psyker-class

[ripe obsidian]

What fun

At least my Psyker damage numbers are even more absurd than before.

2m+ damage before anyone else hits 1m

[sturdy reef]

that tracks about right

[ripe obsidian]

I am more strongly considering dropping KD. I wasn't getting a ton of use out of it, and with Warp Ghost I am basically always at 80% peril

And like 8 bars of stamina

[sturdy reef]

Wg reqhires a plus stam node

[ripe obsidian]

Yes.

[sturdy reef]

So I agree to just drop kd

[ripe obsidian]

And WG gives 2 stamina

Is silly

Hmmm. Maybe this. Could swap Anticipation for the Ogryn damage node.

I'm considering Anticipation mostly because of all the bombers. I want to dodge out of the endless rain of fire

[sturdy reef]

I dont run those tdr nodes

Cuz Id be dead anyway

Anticipation, pa and ee for me

[edgy heart]

Thoughts on just a dream?

[sturdy reef]

Maybe owtw

Its good

[ripe obsidian]

Is good. I don't particularly want it, but it is good

[wraith sphinx]

Anyone played havoc with that stimm modifier? How is it like

[ripe obsidian]

The only one you didn't list is Immaterial, which has stun immunity

[sturdy reef]

Blue stimms

[ripe obsidian]

Brutal.

[sturdy reef]

Blue stimms bad

[ripe obsidian]

And honestly not visually clear

[sturdy reef]

Make enemy way tankier

And stun immunity

[wraith sphinx]

What does it do exactly, punish you for stimming yourself?

[sturdy reef]

No

[ripe obsidian]

Enemies have stimms

[sturdy reef]

Enemies stimm themselves

[ripe obsidian]

All enemies, all types

[sturdy reef]

The stimm sound plays and their eyes glow

They have access to all the stimm types

[wraith sphinx]

Individuals or groups?

[sturdy reef]

Groups

[wraith sphinx]

Haha

[ripe obsidian]

Any enemy can stim

[sturdy reef]

They all pop it

They do play an animation

Blue is by far the scariest imo

[wraith sphinx]

Damn I gotta check that out for myself

[sturdy reef]

Felt like they had 2x the ehp and had stun immunity

Green I think is still a heal

[wraith sphinx]

I imagine green stim makes them regen?

[sturdy reef]

Red dmg

[ripe obsidian]

You do this?

[sturdy reef]

Ya, for my shriek build

Yellow idk what it does

[ripe obsidian]

Hm.

[sturdy reef]

Could go with the 25% dr instead

I think owtw is reserved for sg builds now

[ripe obsidian]

Blue stimm effects:

• Carapace override, making dots inherently less effective

• Reduces Armour Damage Modifiers (ADMs):

• 0.8 ADM reduction for unarmoured, unyielding, infested and maniac

• 0.6 ADM reduction for flak, and carapace

• Reduces impact by 200%

• Green stimm effects:

• 50% reduced damage taken from Burning dot, Bleeding dot, Electrocution dot, and warp damage

• Reduces impact by 100%

• Increases health pool by 70% at havoc ranks 1 to 10, 80% from havoc 11 to 20 and 100% from 21 to 40

• Red stimm effects:

• 40% increased melee attack speed

• 90% stagger duration reduction

• Yellow stimm effects:

• Increases weakspot damage taken by 4x

• Reduces ADMs by 0.35 for all armour types

• 30% ranged attack speed increase

• 5x shots fired in a volley

• 30% melee attack speed

[sturdy reef]

Ya

Blue is insane

[verbal thistle]

Btw

If they stim it resets their stagger

[sturdy reef]

Interesting

[verbal thistle]

Was hitting bulwark and he stimmed mid stagger

And fully reset

Or couldn't been stim affect

Didn't notice what color

[sturdy reef]

The stimm mod feels like a straight up buffed red and orange mod from last havok rotation

Just with no enemy hit mass changes

[acoustic jacinth]

Pack of yellow shooters sounds fun

[ripe obsidian]

Stims are insane

Stim + purple H32 felt harder than any H40 I have done

[sturdy reef]

When red stimm is cracked and yet the easiest one to play around

Ya

[verbal thistle]

If you don't kill them fast enough then they all stim

[sturdy reef]

Mhmm

[verbal thistle]

The entire horde was stimmed in my solo

The sound affects was funny

[ripe obsidian]

Brutal

[sturdy reef]

Obv the solution is melee psyker

[ripe obsidian]

Bonk

[wraith sphinx]

Warpshock slash the entire planet

[sturdy reef]

Nah fgs dmg is just that guy

[ripe obsidian]

My issue there is that my peril is already so high all the time now w/ ghost. Gaining peril on being hit is unappealing as Staffker

[sturdy reef]

Im going sg staffker anyway idrc

[ripe obsidian]

As meleeker, gimme the peril

[sturdy reef]

The quelling is pretty damn fast with reality anchor

And solidity

[edgy heart]

Has anyone done kamikaze psyker yet? Ngo sounds fun in concept

[wraith sphinx]

I don't think I'll use peril on hit on my meleeker

Because that requires pathing thru pa which I genuinely do not need

Alas

[verbal thistle]

Explosions not even enough to kill a shotgunner

Can 1 shot malice ragers though

[crude flare]

Gm chat

[edgy heart]

Wait really

[verbal thistle]

From my testing yeah

Maybe some talents can buff it a little more

But it needs the enemies to be already low to kill with that I used

[ripe obsidian]

Oh Ainz of the chat, bestow upon me your wisdom. What think ye of this inferno build? I am pondering my last 2 points, which are currently in the Ogryn damage node and anticipation

[glacial vapor]

Sounds like how it was before, has the new damage buff applied I wonder

[ripe obsidian]

Yes, but every enemy got buffed too

It cancels out

[glacial vapor]

Not the dregs

[ripe obsidian]

Fair

[upper sun]

WHAT

they added negative effects for stims?

[verbal thistle]

Looks fine

[wraith sphinx]

no

thats for enemies on the havoc modifiers I think

[verbal thistle]

I already planned out what most of my talent trees will look like

[upper sun]

more info i dont have to learn

[wraith sphinx]

I might give havoc gunkering another try

it should be less hellish with all the new toughness gen talents we have now

[ripe obsidian]

I want to steal them

[verbal thistle]

The warp expenditure wasn't meant to be crossed

I forgot they changed it

[ripe obsidian]

Poor Anticipation.

[verbal thistle]

Most skill trees will often go through this pathing

[ripe obsidian]

Warp Expenditure is fantastic now

[verbal thistle]

Yeah I saw that

Replaced mettle for toughess regen

For a melee focus

[ripe obsidian]

Aye

[wraith sphinx]

the talent distribution in bottom half of the tree is interesting, definitely has me considering going lingering influence instead of perfectionism+cf again

[dusk wren]

how good is battle meditation with scrier

[wraith sphinx]

I don't use it

[mighty fractal]

Regarding Just a Dream: Do sources of generic peril generation affect it?

As in, does stacking -peril generation on the tree (Empyric Resolve, that small -10% peril generation node in the middle final cluster) result in less damage taken from Just a Dream? Does it just result in a lower amount of peril generated after conversion?

