psyker-class

[wind spruce]

ammo is correct dump stat on vraks

[near wyvern]

absolutely disgusting

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ff65dee-50e7-4179-8030-181dba781d8c/knife-psyker-4?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[zealous wing]

its a nearly meaningless stat, yeah

[near wyvern]

knife psyker is op as fugg

can just speedrun the game

[wraith sphinx]

yup

even more busted than pre patch

[near wyvern]

yeah you take the damage reduction talents and skate through the map without giving a dime

[wind spruce]

pygex for the love of god take lingering influence lmao

[near wyvern]

"ooh trapper or dog"; sneeze on it with shredder and it's gone

[near wyvern]

no points, you want the blue targets just for the speed boost

[zealous wing]

way i saw it is, if the 22 bullets (currently 20 due to the magazine bug) would make or break your game, then you / your team has bigger issues than an ammo dump stat

(22 vrak bullets is basically 3 FGS heavy stabs)

[wind spruce]

just dump the whole keystone for mettle then lmao

basically the same thing

[near wyvern]

no

you are still running around all the time with 13-15 stacks

even without lingering

[wind spruce]

you really arent

[near wyvern]

cause you are darting around the place like a MF

then you are not worthy of the knife

[zealous wing]

yeah knife psyker is fun

[near wyvern]

if you don't

[wind spruce]

im literally behind you

[wraith sphinx]

pygex has the warp speed subnode so I can see it

[zealous wing]

literally 30 solid seconds of sprinting if you arent also sliding or pausing for killing shit, etc

[wraith sphinx]

though unupgraded DD is just awful

[near wyvern]

nah it's fine, this build is about survival

[wraith sphinx]

I question the value of TTS on a melee focused build though

[near wyvern]

gotta make a game clip out of it

you'll see

[wind spruce]

bro its not new, its the same vraks/knife build i have videos of from like 18 months ago with the 20 rounds of buffs we've gotten and a different gun

[zealous wing]

actually i have my speedrun psyker using revolver,,, i should switch that to reconlas for better mettle proccing

and so i can actually kill something big if i end up NEEDING to

[gleaming summit]

last penance i need to 100% psyker nooo

[zealous wing]

what region?

[rigid moss]

This one is thankfully really easy to do. Get a few friends, do a BB build, have them kite it for you, done.

Is doable in one try easily

[zealous wing]

even duo is easy tbh

[wind spruce]

@zealous wing try the full send peril churn

[lapis fern]

You can probably find someone in the lfg channel. You don’t even need to finish the mission so it’s not a big time commitment especially if you get an early spawn. You just spam brain burst until dead and the other person maintains agro

It is annoying how that and the zealot one are private game only so you can’t just change your region to something low populated and run it with bots.

[honest knoll]

anyone else experiencing a bug with Crystalline Will, the new talent that makes it so you don't go down when you overload by perils.
If you have that talent and then use Scryer's Gaze to stop yourself from overloading with the Warp Unbound talent, you just instantly lose 1 wound and don't explode.

[zealous wing]

i think others have had that bug happen, yeah

[radiant mesa]

Can confirm I've had it happen too

[honest knoll]

unfortunate, I was kinda hoping I was just stupid and missed some interaction in mortis trials that made it look like that happened

[zealous wing]

yeah it kinda sucks, so i guess you choose one or the other for now

[honest knoll]

I never used the old Crystalline Will anyway so it won't impact me too much, I think that's the second time that talent or it's older counterpart has been super bugged tho lol

it used to just straight up not do anything iirc

[zealous wing]

tbh a few things are bugged so far, so im honestly surprised the hotfix was only to fix crashes, but i also get that finishing the mission is a higher fix prio than interaction issues

[honest knoll]

true true

I've also seen one only after the Bound by Duty update where someone using a health stim on another player just deletes the health stim and nothing happens but that one wasn't psyker related so I didn't ask about that one

[zealous wing]

i havent seen that myself yet, healed a few people

mightve been walking away at just the wrong time

[twilit comet]

Thoughts on this build? https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ff58085-55d9-4278-a6a7-287f4c3fc40f/the-great-soulblaze-shrieker-psyker-bound-by-duty-update

[summer prairie]

Lower average warp charge stacks than with the previous psykinetic

[pale prairie]

Presumably cause you are firing shriek more often????

[wind spruce]

Spending a lot of time at 3/4 warp nexus m8

[radiant yew]

What are the best blessings for the Electrokinetic staff?

[wind spruce]

Warp nexus/surge/warp flurry

[radiant yew]

Thank youu

[pale prairie]

Surge is great if you’re doing LMB spam but warp flurry is better if you’re hunting elites with RMB to proc Perilous Combustion and Psykinetics aura

@marble crater where’s the sound cue? Can’t hear it. I know it’s there….

[wheat seal]

what happens, help me

[royal totem]

I can necer hear a sound cue from those

[wheat seal]

I just want to play some games and everyting is reset

😢

[forest jolt]

new update and rework for 3 classes

[wheat seal]

where is the best place to find the best build, this guide still the best? https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959&searchtext=Psyker+build

[pale prairie]

Rejoice the tree reworks have occurred

[sullen sphinx]

Your sound cue is the sound of your toughness breaking, so it's all fair

[pale prairie]

Actually true I can hear that

[pale prairie]

Heavily outdated

[wheat seal]

so, which place I can look

[forest jolt]

scroll through this channel for someone who may have posted a build

[pale prairie]

What kind of build are you looking for?

[zealous wing]

updates been live for 2 days, here is the best place for replacement builds, though they might not be polished yet

[pale prairie]

Staffker, gunker, meleeker?

[wheat seal]

everything

[forest jolt]

@wheat seal here is a generic thing that could help you. Someone posted this earlier, I just changed a point or two

[wheat seal]

I was playing 5 different build on my psyker in the past

[pale prairie]

A good staffker build

[zealous wing]

i have an EK and an inferno build, if those two icons are for that

[forest jolt]

yeah

[sullen sphinx]

Also after playing new Gaze Psyker a little, feeling a little conflicted after being able to survive overheads, didn't expect being durable around

[wheat seal]

build on game lanterns still suck?

[zealous wing]

i also have a gunker build but its completely catered to my playstyle and might not help you tons

[pale prairie]

This is my meleeker build. Some adjustments could make it a gunker.

[honest knoll]

I would definitely swap Warp Splitting for Wildfire or at least drop a point somewhere to get Kinetic Flayer

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/hp-harry-potter-snape-always-stare-gif-17584635

[summer prairie]

do you even get to use assail with that b uild

[wheat seal]

let's go for this one

[sullen sphinx]

Here's mine, having fun with Greatsword and Voidblast for support if needed

[zealous wing]

my current EK build, though it has not been heavily tested

and, inferno

[sullen sphinx]

Also, not sure what causes it, but Greatsword poke now does a little more damage than I anticipated, the thing shreds Captains with ease, and it's Mark VII that supposed to be the chaff cutter

[zealous wing]

some tweaks definitelyshould be made but, i havent been using staffker so its been low prio

mk 6 has always been superior

[wheat seal]

shit update fr

[zealous wing]

wait how long has it been since you played

[marble crater]

In that clip I also can't hear them. With my sound settings I can hear them better

[pale prairie]

[wheat seal]

last time was for Arbite update

[sullen sphinx]

True, but blender one is so satisfying against the hordes so using it, and its overhead still can deal with armor as well

[zealous wing]

campaign was an arbites update thing

[wheat seal]

yes

campaign was annoying on my psyker so I was just playing with my Arbite

[zealous wing]

how much ordo you have

[pale prairie]

Opinion

[wheat seal]

not much

[marble crater]

Or it really was just lucky situations for me, I will have to play more to test, I really only did 2 missions since the update

[royal totem]

Siblings. Im down to 150k ordo dockets 🙁

[zealous wing]

you can go to krall to "personality scourge" , repick your usual stuff, and youll get the skip campaign option again. costs 50k

[plucky flax]

Its fax i saw bubble knight use mk6

[wheat seal]

where is that lol

[honest knoll]

holy based

[zealous wing]

near the commissary / commodores area, back wall

[honest knoll]

1.7k hours and I still didn't know this

[pale prairie]

Again I can hear some of them but definitely not all of them. I am wondering if the fact they are in packs and are charging at different times is fucking with the audio. Regardless I would appreciate a visual cue or much larger sounds for charging

[swift eagle]

I understand your plight sibling. I can barely keep myself above 30k dockets at any time. One must wonder why the Imperium demands us to pay to fight for the Emperor.

