psyker-class

[twilit veldt]

id assume its now the same as arb one

[deft stump]

I think is more, the 'AI' targets things even closer to you now.

[twilit veldt]

if it can have multiple targets marked at a time like the arb then its gonna be pretty neat, if its just one person highlighted at a time then ill probably go for WS

its been ages since i played with DD

shame psyker cant get shock trooper like vet, with how often you crit it would be extremely funny

[summer prairie]

It can't have multiple, but it gives you new targets faster or more reliably

[twilit veldt]

hmmmm

ill give it a try in the current AM

see how it goes, if i dont like it ill switch to ol reliable

[deft stump]

@summer prairie Thanks for the run btw. Couldn't type fast enough in chat lul.

[summer prairie]

Np

[wind spruce]

its cracked

you can maintain 25 stacks easy

which is just absurd

[marble crater]

And somehow they will buff right side again in the future, calling it now

[wind spruce]

precog buffed to 3 stacks per weakspot kill

[summer prairie]

In havoc you can't, too much armor

Maybe with surge surge

[wind spruce]

i was maintaining it in a 33

havent broached a 40 since patch

[summer prairie]

Depends on the seed

[wind spruce]

true

[upper sun]

🚬 got smoked in smelter just now

[weary crane]

first havoc of the day...

[upper sun]

🚬 people on the forum told me that was very normal and very fair

[weary crane]

It's been in the game forever, you can be killed inside BoN too

[deft stump]

I mean, I saw someone get grabbed and overheaded earlier.

So...

Just FS. The worst ones are overhead in BoNs.

[weary crane]

I'm 90% sure it's a bug since normally things don't target you when you're grabbed or in BoN

[deft stump]

No, you do.

[upper sun]

🚬 died shortly after this

[deft stump]

And you can say I have 300+ ping...

But the overhead came WAY after.

[weary crane]

I was once killed IN THE AIR after being thrown by a mutie

[jovial juniper]

Let's suppose

Hypothetically

That I did push bursters on my teammates

https://tenor.com/view/ehe-anime-gif-anime-girl-teehee-gif-27178660

But I didn't

[upper sun]

@jovial juniper did this

[jovial juniper]

Lmfao

Changed levels and everything

[upper sun]

(i clutched that game twice before this)

if the TRAITORS didnt leave we would have won ez

psyker was a real one stayed with me till the end

[jovial juniper]

Of course the freaks are the real ones

[twilit veldt]

yea i tried it, its nice, way easier to maintain than before

[upper sun]

man i swear clutch spawns werent this bad

[weary crane]

Crusher just tanked 4 brain bursts and about 10 duel sword hits to the head

[twilit veldt]

also despite this being a gun psyker build i kept just using my greatsword like 99% of the time

[upper sun]

look at this shit

3 flamers at once

[twilit veldt]

ill probably scrap it and change it, plus some things were ass

also whoever decided to make kintic flayer 100% chance i love you

holy shit i loved kinetic flayer before but this is so fucking great now

[plucky flax]

You don't have enough ammo

[deft stump]

Seems normal. It was already bad in lower diffs. I really did not need extra gunner packs on me as Arby or Psyker trying to pick people up.

[upper sun]

🚬 the 9 billion bursters from before tho

[plucky flax]

@summer prairie

cos you crashed so here

[gray juniper]

You got squeezed like a lemon

Jokes aside that machine gunner just lit you up

[twilit veldt]

yea im gonna try melee psyker instead

i like scryiers gaze with the greatsword

[plucky flax]

Sure it's good.

I use gaze in auric.

But bubble in havoc for the meme.

[summer prairie]

Forgot to upload the fixed ovenproof, though you only get one error

[plucky flax]

Yeah give me

I have an error message but everything seems to work fine.

From the file you sent a couple days ago.

[summer prairie]

Can give tonight

[plucky flax]

[weary crane]

Finally completed a havoc without it aborting

[quartz flare]

Can I get some advice on this build? It's a staff focused electro build. Tried DD but my playstyle just couldn't consistently keep the stacks

[left basin]

did anyone find any staff other than voidstrike edible on scriers

[weary crane]

Yeah

But I'm gate keeping my build

[summer prairie]

I think DD is better with EK

skip the warpfire nodes in the middle and take the left nodes or stuff for your melee

[weary crane]

Well warp charges are pointless if you have 3 curios and aura cooldown

For gaze

[summer prairie]

CDR aura is an overkill even

[left basin]

is it fire trauma

it is fire trauma.

[quartz flare]

even as a damage buff?

[weary crane]

Nu uh

[weary crane]

Well it's okay but it's too expensive for how much you get

[summer prairie]

I'd assume DD is better damage unless you are playing rmb surge, in which case you probably want shriek anyway

[weary crane]

EP is the best keystone anyway

[summer prairie]

lmb surge kills things faster

[quartz flare]

shame

[summer prairie]

or there's way too much overlap anyway

[quartz flare]

What build would make the highest dmg output on electro rmb?

[summer prairie]

shriek but then the damage would primarily be sb

[quartz flare]

MAN

[summer prairie]

if you want to play non-shriek EK, lmb with surge is just better

[quartz flare]

but then what's the point? I chose this staff for zappy zappy.

[plucky flax]

Then play it with creeping flames

You still do 50% range 50% soulblaze damage

[twilit veldt]

yea i like melee psyker

but i think ill switch to WS instead of DD

overall this was super fun

[plucky flax]

Whyyyyy

[summer prairie]

in auric and lower you'll do more ranged than sb

[twilit veldt]

because i prefer it

[plucky flax]

Okay that's fair

[twilit veldt]

plus one thing ive noticed is that most of the time with DD id keep getting close enemies but after some time it marks some dude thats like 30 meters away and he then starts running away from me

with WS i get bonus damage and its just more "kill everything and get charges"

[weary crane]

https://youtube.com/shorts/hhAU7TQPjrQ

[left basin]

i really want to try dd instead of ws on shriek rmb zapstaff

[restive slate]

Hi there, are the psyker builds in pins updated? Looking to play Voidstrike

[twilit veldt]

i mean, for shriek youre probably better off running WS just so it gets off CD more often

[left basin]

just for the sole reason of dd not dropping my damage when i screech at the dog

[plucky flax]

Sounds op do it

[marble crater]

Not yet

but the 'core' of the builds is still largely the same, you should be able to rebuild them more or less the same

[left basin]

no u

[verbal thistle]

NA west

95% sure it's damn or auric

[upper sun]

🥀 y-you're american 😭

[verbal thistle]

It's 6 in the morning

Cat woke me

[upper sun]

high quality

[quartz flare]

just tried it. It's quite nice.

[left basin]

morbfire keeps up dd stacks doesnt it?

[quartz flare]

really does

[left basin]

sooo

25

[quartz flare]

10s cause skill issue

[crude zodiac]

Does more stamina effect kinetic deflection?

[left basin]

nuh

nuh?

[jovial juniper]

Yeah

Iirc KD effectiveness goes up with more stamina

[thorn cedar]

Yes

[jovial juniper]

Don't have the numbers rn

[thorn cedar]

I also don't have the numbers but I do have the formula

[crude zodiac]

Effectiveness? So less peril with more stamina?

[thorn cedar]

Yes

KD costs perils in relation to how much % of your stamina bar the block would have cost.

More stamina = lower % = lower peril cost

This also means Block Efficiency and Peril Resistence help from both ends.

