psyker-class

[pale prairie]

You’ll also notice in his video he barely gets above 1 stack of DD

I think he goes the 25 stack perfectionism too

[autumn smelt]

by the time scriers ends if you were slaying out you nearly have it back
and since you quell 50% on activation youre now back into with your damage buffs and crit and whatever else you have

[ripe obsidian]

A YouTuber spreading misinformation?!

[long saddle]

the defense part of psyker tree is so much fomo

[autumn smelt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/940733995333869688/1406687148643713085/dog.gif

[zealous wing]

its mainly a balance of, is there better shit i want

the answer is currently yes

[autumn smelt]

idk being in scriers 70% of the game at the cost of 1 talent is pretty worth that talent point

theres no taxes to get it

its right there

[ripe obsidian]

Ehhhhh, maybe. Already have loads of toughness gen over time. I want burstier generation

[patent mango]

yknow i posted my laspistol with the wrong blessing befoer i use inferno riposte not riposte dumdum

oh well

[zealous wing]

i do have it techncially, at the moment, but i didnt seek it out its just a stepping stone

im pulling some bonkers shit rn to get what i want

[sturdy reef]

The overcap peril will proc quietude

[zealous wing]

might switch aura back over as well

[autumn smelt]

slight variation of what i was using before launch but this is what i plan to use once i stop thmaxxing on zealot

[pale prairie]

No uh crit chance?

[ripe obsidian]

Elaborate. As in, continue to generate while at 100%?

[zealous wing]

read what i sent :p

im literally just fucking with shit

[patent mango]

that is pretty similar to mine ol

[ripe obsidian]

No Perfect Timing?

[sturdy reef]

Corrext

[ripe obsidian]

Perfect Timing isn't just warp damage anymore. Is all damage

[sturdy reef]

Flame farts all generate toughness wwith quietude and sctiers

[autumn smelt]

oh true it is all damage

[sturdy reef]

Cant type on phone

Ugh

[pale prairie]

He wants that BCoB 0 peril maxing

[autumn smelt]

i completely forgot we did that

[patent mango]

if you change to perfect timing it will be just what i run lmao

[ripe obsidian]

Personally, I do not care for PC on meleeker/gunker, so I would swap that.

[autumn smelt]

i dropped it cuz i noticed i was using assail way less cuz it wasnt my primary source of sustain anymore

[sturdy reef]

Basically

Anything that uses peril and you are in the SG grace period at 100%

[patent mango]

with WG i have 8 stam? lol

[sturdy reef]

Will generate you toughness

Its free real estate

[autumn smelt]

but yeah i completely forgot we changed that to all damage
i was to focused on the direct melee stuff

as if psyker needed more damage but yknow

glass cannon without the glass but more cannon

[ripe obsidian]

This is my current meleeker SG build.

[autumn smelt]

fuck my chungus life

[azure sun]

[ripe obsidian]

The amount of tanky Psyker appears to have received is a bit... silly.

[cosmic cobalt]

nothing here

[pale prairie]

So no precog but stay in SG forever?

[autumn smelt]

precog is a huge amount of damage for scriers

[ripe obsidian]

Oh, oops. Meant to swap that

[zealous wing]

heh my tree is real fucked now

[ripe obsidian]

I had it on the bottom one for Inferno SG.

Is meant to be precog for melee

[cosmic cobalt]

what perk yall run on fgs

[pale prairie]

Unyielding and carapace

Murder the ogryns

[cosmic cobalt]

i find the flak damage kinda ass for the attack speed

and it already does good boss damage

also i got 20% node

[patent mango]

hmmm

warp slash doesnt fully kill as much anymore

so im starting to use assail to cleanup after it

its pretty cool

[strong gulch]

Everytime I see Mr. E brought up here, it's always about something inaccurate or wrong about something that is either commonly known (here at least) or not too hard to check.

[patent mango]

the wicked E creature with the evil information

[gray juniper]

Just experienced random screen blackout

[strong gulch]

@ripe obsidian Are you playing?

[ripe obsidian]

I am at the office and slacking off

[cosmic cobalt]

after playing with warp ghost for a while ehhhhh

it kind annoying to assail weave with it

[long wharf]

day 2 of psyker tree changes, still good?

[gray juniper]

Marty psyker is alive 🙌

[long wharf]

that looks great, now what about the other times when you tried that and just died instead because no elite was killed?

[ripe obsidian]

Less necessary to assail weave with Warp Ghost, if the goal is keeping peril up for Unstable Power and such. If Assail is the goal, then fair.

[patent mango]

really liking assail as a clean up tool post warp slash

[ripe obsidian]

Assail is very good.

I can agree that Warp Ghost has some amount of anti-synergy with Assail if you aren't using Warp Unbound

[gray juniper]

Quit being a hater tho

[long wharf]

you'll live

[gray juniper]

As will you 💅

[gray juniper]

Just a box of plasma guns ready to blow. Nothing to see here

[thorn cedar]

its the lack of Mind in Motion that harms them

[gray juniper]

Bingo

No point of a new tree if you’re going to be imprisoned by old meta

[iron flame]

Does rework make Psyker get more access to toughness regen ? I want to play psyker but had skill issue before rework. Wondering if rework buffs them

[patent mango]

jesus

[gray juniper]

I flippin love MiM in its new position and that’s just a personal style thing

[thorn cedar]

yes

[cosmic cobalt]

i am racist against arby

[gray juniper]

“Some of them are cool”

[cosmic cobalt]

mfs have shotgun the whole match yet my ass have to kill the 12 thousands plasma gunner

not even out of ammo

[gray juniper]

This is why I’m trying assail

[azure sun]

I mean, not game-wise, but you logically could just chuck a grenade into those boxes

Set off the whole batch

[gray juniper]

You have recliner chair arbies that just hang back on their shotgun the whole game

No melee Arby n shit

[zealous wing]

"GuYs I nEeD aMmO!!!!1!1!!!" in voice comms

[gray juniper]

Funny ironic change now is I’m seeing arby users go down first/most over the matches I’ve played

[zealous wing]

idk how they do it but they do

[cosmic cobalt]

of course mfs is using castigator

[thorn cedar]

actually i noticed its almost always mace and shield users

and that checks out, theyre killing crushers about 1/3 as fast as they were before

[gray juniper]

Shield is not meta for heavy enemies

Single maul is goated arby weapon

[thorn cedar]

in auric they were more than enough, but with 2x or more health they take forever to conk down with shmace

so you better be up for blocking those hits

cant just tap them three times anymore

[wraith sphinx]

🤯 where was this

[patent mango]

uhh close to end

[thorn cedar]

arby maul doesnt care, hits crushers with its secret Stand, Electric Boogaloo and walks away

[wraith sphinx]

awesome I completely missed that

[crude flare]

I had an arby today try to yell at me as a meleeker saying I wasn't doing enough as I solo’d a monstro and a horde 💀

[zealous wing]

by that he meant you werent saving his ass from taking any damage at all, clearly 🙄

dont you know they're all oh so fragile?

[gray juniper]

After update apparently they are

Psyker mains still peaked

[thorn cedar]

im starting to believe more and more that they buffed me specifically lmao

putting my old builds together into the new tree and any new thing i can take is strictly beneficial to the playstyle i was utilizing

scriers buff is weird as always but sure, whatever, why not

wonder how they'll buff it next

[cosmic cobalt]

yeah i dont like fgs

too slow

[strong gulch]

It will confuse and amaze us.

[ripe obsidian]

Yes, unlimited toughness regen and way more damage resist. It's actually kinda silly. As Cole said, glass cannon without the glass and with more cannon

[thorn cedar]

its the dodges, man. its its own weapon

[wind spruce]

Is it anti-synergy tho? If I have assail in a build I'm going to be generating peril more often than an equivalent build which doesn't have assail, so there's arguably less chance for natural peril decay to occur

[thorn cedar]

i know we're all about wanking off Warp Ghost in here but Immaterial Focus is honestly the best fucken thing

in the new tree

[steel flame]

I gotta say lads, fire great sword stocks have never higher

[cosmic cobalt]

fgs kinda have trouble with elite

[ripe obsidian]

I would need to test, but it's a matter of assail regen rate versus peril decay rate. Does one gate the other?