[zealous wing]

yeah a better visual cue would be delightful

[pale prairie]

Didn’t you know? Bubble knight retired cause he couldn’t handle the game anymore. Says it was cause of mark 6

[wheat seal]

@zealous wing goat

[plucky flax]

Fair I also heard he's a fraud youre right

[swift eagle]

Btw if you accidentally accept you can pay the barber to change your personality thing, and then it'll pop up again, and you can still keep everything the same.

[pale prairie]

Not a fraud just straight washed

[sullen sphinx]

Yep, so far, the least suicidal tactic that I found is just to charge right at them, hoping to switch them at melee, otherwise they can shred you in an instant

[zealous wing]

assail may not kill them but it does interrupt them i think

it seems to

[pale prairie]

Just dodge and slide everywhere and assume that plasma will come out of the fog and smoke at any time

[pale prairie]

I think I have seen that yes

[sullen sphinx]

I see heretics I charge at Heretics

[zealous wing]

it'll come with time

[swift eagle]

Wait the new plasma gunners are supposed to have a sound played?

[marble crater]

With how many of them spawn and how fast they fire, visual cue could be worse than all the sniper lazers

[honest knoll]

[patent steeple]

btw, I have found a way to get bonus damage from Malmentum while swinging my FGS as meleeker: spamming the special attack in melee range (the swing can kill things better than the projectile even at 0-1 charge levels)

the benefit is that I don't need to disengage/concsiously swap to assail.

[wheat seal]

these build are outdated?

[pale prairie]

There’s a quiet charge sound then when the bullet is hitting you or passing you it makes a loud kerblam sound

[radiant frigate]

time to skip assail and grab kf

[pale prairie]

Yep you can try to recreate

[radiant frigate]

gaming

[swift eagle]

Yes because the entire skill tree has changed.

[pale prairie]

The weapons are accurate though

[honest knoll]

LMAO

[zealous wing]

its from last year, so, yes

[wheat seal]

:/

so these is no guide or website/link for build?

[honest knoll]

me when I actively look for something old to complain about

[pale prairie]

The there’s gotta be a middle ground lmao

[zealous wing]

the tree has been changed and new skills added, old ones merged, moved around, everything older than 2 days ago is outdated

[pale prairie]

How about a really loud line about “SO I START BLASTING”

[zealous wing]

use games lantern

the build editor

[patent steeple]

I'd only do that if I could afford kf, and even then I would also swap my recon to Vstrike so I'd have endless ammo...

[zealous wing]

also, its been TWO DAYS bro

[radiant frigate]

me when i ask about an up to date comprehensive build list 2 days after a rework

[marble crater]

That sounds worse than vacuum capsule spam

[sullen sphinx]

Or a maniacal laughter as they charge their weapon of doom

[patent mango]

https://tenor.com/view/scary-terrifying-horror-bunny-roomba-gif-3761752394286498185

[radiant frigate]

now you're cooking

keep going

[pale prairie]

Be the pioneer! Pave the way!

[ripe obsidian]

How dare the people who make builds and guides for free on their own time not update things immediately

[pale prairie]

“SAY GOODBYE TO TOUGHNESS!”

[zealous wing]

i know right what assholes

[swift eagle]

With Deflector on FGS and Kinetic Deflection I have been using that to approach and deal with them so my other teammates don't always have to deal with them. One good thrust and they go down it feels like. Maybe two if you don't him them right. The flak helmets they have seem to make them a nuisance for most ranged weapons?

[zealous wing]

the audacity

[ripe obsidian]

I am audacious

[pale prairie]

I think it’s carapace helmets

[zealous wing]

i thought they have cara

ye

they're basically maulers with guns

[radiant frigate]

indeed (also you had a muton-related near death experience)

[pale prairie]

PLAY THE GAME FOR ME

[swift eagle]

I've heard from my friend they have flak, they take bonus damage from flak when he was testing, but might need some confirming.

[patent mango]

its interesting that since they arent a melee unit with cara helm you actually dont aim for weakspots with your guns

[radiant frigate]

build maker i need your strongest builds

[zealous wing]

part of them is flak

[patent mango]

cause maulers they get close and u just stabby em

[ripe obsidian]

But I lived!

[sullen sphinx]

You can't handle the strongest builds, sibling

[radiant frigate]

sometimes one health is all you need

[ripe obsidian]

Once it stops crashing every single mission

[patent mango]

do u have mods

[swift eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-filter-gif-3550460

[zealous wing]

supposedly they fixed it

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/unfortunately-i-died-but-i-survived-ice-age-buck-crash-gif-17916310

[pale prairie]

It’s gotta be like carapace head and flak body with unarmored shoulders

[radiant frigate]

coincidentally, you took six damage..

[pale prairie]

Yeah I had that a couple times. Lost some siblings cause of it

Almost did an auric event duo though so that was fun

[pale prairie]

I have true aim so I aim for the head anyway. The critical with Infernus seem to work better than body shots for me

[patent mango]

well i use laspistol and it does like 7 dmg on cara lmao

[ripe obsidian]

Balance in all things. Live by the six, die by the six.

[halcyon obsidian]

Is wildfire still useless after the patch?

[wheat seal]

I suck at building

Theory craft is for smart Guy

[pale prairie]

I believe in you

[wheat seal]

I just copy past

[marble crater]

Wildfire was never useless to begin with

[pale prairie]

It’s definitely more attractive now that it can be just grabbed on the way at the same time as Psykinetic aura

[ripe obsidian]

Was never useless. People just said it was because they a) didn't understand it and b) can't see its benefit on a scoreboard.

[pale prairie]

The builds operate mostly the same as prepatch. The big changes are that you can mix and match abilities and blitzes easier and that they gave us a bunch of talents to make us more tanky. perfect timing now applies to ALL DAMAGE not just warp. Brain Burst does more damage now and Kinetic Flayer procs 100% of the time on elites and specials with a 12 sec cooldown.

SG gives 20% TDR at base and toughness per second.

Warp expenditure is amazing for melee builds

Quietude now gives toughness when quelling and generating peril.

[pale prairie]

Damn if only somebody had been able to test it and collect data.

[pale prairie]

My condolences

Part of the reason I sometimes do it is cause it’s hard to get to them through the horde and the reconlas gives me some movement speed for closing/EE

[pale prairie]

For the plasma gunner

[ripe obsidian]

I did as much as I could. Alas.

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/there-goes-my-hero-foo-fighters-foo-hero-my-hero-gif-6568166440187049284

[ripe obsidian]

Wildfire did increase my special kills and my overall warpfire damage, as well as time spent at max WS stacks.

Was meaningful

[wheat seal]

I'll be back to this game when someone share some good builds

[pale prairie]

I honestly agree that wildfire was worth it on soulblaze builds. Hell I had it on my EK shriek build

[ripe obsidian]

Just make your own. Don't expect people to spoonfeed you everything.

[craggy moat]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1nq982r/look_at_me_heretics_i_am_the_burster_now/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Crazy fun looks like

[patent mango]

funny

[young cliff]

2 questions:
-Now that we can mix the blitzes, what build would favour each one of them?
-The changed to the Dueling sword made it more fair and balanced or is still busted?

[deft stump]

Still good on Vet. I still 4 hit things on my herp boom build.

[pale prairie]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1004447866250613048/1350220757657059469/Soulblaze_Yummy.gif?ex=68d65e52&is=68d50cd2&hm=beb925ec07359ecd867d18f7b6d7acb22f634dd531f78e547aad6c91ef9d5e2e&

[tepid python]

i really like the new staff skin

[pale prairie]

Busted DS

[ripe obsidian]

I steal that soulblaze fair and square.

[young cliff]

Some of us, the dumb ones, are bad at that process, we want to just krump the heretics, so we ask help

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/out-of-line-anthony-mackie-sam-wilson-falcon-the-falcon-and-the-winter-soldier-gif-21182970

[pale prairie]

We gave that person help and build suggestions/pictures but they want a written guide apparently

[deft stump]

I'll fix my builds once I'm done deciding on stuff lul.

[quasi atlas]

should you take either Perilous combustion vs Wildfire or both

[pale prairie]

This is why you are cool

[quasi atlas]

on SG inferno staff/FGS

[ripe obsidian]

BB - buffed, higher damage scaling, better KF; I did over 5k damage to bosses with KF; used to bop elites and specials
Assail - same as before, myriad pew pew, malefic momentum, clearing loose groups
Smite- >:(

[pale prairie]

BOTH

[deft stump]

Still back to... my vet needs 5 more skill points.

