psyker-class

[warped hollow]

I think smite is solid suopport still

[zealous wing]

it was a good extention

i will acknowledge

[fossil snow]

does anyone else like to use smite for the push at the end?

[zinc phoenix]

We are by far the highest dps highest cleave class and not one of the classes that can give gold toughness. Support isn’t really the goal 😂

[warped hollow]

Endlessly staggering with smite gives breathing room

[zealous wing]

and honestly as a front liner, i hate when someone smites a horde to stun, it throws off my timing, and makes me move more and cleave less at once

[warped hollow]

Inferno staff fixes the rest

[zinc phoenix]

Endlessly killing with soulfire gives even more

[jovial juniper]

Yes we know smite is strong

[ripe obsidian]

Also, for whoever asked, plasma gunners appear to have 1900 base hp in Damnation+

[jovial juniper]

Yes we know EP smite is unethical

Don't worry about it

[warped hollow]

Who says anything about ethics

[zealous wing]

and yes, we will abandon you to the 5 crushers you decided to stunlock on a corner

[zinc phoenix]

👆

[jovial juniper]

I mean

[zinc phoenix]

Smyker death is always funny

[jovial juniper]

Crushers nowadays are high priority target

[zealous wing]

smyker death is the only death you can never not laugh at

[jovial juniper]

6k health

[warped hollow]

Crushers are easy to dodge at least

[zealous wing]

yeah but the smykers got them handled

[jovial juniper]

Better go help or deal with them as 3 people instead of 4

[zealous wing]

the smyker lured them into a deadend room for us :D

[zinc phoenix]

I’m honestly ok with dealing with them with three people

[ripe obsidian]

Feels slightly like bullying.

[strong gulch]

A lot of people do not like smite enough to lobby or mission dodge.

[zinc phoenix]

I do like the transition of crusher to mini boss status

[zealous wing]

same

[jovial juniper]

Sprint dodge also works on plasma

[ripe obsidian]

I mostly wanted to test how effective all my stamina is in lieu of KD

[warped hollow]

That's crazy

Mission dodging is toxic

[zealous wing]

so is smiting

[zinc phoenix]

Smite is really annoying to play with and near zero value add

[zealous wing]

in our opinion

[zinc phoenix]

You are spreading out all the mobs which lowers the dps of the entire rest of the team

[strong gulch]

Smite can be a very strong tool. However...

Smite is often misused and has a big impact on other player's experiences. If it's used to perma stun enemies so people don't get to play and those enemies are CCed in a bad position or spread out or if you are slowing the team down by lagging behind just stunning stuff, people will leave the game, barrel you, not res you, etc. The CC also doesn't allow "on dodge" blessings and talents to function for you or your teammates. Parry is also out.

Because of the way Smite ticks and spreads, it's very good at getting the last bit of damage of an enemy's health even if other players did most of the damage. It also is an enabler for the rest of the psyker's kit and snowballs A LOT. So the way it scales in high density with little effort is absurd.

A lot of smite users also don't learn how to dodge or manage CC immune enemies.

A culture of lobby or mission dodging smykers has formed because of this.

[zealous wing]

smite is just, i see the fucking flicker of it, i get away from that player as quickly as possible

[zinc phoenix]

I start pushing bursters at them 😂

[dusk wren]

true i should make a smite build

[quasi atlas]

i hardly ever see smykers

[warped hollow]

Having played with, and played as a smyker,i like them around

[quasi atlas]

in AM

[strong gulch]

If someone is playing in a way that makes the game super not fun, I am not obligated to play with them.

[zealous wing]

its annoying as all hell to have to kill the 50 trash mobs while they're standing still and blocking the fuckin hallway to where the ritual is

[zinc phoenix]

About half of psyker I run into on auric are smite brains. In havoc it’s super rare outside of the low 20s

[strong gulch]

That goes for other classes too.

[warped hollow]

Not my problem

[zealous wing]

ESPECIALLY annoying if i just activated SG, and im trying to go after something before my peril makes me lose my 20% speed boost

[jovial juniper]

Not a good idea

💀

If smite jumps to the burster near you

[zinc phoenix]

I’m not committed to mission success after I see one

[jovial juniper]

You're gone

[warped hollow]

The only issues I've had playing smyker is accidently getting a demon host

[zealous wing]

smykers deserve to be barreled off gloriana

[zinc phoenix]

I also absolutely let the boss clap a smyker. It’s hilarious watching them try to smite it to death

[zealous wing]

i cant even bother blocking smykers, though, because they're everywhere

[ripe obsidian]

Whaddaya think for my last node? I am debating between these 3. The -10% peril gen node is quite nice, now that I am testing it.

[zealous wing]

i save the blocklist for shroudfields and infiltrators who dont play as a teammate

(or actually toxic people)

[strong gulch]

Not every player with smite is bad or annoying. btw.

We are specifically talking about the ones who perma smite everything.

[zinc phoenix]

Og node imo

[zealous wing]

true, yes, that is what a smyker is

[warped hollow]

Lmao, unlike them, i now what I'm doing. I will pull out my bossing weapon

[zinc phoenix]

Does og node work with soulfire?

[burnt frigate]

With the new hp pools smite is worthless even crit builds will struggle to not look incompetent.

[zealous wing]

someone who thinks smite is the solution to every problem, horde, armour blob, etc

[ripe obsidian]

Should

[zinc phoenix]

If you want to smite without being a toolbag do it for three seconds to make everything fall down and then stop

[burnt frigate]

This push it and hit it.

[warped hollow]

Nah, those smykers are clinically challenged

[zealous wing]

its a smite problem

[zinc phoenix]

If you use it as a knockdown instead of holding it forever it’s totally fine and I won’t murder you

[warped hollow]

I'm smart enough to know better

[zealous wing]

it teaches newbies to DO these things

[patent mango]

can people actually hear plasma gunners charge up

[zinc phoenix]

No

[burnt frigate]

No

[zealous wing]

y... yes? usually

[patent mango]

i cant like at all

[bleak junco]

I was about to say I hear em

[zinc phoenix]

Especially if the warp sounds come on I’m fuckin deaf

[prime elk]

it's crazy how fatshart has fucked up every new enemy they added

fatshart really should just stop adding new enemies to the game

[warped hollow]

I use it meaningfully yes. To knock things, to freeze scary things. To give breathing room

[strong gulch]

If you're shrieking all of the time, how helpful is the second part of immaterial force?

[warped hollow]

I don't spam it

[zealous wing]

im also very audio sensitive so it could be i can hear it through the mash of all the other sounds, or its a bug

[burnt frigate]

Tons of sounds aren't populating it's the worst with pox burster conga lines.

[zealous wing]

i'd need someone to clip "not hearing it" and send it to me

[zinc phoenix]

I don’t rate the primary attack staff nodes with inferno and if you’re using ds or fs you don’t need anticipation

[ripe obsidian]

I do not have the primary attack nodes

[patent mango]

they dont even have a spawn noise lmao

[ripe obsidian]

I am pretty often hitting 100% peril

[zealous wing]

i miss you

[bleak junco]

Also if you don’t hear them, getting shot in the face by one is a good sign one is around

lol

[patent mango]

`lmao

[zinc phoenix]

On that’s the node that gives stun immunity. Still learning the new layout 😂

Eh, I don’t think that’s good either but whatever

When does staff get stunned?

[warped hollow]

Wheres my arson build

[ripe obsidian]

Is a fair point. It would pair very well with KD, but I have dropped KD for now.

[burnt frigate]

Charging secondaries while suppressed?