[wind spruce]

apac sucks ass

cant find a havoc on a saturday night RIP

altho tbf not many aussies on this weekend

[thorn cedar]

gotta get the roos into gaming

[crude zodiac]

Empyric resolve used to be too much of a negative but with warp ghost, it's insane imo + more stamina

[thorn cedar]

operation internet jump starter

[wind spruce]

they're all pissed

big sports final today

kangas drink like fish

[thorn cedar]

cricket or some shi?

[swift eagle]

man the only build I remade is melee gunker, and I feel like it could definetly use optimizing, want to get all of my other builds up and running again too aaaaaaaaaaa but lazy to test

[thorn cedar]

Yea it helps offset the negative

[wind spruce]

AFL (aussie football)

[thorn cedar]

wotchu got

[wind spruce]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/q8y1ODjuc38

[crude zodiac]

Warp ghost is also cool because it basically allows you to keep peril high

[thorn cedar]

we love warp ghost here

[crude zodiac]

It's honestly basically zero negative imo
Passive quelling really isn't that good anyways

And if you use a force melee weapon quelling is simple and safe

[thorn cedar]

immaterial focus is still my vote for best addition to our tree

shit is fire

[novel yoke]

It's damnation for the penance, but unlocking the secret itself can be done on any difficulty

Ended up trying it on uprising and it worked

[wind spruce]

swapping weapons to quell/block is instant, you dont need the force melee for it to be safe

[thorn cedar]

one less input

[crude zodiac]

I don't mean the time needed, more the thought behind it, or at least for me

[swift eagle]

This is what I got. I really feel like its probably just the wrong way to do this haha.

[wind spruce]

my muscle memory is so reinforced to swap off melee that i never actually quell with my force swords

[zealous wing]

hey thts almost my tree

[wind spruce]

thats not terrible but you need more toughness generation and DR nodes

[thorn cedar]

even for me it takes practice to not swap to my blitz to quell since im not always running a force sword, but its very worth

maybe one or two rounds and my muscle memory is back

[wind spruce]

drop some of anticipation, mettle, true aim, cruel fortune

[thorn cedar]

I'd consider getting Warp Expenditure.

Cruel Fortune only needed if you do 25 DD stacks

So that's one easy swap

[zealous wing]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ff65af5-e96e-48a9-b91d-34f8b76124b8/hexis-the-berpsyker

[plucky flax]

Extremely sus build

[swift eagle]

dropping true aim on melee gunker?

[zealous wing]

dont have to copy 1 for 1 but maybe the combinations may help frame stuff

[thorn cedar]

true aim is nice but ngl it isnt THAT great

[crude zodiac]

Is warp splitting do anything when using brutal momentum on a tactical axe?

[summer prairie]

Finally time to drop PC, Agent

get Just a dream for free 25% all damage dr

[thorn cedar]

Yes but also no

[zealous wing]

true aim i do find... bothersome.
its per attack, so you manually have to burst fire

[crude zodiac]

Huh?

[wind spruce]

what

[plucky flax]

I don't need dr if I don't take damage

[summer prairie]

drop the toughness nodes too then

[plucky flax]

[wind spruce]

yeah its not mindblowing

[thorn cedar]

BM procs are still going to be like 90% of your cleave, but Warp Splitter will still work. It just won't be much.

[zealous wing]

yeah

[wind spruce]

thats now how it works

[plucky flax]

Is true pc not doing much these days.

[zealous wing]

thats how i was told it worked, "once per attack"

[wind spruce]

that means once per bullet for guns

[zealous wing]

why would it be specified if its for ranged attack?

[swift eagle]

Is Just A Dream not worth taking on a melee gunker?

[zealous wing]

i dont know yet

[summer prairie]

it's worth it with all builds except maybe on gas maps

[plucky flax]

If I am at 100% peril it doesn't work.

[zealous wing]

gotta test more aurics

[wind spruce]

not sure what you mean tbh

[deft stump]

Adorable goober there.

[wind spruce]

the reason it says "once per attack" now is that it used to trigger multiple times from things like voidstrike, assail or even guns that can penetrate multiple enemies

[swift eagle]

Anticipation still important for FGS or nah?

[zealous wing]

it specifies triggers once per attack... why, if its every bullet is a single attack

[marble crater]

Depends on you I guess

[zealous wing]

yeah its preference

ee tho is a requirement for gunker

[wind spruce]

not if youre using a revolver

[swift eagle]

How are you proccing soulblaze from wildfire here if you have no way to set soulblaze to begin with?

nvm

im dumb i was looking at something else

[plucky flax]

I use it cos I'm bad.

[deft stump]

I use it as well. So checks out.

[swift eagle]

Thoughts on Tranquility through Slaughter for gunker? Isn't that important to keep up SG when you're using your gun on a boss?

[jovial juniper]

Mainly for critical chance

But keeping peril too low impacts Warp Rider

[wind spruce]

become based, drop warp rider

[jovial juniper]

Yeah
Based
Without free 20% damage

Yeah but Tranquility slaughter should ultimately be ok

It's not Crack

[wind spruce]

Yesss

[thorn cedar]

It's expensive really.

But it works.

[thorn cedar]

you always got a meme ready

[austere burrow]

Ur a menace to the impirium

[wind spruce]

love paying talent tax for mediocre damage

[austere burrow]

The way I see it psykers are more of a support class eventho we do have the best horde clear tho

[jovial juniper]

Free damage 🗣️

[austere burrow]

Dmg isn't everything we got cc

Aoe cc

[wind spruce]

so are like half the nodes on the tree

[jovial juniper]

Yeah
They all add up to better free damage

[jovial juniper]

I mean

Every class can be support

So like

When everyone's support

Does it really matter

[deft stump]

Eh, sometimes when you actually notice it, you feel it more when you don't have it.

[wind spruce]

what are you running for gunker this patch

[thorn cedar]

I support by doing 35% of my teams damage

[jovial juniper]

I'm running Marksman Psyker

With Vigi 7

[wind spruce]

just smite next time wow

[thorn cedar]

smite dn

[wind spruce]

nice

got a talent build?

[jovial juniper]

Lemme find it

[thorn cedar]

i havent gotten to go to my local coffee shop in like three weeks cause of work, genuinely excited to sip this espresso again

[upper sun]

bros.... someone deactivated my school laptop i just noticed

who would scratch my BOMB SEAL?

[thorn cedar]

It was me

[wind spruce]

i had a triple sachet nescafe kitkat coffee today

[thorn cedar]

Why aren't you playing darktide

[upper sun]

2 presentations

[thorn cedar]

this sounds unbearably American

[wind spruce]

im aussie

[thorn cedar]

yea but that coffee aint

[wind spruce]

you're right

it wasn't

[thorn cedar]

dude ur like ten feet away from indonesia

some of the best coffee in the world

and ur drinkin a kitkat smoothie

smh

[wind spruce]

not actual kitkats

[thorn cedar]

WHATEVER

[wind spruce]

this monstrosity

[thorn cedar]

no lie though I'd try it

[wind spruce]

was free in my breakroom lel

had to do it

and i needed more go-fast juice

[marble crater]

This is why the emperor doesn't talk to us anymore

[upper sun]

this looks amazing

[thorn cedar]

i only drink single source origin pour overs that are extracted through quadruple distilled water filtered through a musical organ that is playing Mozart

or instant mix, depends on the day

[wind spruce]

it was decidedly mid, like most overly sugary crap like this

[jaunty current]

is duelling sword still the most broken piece of melee weaponry the psyker has?

