping peril up

thats really it

to ACTUALLY block switch to melee

well, push

[strong gulch]

Is it like 9m distance??

[restive slate]

What's a suggestion for Bubble build?

[zealous wing]

11m ish for pistol, 9 for FGS

[strong gulch]

I haven't tried bubble gunker this patch or recently at all, so not gonna speak on that much.

But VB or inferno bubble is always there.

[zealous wing]

bruh

I WASNT EVEN ON A BUILD

thank fuck for clipping, i was gonna go crazy

i just wanted to test KD stuff 😭

ok so its not KD that does it

i could have sworn doing force push could cause you to overload on FGS

in fact, it has, in the past, but

idk the trigger

it doesnt generate peril atm

not even a deimos without deflector does

[strong gulch]

PA (push attack) is the thing that generate peril and it has to connecy with an enemy.

[zealous wing]

OOOH

[strong gulch]

on force melees

[zealous wing]

so another thing laspistol is doing thats weird

maybe its... intentional then

like, meant for peril generating

thats it, its going on my suipsyker

[strong gulch]

It was nice when wanting to keep peril up.

just push sometimes

laspistol I mean

[zealous wing]

now, for suipsyker, should i use DS, or taxe

tbh i know how to use the taxe, but not really DS

[marble crater]

Aim at enemy, stab

[strong gulch]

If you have KD, crusher parry is funny.

[lone ravine]

DS is basically just light spam for trash clear, heavy spam for elite clear

[strong gulch]

If you don't have KD, it's less funny.

[zealous wing]

[lone ravine]

If you don’t have KD it’s funnier to others

[strong gulch]

so true

Overheaded Today

[zealous wing]

ok las pistol seems ok at burster train push

its just not very fast

any more than 3 or 4 youre toast

probably

also, why do they do this... is this part of the bug? or is this how its always been

1 for the price of 2

at that point just, half the ammo and be accurate with the counting?

i thought it ran out too quick in the mission, and this is why

its 30 shots, not 60

its 252, not 504

[strong gulch]

Ye. It always felt like an ammo dump to me. But it was def one of the better options up until recons got buffed.

[strong gulch]

Uhh I don't remember this happening. wtf

That round part used to swivel side to side.

[zealous wing]

it does when you ADS

this is hipfiring

[lone ravine]

Laser weapons all have weird costs per bullet

[zealous wing]

reconlas is 1:1 :(

[fringe tangle]

With the scab HP buffs this weapon is even more cooked, it feels like it doesn't fill it's intended role of high DPS pause button staff. It's basically a shitty two target version of smite.

Takes around 5 - 6 fully charged attacks to kill a crusher and that's with a bunch of buffs applied.

[wispy bay]

Because they wanted lasgun to be more lore accurate, with the guns using the same battery magazine. Therefore same type has same amount, but the power output makes them consume more.

Still, it varies from case to case.

[strong gulch]

It's never been great at crushers. The HP increase does feel bad. It's still great at what it's been great at; specials, smaller elites, shooters, shriek spam.

[zealous wing]

and, freezing ogryns while the actual DPS players take them out

[strong gulch]

Been doing 700k to 800k in aurics with shriek spam EK.

Don't recoments EK with bubble tho.

oof

[zealous wing]

granted tho, EK HAS taken a hit with this update, wont argue there

[strong gulch]

it has

for sure

But still going strong

[zealous wing]

not as big of a hit as VS

[strong gulch]

Maybe one day it will get a buff. 🙏

[fringe tangle]

My logic is that they're in a tin can, they should get shocked even more because of that. Metal is very conductive.

It just feels really bad to use now because of the HP buffs and it wasn't amazing before the HP buffs either, was kind of middle of the road.

[zealous wing]

maybe they're all wearing rubber suits underneath

[strong gulch]

Maybe the floor is grounded.

[zealous wing]

it IS fuckin weird tho

[strong gulch]

Ye.

[fringe tangle]

Imagine how bad they must smell, like that's probably even worse then the open air rotting cultists

[strong gulch]

Honestly surprised more people aren't talking about the Hp changed and EK. I remember when a "cosmetic change" caused a bug that made EK RMB hit random parts and it took like 7 hits to kill a crusher. Lots of chatter then.

[strong gulch]

Imagine the fire and lightening "gluing" them into their armor.

[wispy bay]

There is that talent that increase damage between M1 and full charged m2. It is only good for EK imo.

The damage increases is not bad.

[strong gulch]

Ye, and even then it's ok

edit: talking about RMB EK shriek

[zealous wing]

still surprised they havent hotfixed the mortis penance yet

its been nearly a week

[wispy bay]

Oh, can you guys help me with that one?

