psyker-class

[deft stump]

Frags still good, you know.

[pale prairie]

Damn already leaving behind your double barrel

[sturdy reef]

smokes are goated

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/true-gif-10431780778138318457

[sturdy reef]

new kraks are good too

[bright summit]

Shriek is busted this patch I don't think the nades itself is going to compete

Vet as a class competes now however because powercreep

Smiles

[mental kayak]

do you guys think

i can play

[wraith sphinx]

no

[mental kayak]

a bubble + smite build

if so can some1 show me a tree

i am really bad at making them still...

[wind spruce]

Doesn't exist sorry

[mental kayak]

[pale prairie]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1420827531497705492/Screenshot_20250925_124110_Firefox.jpg?ex=68d6d041&is=68d57ec1&hm=9c4ca969fb0a114253a15f7234d699989be947ecff2b461ec1a0eecd65596dc4&

Switch shriek for bubble

From Six with Love

[wind spruce]

Or just keep shriek bc it has better synergy with smite

[mental kayak]

this

[deft stump]

Hey, better good than... barely scraping viability from the bottom of the barrel.

[mental kayak]

i think i'll retire from psyker my positioning is so dogshit

i feel bad

everytime

i die

cause hordes kill me

i don't get it

[deft stump]

Just throw shards into hordes.

Death to all chaff and smaller stuff.

[mental kayak]

i am playing havo

normal mission is okay

havoc idk i just want to unalive my self everytime :(

hordes just swarm me and they don't die

[bright summit]

Vet was balanced and had good talents the issues were 1) build diversity between keystones and abilities and nades 2) good talents were limited by extreme amounts of tax nodes which exacerbates 1)

[mental kayak]

and i gotta play bubble

[thorn cedar]

smite gets nerfed in havoc

[deft stump]

Havoc is playing safer. Bubble is basically a must unless you know how to survive there.

[thorn cedar]

hitmass is what determines the time it takes for an enemy to become stunned by smite and all trash mobs get boosted hitmass values in havoc

[deft stump]

Also, if your team is competent enough to work without it.

[mental kayak]

no

i'm just bad

it's okay

[bright summit]

Unfortunately fatshark doesn't know how to rework a class without buffing it to shit now vet gets like 5 free x% damage increase talents and survivability talents were integrated to base kit and it's ridiculous

[deft stump]

Yeah, you basically feel you need 15 extra points vs other classes needing 5 more.

[bright summit]

Vet is by no means a bad class before it's limiting with what you can do with the talent tree is all

[loud girder]

just wait for darktide 3 for a balanced game

aint no way they nerfing anything after conditoning the playerbase to feeling like main characters for 2? years now

[deft stump]

Wot. They got 1x stam delay added. Determined is literally like you can still aim while being shot at.

[bright summit]

The rework kinda made some parts of it worse because now you get access to everything good that you want when before you have to path to the objective best ones and ignore other really good talents(melee bleed, agile engagement, etc.) so now pathing to stuff that's bad isn't making a different build you're just intentionally building bad

[bright summit]

Stam delay is big, also catch a breath + close order drill is all base kit equivalent to tax nodes just like death resist now

[deft stump]

To be fair, everyone pathed CaB if survivalist.

[stark crown]

Reminder that Veteran has no raw DR

Meaning the plasma Gunner is the hardest counter to them

[bright summit]

I've played my old fun melee builds and on all the worse keystone and auras and nades it still feels as good as pre patch hard havoc meta vet and that's horrid

[deft stump]

3 shot kill.

Assuming 150 hp.

[stark crown]

Vets survivability hitches off toughness damage reduction

Plasma says bye bye to toughness

[bright summit]

Its really hard to say vet isn't broken now like
Skirmisher+25% free damage
Exploit Weakness +20% free damage

• Every single talent in bottom right is a top tier pick
  Iron will, sup complex, trench fighter drill(previously all mandatory talents almost) require 0 pathing cost

[stark crown]

I’m more mad the keystone stranglehold was firmly planted again

Cause right side is so fucking stacked

[deft stump]

MELEE damage for exploit weakness.

[stark crown]

Meaning you should always path to WS

Vets in a far better spot but they are the only class In game now

That has no raw damage Reduction

[bright summit]

Nope! It got buffed more

[deft stump]

Anything that hits through or deletes toughness is hell.

[stark crown]

It’s a death sentence for veteran

[deft stump]

+300 ping so fun times.

[gray juniper]

Hey guys

So another hotfix and there’s 41 male pregnancy emojis under it

[bright summit]

Exactly, previously you had reasons for taking other nades, like smokes bc you can have melee bleed, but now it's all free and you are just making it worse for your output to take smokes

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/whats-up-nerds-brandon-reed-welsh-corl-whaddup-nerds-sup-nerds-gif-17552961

[pale prairie]

Zealots are alive and well

[loud girder]

aint no way we're complaining about blitzes not being tied to pathing

[gray juniper]

Oh no

[loud girder]

yes i love only taking knives on zealot cause the other 2 have much worse pathing

[gray juniper]

I hope not

[bright summit]

Same thing with tree pathing there's almost no reason for left tree except Lasgun ammo talent and no reason for middle tree except for bring it down

[deft stump]

Smokes are a god send vs plasma spam though. If your team can't kill them fast enough.

[gray juniper]

Knives have been pretty good for a hot minute tho

[stark crown]

Don’t get me wrong I’m agreeing with you on this but I think they literally just need to move around some of right side talents to spice up MMF and FT pathing

[gray juniper]

Like they have hella range too

[stark crown]

Cause like

[bright summit]

They shouldn't be hard tied but if blitzes aren't balanced enough then they should be tied to pathing yeah

[stark crown]

Why would you ever path down those sides with how insanely stacked right is

[bright summit]

It gives more decision to tree pathing then you need to decide if you want a better blitz vs better talents

[stark crown]

Okay holy shit no

[gray juniper]

So did they fuck up veteran again

[pale prairie]

So what does smite get

[bright summit]

If you can take everything with everything then there's no choice at all

[gray juniper]

Man. Fuck smite

[loud girder]

i mean only busted blitz on vet is shredders

[stark crown]

I do not want to get taxed 10 points for running smokes on Exe stance

[pale prairie]

No it’s just a crazy hot fix

[stark crown]

Never again

[loud girder]

but arent kraks better now

[deft stump]

Recon. Or up to weakspot for plasma.

[pale prairie]

Probably why the pregnancy emojis. Doesn’t fix what they want. Ammo stat still fucked

[bright summit]

Thats not what the point I made is

[loud girder]

they seem to be focusing on giving the players billion good nodes and limiting them to only taking 30 out of 80 rather than forcing a specific pathing

i think its too simple

but way more fun

i have multiple bujilds on every class now

[gray juniper]

Actually it’s good seeing a lot of recon out especially with the plasma guys

[loud girder]

as opposed to very limited stuff

[stark crown]

Vigils are becoming more popular

[bright summit]

Good blitz + pretty good talents vs worse blitz + really good talents

[loud girder]

helps that i do not give a shit about min maxxing so i dont care if something is objectively weaker

[stark crown]

Brings a tear to the eye being an old vigil main

[bright summit]

Issue with old vet is all the good talents are on the side with the good blitz so you're punished even more

[stark crown]

Veteran has a talent that gives them frags guaranteed

They can get away with worse blitz’s depending on their preference of playstyle I’ll be blunt

I think smokes could use just the smallest buffs mainly in regards to encourage staying in them

But all of them are fine

[bright summit]

You can get away with it current patch but the balance is horrible, because the next step is them buffing even more stuff and that's more powercreep we don't need

And you bet fatshark loves buffs

[deft stump]

Or just, smoke gets a free subnode that applies lesser red/blue/yellow stim effects in the area.

[gray juniper]

Monsoon has a point

[jovial juniper]

Memes!