[prime elk]

yeah, not a good thing when it can just strip all your toughness and prevent you from regenning.

will absolutely get you killed

[ripe obsidian]

I mostly want it for the increased fire bomber spawns. I took a lot of damage trying to get out of their spam

[zinc phoenix]

That sounds like a misplay tbh, you should be focusing on not just standing there being shot

[bleak junco]

I uh..don’t have that problem 😅

[ripe obsidian]

Same reason I was looking at anticipation

[prime elk]

i don't either 🤷

my pubbies always drop like flies tho

the moment one of those guys show up

[zinc phoenix]

🤔 does it help with lake of fire? That’s kind of appealing because lake of fire is hell

[prime elk]

he blends in with the shotgunners

and they just get deleted

[ripe obsidian]

Yes, stun immunity should help with fire slowdown.

Is why I have Adamant Will on Arby

[zinc phoenix]

I’d go with it to try it for that scenario but idk, my gut is og damage is always good

[bleak junco]

I’m using a bubble and assail build

So I’m just like camping my little safe spot

[zinc phoenix]

Assail sucks so hard in the event

[warped hollow]

So what is the the new meta for spyker?

[zinc phoenix]

Barrel them

[bleak junco]

Oooh I haven’t played the event yet! I’ve been goofing with the Mortis trials

[zinc phoenix]

Mortis, not even once 🙏

[zealous wing]

assail is doing fine in the event for me

its fucking GREAT for the snipers in vent purge

[bleak junco]

I like ripping through hordes of squishes

It’s so satisfying

[warped hollow]

I like men

[ripe obsidian]

also, new BB is doing ~3k damage to a chaos spawn in my testing. No idea what it was before

[zinc phoenix]

Plasma gunner has carapace head

[zealous wing]

and thats what the fucking melee or gun is for

[zinc phoenix]

I been running sg ep bb and it’s hilarious

[zealous wing]

you dont assail maulers either

[bleak junco]

That’s when you pull out ur sword

[zinc phoenix]

One shotting crushers with bb is 👌

[warped hollow]

We need a minion class ong

Puppy is nice

[ripe obsidian]

oh, just got a 5k damage hit

I think from Blaze Away

[warped hollow]

But i want a room of 50 minions

[ripe obsidian]

1500ish DPS to a chaos spawn is not bad.

[warped hollow]

Blaze away is nice

[zinc phoenix]

BB seems way stronger

[median lava]

guys, could you please explain Warp Ghost, specifically the passive quelling thing: AFAIU peril decreases 80% slower without actively quelling it, right?

[ripe obsidian]

Aye

[zinc phoenix]

Idk what the interactions are with buffs but it is very noticeable that it can kill very very efficiently

[ripe obsidian]

Korrekt

It is very, very good

[ripe obsidian]

Warp Ghost is the best talent in the tree

[zinc phoenix]

It’s basically the best trait defensively. You lose nothing and gain a ton

[strong gulch]

We can kill dogs from 0 peril now. Huge

[marble crater]

Empyric Resolve 🤝 Warp Ghost

[zealous wing]

OH YEAH thats what i was gonna fix... peril fx

[zinc phoenix]

Any psyker worth their salt is quell tapping to keep peril in the high but safe range so that they can fire near constantly, not relying on passive quell

So warp ghost is pure buff

And for the melee side of the house it makes it trivial to max peril and stay there for all the good stuff we get from peril scaling

[median lava]

thank you all guys

[ripe obsidian]

Okay, the stun immunity definitely seems to affect grenades.

[royal totem]

damn. i was a good friendly little shield psyker before i met you all.......

[zealous wing]

yeah just i gotta get used to easier high peril now because i was used to passive quell during horde clearing

ive exploded twice because of it

[royal totem]

now i'm playing shriek psyker 🙁

[strong gulch]

Did you take one right to the dome?

[pulsar solar]

@strong gulch when do you think the pinned builds will be updated?

[zinc phoenix]

You know how wizards in d&d need to use their spell list to build for the encounter? Same for psyker. Sometimes shield is the correct play. For instance in the event shield makes it easy to just walk thru it

[royal totem]

i dunno D&D 😄

[warped hollow]

I can't ever pass up damage and toughness buffs for just casting spells man

[marble crater]

https://tenor.com/view/kid-oh-yeah-yodeling-gif-4295637337024128969

[warped hollow]

I'm playung zeakot osyker

[strong gulch]

Unsure. I've been unwell and not able to test stuff much. Community wide we are still figuring things out.

[zealous wing]

idk if smite qualifies as a zealot thing

[warped hollow]

Psyker can do melee builds now

[zealous wing]

.,,.. they could before?

[warped hollow]

Its weird

[ripe obsidian]

Psyker was always good in melee

[zealous wing]

i was one?

[warped hollow]

Well they do it better now

[zealous wing]

oh yeah im much tankier now

[zinc phoenix]

Psyker has been doing melee well since launch

[warped hollow]

Wrong word choice, they melee better now then before

[zealous wing]

im so tanky im genuinely considering 3rd toughness instead of hp, though that could be a bad idea until im better at reducing chip dmg

[zinc phoenix]

The buffs make it easier but it’s always been a great melee class if you can follow the cardinal rule of don’t be hit

[sturdy reef]

Psyker melee was always a skill check

[strong gulch]

Melee / gunker has been good for a long time. Multiple major patches ago. Keep getting buffed too which is funny.

[sturdy reef]

Or u die

[warped hollow]

I didn't mean to imply that they couldn't melee before

Just that its better

[pale prairie]

It’s easier

Less dangerous

[median lava]

already asked before, try once again: what do you think about scriers instead of shriek on purgatus psyker build with warp siphon? I tested it in a couple of games, and with CDR it is kinda insane, but feel like there are some downsides/inefficiencies with it. wdyt?

[pale prairie]

I am unsure about purge. Does it count as finesse damage?

[ripe obsidian]

My issue with SG on Inferno is peril management, as well as not getting the finesse bonuses.

Crits do get finesse, but no headshots

[sturdy reef]

Peril is easy

Your quell speed is insane

Just try it

[ripe obsidian]

I have tried it. >:(

[warped hollow]

I don't try, i only do

[pale prairie]

No you’ve never played the game before

[sturdy reef]

Im getting 25-30s in sg easy

[pale prairie]

Stop lying

[sturdy reef]

Eith inferno

[median lava]

but if you take warp unbound, you can purge on 100% for 10 seconds, and coupling it with warp rider gives just insane stuff

[sturdy reef]

@ripe obsidian run battle meditation on it

Trust

[pale prairie]

Hmmmm

[ripe obsidian]

I'm already doing that with Shriek, essentially

[sturdy reef]

It feels much better

[strong gulch]

Also less range on SG inferno vs shriek. (unless assail)

[pale prairie]

Shriek stacks on top of purge soulblaze stacks makes more sense to me

[median lava]

yeah, makes sense

[zinc phoenix]

Voidstrike is a way better combo with sg

[ripe obsidian]

SG is viable with Inferno. I just don't love it.

[summer prairie]

did you try it with the new quell speed node

[zinc phoenix]

You use it like a helbore

[ripe obsidian]

I did not.

[patent mango]

quelling is the old meta just crystalline will it now

[strong gulch]

If you like inferno SG then go for it.

[granite kelp]

the one perk that gives more stamina n stuff is basically free right? since if you have time to passively quell you could have manually quelled it twice as fast already

[sturdy reef]

You didnt try it with reality anchor?

[zinc phoenix]

I honestly am tempted lmao

[pale prairie]

Oh the reality anchor

[granite kelp]

this ^

[ripe obsidian]

@summer prairie What do you think for a final node? I am leaning toward the Ogryn one, especially with KF improvements.

[sturdy reef]

Try it with reality anchor

[ripe obsidian]

Not since the patch.