[wind spruce]

but it did the trick

[jovial juniper]

Hey that's not the cropped version

C'mon

[wind spruce]

have u tried perfectionism and cruel fortune since the patch

[jovial juniper]

Haven't

[wind spruce]

easy to maintain

[thorn cedar]

????

but ur name

[jovial juniper]

I didn't play much in the last 2 days

[thorn cedar]

are you a fucken liar

[jovial juniper]

[wind spruce]

we all screenshotted it

[jovial juniper]

No
I played Perfectionist in the last 2 days

[thorn cedar]

damn right

everyone should be running perfectionist

[marble crater]

I already am one, I don't need a talent for it

[thorn cedar]

no the other one

[jovial juniper]

This one I haven't

[twilit veldt]

okie dokie, ive actually got rid of keystones on the melee psyker and honestly, it works pretty well

[jovial juniper]

In fact

The only instance of psyker that I played

Was yesterday

With clad and sut and a random

I allegedly pushed a burster into them

But in reality they lost a 3v1 against a captain

[thorn cedar]

I believe you but you still make me sick.

[twilit veldt]

honestly, either DD or no keystone works pretty well

[wind spruce]

@plucky flax go away

[fiery stratus]

Hamter luv cocaine

[plucky flax]

Its not me

[twilit veldt]

WS is kinda idk, i love the keystone but WS with scryiers in this thing is all over the place, empowered is pointless since im running BB only for kinetic flayer and DD is probably the best one to choose since you get a lot out of it

[wind spruce]

Oh OK come closer then

[plucky flax]

:3

[marble crater]

He was grinding PoE2 for months, how can it be AgentChaos?

[twilit veldt]

for DD, idk which one would be better, Perfectionism or Lingering Influence

[wind spruce]

You can't trick me, I know that stands for purveyor of entropy

[steel flame]

Don't run a keystone then, take more from the middle or top

[deft stump]

We were playing. I wanted needed my weekly box.

[marble crater]

Nice try

[deft stump]

What?

[marble crater]

Just like Irosk, I am not falling for your tricks

[twilit veldt]

yea thats the plan

[deft stump]

Okay then.

[wind spruce]

@plucky flax 84k warpfire damage out of 2 mill

Pc doing work

[marble crater]

Washed

[plucky flax]

Pls no flame

[marble crater]

I could do at least 90k with Blaze Trauma and Shriek

[austere burrow]

Yes cause we have CDs and resources others just kinda spam stuff

[wind spruce]

That's what I'm suggesting

[jovial juniper]

Perfectionism

L Influence

Am I right?

https://tenor.com/view/ranier-wolfcastle-the-simpsons-thats-the-joke-gif-3545945

[wind spruce]

Pog

[twilit veldt]

i mean

it works

and it is pretty funny with a greatsword so

[marble crater]

[twilit veldt]

from the two matches where ive tried it the only thing that killed me was a poxburster getting killed by teammate yeeting me out of the map, gotta play it a bit more but honestly, its pretty comfy

toughness out the ass

[marble crater]

You better be using Momentum on the greatsword, for the full meme

[twilit veldt]

in a match rn

[steel flame]

Beautiful

[twilit veldt]

uh im running shred and warp slice. I know warp Slice aint the best to use but the reason i use it is that the damage being a crit is unaffected by range. When in psykanium after some amount of range the damage falls off hard, but if its a guaranteed crit itll do the full damage even at very long range, and i use the warp slice to just clear out chaff to deal with more annoying enemies anyway

[patent steeple]

I may have decided to make a blaze Vstrike build, and this is my current one. (I use mk7 taxe or mk6 knife with it, and I am still debating whether to use True Aim or MM, or if I could just put the point into neither and just take Soulstealer instead)

[wind spruce]

You don't need cruel fortune with lingering influence. Either grab perfectionism or cut it.

[thorn cedar]

This is new information to me.

[summer prairie]

I had 9.x stack average with just lingering on a rotten armor map. Wasn't hunting for marked targets, but the constant streams of crushers drain your stacks

[thorn cedar]

why are you fighting crushers? theyre not blue

thats someone elses problem

[plucky flax]

Tru

[thorn cedar]

do your fancy scoreboards have the ability to distinguish where PC is apply its damage, ie. unit type?

if its 90k soulblaze on just elites thats a bigger deal

[steel flame]

I think of warp slash as less of a damage tool and more of a stagger everything tool, and when flayer is off cooldown i use it as a sniper to kill specials through walls.

[summer prairie]

Power DI can tell that generally for SB, not specifically for PC unless it's your only source

[steel flame]

power di would be great if it didnt stutter the shit out of the game

[thorn cedar]

:3

[steel flame]

i know he wants power di to supplant scoreboard but hes gotta get that shit figured out before i even consider it as a replacement

[candid temple]

Uhh

[gray juniper]

I can tell she’s both fat and has a content life as I have one of these

[twilit veldt]

@steel flame @thorn cedar this one is with

this one is without

with warp slice itll deal enough damage to clear out chaff pretty well

[gray juniper]

High toughness and retains damage

These are kill stream builds that I play gunker for

[twilit veldt]

yes with kinetic flayer its really good because if theres a trapper in a mixed horde, assuming nothing else is in front of it that could proc the flayer its basically free clear

plus trappers do have low enough HP where i tend to kill them even without flayer

[gray juniper]

This was an attempt at making EK great again and turned into melee madness

[twilit veldt]

its the one thing i didnt really agree with with the Aethernum guide when it came to the greatsword, putting the warp slice as trash tier

its not the best blessing but it has its niche

plus it is very funny to use on Hunting Grounds modifiers

[thorn cedar]

Interesting, i gotta look into this more

Still not sure if it justifies using Warp Slice tbh but that's not nothing.

[twilit veldt]

other options like wrath or even riposte can probably get better average results, but the warp slice for every 15 seconds having a free horde clear as long as you got the two charge up nodes active is pretty sweet

and even then, its pretty fucking cool animation giving it extra points in my eyes

[thorn cedar]

yea thats the catch tho, you gotta use the sword to charge the sword, and it has to be kills, so making the sword itself worse also makes the big slice worse

but if just a half charge crit with other bonuses can clear chaff then maybe

[twilit veldt]

well its not as if charging it up fully takes too long

[thorn cedar]

depends what youre fighting

[twilit veldt]

as for half charge, gimme moment

[thorn cedar]

idk if you have mods but give yourself 20 DD stacks if you can

and stack scriers up with precog

[twilit veldt]

with half charge on further targets it does around half of what it would do

so its full charge or bust

buuuuuuuuut

[summer prairie]

what if the horde has havoc hp

[thorn cedar]

oh havoc is right out

not even considering it lmao

[twilit veldt]

yea i dont think this would be very usable for havoc

[thorn cedar]

but a half charge crit with MM, PT, WR, yaddayadda stacked up, maybe for aurics

[twilit veldt]

but for auric its more than enough tbh

[thorn cedar]

ye should be fun

[twilit veldt]

the thing is right, its a 15 sec CD

[summer prairie]

you could just have unstable power instead, how much more does the crit slash even do

[thorn cedar]

30%

[twilit veldt]

youre more than able to get full charge in 15 seconds

[summer prairie]

and unstable would be 20%

[twilit veldt]

so you should be fine with full instead of half

[jaunty current]

if i wanted to do a scrier witch build what gun should i use and how should i build it