[pale prairie]

You want all the soulblaze

[quasi atlas]

ok that's what I thought

[pale prairie]

I know same

[young cliff]

Can I find the help you gave to him? Just need very minor mindless guidance

[quasi atlas]

doing stupid overkill damage with KF and FGS though lmao

[pale prairie]

Make sure to grab BB KF too

[quasi atlas]

I've been a KF stan for awhile

[young cliff]

So assail would still favour gunker and the old usuals for the others?

[pale prairie]

Then this patch was EATING for you

[deft stump]

It's still better than, I need 15 more skill points.

[quasi atlas]

yeah I'd argue that psyker now is as good as arbi last patch lmao

[ripe obsidian]

Yes. I would say blitz usage has barely changed

Tbh the Psyker tree wasn't changed much in terms of choice. Meleeker and gunker got great buffs. Staffker got moderate buffs

[pale prairie]

No I would not argue that lmao

[ripe obsidian]

But the general build paths are the same

[deft stump]

It's easier to grab what you want now.

[ripe obsidian]

It is true

[long saddle]

this was me with just FGS yesterday

[ripe obsidian]

But what you want hasn't changed

[pale prairie]

Yeah now it’s “so much good thing” before it was “only few good thing but so spread out”

[ripe obsidian]

Psyker was better than Arby at a high skill level. Arby is just easier to execute.

Arby is the easiest class. Psyker is, or was, the hardest. Might not be now, but I don't know.

[pale prairie]

I interpreted that as the skill tree being better. But yeah higher skill ceiling vs lower skill entry

[ripe obsidian]

Oh, yeah, the Arby tree is overloaded as fuck

[deft stump]

More, it feels like picking for arby. I need 5 more points than, need extra 10 lvls and the 5 points. Though Arby/Oggy is still on the overtuned side.

[young cliff]

Is there any new perk that both staff and gun styles would each want?

[ripe obsidian]

Both want Warp Ghost

[young cliff]

Warp ghost is that good?

[sullen sphinx]

Ogryn/Boss damage one is a solid pick as well

[ripe obsidian]

The new defensive nodes between Aura and combat ability are all very solid

[deft stump]

If you manually quell, yes.

[long saddle]

what's the benefit of warp ghost on staff builds?

[pale prairie]

Truth. I would just prefer them to remove white point nodes and just have class identity built into base stats for toughness and such. Then everyone has more points for cool talents

[ripe obsidian]

Best talent in the tree, inarguably

[deft stump]

If you don't wot.

[royal totem]

Im having trouble playing vet after this rework funnily

[ripe obsidian]

If you have space for it, yeah. I do on meleeker, but not as easily on staffker

[royal totem]

Easier time playing psyker though

[pale prairie]

If you DONT use warp rider or unstable power or warpsplitting or One with the Warp..

Than yeah ghost is optional. Maybe still want that stamina and increased toughness regen

[deft stump]

I know, I want that too. Just bake all the white/forced nodes.

[ripe obsidian]

Warp Rider, warp nexus, one with the warp, etc

[sullen sphinx]

Yep, think for staffker it's better on Voidblast/Voidstrike builds

[deft stump]

HOW?

[pale prairie]

Exactly give me 3 more talents to play with

[royal totem]

Im just not meant to be a vet i guess

[long saddle]

ye but if I'm that high all the time I'll just overload anyway

[deft stump]

Even kraks are viable now.

[ripe obsidian]

Likely. I haven't made a Voidstrike build yet.

[long saddle]

ig most of my staff builds are very staff focused and not so much melee

[ripe obsidian]

I do not mean this in a condescending way, but it is a matter of skill and comfort with peril.

I was keeping myself at like 70+ peril all the time before warp ghost. It just makes it easier

And gives me more stamina and toughness because ???

[long saddle]

no I get it, I'm not saying I pop or anything

[deft stump]

Why I'm happy they just baked in a reduced stam delay node into vet. Feels much better.

[ripe obsidian]

On my staff games with warp ghost so far, I had over 2m staff damage and under 100k melee

[pale prairie]

Yep Ogryn got better stamina regen too

[pale prairie]

HACKS

[royal totem]

The thing is...i dont really like the guns vet has so its hard for me to feel comfy

[pale prairie]

hellebore looks cool as hell now

[young cliff]

Finally, non asthmatic Veteran! He is healing!

[long saddle]

if it's not inferno I'm also running SG anyway so I like having a fuller range instead of just 50% starting line after activating SG

[deft stump]

Oggy could still be tuned down in ways, but things aren't so janked now.

[sullen sphinx]

On the other hand, you have a reason to stay low peril now as well with new perk that converts 25% of a damage into the peril

[royal totem]

Hellbore is my fav vet gun

And only that i somewhat like

[young cliff]

Imo only confident strike and rumbler are the one things needing adjustment down, Paul imo still needs some help

[deft stump]

I mean, my old recon build with memes took both. XD

[pale prairie]

They reined him in much more than fucking arbie that’s for sure

And they still complained about not getting buffs lmao

[royal totem]

Everybody always complains lol

[sullen sphinx]

Indeed, let's complain about it

[long saddle]

we're all fomo now with the choices available

[young cliff]

We complain when we get no nerfs too

[pale prairie]

Reddit?

[deft stump]

True. Paul needs a much lower CD on the special. I think more like 3-4 secs. Not 12.

[long saddle]

that's the only bad thing lol

[sullen sphinx]

Yep

[young cliff]

I think Path said 5 would be nice, imo 8 could still work

[pale prairie]

Who Psykers?

[royal totem]

The darktide reddit is a cesspool....

[pale prairie]

Exactly 12 is crazy

[young cliff]

Nope, orgyns (I want rumbler adjusted to not be busted)

[deft stump]

Ah. I was thinking 4. But I can see 5-6 to be fine.

[pale prairie]

I want to use Paul but Billy is right there

[wraith sphinx]

Has there been another bait post about psyker being too weak yet

[royal totem]

I want rumbler to be buffed

[royal totem]

I dont think so?

[pale prairie]

Yeah I was honestly happy with the nerfs. They felt reasonable and balanced while also buffing some less used stuff. Still have yet to try out my oggy but I don’t expect the build to be destroyed

[wraith sphinx]

Smh

[deft stump]

It needs hard nerfs.

[wraith sphinx]

There is always one every month or so complaining about psyker being terrible

[young cliff]

I want to use big boom gun that is fair and also balanced

[royal totem]

Nao. Hard buffs plz. I want my power fantasy

[pale prairie]

No excuses with psyker tank meta now

[young cliff]

It's in a good spot, the bleeding now makes you want to heavy attack to apply bleed, which is good imo

[deft stump]

I hold block and laugh. And take damage fron barrels.

[pale prairie]

I want to actually kill hordes instead of following the Ogryn vaporizing everything with infinite ammo

[royal totem]

Ogryns have infinite ammo?

[pale prairie]

Damn no more panic in the comms? That’s sad

[royal totem]

Oh. Im probs not playing that build

[ripe obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1004447866250613048/1295449409160478781/chiquichico-ezgif.com-instagif.gif

[deft stump]

Just make me play Zealot. The build's a mess atm.

[pale prairie]

Pfff I was only applying bleed for the DR from enemies with bleed hahaha

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/not-worthy-hail-waynes-world-gif-10000321

[ripe obsidian]

The Paul special can even stagger bosses. Is pretty silly

[pale prairie]

I am fine with reduced effectiveness but shorter cooldown

Or make it a charge mechanic like FGs

[young cliff]

It is a mini grenade, that's why I feel 8seconds is ok, it can be a nice get-out-of-jail trick

[pale prairie]

[deft stump]

Or a hold to charge up and slam.

[royal totem]

I want to try paul now

[deft stump]

And if you get interrupted, you still swing, but at a lower 'damage' value.

[spice oar]

Damm so like a channel ability?

Kinda fire

[young cliff]

Ogryn? Interrupted? What's that and how you mix those?

[deft stump]

Yeah. But actually fair and fun way.

[deft stump]

Pogryn decides to ram you.

[young cliff]

Only ogryn can interrupt ogryn

[royal totem]

the only ogryns i ever see are twin linked heavy stubber ogryns

[weak galleon]

for fucks sake.
"Great" update for Psyker, I'm 2 points short of Kinetic deflection, because I spent them on obligatory stuff I completely ignored in a good amount of my staff-focused builds.
So it's a nerf I guess.
At least "Quietitude" combines 2 previous perks in 1.

[deft stump]

So no cd, but the special is a channel. Full charge is 3 secs, will stagger anything barring BoN, quick press is just a quick mook bully stagger.

