psyker-class

[plucky flax]

Ppl dont want to get error 2014 and lose a round

[sturdy reef]

bro no

I dont need those flashbacks

[plucky flax]

[sturdy reef]

I feel compelled to run shroud marty otherwise captains arent gonna die in the event

[wind spruce]

After extensive testing my meleeker/recon gunker build is this. Battle med is optional, so is warp unbound if you're weird like that and mettle if you don't like to move fast.

[plucky flax]

Why battle med with crack of bones

[tiny cove]

Yeah that feels like overkill

[sturdy reef]

DSV feels good

better dclaw than the dclaw

[weary idol]

instead of giving the dclaw reasonable buffs they just gave the dueling sword a better version of its parry lmao

[plucky flax]

Does it have any horde clear? Claw can kill trash chaffs at least

[strong gulch]

It's wait SO long for this day.

[wind spruce]

Battle med allows more back to back scriers and let's me assail more

[sturdy reef]

use assail

[tiny cove]

Which FGS do people like?

[plucky flax]

Tru

[wind spruce]

It's underrated, but also the 30th talent choice.

[tiny cove]

I've been bouncing between the two and can't decide on one

[plucky flax]

Mk6 it's op

All the pros i know use mk6

[sturdy reef]

the one with the stab

[tiny cove]

They both have the stab

Just in different places

[weary idol]

I don't use mk8 but god everyone else does

[wind spruce]

Think about it this way: if assail kills 4 enemies that's 9% peril cost and 4% peril back

[plucky flax]

Yeah but 1 you can just keep stabbing

[tiny cove]

I suppose not needing to use stam for mk6 stab is a big upside

[plucky flax]

The mk8 stab have to be through push attack it sucks

[plucky flax]

Noobs use it cos 'better horde clear'

I get it swap cancel attack is hard

[wind spruce]

The issue isn't the stam use so much as general clunkiness, peril gen @ critical and that it fucks with your slides

[strong gulch]

Yeah I prefer FGS 6.

[wind spruce]

This crushed a havoc 33 earlier

[strong gulch]

But I do promote picking "whichever moveset makes the most sense to you".

a havoc 34 crushed me ealier

i hadn't played any havocs in weeks and it showed lmao

[plucky flax]

I got crushed when 20 crushers showed up and they all pop stim and took about 100k damage each before dying

Very scary

[sturdy reef]

blue stimm is scary

so is green

[muted crane]

anyone notice that when you parry with the dueling sword you gain peril but not with the devils claw swords

[plucky flax]

Why are crushers so tanky now

[strong gulch]

Syllo posted a vid of a rager gin gas with blue stim. Super scary. Just took no damage.

[strong gulch]

Intentional

ye

[strong gulch]

because they "show up less"

[plucky flax]

[tiny cove]

noted

[sturdy reef]

wait until you fight blue stimm enemies with purple aura

[tiny cove]

I feel like I have been ignoring the pain points of this patch with melee psyker

my FGS two headshots crushers, I ignore a lot plasma gunners because of crits

[plucky flax]

I played burga bubble havoc with no mettle

The top part of the tree is hard now

[tiny cove]

Are recon las's just better of than the IAGs on Zealot right now?

[wind spruce]

Mettle is just for speed now

2.5% toughness per second is so garbage lmao

[plucky flax]

Ye my reasoning is if I'm flaming with staff anyway im already slow af so it doesn't matter

I take it for bubble knight tho for slide shooting speed boost

[summer prairie]

don't you take perfect timing though, how do you path to it

[sturdy reef]

speed helps with dodge at least

[tiny cove]

Thoughts on Shred vs Riposte?

[plucky flax]

Go down quietude, pc, bm, pt

I play bm with burga in havoc

[sturdy reef]

riposte

you run EE

[summer prairie]

I guess BM helps a bit

[sturdy reef]

you always have riposte

[tiny cove]

I was told EE doesn't work with riposte?

Like, the dodge isn't that hard to get regardless, just curious what other people have been rocking

[sturdy reef]

it works

[tiny cove]

Well then that makes the decision easy

[plucky flax]

I also take both er and warp ghost. No kd anymore

[sturdy reef]

I just take WG

no ER

[plucky flax]

Hopefully +2 stam enough to carry me in a pinch

Hmm it helps me for keep spamming burga

I can get out 2 minimum charge cast at 90% peril

[wind spruce]

I thought ER wasn't great for purga

But I never run purga

[sturdy reef]

its good for non inferno staff

no tnecesary

but good

[summer prairie]

It's good for purg in havoc but might try BM and -10% peril node instead

[pale prairie]

actually +3 cause ofthe node leading to ghost

[sturdy reef]

they are good

[fiery wigeon]

oh sweet scriers can save you like vent now

[wind spruce]

@sturdy reef do you actually reckon EE is triggering riposte very often?

[plucky flax]

Based

[sturdy reef]

yes

if you get shot with EE up

it counts as a dodge

[wind spruce]

Yes but how often is that actually happening

[sturdy reef]

with SG?

very

[wind spruce]

If you're in melee a lot of enemies are going to be blocked from shooting you

[sturdy reef]

that doesnt matter as much as long as they are targeting you

and once you get riposte procced, it helps proc EE

they feed off each other in a sense

[wind spruce]

I'm not saying EE isn't going to be up

[sturdy reef]

the uptime is pretty good in my games for riposte

[wind spruce]

But when I'm meleeing shit I'm rarely getting shot

[sturdy reef]

you'll still be dodging

[wind spruce]

Do you mean actual dodging or EE dodging

[fiery wigeon]

you should at least keep EE for now because plasma gunners exist

[sturdy reef]

both

[wind spruce]

im not saying drop EE lol

im saying that EE is rarely proccing riposte

[sturdy reef]

he aint saying that

[fiery wigeon]

ah

[wind spruce]

riposte is proccing from dodges and slides

but youre actually not phasing through fuck all ranged attacks when you're in melee

[fiery wigeon]

i mean normal dodging should be happening enough in melee that uptime is 100% when it matters anyways

its hard for EE to proc it more when its already so lenient

[wind spruce]

yeah

[mental mist]

Are assail projectiles affected by cleave?

[sturdy reef]

yes

[weary idol]

then rotten armor spawns them and they have legit what feels like 20K effective HP

swinging at them for longer than I have to for monstrosities 💀

[summer prairie]

Rotten + green stimms for double hp

[gray juniper]

I didn’t know all the stim types are in one match wew

And you have the peons shooting it up too

[weary idol]

tbh rotten armor and the massive HP buff to crushers combined is kinda bad for weapon variety

especially with the 21st around as well

[gray juniper]

Rotten armor and stims

[weary idol]

you kind of have to use the meta melees to even be able to kill that much girth

[glacial vapor]

I'm going to be honest. I dislike this part of the tree. Feels like borderline tax nodes for some builds

[gray juniper]

Psyker cc plus zealot hammer play helped a lot in last match

[grizzled river]

whats a decnt build since the rework?