[deft stump]

You pick which.

[jovial juniper]

The DNA of the soul

[stark crown]

Eh? I’d rather it give something stamina based

So it encourages a “Safe area” type deploy

[deft stump]

That's blue.

[bright summit]

Every single pve game that gets a little popular just gets super powecrept it's sad

[gray juniper]

This could and I’m not saying it’s inevitable but it could lead to more enemy health buffs until we get a generic mmo game where you’re fighting 100 health tank enemies

[stark crown]

Reduced stamina cost inside smokes etc

[gray juniper]

Then the game becomes repetitive

[thorn cedar]

DT is nowhere near the level of awful HD2 went through though.

[bright summit]

Its been bad since ogryn

[loud girder]

its simple most people view PVE games as a fun past time and want to feel strong with min effort

hd2 biggest example

[bright summit]

That's because it's fundamentals are in vt2 which is quite a good games and hd2 threw everything good about hd1 out the window

Power fantasy dress up game

[thorn cedar]

Are we power creeping? Absolutely. Are we power crept? Nah.

Havoc 30 is still unbeatable for 90% of the player base.

[loud girder]

this is funny cause hd2 folks run are complaining about "grunt fantasy" being enforced lol

[bright summit]

Last Scriers buff last year was already too much

[deft stump]

The problem is balancing over havoc.

[stark crown]

Stims are so fucking awesome

[deft stump]

Oggy and Arby were balanced for it.

[stark crown]

Best modifier they’ve added in ages

[bright summit]

That's ok? Havoc is supposed to be an endgame mode for players who have done everything else, do not balance around havocs

[thorn cedar]

I was so confused when I kept hearing stims popping lmao

[loud girder]

so is every other class now

[bright summit]

Everything falls apart when they balance around havocs

[stark crown]

Yeah it’s them juicing up

And making it more difficult

[thorn cedar]

Of course. HD2 is in the opposite camp with 10 difficulty levels that may as well be three.

[stark crown]

You not know the effects of C.Stims yet Exploits?

[thorn cedar]

I do not

[deft stump]

I still think balancing around auric or even damnation is the way to go.

[thorn cedar]

The mystery makes it fun

[tacit stump]

i want another soulblaze staff beside inferno

[stark crown]

One moment

[bright summit]

Damnation

[pulsar solar]

I'm just waiting for the pinned builds to be updated with the current patch

[stark crown]

Illl send it if you care to read cause they’re fucking scary

[bright summit]

They're currently balancing around havocs it's so bad

[thorn cedar]

oh damn

lmao, love it

[stark crown]

Green stim captain with 150k HP in h40 LMAO

Vs 75k

Also immune to DOT

[loud girder]

was bound to happen, the people who they made havoc for stopped playing anything but havoc then started complaining that the bullshit cbt endgame mode only allows very specific builds unless you're very skilled

[deft stump]

Auric is fine, especially in relation to cleave stuff. Anything heresy and below should feel chill or easy anyway.

[stark crown]

Hence making stupid modifiers is funnier

[bright summit]

They balanced havoc around the meta which is the problem

And then they balanced the entire game around havocs

Infinite healing enemies thanks a lot for build forcing fatshark

[loud girder]

yeah which is why i find havoc funny as a game mode

[bright summit]

S1 modifiers were annoying but S2 modifiers are like total dogshit

[loud girder]

went from being the endgame cbt mode for sweats to the mode they want everyone to play

[stark crown]

Red + Purple was kinda peak though

Was the hardest but felt the best completing

[bright summit]

Play it without inferno or rumbler or book or shout or an arbitrator

[stark crown]

Dog

I played Taxe Vet

LMAO

[loud girder]

stim stuff is very funny to weatch
ill try to climb next week

[bright summit]

Mostly was referring to the comp but taxe is very good yeah

[deft stump]

I mean, ppl have done it with me. I'm basically a panicky 300 ping deadweight at a point.

300 ping + red enemies makes everything worse.

Is like 300 ping and 14 plasmas.

You just die because if you aren't already dodging when the warning plays, you are hit.

Why do you think I'm back to agile DS4 on vet when playing outside of region.

[bright summit]

No love for combat knife

[deft stump]

Is my fav. Sadly with BS plasma packs, can't use it outside of region.

[bright summit]

Understandable

All you need is an ek psyker to walk over them

[deft stump]

Going from 5 ping to 100 in aussie to 200-320 in US to 280-500 in EU...

[bright summit]

That enemy is actually stealth buffing ek

[deft stump]

Or return plasma. The karks take more shots to kill than they do me.

[royal totem]

280-500 sounds a bit torturous

[deft stump]

I can play as long we don't RU servers.

[bright summit]

EE gives you immunity just click m1 and hold w they made ek braindead last patch

[deft stump]

That's the closer to 500 side with extreme dcs.

Been doing my H40s in EU after all.

[royal totem]

Damn. I cant even clear damnation.

[proper osprey]

You can

[royal totem]

In the US playing on US servers

[gray juniper]

Don’t sweat the side talk

[deft stump]

You can, never say you can't. Always try to.

[gray juniper]

That’s a very sweat conversation happening above so pay it no mind

[sacred crane]

this is my new inferno build, what is yalls opinion

[royal totem]

Im normally trying to clear damnation with 3 bots

[lost jewel]

im struggling in Heresy as a lv30 lmao

[proper osprey]

Drop immaterian focus for emphatic evasion

[sacred crane]

[gray juniper]

If yall wanna play it a minute we can

[royal totem]

Youll get it :3

[proper osprey]

Change maniac to unyielding on staff

[gray juniper]

Pick up flayer somehow

[sacred crane]

eeeeehhhh

while flayer is rlly good

[proper osprey]

Eh

[sacred crane]

i dont think its needed

[proper osprey]

Flayer is alright

I only take it on vb

[gray juniper]

Quiet zealot

Let the staffers do the talking

[ripe obsidian]

Swap Quietude for EE and Empyric Shock for Wildfire.

[deft stump]

Just always think of it as a step. You'll get better.

[ripe obsidian]

And one of the defensive nodes for KF

Or the Ogryn one for KF

But that's more preference

[deft stump]

Nu. A vet will also speak her mind.

[ripe obsidian]

The Quietude to EE and ES to Wildfire are stronger recommendations

[lost jewel]

Aye, I wish. Played Vermintide a good bit too, never got into higher difficulties. The melee combat just doesnt click for me.

[proper osprey]

[sacred crane]

wildfire isnt that great still and quitude is amazing

[proper osprey]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d5cc452-6030-42a4-afe1-2b54e0c4337c/terrible-inferno-build try this

[gray juniper]

Hi Karien

[proper osprey]

Wildfire is good

[sacred crane]

you sure bout that

[patent mango]

psykuh

[sacred crane]

every time ive checked

it gives like

1 stack of soulblaze

[verbal thistle]

wildfire is a combo talent

[proper osprey]

I used to be a doubter too

[verbal thistle]

bascially nothing by itself but with like 2 talents it does great work

[ripe obsidian]

Wildfire is great and Quietude is good, but you have like 4 other toughness generating nodes that are better.

[elfin mortar]

Been playing with this and it feels kinda op, anybody else thinking the same?

[austere warren]

What are people getting up to with non-right side psyker builds?

[gray juniper]

K flayer imo is for keeping things procced on auto mode

[lost jewel]

it keeps me on my feet due to poor peril management 🤷‍♂️

[patent mango]

lmao i dont think its op

[sacred crane]

flayer is good but its just one of those nodes you take if you have extra points

[snow scaffold]

How much damage does Crystalline Will do?

[austere warren]

Has the Athenium been updated?

[verbal thistle]

it got a major buff

its a take awlays with bb

[sacred crane]

yeah i know

i dont think its a mandatory take

[verbal thistle]

nothing is mandatory

[deft stump]

Hrmph.