[thorn cedar]

any gun that is:
high capacity
high finesse
ideally quick to draw

[marble crater]

Most popular are vraks and reconlas

[twilit veldt]

also @thorn cedar ive been running the warp slice with scryiers and honestly, pretty pogging, you get up to 40% damage from scryiers, 30% more finesse and 20% damage from warp rider

[wraith sphinx]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/tier-lists/weapons/9fe1a5bc-68c8-4aa3-83ab-072071e61e6e my biased list

[twilit veldt]

its been honestly pretty fun

[wraith sphinx]

made it pre patch but should still be generally applicable

[twilit veldt]

the funny thing is ive been using warp slice since the greatsword came out lol

[bright summit]

Smh ek was always great it never left greatness

[gray juniper]

True

I want it to be ludicrous as possible

[bright summit]

Eeeh

It was very oppressive in the hands of a decent player pre patch and now it has a even lower skill floor

[zealous wing]

the lower the skill floor the more you can do with skill

[jaunty current]

what does the tier chadgryn mean

[zealous wing]

[bright summit]

Part of psykers class identity is having a higher skill floor and ceiling compared to other classes due to peril management and that you get punished more for mistakes but they removed so much of that its so unhealthy

[zealous wing]

i can still die in auric to a bruiser to the back, i'd say you still get punished quite well

[bright summit]

Its ok to have stuff that's hard to learn that's part of the complexity and that's what makes mastery more rewarding

[wraith sphinx]

db shotgun is such a wonky weapon to use, but those who use it are

[bright summit]

You have 3more Dr talents now you're so tanky it's fucked

[zealous wing]

i mean

not really

[patent mango]

they gotta make staves not so basic tbh

[bright summit]

Also PA "nerf"

[zealous wing]

like yeah we're slightly less fragile

[patent mango]

melee is so much more fun its not even close lmao

[zealous wing]

but we're still fragile

[jaunty current]

does bistol even have the firerate for scriers?

[bright summit]

Idk melee was fun before it needed more on the players part to make it work and that part of the challenge is part of the interest

[bright summit]

Even if you still consider psyker fragile in comparison, which I guess technically yeah, you cannot deny how blatant the buffs are overall to every part of psykers kit

Its really egregious how they can look at an already overpowered class and say "sure let's buff it even more"

[zealous wing]

you have to try to be able to surivive a mauler overhead still

you can just, actuallyu survive being aggrodumped on by fucking infiltrate/shroudfields

[wraith sphinx]

no but low rof weapons are still viable for sg

[bright summit]

You're not supposed to tank overheads on psyker you're literally playing the lightly armored magic class

[wraith sphinx]

just don't use them with tts and expect to be able to keep your peril down

[bright summit]

Its the design core

[wraith sphinx]

yeah it's because fatshark cares about pick rates and not much else

[zealous wing]

idfk dude im not here to listen to whining, vast majority of us are happy with it, bitching to us changes nothing

[wraith sphinx]

it's stupid but I also don't really care enough to complain

[novel yoke]

the game's entire balance is completely off, like when an ogryn has 300hp, but can kill a 6500hp crusher with melee weapons, they already done goofed

[bright summit]

Like yes maybe the buffs are good on melee but you need to understand that putting Dr talents on the middle of a tree that every build has access of is extremely fucked

[thorn cedar]

idk im of two minds, a) wow they really are buffing the already strong shit, and b) this isnt some competitive title with people making careers and putting money on the line so who cares

[wraith sphinx]

randoms suck so much ass anyways almost every qp mission I go into is essentially a solo match 🥱

[jaunty current]

in that case, how do i build vraks mk V

[bright summit]

Instead of buffing the underperforming stuff up to around the same level of the meta op nonsense they buffed everything so the disparity is still the same you are just significantly stronger without any being or reason

[thorn cedar]

its also really funny to hear complaints that the devs are only balancing around havocs, while anyone with even a slight sense of deductive reasoning can see that they are buffing around use rates across all difficulty spectrums

[wraith sphinx]

dumdum, fire frenzy, flak, unyielding

[zealous wing]

this isnt the perfect fun stat wise

[fading galleon]

peak

[zealous wing]

3rd psyker still lvling

[wraith sphinx]

people are actually claiming that? lmao

[zealous wing]

but the blessings/perks are good

dump ammo stat on vraks

[wraith sphinx]

do they not know of all the malice main playtesters

[thorn cedar]

that hat must stink

[patent mango]

idk man i just wanna play unchained in dt

[bright summit]

I'm not whining I'm just pointing out how this is extremely unhealthy to pve games in general and I've seen it happen over and over again to other games I played

[jaunty current]

dump stat?

[patent mango]

now that we got smth like that psyker is fun again lmao

[zealous wing]

damn

[wraith sphinx]

mobility

[zealous wing]

ammo

its 22 bullets

[novel yoke]

mobility iirc

[bright summit]

Power creep is bad and hard for new players to get into and deviates from the purpose and soul fo tide games, specifically the combat loop and you literally came out of prison I don't think you're supposed to do all thos

[wraith sphinx]

the only unhealthy balancing thing going on is the arbites tbh

that shit is slowly killing the game

[thorn cedar]

the good news is that unlike other, unnamed, and totally not Helldivers 2-like titles, DarkTide has a skill ceiling where your balls will still get horrificly twisted even if you run all of the most OP shit

[zealous wing]

we also debated it and ammo is the best, mobility will be more useful than 22 bullets. if 22 bullets saves a run, you have other bigger things to worry about

[wraith sphinx]

also yeah like game is still hard lmao

[bright summit]

Unfortunately this may not be the case if you consider the most op op shit

[patent mango]

when do we actually get ds nerfs already lmao

[bright summit]

I remember when I used to and I had a near 100% havoc 40 winrate and it's kind of mind numbling

[patent mango]

please just launch it into orbit its not worth it anymore

[thorn cedar]

maybe for like 0.1% of the player base

like yeah it turns out if you put Ainz, Combine, Sequens, and Reginald into a lobby together and they all played Rumblegryn with a Survivalist Vet, they'd ruin an H40 pretty candidly

[novel yoke]

tbh after the stuff I saw in qp I believe a good chunk of players would still fail

[zealous wing]

idk ainz alone is good enough. h40 solo

[thorn cedar]

But give the exact same set up to the other 99.9% of players and they'll die in the first room.

[novel yoke]

this one random level 102 veteran walked into a daemonhost TWICE

[bright summit]

If it were only like that few of the player base why did they balance havoc 40 around hard meta and also balance the entire game around the meta

[novel yoke]

after we pinged it too

drove me insane

[thorn cedar]

see you're doing it now

[bright summit]

Like then why balance around havocs

[thorn cedar]

first it's "theyre buffing the weak shit because of bad players"

now it's "theyre balancing around havocs"

[bright summit]

Please balance around damnation

[thorn cedar]

they are balancing around damnation

[bright summit]

I didn't say anything regarding skills

[zealous wing]

yeah thats why i said what i did earlier. they're literally just here to whine

[jaunty current]

i already have mobility with duelling sword though

wouldnt it be redundant?