[warped hollow]

Your not pstker if you're not warping it

[sturdy reef]

Its

Too fast

Almost

For quelling

Stack reality anchor and sllidity

Solidity

[median lava]

anchor + unbound sold this for me, with the latests pack numbers you literally never exit scriers bc of CDR

[sturdy reef]

Yes

[summer prairie]

I've been running immaterial focus (and also Just a dream instead of OwtW)

[sturdy reef]

It has more uptime than shriek now

[granite kelp]

i love getting to 90% peril, suddendly every shotgunner and rager looks like a yummy free quell

[pale prairie]

But but but precognition

[sturdy reef]

Precog dn

[ripe obsidian]

Just a Dream seems very good. I am not married to OwtW instead of it.

[sturdy reef]

Reality anchor is finally good in a niche

[pale prairie]

Do you feel you’ve been getting a lot of use out of Just a Dream? I am assuming you are peril edging

[sturdy reef]

Its 25% almost all the time

[summer prairie]

Well you are almost always under 97

[pale prairie]

But it only blocks until you hit 97 does the damage flow over into toughness?

[summer prairie]

the overflow should go to toughness

I've ER currently so not generating that much peril from it

[sturdy reef]

Im doing immaterial focus and just a dream

For shriek now

And EE

[long ibex]

thanks mate

[pale prairie]

Ah yes with ER that’s probably really good

[ripe obsidian]

Ah, I am not using ER for shriek. It's too slow.

[sturdy reef]

Immaterial focus also nice on meleeker

No getting stunned out of melee

[summer prairie]

Added blitz back to the updated Ovenproof plugin @plucky flax

What do you mean too slow, talking about Empyric Resolve

[ripe obsidian]

Do you know if it ever fixed the Arby blitz causing message spam issue?

[ripe obsidian]

Peril generation

[summer prairie]

Oh, well I generate peril on demand with my 7% FS, 1v2

[pale prairie]

If I am using ovenproof scoreboard do I just turn everything from base scoreboard off?

So I don’t get the crazy long box

[ripe obsidian]

Aye

[sturdy reef]

Yes

Also I finally have a bubble knight build that might be tanky now lol

[ripe obsidian]

Fair. Still, with some cursory testing, the 10% peril reduction node feels nicer than ER. I will ponder further.

[median lava]

is there any reason to take Empyric Shock instead of Wildfire? I do LMB with Purgatus quite a bit for staggering, but still considering whether I should take Wildfire

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/think-harder-freddie-benson-icarly-s2e1-use-your-brain-gif-25673387

[ripe obsidian]

Not on Inferno imo.

On EK, sure.

Empyric Shock, you'll only get benefit on things that survive for a while. And in almost every case, RMB with Blaze Away is much more damage than LMB.

[median lava]

Thank you!

[ripe obsidian]

Empyric Shock is good for bosses. Less good for most else. Wildfire is very good for hordes and elites.

[shrewd comet]

does resist vs gunners also include the plasma gunner?

[ripe obsidian]

I can find out.

[strong gulch]

If you can better / meaningfully integrated the needed attacks then ye on EK. If it's counter to how you play, then skip.

[ripe obsidian]

looks like no

templates.gadget_damage_reduction_vs_gunners = {
    class_name = "buff",
    predicted = false,
    stat_buffs = {
        [stat_buffs.damage_taken_by_cultist_gunner_multiplier] = 0.8,
        [stat_buffs.damage_taken_by_renegade_gunner_multiplier] = 0.8,
        [stat_buffs.damage_taken_by_chaos_ogryn_gunner_multiplier] = 0.8,
    },
}

[shrewd comet]

dang

[autumn lark]

Did you find any new leaks within the code yet?

[strong gulch]

Shotgunners aren't included either. So not surprising.

[sturdy reef]

Make plasma gunners specials

Why do they spawn in packs of 9 on havoc

[summer prairie]

I skimmed through the changes but there are so many that it's a bit too much effort. The localization files are full of the new mortis stuff that makes it more time consuming too.

[cosmic cobalt]

have anyone got just a dream procced while charging up at near crit then you kill yourself because peril

[thorn cedar]

immaterium is so fucken good

[autumn lark]

I sea

[pale prairie]

If it did I wouldn’t be having such a time with them seeing as I joined the church of Sixsaysreapersarescarysousegunnerresistance

[thorn cedar]

ial* goddamn it always get it wrong

[autumn lark]

Well if you find any good stuff i would apreciate it

And ofc thank you for taking the time to check

[summer prairie]

Wouldn't expect there to be anything right now, but you never know

[quasi atlas]

warp ghost worth the point? It's fun staying at 100% peril for warp rider+one with the warp but not sure if its worth it

[thorn cedar]

very good

[verbal thistle]

Its empiric resolve but for melee psyker

[summer prairie]

With a staff build you don't really passively quell, expect maybe some melee trauma builds

[ripe obsidian]

It is true. Bullets are my one weakness.

[plucky flax]

Thank you my liege

[pale prairie]

Mine too. No bubble problems I guess

[sturdy reef]

Bubble only fun on bubble knight

Otherwise I sleep

[plucky flax]

Tru

[ripe obsidian]

So you're doing this @summer prairie ?

[sturdy reef]

The t pose

[summer prairie]

Ran a few rounds with that yes

[pale prairie]

Symmetrical

[sturdy reef]

Id rather have oggy damage than ER personally

[plucky flax]

Tru

[uncut scarab]

do you have problemes with mods ?

[patent mango]

update mod launcher

[cosmic cobalt]

er is still useful for blaze away stack + warp rider

[pale prairie]

Only had an issue with numeric Ui but I don’t have as many mods as some here

[cosmic cobalt]

eh

[thorn cedar]

im just happy we can skip ER/PotS now

[patent mango]

heres the broky mods

[ripe obsidian]

I shall consider this.

https://tenor.com/view/conan-thulsa-doom-contemplate-this-tree-of-woe-conan-the-barbarian-gif-13763679

[patent mango]

im happy i can skip true aim lmao

[sturdy reef]

Ya

[thorn cedar]

i still like true aim but yeah, saves a point

[sturdy reef]

Only need KD or it now

To get DD

[thorn cedar]

i never liked ER or PotS so

[patent mango]

true aim wont help me stab people so its been annoyig the entire time

[pale prairie]

What?

[pale prairie]

It works on melee

[patent mango]

new pathing

nope

[thorn cedar]

stacks but doesn't spend

[patent mango]

unless this update changed it its only ranged

[pale prairie]

Hmmmmm

Okay so it generates

[thorn cedar]

now Mind in Motion is more affordable 🙂

[pale prairie]

Eh it’s still more useful than KD to me. And assail and gun like it

[strong gulch]

Unless it's different this patch, true aim crit has never been consumed by melee

[patent mango]

i can spend the true aim point on warp ghost

lmao

[strong gulch]

I hope uptime gets updated and then I can fianlly run it

it has never worked

for me

[pale prairie]

So uptime has had no uptime for you?

[weary crane]

Nearly hit the most ball clenching clutch of all time

[pale prairie]

Damn

F

[weary crane]

Has havoc got harder or just me?

[pale prairie]

Stim modifier is a little crazy

Also big health bumps

[thorn cedar]

i clutched as smyker last night and a dude called me braindead while i was rescuing him and quit lmao

[strong gulch]

Give us a downtime mod.

How often are you doing nothing?
How often are you spamming something with nothing around you??

[summer prairie]

plasma gunners don't cost a lot of stamina/peril to block with deflector, way less than other elite gunners

[pale prairie]

Tell me the class

[thorn cedar]

guess

[weary crane]

The cursed armour one just spams carapace non stop, need shock mines for it

[pale prairie]

ARBITES

[thorn cedar]

zealot

[pale prairie]

Damn

What is he doing being dead

[thorn cedar]

sucking. Presumably

[strong gulch]

Sry. It was me.