[cosmic cobalt]

i find the viii so much faster

[thorn cedar]

which one you using

ah

[static vessel]

I think now is a good time for me to try psyker

[cosmic cobalt]

mk3

but the mixed horde damage is kinda bad'

[static vessel]

The tree is actually comprehendible..yay

[cosmic cobalt]

also h2 is very strong but holy shit so slow

[thorn cedar]

im a much larger fan of the vi

[steel flame]

Dammit

[cosmic cobalt]

ok the mkvi i mean

[thorn cedar]

be judicious with the push and push attack

the poke that comes out after the push attack can be heavy or light

[cosmic cobalt]

it just cant deal with mixed horde as hell as mkviii

[steel flame]

This shit slaps so hard (take 2). Only thing that can even deal damage through all the toughness Regen and damage reduction are plasma gunner spam and overheads and overheads can't even oneshot you if you don't block them

[wind spruce]

Sure, but that calculation is far from simple as it depends whether you're burst firing assails or firing on recharge. Plus what percentage of time peril decay is inactive due to another source of peril generation.

[thorn cedar]

the combo for me is assail + immaterial + warp ghost means i am feathering at 97% for full stun immunity with insane uptime and reliability

[wind spruce]

When I'm playing gunker, for example, (pre-patch) my peril is not actually decaying naturally very often at all. I'm either in scriers or weaving in assails. The vast majority of peril reduction is coming from talents plus manual quelling

[thorn cedar]

so long as i toss out one shard within four seconds after i dip below 97% i get it back

you can totally achieve this without warp ghost, but you would be dedicating shards specifically for that task

which in the past meant id sometimes only have one or two shards left when a shotgunner wave romps in

[pale prairie]

Alright any takers for event auric?

[thorn cedar]

(i do not take the recharge perk)

[patent mango]

warp ghost propaganda

[steel flame]

Gunker is so efficient at killing elites and specials that yeah, you almost always have scriers up. Peril gen was never a big issue long as you had assail

[thorn cedar]

i wanna play so fucken bad, sadly my stupid human body has to eat

[wind spruce]

@thorn cedar what peril reduction talents are you running in this thought experiment

[thorn cedar]

just warp ghost

[steel flame]

But man being able to sub in garenteed bb every 12s into gunker feels so good

[cosmic cobalt]

i just realize i have warp splitting with wrath

[wind spruce]

No BCoB, TtS or BM?

[cosmic cobalt]

am i stupid

[thorn cedar]

nope

you forgot purloin providence also

how dare you

[pale prairie]

can't be stupid you would cut right through it

[thorn cedar]

its beautiful, and perfect

[wind spruce]

Don't make me throw up

[thorn cedar]

BCoB quells way too fucken much

BM is quite solid but like

shit, dont need it

[wind spruce]

Yeah

[thorn cedar]

Mind in Motion

just tap R sometimes

literally a free action for me

with Deimos its the highest DPS and best way to anim cancel into the L1

[wind spruce]

People manually quell in scriers far too infrequently

[steel flame]

Yeah it's so funny that old psyker used to not have enough quell, now psyker can have TOO MUCH quell

[thorn cedar]

i can move and quell at the same speed some players sprint

not a joke

[wind spruce]

Exactly

Any time you're not attacking you can be moving AND quelling

[thorn cedar]

maybe now, two years later, people will finally start to respect mind in motion

[steel flame]

That's me when I play fire trauma, I'm still moving faster than everyone else despite quelling constantly

[wind spruce]

Psssh just slide

[thorn cedar]

man fuck sliding i only have so many fingers

[steel flame]

But I don't even use mind in motion

If mim got rid of casting slowdown then it would be peak

[wind spruce]

You don't have a dedicated finger for sliding?

That's literally all my thumb does

[thorn cedar]

you do want 'too much quell' with some things, but not melee psyker, who, other than with the Illisi, has a lot of trouble finding opportunities to generate Peril at will

[ripe obsidian]

I'm not saying they're bad together. Just that they could clash depending on the playstyle.

[steel flame]

I sacrificed the health of my pinky finger long ago to the slide button

[thorn cedar]

i do, but learning to slide - quell (which i can do btw, dont get me wrong) was just so boring compared to making Naruto signs while i run murderously at full speed

[wind spruce]

Pinky is dodge and sprint

[steel flame]

Yeah after quell change I had to hunt for sub 40 peril res weapons

[thorn cedar]

ye

[steel flame]

I have a 22% peril resist gs for a reason

[thorn cedar]

and like, staffker isnt gonna use BCoB, obviously

BM is for them

[ripe obsidian]

I don't play meleeker very often, so I would end up with peril decay from forgetting to assail weave or being too caught up in melee

[thorn cedar]

actually surpried they buffed BM, it was already very strong in its niche

[ripe obsidian]

You can't stop me.

[thorn cedar]

well ok you can but

[hollow current]

I'm close, Siblings.

[patent mango]

wuh? is this new

[ripe obsidian]

Likely based on internal telemetry of some sort. What % of players in what % of games at what difficulty use which talents most and least

[thorn cedar]

which idk, BM sucks at anything below Damnation because the density just isn't there

[mellow fox]

whats the dif between dueling parry and claw parry

[mellow fox]

apart form one being slower

[thorn cedar]

i dont spy on people's trees in Havoc so not sure how many Psykers actually take BM there, but almost all of them should

[steel flame]

I forgor what bm stands for

I hate acronyms

[thorn cedar]

Battle Meditation

[pale prairie]

Battle Meditation

[long wharf]

Bowel Movement

[ripe obsidian]

Very few. It's pretty niche. I dropped it because the peril loss was too rapid and I couldn't actually stay above like 50% consistently

[steel flame]

Oh ye

[patent mango]

why bm? for staffker?

[pale prairie]

Buff Mpsyker

[ripe obsidian]

To be a rebel.

[thorn cedar]

not EK staff ofc but Infernus especially just milks free procs all day

[ripe obsidian]

The problem there is that I want to be in control of my peril. Randomly dropping 10% is not ideal.

[pale prairie]

alright let's see if Plasma is easier to see in the dark instead of the fog

[ripe obsidian]

I want to stay above 70%. 80%, ideally.

[steel flame]

Bm kinda sucked ngl, really was a point trap talent. Longer you play the more you realize bm can kinda be a detriment

[ripe obsidian]

Yes.

[thorn cedar]

i aint that particular about peril level with Infernus. or i should say soulblaze in general

[gray juniper]

It’s not 😭

[cosmic cobalt]

warp ghost kinda make proccing soulstealerhard

[pale prairie]

LET ME DECIDE

[gray juniper]

Now you know how I feel

[pale prairie]

peak recon las flashlight

[steel flame]

Back when we still had vt2 skill trees bm was really really good by pure virtue that it was the only passive quelling we had. Now tho it's out of date

[strong gulch]

wat

[ripe obsidian]

This does not make sense.

[steel flame]

I have a joke but I'm not gonna make it

[wind spruce]

On the other hand running TtS, BCoB and BM is objectively hilarious. Drop warp rider for added synergy

[pale prairie]

when VT2 had skill trees

[ripe obsidian]

I have builds for that. But they're more SG focused

[gray juniper]

You guys being adamant about picking soul stealer 7.5% over quietude 10% is driving me crazy. I don’t know if it’s reflex taboo or some complex math on peril generation

[steel flame]

Wot?