[zealous wing]

literally do any mortis

just dont use the medicae

ammo crates are fine

[wispy bay]

Yeah, but people do...

[zealous wing]

you dont have to

i did a malice mortis to see the new map, used an ammo crate, and suddenly

[strong gulch]

I can't play rn. My brains feel too cooked.

[wispy bay]

Hmm, I will try again then.

[sinful perch]

How does soul blaze play with enemies that have different armor on different parts of their body? Does it do damage based on what limb it impacted on or does it just default to their torso (or do enemies also have their main health pool classified as a certain armor type?)

[zealous wing]

if you wanna private match, we can guarentee it, im in EU tho

[wispy bay]

The thing in the () is correct.

[sinful perch]

In that case what are captains then? Are they unyielding like other bosses or like....flak?

[wispy bay]

Flak

[sinful perch]

Soulblaze stays winning let's go

[zealous wing]

at some point i wanna make a solid try to get the malice or higher in 25m or less penance

[sinful perch]

The things I would give for this game to have an in-game codex with info like this 😭

[zealous wing]

the psykanium is almost that

doesnt have captains or monsters though by default

[sinful perch]

Or at least a good wiki that also has some info, the fandom wiki is ass

[fringe tangle]

Yeah I remember when it was bugged for a while, made the staff basically useless because it would take forever to kill.

Although since we talking about the lightning staff.

I think lightning staff could use some more interesting blessings, like ones that actually change how the lightning works.

A chain lightning blessing that triples the amount of targets hit at the cost of 30% damage would be nice to have. Would make it similar to how it was at launch.

[sinful perch]

It doesn't show a lot of stuff. Like how crits give 2 stacks of soulblaze

[zealous wing]

ye base psych missing tons of qol

[sinful perch]

Also if I remember right the tutorial doesn't even explain how toughness works, for a good while I just thought it was a flat shield and was confused at why I would sometimes take damage through my attacks

[strong gulch]

Having something would be nice. I doubt they will give us back old surge; but give us SOMETHING. EK deserves it. 😭

[zealous wing]

considering one of the devs is a smyker i think old surge is gone :(

[pale prairie]

FIX VOID STRIKE FIRST

[zealous wing]

AT LEAST one dev

[pale prairie]

Fuck surge

https://tenor.com/view/rick-morty-rick-and-morty-boos-cheers-gif-23531888

[zealous wing]

barrel him

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/good-luck-liam-neeson-taken3-adventure-action-gif-4666091

[modest perch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1290821541277208638/1291174300002418688/attachment.gif

[zealous wing]

[ornate hamlet]

what do you guys prefer to run in blade force sword while using purge staff soul blaze build?

something to help kill the crushers mostly

hate using DS

[zealous wing]

if youre fine with big sword, FGS mk 6

if not, deimos to knock them over, or obscuris to kill them, but, both are kinda slow

[gray juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/kto-kounotoritoken-kounotori-lbow-storkholders-gif-25676341

On a train to Sweden

[zealous wing]

blessings for anything other than FGS i cant help tons with

[gray juniper]

Maybe visit arrowhead to idk

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-jessie-pinkman-aaron-paul-furious-angry-gif-24099978

[gray juniper]

Deimos is pretty easy to aim and just a few hits to the head. If there’s a lot force push two or more if needed

[zealous wing]

fucking damnit

internet gone again

2nd bøessing can be deflector, wrath, or another i forgot the name of and internet died before i could check

[strong gulch]

Non DS picks are deimos, obscurus, knife, FGS for the most part.

[olive ember]

Anyone got a funny melee psyker build? I got one I threw together and it got me through damnation but yeah I heard psyker melee got buffed so running around like a crackhead again on psyker

like the good old days

[strong gulch]

Though, on staff having something that is either defensive or high mobility is best.

So FGS is the least recommended of the bunch for inferno or VB.

[zealous wing]

FUCKING THANK FUCK that was quick

[strong gulch]

FGS is still good, but it has lower of what you want for left side build.

[zealous wing]

or be an absolute and use FGS on every build using a staff

the only build that doesnt have FGS on it is, funnily enough, my suipsyker

though its either gonna be DS, or taxe for that one. DS if i want higher dmg, but, probably taxe so i can still horde clear

(taxe is also more fun than DS)

[zealous wing]

do you have a suipsyker?

[wispy bay]

I just got it in auric mortis.

[ornate hamlet]

deimos seems to be a popular pick

i’ll try it out

what blessings and perks do you recommend?

