psyker-class

[rigid iris]

gay

[pale prairie]

Yeah I would probably drop peril generation white node for more monstrosity and Ogryn damage

[sturdy reef]

Staves are the same

[wraith sphinx]

Psyker still gatekeeps itself Six

[ripe obsidian]

New quietude is actually worth picking. Still not sure it's better than Soulstealer.

[wraith sphinx]

because eugh squishiest class

[sturdy reef]

On Sb

I think it is

[zealous wing]

a lil bonkers but i think i can make the suipsyker work

[wraith sphinx]

shitposting aside I can confidently assess there's a steady increase in psykers lately

[pale prairie]

I think it depends. It’s gonna be more constant but soulstealer will give big bursts when stuff finally succumbs to soulblaze

[ripe obsidian]

Soulblaze? Eh.

[zealous wing]

main thing is, its stamina curios not wounds

[patent mango]

psyker crystalline will only h40

[zealous wing]

:p

[sturdy reef]

Souldrinker will cover better than warpstealer

I think they're redundant if you run inferno

[zealous wing]

better

[sturdy reef]

Just pick SD since thats what you want in the next tree section

[ripe obsidian]

Souldrinker is like 3% per second. Is slow, but consistent. Soulstealer is burstier.

I value the burst of Soulstealer more now that there are a billion toughness per second nodes

Mettle + Souldrinker for consistent regen, Soulstealer for burst

[pale prairie]

Don’t forget if you grab ghost even more toughness per second

[ripe obsidian]

Quietude feels redundant now that you already have a bunch of toughness over time

[ripe obsidian]

+25%, yes?

[pale prairie]

I dropped it from my meleeker build

[pale prairie]

Yep

[ripe obsidian]

Ghost feels like a must-pick for me.

[summer prairie]

quietude is very strong with SG

[ripe obsidian]

For the passive peril gen if nothing else

[pale prairie]

It’s too good. Helps make warp rider consistent. Toughness replenishment. And some stamina on top

[pale prairie]

Warp nexus stays high

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, that was where I was considering it more.

[pale prairie]

Oh yeah probably helps mitigate the passive quelling from Venting shriek

[patent steeple]

if only I could actually afford it on most of my builds... my weapon choices are the biggest contributor to that problem...

[wraith sphinx]

Same but then I reconsidered because it's kind of boring

[ripe obsidian]

Is only 1 point past Warp Rider, so not too bad

[wraith sphinx]

Scrier's gaze's new toughness regen is enough for me

[pale prairie]

Gonna try it without it and see what happens

[ripe obsidian]

I would not think so. But maybe.

[pale prairie]

With ghost I think that 2.5% becomes 3% so almost quietude itself

[vast yew]

Venting Shriek isn't passive quelling

[sturdy reef]

Quietude is an auto take on sg imo

[pale prairie]

So becalming eruption doesn’t interact at all

[ripe obsidian]

Can someone confirm if Just a Dream is HP and Toughness or only HP?

[summer prairie]

both

[pale prairie]

Kuli updates

It’s fucking good

[strong gulch]

was about to type kuli

[vast yew]

... Okay well time to go try to fit that into... every build ever...

[ripe obsidian]

Kuli is too fast

[sturdy reef]

Nah Imma run anticipation

Fuck it I ball

[pale prairie]

I dropped quietude purely to grab every defensive buff cause I want to see what happens

[vast yew]

Wait hold on if that applies to Toughness, you can stack that with Immaterial's 10%, OwtW's 10%, Scrier's 20%, and the 10% you're forced to take... dang Psyker getting a bit tanky actually

[pale prairie]

If my math is right that’s 55% DR at 0 peril and above 80% peril like 75%? Then add scriers gaze?

[ripe obsidian]

Toughness damage reduction is multiplicative. I can math out what the final would be if you want

[vast yew]

above 80% it should stop converting damage -> peril so I don't think that's quite right

[pale prairie]

[ripe obsidian]

Gimme all the numbers and I will get it

[summer prairie]

Just a dream stops at 97%

[vast yew]

oh

[pale prairie]

Yeah it says CRITICAL PERIL

[rigid iris]

is the 25% damage to peril thing a freduction in damage, or just adding peril while getting damaged?

[vast yew]

... hold on I've got a dumb idea with By Crack of Bone

[ripe obsidian]

Both.

[rigid iris]

....huh

[pale prairie]

Lmao honestly BCoB with quietude and Just a Dream

[ripe obsidian]

25% of damage taken becomes peril instead of damage

[teal fog]

is psyker auric viable yet?

[ripe obsidian]

What

[pale prairie]

[vast yew]

what

[rigid iris]

that is bait

[sturdy reef]

Bait

[rigid iris]

it has to be bait

lmfao

[pale prairie]

Such bait

[sturdy reef]

Or skill issue

[vast yew]

Bait used to be believable man

[sturdy reef]

Lol

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[patent mango]

psyker can only beat up to uprising difficulty

its already a struggle at sedation

[pale prairie]

Wrong it can’t go past sedition

[sturdy reef]

Sedation? Looool

[dusk timber]

Psyker can only beat the prologue

[teal fog]

before it wasnt possible to play psyker above heresy

[vast yew]

That's only a struggle for my Arby
||Because I fall asleep when playing them||

[teal fog]

no gold toughness

[ripe obsidian]

This is pretty weak bait tbh

[zealous wing]

yeah this is bait not even good bait

[lunar gyro]

It's baitbait

[ripe obsidian]

Do better

[patent mango]

its uhh fishing bait and ur catching trout

[pale prairie]

Try harder

[sturdy reef]

Also vet has like

+65 toughness in tree

Goated

[rigid iris]

you been here since last year there's no way this is something you beleive

[ripe obsidian]

Zealot's new tree is the most interesting to me. It looks so good.

[pale prairie]

Yeah it’s interesting how they changed stuff. Like zealot now has a bunch of base toughness to eliminate white nodes in their treee

[patent mango]

the only viable psyker build is 0% warp res + crystalline will rn

anything else is trolling

[zealous wing]

not like a psyker h40 duo'd or anything

[sturdy reef]

Shroudfield martyrdom gonna feel so good to play

[zealous wing]

oh they deleted loner didnt they

[patent mango]

thank hecking god

[vast yew]

Gone. Reduced to Atoms.