[ripe obsidian]

Quietude is not 10%

It is 4%

[gray juniper]

Oh yea mb

[steel flame]

Soul stealer is much better than quietude

[gray juniper]

It’s 40% every time you max peril though

[wind spruce]

Is it though

[steel flame]

CRIT CHANCE BABY WHOOOOOOOO CANT GET ENOUGH, SMELL THAT CRIT CHANCE

[gray juniper]

Is it though?

[ripe obsidian]

Quietude is lower but arguably more consistent. Soulstealer is higher and burstier, and in Havoc you have very little downtime where you aren't killing.

[wind spruce]

Quietude works at zero peril

[gray juniper]

With new proc, you can gain 80% toughness in one peril cycle

[ripe obsidian]

How long does it take to max out peril and then quell from max? That is 80% toughness regen. Versus killing 11 trash mobs for 82.5% from Soulstealer

[wind spruce]

You don't even have to cycle just spray something with a recon at zero peril with TtS and you'll farm toughness

[ripe obsidian]

Quietude is better on meleeker and gunker. Not so great on staffker.

[steel flame]

It's mainly chunks of toughness vs toughness over time,

[gray juniper]

Sorry what’s tts?

[steel flame]

Soulstealer is much better at healing ranged chip damage

[cosmic cobalt]

PERIL

peril

[wind spruce]

Every BCoB, BM and TtS proc is a chunk of peril from Quietude

[ripe obsidian]

And currently for toughness over time there's... mettle, warp expenditure, sg, souldrinker, bubble, whatever else. No shortage.

[wind spruce]

Tranquillity through slaughter

[ripe obsidian]

Higher peril means more damage means more kills means more Soulstealer

[gray juniper]

With purge staff I can leave them cooking and regain during that cycle. If I used trauma maybe it would be different

[strong gulch]

The times I would argue Quietude over Soulstealer are when you don't have shriek available and and you're using EK.

(talking only staves)

[steel flame]

Honestly tho if I'm taking fire, soul stealer is an auto pick for me,

[strong gulch]

But that is not often

[ripe obsidian]

I would not pick Quietude over Soulstealer on any staff build. I would on non-staff builds.

[wind spruce]

Quietude was more important when we needed ways to gain toughness when masses of enemies weren't dying

[ornate hamlet]

how’re we liking the psyker rework fellas

[wind spruce]

Bc it was literally the only way (disregarding old warp expenditure)

[steel flame]

👍 👍 👍

[gray juniper]

Have you first hand tested that 0 peril procs quietude?

[wind spruce]

Ages ago yes

[ripe obsidian]

Quietude was bad then. Is good now. Just overshadowed by better talents.

[steel flame]

Melee psyker has arrived

[ornate hamlet]

though i have no clue what was changed with this character he looks pretty damn great

[ripe obsidian]

Meleeker was already arrived

[wind spruce]

How was it bad then

Wth

[steel flame]

Yes but now YouTube can argue that it doesn't exist anymore

[ornate hamlet]

is gunsyker pretty busted still?

[strong gulch]

I wonder if SoA works with ALL of quietude now. Old warp expenditure didn't proc with it but old quietude did.

[wraith sphinx]

I'm trying that our rn lol

[steel flame]

Got i hate acronyms

[gray juniper]

Ok Ty

[crude flare]

I think if I posted my build here you all would consider it a hate crime

[wraith sphinx]

Since I compulsively quell I don't actually feel much of a difference

[ripe obsidian]

As I have said again and again, quelling means lower damage. Quietude relies on quelling. You are trading damage output and other bonuses for a very small, slow amount of toughness gain. If you are only doing small quells of 10-20%, you are getting maybe 5-10 toughness back each time. Even Shriek is only going to be maybe 25 to 30 toughness gen.

[steel flame]

I only have room in brain for the 200 rogue trader acronyms xP I can't fit any more in

[ripe obsidian]

The new Quietude doesn't punish you for using it in the way the old did

[strong gulch]

No worries, refer to the pin. Print it out if needed for easier reference.

Or stay confused. I know I am.

[steel flame]

Lol

[ripe obsidian]

New Quietude is good. I just don't see it surpassing the other toughness gen nodes, except maybe mettle.

[gray juniper]

Ok this is more convincing tbh. If you’re using staff then what percent are you quelling to is an important question

[pale prairie]

All my homies hate Quietude

[crude flare]

Would y'all like to optimize my cursed build while I go to a meeting?

[gray juniper]

Not all

[strong gulch]

I maintain that I wish perfect timing and mettle were switched

[steel flame]

Anyway Potato, blazing spirit GS stocks have never been higher, not even unblocked overheads can one shot it. It just out heals fire damage and ragers, it's nuts

[wraith sphinx]

that's very specific, how come

[ripe obsidian]

IDontWantToPlayWithYouAnymore.gif to mettle

[gray juniper]

Now I have to see

[wind spruce]

Looking at quietude as relying on quelling is wrong, though. Peril gen is zero sum. If you gain the peril, it has to be quelled at some point (warp unbound aside). Every 10% peril gained is 5% toughness. It's not a large amount relative to what is achievable through other talents, but that has always been good, particularly when psyker lacked other methods of generating toughness outside of getting a kill.

[strong gulch]

I like it for EK. Probably because of my skissue.

[crude flare]

Will send in DMs, mind posting it here?

[gray juniper]

Ok

[steel flame]

@strong gulch

[ripe obsidian]

Yes, it has to be quelled. And it will be quelled. But the toughness generated was so small that Quietude was never worth picking over Soulstealer, and was only worth it on Melee/Gunker because they couldn't get full Soulstealer usage

[strong gulch]

No keystone unchained delirium. 🙏

What a gift.

[twilit veldt]

does "just a dream" reduce damage or does it just purely turn damage into peril

[cosmic cobalt]

assail moment

[ornate hamlet]

what is this build good for?

[steel flame]

Unga bunga never die melee only build that deals more ranged damage

[gray juniper]

This is what prawn made

[thorn cedar]

I took Quietude anyway because in a clutch where I'm facing way too much bullshit and have to retreat I could just build up perils by stroking my long sword and quell on the move. Its the only way to gain toughness without having to actively fight/kill something.

[strong gulch]

is a lovely meme meant to bring joy to those who delight in its horror

[crude flare]

Ty ❤️

I go to meeting now :3

[steel flame]

Call it a meme all you want you non believer

[wraith sphinx]

keystoneless psyker??????

this entire district must be purged.

[steel flame]

Don't knock it till you try it, it's basically a drug

[gray juniper]

One thing I want to say is it looks like you want BB focus but it kind of defeats itself since you said you use voidblast along with these talents @crude flare

[strong gulch]

Look what the update did to me terrible no keystone fire sword build. 😭

[gray juniper]

Why go gaze with the BB focus?

[gleaming ginkgo]

Guys, weird question, Immaterial Focus has a point put into it, is unlocked, but doesn't visibly show as 'connected'. Will the talent work, or is it a bug?

[wind spruce]

For inferno and VB, soulstealer hugely outweighs quietude, but with EK and, as you said gunker, it's generating more toughness than soulstealer is in many situations

[steel flame]

That shit is art

[strong gulch]

Click a different tab then go back to talents. It should be there.

[gleaming ginkgo]

Hero, ty

[wind spruce]

But also maybe you're right @ripe obsidian

[zinc phoenix]

what are you doing step tater?