Ideally, taking -peril generation would directly translate to less damage taken overall, as if this were Path of Exile with damage converted to elemental mods

[dusk wren]

what about warp ghost

eh actually nvm, that's pretty generic

[mighty fractal]

Warp Ghost is a bag of goodies

[wraith sphinx]

warp ghost is goated

[mighty fractal]

Pretty sure everything in there is good: the +25% toughness replenishment offsets almost all of Empyric Resolves -30% toughness replenished (and is a big buff if you don't take Empyric Resolve), extra stamina is great for Kinetic Deflection

[dusk wren]

i'm doing a scrier greatsword build, i can't use either i don't think

[azure rapids]

Hey guys, the new update changed in any way the havoc meta? Or is it still inferno spamming?

[mighty fractal]

The -80% passive quelling means you quell out of combat way slower, but that actually helps for edging peril (and you usually manually quell anyway)

Inferno got even stronger this patch lol

[dusk wren]

better pathing means inferno can also just go with assail no?

without sacrificing nodes

[manic bridge]

with 30 stacks of SG, 6 Warp Siphon, and Crystalline Will. I got the explosion up to a pitiful amount of 1.7k

[wraith sphinx]

the new ds parry is not bad but man I don't like the ds anymore

gonna be using taxe more now

[mighty fractal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1419998275422916648/image.png?ex=68d474b3&is=68d32333&hm=8f2d67f2f1bf07b58cd0bd9e185e8d81c838468032f6cfc238712f7f44c2f096&

Okay, just found this post by Kuli

-Peril Regen affects Just a Dream's damage conversion

We are Path of Exile now

[radiant frigate]

imposter
my vet is named Valerie

[mighty fractal]

I'm not sure how it maths out in actual gameplay (taking lots of small gunfire hits + the occasional melee hit), but Empyric Resolve essentially acts as a massive damage reduction modifier (assuming you aren't at critical peril). Battle Meditation and the small -10% peril gen node less so

it saved me a couple times from dying to silent bursters in my last H31 game

[viscid matrix]

So 25% Dr, with a bit of peril gain that we can mitigate

[wraith sphinx]

My zealot is named Valeria lol

[hidden violet]

what would I be thinking about on a smite build now? warp damage + peril gen?

[fresh reef]

Still less than unbuffed brain burst

Crazy work

[fresh reef]

Why are the words thinking and smite in the same sentence?

[wraith sphinx]

damn this event progress is fast lol

[twin turret]

So what did they actually change for the skill tree?

Or just nodepathways

[nocturne dust]

A lot

They removed some nodes, subsumed some, changed some, nerfed some

[twin turret]

Did they buff chainlightning builds?

[hidden violet]

anything relevant to my question or just attempts at humor?

[nocturne dust]

They shoved one of smite's subnodes into base smite, so yes

You have one extra talent point

[twin turret]

How helpful🥲☠️

Inferno still best?

[nocturne dust]

Yeap

[twin turret]

Fuck on that ive no remembrance of my inferno build

Thats not gon be fun

Guess im just playing arbitrator until someone posts a inferno build☠️

[nocturne dust]

It's inferno, pick some nodes and it'll work

Ugh, I have to update my guide

[twin turret]

Yes☠️

[twin turret]

No☠️, i refuse

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/weakness-disgusts-me-madara-uchiha-madara-naruto-weakness-disgust-me-gif-17219305

[vernal temple]

wtf are these zealot pants

[nocturne dust]

cushioned for when the crusher knocks them on their arse

[vernal temple]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-eternal-glory-kill-doom-glory-kill-doom-eternal-zombie-gif-18694440

[twin turret]

Bro i actually really wish they made that fit for the phyks

[vernal temple]

the helmet is ugly af though

[nocturne dust]

You will take your 372nd blindfold + collar and like it

[vernal temple]

this is the best zealot helmet I'd say. cool visor, cool rebreather, full flak helmet, black colour, matches perfectly with the Moebian 53rd set

this is my permanent zealot drip

[twin turret]

The helmet is a little fuckn spesh

[icy breach]

It is godly ngl

[twin turret]

My ‘perm’ phyk drip has been the full death korps of kreig set

It is beautiful

[tranquil sluice]

is there a video out for people abusing the new crystaline will yet? :p i just know someone will make a compilation of that

[long saddle]

great minds think alike

[twin turret]

THERES A FUCKING PEGLEG?

[long saddle]

yeah it's from last rotation

[twin turret]

FUCK

[vernal temple]

even the radio backpack

[long saddle]

it's still in the shop so you can still get it

[vernal temple]

if only the pants were black and not dark grey

[radiant frigate]

sprint slide protection for your cheeks

[wraith sphinx]

Shroudfield carapace, steel legion pants and 110th backpack is still my favorite combo

Protectus cuirass and black leathed pants my second fave for when I'm feeling fancy

[vernal temple]

here are 3 of my fav psyker drip combinations

[wind spruce]

HE'S BACK

Is there any change to which guns are top tier on psyker?

Is precog still bad? Of course it is

[vernal temple]

who's back?

https://tenor.com/view/eminem-mask-robin-gif-9364114

[wind spruce]

your lord and saviour

[vernal temple]

Jeremy Clarkson?

[wind spruce]

not that racist fuck, no

[velvet sand]

I prefer the more religious nutjob crusader looking helmets

I really like that new hexorcist hood actually idk id its new

swore I saw it before but they added some golden circlet and a eye augmetic

[spice flame]

quick question, do you take ER for melee SG psyker

[nocturne dust]

no

[nocturne dust]

yes

[wind spruce]

hehehe

[nocturne dust]

We got some cool changes to the tree

[wind spruce]

yeah its sexy af

[nocturne dust]

Unlucky for Some was reduced to atoms 😭

Gone but not forgotten 😔

[wind spruce]

love the psykinetics aura change

[wind spruce]

what's that again

[nocturne dust]

The node that gave toughness when an ally downed

[wind spruce]

oh LMAO

no wonder i couldnt remember it

scriers giving weakspot damage is new right?

i know the toughness stuff is new

[spice flame]

toughness was a node for SG

they squished it yeah

[nocturne dust]

They halved the damage buff iirc

So yes but not really

[wind spruce]

it used to be 10% flat damage

[nocturne dust]

Was it just 10? Might be misremembering

[wind spruce]

yeah definitely

[nocturne dust]

Then yes, completely new

[wind spruce]

cool 😄

[nocturne dust]

Speed is still a node on its own 😭

[wind spruce]

lmao the peril slow potential is nuts now if you go over to ER and take reality anchor

[wind spruce]

ohwell, tis fun

atleast the other travel tax nodes are improved

[nocturne dust]

Stack inner tranq on top

Warp Battery is free now

[tacit stump]

uhm are there manny kamikaze psykers

[nocturne dust]

well, not free, but free-er

No more base damage per charge node, that got subsumed

[wind spruce]

id say free

[nocturne dust]

no

[wind spruce]

still bad surely

+100% damage is still shit

[nocturne dust]

They could double the numbers on Crystalline Will and it would still be a do-not-take, lol

[tacit stump]

i think they need to rework dclaw after the shange to dsword

[nocturne dust]

Why?