[zealous wing]

half the problems gone

[pine shore]

Crystalline will is such a goated talent

[zealous wing]

ill fucking take the win

[pine shore]

I am playing with it right now

[pale prairie]

They basically rebuilt it from the ground up. It sounds like they eventually want to do that with the rest of the classes

[pine shore]

And I am dead because I tried using it

[quasi atlas]

Is 20% ogryn and monster damage a permatake now

[patent mango]

crystalline will is too awesome

[pine shore]

But it's awesome

I love it

[sturdy reef]

Crystalline will is a flavor win

[quasi atlas]

I cant fit it into my build

[sturdy reef]

100%

[pine shore]

It's still a stupid meme

But it actually works now

[dusk timber]

After having such a dogshit tree for so long its a relief

[left basin]

in their mind they kinda did with psyker and ogryn already

[patent mango]

its basically the best talent in the game

[ripe obsidian]

Crystalline Will is everything I ever wanted Psyker to be

[zealous wing]

we can live up to the vet line "not all of us can be walking bombs"

[left basin]

mediocre, i don't think we reach ANY sort of breakpoints of repute

[quasi atlas]

cool. I played on auric maelstrom with it and carried on boss damage but I feel like with fgs it wasn't super needed

[zealous wing]

thats 1/5 of the bullets used to kill a monster saved

20% dmg is glorious

[pale prairie]

“Taking a closer look”

Maybe that’s copium

[arctic turret]

yeah, otherwise your just doing cc

[weary crane]

If you have a point yeah

[patent mango]

vet tree is defo not done yet

still only has 1 aura lol

[sturdy reef]

Lol

True

[arctic turret]

the 20% dmg helps especially if you focus brain rupture nonstop

[sturdy reef]

Now 100% of vets will run survivalist instead of 95

[left basin]

copium. they've begun the "beeg rewark" a couple of patches ago, we've been already hit by it. maybe they'll adjust some things, but i don't hold any candles

[sturdy reef]

The dmg and MS ones need a buff or scrapped

They are pretty boring tbh

[patent mango]

how bad is thsi build

[quasi atlas]

I use KF so I never need to take my grubby little hands off my sword

[left basin]

i'd drop the damage to peril thing

[patent mango]

thats funny thouughh

unchaineed

[left basin]

whenever they give us a flail, then yes

[patent mango]

lmao

[warped hollow]

So what's the new meta looking like rn?

[left basin]

otherwise i still consider psyker to be a (now) forcefield-clad wheelchair

[arctic turret]

why no ethereal shards

[patent mango]

which one is that again

idk its a melee build i just stab people

[arctic turret]

you blow yourself up

[sturdy reef]

Where BCOB

[left basin]

shard pen

[patent mango]

its a ghost build

[quasi atlas]

shard pen isnt super neccesary tho

[sturdy reef]

You can still run both

[patent mango]

im trying without bcob first

[warped hollow]

Crazy if that's actually he meta, i heard about that rework

Kamakizee spyker is real

[patent mango]

the meta is crystalline will

[warped hollow]

That's crazy

[arctic turret]

i can already see the killchat filling with my names as i run into a crowd of maulers

[dusk wren]

are you invulnerable while blowing up

[left basin]

yeah not with their "breakpoints"

[pale prairie]

Careful they have more health

[arctic turret]

no

[gray juniper]

We never have been

[dusk wren]

i've neven blew up so i couldn't tell

[warped hollow]

Crystalline will build is gonna be crazy trying to purposfully nuke myself

[left basin]

to be fair this intense desire to move away from breakpoints on single-shot weapons on regular difficulties is infuriating

[arctic turret]

you basically have to time it right so that you blow up when in radius instead of getting hit at 100% peril and going down

[dusk wren]

sounds like a meme build

[sturdy reef]

Yes

[zealous wing]

suipsyker is 100% a meme build

that could work

[arctic turret]

absolutely but id take it over spamming inferno staff or smite

[patent mango]

yeah ghost no bcob was a funny idea baut nah i need bcob

[arctic turret]

i want fun in my meta

[warped hollow]

Is smite builds still functional?

[ripe obsidian]

Don't compare firestick to smite, heathen

[dusk wren]

unless they remove stagger from smite, i doubt it will ever be not functional

[warped hollow]

Cool

[left basin]

yeah, they merged the extended zap talent into baseline, upped the peril consumption a bit

[lapis fern]

aint that the only reason to use smite?

[sturdy reef]

I got my crystalline will meme setup

[dusk wren]

yeah

so basically, it will always be functional

[left basin]

but the new -peril talents kinda make that "norf" if you build for them

[dusk wren]

unless they up stagger resistance to crazy levels for elites or such

[zealous wing]

yeah the only reason to use smite is to teach yourself to back into a corner and forget everything else is a better choice

[lunar gyro]

smite became trash after it stopped blowing enemies up like a microwave 😎

[warped hollow]

That's awesome. I still love chain reaction bio-lightning. Makes me feel like palpatine

[dusk wren]

it stopped doing that?

[warped hollow]

Inferno staff is also fun

[summer prairie]

They added resistance 6 specials_pacing template for Havoc. Not sure when (if?) Havoc resistance is set to 6.

[left basin]

if that's getting removed smite might as well be removed altogether

[unborn flicker]

We are still cheeks in higher content, sadge

[sturdy reef]

What does that mean

[lunar gyro]

Used to be 100% of the kills with smite popped

[left basin]

not firefart

[summer prairie]

It's like Auric is resistance 5 by default and with high int 6

[dusk wren]

resistance to stagger right?

[sturdy reef]

You dont need to be firefart to do well in h40

Bubble knight good

[left basin]

bleh

[sturdy reef]

Oh enemy spawns

[arctic turret]

quite, with immaterial focus, while at critical peril you cant be stunned

[summer prairie]

If these new values get applied at some point, you'd get more frequent special spawns and a higher cap

[unborn flicker]

So we play one staff or not at all?

[warped hollow]

Running warp focused builds, i typically finding myself running that keystone that buffs the warp skills

[dusk wren]

btw how good is scryer gaze in the meta

[arctic turret]

pair it with scriers gaze and the perk that doesnt let you overload from scriers and you basically sit with smite on a horde and they cant hit you and get you out of smite

[dusk wren]

sounds like a budget zealot

[warped hollow]

I refuse to run melee spyker out of penence grinds

[unborn flicker]

Pysker is budget everything

Makes me cry

[dusk wren]

true

[warped hollow]

Just replace spyker with ad mech, and it'll be like nothing has changed

[dusk wren]

i had to use the laser pistol the little time i played psyker because the staffs don't really have that oomph

[fresh reef]

Does the new 25% peril conversion only work on health damage?

[dusk wren]

did they buff brain rupture

[summer prairie]

Looks like havoc resistance doesn't go above 5 right now unless it gets modified elsewhere

[dusk wren]

i found it rather unusable by itself when i played

[arctic turret]

yeah

[dusk wren]

actually, do people still use it now that you don't have to take it for pathing in the skill tree

[warped hollow]

Spyker just lacks in general honestly. Its just a fun wind down class i can play to have fun

[dusk wren]

is it faster?