[wraith sphinx]

I will knock it with a thunder hammer

[wind spruce]

This is assault

[wraith sphinx]

you take out a big chunk of your offensive potential by not picking any keystone

[steel flame]

All seriousness tho. It's a full send melee build, with its bread and butter in constant stagger spam from vent and warp slash spam. Low warp res sword generates 50% peril per slash so you are always at critical peril. The fire snowballs real fast in hordes and you have so much toughness gen and damage resist that nothing except overheads and plasma gunner spam can break through your toughness

[wind spruce]

Looks bad, I'm gonna try it

[gray juniper]

I wonder if no keystone vet will still be a thing

[steel flame]

Used to run that last patch, bayonet vet still lives

Still cry every night for bromentum bayonet

[zinc phoenix]

probably works fine tbh

[wraith sphinx]

nothing is stopping you from running keystoneless vet but since the tree isn't dogshit anymore there's not much of a point to it

[ripe obsidian]

EK, if you don't have Shriek and aren't getting consistent kills. But LMB on EK can (or could pre-patch) cut down trash hordes even in H40 pretty effectively for low peril cost, and RMB usually made short work of elites and specials

[crude flare]

I mainly use melee for elites and specials, with strike for mass hordes. BB is for when I pop scriers to get like 35 casts of boosted BB in 20 seconds

[steel flame]

Grenade vet was an easy havoc 40 keystone less build last patch

[wind spruce]

Stop making good points ffs

[ripe obsidian]

But it is a dead argument now anyway. New Quietude is good. It's just competing with a lot of other very good toughness gen nodes

[gray juniper]

Why not EP for the second part?

Gaze is like 25 second cooldown

[wraith sphinx]

cool that has nothing to do with what I said

[steel flame]

I'm betting it's still good without a keystone this patch

Still gotta cook vet

[wind spruce]

EP is unreliable, runs out of charges if you're spamming on a boss and doesn't boost the rest of your kit

[gray juniper]

Fair

[steel flame]

None of the keystones benefit shredder frags so there still isn't much reason to dip into keystones for it

[twilit veldt]

ok, i tried making a build for voidblast with the new talent tree and holy fuck is this funny

[woeful sigil]

wait a minute, the explosion triggers if you reset it?

[gray juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/sunnyfication-gif-20299408

[zinc phoenix]

Nah I think it’s still live. IMO if you’re staff quietude isn’t needed, if you’re not staff it’s basically mandatory

[wraith sphinx]

Not really no, not by that division

[lethal folio]

Reset it?

[wraith sphinx]

if you're assail gunkering you're better off with soulstealer instead but neither are a hard requirement

just pick any two toughness gen talents and you're good

[lunar gyro]

I feel like just assail weaving would get me more toughness from soulstealer as a bubble knight

[steel flame]

Tell me what you think. It's hard to get feedback when everyone thinks it's stupid :P.

[weary crane]

Someone left because I was running an interesting build and not just basic bubble

[wraith sphinx]

I run mettle and warp expenditure on my assail gunker build and if somehow that and disrupt destiny isn't sufficient to gen toughness I can just pop SG

since SG has been buffed yet agan to continuously gen toughness whilst also having the TDR subnode baked in

[vernal temple]

joined a havoc 29 group, 5 minutes in, we all crash and get disconnected from one another 🙄
guess it's late and time for bed

[wraith sphinx]

did you get error 2014

[vernal temple]

yup

[steel flame]

@wind spruce btw sub 25% warp resist gs used to be mandatory for the build but I'm not entirely sure that is still the case in the new skill tree. Sub 40% should be enough, I think. You needed enough on demand peril gen to instantly max out for venting shriek and to max out again after for warp cleave, warp rider and toughness dr

[wraith sphinx]

I've been getting those out the ass since the patch went live

it also takes the mission terminal like 15 seconds to load up the missions

[analog agate]

Quietude is totally unnecessary now, imo

[jovial juniper]

Free toughness

[ripe obsidian]

Yes. It is a good node competing with great nodes

[analog agate]

Psyker became tankier. No need for more toughness

[patent mango]

take every survivability talent and win

[thorn cedar]

its just a question of how you wanna reach PC

[long saddle]

I've picked the melee one for a few builds, but haven't tested it out that much

[strong gulch]

rip

perfect timing is still on attack

[swift stag]

same got disconnected three times today was sad 🙁

[zinc phoenix]

yeah its shocking how well that works

thats why i love quietude with bcob for melee, the toughness is insane

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, last night I finished like 2 games and the mission closed server-side for another 4 or so

[crude flare]

Two reasons: 1. The cooldown reduction effect you get for killing elites counts while you are under the effect so you can get scriers to full uptime in heavy elite waves. 2. The extra crit damage plus damage affects BB multiplicatively meaning more damage with higher base stats for a significant period of time

[zinc phoenix]

hot take but im tempted to dump assail on bub knight

the new plasma guys make assail feel iffy

[wind spruce]

choices

wait NVM

[steel flame]

Das pretty gooo

[wind spruce]

just pretty gooo? Challenge accepted

there really needs to be a buy x 500 option in brunts

[steel flame]

That 24% is perfect

Took me 2mil to get my 22%

[strong gulch]

If this game could stop resetting my build, that be great'

[wind spruce]

i WILL get a sub 10%

ive spent 9 mill and counting

[steel flame]

I'm not even sure that's possible with how points are allocated

[weary crane]

Havoc is so ass, literally spend 5 minutes trying to revive but it wouldn't stop spamming units so I physically couldn't get my teammates back

[wind spruce]

it should be. a grey can be purchased at 320, and theoretically you could have 80 in every stat except warp resistance at 0

[steel flame]

I think sub 10 would get you....what? 58% peril per activation?

[wind spruce]

actually you're right its not possible

because for whatever reason a 330 grey will have 280 total stat points

[wraith sphinx]

Gg fatshark

[ripe obsidian]

Fatshark math.

[pale matrix]

How much warp resistance is optimal on flame staff/shriek? worries I have too much

[ripe obsidian]

I use 60 currently

[wind spruce]

if i do one more consecrate it'll go to 80 and 23

[steel flame]

Hotdam thats sexy

[ripe obsidian]

Depends on your build and goals.

[pale matrix]

I have 47%; trying to spam soublaze as much as possible. Venting shriek lets me do that better, as does warp siphon.

[zinc phoenix]

hit escape and reenter the menu, the reset is a visual glitch

your build is still there

[ripe obsidian]

47% is fine.

[ripe obsidian]

Give me like 2 minutes. I will show you two builds. Try both and see what feels best.

[pale matrix]

ty!

[ripe obsidian]

Slightly different. I am currently using the non-Empyric Resolve one with a 60 WR staff, but I am gonna try it later with a lower WR staff.

[cedar radish]

am I missing something with Psyker tree? my peril generation is basically twice as fast as it was before patch, empowered smite cant even kill poxwalkers before i hit my cap

[pale matrix]

we run nearly the same build lol. I use the on on the left, except I drop warp ghost and flayer so I can take vulnerable minds and essence harvest

[zealous wing]

smite had an upgrade merged to base and generates more peril as base.

basically, they made smite slightly better, for everyone. faster spread for users by default, and less long term game pausing for everyone else

[cedar radish]

and thats enough to double the peril cost and it is still considered better?

[zealous wing]

well, the only one who likes smite are smite users

as someone who finds smite more a hassle to work around, personally, i see it as a win, yes

you CAN make it work though

take some peril gen talents and quell speed, take shriek or SG, stuff like that

SG would give you both a peril cull and dmg boost

if you take unbound, 10s infinite smite

[cedar radish]

I have every single peril reduction skill already, there arent many

[swift dock]

What's a good map for cliffhanger?

[zealous wing]

imma be honest, if you took them all, and its still not enough, you use smite too much

[cedar radish]

what does going from 0 to 100 and still not killing poxwalkers have to do with using it too much

[zealous wing]

smite is for CC, not damage, so it should not be your main weapon

ie, smite is for stunning things for a short time and knocking them over, or holding armour blobs still for your team to kill

then you melee

or use your secondary weapon if you use a stave

[wind spruce]

its not supposed to clear hordes

[marsh badger]

EP smite is for killing giant poxwalker hordes in 2s

[zealous wing]

no thats what the FGS special attack is for

[ripe obsidian]

KF is very strong currently. The cooldown got reduced by 20%, became guaranteed instead of a dice roll, and BB now scales multiplicatively. I was hitting over 5k with KF on bosses. As for Warp Ghost, it is probably the best talent in the tree. Makes peril juggling a breeze, gives more tankiness, gives more stamina

Vulnerable Minds is a solid pick, but not an outstanding one. Essence Harvest feels redundant with all the new toughness gen

[ripe obsidian]

This is incorrect. You can get to like 35% peril generation easily.