[royal totem]

I dont think ive exploded since update

Dont get why. I dont do anything differently

[elfin mortar]

did 2430 dmg to a crusher

[lost jewel]

where to view talent planner at?

[snow scaffold]

Ohh snap, I can work with that

[verbal thistle]

website, gameslantern

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[elfin mortar]

now it did 1700 hmmm

I think you need to be right up close for max dmg

[snow scaffold]

I'll have to test it out thanks

[spice oar]

Has anyone used this yet, wanted to try the bomb build

[wind spruce]

Fatshark stealth buffed your skill

[kind jay]

ive used poxburster build on auric with some success

[sturdy reef]

might be a good meme for a solo or duo auric

[elfin mortar]

ngl Ive just been using it to just spam the voidblast staff with empiric resolve and basically no consequences

[patent mango]

4 crystalline will vs h40

[royal totem]

Damn. Thanks fatshark

[elfin mortar]

25% of your hp worth clearing out a whole wave

[austere warren]

What you been running around with with this? Willing to just give it a spin.

[wind spruce]

Wildfire is very stronk. A few extra stacks spreading onto stuff before you light it up from other sources adds up to big deeps

[austere warren]

I've been obsessed with the greatsword since it came out

[gray juniper]

Vb or inferno mostly inferno for testing purposes

[austere warren]

Do ppl still run the zap staff? Hardly see it sometimes

[stark crown]

wait was it buffed

[austere warren]

My original zap staff build got swapped up so I gotta figure that out again.

[upper sun]

anyone have problems in game with attacks not going through

or going through then disappearing then reappearing

[stable bone]

I pretty much only use EK staff

[tepid python]

warp ghost...

[vernal temple]

already 1/3 done and soon won't have any more penances to do

[austere warren]

Is fun. Voidblast is probably still the main staff I enjoy the most because of the sounds it makes on impact.

Shit sounds like it hurts a lot.

[pale prairie]

Typical shoutie

[stable bone]

Yeah if I don't use EK I usually use it

[austere warren]

Power word: goopball

Begone

[vernal temple]

u should try flame staff though

it's the best

[austere warren]

Yeah I know. When I'm in the mood for pyro shit it's its own time.

I just like space grapes.

Or whatever variety of movement speed, crit vomit, finesse damage factory shit I get from right tree because gun and blade psyker too cool.

Can psykers use shock mauls? I forgot.

[long saddle]

yes

[vernal temple]

yes

[long saddle]

has matching twitch skin with the other twitch outfit

[austere warren]

Is it passable?

[long saddle]

I have a build where all I use is twitch skins lol

[austere warren]

Haven't touched it for them yet.

[vernal temple]

on psyker it's meh

[stable bone]

It's good for shredding captain shields at least

With the special attack

[long saddle]

it has some fun finesse traits

[austere warren]

As long as I'm not struggling against the build itself than the enemy I'm down for whatever.

[long saddle]

but it's no arby maul

[austere warren]

Well, it's also no Arbites lol

[long saddle]

you can chain strikedown heavies with it easily

[austere warren]

Cool

How is it on carapace dmg for when I have to bother with it?

[royal totem]

I used it for a while on psyker

[long saddle]

it's ok

[vernal temple]

Duelling Sword is still king when it comes to dealing with carapace

[royal totem]

But im now addicted to the dopamine of combat blade

[austere warren]

Good enough

[long saddle]

carapace is mostly crusher so it's gonna be even harder now

[gray juniper]

I’m going to try a talent buff build for it and see how it performs with empyric shock etc

[long saddle]

besides FGS

[austere warren]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-james-doakes-surprise-mf-can't-prove-it-gif-7408854170742055240

I recognize you, sibling.

[gray juniper]

Big eh

FGS is still the GOAT

[vernal temple]

depends on the build

[austere warren]

Yeah, fighting games are great. :^)

[vernal temple]

if I'm using Trauma staff? FGC for sure. But if I main a Purgatus? Duelling Sword is my choice

[long saddle]

I find myself wanting a much more nimble option for trauma

[austere warren]

My combat blade days are never over. But that greatsword so fun.

[long saddle]

more so than purg

so im combat blade on it

[royal totem]

Im personally not a fan of slow weapons. Its why i dont use FGS

[austere warren]

And I like right side builds that play a lot with high peril output. I gotta do it.

[long saddle]

you gotta do full FGS build for it imo

[vernal temple]

purgatus dispatches practically every enemy the game throws at you, so I only occasionally pull out the DS to poke some crusher's face

or for bosses

[long saddle]

otherwise I just take FS for backup

[vernal temple]

the Deimos FS has a neat little exploit. mash LMB+Block over and over for infinite stab attack

[austere warren]

For peril heavy play? Not exactly in my experience but fgs is just a jack knife of a weapon. Great reach, solid speed, easy to build with, versatile and easy to flow with. Love it.

[gray juniper]

Little knife so isn’t for me. All that HYAH HYAH HYAH HYAH work on an ogyrns kidneys or head

[royal totem]

I try to burn ogryns

[gray juniper]

It’s not effective btw

To my knowledge

[royal totem]

Is aware. But my other option is stab with smol knife

[gray juniper]

Is this why you’re struggling In damnation?

[burnt frigate]

at least try catachan and learn to deflect

[royal totem]

No. Its cuz im playing with 3 bots

[gray juniper]

Play invitation open

[royal totem]

Im intentionally doing this to myself so its fine

[gray juniper]

Ah ok

[spice oar]

Fair enough

Hmmm

[gray juniper]

Glass cannon game theory tells me to never downgrade damage for other properties. Defense or evasion possibly, but never damage

[royal totem]

I win well enough when i play pub lobbies

[long saddle]

might be easier now with the tree redo and easier to reach melee nodes, prob need to build a non-SG version tho

I used to use it all the time when I was just starting the game

[burnt frigate]

mk 4 dump mobility

[gray juniper]

Nah see that’s the thing. I like having to have a semblance of aim and sword combo technique rather than dueling sword 2-3 button combo on everything

[burnt frigate]

Yeah the devil claw sword is all about tech use.

right up your alley.

[lost jewel]

Are talents like "One with the Warp" and "Warp Splitting" worth learning how to balance critical peril? Its my current build but im not sure if its just me being garbage or the talents not being worth while

[gray juniper]

FGS is far more interactive and versatile along with better psyker traits

[burnt frigate]

You can parry overheads without taking dmg

[gray juniper]

Yea but that’s a damage decrease compared to fgs far as I know

[royal totem]

I cant remember what one with the warp and warp splitting do

[gray juniper]

Also prefer offensive to reactive play

[lost jewel]

Basically more DR and Cleave with higher peril

[royal totem]

Oh.

[gray juniper]

10-33% peril based damage resistance or 100% cleave based on peril

[verbal thistle]

yes, higher psyker gameplay is being able to manage your peril for max buffs

being around 60-90 is best

86+ is best

[royal totem]

I take one with the warp

[verbal thistle]

but take your time learning to managa high end peril

[burnt frigate]

Or just use warp ghost

[lost jewel]

Cool, I wanted to make sure I wasnt learning a useless skill lmao

[royal totem]

I should take warp ghost

[gray juniper]

Nah newbies will be lost in the woods the moment they don’t take it then

[royal totem]

Should i take mind in motion or warp ghost?

[gray juniper]

Sorry I’m being so contradictory towards you on everything

Just stating concerns is what I mean to say

[lost jewel]

I run "Warp Ghost" and "Just a Dream" in tandem

[burnt frigate]

Mind in Motion is very bad.

[pale prairie]

Warp ghost always beats mind in motion

[lost jewel]

feels okay, but i need to learn A lot

[royal totem]

Ok fair enough.