[wind spruce]

yeah all those non-soulblaze, non melee, non-primary staff attack, non-warp and reg damage using and non-cleaving builds

[gray juniper]

True. Hardest part to get through

[wind spruce]

what builds dont benefit heavily from it

[glacial vapor]

So EK and rending VB

[wind spruce]

bubble staff i suppose

[wind spruce]

you want shriek with those anyway

so soul drinker and wildfire are gud

[glacial vapor]

Best choices but I would skip them if I had a choice

[steel flame]

i give up, im going to fucking bed, i just got telepathically overheaded by a mauler up a ledge behind me

cant win now, all the maulers are turning into telekinetics

[wind spruce]

btw souldrinker is pretty much an autopick if you have a sibling who is using inferno or blaze trauma

because their soulblaze kills will trigger your souldrinker

[gray juniper]

That’s the hard part is trying to make legit no soul blaze or add some spice to gunker in just that portion

[wind spruce]

even if theyre hundreds of meters from you

[gray juniper]

It’s definitely not worth complaining about but the most meh part of the tree

[glacial vapor]

Oh I'm going to complain

My complaints will be unending

[wind spruce]

you could also take MM

its basically +20% melee damage if youre primarily using staff

helps with muties etc

[glacial vapor]

Maybe Loner was right, the imperium must burn

[steel flame]

@wind spruce had an exceedingly fun soulblaze GS game this afternoon, also i swapped crack of bone for perfect timing

[wind spruce]

sorry 25% lel

[wind spruce]

ive been taxeing

its so good

[wind spruce]

havoc?

[steel flame]

ye

27

taxeing?

wot?

[sturdy reef]

tac axe

its goated

[wind spruce]

tactical axe = taxe

[sturdy reef]

not on carapace unfortunately

[steel flame]

i hate you please stop

[sturdy reef]

but it shits on basically everything else

[fiery wigeon]

everything shits on everything but carapace tbh

[wind spruce]

what do you run on your taxe r3msky

perks/blessings/mark

[gray juniper]

Ok noted so I can take drinker and primary shot damage node

[sturdy reef]

mk4 best for cara but I prefer MK7

usually headtaker and Bromenteum/decimator

[gray juniper]

MM has become central to a lot of my builds now

[sturdy reef]

it is a good node

[fiery wigeon]

malefic is super good now that we're allowed to use assail

[wind spruce]

yeah i prefer mk7 too. been using headtaker/bromentum/flak/unarmoured

[sturdy reef]

I usually roll maniac/flak

because I fucking hate mutants in H40

[gray juniper]

Thunder hammer has no weakness

[fiery wigeon]

thammer beloved

[wind spruce]

understandable

what arguments do you have for deci?

[fiery wigeon]

thammers weakness is the anti carapace attack takes 3 years to wind up

[sturdy reef]

Ive seen some people run it for the single target

Im not completely sold on it

I feel like I lose safety because the horde clear is worse

[worthy goblet]

Did they add cleave to Thammers charge or something? I thought it's weakness was cara spam (i.e you can only kill a crusher everyone second or so)?

[gray juniper]

It’s the slow crowd control for me

[sturdy reef]

you cant cleave thru cara anyway

thammer is better because crushers and maulers got beefier

[wind spruce]

yeah pretty much same

plus its so easy to whiff with taxe

[worthy goblet]

Ah fair. And did the attack speed increases make the charge/wind up faster too?

[wind spruce]

and my fps lol

[sturdy reef]

the thing shits out attacks

[fiery wigeon]

i mean DS chews through them faster but its DS

[sturdy reef]

I feel like my lmb will break if I run taxe on marty zealot now

[wind spruce]

literally dont see the L2 a good % of the time

[gray juniper]

Yes if you’re playing zealot and the level of havoc is questionable, bring hammer. I’ll be glad to do crowd control for you

[fiery wigeon]

crucis thammer is a solid all-rounder

[wind spruce]

its disconcerting

[fiery wigeon]

whats this new bistol pattern

[fierce crest]

big aoe

less ammo

[gray juniper]

My guy, it boosts staff output too btw

[fiery wigeon]

i havent used a staff in ages

forget they exist

[fiery wigeon]

ooh

splody

[gray juniper]

I preach staff a lot in here BUT I do use all weapon types

I’ll run non meta on gunker too

[fiery wigeon]

i prefer using assail and scriers melee for most things and pulling out the gun for burst damage

gunning down bosses with vraks ag never gets old

[gray juniper]

But that’s why MM used to be under the gunker tree

Split between all three and you’re like always attacking

Gunkers worst nightmare is a long hallway with nothing to kill

[fiery wigeon]

i mean i couldnt take assail before because psykinetics moment so now i get to do that cuz assail doesnt lock me out of a mandatory node

[fiery wigeon]

REAL

rip my DD stacks

[gray juniper]

But you get them back so easy imo

[sinful peak]

is warp splitting needed with bromentum

[gray juniper]

I’m trying gunker specifically avoiding DD

[wraith sphinx]

gunker without dd feels mid

[fiery wigeon]

but everything else is so significantly worse

[proper osprey]

warp splitting is for assail

[fiery wigeon]

dd is so much of your damage

[gray juniper]

It kinda does but shhh let me play with this

No speed to run to next victim is the hardest hit not using DD

[fiery wigeon]

warp splitting is really nice if youre swapping back and forth between assail and melee in a swarm

[proper osprey]

so take bm

[weary idol]

okay maybe gun psyker got buffed a little bit

[wraith sphinx]

just a smidge yeah

[proper osprey]

also what weapon?

[gray juniper]

Idk I had a auric trial run yesterday without DD and the kill feed was basically me

[sinful peak]

rashad

[wraith sphinx]

also speaking of aggressively mid I am very dissapointed in the new bistol mark

[proper osprey]

on psyker?

[weary idol]

I like it

[sinful peak]

ya

[proper osprey]

[weary idol]

bistol damage was already disappointing what's a little less for the utility and stagger

[sinful peak]

what;s, wrong with it

[proper osprey]

you should try tac axe

[fiery wigeon]

its not like its nonfunctional or anything scriers is still stupid but warp siphon just cannot compare

[wraith sphinx]

I wish the bleed blessing worked with the explosion

[proper osprey]

nothing its good

[oak gale]

haven't played since last tree rework, what's the play

[weary idol]

yeah but also like that

[fiery wigeon]

its fgs all over again

[proper osprey]

just needs attack speed

[weary idol]

shoot a bulwark instantly shield out of the way

huge explosion staggers everything around it so you can kill it for free

[proper osprey]

what staff or melee

[fiery wigeon]

crowd control gun is wild

[sinful peak]

yeah that's why I asked if splitting is necessary, thinking of swapping it with lighting speed

[wraith sphinx]

I viscerally hate doing that

I'd rather stop what I'm doing and bb a bulwark

[oak gale]

purg or FGS-focused

[proper osprey]

oohhhh here one sec

[wind spruce]

especially now that perfectionism is so consistent

[wraith sphinx]

or just yknow wait for someone else to aggro it

[proper osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-evil-smirk-crop-gif-25562144

[gray juniper]

Probably valid point. I did something like base keystone of siphon and a bastardization of the other keystone trees

[proper osprey]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e81f1c9-3b63-4dc3-809b-9aee0aef4d51/evil-hatchetmancer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button @oak gale @sinful peak

[weary idol]

yeah the targeting fix is huge perfectionism value

[proper osprey]

try this

[weary idol]

because that's what right tree psyker needed

more damage

[wraith sphinx]

I love the evil hatchetmancer

[fiery wigeon]

i luv me some damg

[wraith sphinx]

taxe time...