Dclaw is still better at parrying

[tacit stump]

how so

[nocturne dust]

Dsword has a pause after parry, so you can't just spam parry

Waaaaaaay different

[tacit stump]

do you see somebody run around with dclaw or heavy sword

[cosmic cobalt]

dclaw also suck at everything that isn't parrying

it does need buff

[nocturne dust]

Dclaw does need a buff, yes

[cosmic cobalt]

heavy sword at least have bm but honestly it still isn't that good

[nocturne dust]

Hm, I guess that's what they meant by rework

I read that as "gotta change it up a lot, give it a new niche"

[tacit stump]

i don't mind the ds shamges personally

thought they would be harder

[nocturne dust]

I dislike it. I would maybe use the special before

I'm never using that parry special, lol

[tacit stump]

parries single ragers and overheads

[nocturne dust]

Have you considered dodging

[cosmic cobalt]

it ok now ds have massive stagger on everything

just pretend youre using special all the time

[tacit stump]

i normally dodge but by ragers i like a opener like that or for monsters

[nocturne dust]

Staggering a bulwark with elongated thimble sword was a new one, lol

[wind spruce]

35% damage reduction feels nutty but not convinced its worth

[nocturne dust]

25%

[wind spruce]

isnt there two talents

[nocturne dust]

and I love it

[nocturne dust]

oh

yes

I take em both

They're great

You can survive an overhead with them

[wind spruce]

hahah we finally did, siblings

people been claiming we could survive a crusher for years

its actually happened

[nocturne dust]

-# You could do it before with bubble popping shenanigans

[wind spruce]

bubble tho, gross

[tacit stump]

how do you think now about psykers thoughness generation

[nocturne dust]

It got crazier, lol

[wind spruce]

its about the same for staff builds isnt it?

[tacit stump]

meeleker is now tankier or not

[edgy heart]

I can finally use assail and have psykinetic aura, I'm so happy

[nocturne dust]

Well, no more mettle shenanigans I guess

[wind spruce]

mettle is a nerf

[tacit stump]

same

[nocturne dust]

😔

[wind spruce]

and we got melee toughness buffs

and scriers toughness buffs

[nocturne dust]

but at what cost

[wind spruce]

thats it isnt it?

[nocturne dust]

psy aura got nuked

[edgy heart]

Free

[wind spruce]

this is the real win

assail is so goated

[tacit stump]

what happened to mettle shenanigans

[nocturne dust]

not free, no more OP psy aura 😔

[edgy heart]

If the nerf allows me to use it, so be it

[wind spruce]

its toughness over time instead of per hit

so you cant fill the bar 10 times with one recon clip

[edgy heart]

Before I couldn't use assail, now I can, I won

[tacit stump]

the new with insta heal per hit is it better with light weapons like deimos and ds

[wind spruce]

what

[nocturne dust]

high speed weapons yeah

[tacit stump]

firestorm build with assail

[nocturne dust]

warp expenditure

It became... different

[wind spruce]

oh right, yeah

melee toughness buffs

much better

thought fenrir meant mettle

[tacit stump]

nope

[manic bridge]

When does my Psyker get a helbore lasgun considering the other classes stole the dueling sword

[tacit stump]

we got heavy sword for it

[wind spruce]

@nocturne dust my issue with taking both damage reduction talents is it really bloats gunker in the middle

[nocturne dust]

Yeah

We still have a ton of tax nodes 😭

[wind spruce]

is psykinetics technically tax now xD

[tacit stump]

lol

[edgy heart]

In general I'm really happy with all 3 tree changes, now i can freely change auras before a game if someone else has it

[wind spruce]

(it is if there's two psykers lol)

[wind spruce]

changing auras without rebuilding your whole tree still needs to be base game

[tacit stump]

true i just go for crit aura

[marble crater]

Dodge counter is base game now, maybe soon

[wind spruce]

yeah i saw that, love it

[tacit stump]

you have your new bars already

[nocturne dust]

it doesn't buff others anymore

[wind spruce]

oh no shit

LOL

so gutted

[nocturne dust]

Congratz, you can use it with assail now.

[wind spruce]

its still essentially permanent +100% CDR for me though

and its not like i care about my teammates...

[nocturne dust]

You're killing an elite/special every 3 seconds?

[wind spruce]

you OR ALLY dead

[marble crater]

For yourself it's still more than fine

[nocturne dust]

My allies are indeed dead

[summer prairie]

Is it true that it doesn't buff others because Kuli's guide still doesn't say that

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, it's a node

[plucky flax]

I prefer numeric ui dodge counter. I already have too many bars

[nocturne dust]

Someone else said it so I believed them

[marble crater]

Delete some of your cheats then

[wind spruce]

needs paths here, psyker still bad SMDH head

[plucky flax]

No i prefer to use third party cheat. Official cheat is lame

[summer prairie]

Shriek is still super spammable with warp charges. Every elite kill is still -3s, just not stackable

[nocturne dust]

which is way worse

[summer prairie]

Didn't feel like it

[edgy heart]

Is basically base game now

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, it's weird how constrained psyker is compared to zealot and vet

[edgy heart]

In the 3 new trees at least

[tacit stump]

mods game with numeric ui

[wind spruce]

100% permanent vs 5% every time YOU an elite/special doesnt change the CDR for ourselves a huge amount

outside of huge kill farming with lame inferno staff

[nocturne dust]

It does in Havoc

[nocturne dust]

exactly

[summer prairie]

It doesn't

Once Powerdi works I can show

[plucky flax]

What cheat mods are broken?

Skitarius works?

[summer prairie]

Almost none

[plucky flax]

[summer prairie]

Just a few random ones I don't use

[nocturne dust]

Markers broke

There were a couple others

[wind spruce]

lmao skitarius looks broken

[summer prairie]

Nah

[wind spruce]

reminds me of my 1-button hunter back in BC WoW

[icy breach]

I would say the current change for it is better; i can smite & on each smite cast i can shriek; it comes back that fast its stupid

[wind spruce]

literally hit one button all raid fight for a super complex damage rotation

[nocturne dust]

That... that's the same

Heck, that's worse since you could sometimes chain shrieks

[wraith sphinx]

idk guys psyker still too weak

we need another 50 million toughness gen talents next patch

[nocturne dust]

No no

[wind spruce]

well its more consistent now, with a ~15s base w/ PA and -45% from WS thats, what, an ~8s cooldown EVERY single time assuming you get WCs back

[nocturne dust]

We need LMB staff buffs clearly

[icy breach]

Now you almost always do; previously it was more rare

[radiant frigate]

i am not sure hunter is any different now

[nocturne dust]

I really wish they'd give up on trying to make staff LMB a thing. Give us something cool instead of empyric shock and channeled force

[radiant frigate]

oh and also this still happens https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/PqP_rveuS7W3QZ0rAzLcIpYtad6_v3gZ4VYehvSeqWE/https/64.media.tumblr.com/4f800f97b96a8a562add3038e7e139bb/tumblr_pmghg59jdG1tdkm1co1_1280.jpg?format=webp

[wind spruce]

if hunter is OP, i approve

spent way too many of my prime WoW years in the darkness of worst at almost everything

[radiant frigate]

apparently they were epic in bc

[manic bridge]

Heavy sword
Looks inside
Wet noodle

[tacit stump]

what gave vet the others?

[glacial vapor]

Voidstrike is right there

Just requires a little gambling

[wind spruce]

i think they were in early bc but i was still a noob then

[manic bridge]

I must be blind because the only staff I can see is trauma

[glacial vapor]

Please see your optician

You may have cateracts

[radiant frigate]

wouldn't it be cool if heavy sword wasn't so pointless

[manic bridge]

He spoke ill of my beloved and suddenly he wasn't there anymore

[tacit stump]

how so

[radiant frigate]

genosse yggdrasil is not caught up on the beloved lore

[glacial vapor]

I don't love it on psyker, since you usually use your melee for armour.