[arctic turret]

no more stupid 10% to proc it its now 100%

[vast yew]

Yes, the 50% damage from Brain Rupture is now multiplicative with other damage boosts.
Also KF got buffed to be 12 seconds down from 15, and is now 100% reliable + doesn't trigger on Poxbursters

[arctic turret]

and 12s cd

[dusk wren]

that's kinetic flayer

[next pine]

note to self: screenshot your goddamned builds because that took like 2 hours for 4 rejects

[sturdy reef]

Psyker doesnt lack anything but durability

Lol

What is this slander

[fresh reef]

It was already 100% chance to proc lol

[next pine]

for 30 goddamned builds

[unborn flicker]

They didn’t buff the ability itself

[fresh reef]

It just didn't say so

[dusk wren]

meh, kf was a meme pick

[vast yew]

They did, it does more damage now

[arctic turret]

for kinetic flayer

[left basin]

wasn't on EK

[zealous wing]

no it was 10%

[dusk wren]

and on flame staff it basically was 100%

[warped hollow]

Does getting hit still cancel warp attacks?

[fresh reef]

Yes

[unborn flicker]

No I mean brain rupture

It’s still the same

[left basin]

ek rmb charge slams the target with a gorillion small damage procs

[arctic turret]

i also feel like it does a lot more dmg

[unborn flicker]

Kf got a “buff”

[fresh reef]

If an attack didn't deal enough damage to kill, KF procs

[unborn flicker]

It’s meme

[strong shore]

is Immaterial focus a constant 10% damage resistance all the time? Or only at critical peril?

[left basin]

constant it seems, stun's the critperil

[thorn cedar]

All the time.

[fresh reef]

Saying it's meme when it's the literal only reason to pick BR is definitely a take

[strong shore]

oh that's goated

[left basin]

IF you trust their wording

[unborn flicker]

No the whole ability is a meme pick

[vast yew]

I also mean Brain Rupture, and it does more damage now

[fresh reef]

Fair enough

[left basin]

they did buff it's damage

[dusk wren]

wasn't BR picked just because it was in the way to better abilities

[fresh reef]

In the way and it wasn't smite

[unborn flicker]

It should one tap everything except bossesif it’s gonna take the time it does to channel

[fresh reef]

I'm expecting Assail will have a near 100% pick rate now

[vast yew]

no, KF was free elite popping with Inferno or EK staff

[hollow raft]

BR are soo good compere to the outher 2 blitz that there is no reason to take the one of the other

[left basin]

i want bb to be a kame hame ha ranged thammer

[unborn flicker]

Wait actually? It looked the same to me

50%

[vast yew]

READ THE PATCH NOTES

[strong gulch]

part pathing and part KF

[summer prairie]

Assail needs DD or EP, felt a bit weak but still situationally useful with purg

[left basin]

problem is all the fat targets are now fatter

[unborn flicker]

Oh no way

[left basin]

which is what i'd love to use the bb on

[unborn flicker]

So it one taps crushers and chargers?

[vast yew]

Now I don't know if it's actually going to work out for it, as everything is now chonkier

[left basin]

ofc not 🙂

[unborn flicker]

Then it’s useless

[left basin]

it is

kf isn't.

[zealous wing]

hardly useless

[vast yew]

To be fair, I don't think much of anything 1-taps Crushers anymore now that they have 6500 bloody hp

[unborn flicker]

I exaggerate, it’s just not worth taking

[zealous wing]

its an ideal range attack for snipers/far away targets

though i do prefer assail over all else

[unborn flicker]

Zealot assassin build might?

[dusk wren]

with knife?

[left basin]

to be fair that's doable with half the shit in psyker's arsenal

[zealous wing]

but then again i also main a gun

[arctic turret]

yeah but when you can 2 tap crushers wit it

[vast yew]

Zealot can one-tap anything but not terribly often

[pine shore]

What do I even take here for staff psyker

[left basin]

if you go for ep.

[pine shore]

All these talents fucking suck

https://i.vgy.me/GUdl3F.png

[vast yew]

Upside of the Crusher change is you don't see groups of 6+ of them anymore

[unborn flicker]

Now do it on a 6 man crusher squad

[zealous wing]

assail is the perfect specialist/elite targeter when you need to also melee a horde

[unborn flicker]

[vast yew]

which staff

[pine shore]

all of them except voidstrike

[left basin]

BB BECOME THE RANGED THAMMER PLLLLEASE

[zealous wing]

'

[zealous wing]

more cleave? more attack speed? yes please

i would anyway

[left basin]

momentum if you like jorking illisi

[zealous wing]

not enough points

[vast yew]

If you use Fire Trauma/Inferno then go the way you went, if you have FGS or any melee you might actually swing then go melee speed + BCOB/Warp Splitting, if you have EK or Rending Trauma then consider the far left nodes

[zealous wing]

i need the melee quell to keep scriers down for horde clearing, esp if theres a monster i need to kill at the same time

[left basin]

i still can't convince myself to try the illisi with momentum on a ddscrier

[vast yew]

I wouldn't run Momentum

[zealous wing]

then use FGS, its just a better illisi

[left basin]

i really want to, but illisi just feels eh

[vast yew]

Especially now that Scrier's regens toughness

[prime elk]

Because it is

[left basin]

???

[tired knoll]

is suicide bomber pysker real

[left basin]

i mean i dont like switching to ass sale to get my warp stacks

[zealous wing]

ah shit i need to make a new satisfaction clip just in case new talents affect it in a btter way

[zealous wing]

yes suipsyker can be real

[left basin]

i dont think i used that ever

[vast yew]

There's a niche use for it on an FGS if all you want the FGS to do is keep you alive in Hordes but yeah it's pretty meh on just about everything

I'd rather just kill the horde faster

[zealous wing]

kill shit before it kills you, dont get hit.

[left basin]

i'm still talking about malefic though

[zealous wing]

on what

[left basin]

i dont think i ever picked THAT momentum ever, it's not like psyker is starved on tregen

[zealous wing]

oh the skill

[left basin]

malefic is annoying to regen on fgs

[zealous wing]

yknow what its good for? assail, and FGS warp slice

[sinful peak]

what is passive quelling? does it include by crack of bone etc

[vast yew]

yeah MM works well for Assail Weaving.

[left basin]

i hate switching to ass sale

[vast yew]

The quelling that happens if you just wait

[zealous wing]

passive is this

[sinful peak]

so it's like a no brainer perk?

[left basin]

pretty much

[zealous wing]

if you wanna maintain high damage, yes

[pale prairie]

Between precognition and riposte on FGS what do you like and why?

[ripe obsidian]

It seems like the new smol toughness nodes means my staffker builds will have 20 additional base toughness. Neat.

[ripe obsidian]

Makes it a lot easier to juggle high peril, so probably.