[gray juniper]

Base warp charges is enough to run scriers non stop until it’s folding in on itself, so idea was to keep gazing forever and just 100% the whole match

[proper osprey]

fgs stuff is in description

[sturdy reef]

Im taxing

[gray juniper]

So I took warp rider

[proper osprey]

where is your mk7 son

[wraith sphinx]

in the walls

[sturdy reef]

Need to fill out a form MK7

[proper osprey]

tac axe cult grows......

[sinful peak]

basically my build but I have soulstealer and ranged damage boost instead of just a dream and lighting speed

[wraith sphinx]

I've been a taxe fanatic for months now

[proper osprey]

id really get those

[wraith sphinx]

also lol can't even change the mark, gg fatshark

[proper osprey]

you make me so proud

[wraith sphinx]

HELLO??

[wind spruce]

Try this

There's one point spare

[proper osprey]

do flak instead of maniac

[proper osprey]

i tried IF but didnt like it, and warp ghost too good to pass up

[wind spruce]

I'm not convinced it is worth on gunker now

[proper osprey]

and i wuv my 10 secs of dd

[proper osprey]

on gunker prob not

[wind spruce]

Trust me you don't need it, you'll get to 25 in combat anyway and those 10 extra stacks take 50s to decay

[gray juniper]

Wait. Explain what this means. Was there an improvement of DD target choice or something else?

[proper osprey]

hmmmmm

[wraith sphinx]

I don't really use flak perk often because flak enemy ttk is never really a problem for me

[weary idol]

you know how sometimes DD just gave up and didn't target a new enemy for like 10 seconds?

doesn't do that anymore

it always targets a new enemy if there is a valid one

[wraith sphinx]

as opposed to mutants and dreg ragers that make pubs fold like paper towels

[proper osprey]

[weary idol]

mutants do be making me fold sometimes though

since they recently got a durability increase

and I expect their 4000 HP ass to die and they just don't

[wraith sphinx]

mhm

[sinful peak]

what does tac axe do better than rashad

[weary idol]

swings faster

staggers better

faster dodges

[wraith sphinx]

doesn't take 5 buisness days to swing

[weary idol]

worse at armor

[gray juniper]

Ok I’m using DD again

[wind spruce]

And moves faster

[wraith sphinx]

truth be told I never use rashad or caxes in general except on my veteran

[weary idol]

I use caxe martrydom zealot on the rare occasion I play them

[wind spruce]

Rashad is glacial on psyker

[sinful peak]

i can feel the carpal tunnel just testing this thing

[devout belfry]

The zoomy build is amazing.

I have never moved so fast.

[wraith sphinx]

carpal tunnel from taxe? ok watch this

[devout belfry]

⏫

[devout belfry]

You say that but tac axe only hurts because we click harder.

[wraith sphinx]

maybe

I try to space out lmb spam with specials to prevent too much repetitive motions at once

[devout belfry]

I recoreded my gremlin ass destroying my mouse. Less clicks more dmg.

Well look at you with all that fancy imperial training.

[wraith sphinx]

[devout belfry]

Went did they make that emote LOL

[wraith sphinx]

no clue lmao

[devout belfry]

11/10

My roomie was asking why I'm caughing after a soda loop error

[wraith sphinx]

for all intents and purposes I really am just a right tree veteran that knows a couple party tricks

[wind spruce]

No they are right side psyker without the party tricks

[wraith sphinx]

🤔 perhaps

[devout belfry]

Veterans turning tricks you say 🤔

HERESY

ABOUNDS

[wind spruce]

Vets are too emotionally fragile for that

[wraith sphinx]

true

damn, execution order reference

[devout belfry]

Thats a gendyl 41 piper.

Or a smegma 69 alpha?

I can't remember these call signs.

[wind spruce]

I have no idea what those mean

[devout belfry]

:smokes:

[wraith sphinx]

it's shrigma thrax prime

[wraith sphinx]

it's veteran's military codes

[wind spruce]

Oh right

Yeah I don't speak bootlicker, soz

[wraith sphinx]

fair

[devout belfry]

Wrong millenium.

Sounds... Tau'ey

[gray juniper]

There we go. Let’s hear the hot takes

[wind spruce]

No warp splitting is yikes

Perfectionism without cruel fortune is yikes

[devout belfry]

I see you like to go fast.

If you stack all the nodes and auras you're slower when slide canceling now. It's wild.

[gray juniper]

Yea I don’t usually take perfect over lingering so hit me with another take

[devout belfry]

Shards are like sharts. Everyone has them but no one should be doing it in public.

[pale prairie]

is this gunker or meleeker?

[wind spruce]

Souldrinker with just pc is questionable.

Pc by itself below havoc is questionable

[pale prairie]

Mind in Motion

huh

[wraith sphinx]

oh I just noticed these, cool

[devout belfry]

Fancy words.

[wind spruce]

Melee/recon las build. There is no hot takes on it because it's perfect

And has a spare point

[pale prairie]

By Crack of Bone? Would love to know the effectiveness of warprider considering that

[devout belfry]

I thought it was a Universal Studio photo...

[proper osprey]

crit

[pale prairie]

just quell everything I guess. I mean no warprider so I respect that at least. But how often is Warpsplitting helping?

[wind spruce]

Every single time you use assail or melee hordes

[wraith sphinx]

I play on lowest settings

[devout belfry]

The most interesting part of this rework is the 3 ways of handling your warpies.

[gray juniper]

Souls drinker is solely for the crit

[wind spruce]

Warpsplitting is basically mandatory for assail

[proper osprey]

the slop build

[pale prairie]

Itt was a joke about your peril being very low because bullets quell AND sword hits quell

[devout belfry]

Constantly mitigating at the lowest, ignoring it and staying high for melee, or up and down.

[gray juniper]

Melee heavy but I switched staff and gun into it a few times

[pale prairie]

I know how Warpsplitting works

[proper osprey]

its all it needs

[wind spruce]

Oh right haha

[devout belfry]

I really like the new builds.

[pale prairie]

okay so bullets quell but no true aim? clearly you plan to shoot

[gray juniper]

Sorry, but you can’t approach the grown ups table without asking permission little axe enjoyer [pats head]

[devout belfry]

But I like the move speed build most - because it's rediculous. FatShark once again was confused by multiplicative vs aditive and how math works.

[wind spruce]

What if I told you I use that spare point on battle med

[pale prairie]

I would say

https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-sigh-whatever-not-surprised-gif-8902682490594901346

[gray juniper]

Oh shit. Warp rider was a mistake. Muscle memory

[pale prairie]

I can see from your build that you are SG quelling maxing

[wind spruce]

You say that but when my assail kills 4 enemies that's 4% peril back and the assails only cost 9%

[gray juniper]

If I’m not going to use assail a lot what would you change on recommendation

[wind spruce]

Battle med is gud

[devout belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[proper osprey]

it has better finesse, crit, dodges, attack speed, and more utility than rashad

[devout belfry]

Proc stuff like a machine gun.

[pale prairie]

its 10% chance per enemy kill so you just lucked out alot on those 4 enemies?

[wind spruce]

Damage resist. Warp expenditure.

[wind spruce]

It's an average

[proper osprey]

also what happend to domshizzel

[gray juniper]

Yea warp exp a good idea

[wind spruce]

It averages 1% per kill

[gray juniper]

Idk I’m kinda sad

[devout belfry]

With arbites the tac axe is funny thanks to the cleave modifier. So you get more headshots to proc cleave for more headshots to... it loops.