[gray juniper]

Warp ghost is far better

[burnt frigate]

I do this as well. Take a gun.

[pale prairie]

You can replicate mind in motion with sprint or dodge sliding

[gray juniper]

Mim is a tale for me because of how I plan to use it in game

I actually took it to buff warp ghost

[lost jewel]

but i like staffs lol

[burnt frigate]

Then learn to weave in a few voidblast staff explosions before swapping back to dedicated melee.

[royal totem]

Time for somebody to throw Pridurok into Auric HISTG

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-poke-ball-ash-i-choose-you-gif-4444793

[burnt frigate]

Use voidblast to knock over ogryn so you can melee them safely.

[gray juniper]

[whole new tree comes out] “gun psyker gun psyker gun psyker big sword 9/10 times” 🙄

[lost jewel]

I can barely do Heresy lmao. my last 3 heresy games have fallen apart part way

[royal totem]

If i wasnt at work kek

[pale prairie]

I really would have rather the new talents were split between damage and DR

[royal totem]

Sadly im stuck at work

[pale prairie]

Same but soon I won’t be

[royal totem]

For another 3 hrs

[pale prairie]

The plasma event calls to me. I still need 11 kills

[gray juniper]

Again invitation is open if you wanna play

[deft stump]

No gold for you then.

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/strong-love-elijah-gif-5539993

[strong gulch]

I still haven't done it.

[pale prairie]

That’s okay I don’t deserve it

[burnt frigate]

I finished the event and still roll it to help

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-thinking-what-im-thinking-stan-marsh-south-park-same-idea-great-minds-think-alike-gif-21681265

[lost jewel]

Only if you act like Gordon Ramsay

[gray juniper]

Point and chortle. For he hath no shillings

[gray juniper]

Define this

[royal totem]

If our times work ill play with you though sometime Pridurok. ill bring out my arby or ogrn

[pale prairie]

Can anyone explain to me why everyone wants to run into the open area at the beginning of smelter? Why not stay underground where you can manage range threats better?

[pale prairie]

Just yell that they are a donkey

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-ramsay-dog-shit-gif-25374997

[burnt frigate]

much of this game is herding cats.

[lost jewel]

Call me out on my bad habits and say im a donkey

[royal totem]

Theyre trying to fulfill their slayer oaths. Ok ok bad warhammer fantasy joke

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/idiot-sandwich-im-an-hellskitchen-gif-19885029

[strong gulch]

This heretic is fucking RAWWWWWW!

WHAT ARE YOU??
heretic: I'm an idiot sandwich.

[pale prairie]

That’s fucking great

[pale prairie]

Nah the purge psyker is an idiot for not cooking the heretic

HES FUCKING RAW

[strong gulch]

"You wanna go big man? Huh?"

[royal totem]

@lost jewel you a only psyker player?

[pale prairie]

No they run upstairs then predictably die then write in chat “I hate when everyone splits up” dog you decided to run up those stairs away from me so yes please leave on death you dipshit

[royal totem]

I always run down on smelter complex

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-ramsay-chef-ramsay-hell's-kitchen-cursing-yankee-doodle-gif-958360861067640885

[lost jewel]

Yes and no. I like psyker most from my various attempts at playing other classes. I dont own Arbites so icant speak on them

[royal totem]

Fair fair. Was just curious

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/mmm-cookie-gif-22096164

For being a smart reject

[deft stump]

Is more open so you trade bombers and crushers/maulers with snipers and gunners in terms of hell.

[pale prairie]

But if we only have two directions to watch it’s easier. Just go quickly and kill stuff

[deft stump]

This is more on lower diffs. The BS on havoc means go bottom.

[royal totem]

I play anything except vet. Im a dogshit vet that belongs in uprising on vet

[pale prairie]

Plasma means bottom is better than top

[elfin mortar]

you could also try smiting and then while your peril is slowly going to 100 walk into the middle of the horde and explode

[lost jewel]

Ogryn is my next favorite, but i dont feel as if they are as much of a powerhouse as i thought they'd be

In melee that is

[pale prairie]

My friend

What build you using

[royal totem]

Ummmmm

[lost jewel]

uh, my own?

[royal totem]

Ogryn huge melee powerhouse

[pale prairie]

Okay cause Ogryn is a fucking monster in melee

[lost jewel]

I dont feel that way lmao

[elfin mortar]

pickaxe go brrrr

[pale prairie]

My favorite Ogryn build is broken Billy club hybrid of middle and left tree with taunt giving me toughness galore

[royal totem]

The sheer ability to stagger things with bully club or pickaxe things is super strong

[pale prairie]

Pickaxe is probably smarter pick yeah

[royal totem]

Yeah but skullcrusher on bully club so good

[burnt frigate]

My favorite ogryn build is blocking ranged attacks with the shield and taunting the tiny morons out of their cover.

[pale prairie]

Yeah they reduced some DR and impact talents so I am curious how well it works now

[gray juniper]

Boss Chad deflection

[pale prairie]

Yeah that’s fun

They get so mad they draw swords and charge

[burnt frigate]

Flamers and snipers just kick the air

[royal totem]

Cant speak for havoc. Otherwise well enough imo

[lost jewel]

I only have about 25 hours in the game. I know I have bad takes rn lmao

[burnt frigate]

Enemies taunted by ogryn act like big pissbabies its the most fun build.

[elfin mortar]

ability to yoink enemies, wide sweeps and then also you're able to can open armored enemies with the overhead attack

[royal totem]

Oh ok....at 25 hours i was on heresy too i think

[pale prairie]

Mmmmmm the boss damage

[gray juniper]

Most people here have been playing over 100 hours at least

[lost jewel]

Yeah, which is why i came to bask in the knowledge

[burnt frigate]

420 hours 😏

[royal totem]

I have relatively lil hours compares to most here

Like 450

[elfin mortar]

I have 180 hours and Im saying charging and exploding in the middle of the enemy is a good strat

[gray juniper]

I am now in gaym if you’d like to give it a go @lost jewel

[lost jewel]

sure, i got some time

[royal totem]

Take him to auric lmao

[burnt frigate]

The Big E is offering 42 tithe virgins for every psyker who takes up this mentality.

[gray juniper]

Shhhhh

[pale prairie]

JUST 42??? goes back to sleep

[sinful peak]

I dunno if I fuck with warp ghost, noticing that I relied on passive quelling quite a bit for quick assail bursts

[burnt frigate]

Assail is telling on yourself anyway.

[elfin mortar]

that shit is nasty

[pale prairie]

Bitch slap and it’s excellent sound design is why I use BULLY club

[burnt frigate]

Yeah sadly block-taunting with shield is too broken imo otherwise I'd use bullly it's a fun weapon.

[royal totem]

Bully club is made to bully heretics

[pale prairie]

This is a more ethical build anyway lmao

[gray juniper]

@lost jewel ?

[lost jewel]

Im not sure how to go about adding you, im on Steam

[burnt frigate]

Ethical? No I blob up the taunted and drop a rumbler round in the middle and walk away.

[thick valve]

what does this mean??? such confusing verbiage lol. also does the inferno staff have a secondary attack? looking at Channeled Force talent

[gray juniper]

In game there’s the fatshark code under social tab

There’s a key to press that allows you to input the code by my name

[lost jewel]

AH

[royal totem]

Press ESC. Go to social. Click on that. There should be a code center left.

[pale prairie]

Feels right to me

[elfin mortar]

ethikal? Ogryn only care about 'eretics getting scrumpled

emprah feels the same

[marble crater]

Shoot enemy with lmb from staff, they take more warp damage

[pale prairie]

Yes it does have a RMB. It’s a charged flame thrower

[thick valve]

ahhh soo holding RMB to charge the attack, is not considered primary? only the short burst LMB would stack Empyric Shock?