[thorn cedar]

actually scratch that, theyre balancing around heresy

[prime elk]

really? it's hard to tell

[thorn cedar]

becaue thats where 80% of people actually are

[zealous wing]

idk, i enjoy more mobility on everything if possible

[patent mango]

people actually paly heresy? 😨

[thorn cedar]

way more than you think

[novel yoke]

my friend group fr

[bright summit]

Oh please can you not see how they buff Aurics every patch as an attempt for it to be a stopgap for powercreep

[thorn cedar]

dont forget we're an incredibly exclusive club in this discord, we're weirdos

[jaunty current]

maybe i dont enjoy regularly getting my ass kicked and just want to relax and kill people

[prime elk]

i think they're just balancing around ~vibes~

it's the only explanation

[patent mango]

but relax and kill is auric

[zealous wing]

not everyone has ADHD

[marble crater]

falls of map at start of the mission Oh

[bright summit]

If they're balancing around damnation aurics are supposed to hard

[patent mango]

i'd do t hat in any diff 🔥

[bright summit]

If damnation is the ideal difficulty a typical player ends up in

[wraith sphinx]

you'd be surprised

heresy still the absolute quickest difficulty to qp into

[jaunty current]

its also a good mix of experienced and somewhat fresh players

[wraith sphinx]

kinda like hazard 3 from DRG now

[zealous wing]

heresy is literally the middleground

[patent mango]

people play haz 3? 😨

[wraith sphinx]

meanwhile damnation is starting to feel like the odd one out, like auric heresy used to be

[bright summit]

Do not talk drg balance to me holy fuck

You don't understand the history I have with that game

[jaunty current]

DRG is balanced?

[wraith sphinx]

We didn't ask

[bright summit]

Its not

[zealous wing]

yeah no one literally did talk to you about it?

[bright summit]

Sorry I saw drg got mentioned and I see red

[swift eagle]

Wait thats a psyker?

[zealous wing]

yeah

[fading galleon]

Yes

[patent mango]

aura farmer class

[jaunty current]

dude looks like abelard

[thorn cedar]

cards on the table -- i dont fucken care about the intricate balance of a PvE game, so long as you dont have an option that craters the engagement of other players (LOOKIN AT YOU, SMITE) and you dont have an option that so brutally overshadows all others to the point of making you question ever using anything else (dueling sword), and so long as there's a level of difficulty where player skill is what determines outcomes

[fading galleon]

The drippiest one in the whole warband

[jaunty current]

Abelard! Whack his PeePee!

[patent mango]

lets kill smite

with hatchets

[jaunty current]

no

dont

[zealous wing]

smite needs to go the way of Loner

[bright summit]

Everything that inflicts stagger 3 does this

[royal totem]

listening to people bitch about balance here is the wildest or that things aren't hard enough

[jaunty current]

smite is funny

[thorn cedar]

anything that kills an enemy does this

[jaunty current]

you can throw poxwalkers off a bridge

[zealous wing]

smite is annoying as all fuck to try working around

[bright summit]

Nope that's not what my point is trying to make

[swift eagle]

Uhh. Dueling sword isn't a problem? You know has no problem with hordes, and with proper builds can practically if not actually one shot bosses?

[jaunty current]

4 smite psykers

[zealous wing]

if theres 4 smykers then im not there

[wraith sphinx]

balance is still important in a pve game, just not as stringent as it would be in a pvp game

[bright summit]

Stagger 3 needs to be reserved for limited game saving resources and not saying every single ability in the game or every rumbler shot

[wraith sphinx]

it just got nerfed?

[thorn cedar]

didnt really no

[zealous wing]

if theres 3 smykers and one gunker, meaning i am there, im literally dragging the monsters to them to deal with then quitting

[wraith sphinx]

heavy attack damage reduced by 20% afaik

[swift eagle]

Not really.

[bright summit]

When I see enemies I like to fight them and that requires them to fight back

[jaunty current]

3 smite psykers and a martyrdom insta boss deleto 40000 zealot

[patent mango]

pvp gams just care too much about balance not enough about being fun nowadays too lmao

[austere burrow]

All they did was increase variety of gameplay in all classes

[swift eagle]

It can still from what I've seen one shot bosses, crushers, and has zero issues with horde clear or anything really.

[zealous wing]

that also means im not there

[bright summit]

There's no gameplay value from seeing crushers sit on the ground indefinitely

[austere burrow]

Veteran was a ranged only class now they can melee

[bright summit]

They always could????

[wraith sphinx]

what's the crusher one shot ds build

[austere burrow]

Psyker was an utility class with good aoe dmg now you can use guns without a cap

[zealous wing]

shroudfield zealot

[austere burrow]

But it would be an handicap

[jaunty current]

just whack the crusher with the most powerful car door imaginable(arbys shield and maul)

[swift eagle]

Veterans can do this as well btw.

[prime elk]

melee vet was really powerful even before the patch my man

[royal totem]

.........ok time to leave this chat until this asinine conversation dies down. cuz this is truly asinine

[bright summit]

Weapon specialist was the strongest side the tree almost always

[zealous wing]

yeah anything that can deal 6500 dmg can one shot an auric crusher

anything doing 10k can deal with a havoc crusher

[swift eagle]

Not sure how it is. I mean just discussing issues with gameplay balance?

[bright summit]

They buffed right tree more they actually made the build diversity worse

[austere burrow]

I'm just saying this changes were more for variety of gameplay than balance

[patent mango]

exe stance and right vet keystone actually exist now

[jaunty current]

just hit the crusher with a car door and he'll fall over for you to whack him with a stick, it works with arbys and oggys

[wraith sphinx]

yeah um despite it being better now mmf is somehow less appealing

[zealous wing]

just force weapon push attack and stab them also works

[thorn cedar]

your conclusion is still correct but yeah the rest of what you said was not lmao

[bright summit]

There was a variety of gameplay before it just had various levels of intricacies to using them and now all the talents are mashed together like a meat abomination there is no point anymore

[thorn cedar]

more things are accessible on the trees and fun to use, things that were considered 'core' due to their strength are now pathing nodes, all of this is good

[jaunty current]

its not bad or good its just different

[thorn cedar]

zealot exemplifies it the most

[austere burrow]

Fair

[wraith sphinx]

I say it's good because the viability margin for all the different possible loadouts went up dramatically

[swift eagle]

I also really wouldn't call it bad tbh. The changes so far have seemed really nice. Obviously you will have outliers thats just the name of any game.

[thorn cedar]

by orders of magnitude even

[bright summit]

Fatshark can't rework classes without buffing them to shit

[austere burrow]

I think now weapon variety is better but the people that want to optimize will prolly keep using the same swords

[wraith sphinx]

two of my favourite gimmick builds were painful to play pre-patch, now they're completely workable and more fun to play

[bright summit]

They also buffed the game overall significantly so it remains the same if you think about it

[patent mango]

im just using greatsword no1 can stop me

[thorn cedar]

and i can already see a 'THE BUILD' forming on all the new trees, which is unsurprising

[bright summit]

The meta stuff got buffed the most because that's why they are meta

[thorn cedar]

thats just an inescapable reality

[jaunty current]

i need to play veteran again so i can rebuild my chainsword and bistol commissar

[wraith sphinx]

What does "buffed the game" mean here

[bright summit]

Psyker had different builds before I had so many builds now there's just 1 build and I can't even argue about it

[wraith sphinx]

also what one build

[swift eagle]

This is why the stronger meta options should be adjusted without bringing down the already lower viability of different options. I imagine that is the description of attempting to balance.