[strong gulch]

A few days ago we got a talent tree rework. They were up to date until then. They are still strong, but the community and I need time to test.

My personal testing has been stymied because I'm not well.

[ripe obsidian]

That's a take.

[pale prairie]

A frozen take

Ice cold

[deft stump]

If you get interrupted, you just quick swing.

[pale prairie]

Hmmm I like that

[ripe obsidian]

Hey, I was planning on making some build templates for different builds. Idea was picking like 20-25 mandatory talents and marking some others as optional defensive/offensive/whatever in different colors. If you want to put those in your pins when I finish

[pale prairie]

We gave build pictures suggestions and advice. Guy just wants a YouTube tutorial with a written manual

[pale prairie]

Might be the best way. People are gonna like having free points

[royal totem]

One day ill play with some people here. But the day is not today

[pale prairie]

“Free”

[celest valve]

I wish people had critical thinking.

[ripe obsidian]

People will complain about not having the minmaxed optimal build available in one click.

[wraith sphinx]

Psyker tree got pruned of trash, build making could not be simpler rn

[pale prairie]

Insanity. Cause they then complain about not being able to have mind in motion

[weak galleon]

maybe, but say, on Voidstrike I didn't need any of these talents. (not a voidstrike build here, just saying)

[royal totem]

What's critical thinking? Is it like a 10% chance to think extra well?

[young cliff]

You will get bad speed runners and you'll be thankful

[deft stump]

I would still say min cast is 0.25 or 0.5 sec. The base charge anim. Is still a decently big horde bully button. Radius, damage, stagger goes up the longer it's held.

[pale prairie]

Rending voidblast?

[weak galleon]

*voidstrike.
I still call Voidblast as Trauma.
But on rending Trauma - if I decide to make it - as well.

[patent mango]

scriers gaze gives 20% crit chance bonus to that

[strong gulch]

Sounds good. 🫡

That would be very helpful.

[thorn cedar]

MIND IN MOTION MENTIOJED

[patent mango]

I LOVE MIND IN MOTION

[pale prairie]

On voidstrike you could just go left side or melee speed to grab Warp splitting

[thorn cedar]

RAAAAH

[young cliff]

Please do sir, would be very helpful

[weak galleon]

but I dont want Channeled force, I dont like it. Nor I need Empyric Shock, really. So I'm forced into melee perks as the most valuable there, even though I dont really need them either, especially Cleave on Peril or Quell on Melee Weakspot (as voidstrike runs on low peril).
Pure Tax.

[wraith sphinx]

So pick what you like? Lol

[deft stump]

I get to just take warp splitting lul.

All the cleavage on my shards of hate.

[young cliff]

A fellow smole rock enjoyer

[deft stump]

Also, I see what they did to shriek.

No more useless tiny damage on it...

Damage reduction on enemy hits and makes them vulnerable?

[young cliff]

Damage amp is nice

[deft stump]

Fun stuff if you don't wanna chink on a soulfire build psyker.

[weak galleon]

thats the problem, there's nothing of use there for Voidstrike M2 spam itself.
Don't think I like the way it got reworked. The after-blitz talent row specifically.

[pale prairie]

Malefic momentum would work too. Regardless the pathing down to keystones is less constricted. Obviously they need to rework the talents more. Channeled force and Empyric shock are both buffs to staff damage though if you are avoiding PC and wildfire for reasons

[deft stump]

I did on my build. Never really did much with just PC lul.

[pale prairie]

Warpsplitting would be helpful on voidstrike spam

[deft stump]

Everything just dies to cleavage shards.

[pale prairie]

Nice

[strong gulch]

I do get people wanting a full tree with an instruction manual.

cough me on zealot

[pale prairie]

Ah yes the Karien special beekeeper

[wraith sphinx]

I took channeled force on my voidstrike build and it works well. Literally zero effort to fling a couple m1 attacks before charging it up

[young cliff]

Can't unsee the Disney princesses Karien an her little critters army of doom

[pale prairie]

Yeah that’s a very apt description

[weak galleon]

on transfer peril Voidstrike with Empyric Resolve, that constantly runs on very low peril? ehh.(yes, I want to plan Empyric Resolve, as I did before).

[pale prairie]

Why are you running transfer peril voidstrike if you have Empyric resolve and constant low peril?

Warp rider exists

Warp nexus exists

[young cliff]

Hey at least we have 2 build types!

[pale prairie]

You want peril edging

[weak galleon]

Kinetic Deflection with one of the force swords ranged attack block for the "get out of jail" card.
It's a Warp Flurry + Transfer Peril voidstrike, for spammability.

but I do find it funny that every talent I ignored in some of my builds got packed into one single section of the tree, so I have no choice now.
Top kek

[wraith sphinx]

My onion soup is too oniony

[mellow fox]

ew

thats just onion tea ina bowl

[pale prairie]

If you’re using deflector and KD as a get out jail free card they still work if you end up at critical peril. You just use stamina instead.

Transfer peril is pointless in my opinion if you are running ER. Should run warp nexus for crits so you can get EE, Perfect timing, or even Mettle.

Sounds like a build issue and not a problem with the tree

[ripe obsidian]

Voidstrike without Nexus or Surge makes me sad.

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/godfather-massacre-sad-gif-16810633

Those were my standbys

[weak galleon]

I didnt have that "issue" before "rework"

[deft stump]

Buzzing but in a good way?

[whole axle]

This is great what are you using for blessings

[deft stump]

They are more deadly than what people think.

[pale prairie]

FGS Shred and Unstable

Reconlas Infernus and DumDum

[royal totem]

Isnt onion soup supposed to be oniony?

[wraith sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-joke-gif-3876152

[pale prairie]

Yeah because the lower hp enemies let you get away with suboptimal builds. Now even Heresy has buffed enemy HP so cracks in unoptimized builds is showing

[weak galleon]

I didnt play heresy

[pale prairie]

Always

[ripe obsidian]

Quick Voidstrike build without Soulblaze talents, with KD and ER, and 3 points to spare.

Easy peasy

[pale prairie]

These talents are similar to what used to be there. How did you path before??? I guess I don’t understand how you avoided all these talents

[weak galleon]

wish I remember, last I logged into the game in Spring.
But since I was "maining" - well, not really maining, but started with and played most out of Psyker before - I vaguely remembered things I did not take/ignored.

and I definitely dislike the tree as far as Voidstrike goes.

for Trauma psyker, as well as SG psykers, there's definitely a massive improvement

SG especially I guess.

[ripe obsidian]

Voidstrike is probably the staff that benefits least from the new tree, sure, but it's no weaker than before.

[summer prairie]

The left and right keystones are at least one node cheaper to take

so you are basically getting those extra nodes in the middle for free

[royal totem]

I cant remember the last time i saw a voidstrike psyker

[deft stump]

Hi, my builds are a mess and I still can do stuff.

[pale prairie]

Higher player skill. Duuuuuuh

[pale prairie]

It was me /s

[deft stump]

That's a lie, it's falling cos I don't panic enough anymore.

[ripe obsidian]

You are Karien. On the tier list of player skill, it goes B, A, S, Karien

[weak galleon]

I also fucking wish we had a pre-first rework option of not removing Warp Charges on ability use.
Still miss the times it was a separate talent.

[pale prairie]

Good I was worried your heart couldn’t take the stress from all the panic.

[ashen edge]

How do you guys deal with plasma gunner? a group of them just 2 shot me in havoc. also shield went down quite quick now

[wispy bay]

That's her cardio training.

[marble crater]

So dramatic

[pale prairie]

Her tiny heart can’t take it

[ripe obsidian]

Die, mostly. They're overtuned and spawn too often, while also being difficult to see in a crowd.

[pale prairie]

The world is over. This game is so dead. Agent was right

[plucky flax]

[pale prairie]

Lurker

[plucky flax]

No u

[royal totem]

Im suddenly wishing they nerfed voidstrike into unviability.

[marble crater]

LURKER

[ashen edge]

I also can't notice the spawn decrease they said to compensate too. iron wave still coming through and they're way harder to kill with 9k+ hp now

[strong gulch]

Krieger spawned agent

[pale prairie]

Stop leering at us in chat

[royal totem]

I will not explain why. Pretty sure it would break server rules

[pale prairie]

My alt account

[ashen edge]

Basically psyker tree feels good but the relative damage right now feels worse than previous patch

[pale prairie]

I have noticed maybe one less crusher. Definitely more maulers instead

[pale prairie]

Big hp buffs to enemies

[deft stump]

But I play worse now.