[pale prairie]

The predictable comment is more about at least you have a clear goal: QUELL PERIL

[proper osprey]

[pale prairie]

there is cohesiveness

[proper osprey]

my axe solos

[devout belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/axe-axe-you-can-i-axe-you-something-gif-3854550601263507142

[wind spruce]

Yeah pretty much. The aim is to spend as much time in scriers as possible.

[pale prairie]

EXCEPT for One with the Warp.......

[wind spruce]

It cycles right back into itself bc of the PA changes

[pale prairie]

but I guess at the end of SG you have max DR

[wind spruce]

Defence maxing

[pale prairie]

you just pop SG again once it is off cooldown?

[wind spruce]

Yes

[quartz flare]

Greatsword build all damage no defence.

[devout belfry]

People over here glazing warp ghost.

[wind spruce]

Usually before warp unbound is half up

[pale prairie]

Yeah i know that but BCoB can drop you to 0 perill in a handful of kills especially with BM

[devout belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-what-huh-gif-14026649281713077235

[proper osprey]

its good

[sullen bobcat]

"no defense"
Runs half the toughness perks

[devout belfry]

Yes, but not ALWAYS

[pale prairie]

glazing a really good talent? yes

[wind spruce]

Yeah but it goes up again soon enough, especially with assail weave

It's one of the weaker talents, though

[pale prairie]

People overe here trying to sound Edgey by NOT glazing warp ghost......

[proper osprey]

no need for Battle med or warp speed

[devout belfry]

I think we can all be very happy with the new tree.

[proper osprey]

or middle dd node

[devout belfry]

We have builds again brothers/sisters!

[wind spruce]

I glaze it for staffs

[gray juniper]

Also btw this. Do you have no faith in me?! Everyone gets the business when I meleeker. I don’t need those sorry ass weak spots trying to help me

[devout belfry]

Seriously, if you haven't stacked all the move speed modifiers please do it. Be a child again and enjoy.

[gray juniper]

(You’re probably right btw but I’m not a high achiever that aims for whole 25 stacks)

[pale prairie]

the assail weave that costs 9 peril per 4 shards or so by your math?

[devout belfry]

Your exhausted stamina sprint is 2x higher than everyone else lol

[quartz flare]

BM understood but why no zoomie?

[wind spruce]

Touche

But scriers is also active remember

[proper osprey]

no need, dd and mettle will give you all you need

[gray juniper]

Everyone is judgemental until they’re circling a bulwark at Mach 3 and hitting his weakspot every time

[pale prairie]

True aim would be so good on those assail weavess........

[quartz flare]

But....Gotta go fast..

[proper osprey]

i know......

[wind spruce]

Pre-nerf I would never have dropped it

[devout belfry]

I sidestepped so hard I clipped through the wall 🙁

[novel yoke]

I only remember mettle and defy destiny giving movement speed, is there another Im missing?

[devout belfry]

And the stairs.

[wind spruce]

But now... meh. And I'm not good enough at clicking heads with guns for it to be worth fuck all there

[pale prairie]

your melee can build stacks for your assail and if you are weaving.....

[devout belfry]

Good luck. I'm like 2 energy drinks deep and keeping up with the knife/rapier side step at max replaces the powerpoint every sidestep.

[wind spruce]

Yeah but if you're already at ~40% crit chance anyway and you're weaving two assails each time

[proper osprey]

i love toughness guh

[wind spruce]

I love not burning 3 talents for it

[proper osprey]

i wanted to run it with essence harvest

[proper osprey]

das more damage

[pale prairie]

It IS cool that the tree is allowing actual build diversity. though I do hope they do some passes over the old talents that are unchanged a la the Zealot total rebuild

[proper osprey]

more damage and stamina son

and toughness

[pale prairie]

Yeah but how often you really blocking? JK without the +3 stamina from warp ghost route it makes sense to keep KD

[proper osprey]

warp ghost makes it so i can take 3 toughness instead of a 3 stam

[quartz flare]

The builds feel strong. But I just wish there were more interacting synergies with many nodes.

[devout belfry]

Make sure you don't overstack nodes in the same bracket.

[proper osprey]

what are you trying to build?

[devout belfry]

At 10 in one is worth a 50 in others.

[quartz flare]

Currently Phyker has the least nodes to a margin.

[devout belfry]

You say that but we got a damage reduction node!

[pale prairie]

Yeah that’s a result of the tree being better organized but half the talents being carryovers

[devout belfry]

Not health, not toughness... straight dmg!

_>

<_<

It works as described.

[pale prairie]

Need more

Damage

[gray juniper]

Actually I don’t think warp rider was a mistake

[pale prairie]

Give glass cannon

[devout belfry]

All stab no durability?

[gray juniper]

I was messing around with staff and gun late night and trying to see how using gaze as my quelling method while going full tilt forward would handle

[pale prairie]

Look if you’re all in on quelling peril at least commit like Irosk

[devout belfry]

You hit a one hit breakpoint on bulwarks lol

[pale prairie]

Mmmmm the old days

[devout belfry]

🤤

[gray juniper]

No manual quell game play

[devout belfry]

We're back with crit btw.

[pale prairie]

Right console and buttons

[gray juniper]

Lmao

[devout belfry]

Manual?!

[novel yoke]

bros do I skip taking psykinetic's aura? since I heard it aint so great anymore

[pale prairie]

Wait a minute WHY DO YOU HAVE MIND IN MOTION THEN

[quartz flare]

Want to build a scrier electro staff build. Already have one that's strong enough but there are just other nodes I can't reach that would optimize it so much moer.

[wind spruce]

More than you'd think because I play hyper aggressive and will often snipe stuff off while in melee range of enemies then quick swap, block for a split second, dodge, swing

[devout belfry]

yer

[gray juniper]

I made this trying to remember what I made not actually what I made 😇

[proper osprey]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e81f1c9-3b63-4dc3-809b-9aee0aef4d51/evil-hatchetmancer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button check discrip

[wind spruce]

Wtf no

[devout belfry]

That said - the new tree is so much fun. We have zoomies, stabs, chungus, toast, and some combinations.

[wind spruce]

It's ridiculously good

[devout belfry]

Don't involve Beerus.

[proper osprey]

u r not a knower....

[pale prairie]

Maybe a few seconds less cooldown than old one into a pack of elites but way more consistent

[devout belfry]

I am confused.

[novel yoke]

aight thanks

[devout belfry]

And judging by your tone I'd like to keep it that way.

[summer prairie]

I think it's more cooldown overall, but might be due to there being more elites/specials or better KF

[devout belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/beerus-cosplay-gif-26620492

[pale prairie]

Also flex on those blunts who don’t get any cooldown from you no more

[summer prairie]

I shrieked 160 times in a round recently and don't recall reaching quite that high before, but not like I check every round

[pale prairie]

That’s the consistency over the occasional peaks.