Which is almost 300% effective peril.

[thorn cedar]

that damage resist does not need to be there

[cedar radish]

didnt say it wanst a lot of peri lreduction

[thorn cedar]

amazing node, love it

[cedar radish]

i said there arent many buffs that give it

[wind spruce]

should be 30%

[lunar gyro]

Wasn't there a slider for peril noises

[thorn cedar]

should genuinely be 0% lmao

[wind spruce]

50%

[thorn cedar]

the stun immunity is already incredible

very easy to maintain all things considered

[wind spruce]

fk u, 100% DR

[ripe obsidian]

There are six or seven. Pretty significant

[thorn cedar]

Update:
Immaterial Focus
Now grants 100% Immunity

[zinc phoenix]

Thinks psykers can do trivially without having to blow their blitz and keystone on it 👆

[thorn cedar]

my one nitpick

[strong gulch]

Image giant poxwalkers

[thorn cedar]

TDR shouldve been above EP, Peril Resist shouldve been above WS

[ripe obsidian]

Would save me a point.

[wind spruce]

deleting these FGSs is doing my head in

the new discard UI is garbage

[gray juniper]

Ok that’s sensible. I feel like gaze used to not do that as well

[strong gulch]

Just tried gunker with some of the new stuff. Felt good even with my skissue.

I wa scared of crushers.

[crude flare]

Gaze has always buffed it, it's just with how brain burst dps scaling works now it gets crazy

[wind spruce]

your only skissue is you're too good

[strong gulch]

[thorn cedar]

here's how am do so far
deimos with uncanny shred
laspee with ... infernus, probably. actually i forget whats on my pistol

infernus desperado, apparently

who talked me into desperado?

oh right, path

if you guys havent done scriers with quietude yet for just one round, really suggest you do

[royal totem]

i.........need some advice 🙁

[thorn cedar]

not for efficacy or anything, but because its VERY funny to see your toughness bar rocket back to full since you are quelling and generating peril simultaneously with scriers active

[zinc phoenix]

Mind in motion good when reloading?

[thorn cedar]

idk ive never watched a full reload animation

[strong gulch]

warudo? also makes sense if no true aim

[royal totem]

i'm playing infernal staff psyker and i can't decide whether i should use the talent "mettle" or not

[thorn cedar]

dont have to but id say yes

[royal totem]

if i don't use it it would free up a point for Inner Tranquility or Warp Ghost

[thorn cedar]

good talent, by no means mandatory or key

[zinc phoenix]

Then why take?

[thorn cedar]

quell

[gray juniper]

It’s 2025 we’re moving away from mettle

[ripe obsidian]

Mettle is good. It's a path to Perfect Timing, more importantly.

[zinc phoenix]

Meh

[strong gulch]

You want perfect timing, so ye mettle

[zinc phoenix]

Bcob is quelling

[thorn cedar]

BCoB can suck my BCoC

[royal totem]

is maelific momentum worth it?

[zinc phoenix]

Your baby CoC?

[gray juniper]

I’m a mettle hater now since you guys shit on my dreams

[thorn cedar]

... shut up

its normal

[ripe obsidian]

For Meleeker with Assail, yes

[thorn cedar]

my TACoC

[royal totem]

but i'm not a meleeker lmao

[ripe obsidian]

Then no

[strong gulch]

If I did more manual quelling, I could see myself picking MiM. Especially with it working on guns now.

[gleaming ginkgo]

The melee and ranged DMG nodes need to be swapped, why tf would disrupt destiny's tree want melee dmg?

[thorn cedar]

look the reload thing is super cute and all but like

[strong gulch]

but also stage reloads

[thorn cedar]

you can swap to melee at any time

and reloads are staged

[ripe obsidian]

...?

[thorn cedar]

and staging reloads also makes reloads quicker

there's just

[royal totem]

ok last question Battle Meditation or no?

[thorn cedar]

never a fucken reason to be holding that fucker out the entire time

[zinc phoenix]

Because it turns you into a god tier melee?

[pale prairie]

Should be scared of plasma instead

[ripe obsidian]

Preference. I prefer no, others prefer yes.

[gleaming ginkgo]

I meant alongside all the reload speed buffs directly below it, it's just weird

[thorn cedar]

for infernus i say yes but also not mandatory

[ripe obsidian]

Right side of the tree is very melee-focused.

[thorn cedar]

'Ranged' also includes staves

[strong gulch]

skip unless you're trying to do SG with staff. even then is a maybe

[patent mango]

idk all i want from the right side is melee

[gleaming ginkgo]

Eh, I guess

[strong gulch]

I haven't tasted that fear yet

[zinc phoenix]

Plasma is WEAK

[royal totem]

ok now i have everything i want on my build

[zinc phoenix]

Until u pull out assail

[thorn cedar]

the plasma dudes are pretty unrelenting

[ripe obsidian]

It is spooky. They spawn in absurd numbers and destroy you

[zinc phoenix]

Plasma dudes single handedly fuckin murdered my love of assail

[gleaming ginkgo]

I run a mix of all sections I feel, running a melee build with assail, dome shield and warp charges

[thorn cedar]

i get a helluva chuckle though at my -20 or whatever downvoted post saying that no, actually, they arent totally mute with zero sound effects

thats reddit for ya tho

[gleaming ginkgo]

I fucking hate that they spawn in packs of like 10 sometimes

[zinc phoenix]

It’s fine if you’re a bubble boi

[thorn cedar]

you need to treat them as though they are always shooting, same as you would a gunner

[zinc phoenix]

Dump a bub on em then get stabbing

[zinc phoenix]

They pop off with like no warning, the sound is for the bullet going past 😂

[thorn cedar]

yea you only hear the wind up but its not very useful when you are hearing eighteen separate windups

[zinc phoenix]

The gun doesn’t light up or anything

[thorn cedar]

so you shouldnt expect to 'react'

just act

[ripe obsidian]

Isn't it great that there's a ranged elite that:

• spawns as often as shotgunners
• instantly melts toughness
• reduces toughness regen by 80%
• fires approximately once per second
• has very quiet audio cues
• blends in with trash mobs
• does health damage through toughness (unsure on this one, could be mistaken)

[thorn cedar]

always be sliding

[zinc phoenix]

Also if they spawn behind you it’s gee gee 😂

[gleaming ginkgo]

I have to get used to trading dmg for perils now, that catches me off-guard sometimes

[zinc phoenix]

I had two behind me and they merked me while I was dealing with a crusher mob in a mael

[swift stag]

sliding or just blow em up 😛

[zinc phoenix]

Very painful

[strong gulch]

I will taste the fear now

[swift stag]

praise the omnisiah and have faith he will cleans your corruption

[zinc phoenix]

It’s so painful they made assail easy to access for staff users only to make assail ass

[gleaming ginkgo]

Also, how do you unlock image perms for this channel?

[zinc phoenix]

Can’t help you there, I am an ancient 😂

[thorn cedar]

keep chatting

[gray juniper]

What’s your favorite color and sign Cornelius?

[gleaming ginkgo]

Fair, only wanted to see reactions on the build I'm currently running to see if I can hit better breakpoints or optimize better

[zinc phoenix]

I love that they added plasma troopers, they’re a great baddie

[gleaming ginkgo]

Sign?

[thorn cedar]

ye im a fan

anything to counter gold toughness

[zinc phoenix]

Once the issues are ironed out it’ll be awesome

[gray juniper]

Just teasing you

Like astrology

[patent mango]

i just wanna b able to actually hear the plasma guys then its gonna be peak

[gleaming ginkgo]

I'm a Libra...?