[weary crane]

I still think zealot is ahh after this update

[thorn cedar]

nah zealot is hella stronk

[weary crane]

It doesn't have a good niche for me

[strong gulch]

I am an epically bad zealot.

[thorn cedar]

duelist nerf is felt but so much power has been placed elsewhere

[pale prairie]

It is funny watching them get melted by the plasma gunner firing squad

[sturdy reef]

Shroud marty is better than ever

Absolutely deletes every boss

[weary crane]

My psyker can handle literally everything, the only thing I am missing is the shock mines for carapace control

[thorn cedar]

literally delete in full

[pale prairie]

That’s what the game needed was more shroudfield

[sturdy reef]

You want it for the buffed captain hp

[cosmic cobalt]

martydom enjoyer when they get hit with a single plasma shot

[thorn cedar]

its like 60k damage on a hammer hit or some shit its wild

[cosmic cobalt]

(tdr)

[sturdy reef]

I think its more

I havent tested it extensively

[thorn cedar]

all i know is that id hear some zealous yelling and a health bar disappears

[weary crane]

Oh yeah... In the clutch I just did, I retreated, and when I went back to look over a ledge, no even kidding.. in like 0.5 seconds I was shot through the floor by the plasma gunner, their reaction time is insane

[sturdy reef]

But I was one shotting daemonhosts

On auric

I wonder how much worse relic blade powered stab is than thammer for the burst

Because it is much better for hordes and elites

[thorn cedar]

relic blade probably isnt that far off

the activated poke is very strong

[strong gulch]

Sounds like I'm doomed then. My reaction time is laughably slow.

[sturdy reef]

The sprint attack is pretty insane on it

[long saddle]

does the event only count 4 scab plasma gunners per mission?

[zealous wing]

lmao

[long saddle]

I killed like 7 in a row with FGS llol

[prime elk]

yeah idk how they're calculating it but it's definitely not the raw number you kill

[long saddle]

ah captains

[pale prairie]

They just keep shooting even with walls blocking so he might have just been barraging already

[prime elk]

is it captains or the gunners 🤔

[sturdy reef]

Captain

[thorn cedar]

yea captains dgaf theyll shoot cause they got nobody tying them up

[prime elk]

scammed

playing some shit ass game mode for shit rewards

smh

[lunar gyro]

So not gunners?

[long saddle]

warp ghost is so nice

[cosmic cobalt]

it's strong but does like half of thammer activated damage

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/enhance-gif-10953787

[weary crane]

I'm glad EE makes the plasma shots do nothing

[cosmic cobalt]

heavy eviscerator rev is closer to thammer hit

[thorn cedar]

oh shit that's right i gotta try the chain weps

chaxe12 bby

[long saddle]

it's interesting it's located in the EP tree tho, when it plays so much better with SG and gunker

[thorn cedar]

EP is universal tho

[prime elk]

i like running EP gunker

otherwise the team doesn't have a chance to do damage

[patent mango]

rinda with dollar store armor

[weary crane]

I use Gaze BB and EP

[thorn cedar]

I'll never give up DD

[zealous wing]

that sound is still 100% irredeemable and i dont care how good it is, if i ever go zealot i am not touching a single chain weapon

[cosmic cobalt]

yeah i get it

[lunar gyro]

DD is peak psyker as you run after a specific chaff enemy shouting how they must die above all else and only you understand

[gray zephyr]

since mettle no longer gives instant toughness, inspiring barrage is feeling really good

[lyric burrow]

DD has always been based

[thorn cedar]

Ogryn wave? Three monsters? Twins? Sorry chooms, a dreg bruiser in the other room is calling me.

[lyric burrow]

I enjoyed it even day 1

[thorn cedar]

It's so easy now tho

They've made it incredibly generous.

I run perfectionist on every build

[long saddle]

soon

[lyric burrow]

Yeah it is much easier to maintain whuch was kinda the point

Although i admit the upkeep was one of the more fun parts

[zealous wing]

i've got a ways to go still

another 2 months maybe, if i keep at this pace, or less if i do more havocs

[pale prairie]

Aurics

Maelstroms

Come to the dark side

Havocs are also acceptable

[zealous wing]

i havent clutched an auric yet, i think if i try my heart will give out

[pale prairie]

But imagine the glory sibling

[lyric burrow]

Clutching aurics or havocs is simply peak

[zealous wing]

glory yes, but even damnation made my chest hurt for like 3 days after

i gotta get better at staying calm

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/mental-health-wellbeing-mental-health-crisis-mental-health-resources-anxiety-gif-25299237

[upper sun]

its easy just play balanced classes with balanced builds

like ogryn or arby

[lunar gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/exercise-memes-gif-20119692

[upper sun]

im level 700+100 on zealot

[lyric burrow]

You get used to ut

[upper sun]

and like level 80 on arby

i have 10x the clutches on arby

[lyric burrow]

Esp once youve done it a few times

[zealous wing]

its far easier on a difficulty i can basically solo

heresy is chill

[lyric burrow]

Most of my clutches are on psyker but my psyker is also level 1020 or something so its a much larger sample size

[upper sun]

i believe in you

barrel your team now

ughhhhhhhhh event is warren and silo.........

someone shoot me

[zealous wing]

auric is just intimidating. its never as bad as i feel like it will be, its just... menacing

[upper sun]

anyone wanna speed run events with me?

[zealous wing]

sure

fuck it

[pale matrix]

what blessings/perks do I run on my DS if I'm using an infernus/soulblaze/shriek build?

[lyric burrow]

Riposte uncanny if your going optimized, but most blessings would still work

[long saddle]

ignore the fact my squad wiped to 10 plasmas 20 secs later

[pale prairie]

Uncanny

[pale prairie]

And then in turn they were purged

[pale matrix]

thx. why no precog?

[granite kelp]

how does blaze away work with inferno force staff

[marble crater]

First step to clutching in Auric: actually playing Auric

[lyric burrow]

Precog is fine too just crit stuff is good for soulblaze and whatnot

[granite kelp]

is it like, per 10% charged or 10% of what i charged in the staff

[zealous wing]

being dragged to auric and saving everyone *

[lyric burrow]

Riposte is also easier to use

[cosmic cobalt]

just spam m2

[granite kelp]

that does not help my question

[cosmic cobalt]

i still find ER useful for this reason since you can actually keep blaze away stack with warp rider

[marble crater]

It's based on duration you are firing, it's not an issue to max out stacks with charged fire

[pale matrix]

thx

[ripe obsidian]

@summer prairie do you pick Immaterial more for the 10% DR or the stun immunity?

[sturdy reef]

Use DSV and parry

As the emperor intended

[sturdy reef]

Por que no los dos

[weary crane]

It works best with warp unbound

I love it

[upper sun]

@zealous wing servers are fucked

my chat is dead and i was suttering a bit

[zealous wing]

f

[upper sun]

🚬 well at least we know 3 bosses spawn on uprising

i dont think i wanna play more

i dont trust the game

[zealous wing]

i was completely stable the whole way through

[wind spruce]

how does it interact with warp unbound?

[ripe obsidian]

In this case, I am using Shriek Staffker. It does seem like a must-pick for SG.

As mentioned before, Meleekers are eating good this patch

[cosmic cobalt]

this is damnation btw

[weary crane]

Well the stun immunity is only at critical peril, so you can stay at 100% for 10 sec

[patent mango]

meleeker real

[ripe obsidian]

Stun immunity is at 97% or higher peril, then an additional 4 seconds once you go below that

It's very good.