[ripe obsidian]

Plus the contaminated stim modifier makes them even tankier!

[royal totem]

Rotten armor crushers makes me cry

[wraith sphinx]

I like contaminated stimms modifier. Makes enemies horrifying to fight but in a fun way

[ripe obsidian]

Adds a chance for enemies to have a stimm that is used when they are aggroed.

• Gives eye colour that reflects the colour of stimm used; red eyes for red stimm, blue eyes for blue stimm, green eyes for green stimm, yellow eyes for yellow stimm.

• Makes a fairly loud noise when used by an enemy

• Blue stimm effects:

• Carapace override, making dots inherently less effective

• Reduces Armour Damage Modifiers (ADMs):

• 0.8 ADM reduction for unarmoured, unyielding, infested and maniac

• 0.6 ADM reduction for flak, and carapace

• Reduces impact by 200%

• Green stimm effects:

• 50% reduced damage taken from Burning dot, Bleeding dot, Electrocution dot, and warp damage

• Reduces impact by 100%

• Increases health pool by 70% at havoc ranks 1 to 10, 80% from havoc 11 to 20 and 100% from 21 to 40

• Red stimm effects:

• 40% increased melee attack speed

• 90% stagger duration reduction

• Yellow stimm effects:

• Increases weakspot damage taken by 4x

• Reduces ADMs by 0.35 for all armour types

• 30% ranged attack speed increase

• 5x shots fired in a volley

• 30% melee attack speed

[wraith sphinx]

Ever seen a pack of scab ragers inject themselces with combat stims and cry out as red mist starts emanating from them? Cinema

[deft stump]

More, fam has issues with heart on both side. Fun.

[wraith sphinx]

Makes me almost sad corrupted stims weren't a weekly event like rotten armor was. Almost.

[deft stump]

I think you get maybe 1 less crusher every game.

[zealous wing]

well that bothers me

the stims affect them differently

[ripe obsidian]

And every single one is like 3 other modifiers combined

It's a brutal modifier

[pale prairie]

We are all adjusting to plasma spikey ones

[zealous wing]

see if it was like, red makes them hit us harder, blue makes them attack faster/ move faster, etc, itd make sense

this is.... weird

[deft stump]

I know. They are bs on higher than 50 ping imo.

[sturdy reef]

So POTS is good on one modifier

[zealous wing]

theres bleed over on what stims actually do something vs what another stim would do better with the mod in its category

[ashen edge]

blue make them slide throught floor while T-pose

[plucky flax]

[ashen edge]

literally cancel the animation cue

[royal totem]

They get better stims than us :3

[sturdy reef]

[chrome sail]

Fatshark imma need some more events, I spent all my currencies leveling and empowering my gear

[ripe obsidian]

Arguably. Considering rending doesn't even affect some enemy types

[royal totem]

You finished current event?

[chrome sail]

yep

[sturdy reef]

You really only care about the elites when they stimm anyway

[ripe obsidian]

Have you tried embracing Nurgle? I hear that guy has killer drugs.

[sturdy reef]

I dont think specials stimm

I havent seen them stimm

[royal totem]

Damn. Im avoiding current event

[sturdy reef]

Everything but specials and bosses

[royal totem]

That would make me a heretic

[ripe obsidian]

Specials do not stim. Elites and horde enemies do.

[sturdy reef]

Ya

Bosses dont as well

[sturdy reef]

Blue stimm burgle would be a PITA

[royal totem]

Imagine a plague ogryn on stims luls

[sturdy reef]

Ofc ragers are the junkies

[zealous wing]

honestly theres no reason to avoid the event

the only difference is, theres more captains

[royal totem]

I dun like power supply interruption or vent purge

And i dont need the materials

[zealous wing]

fair, its not too bad though, vent purge at least, with the gunners

[pale prairie]

Yikes

[zealous wing]

and, i dont need the materials either but i am a hoarder, so

[pale prairie]

[zealous wing]

(the frame is actually pretty cool too, better than the rotten armour one)

[deft stump]

Heh, yep.

[ripe obsidian]

I need to do the event at some point

[deft stump]

Red plasmas.

[pale prairie]

But the FRAME

[pale prairie]

Stay healthy

[royal totem]

Its kinda cool but...vent purge and power supply 🙁

[zealous wing]

i will carry you 🫡

[marble crater]

[zealous wing]

i've done maybe 4 missions so far

[pale prairie]

Okay that actually looks cool

[zealous wing]

various difficulties

[royal totem]

Bold to say that 😄 im very dead weight

[pale prairie]

Nice I only have 9 kills. Auric event takes no prisoners from vets and zealots shaking rust off and testing wacky builds

[steel rock]

So, I figured I would get back into the game and wondered if the smite build still holds up? 🤔

[marble crater]

But does it fit psyker?

[plucky flax]

Do you play auric now?

[pale prairie]

I collect stuff so that I can talk about how it was way back before the 6th OP class

[marble crater]

He doesn't, he is too scared

[plucky flax]

[marble crater]

I see

[ripe obsidian]

This is my current working idea for a Voidstrike + Shriek build.

[royal totem]

Hexis plays h40 onl

[plucky flax]

Tbf I'm in sedition so.

[pale prairie]

Like you ancient one

[plucky flax]

I can't talk.

[ripe obsidian]

Oops, forgot PC

Lemme fix that

[pale prairie]

Damn they brought sedition back?

[plucky flax]

Yeah just for me.

[ripe obsidian]

Fixed

[pale prairie]

Special shark son

[marble crater]

Uprising was too difficult for Agent

[plucky flax]

Is tru my Daddy is FS CEO

[zealous wing]

fire him

[royal totem]

I think game too hard. Need easier difficulties 🙁

[pale prairie]

Playing with friends is the easiest difficulty

[steel rock]

Is the Smyker still a thing?

[marble crater]

Will take some getting used to with the new tree and no longer spotting how good or bad a build is in 1 second

[plucky flax]

Karien play with me to feel more challenge.

[marble crater]

Unfortunately yes

[plucky flax]

It's too easy for her so she needs dead weight.

[ripe obsidian]

I've already made another change.

[royal totem]

This psyker is a loner. Both actual psyker personality and actually

[ripe obsidian]

Is outdated

[marble crater]

[lyric burrow]

Yes

[wind spruce]

It'd be worth taking true aim imo

[ripe obsidian]

Swapped KD for True Aim. I don't think KD is super necessary with Warp Ghost

[zealous wing]

i.... can

[plucky flax]

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, that is the change I made

[wind spruce]

Wait how did you just read my mind

[zealous wing]

i much prefer auric with someone who i know is competent

but i am starting to move to damnation QP i think

[plucky flax]

Auric is best when the team sucks ass.

So you feel like a god carrying some noobs.

[ripe obsidian]

I am actually a tech priest connected directly to this discord, and I input-read as you're typing

[royal totem]

My only friend that plays darktide is an h40 player so i have no hope of playing with friend unless i git gud

Which wont happen cuz i bad lmao

[zealous wing]

main thing is, my anxiety is way too high in auric if they ARE all idiots

[pale prairie]

4 missions spawned 13 captains??? I only get like 2 per maybe 3

It is still possible to run yes

[plucky flax]

H40 can be carried too. Karien does it for me weekly.

[zealous wing]

i gotta get used to it

[wind spruce]

It's genuinely intolerable with 2+ good players

[zealous wing]

i struggled in heresy a month ago. i was dragged straight into an auric mael and look at me now. traumatised

[plucky flax]

Yeah just nothing to do and it becomes dps race. Even h40 is like that with 2 other good players.

[royal totem]

Yeah my friend carries lmao

[lyric burrow]

Tbf h40 you can at least just not use the absurd shit, auric you'll prob still steamroll

[wind spruce]

Yeah I noticed that playing havoc today after being away for like 6 months

Snoozey

But maybe that was bc staves are snoozey

[plucky flax]

Is why I play bubble knight to feel alive

But they made bubble knight tanky now.

[ripe obsidian]

SG Voidstrike idea. Might be worth swapping Soulstealer for Warp Expenditure and focusing on a more hybrid playstyle.

[plucky flax]

So no more alive feeling.