[pale prairie]

Exactly

[thick valve]

ty ty

ill prob take channeled then i use rmb more

[pale prairie]

Going souldrinker into wildfire is a better bet with inferno staff

[royal totem]

If somebody ever threw me into h40 id just cry

[pale prairie]

FROM JOY

[royal totem]

From panic lmao

[pale prairie]

FROM HAPPINESS

[royal totem]

Theres only 1 way to trick me into it and ill never fall for it

[thick valve]

i like this. is Empyric Resolve more for the melee Scrier Gaze builds?

[pale prairie]

Hey there’s a new exclusive weapon skin in havoc 40 today

[strong gulch]

[strong gulch]

there is??

[marble crater]

All builds

[royal totem]

If somebody invited me to play auric then threw me into h40 thats the only way ill fall for it.

[strong gulch]

High peril gen things like EK and VB.

[thick valve]

even fire staff, when u kinda want high peril?

[pale prairie]

Kinda it’s more for staffs like electrokinetic or voidblast. Inferno builds peril slowly already and you want to get it to 86% with this build so you can shriek more flames. The goal of this build is to shriek then do some half pumps with inferno staff (crit chance/flak with Blaze Away and Warp Nexus)

[strong gulch]

The only time I'd use ER on inferno is with bubble on high havoc.

[marble crater]

Step 1: take Empyric Resolve
Step 2: take Warp Ghost
Step 3: ????
Step 4: Profit

[pale prairie]

So happy for you sut

[marble crater]

Not if you use Shriek I guess

[thick valve]

im too afraid to not take a bubble with inferno staff 🤣

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/write-that-down-taking-notes-school-universities-university-gif-17937210

[marble crater]

Thanks, I played Trauma with Assail, felt strange

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/notthatclair-cerp-entertainment-wandavisionbycerp70s-wandavision-gif-20024594

[marble crater]

"Should I kill the horde with Trauma, Assail or Shriek?"

[thick valve]

on Warp Splitting - does that cleave benefit inferno staff or just melee. clouds so phat already idk

[marble crater]

Inferno already has infinite cleave

[pale prairie]

You have infinite cleave on inferno already

[jovial juniper]

Infinite+100%

[pale prairie]

No need

[thick valve]

perf

thanks y'all ❤️

[jovial juniper]

But yeah it applies to melee, ranged and assail

You just gotta know the cleave values

[strong gulch]

It's just make a choice. Whatever button you hit is basically fine.

brain gambling

[marble crater]

I missed my funny KF procs

[pale prairie]

Don’t give him too much choice he gets confused

[strong gulch]

Gunners and shooter less of a problem

[royal totem]

Lmao. Nobody has been mean enough to try

[pale prairie]

Fine just event auric

[thick valve]

anyone got a crazy Scriers force greatsword build they can share?

[pale prairie]

Define crazy

[thick valve]

melee only psycho >:D

[young cliff]

How are you folks building your melee/gun-kers so far?

[royal totem]

Oh....since captains count as monstrosities i think (for sire melk contracts) if you rush auric you can force captains....does that mean i can get like 6 in one mission?

[marble crater]

You can get 4 in an assassination mission

[pale prairie]

If you insist on melee only you can probably trade in the +10% ranged damage node at the bottom for something else.

This build is a work in progress as I trial all the new talents.

Also no warp unbound so don’t explode

[young cliff]

"informal; adjective; extremely excited or enthusiastic"

[royal totem]

How 4?

Ive never gotten 4

[marble crater]

3 spawns plus boss at the end?

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-dumb-empty-head-moron-spongebob-gif-11976325420190756370

[royal totem]

I ...have never gotten that many

[marble crater]

Play the event

[young cliff]

Too passive, in the absence of a drill to pierce heavens it must cut the world in half

[thick valve]

this is close to what i was working with, i just had perilous, souldrinker & wildfire cus i like people catching fire with blazeforce sword lol, but i guess i can still do that with the blazing spirit blessing

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/yu-yu-hakusho-yoshihiro-togashi-yusuke-yusuke-urameshi-chapter-black-arc-gif-5980996691626254185

[pale prairie]

You do you. Blazing spirit is not super optimal for FGS.

[young cliff]

That's for the LasPistol take

[pale prairie]

Truth

[thick valve]

riposte & shred the meta move?

[pale prairie]

Unstable Power and Shred or Riposte your pick

Unyielding and Carapace

[thick valve]

[pale prairie]

Oh that recon las is wrong

[thick valve]

unstable power still bugged in game and says 5% not 20 lol

can i trust this machine?!?

[pale prairie]

The tooltip is bugged but the power is real

[thick valve]

good lolol

[pale prairie]

Just try to hover your peril around 80%. You might need to manually quell a little to keep it below 97% so that the Just a Dream talent actually helps

[thick valve]

do you prefer Mk 6 or 8?

[royal totem]

I might need some help later with my build

this sibling is the unskilled one

[thick valve]

no battle meditation?

[pale prairie]

I prefer MK8. Many prefer MK6 I think you should play with both and see what works best for you

[pale prairie]

Nah couldn’t fit it in but it might be worth if you’re dropping that white ranged node at the bottom

[upper sun]

chat

night cap?

[strong gulch]

ok

[thick valve]

hell ya, i had warp speed too but prob not necessary with disrupt destiny

[thick valve]

oh wow very helpful graphic, is there a site that hosts these for all weapons?

[pale prairie]

And Mettle

[pale prairie]

I stole this from psyker Atheneum. It hasn’t been updated in a while but most of the attack strings are right

[thick valve]

nice, last question then i think im ready to actually play lol - penetration of the soul (rending on warp attacks) would be very good on inferno staff ye?

[pale prairie]

It is only slightly useful for killing carapace but not enough to warrant spending a point on it vs other stuff

[thick valve]

right on

[pale prairie]

Assail is really the only thing that would benefit enough to pick it

[upper sun]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

GAME CRASHED AGAIN

[pale prairie]

One last thing. To keep blaze away stacks on inferno staff up. Use half charges on the RMB staff for the most part. 40-50%

[royal totem]

If i dont take mind in motion should i take ghost? Or Bm or something else entirely

[pale prairie]

Ghost is extremely good

It lets you control where your peril is at easily. Gives stamina for blocking purposes and makes every toughness gen. Talent you pick better

It also isn’t a taxed node cause it’s right next to warp rider

[royal totem]

Mmmm

[thick valve]

do you think empyric resolve is required if you take warp ghost?

[pale prairie]

Only for bubble inferno builds, Electro staff, or the voids

[pale prairie]

Even bubble inferno is debatable cause inferno staff generates peril slow already

[royal totem]

Why for bubble inferno?

[pale prairie]

For comfort mostly.

[royal totem]

Ah

I havent used bubble since patch

[pale prairie]

Would make Just a Dream really strong also KD

Used to be my go to on voidstrike builds 1-2 years ago

[twilit veldt]

quick question, does lethal proximity affect anything from psyker?

[steel flame]

Nay

[twilit veldt]

not even the explosion from overperilling via crystalline will?

[thick valve]

i love anticipation for the extra dodge but just a dream does seem like the move, maybe i can swap empathic evasion for it

[pale prairie]

I would keep EE if you can. It’s a pretty useful staple

[steel flame]

Why is empathic still slept on, this is criminal

Criminal I say

[thick valve]

forgive my heresy

[royal totem]

Im trying to remember what ee does

[steel flame]

Auto dodge ranged attacks for 1s after every crit

[thick valve]

ill drop inner tranquility for it

is a 3 stam curio even needed anymore when we have the +1 stam node, and take Warp Ghost?

maybe third toughness or a HP is better

[steel flame]

I've got it on my fire gs build and 44% crit chance has me in permanent EE uptime, very silly

[pale prairie]

Yeah you don’t get much benefit cause you’ll be using your abilities a lot.