But it's great on vet & decent on zealot

[wraith sphinx]

hsword is cool paired with bb

[radiant frigate]

perhaps

[radiant frigate]

oh btw your french sniper lady had a near-death experience

we love landed UFOs

[manic bridge]

Have you ever wanted to give 20 people a paper cut at the same time? Heavy sword might be for you

[glacial vapor]

Guaranteed crusher kill every time (it takes 12s to kill one)

[wraith sphinx]

classic

my Xenonauts 2 game turned into a bloodbath

[radiant frigate]

yes i am told they never miss

[wraith sphinx]

which is good because I've lived to reach the final mission

[glacial vapor]

One taps a dreg rager

This paper cutter is sharp

[wraith sphinx]

the lizards may throw poison gas nades at robots but they're still lethal otherwise

[cold geode]

Warp ghost slows passive quelling by -80% yes? Fatshark wording is weird.

[marble crater]

Yes

[tacit stump]

you still csn active Quell

[glacial vapor]

I wonder if they considered that a downside lol

[marble crater]

Well, that's a double negative. It slows passive quell speed by 80%, passive quelling is 80% slower

[deft stump]

That was why I was confused.

[tribal echo]

did they buff the shit out of scryers gaze or however you spell that

[north crown]

I can now play unchained, minus the personality and great aesthetic.

[heavy hamlet]

What's the quickest way to farm smite penance? I really don't like using smite, but I need to get Psyker Master of War done

[glacial vapor]

Just put smite on your build and ignore it. If you have a smyker in your lobby, those kills count

Unless they broke that with the update

But thats how I did mine

[wraith sphinx]

yippee

vent purge with this was kinda bullshit but still a fun event

[celest valve]

ep smyker should still work. Get empowered psionics, wait until large horde, channel your inner palpatine.

[thorn cedar]

Yeah EP smite

Is the way to go

Otherwise you won't be able to kill anything with a full hold without shriek or Scriers

[zealous wing]

tbh you dont even have to kill them

just, stun them, and someone else kills them

[wraith sphinx]

nobody ever kills them

gotta do everything yourself

[zealous wing]

usually because smykers always use it as a "oh this will stop the problem" and not realise "oh shit now what, i need to quell"

so most of us leave them to live, or die, of their own actions

[jovial juniper]

Dog or mutant waves

So get EP Smite

Queue dog mutie waves

And spam it

[zealous wing]

that will take a lot of dogs

far easier to just run a mortis trial and spam it there tbh

[dusk void]

Screw them plasma gunners

[zealous wing]

tbh i misread the event at first

its not killing the gunners, its killing captains

[marble crater]

Killing gunners would take like one mission

[wraith sphinx]

ye

[tacit stump]

in special low light missions

[zealous wing]

yeah the events are all vent purge or lights out

[tacit stump]

i had twice lightsout didn't playef more Yesterday

[marble crater]

Sadly I only had vent purge, lights out is much better

[zealous wing]

but it gives you both?

like you can choose which to go with

[marble crater]

But I always just click on quick play

[tacit stump]

had yesterday flashbang in face through bridge floodlight cause evelator defence

[zealous wing]

lol that still happens? thats glorious

backup generator specifically for ambush lights

gloriana on lights out also isnt that bad, because the final area is all still lit

[marble crater]

We need lights out on the hourglass maps

[cosmic cobalt]

who ever added lightout to the game need to be turned into a servitor

[zealous wing]

night and day versions could be cool also, if theres like an ingame time system, where they switch after every irl hour or so

[upper sun]

we need lights on

[zealous wing]

or merely special condition level if its hourglass's versionm of lights out

[upper sun]

anyone play the event yet?

[zealous wing]

i have

a couple

[upper sun]

its kinda good tbh

[marble crater]

Blocked

[manic bridge]

gotta pay the electric bill

[zealous wing]

its not bad, no

[upper sun]

i played it on zealot

the new enemies+extra hoards and me forgetting how to play thammer made it fun again

[patent steeple]

idk, heavy sword seems to be better than dclaw for attack-spam thanks to Headtaker imo...

[cosmic cobalt]

dclaw 0 horde clear

0 carapace

7 time died due to parry not working

[zealous wing]

so, BM is not quite enough peril quell to keep peril high but also keep SG active, and BCoB is too good at lowering peril, but also keeps SG active... is there a skill im not seeing that is like, right in the middle 😭

[wind spruce]

are you running assail?

[upper sun]

@marble crater those peegunners are no joke

[zealous wing]

yes, im a frontline gunker

[wind spruce]

then take BCoB and weave assail into your rotation

https://outplayed.tv/warhammer-40k-darktide/d3l7Kb

[zealous wing]

if i use assail while horde clearing, it wont be fast enough. an assail is 10 peril. BCoB quells 10 peril, per kill

[wind spruce]

assail weave demo ^

fair play

helps somewhat though

and at a certain point through SG it will start helping

[zealous wing]

yeah, it does, when i use it to go after specials / elites within the horde

[wind spruce]

assail weave will increase your horde clear in general

[manic bridge]

if you have no desire for the force greatsword special you can make one with terrible peril resistance to get an instant 40% peril per activation

[zealous wing]

i have both

well not terrible WR but, its dump stat

and the horde clear on FGS special is far too useful to just never use

honestly i could probably just take solidity

on top of BM

[wraith sphinx]

Yea you could say so

[zealous wing]

because im also balancing ghost so im just trying to not feckin splode when i need to assail something

[upper sun]

tbh i think they should slow down the peegunners by like .1 sec

[wraith sphinx]

shootouts with plasma gunners in vent purge fog honestly got the blood flowing

but their ROF is just a bit too fast

[zealous wing]

yeah they have a buffer if they DONT hit you

if they do they continue

[upper sun]

our like make them not spawn in packs of 20

[wraith sphinx]

also bb gunker no longer miserable to build and actually kinda fun to play

emperor fuckin bless

[manic bridge]

idk your build but if bcob is doing too much you can take BM, Empyric resolve, and the 10% peril reduction minor node 1 tree over from ER

[wraith sphinx]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ff45845-e1cc-4b1b-9341-33815857c7ca/brainsplosion-gun-psyker-a-new-dawn

I'm running this rn

[zealous wing]

that would require 3 changes, not counting the toss up between BM abd BCoB (which would make 4)

[marble crater]

And they are very cool looking

[wraith sphinx]

yeah they are metal as fuck

iron warriors core

[zealous wing]

this is what im running atm

[jovial juniper]

Outnumbered
But not outgunned

[left hare]

i removed KD for ghost + empyric, will i regret this decision 🤔

[spice oar]

That frame is actually cool as fuck

Lovely colours

[zealous wing]

as soon as you have to fend off a DH in havoc, yes

otherwise, its kinda meh, especially if you dont use deflector

i say this as a KD must-haver

[manic bridge]

hmm i can see 2 possible swaps warp speed and true aim giving you enough to grab empyric resolve and swap over to BM from bcob
warp speed is QoL and true aim isnt as great since you already have a good amount of crit

[zealous wing]

as a boss killer on vraks its probably a good idea to keep, but, i can consider. warp speed on the other hand, is extremely useful for getting away from something, or getting to something/someone to defend, so thats staying

[manic bridge]

Id say maybe one of the assial nodes then if you dont use it much but if you spam it from my understanding its not good without both

it might actually work without quick shard since you wont be using it during SG much if you are trying to maintain it. that should give them time to regen and while SG on cd you can spam out shards

[pale prairie]

Similar struggle. Because I am tight on points I am just buying space with pushes to manually quell then toss out all my darts before diving back in. It’s not going too bad

[radiant frigate]

skipping MM feels insane

[wraith sphinx]

unupgraded disrupt destiny is also bonkers to see

[radiant frigate]

and also skipping all of the fresh DR talents

[thorn cedar]

@zealous wing try mind in motion

[wraith sphinx]

trap talent

[pale prairie]

KAT you are a gentleman and a scholar

[thorn cedar]

its not literally passive quelling but if your issue is just preventing yourself from hitting 100% in scriers then you can do that very easily by tapping quell inbetween actions and it naturally flows with quell cancelling the assail shards

because i have the same issue. BM is a touch too slow and infrequent and BCoB is way too fucking effective which makes it shit

[bronze hound]

Is MkV Duolingo Sword any good?