[gray juniper]

Nah I love getting shot from behind with no warning at all

[gleaming ginkgo]

Normal psyker chat interaction

[gray juniper]

I especially love thinking it’s the vet on the team then take a point blank hit

[thorn cedar]

idk i don't find it that difficult

[thorn cedar]

first two matches was like waaaaaaah

but now i just pretend theyre always shooting forever and its fine

[strong gulch]

turns out I should be afraid of myself because brain fog is bad

[gray juniper]

Lmao T-T-T-TRIPLE COMBOOOO

[patent mango]

difficulty wise i've gotten more used to it but im kinda just not really reacting to their attacks im just like spam sliding or smth lmaooo

[thorn cedar]

thats what you do

or back behind cover

[patent mango]

i'd really ra ther them b more reactable instead of needing to go into dance mode

[thorn cedar]

also like

dunno for your lobbies

but oh my god please fucking TAG

[zinc phoenix]

I’d like a visual cue too

[patent mango]

tagging is uh yeah theres fog so its just spam tag every sec

[gray juniper]

Breakdancing for survival. I thought we’d get passed this

[zinc phoenix]

So I can tell which one is gonna f me up

[thorn cedar]

no wonder we cant fucken see them we have one active tag between four people

[royal totem]

i'm just always dodging

[patent mango]

heard plasma gunner sound from somewhere? time to spam dodge lmao

[zinc phoenix]

Also trauma with the new tree goes comically hard

[patent mango]

idk i find snipers way more fun to interact with

but they arent bad other than lacking audio stuff

[pale prairie]

[half turtle]

does souldrinker work like fire reborn does where it procs off of any enemy who dies while on fire

or do you have to actually kill them with fire

[swift stag]

is the twins mission avalible I would like to see if I can solo them xD

[patent mango]

yes

[verbal thistle]

mods or campaign

[swift stag]

bet

[patent mango]

check story path screen

[verbal thistle]

or did they fix them?

finally.

[patent mango]

fixed

its in the normal mission terminal

bottom right for button

[gray juniper]

Cool

Havoc practice in a way

[strong gulch]

I almost did. I saw them yesterday. Never in big groups. I was about to fight some but my brain fog got so bad that I couldn't understand my UI at all. So maybe tomorrow I can be terribly murdered of them instead of doing it to myself.

[pale prairie]

I think looking at them the big problem is the large groups and the fact the windup is very quiet. The actual plasm boom is when it’s hitting you or shooting by you.

[strong gulch]

The code is supposed to be the same for both. There is a server issue that makes kills with SB on the enemy inconsistent if SB isn't the thing the kills it.

[pale prairie]

Yeah I am exhausted today but still trying to get used to new build

I think on balance fight them in vent purge as opposed to lights out. They are a tiny bit more visible.

[strong gulch]

I'm gonna BB the plasma nerds when I'm less sick.

[half turtle]

boo but also that explains why i almost never saw >40% crit rate even though my build should stack to 42.5

[zinc phoenix]

Tricky to do unless you a have a tall character

[strong gulch]

jump tech

[zinc phoenix]

These boots don’t hop!

[fair spruce]

frens

how does this work?

primary attacks from a force attack will give it +6% damage taken, every time it's hit?

[pale prairie]

As you LMB stacks build till you reach 5

[fair spruce]

okay, how about the damage taken

is that from you, only for primary force staff attacks?

[pale prairie]

Yes it stacks

[fair spruce]

from you, for any damage source?

[pale prairie]

It’s total warp damage

[fair spruce]

warp

does the team benefit?

[pale prairie]

So any warp attack. I don’t think so

It didn’t used to give me a sec

[fair spruce]

rgr, thank you for the info I would've never deciphered that tooltip

[zinc phoenix]

Oh man, that’ll make for a great meme vid

[fair spruce]

I thought it could be like skullcrusher

[fair spruce]

you lay stacks, the whole team gets to benefitr

[zinc phoenix]

I have no idea how it works but if it works the way you think it’ll be very hilarious until the hotfix

[pale prairie]

Hmmmm nothing mentioned there

@ripe obsidian @strong gulch you guys know if Empyric Shock lays a team debuff or just specific to the caster?

[strong gulch]

It's a stacking debuff. So only affects the enemies hit with your lmb.

[fair spruce]

is this the new name for ranged fire immunity

[strong gulch]

iirc it's team because it's a debuff

[fair spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-yeah-nice-bite-lip-amazing-ungh-gif-15649426

[pale prairie]

Hmmm so support psyker in a team of Psykers?

[zinc phoenix]

[strong gulch]

not new

[fair spruce]

well different tooltips describe ranged fire immunity different ways

like the gun blessing etc

just making sure this one fit that bill

[pale prairie]

It has been on the tree for a while just got moved around a bit in the rework. The Empyric shock problem is that most things die by the time you get the 5th stack on there except for bosses or certain elites. But you do you Cousin

[weary idol]

bosses and certain elites

aka enemies that you as a staff psyker suck at killing anyways

[strong gulch]

pretty much

and you wouldn't really RMB / M2 them anyways

EK LMB spam is the exception, but yeah

[fair spruce]

okay first glance of new talents and I have already built the ultimate peril tank

you may now point and laugh and ridicule

[zealous wing]

peril management may be a problem for you

[fair spruce]

I'm seeing if I can get to the 40% reduction

I used that to great effect with smite hold duration

[zealous wing]

if you allow melee at all, stretching for By Crack of Bone would help

[strong gulch]

Empyric shock might be worth it on havocs with EK when you have to LMB because an enemy is either far away or suppression and stagger resistant so you need EE to engage.

so niche

[fair spruce]

I usually run as tough as auric maelstrom, havocs are less fun for me unless I've got my squaddies in a dedicated group

but any info is appreciated

[zealous wing]

basically, in this tree, you've got blocking causes peril, damage causes peril, and your passive quell is down to 20% speed (slow), so if you smite, and get hit, you're a bit done for, though smite will help you avoid overload while using it

[fair spruce]

psucker is my least played

[pale prairie]

This obsession with bone must stop

[fair spruce]

not that I haven't killed a heretic or two

oh and to give you an idea of how much I like veteran, I don't have just one, I have two

a male and female

and both are rank one underwear models for the cosmetics I buy them

[zealous wing]

lol

valid

[fair spruce]

anyways any info is appreciated

[zealous wing]

for some cursed viewing, my current berserker tree is going well

[pale prairie]

I don’t think you realize how proud of you I am for the lack of BCoB on this

[lapis fern]

With the perks that increase warp damage with higher peril, what’s the peril sweet spot where you can do the most amount of damage/attacks without having to constantly lower peril before going kaboom

[zealous wing]

literally dont have the points

it was 10% range dmg or bcob

[pale prairie]

Surprised you dropped mettle but it makes sense

[pale prairie]

80-90

[zealous wing]

yeah mettle is gone because im not using reconlas anymore, so spamming into a horde for speed isnt viable anymore

[pale prairie]

90+ when you become pro

But I run 80-90 cause I have Just a Dream

[zealous wing]

i try to stay at least 60-70 if possible, so i can still assail sudden disablers or gunners etc

[ripe obsidian]

Should be a team thing. Not positive, but I see no reason it would be only for the caster

[zealous wing]

but if im at 90 thats fine too

[pale prairie]

Yeah that’s what we concluded

It’s a debuff

[ripe obsidian]

It is

[zealous wing]

after all, SG lets me spam assail anyway

ALSO yes i got MM back

it was very missed

fgs special horde clear gonna be a bit more deadly

just a casual 25% more damage

should help with the plasma bois

[strong gulch]

@zealous wing I did a round of gunker. Are you proud of me??

[zealous wing]

fuck yes i am

did you die

[strong gulch]

no

[zealous wing]

even more proud

[strong gulch]

I did explode 2 times because brain fog

[pale prairie]

So proud

Best super potato

[zealous wing]

thats ok, i also exploded on gunker, it happens

[strong gulch]

So I guess my team didn't let me die even though I tried.