[quartz flare]

thx

[wind spruce]

@pale prairie btw with the whole quell maxxing vs one with the warp thing, when you're legit dropping peril down to almost 0 with BCoB, that tends not to be when shits hitting the fan in terms of taking hits. as soon as i am in danger my peril will skyrocket because i cant just spam melee into goobers and have to play defensive which means scriers and/or assail taking me rapidly back up

(still very cuttable though)

[wraith sphinx]

we do a little trolling

[pale prairie]

Mmmmmm I dunno about that cause I personally feel the big danger moments are usually related to dense melee horde danger. (Plasma gunners are an exception)

[quartz flare]

But now I can't reach Empyric Resolve/Penetration of the Soul

[wind spruce]

the goobers are there but im not free to cleave them down

[proper osprey]

dont need them

[wind spruce]

im targetting heavy armour, etc

[summer prairie]

Old psykinetic was only 1.2s per kill, now it's 3s. You've to kill more than 2 elites every 3 seconds for the old one to be better

[quartz flare]

Have time to eplain it for me?

[proper osprey]

what class

[wraith sphinx]

they played arby and were upset we plopped down medi and ammo kits out on the open floor on aegis station finale

[fierce crest]

its gotta still be arby

no way the nerfs are that bad

[summer prairie]

they need to change it to something like 50-75% increased cooldown regeneration or make it elites only or increase shriek base cooldown

[wind spruce]

you would've had to kill 10 per combat ability base, 9 with seer's, like 5 with max WS

[wraith sphinx]

auric wit da event

[pale prairie]

But if you are hitting melee weak spots uh oh you are quelling and reducing your DR when you would need it most. And even with Scriers on you are at first quelling a shit ton to 0 probably and then spending a decent time at low peril until the SG ramps up high enough. Unless of course you just sit in the pack and hold block with out attacking.

I guess in that scenario KD blocking would synergise with OWtW

[proper osprey]

you dont want your toughness nerfed by ER, POTS is nice but has a tax that can be put else where for better use

[pale prairie]

Yeah I think leaving it alone and touching base cooldowns on abilities would be best

[proper osprey]

and its peril based

[wraith sphinx]

oh shit my arbites trees reset as well? wut dahell

[wind spruce]

its melee weakspot kills not just hits though

[wind spruce]

also i spend fuck all time at low peril

[pale prairie]

Sooooooo hit the horde but don’t kill it? Thats a strategy I guess

[summer prairie]

But if you touch the base cooldowns, you are just forcing everyone to take psykinetic

[devout belfry]

Have you guys tried the new modifers in the psykhanium?

[quartz flare]

But wouldn't warp Ghost negate the nerf?

[pale prairie]

Or specifically aim for not weakspots

[devout belfry]

Nay.

[wind spruce]

you cant cleave through the horde if youre aiming at the crusher/bulwark/mauler

[wraith sphinx]

you mean the mortis trials indulgences?

[devout belfry]

It helps but it's in a diff bracket for modifers.

[devout belfry]

Yes.

[proper osprey]

just a dream, gaze, and OWTW all mix together so well

[wraith sphinx]

both are fun I like both

[pale prairie]

You’re telling me there aren’t moments below 50 with that much quelling potential and using SG that quells 50% on activation?

[wind spruce]

moments

literally moments

not a significant amount of time

[devout belfry]

I hate waiting for the mortis to scale up but I had fun getting completely shitcanned by 4 ogryns in a corner and not dying lol

[proper osprey]

yeah but still taxed, the points can be put elsewhere for better use

[devout belfry]

Everyone was dead and forced to watch me rapier parry/cry.

[pale prairie]

I tell you what…I have died in moments in this game hahaha

[summer prairie]

You can use Uptime to know exactly how much time you spend at specific peril brackets

[devout belfry]

You can force it now.

[quartz flare]

Undersdtood thx for the explanation.

[wind spruce]

legend

[proper osprey]

[pale prairie]

Wot?

[devout belfry]

You have the ability, and never before. to control your median with peril.

[fierce crest]

recon las in this build?

[devout belfry]

With the new nodes and the weapons you choose.

I think that's the core of how you build now tbh.

[summer prairie]

ok well you can use Uptime depending on your weapon, blessings and talents

[proper osprey]

you can use it

[pale prairie]

So aim at those big tanky tough guys but don’t hit weakspot? Cause the weakspot kill would drop your DR

[wraith sphinx]

I assume that is a mod? Is it on nexus?

[fierce crest]

just worse than laspistol?

[proper osprey]

what i pull off with it

[quartz flare]

OOH BIG NUMBERS

[wind spruce]

right so id need a relevant blessing like UP

[proper osprey]

i use revolver

[wind spruce]

which is also only active while my melee is out, right?

[pale prairie]

Yeah I know and I am saying median outside of near end of SG would be below a useful threshold for OWtW

[proper osprey]

big numbers less damage taken

[gray juniper]

Sorry for being annoying @pale prairie I deleted the build to have things in certain order and can’t remember what I made

[devout belfry]

If you haven't done run and gun with zoomie and disrupt/scriers.

[wind spruce]

that comment was just about Uptime

[devout belfry]

With a laz.

It's silly.

[wind spruce]

so i can show how little time i actually spend at low peril

[proper osprey]

[pale prairie]

Not annoying this is build discussion. What the whole discord chat is about

[devout belfry]

owtw? Sorry, I have trouble following the names across localizations.

[wind spruce]

this is the shit we live for

[proper osprey]

ask away lol

[wind spruce]

its more enjoyable than actually playing the game tbh

[proper osprey]

i do it all the time

[gray juniper]

Damn I gotta play more games to figure out what I made

[devout belfry]

The psyker tree is so misleading.

[wraith sphinx]

is it??

[summer prairie]

Here's one round with Unstable Power. SG/FGS/recon/assail

[devout belfry]

We have access to so many nodes that sound multiplicative/additive and sound like they're not. And FatShark also codes half them wrong.

[pale prairie]

Irosk has pretty much every quelling talent in his build. So much so he dropped warp rider. I then was wondering how much use he got out of the talent that increased toughness DR based on Peril

One with the warp

[devout belfry]

And the worlds most broken node finally works and is still the worst node in the game.

[fierce crest]

one with the warp

left side above abilities

[devout belfry]

The scaling tdr node with peril?

[pale prairie]

In a way it is. I still like playing with people more than arguing over talents

[devout belfry]

A must have.

[wind spruce]

tbf its only partly justified by my quell maxxing. my issue with warp rider is the travel tax

[pale prairie]

BUT is it a must have if you spend an arguable time below 80% peril?

[wraith sphinx]

the description says this, does it also record the time you, for example, use combat knife heavy attacks to move around?

[devout belfry]

Yes, 10 percent is free unless you're using a melee non quelling build which generally operatges at high peril and ignores it?

[summer prairie]

I don't know, but in havoc at least you spend almost the whole game in combat

[proper osprey]

i think minmaxing peril is too much of a hassle for little reward

its why i like melee psyker

[pale prairie]

Sure 10% TDR at 0 BUT as you said earlier there’s ALOT of good talents on this tree

[near wyvern]

With peril either you make a build where you are always edging or you make a build where you don't care what % you have as long as you are not blowing up

[devout belfry]

I agree but the competition isn't scarce at the roots or nodes anymore.

Just pick.

[proper osprey]

yeah but i believe they will both yield the same results

[devout belfry]

3 choices. No peril where you mitigate. Max peril where you don't care and stab. And up and down... and generally use a staff.

[wind spruce]

not with staffs

[devout belfry]

Oh my no.

[wind spruce]

20% crit go brrrrrrrrrr

[devout belfry]

The new nodes are particularly designed to make you wrong.

[proper osprey]

i mean vent purg i can understand are you meaning it like that?