[lyric burrow]

Psyker is very strangely durable now

[royal totem]

A real h40 carrying player now i see

[wind spruce]

You can't catch a break huh

[summer prairie]

SG knight now

[lyric burrow]

I miss not being able to get hit in havoc or i died 😔

[ripe obsidian]

And then dragged into H40 with a 4 Psyker team. >:)

[plucky flax]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1398707424759910410/Desktop_2025.07.26_-_17.43.11.07.mp4?ex=68d6c2cc&is=68d5714c&hm=ae10ab6b5dcec4f02b392c40ecb7c0db136f0a4f8e1852961e882261a3487dfd&

[zealous wing]

we did p good

[wind spruce]

The damage resist feels like it's at 100% sometime. I get in stupid position. Get out. Lost 0-2 health

[lyric burrow]

I think its partially cause tbe toughness gen is still so cracked

[wind spruce]

Is it the toughness regen capping me off idk

Ya

[plucky flax]

Why SG when you can bubble. SG gives too much personal buff it's not support build.

[summer prairie]

rotten healing armor havoc is pretty fun with all the hp buffs and rotten constantly spamming crushers/maulers/ragers

[plucky flax]

I play bubble knight to support team thanks.

[pale prairie]

It’s like we are arbie now

[wind spruce]

You just described why

[pale prairie]

Didn’t see a team in that clip…..

[wraith sphinx]

LOL

that overhead came outta nowhere

[lyric burrow]

I cant imagine what blaze trauma/purg psyker look like now

[summer prairie]

go Warp Rupture for team buffs, warp rupture knight

not even that bad

[plucky flax]

Tru

Rupture knight sounds cool.

[royal totem]

Im still busy trying to beat damnation.

[wind spruce]

It's even easier to play lol

[lyric burrow]

Yeah on the plus side i have more melee psyker options

Which is my fav build in the game so ill take it

[summer prairie]

Havoc seems to spam more stuff now, not sure if it's just rotten armor or if the special pacing was adjusted up a bit

[lyric burrow]

I haven't played havoc on new patch yet but i remember before spawns were all over the place

[summer prairie]

They definitely added a higher tier of specials pacing to havoc but I thought it wasn't active yet

[royal totem]

Game too hard

[lyric burrow]

You either got 18000 specials and 6 bosses at mission start or youd randomly get like auric tier spawns

[limpid lily]

I kinda like it tbh lol, bosses die a lot quicker now, not to mention enemies have way less stagger threshold too

[plucky flax]

How is the new DD? Does it mark blue men a lot more?

[ripe obsidian]

Bombers everywhere.

[wind spruce]

But idk if that's new this patch

[lyric burrow]

Tbh it always felt fine to me so i barely notice

[ashen edge]

Except the captain and his bullshit shield

Would be more enjoyable if they acted like twin

[pale prairie]

It seems more consistent but the range is longer too so sometimes they are far away

[summer prairie]

DD does not mark specials

[lyric burrow]

The only thing i dont like about shield is knockback is annoying and its hitbox eats your attacks not intended for it

[summer prairie]

I think it marks enemies quicker/more reliably and the distance was increased for some reason, but otherwise about the same

[limpid lily]

this is why I run Thunderhammer, to bypass the shield thresholds lol

but tbh, it's really fine

[wind spruce]

Is there a modifier in mortis trials that let's it? Could've sworn I saw a flamer get marked but I am sleep deprived

[summer prairie]

Maybe

[pale prairie]

“Bosses die fast now”

looks at thammer

“Ah a zealot player of course”

[lyric burrow]

New shroudfield also helps with zealot boss damage

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/meglepetés-gif-21774382

[zealous wing]

its also possible it wasnt a DD mark but a "final enemy batch" highlight

[ripe obsidian]

Hm. I wonder if SG LMB EK is any good. Did people do that pre-patch? EK RMB doesn't scale properly on crits, but LMB should still benefit from weakspot hits and crits.

[summer prairie]

I just did a build for it

[pale prairie]

I stopped after the quell cancel fix

[lyric burrow]

Im p sure people tried that pre patch

[wind spruce]

Ah right that's probably what it was... it was my second ever mortis run lol

[strong gulch]

Ye. People were running that. I know dom was having a good time with it in havoc.

[lyric burrow]

Staff m1 builds are usually a safe bet to be good

[ripe obsidian]

EK LMB is good because it has added crit

Voidstrike and Voidblast have the same LMB damage profile, minus the extra like 20% crit

Which makes them iffy

Inferno LMB is great for stagger, but it's a huge damage decrease from RMB unless you're macroing hard.

RMB scales damage per target for each tick--not counting faster soulblaze application.

[pale prairie]

Does inferno get Surge blessing?

[marble crater]

Nah

[ripe obsidian]

LMB Inferno with Empyric Shock would potentially be interesting, but because it's a debuff and not a buff, the only enemies that survive long enough to get value are bosses

[cosmic cobalt]

you can macro m1 to make it stronger than m2?

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-you-see-that-madness-lord-of-the-rings-gif-14720060

[ripe obsidian]

Yes. Used to be quell canceling, but that got patched out. There's a guy on NA East who only plays with macros, and his LMB was even faster than quell cancel used to be

Don't do it.

[summer prairie]

it's still worse damage than rmb, just better stagger

[cosmic cobalt]

I saw someone in gloriana that literally never do a single m2 entire game but ended up top damage lol

[pale prairie]

With Infernus?

[ripe obsidian]

His macro applies soulblaze even faster than RMB.

[cosmic cobalt]

yeah

[summer prairie]

even if does, it doesn't matter

worse AoE, no direct damage

[pale prairie]

Hmmmmmmmm

[proper sinew]

Fire

[ripe obsidian]

It has direct damage. Slightly better than first tick RMB, slightly worse than 2nd

RMB tick 1 is 12-24, tick 2 is 20-40. LMB direct damage is 15-30

[wind spruce]

Do you have to hit an enemy for channelled force to proc

[ripe obsidian]

Sorry, no, LMB default target is 20-40

My mistake

[summer prairie]

ok no ramp up

[pale prairie]

Even better

LMB inferno meta now?

[ripe obsidian]

Yes. RMB ramps up significantly.

7th tick is 50-100 damage

[strong gulch]

No this is when I apply ES to enemies you already shrieked at with inferno to make number bigger.

[deft stump]

Try straight to H40.

[ripe obsidian]

LMB also appears to have a boost_curve, while RMB does not. I do not know what that implies.

[ripe obsidian]

My hero.

[summer prairie]

Only grenade cancel makes purg faster now. Not that hard to do manually if you already have lmb autoattack. Of course if you have to do anything else, it's very difficult without better binds at least

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/wanted-bullet-curved-bullet-bending-bullet-gif-15833965

curve the SB

[wind spruce]

Lmao i forgot about this movie

[strong gulch]

It's very forgettable.

[wind spruce]

I remember thinking the premise was really cool... because I was like 13 at the time

[strong gulch]

yes lmao

[marble crater]

The premise is still really cool

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/broooo-mikhail-varshavski-doctor-mike-bruh-oh-come-on-gif-26545905

[wind spruce]

It's adequate for turn-ya-brain-off-action

Idk about very cool haha

[ripe obsidian]

@lethal folio would you potentially be able to explain this? I believe the boost_curve is used for crit/finesse scaling, but I am not positive.

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/bb5ee8f4309f1bc9bf9327d2ef59a088ca1aa5d4/scripts/settings/equipment/weapon_templates/force_staffs/settings_templates/force_staff_damage_profile_templates.lua#L722

[wind spruce]

Do you have to hit an enemy for channelled force to proc

[strong gulch]

I don't think so. Lemme check

[ripe obsidian]

Appears to be no

[lethal folio]

I think everything uses default boostcurve for power

[ripe obsidian]

Gotcha, so the RMB not having it explicitly stated is not important

[pale prairie]

Yeah appears to be not required to hit

[upper sun]

bro what the fuck is I-E

how is that a maelstrom

idc

[wind spruce]

What is

[upper sun]

idk

[strong gulch]

If the meat grinder is to be trusted, then no you don't have to hit an enemy.

[royal totem]

What modifiers is I-E

[pale prairie]

Ah true science

[strong gulch]

There is a delay tho. Takes about a second for the icon to show up.

[pale prairie]

Game has to decide if you’re worthy

[marble crater]

More Specials and Hounds, maybe

[royal totem]

Ah. Thats not that bad

[bright summit]

i've played with this guy and outdamaged him before lmao

me when i cheat with macros

[ripe obsidian]

As I begin compiling builds for the new skill tree, does anyone have requests for something I might miss? I am gonna try to do at least 2 full builds for each staff, maybe more for some, and a template with a bare minimum tree and options marked in colors. Also a couple meleeker trees, but I am not as experienced there

[ripe obsidian]

So have I, most times we've been in a game together.

[wind spruce]

Is there a delay on the primary and the secondary?