[thorn cedar]

si, just use it every day or itll annoy you

[pale prairie]

No it will get sad and DIE

[marble crater]

No, it has trouble with translating high Gothic

[radiant frigate]

as a duolingo sword it is well-versed in many languages of murder

[thorn cedar]

thats my favourite typo in months

[pale prairie]

Or is it low gothic? I CANNOT TELL

[bronze hound]

Duolingo Sword speaks esperanto

[marble crater]

Bhaal sword?

[marble crater]

Neither can the uneducated zealots

[radiant frigate]

bhaalin', but at what cost?

[pale prairie]

I dunno is it fucking its daughter?

[marble crater]

I don't know, I need to continue BG3

[pale prairie]

You’ll understand some day

[buoyant maple]

New psyker tree with SG + 25DD can make FGS hit harder than power sword lol

[radiant frigate]

gaming

[pale prairie]

Finally

[wraith sphinx]

cool

[buoyant maple]

It’s super point intensive tho

[pale prairie]

Yep

[thorn cedar]

i spent all night demolishing the new crushers

[radiant frigate]

is there any hidden lore behind the name 50rem

[pale prairie]

Remington

[long ibex]

hello guys, im looking some smite build is there anyone who can give me advice or skill tree?

[manic bridge]

If Mind in motion let you quell/ reload while sprinting it would be alright

[buoyant maple]

Like
No soulblaze kind of point intensive

[wraith sphinx]

yeah it's a pregenerated pirate ship name from Starsector that I liked so I made it my online handle

[thorn cedar]

Warp Speed baby

[upper sun]

pfff i spent all night demolishing BEERS

[wraith sphinx]

rem as in roentgen equivalent man

[radiant frigate]

piwo piwo piwo

[manic bridge]

its fun but Ive never needed it

[upper sun]

PIWO PIWO PIWO

[thorn cedar]

If you're not move speed maxing there's no point in MiM

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/piwo-gif-9134806494356314119

[upper sun]

(theres no point to MiM in general)

[manic bridge]

theres no point in MiM anyways

[radiant frigate]

no pint? not interested

[upper sun]

NOW if MiM also let you reload/quell while mantling/jumping/falling/sliding

[pale prairie]

Still wouldn’t

[zealous wing]

yeah theres just so much shit to try

[upper sun]

it could be a tier 2 usable

[zealous wing]

plus, VM and WG

[upper sun]

tbh we gotta reevaluate psyker tree now has a lot more free points you can afford 1/2 for meme talents

[zealous wing]

as far as unupgraded DD, im not having issues maintaining it yet, so for the experiemental process its fine

[zealous wing]

..... you do know you can quell and reload while sliding, right?

[buoyant maple]

I ran this lol

[upper sun]

not if you start it mid slide, if you start it before yeah

[marble crater]

Something like this with 3 more points for stuff you want, don't use smite too much, is my advice. Sometimes less is more

[marble crater]

Why not pick the 25 stacks then?

[pale prairie]

I want them to just get rid of one or two white nodes (toughness mandatory ones) and just give us increased base

[zealous wing]

.... WDYM

[upper sun]

https://tenor.com/view/nuggetand-cat-car-cat-meme-cats-gif-13549128190129307854

[radiant frigate]

also, since our talent tree is so pretty now, we should make symmetrical builds

[zealous wing]

because skill point i dont have atm

[marble crater]

I don't think you need the assail pierce and warp splitting

[radiant frigate]

brain burst with MM also sounds epic

[marble crater]

Warp splitting is better

[pale prairie]

My builds are not symmetric at all

[radiant frigate]

i think I'll bring back fgs voidstrike

with headsplosion

[marble crater]

[radiant frigate]

could be good fun

[pale prairie]

Have to play the game to do that…..

[radiant frigate]

true...

[marble crater]

Gottem

[upper sun]

its ok bros in 4 months we get new staves

[radiant frigate]

but buildcraft is free

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/now-youre-just-somebody-that-i-used-to-know-wouter-de-backer-gotye-somebody-that-i-used-to-know-song-i-dont-know-you-anymore-gif-18632753

[radiant frigate]

i can do that here too

[jovial juniper]

Warp Ghost VoidSTRIKE

Good enough

[marble crater]

Kat is too busy losing soldiers in Xcom

[jovial juniper]

Welcome back Pyromancer Bolt Staff

[pale prairie]

With just a few of the new DR talents (no OWtW) you can eat a crusher overhead and not die (auric)

[patent mango]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855907750495911936/1078053692168740894/F19361DF-E450-409E-B2CF-4DC8B933971D.gif

[radiant frigate]

mfw the floater overwatch nails my scout with lightning reflexes in the head on a dash

[pale prairie]

She said they ALMOST died

[marble crater]

Why would you do that, if you can just dodge the overhead?

[radiant frigate]

i lost two last mission

[manic bridge]

hey its that one dude that was on the radio non stop and the hipster coworker from my job at the timetold me was the greatest song ever and spam replayed it. naturally he turned to drugs and stabbed his GF

[marble crater]

smh

[pale prairie]

Some testing in the psyhkanium. Inquiring minds want to know

[pale prairie]

Lmao

[pale prairie]

Now HE is somebody I used to listen to

[radiant frigate]

RIP lance corporals Malinowska and Yuwono

we will avenge you

[pale prairie]

I am starting to question the leadership

[marble crater]

I started only two Xcom campaigns and stopped both because you get too strong in the endgame... any advice?

[patent mango]

oh i forgot we had an event

[pale prairie]

Just make tactical oopsies

[wraith sphinx]

Increase the difficulty

[upper sun]

enjoy the power purge the aliens

[marble crater]

"play bad on purpose" is not exactly what I am looking for

[upper sun]

my lobster too juicy ahh problems

[pale prairie]

Look you talked about frostpunk tutorial so I just figured it came naturally

[manic bridge]

challenge runs?

[pale prairie]

Wipe the whole squad and start over with rookies

[manic bridge]

Yeah simulate the real world and never hand out promotions

[marble crater]

Challenge runs could be an option after beating the game normally

Not promoting also sounds lame

[wraith sphinx]

Fr tho that is just a part of the gams

Game*

[manic bridge]

well youre never gunna beat at this rate so maybe its challenging enough. the true alien threat boredom

[wraith sphinx]

You put in the effort and resources to tech up and get to let them rip against the aliens

[pale prairie]

Play riskier

[marble crater]

Maybe the Beta Strike setting?

[marble crater]

Play it like I play psyker

[manic bridge]

im sure there is some difficulty tweak mods maybe replace every enemy with Chryssalid

[marble crater]

No mods on Xbox

[pale prairie]

50% is a worthwhile shot

[wraith sphinx]

Better idea, play xcom ufo defence instead, that will give you a good challenge

[zealous wing]

on my build if i just take just a dream i could survive one crusher overhead, but would HAVE to be at full health and full toughness, and low/zero peril to do so

[lapis yacht]

How do i complete the malleus monstronum penance if i dont have anuone to play with ?