[wispy bay]

Uncanny Deflector

[ornate hamlet]

interesting, never thought i’d use deflector

[zealous wing]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ffd7c3c-972c-4472-94d5-24aac5ba10cd/hexis-suipsyker
i havent gotten to test this yet, but you WILL explode if you're not careful... take out an elite when you do it

[royal totem]

i might be too tired to play psyker today >.<

[zealous wing]

had to decide between SG and shriek, decided SG, so there's an abort, but also movement speed boost

also higher quellspeed INCASE it was an oops overload not an intentional one

and, no warp unbound

so, quell speed

[zealous wing]

happens

[wispy bay]

You can try superiority over deflector, but Deimos has good enough single target damage. Most other traits don't give big boost to deimos attack, so might as well run a little more aggressive defense with Deflector.

[zealous wing]

especially if you also have KD

[royal totem]

wonder what the psyker build that takes the least brainpower is

[zealous wing]

inferno

[olive ember]

Thonk.... you know I've been meaning to try out a funny explodey psyker build. I'll give it a spin lmao

[wispy bay]

Dome inferno...

[royal totem]

ok time to infernoooooo

[zealous wing]

PLEASE lmk results

[wispy bay]

With KF

[zealous wing]

[restive slate]

Why is it that the Fswords with Uncanny kill better than the FGswords? Lol

[strong gulch]

For me, low brain power = EP BB inferno

[zealous wing]

how do you mean

[royal totem]

i'm trying to remember what EP is >.<

[zealous wing]

empowered psionics

[royal totem]

i have most of the things memorized just don't remember one or two

ah

[zealous wing]

free/cheaper blitz keystone

[restive slate]

Like Deimos with Uncanny just wrecks anything while FGS takes a few slow Heavy swings first

[zealous wing]

idk man ive had better luck fighting armour blobs with FGS than i ever did with deimos

plus, the horde clear option, mass stagger option, very nice

[restive slate]

What about Crushers? I always wanna try to get rid of them fast

[zealous wing]

theres not really an instakill for them but, it definitely handles

[ornate hamlet]

holy fuck deimos is INSANE

[restive slate]

Yea I like Deimos Heavy2 that sits Crushers down on the ground

[wispy bay]

Deimos single target combos are easy to do.

[zealous wing]

(FGS single target is the same btw)

light attack then heavy for stab, for both

[wispy bay]

While Obscurus is stronger, it takes more practice and harder to swing combo correctly in intense situation.

[strong gulch]

Ye

[zealous wing]

actually though

does deimos ACTUALLY kill them faster?

or is the appeal it knocks them on their ass

because both for force swords and FGS the force push does that anyway, it seems, unless theres something im missing here in the psykanium

so the stab knocking them over seems, by itself, moot

[olive ember]

Wait

when was the obscures good again

[restive slate]

Obscurus H1 is very high damage and it has a new L1 H2 repeating horde clear combo

[wispy bay]

About a year ago

[olive ember]

well shit

time to bust out the old reliable

[wispy bay]

Even the old Obscurus was pretty strong with the right combo.

[zealous wing]

im... genuinely trying to kill a crusher faster than FGS with deimos and its not working

5 heavies from FGS and its already dead, like

[strong gulch]

The PA doesn't knock them on the ground and can be done at range (that gets a stack of uncanny going).

The H2 on deimos does knock them completely to the floor and can be used at 100% peril.

[zealous wing]

what am i missing here

[wispy bay]

L > H > L > H

[zealous wing]

ok thats what im doing here

[wispy bay]

It goes into L1 - H2 loop.

[zealous wing]

and, so , the PA only pushes them on their ass in the psykanium?

[wispy bay]

PA?

[strong gulch]

Also note that SG and DD buffs vs not when on staff.

[zealous wing]

because i think its working ingame normally too

[strong gulch]

push attack

[wispy bay]

Push attack never does big damage in the 1st place.

[strong gulch]

Unless the PA is pushing them to the floor rn because of the stagger bug.

[strong gulch]

Yeah stagger bug

[zealous wing]

its been nice lol

even so the normal PA interrupts their attacks without the bug

[strong gulch]

but can't be reliable used at super high peril

H2 is damage and CC

It's a different flavor on how to deal with crushers.

[zealous wing]

long as you arent at 100 it works :p

[strong gulch]

You can also block cancel the M1. (Some little shits have this on a macro tho)

edit: M1 meaning L1 (silly brain)

[strong gulch]

options

different options

[wispy bay]

That one little shit...

[olive ember]

Whats the horde clear combo on the mk 6 FGS again? I just realized I've been using the mk 8 the entire time

[strong gulch]

Basically light spam with some block or swap cancels.