[unborn flicker]

I wish man

Some people just too hardheaded

[weary crane]

Lower passive peril loss is better imo

[sinful peak]

what we thinking for gunker

[vast yew]

Riposte, I think, for that crit chance.
Although with Warp Ghost being a thing I'm thinking Unstable + Riposte/Shred/Wrath might be real good

[left basin]

i really, really want to jork my warp in a corner for like (i dont fucking care if it's 10 seconds of jerking a daemon off) and just thundercunt a daemonhost into florida

[zealous wing]

i dont understand how people can stand looking at a tree like that mod makes it

[sinful peak]

only use it to make it fit in a screenshot

[vast yew]

Actually I'm probably going to go Unstable+Wrath

[zealous wing]

we use the website for that

[pale prairie]

Yeah I run unstable and shred right now but I am debating riposte

[left basin]

rmb could scale damage off of peril gained during aiming... perhaps?...

[dusk wren]

what's a cool weapon for scryer

[zealous wing]

as for build, looks good enough

[vast yew]

Shred vs. Riposte is whatever IMO; Riposte has better uptime but doesn't work if someone else has the boss' aggro

[ripe obsidian]

Get Warp Expenditure. Is very, very good.

[left basin]

staves - voidstrike, gun - vraks v

[dusk wren]

alright for voidstrike, but what about melee

i was thinking the 2h sword

[left basin]

fgs, deimos, ds

all work

[zealous wing]

deimos / ds is for singletarget only

[left basin]

some people have said that obscurus somehow doesn't suck some time ago

i never verified

[ripe obsidian]

On gunker, I also largely do not recommend Perilous Combustion. It's pretty minimal without other sources of Soulblaze

[zealous wing]

FGS is for both horde and single target

[dusk wren]

i thought covenant was the better one

[left basin]

that's the fgs

[dusk wren]

oh wait that's another weapon

[patent mango]

is it just me or is plama gunner pretty silent lmao

[zealous wing]

2nd blessing is dependant on playstyle

[left basin]

CRIT MORE CRIT CRIT AAAAAA

CRITTT

CRIIIIIIIIIIT

[zealous wing]

its... not great warning

[left basin]

it's borderline silent with all of the warp fuckery in my ear

[patent mango]

oh i finally get to hear that lmao

[zealous wing]

yeah i've found hearing the sounds isolated has helped far more than trying really hard to figure it out live

i even have the sniper one saved, though that was in a live setting

[left basin]

on EK i just dont hear anything period

[ripe obsidian]

Plasma gunner seems like a jerk

[dusk wren]

thanks

[zealous wing]

thats why i bully them

[left basin]

i mean i've met some plasma vets they aren't any different

[patent steeple]

btw, now that Warp Ghost exists and makes Warp Splitting good, does that mean we can finally make Unstable Power viable to pair with Riposte on FGS?

[vast yew]

https://tenor.com/view/milhosue-milhouse-milhouse8ball-gif-27260687

[ripe obsidian]

Warp Splitting was always good, but okay

[left basin]

god i retract my fucking statement on dd targets being consistent

[pale prairie]

I’ve been running that minus riposte forever

[pale prairie]

You doing 25 stacks?

[left basin]

they just need to scrap the fucking thing and be done with it

mhm

[dusk wren]

btw voidstrike peril as dump stat right?

is it ever not the dump stat

[left basin]

i just DONT switch to my ranged

[pale prairie]

Just give us EO

[left basin]

like, at all

[patent steeple]

true, actually... I guess what I really meant to say was "Warp Ghost makes Splitting even better"...?

[marble crater]

Jokes on you, for only voidstrike the dump is blast radius

[dusk wren]

owned

[left basin]

it DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT!!! here's a fucking gunner, go hit that!!!

[dusk wren]

oh i just rolled one with 60% on radius

[zealous wing]

brunts got your back

[left basin]

how tho

[zealous wing]

it ... keeps your peril high?

[left basin]

i mean, it's kind of hard not to be perilled in combat

[pale prairie]

Yes

[left basin]

especially on deedee

[zealous wing]

if you dont switch to your ranged, how the fuck do you fight hordes

[pale prairie]

And One with the Warp

[left basin]

by dodging mostly

[pale prairie]

Uh with the big fucking sword?

[verbal thistle]

didnt feel like they buffed crushers

[spiral storm]

new crystalline will seems like quality meme build potential

[left basin]

didn't you just take 7 seconds to drop one

[zealous wing]

yeah but you've ascended to god gamer

[verbal thistle]

probably just used to havoc

felt the same to me

[dusk wren]

this looks good for a scryer build?

[verbal thistle]

started from 0 buffs too

[zealous wing]

it WILL be higher in havoc as a result i believe

[pale prairie]

Yeah they increased the range from 25 M to 40M and I was worried it would mean my target is in the next room

[verbal thistle]

looks good

just that 1 change

[zealous wing]

bro whines about DD being a pain, also bitches about the solutions

[dusk wren]

right

ok thanks

[left basin]

huh?

[young cliff]

Am I dreaming or the new reduced CD for the wall shields have amazing uptime? Feels that fire staff with brain burst EP could be actually decent, specially vs the super fat crushers

[dusk wren]

wasn't it nerfed

the CD i mean

[patent mango]

yea i like plasma gunners but the sound could be louder so far

i heard they didnt have a spawn noise either

kinda odd

[dusk wren]

they are also beefy

[zealous wing]

if you cant fill the gaps, dont use DD, simple as

[dusk wren]

you wouldn't expect that from literally a normal soldier with a plasma gun

[patent mango]

they just seem like mauler tier

[zealous wing]

just because YOU have a skill issue doesnt mean the skills are shit 🙃

[patent mango]

tankiness wise

[dusk wren]

yep

[left basin]

my vraks, my assail, my EVERYTHING doesn't go through the horde. i need to disengage from combat or wait until i get a different target

[dusk wren]

i think they also have some big damage falloff

on close range, one clipped my entire toughness in one hit

on long range, bro had to shoot like 5 times

[zealous wing]

again, thats a you issue, i can target a single trapper within a horde with my assail, while using my sword to cleave the trash. its not a problem

if the target is a gunner way behind me, i can take him out too

[young cliff]

There is a perk in the wall side that reduces it's CD to 35 10 less

[dusk wren]

yeah but that's wall

[young cliff]

Electric wall, that can trigger Brain burst barrages

Paired with fire for hordes feels good

[dusk wren]

doesn't the wall get damage and lose time each time an enemy enters it

[zealous wing]

the wall definitely has its place, most prefer the bubble though, for open spaces as well as chokepoints

[dusk wren]

well specialists

[zealous wing]

and yes enemies getting electrified deal dmg to the wall

[dusk wren]

also what do you mean brain burst barrages

[zealous wing]

every single attack is guarenteed to hit BB with KF, with a 12s cooldown

[sturdy reef]

buffed captain hp is just gonna be annoying

[dusk wren]

i mean yeah but

[sturdy reef]

I hope this doesnt mean they have more bubble regen phases

[zealous wing]

its also great for KR

[sturdy reef]

that would be dumb

[zealous wing]

place one shield, have 10s of really cheap really fast BB

then, you still have another shield

[pale prairie]

Which lets you do it again

https://tenor.com/view/another-one-and-another-one-gif-13250129

[zealous wing]

if you really wanna be crazy BB is insane with celerity as well

[pale prairie]

Yeah they didn’t mention anything about shield changes

[sturdy reef]

please no more shield phases

lol

they're gonna be so fucking annoying on h40

if they didnt change it

[pale prairie]

What ISNT insane with a speed stim?