[austere burrow]

They told me meta was flame staff but I want the eletrokinetic and it is amazing

[jaunty current]

i like smite

[summer prairie]

psyker build diversity is better, though it was good before

[jaunty current]

smite kills hordes

i will not back down

[swift eagle]

This is not even true.

[bright summit]

They can just need things? Reduce adm on inferno m2 reduce stagger from half charge trauma rework EE for a longer duration but with a CD and remove PA and m2 smite

[austere burrow]

Smiting is the reason to play paladin I mean a psyker of the emperor smh

[thorn cedar]

smite's not going anywhere, trust me

as much as i would love to see it go

same issue as survivalist aura on vet

[swift eagle]

I think Smite is the most disliked thing in this game tbh, right alongside the old loner stealth zealots

[thorn cedar]

it's not for you, it's for the people who still physically scream out loud when a mutant grabs them in malice

[bright summit]

Aurics were buffed, havocs were buffed with mystery loot box modifiers, gunners are buffed, maulers are buffed

[thorn cedar]

and let me tell you

those people are having a lot of fun

and arent having this discussion on a discord

[austere burrow]

We don't need a trauma rework, trauma is the system that back for blood used and is widely loved in the hoard shooters community

[bright summit]

They could've just adjusted the individual weapons..

[summer prairie]

they also buffed havoc trickle hordes and possibly specialist pacing

[thorn cedar]

"it was self defence officer"

[patent mango]

wuh

[swift eagle]

Except this wasn't just an issue of weapons. Some builds were less viable because of insane node taxes.

[wraith sphinx]

that doesn't cancel out veteran, zealot and psyker no longer having dogshit build variety

[austere burrow]

The system of dying and being revived but with less max hp was already used in other games

[summer prairie]

I see like one trauma psyker in 100 games

that's not me

[wraith sphinx]

that's not how this works. You're being a doomer right now

[austere burrow]

Ohhh I'm sorry u mean the other trauma

[marble crater]

See, Fatshark, this is what happens when you change names... smh

[bright summit]

Psyker had so many builds variety I don't think psyker can be included

[patent mango]

lol

[thorn cedar]

there's another trauma??

[austere burrow]

Trauma is usually used for the mechanic of reviving with less hp

[thorn cedar]

yea all the psykers i see run fire staff. CAUSE THEY WUSSY

[bright summit]

Vet and zealot have the same core issue but different symptoms of the issue

[austere burrow]

I run eletrokinetic cause I like to be a sith

[deft stump]

That run was luck based though, think he even said it as well. Good modifiers and seed.

[bright summit]

Vet had great talents but a bad tree and zealot only had good talents down 1 specific path of the tree but they both arrived at the same conclusion

[wraith sphinx]

Yes it can, the changes impacted psyker the least but there's still more build flexibility now than before

[deft stump]

EXCUSE ME.

[summer prairie]

I've only seen Karien play havoc 40

[austere burrow]

Heretic send him to the emperor for sacrifice

[bright summit]

... Yeah and they giga buffed Scriers... Again. Counting this patch it's the 3rd buff psyker has gotten in a row btw

[patent mango]

500 MORE BUFFS FOR SCRIERS LETS GOOO

[summer prairie]

they forgot to buff assail this patch

[thorn cedar]

i want two shards, one for each hand

[bright summit]

Also really big buffs to WS

[deft stump]

I have always played melee 'nadier, WDYM?

[jovial juniper]

It's ok
Gaze got its monthly Fatshark mandated buff

So it evens out

[austere burrow]

Fair but wasn't playing ranged way stronger like way stronger

[wraith sphinx]

You're just rattling out complaints now, put a lid on it.

[royal totem]

I thought karien clutches h40s everyday

[bright summit]

This is literally the 3rd buff psyker has gotten in a row if you want to check patch notes.

[swift eagle]

And?

[austere burrow]

Also tbh if Ur a seer psyker canonically you should be even stronger but the game has to be balanced

[wraith sphinx]

I've already explained why said buffs happened.

[bright summit]

Peril management is now no longer a mechanic

[patent mango]

all psykers are already comically strong and stable they dont need more lmao

[summer prairie]

peril management was never a mechanic since like closed beta

or when trauma/surge peril was adjusted

[austere burrow]

My only complaint about psykers in terms of balance is that we aren't the boss beaters even with a way to break the boss head

[patent mango]

peril management is just waiting for my peril to go down to 97% so i can cast warp slash

[deft stump]

I'm a vet main. You can have tinkerer twinned kraks to the face.

[wraith sphinx]

Peril management mechanic
I hold down R for one or two seconds

[bright summit]

Yeah but it's way worse now with how PA functions you get 100% uptime on scriers and shriek every 6 seconds it's just f key spam

[deft stump]

Only if you are married to plasma.

[austere burrow]

Oh sorry Mr vet
Heretic execute him on the spot cause he can't be sacrificed to the emperor

[swift eagle]

How wasn't this the same thing prior to this patch?

[thorn cedar]

all of this was already achievable yeah

[wraith sphinx]

you could do PA SG pre patch too

[thorn cedar]

100% WU uptime has been around

[bright summit]

You could I did that but the uptime is tighter signifcantly

[wraith sphinx]

you just locked yourself out of assail

[bright summit]

I always did that

[austere burrow]

I think queil control still matters

[bright summit]

Oh do you want a numerical comparison for a build I can do that

[austere burrow]

Don't we have a ultimate skill to explode and not die

[deft stump]

Well, they get blammed instead. Have I mentioned I'm not a commissar build?

[spice oar]

If anything it’s more complex Wdym???

[sturdy reef]

I am in the DSV gang fully now ever since the patch

its parry is also better than the other marks

[austere burrow]

That's cool

I'm a full on eletro Mage psyker

[sturdy reef]

ES stance with helbore is pretty nuts right now

[austere burrow]

And tbh the only thing I got to complain about Warhammer not darktide is the lack of xenos games

[sturdy reef]

the MKIV also shits on plasma gunners

[deft stump]

I know, but I hate hellbore like I dislike plasma. Delayed shot on 300 ping means I get feedback on my shots like 2 secs later.

[thorn cedar]

where you forward this from

[austere burrow]

In darktide being a xeno would be an hard ask

[bright summit]

A server me and my friend runs

[thorn cedar]

a lot of it is wrong

[twilit veldt]

scryiers has rending?

[thorn cedar]

its making a lot of assumptions

[sturdy reef]

scriers doesnt give rending

[thorn cedar]

and is still incorrect in a lot of those assumptions as well

[swift eagle]

I feel like there is no science to back this up. I'd want to see the build and how this is happening.

[summer prairie]

he is talking about a build

not SG

[bright summit]

Yeah the assumption is you're building the same as the prev variation of this huild

[dense flume]

1 or 2 whole seconds?? Whoaa, slow down there, Quelly McQuellsAlot

[patent mango]

wait you actually quell?

[austere burrow]

I quell middle slide

[zealous wing]

the fuck you mean "this build can horde clear now"

[thorn cedar]

i run around at full speed quelling like a naruto ninja

[bright summit]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f8a9d87-83d8-4177-ac6e-5e9f513a02b0/updated-havoc-40-staff-psyker-meta-electrokinetic-staff-type-build

[zealous wing]

horde clear is like, the MAIN thing psykers can do with EASE, preupdate

[patent mango]

i dont think electro is in a good state

[bright summit]

M1 EK

[summer prairie]

do you actually take wildfire+souldrinker+pc just for %crit and mettle

[strong gulch]

Talking about pathing SG to warp siphon. PoTS is now 20% rending instead of 10%. But that is warp damage only; and it only really helps assail because stave ADMs are already high.