[marble crater]

You ask @upper sun for help

[zealous wing]

ask one of us to private squad with you, in the proper region

[marble crater]

"If it's not 100% accurate, it's 50% accurate" - some Pokemon player

[upper sun]

😭 not playing now i have to cook and study

[lapis yacht]

Okay thanks i'll do that when i get back from work

[marble crater]

[pale prairie]

33% of the time it works every time

[manic bridge]

Gen 1 " Even if its 100% accurate it isnt"

[pale prairie]

I use sandattack

[royal totem]

I have questions about the MM penance...

[cold hornet]

Is kinetic flayer bugged, or has it always been this way? If you bb proc puts you to critical peril levels, the KF goes on CD but you don't get the damage from it

[royal totem]

Do you have to get the killing blow?

[marble crater]

No

[zealous wing]

you dont have to, but i've found it easier to make sure the person going for the penance deals as much of the damage as possible (leaving them to kill it themselves)

[marble crater]

I have helped people before where the bot got the killing blow and it counter for them

[pale prairie]

Bots once again being mvps

[zealous wing]

at least they finally made the bots not use mortis medicae

[pale prairie]

They apparently improved their coding for picking up players in melee mobs

[zealous wing]

mortis is actually solo-able now, you dont have to watch as the bot uses the medicae 4 times in a row because it wedged itself into a horde to get it, and fucking die afterwards

[patent steeple]

btw, is Combustion still good even without Souldrinker?

[pale prairie]

Yes it’s always had that sentence at the end

Dunno about going on cooldown from it though

[royal totem]

My friend and i were trying to get the bots killed yesterday...and they refused to die

[pale prairie]

If you have other sources of soulblaze it is good. Souldrinker is just a nice little bonus on top. More crit chance to increase mettle, perfect timing and if using purge staff more soulblaze stacks. The toughness over time is okay but the fact that any soulblaze enemy dying (not even to soulblaze just with it on) on the map procs it is good.

[cold hornet]

I thought it just was not used when at critical peril, and once you got below then it would proc, but now its nearly alwasy on CD without getting the extra damage, sadge

[pale prairie]

Damn that’s gotta be a bug

[cold hornet]

I'll see if its been reported

I was wondering why I was still sucking against the new crushers

[pale prairie]

Blame plasma gunners

[patent mango]

5 million plasma gunners upon yee

[cold hornet]

the bane of my existsnce rn

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-neo-keanu-reeves-power-windy-gif-15235043

Oops got grazed all my toughness gone

[marble crater]

And 70% health

[pale prairie]

Yeah the toughness regen debuff is rough on top of the I am assuming high toughness damage modifier

[manic bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-tisbutascratch-knight-funny-gif-9050905

[pale prairie]

Honestly me at 50% hp

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-bell-gif-27646997

[patent mango]

what lol

[ripe obsidian]

That makes no sense

[pale prairie]

What the fuck

[ripe obsidian]

Any acknowledgement of the extreme crashing?

[manic bridge]

Its simple sibling. Those extra dodges? It was all a dream

[pale prairie]

But there wasn’t anything displaying dodges before

So how could that be off

[royal totem]

I cant hear the new special 🙁

[manic bridge]

Inspect weapon / hover over mobility

[summer prairie]

dropping KD+small node with purg is now very tempting with more good nodes available and the small one being +10% melee

[pale prairie]

So that is what they are referencing?

Lmao

[manic bridge]

Has to be

[pale prairie]

Yeah the new dodge counter is so accurate showing I have a total of 4 dodges but not really

[manic bridge]

Thats it Ive heard enough buff dueling sword

[pale prairie]

The parry wasn’t enough?

Fuck that give me attack speed on DD

[zealous wing]

SG should have faster melee speed :(

it totally needs to be buffed

[ripe obsidian]

I am trying it.

[pale prairie]

Hexis don’t settle demand more.

[manic bridge]

So chainaxe feels even weaker. Unarmed damage is front loaded but armor damage the reason you would want it is back loaded 🙁

[ripe obsidian]

I have so much stamina from everything else that KD feels somewhat redundant. Where, exactly, I want to put my 2 points is not yet decided. But this is a working idea:

[pale prairie]

Wait….wait you’re dropping KD?!?

[ripe obsidian]

Yes.

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/frank-castle-wait-please-stop-please-no-please-gif-21133188

[ripe obsidian]

I was barely using it last night

[pale prairie]

Yeah me too. Unfortunately I have to path to DD so I’ll just grab true aim instead

Watch us get DHed next mission

[ripe obsidian]

There are significantly more bombers, like 3-4 active at a time, and the advent of plasma gunners both mean that standing still-ish and blocking is death

So not much use for KD

[pale prairie]

Oh yeah how did KD and deflector hold up against plasma

[icy breach]

Take the 10% dr node on the left of auras below & essence harvest

Done

[zinc phoenix]

Maybe a mod issue, rock solid for me

[icy breach]

Oh better; take empyric resolve

[manic bridge]

I find true aim good if I havnt built crit chance

[ripe obsidian]

Is not a me issue. Is the server aborting games

[pale prairie]

Yeah I am already stacked on crit chance but more doesn’t hurt with a recon las

[pale prairie]

Whoa I didn’t have that issue last night that’s nuts

[ripe obsidian]

In my group last night, everyone crashed like 2x a mission, and about 75% through it killed the game. We only managed to actually do like 2 missions, and had like 4 or 5 aborted by the server

Ainz was experiencing the same.

[pale prairie]

That’s weird

[icy breach]

That fking sucks

[manic bridge]

Does TA over ride the crit lockout or was that removed?

[pale prairie]

This is the extent of my knowledge

[ripe obsidian]

I am between the 10% DR node, Anticipation, and the Ogryn damage node atm. Empyric Resolve... maybe? I guess since Shriek takes longer to come back up and Warp Ghost prevents passive quelling from fucking me, I can potentially still maintain high peril without issue.

[wind spruce]

wdym crit lockout?

[ripe obsidian]

I'll see what Syllogism does and probably steal that, ha.

[manic bridge]

Its been well over a year but I remember reading fast weapons fire crits in burts this I can confirm. After that the next couple shots will not crit to make up for the burst of crit hits not so easy to confirm

[icy breach]

Less peril generated = more casting not queling

[pale prairie]

The real question is do I drop Just a Dream so I can get 25 DD with cruel fortune

[pale prairie]

Interesting…..

I hadn’t heard of that. Any notes I can read about it?

[ripe obsidian]

Less peril generated also means it's harder to max my peril bonuses after shrieking

[icy breach]

Not an issue

[ripe obsidian]

And with my build, I am shrieking every ~6 seconds

[icy breach]

You still will have more dps

[pale prairie]

I am sorry what?

[ripe obsidian]

6 stacks of WS + CDR on curios + PA

[pale prairie]

Goddamn

[ripe obsidian]

Approximately 6 second CD

[pale prairie]

Well that feels a bit like a staffker buff

[plucky flax]

The only real build is bubble knight now

[ripe obsidian]

I use ER on my shield build. The constant venting from Shriek makes it less appealing. I would need to test to see.

[manic bridge]

Nothing I can link you too at the moment sadly. Ill go retest the burst crit to make sure that is still accurate

[summer prairie]

Purg is almost fine with shriek and no ER but there's a bit too much quelling still, maybe BM

[ripe obsidian]

Tried BM. Kept ending up at 0 peril

[pale prairie]

Damn

[ripe obsidian]

Couldn't shriek consistently

[summer prairie]

unironically might try the 10% peril res node

[ripe obsidian]

Update me on your findings

[zealous wing]

oh yeah can anyone confirm if this blessing was changed in this update or if the description is still ahead of its time?