[devout belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237

[near wyvern]

Depends a lot of weapon choices. I.e. if you do a Voidstrike it's piss easy to edge pretty much all the time. There is a lot of difference if you pick warp rider (talent) and warp nexus (blessing) for such a setup.

[pale prairie]

Part of building is making sure that the parts of it are a cohesive whole. I wouldn’t grab Wildfire or Souldrinker on a tac axe build and I wouldn’t grab tranquility through slaughter on a staff build.

I am questioning something that seems out of place with the theme of a build

[quartz flare]

Is -% peril generation nodes useful on staff builds?

[wind spruce]

teach me how to pump nexus above 20% PLS

[proper osprey]

gaze

[devout belfry]

I agree fully. You sounded a little devils advocate-ey for a sec.

[proper osprey]

[devout belfry]

You don't. But you and all the auras stack and pump.

[wind spruce]

its a reasonable critique

[proper osprey]

depends

[pale prairie]

It’s much more polite and constructive to ask someone to explain their own logic behind a talent choice than to just go:

“this pick dumb you are noob and I would never grab that because it is ass. Lmao lmao”

[devout belfry]

Completely. I think psyker has to sacrifice more than ever. But the gains are free real estate.

[near wyvern]

Not really. It is a node you use for EP smite and often you pair that with electro staff. You don't really pick it for that staff but it also doesn't hurt it. LMB on electro is dakka.

[pale prairie]

Hey if it works it works. I would probably grab it anyway for the 10% DR at 0 peril

[proper osprey]

the only one i nab is the warp shipon one i think

on inferno

[devout belfry]

Usually. But sometimes yoou get people that played two major patches ago and talk like it's still gospel.

[acoustic jacinth]

Not really imo, if anything building peril quicker is nice. For example with my EK, i quell to 70% peril -> 2x M2 -> repeat. This way i usually end up with ~37.50% crit chance on avg

[wind spruce]

and having 33% when dream and scriers both deactivate is important

[pale prairie]

Sure I guess. But I was talking about a current build Irosk posted not about how it used to work

[proper osprey]

zealot chat is like that sometimes lol

[devout belfry]

I am not sure about the context anymore. Chat has moved a lot and I'm sure our perspectives on what we were all trying to describe did too.

[wind spruce]

otherwise you're left with just 10% from immaterial YUCK

[pale prairie]

Arguably the 20% free TDR built Into Scriers gives you the breathing room to ramp up in your “vulnerable” moments at low peril

[acoustic jacinth]

Can SG ever outperform shriek staff psyker this patch? Even with the recent changes i always see the SB doing more damage overall regardless of how much warp unbound spam you may do

[devout belfry]

I can not emphasize how important it is to grab the damage reduction node.

Not the tdr, not the hdr, the straight dmg.

[proper osprey]

it could before lol

[devout belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-delonge-blink182-wtf-meme-what-the-heck-first-date-gif-25383351

[proper osprey]

now it def can

[pale prairie]

But which one?

There’s two

[wind spruce]

infinite cleave aoe is still infinite cleave aoe

it'll always be busted

[devout belfry]

Wait, really?

[proper osprey]

lilth was inferno psyker

i was tac axe psyker

[pale prairie]

Just a Dream and immaterial focus

[devout belfry]

What is your build? That's a lot of relative blocking?

[proper osprey]

i posted it like 3 times

[upper sun]

whats your build

[acoustic jacinth]

I still feel like at a certain point it ends up beng different. Think of yourself with EK, since i mentioned it before. Pack of maulers. With SG you're gonna have to spam away one at a time until they die. With shriek you can put them in 1 tap territory with a use of your ability. Mix that with how back you get it quick now due to mandatory warp battery...

[devout belfry]

Oh, just a dream isn't the same dr. It's doing some wacky bs though.

[proper osprey]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e81f1c9-3b63-4dc3-809b-9aee0aef4d51/evil-hatchetmancer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[pale prairie]

Wait you have a build? I thought you were playing talentless

[upper sun]

was that your build?

[proper osprey]

another one

[pale prairie]

It’s damage reduction before regular DR and applies to both toughness and health

[proper osprey]

[devout belfry]

Yes, but it isn't a linear transformation. It's enhanced by both in an odd way.

[upper sun]

just a dream is bad

[proper osprey]

how

[pale prairie]

It’s still….DR

Not toughness or health related

[upper sun]

just dont get hit noob

[devout belfry]

Let's play. Is the reduction before or after you toughness dr?

Or is it before and fed into it?

[proper osprey]

i dont cuz its just a dream

[upper sun]

if you are in a situation where u get hit chances are your peril is too high to do anything

[proper osprey]

it never hit me

[upper sun]

hits u

[proper osprey]

just a dream

[summer prairie]

Why are we making stuff up about Just a Dream

[upper sun]

damn..........

[proper osprey]

never hapen

[devout belfry]

I mean, I get that but the other is a global top modifer.

[pale prairie]

Would love a solid explanation of it. If you have it

[summer prairie]

Just a Dream is the same multiplier as other DR

it functions exactly the same, except for the activation condition

[pale prairie]

Okay so it is just DR

[devout belfry]

((x * 1.2) (y)q)

[summer prairie]

+10% DR from Immaterial focus is the same as Just a dream

[devout belfry]

For example.

The y and q are multiplicative but one has the potential for more impact.

Expecially when x or y and be blown ass wide for all these in bracket modifers.

[pale prairie]

Look you said the DR node is good and should be grabbed and all I was pointing out is that there are two of them

[devout belfry]

Yes, but one is the q and the other is a part of the y.

[summer prairie]

What

[pale prairie]

Where are you getting that assertion?

[devout belfry]

It just hits way harder even if the percents were the same.

[pale prairie]

You have code to present?

[devout belfry]

The game's event language is not a compiled language.

[pale prairie]

Soooooo what are you basing your assertion on?

[wind spruce]

It's multiplicative just like another source of TDR

[devout belfry]

It's in Lua. You can view all of it.

[pale prairie]

Can you point or share it from GitHub?

[pale prairie]

Cause I would love to see where the Immaterial focus applies before Just a Dream. (That’s what you’re saying right??)

[summer prairie]

it doesn't matter what the order is as they are both multiplicative

[devout belfry]

Which when resolved is placed back inside the main formula.

[summer prairie]

Of course, just like other DR

I just took 90 damage with Just a Dream and 81 with Just a Dream+Immaterial focus

[devout belfry]

Lets make a visual.
(ab)(zx)(g)

z = R*Q

[summer prairie]

that's nice, but it works like I said

[devout belfry]

What us muliplicative?

[summer prairie]

all DR

[pale prairie]

Wow where is this from

[wind spruce]

my basement

[pale prairie]

Fucking peak basement

[devout belfry]

Drop the data on me.

I'm more than willing to eat ass if I am full of shit.

[summer prairie]

You also get the full benefit from Just a Dream even if you are at 96.99% peril

[devout belfry]

GIVE ME THE POWAAA

I also don't think that sheet is relevant to what I'm talking about.

I mean, tangentially.

[wind spruce]

theres no data to drop, all the values are there

[devout belfry]

So I had a moment to look at it. Is this some kind of tautology colorcoded nightmare? Even if the conclusion i right - this is fucky.

So you have a var table where you define the formulas.

[wind spruce]

the colours are chosen to make autists angry

[devout belfry]

And color code the background based on a column already present.