[strong gulch]

Maelstrom Mission I-E
"Waves of Specialist Enemies. Nurgle's Blessing (Enemies have a chance to get a buff that makes them tougher)."

[bright summit]

ek outdamages m1 macro inferno its true

[pale prairie]

Smyker

[ripe obsidian]

Unsurprising. Especially if you can kill first and steal the fire

[ripe obsidian]

Fine.

[ripe obsidian]

You have made me sully my hands.

The stain shall never wash clean.

[bright summit]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9fbb6817-8e7c-4b10-881b-ab932628b321/updated-havoc-40-electrokinetic-braindead-shriekspam
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f8a9d87-83d8-4177-ac6e-5e9f513a02b0/updated-havoc-40-staff-psyker-meta-electrokinetic-staff-type-build
these 2 for ek, haven't tested DDs yet but that one is also overpowered i imagine

[prime elk]

https://tenor.com/view/destroy-the-sith-star-wars-it-was-said-that-you-would-destroy-the-sith-not-join-them-gif-16486235

[pale prairie]

God that was satisfying

[zealous wing]

he didnt make you do anything

he literally just said smyker and you said fuck it, ill do it

[strong gulch]

Doesn't appear to have a delay on the M2.

[marble crater]

Your best build so far

[pale prairie]

He knows potential smykers would show up here and I would ping him/send them to him

[strong gulch]

Don't like my buff icons being silly.

will they show up?? who knows?

[ripe obsidian]

I am not a fan of PotS, but otherwise looks good. EK LMB has 100% ADMs on all but unyielding (60%) and carapace (10%), so limited value. Oh, and 60% on void shield.

[ripe obsidian]

:(

[ripe obsidian]

I am but a machine for making builds

Psyker builds, at least

Point me at anything else and you will get an abomination

[zealous wing]

shouldve made a build that looked ok to a non-experienced user but would perform like ass and get them killed

[bright summit]

on scriers it gives your melee nice value and on shriekspam i take it so my m2 qq into bulwarks and crushers actually do damage

[ripe obsidian]

Does Rending affect Unyielding? I am unsure. Gotta check.

[bright summit]

yes

unyielding carapace flak and maniac

[pale prairie]

Damn you’ve gotten toxic……heresy changes a man

[ripe obsidian]

Cool. I know it only affects like half the armor types

[ripe obsidian]

Sounds right

[bright summit]

its 4/7

[lyric burrow]

Ye

[strong gulch]

Havoc ones too.

[bright summit]

ek is geniuely disgusting i can't believe they made psyker braindead to play

[zealous wing]

dealing with smykers changes a man

[ripe obsidian]

Hold on.

[zealous wing]

yesterday/day before was fucking bonkers

[lyric burrow]

I mean purge always existed

[zealous wing]

people in here saying assail was shit, smite was superior

[verbal thistle]

always is after big update

[zealous wing]

bro also said DD was shit

[verbal thistle]

shouldve seen after ogryn rework

was so funny

[lyric burrow]

People always down play assail idk why

Its been abusrd since released

[ripe obsidian]

M2 does center mass, which is unyielding on bulwarks. And it already has 100% ADM on Unyielding and 90% on carapace

For EK

[bright summit]

oh ok good catch

[zealous wing]

he said he hated using assail, never used range, and whined about DD was shit because it always sent him across a room to get a target

[chrome sail]

Trying to do the "Power up" Penance. Anyone have and maintain Warp charges is a pain. Anyone have a build/weapons for doing this penance easier?

[lean pivot]

Smite
Shield bubble
Warp siphon
Buuut
With voidblast and illisi sword

[ripe obsidian]

I think Assail is the biggest winner for PotS. LMB EK, I can see some value. Most other things... eh.

[verbal thistle]

fire builds with in fire reborn talent

usually fire staff

[bright summit]

gonna move pots away from shirekspam but ill keep on scriers i think it still gives value from melee

assail pairs better with the scriers hyrbid anyways

[dusk timber]

pots?

[zealous wing]

penetration of the soul

[stone egret]

guys, post-patch do I need to swap blessing on the dueling sword? or old meta ones are still good (riposte and precog)

[verbal thistle]

same work

precog + uncanny/riposte

[lyric burrow]

Rending probably not worth going out of the way for if most of your stuff is already approved 1.0 adm

[ripe obsidian]

PotS is warp attacks only, so I don't think it gives melee rending

[stone egret]

ty

[bright summit]

oh right i forgot lmao

[strong gulch]

Newer DD does that SO much less tho. Like, I am not a great meleeker / gunker and don't optimize when killing a target to get max DD stacks out of an engagement, and I easily kept 15 without cruel fortune. Marks were just running into me.

Complaining about DD mark locations was once understandable and justified. Those days are gone.

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah. I think PotS is a trap for almost anything not Assail and sometimes LMB EK.

[lean pivot]

@ripe obsidian the build machine man

[bright summit]

tentatively leaving pots there for scriers for assail then

[lyric burrow]

Yeah nice for assail into like rager crowds and maybe gunners

Maulers too but your base damage isnt super great there to begin with

[strong gulch]

Getting to PoTS tho sucks for most assail builds.

[bright summit]

if i move that point thoughts on quietude vs warp ghost vs vunlerable minds @ripe obsidian for the shriekspam build

[ripe obsidian]

I call it the Melee Elite Killer. No need for defensive nodes, since you're too fast to get hit.

🙃

[zealous wing]

"too fast to get hit"

[lyric burrow]

A build with no kd? Truly times have changed

[zealous wing]

this is for smykers

[bright summit]

its probably vunlerable minds defensive talents are useless now because 5 billion tdr nodes

[ripe obsidian]

I personally think Warp Ghost is the best talent in the tree for most builds. Maintaining high peril for basically no effort, tons of extra stamina and toughness regen. I do think the regen from warp ghost probably outpaces Quietude, since it's all sources, but not positive. Would need to test. Vulnerable Minds is a nice node, but I struggle to fit it in most builds

[ripe obsidian]

The build I just posted is intentionally bad.

[late sapphire]

Have we gotten chaos wastes yet?

[bright summit]

current patch i'd say yes but after they fix souldrinker i think its probably vunlerable minds because i take double +3 stam on psyker

[lyric burrow]

Fair lol

[ripe obsidian]

In that case, so long as you have no issues maintaining high peril, Warp Ghost has more limited value

[bright summit]

peril management isn't real with new venting shriek anyways have you seen the cooldown

yeah

its a 6-8 second cooldown i want to kill myself

maybe even less

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, I posted a video yesterday. Approximately 6 second CD

[bright summit]

thanks fatshark

[ripe obsidian]

6 is as low as I could get it.

22% from curios and aura, then Warp Siphon applies to the remaining 78%, then halved from PA

[bright summit]

ok yeah that checks out

stupid fucking patch

final tree

updated

[ripe obsidian]

So 30 * 0.78, 23.4 * 0.55, 12.9 / 2 for 6.5ish

[summer prairie]

I had 60% PA combat uptime with purg

[ripe obsidian]

Looks fine to me. I personally wouldn't pick smite, and I might move one defensive node to get KF, but those are more preference than anything.

[ripe obsidian]

That's gross.

[upper sun]

sick spawns in chasm logi rn

[ripe obsidian]

New PA is not as bursty as it was before, but it's very consistent

Especially paired with free warp battery

[bright summit]

m1 smite delays poxburster detonation i take it for that

KF pick is valid ill mention it in the build

[ripe obsidian]

New KF is significantly stronger than before. The multiplier on scaling has had a huge impact

[strong gulch]

and more predictable

[ripe obsidian]

Also it doesn't pop bursters

[strong gulch]

valid lmao

[strong gulch]

I can accidental push attack and purg away now

[bright summit]

this is exclusively why i take it for

i'm a KF hater i don't like how it was random before but maybe now ill actually use it

[ripe obsidian]

Valid reason

[summer prairie]

My kf blitz damage hasn't seemingly been higher than before, the extra damage is usually wasted I guess. The cooldown should make a difference though

[fiery stratus]

Hamter

[marble crater]

@upper sun https://www.theverge.com/news/785544/microsoft-windows-10-extended-security-updates-free-europe-changes

You are so lucky

[upper sun]

HELL YEAH

wait

so i paid for ltsc for no reason

Consumers will still only get extended security updates for Windows 10 until October 13th, 2026

i have until 2032

[marble crater]

Just in time for Windows 12

[upper sun]

always skip one with windows

[elder harbor]

I like that Fatshark is trying to make perils of the warp a thing, but it still needs to do more damage

[zinc phoenix]

They were always going to do this, it’s why anyone sane just ignored their bs. They can’t afford to ditch all the orgs/consumers that definitely haven’t upgraded

[zealous wing]

tbh its fine, if it spread SB though that'd be better

[mental rock]

I think they need to stop trying to make it a thing

[zinc phoenix]

Microsoft has been doing the same thing for literally decades

[mental rock]

Just like how they outright removed loner

[zinc phoenix]

“We’re definitely gonna abandon you really truly… wait then you’ll just stop paying us??? Oh nvm, we give another year”

[zealous wing]

its feels less "trying to make it a thing" and made it less of a "trainingwheels" perk and more of a "tactical use as well as training wheels" perk

should someone center their entire build around it? no, but if you've got a spare point, you can use it with slight benefit in specific situations

[ripe obsidian]

Headsplosion is a way to justify warp attacks being super strong while also meshing with the lore.