[lapis fern]

would like some feedback on build if possible. not against changing the ability for shriek but other than that any other perks to add/remove? only thing i currently feel like im lacking is captain damage. https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9ff4afd3-cbab-4605-b3a8-3b3e184193b2

[ripe obsidian]

Because I am minmaxing and trying to determine if I want more damage or the defense/utility

[weary crane]

Yeah but unless you edge perfectly it's hard to keep it up permenantly

[upper sun]

we were speedrunning the event

[wind spruce]

Right, not a unique interaction just let's you stay at critical

Although if you're quelling a tick or two between staff casts it'll stay up permanently anyway

[ripe obsidian]

I am an edgemaster. You'll always see me edging.

Yes, phrasing. It was intentional

[wind spruce]

Or Assail weave etc

[pale prairie]

Yeah it damnation and above feel good this patch. Numbers are getting bigger with all the extra hp

[weary crane]

Basically it's a great talent

[shrewd comet]

for the blaze force greatsword, im using shred. should i use unstable power or precog?

[burnt frigate]

I feel like shred is still too synergistic to drop.

[shrewd comet]

i meant to pair WITH shred

[pale prairie]

Unstable is great now ghost exists

[shrewd comet]

ghost?

[pale prairie]

I mean it was good before

[burnt frigate]

Warp Ghost talent

[pale prairie]

Now it’s free real estate

[pale prairie]

Talent below warprider that makes keeping peril above 80% easy

[shrewd comet]

ahh gotcha

[pale prairie]

Now that you can have peril high easy you can get maximum benefits from unstable power, One with the Warp, Warp splitting, and Warp Rider

[wind spruce]

Games lantern won't load for me

[lyric burrow]

Always was although now you dont instantly fold in half

[vast yew]

You don't want Mind in Motion

I know nothing about the rest of your build but you don't want that one

[pale prairie]

Is this a staff build?

[lapis fern]

voidblast yeah

[pale prairie]

You going blazing on the voidblast?

[lapis fern]

blazing spirit/warp nexus as far as blessings go unless you know a better option

[vast yew]

It's Fire Trauma

[burnt frigate]

Soulfire trauma without wildfire

[vast yew]

or PT

[shrewd comet]

is this a dumb way to build for melee/gun usage? https://i.imgur.com/TtYWJNL.png

[ripe obsidian]

Something like this.

[burnt frigate]

This is it.

[wind spruce]

You need shriek for blazing voidblast. I'd also pick up soulstealer.

[burnt frigate]

maybe dip for peril blocking, but that's a personal preference.

[wraith sphinx]

workable but brainburst is an unconventional pick for gunker

[lapis fern]

gotcha, ill give that a try. bubble is nice but i feel like i use it only once or twice a mission unless im somehow the last one alive

[wraith sphinx]

assail is the most flexible of psyker blitzes and works with every weapon combination

[ripe obsidian]

I'm on the fence for KD right now. I love it, but all the extra stamina from Warp Ghost, plus the new defensive talents and the melee node to reach it, make it less appealing than before

[wind spruce]

I was gonna say KD isn't worth two talent tax

[vast yew]

I personally always want to run the Crit Aura on Fire Trauma because crit chance is kinda iffy and you really want crits as often as possible

[ripe obsidian]

Can swap bubble for shriek if you need to. Same point count.

[wind spruce]

If you're desperate for more blocking change your curios

[ripe obsidian]

Also valid.

[strong gulch]

For me, if I'm going KD I'm also gonna parry a crusher.

[ripe obsidian]

It used to be, when it had a crit node under it. I think it was a crit node.

[lyric burrow]

The absurd revives are still nice at least

[strong gulch]

it was yeah

[wind spruce]

Yeah because when it was crit above it, it was a one point cost

[ripe obsidian]

Now KD is a maybe pick. Good node, just not in the best location

[ripe obsidian]

They are. I like KD. It's just harder to justify now.

[strong gulch]

KD is even more a comfort pick than before.

[shrewd comet]

oh. i found it to be super helpful xD since im not using warp unbound until the WU counter mod gets fixed >:|

[ripe obsidian]

I'm sitting at 8 stamina bars with my build. Not even a stamina curio.

[wraith sphinx]

KD is a great pairing if you picked WE

[wind spruce]

Nutty

[ripe obsidian]

What is WE in this case?

[wraith sphinx]

warp expenditure

[ripe obsidian]

Ah.

[wraith sphinx]

sorry shouldn't type and play

[long saddle]

this overkill damage with FGS is something alright

[ripe obsidian]

KD is fantastic for melee. Easy pick.

I will not fault anyone for picking it

[long saddle]

KD is like mandatory on all my builds

[wind spruce]

Surely assail is optimal over BB/KF every single time,

[burnt frigate]

I like KF in melee and BB for the gunner packs or sniper gangs.

[wind spruce]

It's utility is nuts

[burnt frigate]

Smite is hard to justify now.

Unless you push like a god.

[shrewd comet]

i have a hard time using assail with SG because for some reason my brain doesn't track warp unbound >:|

[long saddle]

there's a mod for that lol

[shrewd comet]

it doesnt work

[wind spruce]

If you're on PC get a mod

[long saddle]

it does work?

I used it 2 mins ago

[shrewd comet]

dafuq

[wind spruce]

I just create a second buff bar and stick it in the middle of the screen

I don't use the actual warp unbound mod

[long saddle]

if no mods are working for you then it's DML

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/366

[patent steeple]

idk, maybe its just because I recently started liking Vstrike on my meleeker build due to not daring to re-enable NumericUI mod yet, but I find little use for assail with meleeker thanks to Vstrike...

[vast yew]

KF is still free head pops, with even more consistency now, so still fantastic on Soulblaze builds.
Smite is still fine for some builds, especially if you hate trying to weave Assail into your melee combos. I'd probably still take it on my Voidstrike build just to have some CC.

[ripe obsidian]

New BB is doing like 5k+ damage to bosses and Ogryns on my Inferno build. Without the Ogryn/Boss damage node.

It's pretty goofy

[long saddle]

BB/KF is for when you are busy with staves

[wind spruce]

It is potentially like 10k damage per minute

[patent steeple]

what does your build look like? I have seen similar results from other psykers, but idk how to replicate them...

[wind spruce]

Adds up

[ripe obsidian]

25k

Guaranteed every 12 seconds. 5 times a minute

No longer random

And it now scales much, much better with damage boosts

[wind spruce]

Whenever there isn't an ogryn or mauler in the way you can improve your damage by weaving assails in melee

[ripe obsidian]

Oh, I didn't realize we're talking melee

[long saddle]

what change was that

[ripe obsidian]

Carry on assailing

[wind spruce]

Talking whatever tbh

Is KF seriously hitting that hard now

[ripe obsidian]

BR went from 50% additive to 50% multiplicative

[long saddle]

oh

[wind spruce]

Ok bruhhhh

[long saddle]

maybe it'll actually do something in havoc now lol

[wind spruce]

That changes the math

[burnt frigate]

It's bonkers

[ripe obsidian]

I am at the office now, but I can get a video of it later

[long saddle]

I need to remake my BB EP build then

[ripe obsidian]

KF was already pretty good in havoc. Now it's absurd.

And Ainz had a BB+EP build he used to duo H40

[long saddle]

yeah I always rocked it but never felt it did that much

[analog agate]

I was wondering this. If you are excellent at weaving probably.

[long saddle]

just a passive dmg boost every now and then

[vast yew]

Question: if that was KF, does that mean that EP BR potentially one-shots Crushers now? 5k is pretty close to 6500.

[ripe obsidian]

The biggest benefit was a near-guaranteed PC proc

[ripe obsidian]

Maybe? I have not tried. Is worth testing.