[pale prairie]

Don’t worry the patch notes and hexis convinced me to drop gunner resistance for revive speed

[strong gulch]

honestly tho

[pale prairie]

It’s very nice now since it helps with fucking everything related to dragging teammates back up

[steel flame]

@wind spruce how it do

[strong gulch]

with a lot of us trying no KD

revive speed makes sense

especially since it actually counts more revive scenarios

[zealous wing]

yeah especially a clutch revive

[pale prairie]

I just need the penance

[zealous wing]

i havent had the chance to, havent played much, but i imagine it will help tons

[pale prairie]

How was my Hexis impression?

[strong gulch]

I can help.

[zealous wing]

so many clutches ive seen fail or have failed because the res was slightly too slow

[lapis fern]

I also dropped some of the gunner resistance perks. Still get shot by them once in a while but not enough to take up 3 perk slots. Think I did stamina regen and revive speed on the 2 I replaced.

[zealous wing]

i dont NEED the revive penances

i NEED the bestiary ones

[pale prairie]

Yeah since I grabbed every fucking DR node. It makes sense to drop KD and gunner resistance

[zealous wing]

cant get them if the team kills everything

[pale prairie]

Wait you finished this already?

Damn just a week

[zealous wing]

no, but i play on lower diffs so i can catch newbies and dumbasses and still fly through if im the only one left, or if they quit. heresy will be joining this once i actuall fucking play the game, damnation wont be long behind

[lapis fern]

I want to just farm the hell out of the really low difficulties for the finish 100 games with no downs but on the other hand people who play that difficulty probably just got the game

[zealous wing]

i've succeeded one damnation clutch, and failed one, so im not ready to carry such a task yet

[zealous wing]

how many do you need

[gray juniper]

Can you explain this so I can skip reading?

[lapis fern]

72 left after a bit over 200 hours

[zealous wing]

revive speed works on cliff hangers, unnets, rescues, revives

[gray juniper]

Not bad

So that’s how some people get me out the net instantly

[wind spruce]

Anyone know how I can fix my mouse sliding onto my second monitor while im in game

[pale prairie]

Basically revive speed helps with rescues pickups and nets now

[wind spruce]

just started happening rip

[zealous wing]

3 curio with revive speed, you'd be up before my slide is over

[gray juniper]

Brother, idk about 3

[lapis fern]

If it also affected your own revive/pickup it’d be insane

[gray juniper]

I’m living out my tank payker fantasy

[zealous wing]

not necessary but im running 3

[pale prairie]

Change mode to full screen?

[steel flame]

Could always toss the second monitor out the window

[pale prairie]

Visual mode

[pale prairie]

Why? We are immortal now

[wind spruce]

i tried that, its already on full screen

[gray juniper]

Toss a coin to your Witcher 🪕

[wind spruce]

and i turned it to window and back, no change

[pale prairie]

Damn that’s weird

Got any mods that affect it?

[zealous wing]

the only thing i can think of is a setting getting reverted to default, but, i only use one monitor, so, i literally have no idea

[wind spruce]

I'm trying your build

So this is your fault

[lapis fern]

Even if it was windowed it should still lock the mouse to the active window unless they alt tabbed/pressed the windows key

[gray juniper]

I went black screen so hard earlier I had to turn off the system to stop it

[steel flame]

Gotta know the detes, what curses have I wrought upon you?

[pale prairie]

That’s how mine works but his is haunted now

[strong gulch]

I believe in you.

[wind spruce]

The no keystone build

[lapis fern]

People do that?

[wind spruce]

But with a gun bc inferno can go suck an egg

[lapis fern]

Try voidblast staff. Been using it for 3 days now and I’m in love

[gray juniper]

It’s definitely more versatile

[steel flame]

Oh the ranged slot is just there as window dressing, I don't actually use it, or need it

[wind spruce]

Are you using smite for the peril

[steel flame]

Nope

[wind spruce]

Lmao

[steel flame]

Just pathing through smite

[wind spruce]

Just spamming special huh

[zealous wing]

... why choose smite for pathing

[wind spruce]

FFS

I reset pc and its still happening 🙁

[steel flame]

It's literally an unga bunga melee build only, no keystones no blitz

[zealous wing]

literally either other blitz is better for emergencies

[strong gulch]

no only sword smash

[steel flame]

Somebody gets it

[lapis fern]

Only thing I can think of is verify game files in steam, check video drivers, and check if there’s a windows update.

[gray juniper]

So what are you actually suing for something hammering you far away?

Pocket vet?

[wind spruce]

its not PEAK unga bunga though

[zealous wing]

dying i guess

[wind spruce]

cos shriek

[steel flame]

Sword

[gray juniper]

Dawg

[zealous wing]

...

what difficulty are you using this on

[gray juniper]

Lmao

[wind spruce]

havoc

[gray juniper]

Stop it

[zealous wing]

not you the other one

[wind spruce]

we're talking about the same build though

[zealous wing]

then yes, stop it, please, save yourself the agony

[lapis fern]

What havoc level though

[steel flame]

Havok, maelstom, auric

[zealous wing]

it literally just needs a few small changes to actually be effective

like, pick BB or assail, instead of smite

[wind spruce]

gotta do something to keep ourselves entertained

[lapis fern]

Until you’re in the same lobby

[pale prairie]

Damn didn’t realize somebody let the martyrdom zealots in here

[wind spruce]

extra fun

[steel flame]

Absolutely do NOT use it on havoc with stagger resist modifiers, you will eat dirt

[zealous wing]

yeah talk about liabilities

[pale prairie]

I think I saw that build earlier today. They turned a corner and got crushered 15 sec into match

Then left

[strong gulch]

If it's constantly sliding (and making your camera move around), you can try unplugging and replugging in the mouse. Also check for debri stuck in the laser.

doubt that's what you're experiencing tho

worth a shot

[willow hazel]

laser?

[gray juniper]

Bro I saw an ogryn get melted at the opening of silo cluster

Idk what happened

[covert juniper]

Just read the crystalline will rework and that’s funny as hell

[strong gulch]

I used to steal that ball.

[elfin grail]

laser... ball?

[zealous wing]

suipsyker

[strong gulch]

So oddly heavy.

[zealous wing]

right!?

i definitely took them out a lot, idk if i ever stole one, probably did

[pale prairie]

Nerfs man /s

[gray juniper]

But did they really?

[pale prairie]

You can just replace it with a boiled egg yolk

[pale prairie]

Not huge maybe like 10% Dr and 10-15% damage reduction for the swing bully club build. It’s my build so I haven’t tried it yet to see if it’s noticeable

[steel flame]

Unless there is a stagger modifier warp slice and vent shut down shooters and the build has enough Dr and Regen that the only range that can hurt you anyway is snipers and plasma gunners, besides the fire will take care of the shooters before you get to them most of the time anyway

[zealous wing]

until it doesnt

[gray juniper]

Ok so you’re using the ability at least

[steel flame]

Well yeah, that's the whole point of having a 22% warp resist greatsword

[pale prairie]

Hehehehehe this is funny

[steel flame]

Sadly I can't call it a havoc build truly because half the modifiers fuck your stagger in the ass

[zealous wing]

i didnt think we'd see a build worse than mine today

[winged violet]

did peril gen get much worse? for voidblast

[zealous wing]

but here we are

[zealous wing]

i dont believe so, worse in which direction

[winged violet]

oh my staff has 61 warp resist woops

[wind spruce]

bruh im nearly 2k true level, let me meme a little bit

[zealous wing]

mostly teasing but also concern for teammates

[wind spruce]

@steel flame i added warp slice and charged strike

also why do you have empathic evasion, seems bad

[zealous wing]

crit means invulnerable to bullets

[wind spruce]

yeah but we only have FGS to proc it

[zealous wing]

oh you

fuck if i know why other guy chose it

probably thinks the melee crit is enough to save you from a reaper cluster

[steel flame]

Warp slice is terrible why?