[zealous wing]

movespeed

i wanna go faster

[pale prairie]

Watch our new amazing tankiness get instantly deleted by the goddamn shield burst bug

[pale prairie]

flies off map

[young cliff]

With the KF other perk as soon as you place one shield you can spam BB so you can clean a crusher army with relative ease

[zealous wing]

YES

YOU GET ME

[dusk wren]

actually, i was thinking

you can aim a bit higher in a crowd to snipe specialists with assail right?

[lone ravine]

throw the shards upward then look at the enemy iirc

[dusk wren]

does that depend on how tall you made your character if you are up close

oh right, that works

[zealous wing]

that also works

and yeah player height can affect what you can see/reach

[sinful perch]

What's the word boys is the new talent that converts damage into peril any good?

[dusk wren]

lol that's why it never worked for me

[zealous wing]

the word "slightly" is what concerns me

[fringe harbor]

does warp splitting affect cleave inferno staff

[pale prairie]

Very good. It’s 25% DR

[young cliff]

I know what I Said

[marble crater]

There are now 9 instead of 10

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-yeah-okay-then-aight-gif-13383344606577294081

[sinful perch]

How's the peril generation though? Won't be much use if it caps out your peril from a few hits and now you can't attack

[fresh reef]

It already has infinite cleave

So no

[strong gulch]

Inferno has infinite cleave. So warp slitting won't do anything as a tangible or impactfully different.

So no.

[sturdy reef]

sg inferno actually much better this patch

way better

[dusk wren]

how so

[strong gulch]

Fun answer more infinite cleave more gooder.

[strong gulch]

real answer = no

[upper sun]

slightly means you get 1/2 per room now

maximum 10 per game

[sturdy reef]

stack reality anchor with solidity

you insta quell

[marble crater]

blocked

[zealous wing]

good thing i got their bestiary done then

[sturdy reef]

and PA works on SG cooldown while its active

so its back up quickly

[upper sun]

imma be real the term reality anchor keeps giving me flashbacks to SCP wiki reading

[sturdy reef]

Battle meditation feels pretty good on it too

[young cliff]

You can use BB fast enough to eliminate them and some elites, and the shields being stalling tool also helps

[sturdy reef]

for once

[fringe harbor]

also is kinetic flayer worth taking or nah it's only like 120 dps

[manic bridge]

quick question as i never had a mod installed to see stamina. Has dodge sliding always taken 2 stamina?

[sturdy reef]

yes

[marble crater]

Yes

[sturdy reef]

well

dodges technically

not stam

[stable bone]

Is venting shriek bugged at all where sometimes it just won't stagger or apply soulblaze stacks, even at high peril? It's been like this even before the update and idk if it's bugged or not

[gray zephyr]

it's been bugged like that forever

[manic bridge]

ahh i mispoke but you understood shame that explains a few things

[stable bone]

Oof lol I've just mostly ignored it and thought it was like server lag

[gray zephyr]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/venting-shriek-bug/111318

[fresh reef]

How strong is the new dueling sword parry into bosses?

[stable bone]

Gotcha, ok at least I'm not going crazy (probably)

[gray zephyr]

think it might happen if you activiate while sliding but it's happened other times for me

[stable bone]

I'm not looking forward to having to remake all my builds

[fringe harbor]

if im doing pen flame inferno, do i take blaze away or warp nexus

[sturdy reef]

messing around with this on inferno

feels good

[stoic axle]

kamikaze build might be meta (lie)

[manic bridge]

80% warp resistance is amusing

[dusk wren]

why not both

wait pen inferno is a thing now?

i thought you still tickled armored enemies with it

[quasi atlas]

warp nexus if you have talents that give you stuff on crit

cause crit procs go crazy on inferno

[sturdy reef]

alright its good

battle meditation is very nice on this build

[fierce crest]

is quietude insane now

[warped hollow]

Oh god I'm spychic, I'm gonna spychic attack

In smiting it

[sturdy reef]

yes

its insane

[fresh reef]

Didn't even realize they changed warp rupture

Psyker can now give the entire team +20% base damage with smite + shriek

Disgusting

[warped hollow]

I'm smitting

I'm gonna smite

[fresh reef]

Oh god I'm smooting

Still can't believe they fucking buffed smite

[marble crater]

Please don't

[warped hollow]

They buffed smite? No way

More fun?

Fun it's allowed in my game?

[lone ravine]

No the community will still burn you at the stake for using smite

[warped hollow]

Aw man

Guess I'll burn them first

[vast yew]

To be fair they also upped how much Peril it generates per second.
Which is kind of a buff, really, but it also helps stop people from spamming it 24/7

[lone ravine]

Does it still auto quell?

[warped hollow]

Yeah but, doesn't that one node still give -30% gain and toughness

[fierce crest]

does enfeeble apply to shock maul and electro staff?

[warped hollow]

A nerf to quell gain seems minimal with that and the ability that eats 50%up to 75% with the one node

Plus nodes that still grant quell speed and reduced gain

[fresh reef]

No, only to things actively affected by smite

[spice flame]

I love warp ghost I love warp ghost I love warp ghost I love warp ghost

[warped hollow]

I'm. Smitting

I'm about to smite

[copper oak]

man i want this

[wraith sphinx]

you're very unlucky, that set just left the slop shop

it won't return in a long while

[vast yew]

Ah yes, The Cheesecake Wizard

[wraith sphinx]

also hell, event missions are kind of a clusterfuck on vent purge

[copper oak]

yes they are

i ran into a krieger doing that

a krieger without a shovel

[vast yew]

Heresy

[copper oak]

they were forced to use the power falchion by the armory, they felt naked without it

[marble crater]

@pale prairie explain yourself

[pale prairie]

Never played vet past tutorial

[idle jungle]

I didn't have time to look at all the changes in the skill three before baby boy wokes up. Can you tell me the biggest changes ? Is there something that was underated that is now potentially good ?

[marble crater]

Biggest changes? Warp Expenditure is no longer awful and actually good now. Psykentic's Aura was nerfed, new Warp Ghost talent is pretty sweet

You can take any Blitz with anything now, doesn't lock you out of part of the tree

[idle jungle]

Oh shit, really ?