[upper sun]

dawg how hard is it to count to 5 😭

[silent coral]

Do you guys feel the warp rending talent is worth it? I'm running purg staff so I don't know if it's worth it.

[ripe obsidian]

1... 2... 5!

[ripe obsidian]

Not worth it.

Ever.

Warp attacks have very high armor damage modifiers. Rending only really helps with carapace, but even with it you're doing 30% damage at max to carapace

Rending over 100% gives 1/4 effectiveness

[silent coral]

Is the soul blaze talents still bad? The elite kills spread soul blaze and stack transfer on kills talents I mean.

[ripe obsidian]

Soulblaze was never bad

Perilous Combustion was always insanely good and Wildfire was always solid

Assuming you have a source of Soulblaze. Not as good on melee or gunker.

[strong gulch]

Ye. It's if you're well invested in SB or not.

[stoic axle]

penetration of the soul is pretty good on flame psyker honestly

[ripe obsidian]

It is not.

[manic bridge]

Okies so the multiple crits on fast firing weapons still works. Im 90% sure Im misremembering the lockout though for something else

[strong gulch]

Some guns have crit strings yes.

[ripe obsidian]

I will get the ADMs if you want. But Soulblaze has like 150% ADM on everything except Carapace. That means PotS gives a maximum of 5% additional damage.

And you should not be using Soulblaze as a primary tool against crushers

[pale prairie]

I think Six and I saw something in the code to prevent ten million crits from purge staff infinite cleave mechanic

[ripe obsidian]

Some guns have crit strings, yes. The code around it confuses me.

[pale prairie]

Oh nice is there information somewhere about them?

[buoyant maple]

No

[strong gulch]

There is a psudo randomness to crits. More or less to it's to prevent you from being too lucky or unlucky with crits.

[stoic axle]

im seeing much higher damage numbers than 5%

[buoyant maple]

Hell no

[ripe obsidian]

That isn't PotS.

[stoic axle]

what is it then?

[strong gulch]

I'm sure there's a list. Vraks 5 and recon both have crit strings.

[pale prairie]

Bastards

Reconlas should crit every shot

/s

[pale prairie]

Hard to tell without your build

All we know is what the talent actually does

[stoic axle]

penetration is the only thing im removing since its in its own section now

[ripe obsidian]

Inferno has a lot of stacking damage. It stacks with prolonged burning of a single target, it stacks with more soulblaze, it stacks with crits, etc.

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/bb5ee8f4309f1bc9bf9327d2ef59a088ca1aa5d4/scripts/settings/damage/damage_profiles/buff_damage_profile_templates.lua#L25

[manic bridge]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2892198053
I believe this is where I orginally read about it

[ripe obsidian]

Look, here are the ADMs.

[pale prairie]

Thanks

[ripe obsidian]

Only carapace is below 100%

So rending only improves damage on carapace by any significant amount

[patent mango]

who pringle

[stoic axle]

thats interesting but it doesnt explain the damage of soulblaze going from about 30 to 70

[patent mango]

idk lmao

[strong gulch]

And even then, to SB damage on cara is lol

[manic bridge]

It is old so probably a good amount is outdated although it was updated in april apparently so maybe its all up to date

[ripe obsidian]

And to quote Fatshark: "Any Rend you have is just added. Until you do full damage. After that it still helps you do more damage, just not as much. If you have a shovel that does 20% damage on the big Carapace guys. With 4% rend, you will now do 24% damage, cause 20 plus 4 is 24. On stuff that already does full damage, it will add 1% damage instead. It always adds 1% more for every 4% Rend you have. "

[pale prairie]

Well I am gonna pray that GUARANTEED actually means something to fatshark. Regardless it works on assail and on my melee and is better than going KD

[stoic axle]

yeah you're saying all this but im in game right now and the damage difference is very clear

[ripe obsidian]

Even at its best, PotS would not do that much to anything except a crusher.

[stoic axle]

well yeah

im talking about crushers

[ripe obsidian]

...

I said repeatedly that it affects carapace

[stoic axle]

which is what i was talking about

[ripe obsidian]

Also, crushers have 6500 HP in Damnation and 10k in H40. Please do not use soulblaze to kill them

[strong gulch]

We won't know the context of the damage without seeing the whole build.

[manic bridge]

mmmm slow roasted ogryn

[stoic axle]

ik but its still a good addition to a flame psyker build as support

[radiant frigate]

gaming

[stoic axle]

given that talents are basically everywhere with this rework

[west knoll]

Anyone got a high damage smite build with this new talent tree?

[wind spruce]

iirc if it has a two crit string the second crit cant also trigger a crit string, but as soon as a crit string is over the next shot can crit

[ripe obsidian]

I believe this is correct.

[orchid sentinel]

What is the psyker meta?

[ripe obsidian]

From what I have seen in the code

[strong gulch]

Rending is personal buff. Brittleness is team (because it's a debuff on the enemy)

[ripe obsidian]

What difficulty?

[wind spruce]

devils claw & voidstrike

[orchid sentinel]

Havoc

[ripe obsidian]

Inferno or VoidBLAST

[orchid sentinel]

So did the meta change?

[ripe obsidian]

Bubble. Shriek or SG if you're good.

No

[orchid sentinel]

Aight

[pale prairie]

Wrapping my brain around this is tough. So crit two times in a row. The next shot can’t be a crit but the shot afterward can?

[ripe obsidian]

Meleeker and gunker are stronger

EK is weaker

[wind spruce]

you cant trigger a new crit string during a crit string

[ripe obsidian]

But firestick is mildly stronger and still the kind for most players

[wind spruce]

thats all

[west knoll]

Bubble w inferno

[ripe obsidian]

Tbh until they do something about how busted plasma gunners are, I might go back to bubble for a bit

[wind spruce]

but theres nothing stopping good luck from literally making every single shot a crit

[west knoll]

Smite for the gunners

[ripe obsidian]

They spawn as much as shotgunners, damage you through toughness, cause -80% toughness regen...

[ripe obsidian]

:(

[pale prairie]

So what is a crit string? Just consecutive crits?

[wind spruce]

yes

[ripe obsidian]

Crit string is a guaranteed amount of crits

[wind spruce]

so if it has a 2 crit string, whenever you crit the next bullet afterwards will crit aswell

(during continuous fire)

[pale prairie]

Okay this makes more sense

So then the bullet after the second can’t start a new crit string but can just crit on its own

[ripe obsidian]

Ainz had a clip last night of two plasma gunners killing him from 100>0 mid-jump. No ability to react.

[pale prairie]

Nothing prevents a crit from happening just prevents a guaranteed crit

[pale prairie]

Ah yes it’s me

I dunno what their toughness damage multiplier is but I think it’s almost burster level

[gilded plover]

Does scriers increase dmg of Smite?

[wind spruce]

correct

[ripe obsidian]

Is absurd. And it causes you to stop regening toughness. They should be a special, not an elite getting spammed. Even worse with the stim modifier in havoc

[orchid sentinel]

Can anyone send me the gameslantern meta, for havoc?

[sacred crane]

So what is yalls opinion on the new skill tree

[dusk timber]

They are a specialist though

[pale prairie]

Yep it needs to be one or the other. Crazy high toughness damage OR a really high debuff

[ripe obsidian]

Adds a chance for enemies to have a stimm that is used when they are aggroed.