[long saddle]

true

[wind spruce]

It was doing 3-5% of total damage before this patch

[ripe obsidian]

You probably can find a way to get BB to one-bop crushers.

[ripe obsidian]

Was closer to 7% for me, but so it goes

[long saddle]

I'm gonna try BB EP out after dinner

with double shield

[lavish comet]

Haven't played for a year or so. Ist Smite + Voidstrike still usable? And if so, ist actually good?^^

[wind spruce]

Depends on build, less with trauma/inferno I found

[vernal temple]

I think one of my mods is having a seizure or something

[vast yew]

Usable, yes, Good, eehhhhh

[long saddle]

they're the worst of blitzes/staves

[ripe obsidian]

Voidstrike is fine in Auric and below. Bad in Havoc. Smite is a dirty word in this discord.

[vernal temple]

these numbers keep popping the entire mission

[long saddle]

but they're not awful

[cosmic cobalt]

you can think of smyker as the n word equivalent

[lavish comet]

Dafuq? What happened?

[long saddle]

noob trap

[vast yew]

True Aim nerf

[ripe obsidian]

To Voidstrike? 10 cleave versus like 200% hitmass enemies. 1.8 second charge to kill like 3 trash mobs.

[pale prairie]

Numeric UI is broken. If you go to mod settings just turn off “AMMO AND GRENADE PICKUPS”

[strong gulch]

Smite can be a very strong tool. However...

Smite is often misused and has a big impact on other player's experiences. If it's used to perma stun enemies so people don't get to play and those enemies are CCed in a bad position or spread out or if you are slowing the team down by lagging behind just stunning stuff, people will leave the game, barrel you, not res you, etc. The CC also doesn't allow "on dodge" blessings and talents to function for you or your teammates. Parry is also out.

Because of the way Smite ticks and spreads, it's very good at getting the last bit of damage of an enemy's health even if other players did most of the damage. It also is an enabler for the rest of the psyker's kit and snowballs A LOT. So the way it scales in high density with little effort is absurd.

A lot of smite users also don't learn how to dodge or manage CC immune enemies.

A culture of lobby or mission dodging smykers has formed because of this.

[vernal temple]

ah, thank you

[wind spruce]

?

[vernal temple]

I figured it might be Numeric

[ripe obsidian]

Voidstrike's charge time and cleave are both too bad to succeed in Havoc.

[long saddle]

I like fellow smyker because that means I can kill stuff instead

[pale prairie]

Yeah I ran a whole mission with that till I figured it out

Was irritating

[strong gulch]

True aim could be stacked multiple times in a single attack, not anymore.

[vernal temple]

same

[long saddle]

I've run it for 2 days lol

[vast yew]

Eons ago, when the world was young, True Aim could stack multiple stacks per shot. So with Voidstrike, you could get guaranteed crits on every right-click, sending double death orbs down hallways ad infinitum.
Then they nerfed it and the Voidstrike went into the garbo bin.

[long saddle]

I'll disable it later

[pale prairie]

It was so beautiful. Chaining surge procs

[wind spruce]

Oh right, not this patch

[pale prairie]

The mod works great it’s just the pickups part

[long saddle]

oh ye ik

I'll turn off that

[ripe obsidian]

For Auric and below, Voidstrike is better than Inferno. Unless they upped enemy density a lot this patch.

[wind spruce]

Also nerfed for assail 🙁

[gray zephyr]

how does a single attack work for guns?

[verbal thistle]

@ripe obsidian was BB adjusted at all

or just KF

[pale prairie]

It was my first staff build

[ripe obsidian]

BB was

[vast yew]

I dunno if I'd necessarily say better than Inferno on Auric, but it's definitely great.

[long saddle]

inferno is perf fine on auric

[pale prairie]

[lavish comet]

Basically, Smite if your Team is OK with it. And don't if playing with randoms.

Check ✅

[vast yew]

Or, like, use it to stagger waves of Crushers/Maulers/Ragers and buy your team time, but don't use it on literally every group of mobs

[pale prairie]

They upped enemy hp though….

[ripe obsidian]

BB is now 50% multiplicative instead of 50% additive. It scales significantly harder with other damage boosts. I was hitting over 5k with it, albeit in KF form

[vast yew]

Smite used sparingly won't get you the stinkeye

[royal totem]

i smite whether my team wants it or not! REEEEEE

[zinc phoenix]

you get the barrel

[royal totem]

doesn't have smite on any of my builds

[ripe obsidian]

True. I have not tried Auric yet. Just been getting missions killed by the server in Havoc

[zinc phoenix]

barrel him anyway

[long saddle]

SG EP Smite can be fun

[zinc phoenix]

barrel that mfer pronto

[royal totem]

.< i'm gonna pretend i know what SG and EP are and agree with you

[vast yew]

... Doesn't Smite not Crit though? Seems kinda bleh with SG

[pale prairie]

Auric regular feels like maelstrom. Though it would probably be more chill without the event plasmas. That’s all I’ve played so far. Haven’t done a maelstrom yet.

[wind spruce]

Like... base? It takes damage multipliers, halves them still, but now applies multiplicatively?

[long saddle]

SG for the extra time at 100% peril boost

[vast yew]

SG = Scrier's Gaze
EP = Empowered Psionics

[long saddle]

instead of auto turn off

[pale prairie]

Scriers Gaze, empowered psionics

[vast yew]

ah, fascinating

[royal totem]

ah ok. fair enough

[vast yew]

(btw there's a list of acronyms in the pins)

[long saddle]

yeah pins is very useful

[pale prairie]

Yeah use those builds

Only those

Don’t question

[zealous wing]

it does need to be updated tho for the new talents

[long saddle]

ignore that they don't work

use them anyway

[pale prairie]

Nah if your tree looks weird it’s cause you’re special psyker and the chosen one. Jump into havoc

[long saddle]

im getting fomo building now, especially the middle defensive part of the tree

[lusty willow]

hey guy what is this cosmetic call ?

the cloak one

[zealous wing]

VM, WG, IF, JaD, need to be added

[wind spruce]

Big Cloak ™

[pale prairie]

Not my footage but still funny plasma stuff.

[patent mango]

hype moments and aura

[zealous wing]

it was in rotation like a month / month and a half ago

[wind spruce]

Skill issue

[vast yew]

Acolyte's Greatcoat

[patent mango]

shoulda activated future sight

[marble crater]

Oh, that was for the hood

[lusty willow]

thank you boss.

[cosmic cobalt]

bro have 2 coat

[pale prairie]

can’t see cause of fog, no audio cue……..

“SKISSUE”

[cosmic cobalt]

actually that 3 wtf

[wind spruce]

Hehe

[zealous wing]

psykers are always cold

[long saddle]

Inquisitorial Acolytes was the full name I think

for all of the drip

[pale prairie]

We will see it again in 2 years

[zealous wing]

😔

[pale prairie]

Thanks FOMO store

[zealous wing]

i wish i'd gotten it

[vast yew]

No, no, we'll see one recolored red in like 4 months

[zealous wing]

i was in an "eww mtx cosmetics" mindset but i wanted it so badly

[pale prairie]

Damn he’s right

[upper sun]

perfectly balanced and fair

[long saddle]

I got two full outfits from that and the vet chest

[marble crater]

Should have started playing before last week

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-and-take-my-money-money-futurama-gif-6882124657810317443

[zealous wing]

its ok i have the bakkan rebreather

[tiny cove]

[zealous wing]

it matches the white and greengold psyker stuff gloriously well

[wind spruce]

Tbf there's a sound queue

[marble crater]

Baka rebreather

[pale prairie]

Inconsistent. Sometimes it was there. Sometimes other cues seemed to cover it

[wind spruce]

Classic

[acoustic jacinth]

hows this? for my purg staff

[zealous wing]

i want another pegleg / prosthetic leg, tbh

[acoustic jacinth]

(for EK i use literally the same i just switch to psychic vampire)

[long saddle]

is the rending node worth it?