[wind spruce]

MEME

special + shriek = STACKS

[steel flame]

Slice doesn't proc fire

[zealous wing]

which, to be fair, sometimes it is, but if theres no horde to clear you're really gambling

[wind spruce]

WTF

it procs fucking bleed

[steel flame]

Yeah but can't proc blazing

[wind spruce]

incredible

[steel flame]

It's annoying

Regardless, special attack is still aces for staggering everything and generating peril

But warp slice is a dead blessing

[wind spruce]

i also swapped EE and souldrinker for perfect timing and +10% melee damage node

[steel flame]

You do you

[wind spruce]

dont be like that

[steel flame]

No I'm serious

[wind spruce]

tell me im wrong

[steel flame]

Original build is built upon crit chance, blazing spirit and undying amounts of regen

[wind spruce]

fine ill put souldrinker back on

[steel flame]

Eh

How did the original build do?

[wind spruce]

yeah its good fun

[steel flame]

Honestly with how much damage it does 10% more melee damage feels overkill

[zealous wing]

yeah keep the 15% from PT

though the melee one will help with crushers and such also

[wind spruce]

it'll hit some breakpoints vs big guys

[steel flame]

Still working on a more permanent solution for crushers to be sure

[zealous wing]

if you're gonna make a bonk build, make a feckin bonk build

[ripe yacht]

What're the desired blessings on an inferno staff? Blaze away?

[zealous wing]

not supposed to be hit anyway

[wind spruce]

its a warpfire bonk build!

plus look at this thing

its beautiful

[steel flame]

I could cry

[pale prairie]

Why did you tell him

[steel flame]

Fair

[pale prairie]

And warp nexus

[wind spruce]

dont u bully me bc ive been away for 8 months

[ripe yacht]

Danke, just wanted to double check. Coming back & I thought that was weird.

[pale prairie]

He was gonna cue up to havoc and get dumpsters

It was gonna be so funny

[wind spruce]

Jokes on you, im gonna do that anyway

[zealous wing]

to be fair thats already happening / going to happen anyway with this shit

[pale prairie]

Yeah but it’s more funny when you panic in game chat asking where’s the fire on my sword

[zealous wing]

like, comparatively, im less worried about my build being ass

it could be MUCH worse

[pale prairie]

You’re build is getting there. It s pretty good now

Don’t REALLY need the subnodes on assail but that’s a comfort thing

[wind spruce]

@steel flame zazy you goober. you had BCoB

only take quick shards with assail

[zealous wing]

right, very least i dont NEED the extra cleave but im used to them working a certain way

[pale prairie]

Accept that the enemies have more HP. It’s over

[wind spruce]

piercing shards is unneccesary bc of warp splitting

[zealous wing]

warp splitter

[steel flame]

Bcob is what?

[wind spruce]

piercing shards gives +1 pene and warp splitting gives +0-2

[zealous wing]

why not both, huh?

[pale prairie]

And???? You’re the one with piercing shards

[wind spruce]

by crack of bone. peril reduction when killing with melee

[steel flame]

Oh that, yeah I guess I can remove that

[zealous wing]

if im at maximum peril post SG i want to OBLITERATE

[pale prairie]

It’s the “hey I have ghost so peril management is easy so why don’t I also grab BCoB so I have to peril manage again by getting a crazy low WR sword”

Master class

[steel flame]

It's a hold over from last patch

[pale prairie]

Yes it needs to be changed

[zealous wing]

its more, i am trying to find a good balance where hordes keep my peril about 60-80 specifically so i can turn around and fight the inevitable big thing that shows up

[thorn cedar]

I see it as Warp Splitter being better between the two, but you can take both because Warp Splitter will boost off the new base of 3 instead of 2.

[wind spruce]

is this for melee soyker? what ranged?

[zealous wing]

BCOB is too much, BM is too little, but, it is what it is

[wind spruce]

yeah warp splitting is definitely better

[zealous wing]

vraks infauto, FGS. boss damage high DPS and horde clear

[wind spruce]

you only have to be above like 13% peril or something to get the +1

[pale prairie]

Yeah as of now there really isn’t anything that can do it well but I mean if you want SG for a very long time it works

[thorn cedar]

They do synergize but the question is if two talent points is worth 1 to 3 more cleave and yeah I say no, but still, it's something.

[wind spruce]

usually not because assail has limited flight time

[thorn cedar]

ES + WS + EP Assail can hit 10 targets. Very funny and highly unlikelym

[wind spruce]

so unless you really need an unnoticeable amount of additional horde clear use the point elsewhere

[steel flame]

Oh no I remember why, it's just enough quelling for warp slice spam

[wind spruce]

ahhhhhhh

[pale prairie]

[steel flame]

For the life of me I couldn't remember, Im at work

[wind spruce]

if youre spamming special into hordes you might not need warp splitting (not that it really matters)

[steel flame]

I spent hours putting the thing together, crack was the most consistent way to stay in the 90% zone between warp slices so I could use it on demand for stagger

It's a stagger tool and peril gen, any damage it does is a bonus

[pale prairie]

Hexis over here just looking at heretic ass all the time

[zealous wing]

even if i did remove ES where should the point go you think?

[pale prairie]

Wherever you want. You just don’t need it there

Warpsplitting has your back

[zealous wing]

i had another blessing on the gun, and then i realised how often the monsters go after teammates and make headshots hard to land

because they flee

[pale prairie]

I have noticed that too. It’s weird. It’s why I switched to shred

[zealous wing]

they fear us sibling

[pale prairie]

I dunno it feels like I am being ignored

I don’t like it. Then next moment I am fighting a crusher swarm in a corner

[zealous wing]

not as many calories?

[pale prairie]

Ai director is odd

[pale prairie]

“Predators in the wild target the sick, lame, and injured of the herd first…”

[wind spruce]

one of the damage resistance nodes could be good

or true aim

[zealous wing]

it would be interesting if they had some sort of targeting system. "this persons targeted by x creature, this person isnt targeted at all. send unit B here" kind of thing

[pale prairie]

He only shoots asses

[wind spruce]

or warp expenditure

wait no lol

[zealous wing]

these are cannibals tho

[wind spruce]

lingering influence

for sure

[zealous wing]

probably

[pale prairie]

Yeah lingering would be nice

[zealous wing]

yeah the elevator rides killing it suck

[wind spruce]

lingering influence would be better than the 10% ranged damage node by far

[pale prairie]

No

10% is fun

[wind spruce]

TRUE

[pale prairie]

Assail AND Gun? Come on

[zealous wing]

what is my purpose if not to melt the things that scare my stave-wielding siblings

[wind spruce]

actually having DD up is stronk though

[pale prairie]

I mean look at that. So peak lmao

It’s been so long of psyker having shit white nodes I am enjoying them

[pale prairie]

You can have both

[wind spruce]

soulblaze looking at these nodes feeling crushed 😭

[thorn cedar]

Perfectionist and Cruel Fortune or bust

[zealous wing]

all i know is i am NOT getting rid of the faster shard regen

i am far too brain-off with assail patterns it'd kill someone

[wind spruce]

Quick shards is gud

3s recharge too slow

[thorn cedar]

i find it wasted

[pale prairie]

Mind in Motion

[wind spruce]

Weave more

[zealous wing]

honestly concerned about how the less cleave will affect brain-off mode

[willow hazel]

I dont think it's needed unless you are running assail + vent

[thorn cedar]

weave less

[zealous wing]

i dont generally weave

[pale prairie]

I am not using them as often now with ghost

[raven mountain]

If you're using it IN melee, then the blade itself connecting to the head of chaff will give you back the peril, so you can spam it infinitely.

[zealous wing]

its for special targeting