• Gives eye colour that reflects the colour of stimm used; red eyes for red stimm, blue eyes for blue stimm, green eyes for green stimm, yellow eyes for yellow stimm.

• Makes a fairly loud noise when used by an enemy

• Blue stimm effects:

• Carapace override, making dots inherently less effective

• Reduces Armour Damage Modifiers (ADMs):

• 0.8 ADM reduction for unarmoured, unyielding, infested and maniac

• 0.6 ADM reduction for flak, and carapace

• Reduces impact by 200%

• Green stimm effects:

• 50% reduced damage taken from Burning dot, Bleeding dot, Electrocution dot, and warp damage

• Reduces impact by 100%

• Increases health pool by 70% at havoc ranks 1 to 10, 80% from havoc 11 to 20 and 100% from 21 to 40

• Red stimm effects:

• 40% increased melee attack speed

• 90% stagger duration reduction

• Yellow stimm effects:

• Increases weakspot damage taken by 4x

• Reduces ADMs by 0.35 for all armour types

• 30% ranged attack speed increase

• 5x shots fired in a volley

• 30% melee attack speed

[pale prairie]

Both is nuts

[ripe obsidian]

No

They are an elite

[dusk timber]

Huh

[ripe obsidian]

They spawn at the same rate as gunners and shotgunners

[pale prairie]

This I have seen

[manic bridge]

Has someone figured out their HP for dam/auric?

[dusk timber]

Thats weird then cause the blog post said they were specialists

[ripe obsidian]

The blog lied

Also, they're immune to suppression

Which is fucking stupid

[pale prairie]

Huh those stims are very different from our stims

100% of 10k is 20k hp on a crusher?

[ripe obsidian]

Imagine a horde of blue-eyed crushers and maulers coming at you that take half damage, yay.

[ripe obsidian]

Yes

Purple + stims is brutal

[pale prairie]

Jesus

[buoyant maple]

Crusher havoc max is 9750
With green it’s 19500 for 100s

[manic bridge]

thats because they are contaminated

[pale prairie]

Perfect so basically a little baby captain

[ripe obsidian]

Disgusting.

[pale prairie]

Man those odds feel high.

[buoyant maple]

I’d also like u to know that twins are only 72000 health carapace

[pale prairie]

Only

[ripe obsidian]

Twins are easier than plasma gunners. :D or at least less dangerous

[buoyant maple]

But twins have 2x melee weakness so their real effective hp vs melee is 36000

[analog agate]

Could maybe do Just A Dream

[ripe obsidian]

Last night, before I knew what stims did, I got absolutely run down by a single blue stim rager

[jovial juniper]

Huh

Wha

Huh

Crusher mini boss confirmed

Ok stimms might be goated havoc modifier

[buoyant maple]

U will remember the time when u were in malice and it took 10s to kill a single crusher with a DC sword

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, it's kinda goofy.

Not sure how I feel about it tbh

[orchid sentinel]

Aight thx

[ripe obsidian]

Bullet sponge enemies as far as the eye can see

[pale prairie]

Good thing inferno doesn’t use ammo

Which is reduced in havoc

[jovial juniper]

Welp

Pyromancer M1 surge spam

Dink dink dink dink dink....

[ripe obsidian]

Tell me how long it takes to kill a blue or green stim crusher with only Inferno. You'll be done by next Monday, maybe?

[deft stump]

I saw ppl die not expecting crushers to survive x hits.

Just auric btw.

[jovial juniper]

Inferno Pen Flames meta havoc 3.0 2025 not bait gone freak

[ripe obsidian]

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Crushers surviving 3 power sword hits to the skull. Plasma gunners slaughtering Zealots in a single shot.

All these moments will be lost, like tears in rain.

Time to die.

[ripe obsidian]

gets plasma gunner'd

[warped hollow]

New spyker tree is just a tad harder to go down. I think there's 1 or 2 extra rows

[zealous wing]

k wtf is a spyker

[warped hollow]

A witch

[manic bridge]

like a psyker but stealthy

[zealous wing]

yeah but we dont have any stealth

😔

[manic bridge]

if all enemies are dead there is nothing to alert ultimate stealth

[zealous wing]

that's ogryn logic

[patent mango]

spyker with knife

and pistol

[warped hollow]

They call me the spyker cause I'm 2 areas ahead of the group and somehow at full health

[zealous wing]

thats just frontlining

though, being so far away from the squad is a bad habit

[warped hollow]

They can't see when i have a taser hand

[ripe obsidian]

Oh, a smyker

[zealous wing]

barrel them

[warped hollow]

Oh god I'm smitting

[warped hollow]

I try not to, but spyker makes it so easy to stray away

Psyker is also the 4th class I've picked up after getting 2 level 30 bros

I'm pretty used to missions at this point and i keep getting squads that don't know where to go

[zealous wing]

if im with people who genuinely seem lost i literally guide them

especially on lights out and vent purge

[warped hollow]

Typically running ahead helps if your not mic up

[summer prairie]

rotten healing

[zealous wing]

i find running ahead does not help, in some cases

if its lights out especially

ive got a flashlight, imma light the doorway

[warped hollow]

I don't get mad when people seem lost either, they could be new, or finding resources

I only get mad when i get someone like that in damnation

[zealous wing]

actally though, how severe is the healing in havoc

like, how quick is it

[median lava]

guys, I might be late to the party, but have you tried Scrier's Gaze with Purgatus and Warp Siphon? With CDR curios you basically never exit the Gaze and this just obliterates everything.
Was this a thing before a rework? I can't recall if you really could even compose such a build

[ripe obsidian]

Because I don't want to scroll back far enough, here's an example of shriek regen:

[zinc phoenix]

“I only smite it’s so strong”

Looks inside: damnation difficulty 😂

[ripe obsidian]

I also didn't do my 2nd shriek immediately

so 6-7 second regen

[zealous wing]

here's sut's clip

[warped hollow]

My arbites is only one in auric and havoc

I can solo Hersey fine by now

[zealous wing]

yeah smite is definitely... a choice you can make

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-hi-greet-greeting-mascot-gif-15664122

[pale prairie]

Jesus you get back to 6 stacks so fast

[ripe obsidian]

this is not the best metric for that, but generally yes

[pale prairie]

It isn’t but I figure density is even higher outside psyhkanium

[zinc phoenix]

Did they change something with warp charges? I didn’t see anything in the notes but I have been feeling like I ree more often

[ripe obsidian]

Also, ER is definitely too slow on the peril gen front for Shriek

[ripe obsidian]

Not how they generate, but you have 6 baked in now instead of 4

[zealous wing]

oh shit

wait no

[warped hollow]

They removed the +1 chain node from smite

Am sad

[zinc phoenix]

Oh

Ohhhhh

[strong gulch]

It's baseline to smite

now

[ripe obsidian]

is also baked in now

[fossil snow]

brainburst perverts are eating good

[zealous wing]

wdym 6 baked in

[ripe obsidian]

look one down

[ripe obsidian]

Yes

[zealous wing]

yeah its down one, not quite baked in

[ripe obsidian]

If you want IFR, you get Warp Battery

That is baked in imo

[fossil snow]

more like a garnish on top

[zinc phoenix]

Youre always taking warp battery now

[storm dock]

the dmg was baked in so you save 1 extra point

[zinc phoenix]

There’s no way around it because you have to take one of the two bottom nodes

[warped hollow]

Ah i see it

[ripe obsidian]

Credit for extending the metaphor