[pale prairie]

I agree that the +3 from your tree is plenty

[thick valve]

hell yeah

Krieger youve built me into a pro thanks for all the tips

[pale prairie]

Lmao it’s just a starting place and the inferno build was a group effort

[burnt frigate]

I'm finding HP to be more important now that meleeker can keep toughness capped regularly

[pale prairie]

Arguably more TDR makes toughness even better

But yeah for hitting that 200HP old threshold

[burnt frigate]

That's exactly what I was thinking. It might feel better.

[gray juniper]

Piro ain’t bad guys. He could our next hexis

[royal totem]

Really? Did you take him to auric HISTG?

[gray juniper]

Yes we played two auric

[royal totem]

Nice

[gray juniper]

I won’t lie, it’s was two Ls with decent progress into the level. That’s on me for making bad play choices on what I brought into the game. Two vent & staff psykers with experimental builds

[royal totem]

It happens i mean...its whatevs lmao

[gray juniper]

Piro hung in there up until we all folded

That’s pretty good for someone that doesn’t play auric

[royal totem]

~~ahh soon another sibling will surpass me. Im so proud

[gray juniper]

Right

Sniper gauntlet got crazier it seems

[royal totem]

Oh god. Sniper gauntlet

[gray juniper]

I haven’t seen 8+ at a time in the smaller rooms of maps

[royal totem]

I dont play auric. Im not good enough to.

[gray juniper]

Seriously. They came back so fast I was caught off guard. Killed a bunch then see there’s 5 lasers on me I’m like seriously?

[royal totem]

Damn. Thats so many

[gray juniper]

Ok so heads up if they fire and different times and you’re in the open you’re basically cooked

[royal totem]

No vet or arby to shoot snipers? Haha

[gray juniper]

No vet or Arby

We had a zealot and ogryn

[royal totem]

Ah.

[gray juniper]

It’s ok sometimes you gotta try to work around that

[royal totem]

Yeah

It happens

[gray juniper]

Ogryn was mvp trying his best to carry with anti sniper work and grenade gauntlet

[royal totem]

Very mvp

[upper sun]

bruh

[royal totem]

Have to admire an ogryn that tries

[upper sun]

purge is so broken now

[strong gulch]

felt strong

glad I took confy bubble

[upper sun]

warp ghost is keystone level

[strong gulch]

comy

[upper sun]

ye

[strong gulch]

uhhh

comfy

[upper sun]

with all the peegunners

[strong gulch]

more or bed?

[upper sun]

bed

[strong gulch]

kk

[upper sun]

this was my build

r8

[strong gulch]

I had a feeling. Glad I validated. 😭

[strong gulch]

Looks good. Nothing I would complain about.

gotta load the game to find mine

[strong gulch]

I should have BBed more.

[upper sun]

ye i loved playing ep bb

[strong gulch]

I didn't really use it much

[upper sun]

but agent bullied me out of it

[strong gulch]

lmao

When I take EP BB rendi trauma into havoc

[upper sun]

"nooo u need to do big massive unethical aoe damage"

"ok say no more"

this is so unbelievably broken

i cant believe it

[young cliff]

But can't you do unethical ape damage AND Burst some brains while your preys are cooking?

[upper sun]

no

just aoe

i just purge things

ask @strong gulch

i was holding m1 all game

[young cliff]

Shout hold M1 for BB

[strong gulch]

Ye. I had +600k and clad had +700k damage. He had shriek and I didn't.

[strong gulch]

wtf

[upper sun]

ye

[marble crater]

Don't tell them! Fatshark is listening

[marble crater]

Noob

[upper sun]

only time i blew up!!!!

[strong gulch]

Yee

[young cliff]

He blew himself up, point and laught

[strong gulch]

I almost blew up a few times ngl

[upper sun]

oh also

the psy aura "nerf" it did almost nothing

[strong gulch]

right?

[upper sun]

instead of getting 4 ults in a big mixed hoard you get 3 now

thats it lmao

[strong gulch]

Sure yes team CDR, but us?? lmao still silly

[young cliff]

Honestly it almost feel like a buff

[upper sun]

psyker feels great now

though melee on deimos with the hp buffs is a bit rougher

i think i need to swap out of carapace to flak

[gray juniper]

I have a general question. Which setting of stick sensitivity affects blitzes? Melee or ranged?

[strong gulch]

@deft stump @marble crater Controller question. 👆

[gray juniper]

Inside in game settings I mean

[rose linden]

nice class bro

[gray juniper]

Aiming BB at distance feels too twitchy

[marble crater]

I don't fucking know my sensitivity is the same for everything, problem solved

[pale matrix]

Is warp ghost not necessary on purgatus/shriek builds?

[pale prairie]

Oh it’s broken alright

[marble crater]

I don't think Warp Ghost is necessary for any build, it's just very, very nice to have, because it's a great talent. No talent is necessary

[strong gulch]

WG helps maintain peril when you have to melee or something. It also boosts toughness gen, so it's a pick or most builds imo

If you have a non warp melee and you switch to it to move or stab a big boi, you can better keep peril in the sweet zone that a lot of talents want you to be in.

[thick valve]

whats the take on By Crack of Bone for a Melee focused Scriers Gaze build?

i just did a game and it was nuts but i noticed someitmes my peril would go from like ~80->0 so quickly cus the weakspot kills quelling, which might be a bad thing??

[ripe obsidian]

How long was this mission, and what modifiers?

[strong gulch]

That also means that you don't have to keep doing mini charges or random M1s nearly as much to keep peril up from one engagement to another.

[marble crater]

48 minutes

[pale prairie]

That’s why i don’t like By Crack of Bone

[hollow jolt]

Uprising, Low Intensity

[ripe obsidian]

Oh, 48 minutes. I can't read.

[marble crater]

[ripe obsidian]

I am a dummy.

[pale prairie]

Holy shit 48 min

[thick valve]

5M damage??? what build were you playing haha

[ripe obsidian]

I just got off work. My brain is fried from reading technical documents all day

[thick valve]

i feel you

[ripe obsidian]

Let me have my dumb moments

[rose linden]

i think you know

[pale prairie]

I think battle meditation might be a better fit but I don’t know

[thick valve]

id gues inferno force staff

[pale prairie]

Inferno

[deft stump]

Wut.

[marble crater]

Plural? You are planning to have more?

[strong gulch]

I see more value in it if you are stacking things that increase peril and you start SG at higher peril. If you are actually good at managing your peril with SG, then it's likely not needed or can even be a detriment for some players.

[ripe obsidian]

My guess is purple + stims modifiers.

[pale matrix]

does KF randomly proc on daemonhosts now?

[ripe obsidian]

I am a dummy masquerading as a smart person

[pale prairie]

Hmmmm yeah those green stims

[deft stump]

I have them all at 3... 3.5 for ADS.

[thick valve]

yeah i had a nasty havoc 33 with purple heals where collective team did 5m+ dmg but all that from 1 dude is nutty

[strong gulch]

@gray juniper was asking, "Which setting of stick sensitivity affects blitzes? Melee or ranged?"

[hollow jolt]

it used to, idk if it does still

[deft stump]

I'm like Sut, I use same for both, lul.

[rose linden]

nah, this type of damage is only possible on rotten armor + healing, unironically 3x enemies with this modifier

[pale prairie]

The new trees and hp buffs on enemies mean numbers are big now

[gray juniper]

Damn yall…

[ripe obsidian]

8m total damage, so probably the rest of the team was defensive or not contributing much. Still an absurd number.

[gray juniper]

I’m going to have to play with both then come back with an answer

[marble crater]

Having different ones would annoy me way too much when switching weapons and turning, suddenly I turn slower because I switched my weapon? No thank you

[rose linden]

they cant tho, shriek + purg staff kills stuff before others can touch them

[ripe obsidian]

I hit 3m in like 35 minutes with stims + purple on the carnival map

[strong gulch]

I fecking hope not. It's no longer random, but if KF is back to proccing on non-aggro DH, then yikes.