[sturdy reef]

honestly

I skip KD with warp ghost

[idle jungle]

Any blitz, wow

[sturdy reef]

thats +3 stam

including the op mod

to get to it

[zealous wing]

omfg

they fucked it

i did a malice mortis

[vast yew]

Warp Ghost doesn't play well with KD anyways as passive quell actually kind of important if you want to tank something like a DH

[zealous wing]

and, i DID use a fucking ammo crate

[vast yew]

Also a bunch more survivability in general

[marble crater]

When do you actually want to tank a DH?

[vast yew]

like the 25% damage taken -> Peril node

[pale prairie]

Biggest changes are that psyker now has only a handful of white nodes. 3 biggest ones you can’t avoid give +50 toughness and +10 TDR.

Psyker has a whole section of talents that give A crazy amount of Damage resistance.

Finally some white node melee damage +10%

SG gives toughness per second (a bunch of the top talents that give toughness have been changed to toughness over time) and it gives +20% TDR at base.

Warp siphon has the 4% damage per charge folded into base now.

Tree is generally more open you can combine all blitzes and abilities with all kinds of builds.

[vast yew]

Never, but I don't always get what I want

[sturdy reef]

the psyker tree is more flexible without giving you everything you want

very good changes

[marble crater]

I will take both, if my soulblaze aggros a DH, so be it

[sturdy reef]

hell yeah

[pale prairie]

Oh man that’s a really good point

[fringe harbor]

does warp ghost affect the quelling from perks or just the quell from waiting

[vast yew]

https://tenor.com/view/rocky-iv-dolph-lundgren-captain-ivan-drago-if-he-dies-he-dies-dies-gif-4956349

[zealous wing]

just passive

[idle jungle]

Thanks guys, i'm super hype now. Going to try find some times to play eventually tonigh haha thanks

[marble crater]

If I die it's my team's fault, as they didn't deal enough damage to the DH while I was blocking for my life

[pale prairie]

Basically a lot of the changes have made gunker and meleeker even more viable

[pale prairie]

What if no DH?

[marble crater]

Look at it, one more step and I would have survived this

[pale prairie]

I mean clearly Hexis didn’t use the gun he is always cradling to kill those gunners but still….

[zealous wing]

i did actually

i was trying to get the muti first

[pale prairie]

After he was dead?

[upper sun]

@marble crater we go again on the weekend DUO time

[zealous wing]

it happened so fucking quick

[pale prairie]

Looks like you ignored the gunners…….

[zealous wing]

yeah trying to res him while gunners are shooting preupdate was a bad idea

so, i didnt

but now we can do that

[pale prairie]

Oh yeah baby give me some of that clad and Sut clips

[pale prairie]

Truth

[marble crater]

[upper sun]

ill do zealot or psyker

arby is now OLD NEWS

[pale prairie]

Damn you’re gonna have to make some goddamn decisions

[upper sun]

yee

[pale prairie]

How’s about the new bolting and bistol?

[upper sun]

ass

[pale prairie]

Ooof

[upper sun]

i hate them so much its unreal

[pale prairie]

Better for juggling bursters though

[upper sun]

https://tenor.com/view/monkeys-paw-paw-monkey-gif-17535679

i asked for more bolt weapons

[pale prairie]

Lmao

[upper sun]

not good ones 😭

[pale prairie]

Did Thammer actually get changed?

[upper sun]

no

[pale prairie]

Ooof

Well guess chain weapons first

[upper sun]

but zealot's new kit compliments it a bit better

maniac damage and stamina are still ass

rest is ok

[pale prairie]

Built in base toughness now

More room for talents

[upper sun]

ye

i have 144 toughness on marty not bad

[pale prairie]

Not bad at all

[upper sun]

ye i can get a stam curio now comfortably

[wraith sphinx]

it's really cool that a lot of old convo topics are fixed to play out in full now

[upper sun]

all the talent changes for vet/psyker/zealot are very good i'm still not happy with weapon balance tho

[pale prairie]

Finally! The game had been so quiet lately. And conversations would just get dropped randomly

[upper sun]

peesword still shits on the new vet sword

[pale prairie]

Yeah one thing at a time

[patent mango]

yeah but pfalchion is awesome

psword isnt

[pale prairie]

Jesus

Veteran is back

[spice flame]

psword is a chore to use

[zealous wing]

the attacks looks so fucking floaty wtf

wtf is with the slow as fuck windup

[upper sun]

yea

[zealous wing]

let me slowly raise this definitely not super heavy weapon to menacingly shave this enemies face

[spice flame]

But I will admit that I'm not a fan of the pfalchion either

[upper sun]

pfalschienen

[spice flame]

shush

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-menacingly-spongebob-standing-there-gif-19452999

[zealous wing]

the scabs gotta ritualistically lose their noses and lips somehow

[spice flame]

the buffed evis with the new zealot skill tree tho

[pale prairie]

The rot off thanks to papa nurgle

[zealous wing]

i still cant believe they fucked up the mortis penance that badly holy shit

im just

[spice flame]

the new scab gunner do be hurting a lot ngl

[zealous wing]

reeling

[marble crater]

Time to git gud

[zealous wing]

you dont understand

i got it on a malice mortis, and i also used an ammo crate

i was going for this one

[strong gulch]

[zealous wing]

we were close, 20s over

[upper sun]

yeah this one is not doable anymore

[zealous wing]

but, with randoms its really a gamble

[upper sun]

it was super easy on launch

[zealous wing]

i bet we fucking could

[upper sun]

no

im stupid ill just get bored half way and start trying to find safe spots in the map

[tulip kettle]

is me

[zealous wing]

if the ogryn didnt go afk through an entire wave, we wouldve

[swift eagle]

recon lasgun and infantry autogun still the goto gunker firearms?

[tulip kettle]

but then they arent safe and i die and sin gets mad 🙁

[wraith sphinx]

I'm concerned about them going over my head tho, since whenever I hear that initial line I go like "oh I heard that one a million times" and then the convo just continues

[jovial juniper]

Should be

You know what I just realized

Warp Ghost

Is going to go hard on marksman psyker

Vigis just got buffed as well

Hoo boy

[ashen edge]

Feeling bad fighting buffed up enemies right now. Also I don't notice the decrease of crusher spawn in havoc or is it just me

[wraith sphinx]

warp ghost is goated on gunker

[upper sun]

idk about havoc but auric has very little crushers now

[zealous wing]

i will say WG is stressing me out when im using assail and not quelling passively like i used to

its gonna take getting used to

[upper sun]

also they fixed the idle hoards in lights out

[vast yew]

They nerfed the spawn rate to compensate for almost doubling their HP

[upper sun]

should be playable now

[zealous wing]

wdym fixed, how

[upper sun]

in lights out theres supposed to be hoards that stand in place and wait for you to bump into them

theyre back

[zealous wing]

they.... were always there for me?