[pale prairie]

Did you have a table/chart to help decide that too? Crowded basement

[devout belfry]

Where did you get the "variables"

[summer prairie]

It's just testing of damage taken with different talent setups

[wind spruce]

bruh the variables are different talent groupings

did u want me to list what those talents do?

[summer prairie]

there's no math, just data

[devout belfry]

You... do know that the relationship doesn't look like that at all, right?

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-second-child-there-are-two-of-them-getting-out-of-hand-gif-16342964

[devout belfry]

They're actually almost stupidly complex thanks to fatshark.

[summer prairie]

damage taken is very straightforward

[wind spruce]

i could add the math that confirms the data collected matches up to what is expected for the variables being multiplicative

[devout belfry]

With the health modifier being reinsterted into several parts...

[wind spruce]

but no

[summer prairie]

And the only slightly complicated part of Just a dream is "converting" the damage into peril. You could cut out the conversion part and Just a dream would still provide the same amount of DR

[devout belfry]

All I have realized is that no one realized how absurdly coimplex the dt dmg formula is.

It doesn't need to be but it is.

[wind spruce]

its not complicated at all lmao

[summer prairie]

player damage calculation is complex yes, damage taken no

[devout belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/arms-wide-open-parker-mccollum-handle-on-you-song-outstretched-arms-open-arms-gif-4050047577086926131

[wind spruce]

its literally just damage * 100-the percent damage resist * repeat

[devout belfry]

Damage dealt.

[wind spruce]

eg 84 * 0.9 * 0.35

[devout belfry]

Neat.

[wind spruce]

yes

[devout belfry]

How do you calcuate those three variables?

[wind spruce]

you dont need to

why would you need to calculate them lmao

the values of the talents are given to us

[devout belfry]

Because things like dr factor into two of them.

While tdr is one.

[wind spruce]

and you can just go and get bonked by something with no talents

[devout belfry]

Or how they interact while one scales linearly and the other not?

And both are dependent on a common origin?

[summer prairie]

what's scaling

[devout belfry]

Scaling with your statistics and the enemies. Sometimes conversely.

[summer prairie]

I think you are trolling by this point

[wind spruce]

gobbledygook

[devout belfry]

The same stab can do more or less damage. We all agree.

[summer prairie]

no

[devout belfry]

I think we disagree with verbage at the most.

[wind spruce]

if you change the variables such as your damage resistance, sure....

[devout belfry]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code

Go ham.

[wind spruce]

you dont need source code for this discussion

its all testable by any old pleb

[devout belfry]

Go see the hellscape of the dmg types, hidden flat modifiers, scalers, and more.

[devout belfry]

The output - sure. But you can make up a fake formula to justify any output.

[wind spruce]

yeah its cooked, but how much toughness or health you'll take with combinations of these talents is not complicated

[devout belfry]

It isn't compiled. It isn't obfuscated.

Right there in purple crayon.

[devout belfry]

The new ones?

If yes, I disagree.

[wind spruce]

yes

look at my data

[summer prairie]

Go into psykhanium and make a video that demonstrates what you are even trying to say

[wind spruce]

predict the values if the talents are all multiplicative

[summer prairie]

No idea what you are saying actually

[wind spruce]

adjust for rounding

[devout belfry]

Were there more pages to that spreadsheet?

[wind spruce]

you'll see

[devout belfry]

You declared every axis and color coded it arbitrarily?

[devout belfry]

This?

[wind spruce]

yes

[devout belfry]

Why not v1 = ham sandiwch and v3 = turducken?

[wind spruce]

are you completely insane?

with no talents i took 84 toughness damage

[devout belfry]

It's a screenshot of a spreadsheet. What am I missing?

[pale prairie]

If he made it all up then you should be able to repeat the same test and show that you got different results?

[devout belfry]

Wtf is "newly infected"?

[wind spruce]

with TDR travel node + immateral i took 68

do the fkn math

its an enemy you goober

[devout belfry]

What's the enemy code for mob load?

Non localized sorry.

[summer prairie]

chaos newly infected?

[wind spruce]

iirc the other one

[pale prairie]

Turducken crosses all language Barriers

[devout belfry]

Lol

I give up.

[summer prairie]

Good

[devout belfry]

But I believe we can all be amazing even if we have no idea what we're doing.

[wind spruce]

thats literally what ive done here. no ability to read code or do complex mathematics, just basic reasoning skills and arithmetic

[devout belfry]

Ah, that explains a lot.

[radiant frigate]

either the math is not mathing or my brain is not braining, but how the hell is the toughness damage the same when comparing OwtW at 0 and 100

[wind spruce]

because when OwTW is at 100 dream deactivates

[devout belfry]

Becuase he made up his own formulas and let it rip lol

It's literally complete garbage.

[wind spruce]

they arent formulas you moron

[radiant frigate]

oh so the brain wasn't braining

THANKYOU

[wind spruce]

you literally are too smart and well versed at what you know that you cant see the goddamn forest for the trees

ive made hundreds of you

ive managed you

you're brilliant

[sinful perch]

Can brain burst crit or nah?

[radiant frigate]

negative

[wind spruce]

but fuck, do you need to be managed

[devout belfry]

Work with me on the colors.

Instead of making most of the sheet the same color....

[wind spruce]

they're arbitrary

[devout belfry]

They're not.

[pale prairie]

But you can construct the formulas working backwards from repeatable results obtained from literal gameplay in psykhanium?

[radiant frigate]

what's supposed to be wrong with the colors

[sinful perch]

A terrible day indeed

[devout belfry]

Kind of. The psykhanium has it's own table that's loaded that's slightly different.

And can perform differently and has.

[proper spoke]

What?

[devout belfry]

I haven't tested this patch but they have a HUGE problem with code management and rolling old bugs back in.

[wind spruce]

there ya go

no colours

[summer prairie]

It's time to put him on ignore and move on

[wind spruce]

you'd think so but this is still enjoyable

[pale prairie]

So like what is your thesis statement that has you disagreeing with results obtained from psykhanium? Like what are you arguing? That Just a Dream ISNT DR? Or that Immaterial Focus is more valuable DR because of formulas I assume you have seen in the code?

[weary idol]

damn Just A Dream is that crazy huh?

[summer prairie]

he hasn't seen anything, he is making stuff up or trolling

[weary idol]

that's a fuckton of TDR for one talent

[pale prairie]

“We wanted to bring every class up to arbites level”

[radiant frigate]

one with the warp getting absolutely mogged by the new talent on the block

[weary idol]

I heard it scales with peril reductions too

[radiant frigate]

i mean, i say that but they work together nicely

[pale prairie]

Wait so you haven’t tested anything but you KNOW that Irosk is wrong about something?

[radiant frigate]

they cover each other

[wind spruce]

yeah but however hard you try to manifest it, that scaling only decreases the peril generated not the damage taken 🙁

[pale prairie]

Yeah that would be fucking nutty

[wind spruce]

my brain keeps telling me "just increase your stam, that'll lower the dama... wait what"

[weary idol]

damn

[pale prairie]

I would join the church of Irosk peril minimizing if that were the case

[wind spruce]

JOIN ME REGARDLESS, BROTHER

SOON WE SHALL INTEGRATE THE GOSPEL OF THE PURLOINED PROVIDENCE

[pale prairie]

I want you to be special. And I like the red color of my gauge

[upper sun]

warp ghost+one with the warp my beloveds..........