[zealous wing]

l1 bc
l1 l2 bc
l1 l2 l3 bc
l1 l2 l3 heavy... 3?

many options

dont even need to count perfectly

[strong gulch]

Block cancel is better for FGS 8, swap better for FGS 6 (but harder to pull off so a lot of people macro it).

But you would naturally block after a couple hits or toss an assail anyways.

[zealous wing]

the number of times ive block canceled and happened to block a shotgun blast has been incredible

[strong gulch]

Yeah. There's room to be sweaty but can just ung bunga it.

[zealous wing]

its unrelated but glorious

its the BEST when it happens and someone else is dead, because theres a chance they fucking saw it happen and think its pure skill

[fringe tangle]

That gives me an idea for an Ogryn talent, one that is focused on your health being used to tank, instead of toughness.

Meatshield: +100 max health, take 60% less health damage, regen 3% max health every 5 seconds, immune to suppression and stun, -50 max toughness, -33% toughness replenishment.

idk how it would work in practice though, this is just a concept, numbers would need tweaking to find a comfortable level. Probably would be overpowered or useless, not sure which without testing.

[olive ember]

So... Stoic from payday 2

[fringe tangle]

Yes, basically

[zealous wing]

its like when you throw something at a bin across the room, land the fucking shot, and scream internally if anyone fucking saw that while you act nonchalant

anyway, tangent over

[nocturne dust]

waiting for blessing that lets you block poxbursters

[zealous wing]

its a vet talent sadly

[strong gulch]

Call it Sad Dog.

[zealous wing]

i love that i can still 2 shot a crusher under the right conditions

[sturdy reef]

DD is just that guy

[zealous wing]

not even with DD, though im sure it might get me to one shot them if i tried

3 shots with maxed SG stacks, 2 with maxed SG and combat stimm, 5 shots with no buffs active

would be easier to test if i didnt need to actively fight the things to get DD to proc

how do i save a unit for creature spawner again?

ah well i figured out a work around

its still 2 shot

[strong gulch]

IDK all of the ways to use creature spawner.

But there's also testing mods. Ones that give you the buffs you want.

[zealous wing]

ok no it CAN be one shot

if 25 stacks of DD, combat stim, max SG stacks, and max peril

so, an entirely unrealistic standard

[strong gulch]

Pre crusher HP buff but illisi.

Owner of vid is Json here is discord

[patent mango]

that means another opportunity to buff scriers gaze

[fierce crest]

whered it go

[patent mango]

eated

[fierce crest]

oat

[strong gulch]

I'd vaporize like that too if I got hit that hard by an illisi.

[zealous wing]

i almost wanna get the HP bar mod but also thats half the fun

[sturdy reef]

ya dont need it

[zealous wing]

"which crusher did i just hit?"

[sturdy reef]

lame mod

[strong gulch]

@zealous wing
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/479
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/478

[fierce crest]

turn off hp bars for everything but groaners

[sturdy reef]

lol

[fierce crest]

cheat to make things worse

[strong gulch]

health bar is nice for testing

[fierce crest]

the wallhack mod but every time a dog or trapper spawns you get flashbanged

[zealous wing]

its just, such an unattainable thing, because, i dont do 25 stacks, nor the 2 extra stacks per kill for DD

but, 2 shots, i CAN do

3 even easier, just, quell on SG or clear a horde

[strong gulch]

In damnation and aurics, I don't have a hard time with 25 DD stacks, but I take cruel fortune. Which means it cost an extra point.

So feels a little stinky

[zealous wing]

it feels mostly unneeded to me, personally

a few more swings, a few more bullets, not really an issue if you can move around

[fierce crest]

i am so lost making builds again

theres so much i want

[strong gulch]

Greed Tide

[prime elk]

25 stacks very good now tho

[zealous wing]

if you say so

[prime elk]

it's totally busted

[zealous wing]

like, yeah its more damage, but, it sends me away from the group to go hunting, and its often wasted time anyway trying to maintain, i just, meh

[fierce crest]

its cuz all the buffs multiply each other

[prime elk]

nah they feed you blue men now

it's impossible to not keep stacks up

[zealous wing]

id go lingering influence before 25 stacks to be honest

[prime elk]

i maintained 20 stacks in combat

[fierce crest]

i have been noticing i often get instant new targets even when an ally kills the current target

[prime elk]

they buffed the shit out of DD

[strong gulch]

Ye. Valid targets are fed to you now. It's better than before.

Both good tho.

[shrewd comet]

what kind of curio setup do y'all run on a gun psyker?

[fierce crest]

tough tough stam

[zealous wing]

2 toughness 1 hp, with hp toughness and revive speed

[shrewd comet]

no stamina regen?