[pale prairie]

Go another 13 min

[ripe obsidian]

This is largely true.

[pale prairie]

Oh hey Six can carry me now

[ripe obsidian]

I don't think Shriek + Inferno is really much stronger than it was before, offensively.

Just more enemies to kill

[young cliff]

When I'm meleeing with FGS I'm usually Spamming warp slashes so it's hard for me to notice the need for Warp Ghost on the peril maintaining (come to think I don't believe I use it on most cases because it feels that you already want to make use of peril generating actions) are the other benefits so good to take in ALL cases?

[deft stump]

Mhm.

[ripe obsidian]

I am not home yet. Waiting for my Lyft.

[bright summit]

They need to make inferno way less safe to use but who cares now since shriek is giga buffed and even more op now

[pale prairie]

Super meltingly hot?

[strong gulch]

dang.

uptime mod update didn't fix it for me. rip

[ripe obsidian]

?

What buff did Shriek get...?

[bright summit]

PA i

And ws buff affects it

[young cliff]

Shriek getting damage amp for fire seems like a buff to that style, since you already make lots of soulfire

[ripe obsidian]

New PA is more consistent, but not really better for Shriek.

I'd say sidegrade

[bright summit]

Having points for wildfire and IFR on non soulblaze psyker builds let's you get stupid cdr for it

[ripe obsidian]

I already had both those nodes

[marble crater]

You were able to get stupid cdr before

[pale prairie]

Yep

[bright summit]

Side grade for inferno probably but upgrade on like single target staffs

[ripe obsidian]

I could Shriek like 3 times in 10 seconds before

[bright summit]

Sorry was comparing CDR from like specifically ek to now

[ripe obsidian]

Fair

EK probably is doing better

[bright summit]

Its braindead now

[strong gulch]

Just did a mission with clad. We were both inferno. Him on shriek and me on bubble. Lots of SB theft from one another, but he did do a shit ton more than me. It like like 100k difference.

[bright summit]

I don't really like the powercreep it was extremely strong before

[ripe obsidian]

For CDR at least. Probably a bit worse with enemy hp changes

[bright summit]

I've done numerical comparisons hold on

[ripe obsidian]

I am fairly confident that Fatshark does a lot of balancing based on pick rates rather than performance with said picks.

[bright summit]

Not shriek but you get the point I think

I don't think they think about balancing at all they want darktide to be casual power fantasy dress up game

[young cliff]

Feel that the extra damage is nice, but I'm worried that we have become to bulky, hopefully I'll be proven wrong soon

[bright summit]

But yeah all the buffs this patch made ek really really stupid i can't even say it's off meta it's really that good

[ripe obsidian]

Developers care. Producers want to sell skins.

[bright summit]

Yep

Ek to ranged enemies is bully club to melee enemies

Can't believe I was finishing a 25 mins ek video and they dropped rework unannounced and ruined everything basically

[thick valve]

eh if that was true the shop would have everything for sale all the time instead of a 3 week slo mo fomo rotation

and wed have 10 arbites skins lol

[bright summit]

But if you don't know staff m1 applies suppression around its travel radius so you don't need to hit enemies to suppress them fully

[ripe obsidian]

These are valid points. I think the most meaningful to SG is the ult uptime.

[royal totem]

Are you supposed to ek m1 or m2

[ripe obsidian]

I do think EK has benefited less than Inferno or VB

[ripe obsidian]

Both.

I think the usual ratio is like 60-70% LMB to 40-30% RMB

[royal totem]

Hmmmm do i ek scream or SG

[bright summit]

Both but m1 is better by like a lot

I have builds linked

If you want m1 stuff

Here

[ripe obsidian]

I am positive there's an MBA who learned that FOMO sells more skins per week than an open shop. As for Arby, I think that's on GW not allowing skins that don't exist on models

[bright summit]

Yeah the global power boost just makes the difference between weapons bigger and it's honestly seen across all classes

[thick valve]

ah true i didnt even think about GW policing it :\

[ripe obsidian]

I prefer Shriek, but I think Monsoon prefers SG. Not sure. Both are good. Try them and see what you like

I plan to spend a good amount of time tonight and tomorrow compiling builds and explanations thereof

[royal totem]

Ok time for more shriek

[ripe obsidian]

From what I have heard, GW has a weekly meeting with FS to discuss accuracy to canon and conforming to GW's rules. I heard that third-hand, so don't take it as fact

[bright summit]

For me i play a lot of both, pre patch(still true but yk pre patch) shriek is more generalist and gives you good density scaling and horde clear but Scriers deletes specials and ranged elites and if your team comp can Frontline good you can go crazy with it

[rapid steeple]

hello siblings, has anyone noticed that crystalline will doesn't trigger properly sometimes?

been playing around with the blow up build lol

[marble crater]

Are you using Kinetic Flayer?

[bright summit]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9fbb6817-8e7c-4b10-881b-ab932628b321/updated-havoc-40-electrokinetic-braindead-shriekspam?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[rapid steeple]

I am

oh does it trigger flayer?

[marble crater]

Elite might be dying to KF then instead of the explosion

[still ingot]

looking at this makes me feel things about scriers DD

[rapid steeple]

ohhh, that's very possible

[still ingot]

girl what in the power buff did they do to us 💔

[ripe obsidian]

I am not an optimal EK player, probably. I still do well at an H40 level, but I use RMB a lot, ha. I just like zapping. Shriek makes up for that by giving me reliable horde clear.

[still ingot]

m2 is my anti big thing in front of me when we play, single target focus and used on bosses of emp shock stacks applied

[strong gulch]

Haven't tried in a live mission, but in both true solo and meat grinder, KF is proccing on a sleeping DH.

[still ingot]

qq cancelling is key to cranking the dps on it up

[royal totem]

Ty ty

[bright summit]

Description is updated too

[deft stump]

I think clutching is bad for my heart. Had to do it in Mortis on wave 6 and 9... My heart hurts now.

[young cliff]

With psyker is usually a hard task

[still ingot]

monsoon can give testimony of the genuinely unsurvivable stuff ive lived through with efficient qq'ing through crushers bulwarks etc

[deft stump]

No, classic boom vet.

[bright summit]

No don't get me wrong m2 is crazy I love it, really good against crushers and bulwarks to micro reset them and good at catching specials around corners or fast enemies, I just tell people to focus on m1 because that's most of your damage but there's a lot of complexity with m2 as well, ESPECIALLY DURING WARP UNBOUND M2 QQ GOES CRAZY

[still ingot]

^^^^

[bright summit]

I've done that too stupid ass

[young cliff]

But just toss some nades as you revive team, would assume they were used?

[still ingot]

yeah yeah love you too

[ripe obsidian]

QQ is too much work for my old bones. D:

[bright summit]

I can drop the guide honestly but I might end up making the video again

[still ingot]

but the numbers

[bright summit]

Still good without

[still ingot]

the dmg stat gains

[bright summit]

Stun and reset and lock on really good

[deft stump]

I had to solo most of it. Picking them hard when you rolled crusher, reaper and trappers.

[bright summit]

Like on shriek I don't m2 as much but Scriers you definitely should it's quite nice even on crushers bulwarks etc because of emypric shock debuff adding damage

[royal totem]

Sorry whats qq

[bright summit]

Weapon switching to another weapon and back to cancel animation

On ek your m2 does full damage on the tick your lightning stops so you can do more damage if you cancel the animation early

[young cliff]

Yep, that sounds like a hearth stopper

[bright summit]

Ok I'm going to go back and take a look at my EK script later I can publish it somewhere here once I get it updated because ek is even more overpowered now

[royal totem]

Ah ok didnt know ani cancel cslled qq

[gray juniper]

Ok so it appears that melee sensitivity affects blitz aim sensitivity

[rapid steeple]

Is wildfire worth taking on this? It feels like a pointless node unless I missed something in the patch

[still ingot]

warp charge farming with ifr, yeah

[deft stump]

Healing 'nades only do so much, lul.