[upper sun]

😭 i never saw them

until now

[vast yew]

Did you try turning on the lights?

[ashen edge]

Why? the emperor light is the only light you need freak

[zealous wing]

i just had a terrifying idea. a random modifier that can occur, for maels or havoc, where there's a chance it switches to lights out at certain points in the map

like, its not listed as a modifier, but its there

[fierce crest]

idk how to build anymore

theres too many good nodes

[pale prairie]

That would probably be so buggy

[zealous wing]

probably, but, its a terrifyng thought

[fierce crest]

my caxe revolver dome build was so simple before

[pale prairie]

Better idea barrel event with every lights out mission

[vast yew]

I can't imagine it's changed much. Just take the melee toughness at the top

[fierce crest]

but now warp ghost :(

and all the other big beef

[zealous wing]

well, you could try to remake your old build best you can, then duplicate and tweak things as you go, and compare old and new?

[fierce crest]

my dream of being a brawler is here and i dont have the points

[vast yew]

You should have enough extra points to grab the stuff that's really changed

[pale prairie]

I am grabbing all the big beef

Need to test

[surreal temple]

Melee psyker is straight nasty right now

Just a dream puts in real work

[vast yew]

Something like this for Bubble Knight seems fine, probably needs tweaking

[sturdy reef]

get mind in motion

[vast yew]

Actually Soulstealer instead of Quietude since Bubble Knight doesn't generate much Peril

[sturdy reef]

also DD

[burnt frigate]

This with warp expenditure

[sturdy reef]

I think PA is enough CD for bubble knight

[vast yew]

I'm confused why I would grab Mind in Motion

[sturdy reef]

assail

FGS if you use it

or

oops

I meant the other node

[vast yew]

oh you meant Malefic

[sturdy reef]

yeah MM

I dont think you need the bottom left tree at all

except maybe solidity

maybe

[surreal temple]

Along with one with the warp and immaterial focus just wade in a start swinging

[sturdy reef]

BK relies on passive quelling quite a bit

so if you go warp ghost, I think BCOB might be worth it

[pale prairie]

@upper sun https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/uTDB3tXapB

[zealous wing]

so much build tweaking in the next several days / week , i love it but i also fucking hate it

ive played 2 games today

in 8 fucking hours

[vast yew]

Tweaked version

[burnt frigate]

I'm doing this on Deimos mk IV with deflector and Kinetic Deflection. Feels like Arbites shield and maul.

[strong gulch]

Yeah. I got too much brain fog to even contemplate builds rn.

rip

[sturdy reef]

yeah this looks better

[zealous wing]

the rest has been tweaking and rereading and testing in psych

[sturdy reef]

I think you dont need any assail mods tbh

[vast yew]

I'm so excited to get home from work so I can update all my builds and then have to go to bed without actually getting a game in

[zealous wing]

i just wanna kill heretics

[sturdy reef]

just get the ogryn/monstrosity dmg

[sullen gale]

been trying out crystalline will, is the last part of it bugged? still seem to be taking corruption damage

[fierce crest]

this is what i fumbled into
but i want mettle, perfect timing, warp splitting, just a dream, sanctuary, kinetic deflection

[zealous wing]

you have to kill an elite WITH the explosion, not KF

[sullen gale]

do you know if it's working in the psykhanium?

[zealous wing]

yes i tested it

[vast yew]

That sounds good, update

[surreal temple]

I can imagine, I'm using the GS rn for max damage

[sullen gale]

I'll test again rq

[marble crater]

You should add a disclaimer to your pinned message with the builds just a simple "Outdated at the moment due to talent tree rework"

[sturdy reef]

ya I like it

[sturdy reef]

toughness regen nodes are mostly preference now imo

they're all pretty solid

[sullen gale]

yeah I just can't seem to get it to work

[strong gulch]

Thought about it but then forgot about it at least 5 times today.

[fringe harbor]

for inferno do you go vent or scriers now since there's no more teamwide psy aura

[zealous wing]

it also has to be an elite, not a specialist

so, a gunner, not a trapper, for example

[vast yew]

I'm scared to play Inferno without my safety bubble

[sullen gale]

nvm was doing wrong enemies lol, it works!!!!!!!!

ty!!!!!!!!

[zealous wing]

o7

[strong gulch]

added and stole the whole line

[marble crater]

[marble crater]

ADHD

[marble crater]

Buff psyker

[fierce crest]

+25 toughness is not a tax

i will trade blue nodes for more +25 toughness

[strong gulch]

it is if you try hard enough

[vast yew]

To be fair, Arbites has 4 if you count the +25 Toughness nodes as minor nodes (which they are for Psyker)

[upper sun]

dh one taps are back?????

[pale prairie]

For zealot

[zealous wing]

lmao

i peek over to arby chat

[fierce crest]

if they give us 29 points and +30 base toughness im happy

[zealous wing]

the first thing i see is whining that shit wasnt buffed to replace the nerf

it was a TINY as FUCK nerf and they're shattered

[vast yew]

First thing I saw was Mundo

[pale prairie]

They buffed break the line

[fierce crest]

remember when dog did more damage than an entire player

[zealous wing]

yeah they were whining about nucio and the other thing

[fierce crest]

and people wanted to keep it

[pale prairie]

Lmao

[woeful sigil]

arbys crying that they don't have god mode anymore is a satisfying sound

[fierce crest]

the nerfs do not seem like enough to remove god mode

[fierce crest]

least racist WH fan

[pale prairie]

They didn’t lose anything except for 3 talents being reduced (5% damage in one and losing 2 bleed stacks on another) and 20 base toughness

[woeful sigil]

I forsaw the arby nerf, most games that do paid class releases have a rollout method where they're op at first, then nerf them when they release the next class

[pale prairie]

Holy shit

[zealous wing]

i fucking said their tears would be sweet

[pale prairie]

Only 32 hours

[vast yew]

20 base toughness is a decent nerf, to be fair. Might not be able to completely sleepwalk through Havoc

[zealous wing]

this dudes a real one

[pale prairie]

Yeah but they have a bunch of TDR and toughness regen nodes. Not to mention a bunch of white nodes with toughness Guess we will see how it breaks down.

[vast yew]

Anyone thinking Arby is "weak" now though is crazy

[zealous wing]

ah apparently the review was russian and autotranslated

that may explain the framing

[burnt frigate]

We all knew Arbites was overtuned and due for a nerf. Not sure what the malfunction is.

[zealous wing]

if arby is weak psyker needs a buff

pls buff psyker

[vast yew]

I don't mind autotranslation per se but sites need to put a flag to let you know ffs

[sturdy reef]

yes. buff psyker to the moon

[loud girder]

i always look for chinese and russian review and post them

[pale prairie]

It’s the most cautious of nerfs too

[sturdy reef]

make brainj rupture an aoe

[loud girder]

comedy gold

[zealous wing]

give +25% movespeed extra to scrier

[sturdy reef]

[loud girder]

when auto translated

[burnt frigate]

It's super tame compared to what I was expecting. I'm surprised Forceful survived in any state.