[zealous wing]

the black and white is nice for the havoc top but, it doesnt match certain things

[wind spruce]

You don't need extra dodges with purg

[pale prairie]

How about just both peg legs

[zealous wing]

hmmm

[strong gulch]

EE> anticipation

[pale prairie]

No wheel chair psyker

[zealous wing]

perhap

[wraith sphinx]

yea anticipation is a comfort pick talent

[zealous wing]

it depends on how it looks

[pale prairie]

I’d play a wheelchair melee psyker

[zealous wing]

[strong gulch]

I hope we get non saggy butt peg leg

[wraith sphinx]

I love anticipation and always pick it but it's not necessary

[zealous wing]

"better run uphill motherfucker, because downhill i'll catch you"

[tiny cove]

So mad I missed this one

Looks soo good

[long saddle]

let psyker use the jets that keep servoskulls afloat

[tiny cove]

Fatshark really stopping me from spending money

[vast yew]

They're quite good at that

[zealous wing]

current pegleg works on this fit

[long saddle]

yeah I rock pegleg on a few

[zealous wing]

and a large variety of the free commissary stuff

[long saddle]

dark neutral pants never go wrong

[pale prairie]

Explains why ladder climbing is so ass

[zealous wing]

doesnt really work with stuff like this

[long saddle]

ogryn has the best pegleg sound tho

[burnt frigate]

Surprising lack of event aquila will surely explain.

[zealous wing]

does with this

even goes with this, surprisingly enough. not fantastically, but, its close enough

[lapis fern]

just did an auric run with that. definitely played better and actually used the ability like 10 times. thanks

[spice oar]

What does “stun immune” affect?

Cause it doesn’t seem to affect say getting knocked back by plasma

[zealous wing]

yknow when you charge a heavy attack and get hit in the back by a poxxer and it stops your heavy?

[long saddle]

interrupting your casts and shit

[spice oar]

Ahhh so uninterruptible

[long saddle]

ye

[spice oar]

Damm, wish it was a bit more clear I thought that I wouldn’t get the screen shake

[long saddle]

that's what it is on zealot's talent at least

[zealous wing]

the screen shake is a stagger i believe

[long saddle]

and I think it's the same wording

[spice oar]

Nah on zealots it uses uninterruptible

On psyker “stun immune”

So I figured it was a different thing yk

[long saddle]

I was mostly thinking of this

[ripe obsidian]

Instead of adding +50% of BB's damage (so just adding, like, 500 damage if it did 1000 for a total of 1500), it now multiplies by 1.5, which also multiplies with other damage modifiers.

[long saddle]

which is just melee now that I'm looking

[ripe obsidian]

Glad it worked for you. I'm still tweaking and figuring out builds, so things might change. But it should be a solid framework

[ripe obsidian]

Plasma gunners are jerks.

[zealous wing]

also i dont know for sure if they're event only

i am like 70% sure they're perma

[ripe obsidian]

They are permanent.

[long saddle]

they're perm

[pale prairie]

Well hopefully I get a better cue for Vent purge cause 10 plasma shots out of the smoke was scary

[strong gulch]

It doesn't. Having served on a ship and needing to carry heavy and large equipment through basically manholes, it doesn't. Ladders are just actually bosses. 😭

[long saddle]

just have EE active at all times

[pale prairie]

It is a good humbling experience.

“HAHAHA I AM INVINCIBLE NOW!!”

https://tenor.com/view/shame-too-bad-sun-glasses-thats-a-shame-gif-17698707

The plasma gunners charging

[pale prairie]

But did you do it with a peg leg?

[spice oar]

Yeah wanted to see if we’ve got anti plasma capabilities

Tho shield exists

[pale prairie]

They are ass but at least they gave us the clip of Unsanctioned jumping to freedom

[long saddle]

yeah or EE

[strong gulch]

No. Just a knee swollen to the size of a melon. Our medical was so bad.

[swift stag]

Since warp expenditure is changed whats the best alternative to regen toughness now?

[zealous wing]

2 options

[zealous wing]

quietude, and WE

[pale prairie]

Ouch sorry to hear that

[zealous wing]

quietude if you had WE previously

WE if you're really melee focused

[long saddle]

ladders are evil

[vast yew]

Psykers when you tell them the floor isn't real:

[pale prairie]

When you tell them the floor is lava

[long saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-40k-psyker-explode-perils-gif-10586129510772702813

[pale prairie]

Ragdoll is such a worthwhile graphics investment

[long saddle]

dog ragdolls are great

[pale prairie]

Space launch

[swift stag]

I dont know why but it doesn't seem WE isn't working or maybe its just so minute for me not to notice during fights.

[pine shore]

Just a dream or immaterial focus?

Just a dream sounds better

[vast yew]

Yes

[pale prairie]

I mean

[swift stag]

Granted im using force sword so maybe gets 2 out of 5 enemies in a swing when headding

[pine shore]

But I wanna be edging constantly

So just a dream would be off most of the time

[zealous wing]

i am also using quietude even though i am melee focused

[vast yew]

Just a Dream works all the way up to 97% Peril

[zealous wing]

because, scriers, and BCoB,

[pine shore]

Yes

So just a dream or immaterial?

[vast yew]

Depends on build imo

SG Melee build I'd go Immaterial

[gray zephyr]

using only mettle for gaining toughness with inspring barrage on gun and it feels good

[zealous wing]

immaterial i suppose, it has the most benefit for you at constant high peril

[pine shore]

Like, in this build

for trauma

oops

[zealous wing]

its a choice you have

[swift stag]

Is ER still viable i also struggled with it for some reason

[gray zephyr]

missing the toughness on demand with mettle, but paired with inspiring barrage works

[vast yew]

Where KF

[marble crater]

On staves that aren't Inferno, yes

[pine shore]

instead of what

don't just say where talent

[zealous wing]

if inferno, ER

[vast yew]

Extra Dodge, probably

[zealous wing]

anticipation also an option yes

[vast yew]

Also not sure you need ER if you're going to be mostly edging

[swift stag]

Also maybe just cause im rusty but did the timning on peril overload get tightened I felt like I kept being late at 100% by a miliseconds

[vast yew]

99% sure that's just rust

[wraith sphinx]

one thing I hate about the new tree is that I constantly feel tempted to path to OWTW now that WG is a thing, but I don't need it

[zealous wing]

probably rusty, yeah

[swift stag]

probably is. With all the other changes im powering through rust and build changes xD

[zealous wing]

yeah its a lot to go through

i will never understand why people hate mortis

[wraith sphinx]

It was too easy on launch + it should have launched with more maps

it got stale super fast

[pale prairie]

I dunno I have never tried it. Too caught up with the havoc loop

[wraith sphinx]

you should try it

pause the havoc rat race, live a little

just play on max difficulty or else you'll get bored

[upper sun]

the 5 minutes each wave spent finding the last 5 enemies

[zealous wing]

but they're highlighted...

[upper sun]

theyre behind cover

across the map

[sturdy reef]

I think ER is kinda mid tbh

[wraith sphinx]

I concur

[sturdy reef]

Im too used to peril edging

[zealous wing]

then go kill them?