[burnt frigate]

NOT WITH OGRYN GENADE BOX OF LOTS OF GRENADES OF FULL HEAL

[bright summit]

Wildfire enables IFR and souldrinker(currently bugged but it's still good since you have insane soulblaze)

[rapid steeple]

I see

[bright summit]

Its also just more soulblaze stacks on top of PC + Shriek

Pre patch you don't have points for it

Now you do

Hahahaha 6 second shriek cooldown

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, I still perform well enough. Just never gonna be the best at EK. The other big benefit of Shriek is stealing Soulblaze from other Psykers.

[bright summit]

Lol truth

[still ingot]

the patch just gave us a free shriek every 5 seconds hooray

[bright summit]

Qq is not necessary but coming from vt2 it's just a piece of tide games I like a lot

If you play ek you're probably cracked though I believe

[rapid steeple]

crazy

[ripe obsidian]

6.435 seconds at best

[bright summit]

(she was exaggerating but yeah)

[ripe obsidian]

The only staff I don't play in Havoc is Voidstrike. But I do play it a lot in Auric

[ripe obsidian]

I like precise numbers.

[royal totem]

I cant get used to voidstrike

The m2 feels awk for me

[ripe obsidian]

It's less to correct her and more because I like numbers, if that makes sense. Didn't mean to come across as rude

[bright summit]

Lol I get it

Technical stuff is nice

[bright summit]

I haven't played much vs but I will once I hit h40 new patch and if it's not rampaging

[ripe obsidian]

My reputation here is for looking at code and explaining mechanics. Technical stuff is all I have.

[tall bobcat]

So is there any way to make the lightning staff not feel bad?

Every time I run it I question why I'm not running flame or a gun

[young cliff]

Friendly nades do as much as their best is

[bright summit]

Oh my god another ek question I need to drop the m1 focused guide

[bright summit]

Yes here are the builds

[tall bobcat]

I mean I spam M1 with it

[prime elk]

Oh god is M1 psyker back 🤦‍♂️

[tall bobcat]

But I could just spam m1 with Voidstrike isntead

[bright summit]

Do you want Scriers or shriek

[ripe obsidian]

Issues from before persist. 10 base cleave is all but unusable in Havoc, and the long charge time--even with Flurry--is punishing with an aimed, fairly small projectile that needs headshots. The enemy HP buffs just hurt it more. I think Voidstrike is weaker this patch than it was before. Stronger on paper, weaker in practice. It also doesn't have a nice build path that I have found. Particularly the middle section, where you pick either LMB (weaker without EK crits), Soulblaze (fine, but not ideal), or melee attack speed into cleave. And the cleave is necessary

[bright summit]

It never left I'm aftaid

[ripe obsidian]

Voidstrike LMB has the same damage profile as EK, minus 20% crit. Or whatever the number is.

[bright summit]

It also suffers because it doesn't have an identity

Ek single target

[ripe obsidian]

So EK is the best LMB stick by far

[bright summit]

Trauma is util

And purge for hordes and elites and vs does uhhh???

[prime elk]

It definitely died for a while

[bright summit]

21 yeah

[ripe obsidian]

Inferno should be for horde clear and suppression while allies handle armored targets.

should

[bright summit]

It literally didnt I won like over 50 games in s2 h40s on m1 psyker

[bright summit]

Yeah...

[ripe obsidian]

Voidstrike's identity should be the can opener. But it doesn't do enough damage

[bright summit]

Surge stills works on it iirc

[ripe obsidian]

Long charge is fine if you actually get something for it

It does

[bright summit]

Again I'll give it a shot again on scriers wu and I'll see what happens

[ripe obsidian]

B/c it's the only RMB that's a projectile in the code. Surge doubling is only for projectiles

[tall bobcat]

How's Trauma staff these days?

[ripe obsidian]

Trauma is good.

[royal totem]

Traumatic

[bright summit]

I've won a couple with 2 m1 psyker actually lol

[ripe obsidian]

LMB EK became less popular when quell cancel died. It was always viable, albeit less oppressive than before.

Harder to do well than Inferno or Voidblast.

More decision points than just "press RMB"

I say, as an Inferno stick enjoyer

[bright summit]

True but I think as a inferno shriek user you may be underselling it

Its nuts

Last patch

[royal totem]

Best blessings on trauma staff atm?

[bright summit]

And this patch it's ridiculous

[ripe obsidian]

Quell cancel LMB EK was just dumb.

[ripe obsidian]

Fire and nexus

[royal totem]

Ok hasnt changed

[bright summit]

Doing it manually was very fun but with a macro it's just cheats

[ripe obsidian]

Inferno + Shriek? No, it's goofy as fuck. So long as your team doesn't just fall over without bubble and can prioritize specials outside of your range, it is easily the highest damage output in the game for relatively low effort.

[modest perch]

based carpal tunnel syndrome enjoyer

[ripe obsidian]

I will never pretend Inferno isn't easier than other staves

[prime elk]

Well glad I wasn’t seeing then in my games and would be great if it stayed that way

[ripe obsidian]

Well, Voidblast is maybe easier.

[bright summit]

By it I mean ek not inferno shriek lol

I know how stupid inferno shriek is

[ripe obsidian]

Ah. I have done EK LMB in H40 with decent results. Like I said, I like zap more. Triggers the dopamine.

Not gonna pretend I am an expert there

[bright summit]

Scriers ek is like a hybrid build

I m2 a fuckton

In going to rewrite the guide give me a weekend it'll be here

[strong gulch]

You still have to aim the RMB to effectively use it. Purg is more just spray.

When I have brain fog and can't decide or react "right", "normally", or speedily, purg is by far the easiest to use.

BUT I recognize that might just be me.

[rough gale]

Voidblast is fun

[ripe obsidian]

Voidblast is fun.

I do not disagree

[ripe obsidian]

I just look at my feet and spam RMB. I am a warp geyser. :D

[strong gulch]

gey

[marble crater]

Definitely not how I played Voidblast earlier

[strong gulch]

managing peril is also harder on VB vs purg

ugh

inferno

[gray juniper]

Trying very daring EK build

[marble crater]

What makes it daring?

[strong gulch]

no ER?

[marble crater]

That makes it yucky

[ripe obsidian]

I suppose I can be counted as a Gey Ser. Depends how broad the former term is. I'm under the rainbow umbrella somewhere.

[strong gulch]

love how vague that is

honestly perfect

[tall bobcat]

So am I wrong when looking at Warp Ghost and thinking it slows down your natural quell speed?

[marble crater]

No

[strong gulch]

active vs passive

[tall bobcat]

Ah so it slows down your passive speed so you have more peril overall?

[marble crater]

Passive is whatever, I don't think anyone actually relies on that for their actual peril managment

[regal pumice]

Do I need that bottom right perk to not die while in scriers gaze

[marble crater]

If you don't cast or actually press the quell key/button, your peril will decrease 80% slower

[strong gulch]

Yeah, the opposite. Pretty nice to keep peril up when repositioning or you have to keep peril up

Taking bosses with KD and no shriek might be harder with warp ghost tho.

[burnt frigate]

Anyone know if peril generation affects Just A Dream?

[marble crater]

Yeah, but how often does that last part actually happen compared to the other way around

[strong gulch]

No, you take warp unbound to keep casting at 100% peril for 10s (actually 11.5s) after SG ends.

[thick valve]

haha u just gotta pay attn to peril, i definitely have killed myself tho

[thick valve]

and you know what buff to look for so you dont cast after 12s and die heh?