[loud girder]

forceful is not even the busted keystone

that would be EO

[spice flame]

I'm surprised arby maul didn't get nerf

at all

it's straight up busted

[burnt frigate]

Vroom

[marble crater]

I mind, I speak German and English, YouTube has been trying to translate original German videos into English with AI and also tried to translate English videos into German with AI, just stop

[vast yew]

Arby Maul legitimately needs a decrease to its base damage, it's unexplainably high

[loud girder]

they're not doing any actual nerf on a 3 month old paid class

wait a year for that

lol

would be mass review bombs

[vast yew]

Forgot a caveat: Let users toggle it off

[spice flame]

I mean fine by me eh

[pale prairie]

Exactly. I can’t believe that this: survived

Ogryn only has 10% version

[marble crater]

Better yet, toggle it on. It's so bad

[loud girder]

i dont think it matters anymore tho

every class is busted now

we ball

[spice flame]

true

[fierce crest]

buff ogryn

[spice flame]

but tbf enemies have more hp now

well, most of them

[pale prairie]

Yeah it’s gonna I think lend to longer match runs we will see. Harder for team to get killed but more hp to slog through

[vast yew]

On autotranslated videos I agree. I hate looking up anime clips and getting greeted with some stupid AI voiceover instead of the original music + voice acting

[spice flame]

I've had terrible maelstroms today, everyone is dying left and right

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/jojos-bizarre-adventure-joseph-shocked-surprised-oh-my-god-gif-8313483

Peak voice acting

[spice flame]

and my heart legitimately can't take all the pressures of those clutches

[pale prairie]

Is it just people finally returning?

[spice flame]

idk

[pale prairie]

Weeeeeird

[spice flame]

but auric and thus, auric mael are more difficult now

[pale prairie]

Maybe trying new builds?

[spice flame]

at least they said it

[zealous wing]

yeah it very well could be new builds

[spice flame]

nah

[zealous wing]

the only ones who have no excuse are arby and oggy

and even arby had their trees reset

[spice flame]

I've seen so many so many dumb things from pubs

[vast yew]

wait why did they reset arby trees

[zealous wing]

it was an accident

[spice flame]

ppl straight up dying to busters by shooting at them etc

or.... shooting them in front of me

[zealous wing]

oof

[prime elk]

Prob just to fuck with us

[spice flame]

ah well

[zealous wing]

what region are you?

[spice flame]

could be returning players also

EU

[zealous wing]

folks is it time for me to be thrown into auric mael again?

[spice flame]

knock yourself out

[zealous wing]

i dont have much confidence in my build but i promise i know how to deal with bursters at least

[spice flame]

I'm so glad they moved those 2 fucks out of the way

[pale prairie]

Yes

[spice flame]

but now I have arby tree syndrome. So many nodes I want

[ripe obsidian]

ER is good for some builds. PotS is not so much, since basically every warp attack has great ADMs against all but carapace

[spice flame]

and this is a blessing from the fal-God emperor

[sturdy reef]

Pots giving your attacks brittleness could be interesting

[ripe obsidian]

Brittleness would be more useful

Rending is not very

[spice flame]

yeah

[spice flame]

ER is nice on blast and electro staff yeah

[sturdy reef]

Would give SB a purpose aaginst bosses and crushers

[ripe obsidian]

The Ogryn+boss damage node is quite good. I can't fit it on my staffker builds, but I can on meleeker and gunker

[sturdy reef]

I did fit it on my shriek and sg inferno builds

[ripe obsidian]

SB is good against bosses. I often have top boss damage. Which is sad.

[ripe obsidian]

I could if I dropped KD.

[zealous wing]

oh yeah btw six do you have a shriek inferno build atm i can compare with?

[ripe obsidian]

One moment.

[sturdy reef]

Yeah that shouldnt be happening lmao

Unless gunker

Then u dumpster bosses

[spice flame]

That's my inferno build

[royal totem]

Is it time for me to shoot bursters near hexis?

[ripe obsidian]

I find Quietude to be a good node, but unnecessary with Mettle and Souldrinker already giving loads of toughness over time.

[spice flame]

Glad to see that Six and I have mostly the same build

[zealous wing]

sweet i have almost the exact same thing, the top half is very slightly different

[ripe obsidian]

KD is preference. Feel free to drop it if you want

[spice flame]

Maybe a bit overkill but, eh, I like it anyway

[zealous wing]

i also did take the boss dmg node, oops xD too tempting

[ripe obsidian]

I might drop it, given all the extra stamina from the new tree

[zealous wing]

new shinies

[ripe obsidian]

We will see

[spice flame]

I like having the possibility to regen toughness out of thin air with quietude

[zealous wing]

KD is a requirement imo

[ripe obsidian]

Is fine. Nothing wrong with the pick

[wraith sphinx]

I like this new mkV dsword

very elegant moveset

[zealous wing]

this is the top of my tree

[spice flame]

tho I would love to take Empathic evasion

[spice flame]

empyric shock with purga ? eh

[zealous wing]

figured i'd test it

old build didnt have it but, its testing time

[spice flame]

I thought about it, but I feel there's just better nodes on inferno

[zealous wing]

perhaps

[ripe obsidian]

Highly recommend getting perfect timing. Basically 100% uptime on +15% damage

[spice flame]

this tho

[zealous wing]

ye probably will

theres just so much to try and no one to play with

[ripe obsidian]

Empyric Shock is less of a troll pick now that it's not gated by the shitty swap speed node. But it is still not something I like much. Is better on EK

[spice flame]

oh yeah on EK I see the value for sure

and it's easily accessible

[sturdy reef]

The staff primary/secondary nodes are still meh

[ripe obsidian]

The damage loss from LMB on Inferno is not made up for by Empyric Shock imo

Except on bosses.

But you shouldn't build Inferno for boss killing

It's a solid tool for the purpose, but not great

[spice flame]

I cannot emphasis enough how much the -80% passive quell on ghost warp is nice

[ripe obsidian]

It is the best new node

Easily

[spice flame]

I just need to adjust cause I'm so used to the passive quell but the QOL on peril management is outstanding

[pale prairie]

Agreed

[spice flame]

not even talking about the DR

[ripe obsidian]

The +2 stamina is making me ponder if I want to keep KD. I am unsure.

[spice flame]

and +2 stam

wtf is this node

not DR, toughness regen*

[cosmic cobalt]

+2 stamina is not even close to what kd offer lol

[ripe obsidian]

If I keep +2 stamina on my weapon, as well as the +3 from the new tree, I will have 6 total? I think? Which is pretty fantastic