[wraith sphinx]

right now? yea I quell a smidge so I can brainburst at not critical peril if needed

[thorn cedar]

and its a floating variable so it is not 20%

[swift eagle]

It's already not meta because you're not using the strongest melee weapon in the game ya know? But I'll continue looking.

[patent mango]

yeah knife is a big loss on that

[bright summit]

Yea meant that it helps assail and also assail takable on old build

[round blaze]

Melee psyker feels way more braindead on auric now. I just never really take any damage, mash lmb and assail and everything dies I guess?

[austere burrow]

As an eletro player it is

Your just an aoe cc support instead of a glass canon

[strong gulch]

ye

[summer prairie]

I like when people just add meta randomly

[thorn cedar]

mind in motion is meta

[bright summit]

In WU, which you will be most of combat, its capped

[twilit veldt]

well with scryiers you tend to be always at 100% since you can go with Warp Unbound node but yea

[swift eagle]

META "Most Efficent Tactic Available"

[patent mango]

fr?

[austere burrow]

Eletro isn't a solo play build I guess

Cause Ur job is making it easy for your team

[patent mango]

i never see electro psykers

[summer prairie]

that acronym was made up ex post facto

[bright summit]

I cannot for good faith say the build is off meta comparing last patch ek to this patch ek

[austere burrow]

The flame build does more dmg but has less utility

[summer prairie]

I've literally never seen anyone use that build. Maybe it's the best build, but no one uses it

[thorn cedar]

yea but its still more nuanced than that, even your own build gets basically 1-2% extra damage from PotS at best

[austere burrow]

Eletro is full on utility

[summer prairie]

So it's not meta

[bright summit]

Ek is to ranged enemies is like clube taunt ogryn to melee enemies

[swift eagle]

For META? Then what does Meta mean if not that?

[austere burrow]

It's very strong to make Ur team not take dmg

[summer prairie]

meta is something people use and think is good

[twilit veldt]

honestly instead of the rending id go with empyric personally, youre using a staff and the scryiers so youre not going to get much bonus damage out of it before reaching 100% perils

[summer prairie]

not that it is necessarily best

[thorn cedar]

a very expensive staff too

[austere burrow]

The issue with eletro is Ur relying on Ur team's dmg

Ur still good at horde clearing but Ur not the best psyker for that job

But hey free bosses cause cc op

[bright summit]

? Its extremely high peaks second to only inferno and sometimes even with trauma

[sturdy reef]

u switch to melee and/or use shriek

its fine

can also use assail now

[strong gulch]

There's also an ease or more accessible component to meta builds.

[swift eagle]

Ancient Greece would like to disagree with you.

[sturdy reef]

assail electro and still having PA is yuge

[thorn cedar]

we're all just shadows on the wall of a cave

[austere burrow]

I mean the elites are kinda not Ur thing

U kinda just cc them and hope Ur team uses the timing to end them quick

[summer prairie]

well they certainly didn't use it to mean Most Efficient Tactic Available

[bright summit]

I've debated this, currently Im not thinking about ER because braindead WU uptime is really good and maxxing out all your stats is really insane

[swift eagle]

No but arguably it still means as "Above and beyond"

[bright summit]

Depends on comp it could be I think

[austere burrow]

But overall eletro psykers are as good as flame just not for the same reasons

[thorn cedar]

yea this deffo doesnt need ER, but i'd still move that PotS point to basically ANYTHING

JaD even

KD

[austere burrow]

Flame is you do big numba DMG
Eletro is Ur team has a easy run without many deaths

[thorn cedar]

Vuln Minds

aaaanything

[bright summit]

On shriek or Scriers you eat them up like nothing it's so fucked, m1 ek focused builds, that is.

[wraith sphinx]

pretty sure meta comes from the greek meaning of the term and refers to builds and strategies gained from an out-of-game source as opposed to something you'd devise through your own experience playing the game

[austere burrow]

Trueee but that's not staff reliant all staffs can do that

[thorn cedar]

meta stands for Must Eat Thicc Ass

[sturdy reef]

voidblast is better for the team than electro

[thorn cedar]

it was originally coined by the greek philosopher Thirstius

[austere burrow]

I disagree cause it doesn't extend the cc for such a range

[thorn cedar]

you guys really should study your history

[sturdy reef]

you only get the CC if it crits

[austere burrow]

Void is good if the horde is small
Eletro is good regardless

[swift eagle]

Regardless. Monsoons build seems solid, though questionable on the curios. I mean there is also weaker builds that can run Havoc 40 right?

[summer prairie]

Do you think warp charges are better than DD for m1 EK, I was having constant SG even without warp charges and it should be better damage

[wraith sphinx]

anyways this conversation is going nowhere, I'm out

[thorn cedar]

plus Warp Charges constantly get ate and drop your damage

[wraith sphinx]

update good, simple as

[swift eagle]

Yeah my opinion too honestly.

[thorn cedar]

which i STILL detest

[sturdy reef]

warp charges are better than DD for EK imo

ever since quell cancelling got removed

not a contest anymore

[patent mango]

the fun thing about warp charges is you can just take dd instead

[twilit veldt]

the CD on scryiers is also low enough that with just few elite/special kills youll have it up even without the need for warp charges

[summer prairie]

we are talking about SG M1 surge EK

[deft stump]

Except the plasma guys need some nerfs to fire rate and damage outside of shields.

[bright summit]

I haven't played that much DDs this patch yet but with how you have points for IFR and soulblaze component it may be

[patent mango]

plasma gunners need to have some actualy decent cues

[deft stump]

Or HARD limited to 2-3 at once.

[zealous wing]

yeah if its h40, PA plus warp charges for SG feels like overkill

[bright summit]

Which fucking sucks because DDs had a higher ceiling before and it's a little harder

[thorn cedar]

24% global damage OR 25% global damage and 50% crit damage and 75% weakspot damage and 125% crit weakspot damage and move speed and toughness hmmm

[summer prairie]

I don't take the SB stuff with my build

[twilit veldt]

what do you mean you dont enjoy losing 3/4 of your HP in half a second when you get hit by 3 plasma gunners you didnt even know were there

[deft stump]

The sound engine dies when 14 of them spawns ontop of loud specials.

[twilit veldt]

^

[jovial juniper]

What's Warp Syphon max damage again?

24%?

[thorn cedar]

24%

[twilit veldt]

24

[thorn cedar]

which is constantly hovering

in chunks of 4%

[strong gulch]

I wonder if it's dependent on how well you can pro PA for DD vs warp siphon? Or if you prefer gambling vs a guarantee? For M1 surge EK.

[jovial juniper]

Oof

1% less than Perfectionism

[deft stump]

You mean watching an arby go from 100% 100% to 0% 0% because 6 of them chain railed the guy.

[sturdy reef]

DD targeting changes make it good

[jovial juniper]

That's an L

[zealous wing]

god also, i QP'd to heresy, got twin fight, an arby fucking died in the tox smacking poxxers, then, after we all got downed, had the audacity to say "pick me up"... some people man

[bright summit]

Curios are my preference but feel free to do it like that too lol

[thorn cedar]

and none of the finesse bonuses

[zealous wing]

fucking arbys havent changed

[thorn cedar]

or extra toughness baked in

[jovial juniper]

True

[zealous wing]

[sturdy reef]

inferno staff still wants PA imo

[bright summit]

It was always very strong

[sturdy reef]

yes

but less consistent

[deft stump]

SILENTLY.