[zealous wing]

not necessary

[shrewd comet]

ahh ok

[zealous wing]

i do use kinetic deflection though so that could be a factor

[fierce crest]

perks i run cdr tough gunners

[shrewd comet]

you dont run resists?

[zealous wing]

i still find gunner resist weird ngl

and no not really

i had sniper for a while but, tis a waste

it stops me from dying to 2 snipers, but if i cant dodge it, theres more than 2

revive speed has been a bit more handy

[shrewd comet]

and what aura? we still using CDR?

[zealous wing]

and gunner resist, if youre caught out enough to need it to survive, youre dead anyway

crit aura

you can use CDR tho if youre bubble

[strong gulch]

Curios are choose your own adventure.

What do you in particular need or want right now?? Pick that.

For non-havocs the general rec is x1 sniper and 201 HP. How you get there is up to you. This hits a breakpoint that lets you eat a sniper and tank multiple bursters.

If you are not interested in that or don't want to build for a rare occurrence, then do whatever.

Curios should meet you where you are.

[zealous wing]

except wounds

only martyr zealots and suipsykers use wounds

[strong gulch]

Meaning, what's best for you may change as you get better at the game or develop a different playstyle.

[shrewd comet]

i was wanting to add in revive speed to what i was using, which was 2 gunner, 1 sniper, 3 toughness, and 3 stamina regen

[strong gulch]

boom psyker

[shrewd comet]

but if stamina regen isn't needed, then i can drop that and get revive speed

[strong gulch]

Like, one of my psykers doesn't have curios and it's fine.

[zealous wing]

if youre going gunker, pick up EE, that will save you more than gunner res would

[fierce crest]

if you dont have a 410 stamina curio, then get +curio drop chance

i think its 410

i forget

[shrewd comet]

x3 toughness is no go?

[strong gulch]

You can get +3 stam in the talent tree now.

[zealous wing]

you can 3x toughness if you wanna

[shrewd comet]

what is EE?

[zealous wing]

empathic evasion

[shrewd comet]

empathic evasion.

yeah

took me a sec

[strong gulch]

Yes. Stam +3 needs to be 410 or higher.

idk about the curios

[zealous wing]

kinetic deflection, EE, and deflector. they fare better against gunners than a small dmg resist to them, and res on top of those 3 is just, overkill, hence, why i have none

[cosmic cobalt]

res is also multiplicative

[zealous wing]

meanwhile, revive speed, works on rescues, revives, unnets, and cliff pickups

[white sky]

Love revive speed

Best thing you can slap on a curio for havoc

Take at least 2 imo

[zealous wing]

best thing you can have if you suddenly need to pull a clutch rescue

[cosmic cobalt]

revive speed is really important in havoc

[fierce crest]

can you imagine if they added and you get 60% 🥵

[cosmic cobalt]

shit clutch as fuck

[austere trout]

helo guys, i'm currently trying to build a voidblast staff. i've seen some videos in youtube, and a couple of builds in gameslantern but still couldn't decide wether to go for a soulblaze build with blazing spirit and warp nexus or just pure spam with rending shockwave and warp flury

[zealous wing]

personally, the fire is more fun

[restive slate]

Warhamtaro 40k

[strong gulch]

Fire VB is more damage and crit proc or synergize with our kit a lot.

Rendi VB is basically the only non-crit build we have.

[restive slate]

What staff do yall recommend for Bubble build?

[zealous wing]

gun

[fiery stratus]

[fierce crest]

the 6 cylinder

[strong gulch]

inferno or VB

[austere trout]

ahh i see thank you very much

[restive slate]

Thankies

[ornate hamlet]

grinding out the last lil bit of my mortis trials stuff to get the medal, and saw some of the new upgrades

and man

having 210 toughness on demand

is crazy

[zealous wing]

and people find mortis boring

i just wish i could private match and run it solo whenever i wanted

[ornate hamlet]

it’s super fun, i love it

[fiery stratus]

Mortis needs to start ramping up like wave 3 on auric

[ornate hamlet]

let’s me enjoy the game but with a twist

[strong gulch]

Haven't the new mortis.

But before this patch, I just wished we could get more waves or the ramp up was better.

[ornate hamlet]

i feel like shit only starts hitting the fan around 8 or 9

[fiery stratus]

Takes until wave 9 to get cooking

[restive slate]

Greetings gentle listener~

Remember to always have time..
For... fun...