[sturdy reef]

WG is much better value

All upsides

[upper sun]

2far

[sturdy reef]

Big psyker stonks

[wraith sphinx]

indeed

[upper sun]

i just alt tab

[zealous wing]

then you're part of the problem

[proper spoke]

Holding W on the keyboard is exhausting

[rigid moss]

If the goal of the talent tree rework was to open them up more that initially feels like a success. I have points left over even after building all necessities. That feels quite good from an initial try. Is there any consensus here already? I haven't kept up with the most recent conversations.

[strong gulch]

We're still figuring things out and testing.

[rigid moss]

Yu, makes sense. Very early for a major rework to come up with clearly defined solutions already.

[strong gulch]

Old builds still strong but we're figuring out how the new shit fits in.

[patent mango]

if no1 got me warp ghost got me

[zinc phoenix]

warp gooooose

instant no1 pick for every build

[strong gulch]

Ye. That's a consensus. WG good

[thorn cedar]

the goose is loose

[patent mango]

also i did try crystalline will

its quite funny but dunno might still b a bit weak

[burnt frigate]

So if you use Crystalline Will correctly, it's effectively a one-point peril vent for any psyker already in melee. Voidblastin' at point blank is a reality now.

[wraith sphinx]

heard it's mega weak yea

[thorn cedar]

https://youtu.be/VOXOdflScCY?si=3Ip1gR_aDwYUGY-R

just gotta be blasting the right tunes when you explode

adds a secret damage bonus

[patent mango]

reject dmg scales iwth how much hype moments and aura
they have

[thorn cedar]

truth is that it was never gonna be great because the result would be a meta of psykers walking into groups and self exploding over and over again and that's only cute for so long

so im fine with it mostly just preventing the down and sometimes, with set up or some luck, it'll save you completely

[burnt frigate]

The only drawback of Crystalline that I don't like currently is the elite only refund.

but makes you more situationally aware.

[vast yew]

https://tenor.com/view/happsouls-happy-souls-dark-souls-dark-souls2-gif-19580913

[rigid moss]

Empathic Evasions position hurts a bit.

[thorn cedar]

no change for me

still the first pick after crit aura

[burnt frigate]

Distance from KP?

[vast yew]

?
It's one point away from Psykinetics, and you're always taking Psykinetics

[rigid moss]

Yus, but its "out of the way", so to say, not "in the way"

[thorn cedar]

PA is in the way which annoys me somewhat but whatever

[long saddle]

it's silly power fantasy, but other roguelikes have more ways of choosing what perks to get by like re-rolling and such

[burnt frigate]

Two points invested when you're not planning on taking psykinetics can hurt.

[rigid moss]

anticipation, owtw and just a dream lead further down, EE doesnt

I mean its worth the extra point I reckon, it's a good talent. I just wish it switched position with one of the others.

[vast yew]

Not sure why you wouldn't take Psykinetics, given how powerful it is.
You can get permanent bubble off just Psykinetics, for example.

[thorn cedar]

sciers rarely needs it

[long saddle]

and when you go in to it wanting to use a specific indulgence and it's just not there it can be p annoying

some just give you boosts to stuff you can't even use that well, like fire ones on characters that can't reliably produce fire

[rigid moss]

Hmm. Souldrinker I assume for Inferno? And then Empyric Shock and/or Wildfire?

[burnt frigate]

I like CW. It can proc KF. That's fun.

[patent mango]

probably cause its not really progressing the story? i dunno

[rigid moss]

Wildfire is nice and cheap now

[vast yew]

Souldrinker is for Inferno/Fire Trauma, yeah

[rigid moss]

wonder if it's worth the point.

[patent mango]

people mostly just want maps rn to get done with dark rituals

[long saddle]

it's also too much waiting in mortis and no option to go endless

[vast yew]

Wildfire is always worth on Soulblaze builds because it spreads Soulblaze nice and far for KF/IFR/Souldrinker

[patent mango]

i want mortis endless for sure

[rigid moss]

Yeah but it was further out of the way in the previous tree iteration, I like that it's like right there now. ES is probably a good bonus talent as well.

[long saddle]

I'm not sure I want wave 10-12 to be the basis for all endless but

[vast yew]

ES is good but there's a lot of juicy talents at the top and bottom

[rigid moss]

Eh. I like the new tree. At least from an initial impression. Lots of ways to go and have points left over to build to your liking.

[azure sun]

Anyone else find curios missing on some of their loadouts when they first loaded in?

[rigid moss]

Yeah that's how I feel

[long saddle]

nope

[rigid moss]

but that's cool. You can allocate more points based on personal preference than before.

Less on "building up to what I need"

[long saddle]

yeah it's fomo tree

[rigid moss]

I like the layout. As I said, at least from an early impression kind of pov.

[long saddle]

you want everything now that it's easy to get

[rigid moss]

yeah

[pale prairie]

What’s the general feeling on some of the guns buffed in the patch. Worth using now?

[rigid moss]

more of a luxury problem than a not enough points problem

[burnt frigate]

How's soulblaze holding up in aurics for you guys? It feels really weak for me but I didn't bother tweeking it once the melee psyker fantasy was fulfilled.

[rigid moss]

and I'd rather have the former than the latter

[vast yew]

Soulblaze as in Fire Trauma or Inferno?

[burnt frigate]

Either. I like both

[rigid moss]

bubble knight also seems easy to build now

[long saddle]

I did fire trauma in auric mortis and it was fine

[static sonnet]

Yeah I just wish EE would switch with anticipation thats all I want

[long saddle]

haven't done any inferno yet

[rigid moss]

or with owtw

[vast yew]

Fire Trauma is same as it ever was. Inferno is a bit weaker now that Elites have more HP but it still melts everything if your team plays around you.

[strong gulch]

If there's a lot of front loaded damage, SB doesn't have the time to do a lot.

[rigid moss]

Hmm. I have one point left over. Penetration of the Soul? Kinetic Flayer? Battle Meditation? Soulstealer?

[long saddle]

KF

otherwise I wouldn't bother with BB

[burnt frigate]

Hmmm maybe a bargin bubble knight voidblastin soulblaze combo? That sounds fun.

[rigid moss]

Eh. With Inferno / Bubble build, all of the Blitzes are kinda meh

[long saddle]

nah BB KF is always worth on inferno

[vast yew]

KF is always good on Inferno

[long saddle]

it's free procs

[vast yew]

especially with Wildfire and the newly buffed consistency + lower cooldown + higher damage

[rigid moss]

Mhm.

[radiant frigate]

new kf is epic

[rigid moss]

Right.

I'll go play around with it.

[radiant frigate]

can denogginize bigger elites in one bonk reliably with fgs

[vast yew]

If you're feeling really frisky you could even swap over to EP, since Psykinetics is enough for 100% uptime on Bubble

[burnt frigate]

The damage of BB/KF scales so well.

[rigid moss]

so something like https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9ff4d489-812c-4736-b77e-ebba63e7ca8a

plus minus a bit

[long saddle]

I only run bubble inferno on havoc so I want WS for even more bubbles

[vast yew]

If you want to spam Bubble like every 10 seconds then yeah you need WS for that

[long saddle]

otherwise I go shriek for even more fire

[vast yew]

Okay well technically you can only get it down to 12.375 seconds, but close enough

[long saddle]

they shred bubbles there so

[vast yew]

New Plasma Gunner spam goes pew pew

[long saddle]

idk if it does more DPS to bubbles than just regular gunners tho

[burnt frigate]

Does anyone know if dmg resist vs curios effect the bubble? Would 50% reduced gunner taken make the bubble survive?

[long saddle]

that'd be weird if it did

[zealous wing]

it has begun

[wraith sphinx]

:///////////////////

[vast yew]

Pretty sure it doesn't, but you should have Gunner Res on your Curio anyways (unless the math on that changed)

[wraith sphinx]

got this shit like 7 times since the update already