[wind spruce]

lord, forgive this sinner for he knows not what he says, please my lord

[pale prairie]

Anyways fun discussions all around and I hope we can play together sometime Irosk but Its fucking 2 am and I need sleep

[radiant frigate]

time for PERIL CYCLING WARP SHIELDS

[devout belfry]

This patch

[wind spruce]

we shall

[devout belfry]

Have they proof they tested?

The psychanium used to use a different value set than the actual game from the old lua.

[radiant frigate]

take damage, build peril, get toughness, get tdr

add sg for more tdr and more peril and more toughness

[devout belfry]

I haven't looked recently but after all the crap they've been symmetrical for a whie.

[devout belfry]

It reduces damage. Certainly. But it's present in the total health result both multiplicatively and additively since it's present twice in separate parts.

[wind spruce]

IS THE WORLD OUR GOD CREATED NOT PROOF ENOUGH FOR YOUR LUSTFUL EYES? THINE LECHEROUS HEART YEARNS FOR JUSTIFICATIONS GIVEN BUT THEY SHALL NEVER SUFFICE WHILE THOU WALLOWS IN SINFUL FANTASIES

[devout belfry]

I need an adult.

[radiant frigate]

are you not an adult?

[wind spruce]

a carer?

[radiant frigate]

little one, where are your parents?

do you want us to call someone?

[novel yoke]

lads, for the orthus offensive secret do you need to be on a specific difficulty?
or is ringing the bells enough to trigger it

[devout belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/piccolo-piccolo-being-held-back-piccolo-tweaking-piccolo-held-back-dragon-ball-gif-570644723604683178

I only just realized how much that stand in looks like Goku Black.

Huh.

[upper sun]

its been 34 years since the last DBS arc

[devout belfry]

Do you think... they kinda looked at that?

[upper sun]

i think it should be highest

[novel yoke]

auric? damn im cooked then

[pure scaffold]

Damnation works

[novel yoke]

well thats a little better at least, thanks

[devout belfry]

I think a lot of that is from when Raditz got grabbed. I think they scoped it.

[upper sun]

ask for help on #vox-lfg-lexicanum people help others with twins very often

[wraith sphinx]

I like combining the two :]

[devout belfry]

I don't think auric existed then...

[novel yoke]

idk I got the game like 5 months ago

[novel yoke]

thanks

[upper sun]

actually look in the EU region one guy there helped most of the server

[radiant frigate]

yes very true

they work together to progressively make your toughness more gooder and then one is at its peak and the other goes to sleep

[deft stump]

I thought Ainz is US?

[upper sun]

https://tenor.com/view/nuggetand-cat-car-cat-meme-cats-gif-13549128190129307854

@verbal thistle where are u

[wraith sphinx]

and if that's for whatever reason still not good enough I pop scrier's gaze

[plucky flax]

@summer prairie up for some gaming?

I typed gayming and got auto corrected

[wraith sphinx]

homophobic autocorrect

[radiant frigate]

how much TDR do we get? Yes.

like what are we dealing with here

10% node maybe average 20% owtw 20% sg 10% immaterial 25% just a dream

[deft stump]

Carry?

[radiant frigate]

38-ish% toughness damage?taken

[plucky flax]

I'm only rank 31 I need to rank up fast.

[radiant frigate]

that's epic

that's like vet during iron will

[summer prairie]

@plucky flax I've time for one but have to get out of this one somehow

they might be wiping so that's good

[plucky flax]

Okay I wait.

[wraith sphinx]

yeah it's basically comparable to iron will vet

[radiant frigate]

siblings can we tank sniper shots now?

[wraith sphinx]

vet still tankier with close order drill though I assume

[deft stump]

I can't even get a team to just do 30. Been asking around. No luck this week.

[wraith sphinx]

I have managed to do 21 with a gunker build with randoms

[radiant frigate]

imagine how confused a scab sniper would get to shoot a psyker in the chest and then somehow the ead explodes from peril because mid-cast

that'll be all for my daily schizoposting

[plucky flax]

I don't mind if you join karien.

[deft stump]

If the randoms are worse than me, we are screwed. My aurics are hell for that reason.

Mostly just want a win tbh. Can play whatever.

[summer prairie]

Ok, I'm ready

[plucky flax]

You want to join?

[deft stump]

I'll boot it up.

[deft stump]

VC? Or eh?

[plucky flax]

No need ma'am.

[summer prairie]

hurry, don't have much time

[deft stump]

The game takes ages to load. I just got on.

[sinful perch]

Does brain burst have unique dialogue when you use it? I know assail has voice lines but I've swapped to brain burst and honestly haven't noticed any

[wraith sphinx]

Savant psykers have a chance to say "You have paid" and "I take no pleasure in this"

[cosmic cobalt]

the only psyker choice is my beloved

[wraith sphinx]

I know they also say "Let the Warp flow through you" when using smite

[sinful perch]

Truly, I tried loner but I love how wacky seer is

THE TRAPPERS DEAAAEAEAD

[wraith sphinx]

seer tires me out because it's so popular tbh

"beloved this beloved that" every second mission I play

loner is funny though

[wind spruce]

lmao i just popped three scriers in a row directly out of the previous scriers and one of them i was at 30 stacks of afterburn + 22 active duration stacks by the time warp unbound finished

so fucking ludicrous

[quartz flare]

woah

[wraith sphinx]

scrier's gaze, now infinite

[wind spruce]

literally

and people be questioning my quell maxxing SMDH head

[wraith sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-sad-cat-true-morgan-freeman-gif-2550818640546449257

[wind spruce]

i realised what my build was missing

something that scales infinitely

my beloved

PC

@proper osprey i just swapped back to FGS and fell flat on my face because its so goddamn obese

[summer prairie]

out of memory

[twilit veldt]

voidblast scryiers gaze

[wind spruce]

if scrier's linger effect procs during scrier's linger effect it doesnt refresh the duration

[twilit veldt]

get high crit, then soulblaze everything

[wind spruce]

literally unplayable....

hmm might just be a visual bug

it definitely refreshes the duration of warp unbound

cbf testing the damage

[plucky flax]

Bubble knight

[weary crane]

Uhhh It's the map with the interrogator in a tower with 2 bridges at the end

[deft stump]

Your game died in the end?

[wraith sphinx]

vigil station oblivium?

[summer prairie]

No in the tunnels

[deft stump]

Oh. I just got 2014'd.

[plucky flax]

Up time of bubble with bubble knight is now really good with psykenetic aura.

[weary crane]

Yeah I think so

That's the one aborted

[marble crater]

Impossible, people said psy aura is bad now

[weary crane]

It's not bad it's just not OP lol

[plucky flax]

I think it's worse for teammates but the same for psyker

[deft stump]

Doesn't affect someone when they don't even notice when their ult is ready, lul.

[plucky flax]

Tru

[deft stump]

So... XD

[twilit veldt]

ok, gun psyker might be busted

i gotta try this out ingame

[plucky flax]

Is it?

I play melee psyker

[twilit veldt]

with the repositioning of some talents it seems really fucking funny

tho until i play it in a match i wont know

also dont know which keystone i should use with gun psyker, obvious choice is disrupt destiny but ill be honest, i dont like it that much

warp siphon is extra damage tho

[deft stump]

Ppl say it now feeds you kills more than it used to. I never liked DD so... Shrugs.