Toodleloo~

[fiery stratus]

Yep

Needs to add more intensity earlier on

[zealous wing]

gotta love the game killing waves of trappers tho

[ornate hamlet]

havoc 40 mortis trial

[zealous wing]

(never actually got GOT but it definitely seems viable end)

[ornate hamlet]

[strong gulch]

I like that it can be chill.

but if you want any kind of spice, you gotta wait for it and it happens at the end

the buffs are so silly to

ONLY BB

[zealous wing]

the buffs are GLORIOUS

[ornate hamlet]

i love the fire buffs while using purge staff

[strong gulch]

3 mil monster damage

[ornate hamlet]

+8 toughness per enemy that is on fire

i am IMMORTAL

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[zealous wing]

42 vraks bullets to kill 2 plogryns is just 🤌

[strong gulch]

boolet strong

still silly

[restive slate]

Mortis Trials things

[zealous wing]

"3 headshots in a row, 6s infinite ammo" was the buff

[restive slate]

Why can't we just have Chaos Wastes in Darktide sigh haha

[strong gulch]

this dork

[zealous wing]

oh yeah

whats the mod for the ammo crate charges left

if you remember

[strong gulch]

there's 2 flavors

just the creates and I think med station or the one that shows all pick ups and idols etc

can be customized

[zealous wing]

yeah i saw the one that shows all the pick ups and that was a nah from me

i just wanna not grab the last charge unless we're leaving the area

[strong gulch]

Oh rip. The individual ones are gone. Only the all in one is up. At least it can be customized.
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/447

[zealous wing]

oof

[strong gulch]

It's basically the same tho. Just turn the other stuff off

[zealous wing]

is it the same one that shows what stims the team has?

if you have it on

[strong gulch]

yeah

I think

lmao

[zealous wing]

k might use that too if it is

[strong gulch]

idk now

[zealous wing]

the more info i have on my team the better

if they have a medstim i aint givin em mine

[strong gulch]

I know there one that shows what type of nade they have too

[zealous wing]

looks like it

[strong gulch]

It does change the held stims. Yours and the team's.

[strong gulch]

I was late

[zealous wing]

not by much

[strong gulch]

I need to shorten the distance that I can see the markers. I can never remember until I'm in a mission. Then I forget again.

[zealous wing]

ill remind you tomorrow if i remember

[strong gulch]

good luck

[zealous wing]

get enough ADHDers, we'll forget eventually

wait

[strong gulch]

Someone: Why are you pacing back and forth??

ADHDer: Huh? Oh. I'm forgetting why I walked into the other room and then remember when I come back.

[fringe tangle]

Would be neat if Psyker got a 2h glaive, a force glaive to be precise.

Two variants:

1. Wide sweeping light attacks and heavy diagonal overhead attacks, push attack straight strikedown overhead.
2. Mixed light sweep and stab attacks, heavy thrusts, sweeping push attack

The special attack could be a super charged thrust that has crazy cleave, range and high damage in a straight line, good for deleting conga lines of elites. Has to charge up like the Force Greatswords though.

[sturdy reef]

give vet a power glaive

peak

[zealous wing]

let us put a bayonet on our staves

[sturdy reef]

return of the billhook

[fringe tangle]

Yeah, that would be good as well.

Polearms in general would be great to have. I always liked using the spear and board on Kruber in VT2.

Zealot can get a Spear and Board, Psyker a Force Glaive and Vet a Power Glaive.

[zealous wing]

arby gets a baton

not a shock baton, just a stick

[patent jacinth]

Perhaps

[fringe tangle]

[patent jacinth]

Maybe even

a...

Catachan Dueling Glaive

[fierce crest]

whens spears

gimme a partisan that has slashing heavies

[strong gulch]

I want a big net for monsters that cast fire everywhere so the goobers goofy enough to try to rescue it just melt.

[zealous wing]

ah damn i missed the roll over

[strong gulch]

Not at all revenge.

Now gotta look out for 1243

wait

[zealous wing]

[strong gulch]

1234

spelling hard

yes

spelling

[zealous wing]

spelln't

[restive slate]

Can't spell even when you're a space wizard

[fierce crest]

full electricity build, how grief is it

weapons are electricity and electricity

[zealous wing]

what weaponry

smite would only be viable with EP, really, not sure youd get much out of DD

[restive slate]

Must be Electrostaff and Shock Maul

[restive slate]

Ha knew it!

[patent jacinth]

I sincerely hope you never have to solo a boss with that

[zealous wing]

i feel sorry for the team

EK without shriek, and without KF, so thats not gonna go super well

[fringe tangle]

Nice, although I have one that's even better at lightning spam since it abuses the 10 seconds of unlimited power the last scriers gaze node provides.