[twilit veldt]

with the gain on fire node its also quite a fuckin lottery, either you get back to full 6 charges in like 2 seconds or youre going for like 10 seconds with 1-2

[strong gulch]

Curios are choose your own adventure.

[eager token]

arbites still feels crazy strong 😭

[zealous wing]

i wanna get this psyker done levelling so i can get back on main

[jovial juniper]

Honestly
Yeah teammates killing your target then delaying the target selection sucked so much

[sturdy reef]

PA charges are always feast or famine

[jovial juniper]

This new rate is better

[plucky flax]

Purple and rot armour

[deft stump]

Just durable tbh.

[plucky flax]

How tanky do you want them to be? Yes

[eager token]

they just sneeze and bleed stacks fly everywhere

[bright summit]

Probably still Scriers DDs? Shriekspam m1 ek is also very oppressive atm but yeah

[summer prairie]

try to do purple rotten without infinite cleave

With Scriers DD yes

[plucky flax]

No I will not do that.

I will use burga and chill

[sturdy reef]

purple rotten is so ass

but hey

[plucky flax]

Hopefully team will deal with crushers.

[deft stump]

No? The avg frag vet will do more.

[sturdy reef]

at least the branx isnt overkill on that modifier

[plucky flax]

I'm not touching crushers.

[dense flume]

Iirc it kinda started in table tops, where people knew so much about the game mechanics they were kind of playing their own game within the game (self referential being another definition) . As trends tend to do, it caught on and spread and its usage was less specific and the spirit of the word meant more than its literal meaning

[sturdy reef]

[bright summit]

Dogshit experience honestly

[summer prairie]

once the crushers have 25+ stacks of SB, you can just switch to your melee and apply uncanny

[zealous wing]

oh yeah no one answered, how fast is the healing for that modifier? anyone have the hp per second number/formula on hand by chance?

[sturdy reef]

every havoc reset

[deft stump]

I forgot to take rebreather.

[sturdy reef]

the modifiers get crazier

[plucky flax]

Why would you take it.

[sturdy reef]

what doesnt stimms do

lol

[deft stump]

300 ping questionable fart clouds.

[plucky flax]

If us 2 psykers didn't need it you on arby don't need it.

[deft stump]

I could be taking gas damage when not in gas.

[strong gulch]

It's so much better than with brain fog and a low concentration of valid DD targets, I could get DD to hover around 15 DD stacks without trying to hard. Then when enemies actually showed up, keeping 25 DD stacks was not a problem at all.

I am not an efficient melee / gunker either.

Huge QoL change.

[deft stump]

I got overheaded by the captain literally more than 10 feet away from him.

[strong gulch]

indigestion

protection from self

[eager token]

was surge staff affected by the changes at all

[summer prairie]

I wish we could get 3 modifiers; purple, red and rotten armor or stims

[sturdy reef]

[plucky flax]

Maybe I play surge in rotten armour.

[sturdy reef]

just play voidblast

[thorn cedar]

new modifier: die

[summer prairie]

how many surge RMBs to kill a crusher

[eager token]

blaze trauma my beloved

[eager token]

69420

[sturdy reef]

too many

[jovial juniper]

I should definitely change my pfp due to DD changes

[strong gulch]

Surely a rotted havoc crusher will die within 30 BBs. Right?

[sturdy reef]

...right?

[thorn cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/worried-scared-oh-no-stop-it-fearful-gif-12534009

[plucky flax]

Maybe only 20

[summer prairie]

you take care of one, the team takes care of the rest

[plucky flax]

It's fair trade.

[eager token]

only enough RMBs to proc overload then crystalline will node kills 20 crushers

[strong gulch]

That one crusher could have splat the whole team.

[sturdy reef]

grenadier vet with kraks still struggles with rotten armor

[zealous wing]

the stagger-proof modifier is what will ruin me

[sturdy reef]

thats just blue and green stimm

[zealous wing]

being unable to interrupt their attack while meleeing them

[plucky flax]

We have plasma and helbore vets on my team.

Purple crushers stand no chance.

And a tacaxe zealot

[thorn cedar]

tinktinktinktinktinktinktinktinktinktinktinktinktink

[deft stump]

That's just rotten armour. Is just, bleh with how much spam.

[spice oar]

Hey does warp splitting apply to ranged too?

[zealous wing]

i know it applies to assail

[cosmic cobalt]

its universal cleave

[spice oar]

Rad

I’m wondering if it would make staff primary pierce or hit twice in a horde

[summer prairie]

no

[deft stump]

Only if the shot already has high enough cleave to multiply.

[spice oar]

So no

[summer prairie]

it has only like 0.25 cleave

[spice oar]

Damm

But thx

[jaunty current]

you guys want to see the worst inferno staff ever made?

check this 0% burn

i can lightly tickle a heretic with it

might as well melee with the staff

[deft stump]

That's a flashlight.

[plucky flax]

Okay I wiped after 10 mins.

[deft stump]

I guess a torchlight.

[plucky flax]

They sucked hard.

[thorn cedar]

sometimes you want your heretics blue rare instead of well done

[zealous wing]

now i want to try to get one thats lowest dmg lowest burn

[plucky flax]

Cringe moment

[deft stump]

Did you get ppl worse than me?

[plucky flax]

Ye probably

They do no damage no cc no anything.

[zealous wing]

...

in 10 minutes

[plucky flax]

10 mins 39s round.

[zealous wing]

you got 1 mil, they got 1-2 / 10ths of that

sibling

i am sorry for your loss

[plucky flax]

Is okie I will be more selective with teammates now.

[zealous wing]

that wouldve been a great yellow number round

[plucky flax]

I just picked the first 3 guys requested to join.

[jaunty current]

i think its a torchlight two

[zealous wing]

TL 2 was actually fun

[jaunty current]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-say-that-say-that-agian-marvel-fantastic-gif-12441585058103544841

[zealous wing]

i enjoyed it anyway

[jaunty current]

ive never played it

heard its good though

[zealous wing]

it was on the free weekly epic game thing during covid

[deft stump]

I know, did dual wands GLASS CANNON build.

Final boss will 1 shot me.

1 CC clear lul.

[jaunty current]

just undie

[deft stump]

Mooks on avg is 2-3 shots.

[jaunty current]

just get unkilled

[deft stump]

Based on damage my Engie took.

[severe folio]

quick question, have they allow blaze away to work with the fgs wave slash

[thorn cedar]

nope

[severe folio]

;o

fukkk

[weary crane]

I didn't know you could spam emotes in morning star, I heard an orgryn just grunting and hitting his chest lol

[strange nova]

so.... i'm trying to come up with a funny build using the new "uhoh i explode" talent

[zealous wing]

scriers gaze without warp unbound, something easy to trigger overload with like assail

probably goes best with a gunker/meleeker build type

[strange nova]

I was thinking meleeker ye

[zealous wing]

check this clip

[sturdy reef]

noty

[steel flame]

fucking incredible

[sturdy reef]

GAS GAS GAS GAS GAS

[steel flame]

got all the way to the end of a havoc and the game ctd

and it didnt let me rejoin

[sturdy reef]

its the FS way

[plucky flax]

Miss me with gas.

[sturdy reef]

2 gas mods

noty

[steel flame]

it crashed to desktop our entire party

wow