[ripe obsidian]

Yes.

They should

Crystalline will is all that matters

[pale prairie]

I heard spare point! Give it to me!

[pale prairie]

Man if the explosion was like a 360 creeping flames……

But counted as a separate group of stacks

Finally soulblaze cap raised

[jovial juniper]

Superiority Slaughterer
Pop yourself

77% strength explosion

[mental kayak]

hi super intelligent psyker mains

i have questi9on

[ripe obsidian]

New node. Perils of the warp is instant death, but every enemy in a 30m radius immediately suffers 16 stacks of soulblaze and a heavy stagger

[mental kayak]

why is penetrating flame bad

?

[ripe obsidian]

Sorry, this is the stupid psyker chat

[mental kayak]

it's okay

[pale prairie]

Just have a teammate with revive speed curios

[mental kayak]

if you guys are stupid i'm like monkey iq

[ripe obsidian]

TL;DR - brittleness is for your team, not you

[mental kayak]

yea...

but war syphon is it okay

?

[ripe obsidian]

You get basically no value from it due to Psyker's high armor damage modifiers

[mental kayak]

i heard i have to edge perykl

to like 60% / 70%

costant

and i'm too dumb to do that

[ripe obsidian]

80%+ is the ideal. 60%+ is more realistic

[mental kayak]

XDD

i'm just bad then

okay

gotta practice

thank youù

[ripe obsidian]

It takes a lot of practice

[mental kayak]

aksià

also*

hp

or

though

curios?

[ripe obsidian]

I highly recommend using Empyric Resolve and Warp Ghost. They both help significantly with maintaining high peril without overloading

I use 2x toughness and 1x health.

You can drop Empyric Resolve once you're more comfortable managing peril. Warp Ghost is almost always great

[jovial juniper]

Soulblaze Adms are very good except against carapace
Pen Flames would only be good against carapace
The only carapace enemy that matters for it is Crushers
Crushers have 6k hp now

Also should be spawning less

[ripe obsidian]

6.5k. More in havoc. More with stims modifier.

[bright summit]

If you have a team that's willing to comp around it it can be very good

[jovial juniper]

Yeah like 9k in h40

[mental kayak]

XDDD

it's okay

i am too dumb for havoc

[jovial juniper]

16k+ with green stimm

[mental kayak]

💀

that's a scary number

stop saying it

i'm scared

[bright summit]

Having you to be the primary debuffer and enabler for your teams output options

[ripe obsidian]

Can be. But I am selfish and prefer nexus and blaze away

[bright summit]

Blaze away is so stupid

[ripe obsidian]

Yes.

This is true.

Even at half its current value it would be a must-pick.

[bright summit]

Warp nexus is stupid too, idk all inferno blessings are just so heinous I love fs balancing

[ripe obsidian]

I think rending trauma probably offers more value as a support option. Penentrating Inferno is still viable.

[bright summit]

To counter inferno staff they added infinitely healing enemies

[ripe obsidian]

But as you said, it does require some amount of team coordination

As with basically all brittleness

[bright summit]

I'm a rending truama hater because you can just qq instead of warp flurry

[ripe obsidian]

QQ is too much work for me

I am a lazy game enjoyer

[bright summit]

Vt2 raised me well

[ripe obsidian]

Inferno is about the only weapon that relies entirely on DoTs to be effective. So not a lot of other things to balance around. Most every other weapon is either burst damage or high, consistent damage. Scaling with DoTs is super swingy.

[wind spruce]

I doubt warp ghost outpaces quietude outside of ER builds that farm soulstealer kills. Quietude only needs to be generating 25.1% of your toughness to be doing more than warp ghost.

[bright summit]

If they can cleave cap it it'd be so much better

I don't think that's possible though

[ripe obsidian]

Cleave cap would probably kill Inferno entirely

[bright summit]

Range nerf

[strong gulch]

some can

[ripe obsidian]

I don't know that Quietude can reach 25% of toughness generation when put against Soulstealer, Mettle, Warp Expenditure, Souldrinker, etc.

[wind spruce]

I just have gunker brain

Cannot fathom staves

[summer prairie]

Why not both qq and flurry, it only affects the charge time anyway, qq skips animations

[bright summit]

Inferno needs to be even less safe to play to justify its output then I'm happy

Remove blaze away clearly

[ripe obsidian]

The most reasonable nerf to Inferno would probably be no double soulblaze on crit. Which, as an inferno enjoyer, would suck a lot.

Or halving Blaze Away's bonus.

[bright summit]

Like I'm actually ok having high output stuff but it needs to have a higher risk factor or higher effort on the player to balance it out

[ripe obsidian]

Bear in mind that Inferno is only really this good in high Havoc. It requires a lot of time to be effective, and in lower difficulties it doesn't get that luxury

[wind spruce]

Infinite cleave has to go. Gut shriek too. Aoe bleeds. All of it.

[summer prairie]

Purg should also be bad against maulers and maybe scab ragers

[wind spruce]

Although keep puncture FGS special combo

[ripe obsidian]

Make their default armor type carapace and that would happen

[wind spruce]

That is fair and balanced

[bright summit]

Yes but that's because it's an option that scales with density indefinitely with minimal player effort increase

You position the same vs 10 elites vs 50 elites

[ripe obsidian]

I continue to think that removing infinite cleave would kill Inferno. But I can agree with Syllogism that it's too good against heavy enemies and bosses. As it stands, Inferno is a solid to amazing pick against everything other than crushers or gunners 50m away.

[bright summit]

Also add a heal cap to purple elites

[ripe obsidian]

This plays into my issue with class and weapon identity.

[bright summit]

Dogshit modifier

[ripe obsidian]

Right now, I think most class and weapon identities are getting muddled due to Fatshark's approach to balance.

[bright summit]

You mean overpowered but like yeah

[ripe obsidian]

If everyone and everything is good at everything, what you pick starts to matter less and less

[wind spruce]

There is a lot of room between no cleave cap and inferno being firewood

[ripe obsidian]

My idea for the Psyker rework was more around the idea of meaningful choice. I don't have a blueprint worked out or anything, but stuff like low peril having high single target damage and high peril having high horde damage. Decide if having high or low peril is better for a given situation and work to stay in that range

[dusk timber]

infinite cleave is fine as long as there are drawbacks to keep it in check

[bright summit]

Honestly just gut infernos adm into heavies first and reduce stagger valued across the board in havocs first and then nerf trauma and inferno more if needed

Need like a deathwish-lite for this game

[plucky flax]

But this game is casual.

[ripe obsidian]

It goes back to the time required to get things done. That's the balance for the AoE. It takes longer to reach the point of massacre, but once you get there, you are absurd. Things like double stacks on crit or blaze away significantly lessen the impact of the low damage before scaling.

[plucky flax]

Because realm mod not allowed.

Nor any sort of custom game.

[bright summit]

(popular vt2 mod that lowers stagger valued, namely stagger 3(enemies fall to the ground) is nerfed to shit and only very limited classes can do that)

[zinc phoenix]

HP buffed crushers are definitely more of an issue

[deft stump]

Why do you think I take it even when my build is all about bees?

[pale prairie]

It’s good to see that despite patches and reworks the same discussions occur

[ripe obsidian]

I did mention crushers. D:

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/circleoflife-lion-king-gif-9855575

[pale prairie]

You take it cause you like fire and the darkness is scary

[deft stump]

Also true. Best torchlight.

Burns nasties as well.

[pale prairie]

Souls burn the brightest

[deft stump]

If not outright consumed.

[zinc phoenix]

i am swapping to trauma for havoc

unless i trust the team to not fuck it up

honestly i may just shriek and tell them to dodge

so tired of no smoke vets like krak is somehow anywhere near as effective as shriek spam