[fierce crest]

not taking the ability that has electricity

cringe

[zealous wing]

take shriek, or if you dont want fire, take SG. take EP instead of DD

[fierce crest]

neither of those can electrocute

[zealous wing]

... DD cant electrocute either

[fierce crest]

thats the third thing

neither of the 2 of the same category

[zealous wing]

EP gives you more dmg for your smite

[fierce crest]

ep it is

[zealous wing]

EK, without shriek, or KF, is gonna do nearly nothing, but, you do you i guess... just...

do be cautious of barrels. i suspect there are suspiciously timed exploding ones in your future

[fringe tangle]

Funny stunlock everything build.

[zealous wing]

they want the electrocution shield

[fringe tangle]

fair enough.

[full storm]

This means Im quelling slower?

[strong gulch]

Passive is slower, active is not

[zealous wing]

passively. specifically, this kind of quell

[cosmic cobalt]

tfw i parry at 100% peril

[strong gulch]

If you don't gen peril for a bit, then it passively decays.

[full storm]

Woah thats interesting

[zealous wing]

very nice for psykers everywhere

less maintaining

[full storm]

So I can keep high peril for my melee and also get stamina and shields in return?

[zealous wing]

pretty much

its a win, entirely

there is NO downside to it, genuinely

[full storm]

Oh my God, need to give it a try

[restive slate]

Mfw when I'm about to explode from Peril but the talent for chance to quell triggers and am safe

[zealous wing]

i do wonder if they thought -80% passive quell was a BAD thing?

or did they mean to give us a treat?

[strong gulch]

no idea

[patent jacinth]

No its intentional

Its to enforce the meleeker playstyle

with extra stuff on top

[fierce crest]

just non warp psyker in general

assail gives plenty of peril for gunning

[zealous wing]

its beneficial to all psykers tho

[patent jacinth]

"Non warp" I am at 100% 24/7

That is not non warp

[fierce crest]

thats peril

warp is a damage type

[patent jacinth]

I am conducting the empyrean like the worlds worst server wire harness

[zealous wing]

assail is warp dmg

[fierce crest]

your blitz is always warp damage

cant change that

[zealous wing]

exactly, there is no nonwarp psyker

[fierce crest]

but you take non warp where you have the option

every choice is nonwarp

[zealous wing]

so, anyone taking a lesser melee weapon then

because FGS, force swords, and DS now are warp, and technically so is laspistol

it'd also have to be a non SG build

[fierce crest]

if its affected by PotS its warp

[zealous wing]

cant take kinetic deflection, nor JaD

no point taking warp rider, either, nor any quelling talents... now im trempted to try making a warpless psyker, see how boring it is

[fierce crest]

those dont say anything about warp

[fierce crest]

please consult the chart

[zealous wing]

if you can overload, aka perils of the warp, its warp

[fierce crest]

i just got tired

crystaline will would count tho

since that adds warp damage

[twilit veldt]

No ammo pickups modifier
looks inside
arbiter leaving halfway through the match because no ammo

[zealous wing]

average arby

though to be honest

im surprised they lasted halfway

[twilit veldt]

they left at the elevator part in metalfab

[fierce crest]

veterans dodging the not paying attention to ammo accusations now that less attention man is here

[zealous wing]

idk, ive never had a vet yell into comms that "GuYS I NEED AMMO! I NEED AMMO!"

"Find mE AMMO"

[white sky]

How long have you been playing DT?

[zealous wing]

not long, but also, lots of rounds

[white sky]

Give it time, it'll happen

[zealous wing]

ive had them use the commwheel, but, outright comms was fucking ridiculous

the screaming tho fucking killed me (a dog got him)

he was actually terrified

[white sky]

I had an ogryn scream in comms recently cause they turned around to use a medicae in a havoc while no one was looking at them and died to 3 poxxies recently

[fierce crest]

(his own dog (got annoyed))

[zealous wing]

he was a dogless arby

[twilit veldt]

i think ive used voip just once when playing vet to tell the arbitrator that if he takes another ammo bag when hes at yellow ammo count while i got 3 rounds left in my bolt pistol im going to rip off his balls

[fierce crest]

arbys are probly neutered anyway

[zealous wing]

i've used comms once, to tell an arby main to stop bitching about how weak psyker is, when i was the last one alive trying to clutch, and couldnt hear shit because of him

[white sky]

Psyker is the strongest class in the game?

And has been for like it's entire run tbh

[twilit veldt]

id rank psyker as second or third strongest tbh, with arbitrator taking the top spot

[white sky]

I entirely disagree with you

Arby is hard to die on one, but a good psyker will nullify difficulty up to havoc 40

[twilit veldt]

castigators stance is 10 seconds of near immortality with the exec shotgun being the most fun but also most stupid thing ingame

[patent jacinth]

Arby is on average better because the average player isn't good at the game

[twilit veldt]

plus break the line is also really strong

[plucky flax]

I think psyker is weakest actually.

[patent jacinth]

So they do way better on arby than anything else

[white sky]

I'll agree with that but that doesn't make the best class

[twilit veldt]

psyker is imo the most versatile but idk about the best tbh

[white sky]

You can play inferno staff psyker and actually just remove everything on screen sans like bosses and new crushers

[twilit veldt]

i know

[white sky]

No other class can do that

That works in Havoc 40

[zealous wing]

ogryn nuke

[white sky]

They get one

[twilit veldt]

the frag bomb is pretty dogshit

[white sky]

It feels cool tho

[twilit veldt]

its a single use one that stops oneshotting shit at havoc

[zealous wing]

its a great "shit we cant get to the ritual in time" out

[white sky]

Yeah tf it is

[twilit veldt]

i prefer box of hurt because you just staggerlock everything

[white sky]

Rock

[zealous wing]

including ally framerates

[white sky]

Im a sucker for infinite grenade options tbh

[twilit veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1252226950424956978/1415715760319365180/MOOOOOOOOOOORE.mp4?ex=68db49cb&is=68d9f84b&hm=e21d0526d9255880b73039ce116fe9a9996bb6acaa3185ca9fdd605f085940fc&

no i break PCs

[royal totem]

i clutched an auric HISTG :3

[white sky]

Good job

[zealous wing]

you shaking?

[plucky flax]

Isn't that impossible?

[royal totem]

yeah it is. it's sheer dumb luck!

[royal totem]

i'd say i am but for some reason when i'm clutching i get super super calm

[zealous wing]

thats good

[fierce crest]

i forgot the most imortant part of ek build

full auto mod

also no scoreboard to check if im being relevant

[cosmic cobalt]

man people are so fucking ass fr

mfs cant even push burster

[white sky]

Surprisingly common in Havoc

Its gotten to the point where I don't trust people to do it

[cosmic cobalt]

yeah it been more common since update

idk how they manage to fail with like 2 chorus

[fierce crest]

they should nerf bursters by giving them ~20% more hp

[cosmic cobalt]

its not even hard either

[fierce crest]

that way you have more time to shove them before teamate pops them

[cosmic cobalt]

like havoc 30

[white sky]

If you are in Havoc at all you should be able to push a burster

If you are in Malice you should be able to push a burster

[cosmic cobalt]

they have true survivor btw

[white sky]

Its like core mechanic 101

[twilit veldt]

hehe, heretic go boom

[zealous wing]

to be fair, there is nothing basegame telling people to push.

there is everything telling them to "Its a POXBURSTER! SHOOT IT"

but yeah its annoying as hell

[white sky]

I can't refute that

[modest perch]

doesnt even make sense

they have like 50% ranged dr

[ionic sorrel]

Anyone else having a bunch of DCs?

[deft stump]

Is this why they eat my Bistol shots so much?

[modest perch]

yeaj

[deft stump]

And yes, I'm shooting if they are far enough. 300 ping pushing is a gamble.

[modest perch]

i shoot them with the kickback

twice

[fierce crest]

dont all the infested enemies have ranged dr

hounds muties and bursters

is that not just tied to the health type

[royal totem]

i take the attitude of if i fail i fail lmao

[ripe obsidian]

If you fail, the heretics take Tertium

[fathom adder]

That and their head hitbox is apparently above their right shoulder

[plucky flax]

No damage

[deft stump]

Wow.

[cosmic cobalt]

yeah they were doing sub 300k

[plucky flax]

Need like 2 damage dealer in havoc these days with crushers spam.

[deft stump]

That's Syllo and you.

[raven mountain]

I had that happen the other day. They complained that I wasn't up in the frontline with them, and that I hadn't been doing my part. (Scoreboard said very much the opposite) So after I cleared all the specials and elites from around the captain, and I evaded a freshly spawned plague ogryn--all while they bitched and complained about me--I got up to their spawn point, teabagged all three and left the game.

I have never felt so toxic nor so justified.

[plucky flax]

Maybe. We won yesterday pretty comfortably. Then the vet guy asked to go psyker and he just did way less damage than when I was on psyker.

[deft stump]

I will never go psyker in havoc anyway lul. Reliant on true grit and until death with my ping.

[royal totem]

Id have to be carried to play havoc lul

[plucky flax]

Ask karien for carry.

[royal totem]

@deft stump i got told to ask you! 😛

[deft stump]

Ask Chaos to carry.

[royal totem]

LMAO

[pale prairie]

Ask Karien she carries me through havoc weekly

[royal totem]

confused noises

[pale prairie]

Sometimes I just put a rock on the keyboard so my character stays in the game at map start and she just solos that shit

[zealous wing]

100% justified