I don’t think I have that one cause I never figured out the bells thing
#psyker-class
pale prairie
marble crater
Just hit the bell, smh
marble crater
Ok Ogryn
upper sun
i think my team was psyker ainz and drvodka
modest perch
(i was staring at the loading screen the whole time cus were on opposite sides of the world)
marble crater
marble crater
It's still part of the new campaign
long osprey
Saw a psyker with 4.4K crits with surge staff after maelstrom
How can you achieve that?
It seems quite high
woeful sigil
right now i'm trying out a build for brittleness on surge staff
long osprey
What is your amount of crits per game?
woeful sigil
no idea
I don't think I can get scoreboard to run on linux
crap I forgot
it had uhhh
it paired well with something
but i forgor
I gotta go check
marble crater
How can you achieve that?
Lmb spam maybe?
woeful sigil
does anyone know if brittleness from surge staff spreads to enemies with wildfire
if so I might consider throwing it on
pale prairie
Just hit the bell, smh
There was like a special pattern though
modest perch
does anyone know if brittleness from surge staff spreads to enemies with wildfir...
i doubt it. they removed those kinds of interactions (weapon based debuffs applying from dots/class abilities) a while back
also brittleness does nothing for unarmored/infested
marble crater
There was like a special pattern though
I don't know, I think if you play with someone who has it unlocked already everyone just needs to attack the bell at the start and that's all
I never hit more than that
marble crater
No understand
pale prairie
No understand
Means I never grouped for it so it always depended on a rando having it. They did change it though…. But it’s campaign locked now though right?
marble crater
Think so, I haven't seen the option to just start it, which is super weird
strong gulch
I don’t think I have that one cause I never figured out the bells thing
Valid. Someone did it for me. Then I watched a walkthrough to get it for my partner.
gray juniper
It’s a fun ordeal to do it with a random group
Btw guys you just need to know the route and hit the bells slowly until you hear a gong sound
north crown
Does Solidity (30% faster quell speed) apply to passive peril reduction too?
zealous wing
doesnt seem so
zealous wing
Does Solidity (30% faster quell speed) apply to passive peril reduction too?
for science purposes
north crown
Thanks, appreciated.
zealous wing
though if its a choice between solidity and puppet master always go solidity
north crown
TY. I'm currently experimenting with a c/d reduction build (flame staff + warp siphon with the 10% flame proc to get stacks, throw down barrier and spam Kinetic Resonance brain bursts). Is the build a born loser?
cosmic cobalt
the only thing you need is psykernetic aura
quite literally the most broken thing in the game
north crown
TY - that sounds relevant to my interests
verbal thistle
use a gun with stripped down and play a mostly ranged maelstrom
zealous wing
i'd definitely want my stamina curio back in then i suppose
my main issue is i kill them too quick
if i put stripped down on which other blessing should i use
currently used to dumdum and infernus
(reconlas)
zealous wing
ye thats its main point in my proper builds
ill do that when i get a second reconlas with appealing stats
ty
wispy bay
You can go with Vet and use Duck and Dive.
With fast melee like Dsword, Tac Axe or knife, 2 or 3 maelstrom ranged games should get it done.
zealous wing
nah
though i did only start making progress on it when i was using the taxe, im not good at using it
fiery stratus
zealous wing
its just something i have to focus on doing because otherwise i literally kill them before i have to sprint away from them (EE go brr)
initially i tried removing deflector from my FGS but it didnt feel right
wispy bay
If you don't want to do it the easier way, then you can take your time.
zealous wing
playing vet/zealot/ogryn isnt easy
playing zealot/ogryn is such a slog i want to quit the missions halfway through, vet is probably gonna be much the same
havent played vet since i started psyker
though i did notice it doesnt say "once per reaper" like the other similar penances say
fiery stratus
ogryn good
zealous wing
sad thing is i do enjoy mortis but not with bots
ripe obsidian
And probably using new assets because ???
zealous wing
idc if oggy is GOOD or not it feels like shit and boring as fuck to play, to me
same with zealot
fiery stratus
you aren't playing it right 
if you're playing snorefest taunt with feel no pain yes its probably very slow
zealous wing
i dont care enough to learn
plucky flax
Mortis trial update 
fiery stratus
dead content
plucky flax
Make new class already
fiery stratus
rite
zealous wing
if they made mortis have an option to turn off bots using the medicae it'd be better
zealous wing
bots are so useless harmful in mortis its ridiculous
fiery stratus
too many lines of code
ripe obsidian
Fatshark needs to figure out their production cycle. The studio is over 100 people, no?
fiery stratus
we gotta use whichever method is a low cost as possible so we can make as much profit as possible
ripe obsidian
If they did, like, 1 map/weapon set a month, one major update a quarter, and something on par with a class or rework a year, they would be in such a better state. I don't think that's an unreasonable pace.
patent jacinth
1 weapon a month would be insane bloat
ripe obsidian
Especially since they have assets they can reuse. They don't have to reinvent the wheel.
ripe obsidian
1 weapon a month would be insane bloat
Fair.
patent jacinth
And 1 map a month would drop the quality a lot
Also, half their studio works on Vermintide
And the staff number of the studio isn’t all developers
ripe obsidian
The content cycle wouldn't be <30 days to make a map. It would be like 6 months per map, but released regularly.
zealous wing
yeah they need consistency
ripe obsidian
The software company I work for has 8 release cycles a year. But each one is like 4-5 months long.
plucky flax
All the players came with arbites release have all gone
They really don't know how to keep momentum going
ripe obsidian
Planning, then development, then testing, then release. It's not all condensed into a single month
Apparently they are between 180 and 200 total employees.
zealous wing
yeah we supposedly have an entire city, i'd like to see more of it
patent jacinth
Not the entire city is important or under attack
zealous wing
tho the teasing of city 2 is also interesting
ripe obsidian
It's not a developer problem. It's a management problem.
patent jacinth
Or even assaultable at all
ripe obsidian
They have the workforce and the skill, and both are incredibly mismanaged
zealous wing
yeah but theres probably more than 5 areas of a city under attack
patent jacinth
Not all of them are assaultable by reject squads
Or a good use of the rejects
We’re a surgical strike team
wraith sphinx
All the players came with arbites release have all gone
They come back whenever there is a content drop
Because there is always a surge of activity then
plucky flax
Not when it's mortis trial update
ripe obsidian
We’re a surgical strike team
There is a balance between "Makes sense in the lore" and "makes a good game." We're already killing lesser demons regularly. Lore is hardly an issue. Best use of rejects is whatever Fatshark says it is.
plucky flax
Not many ppl play that crap
patent jacinth
There is a balance between "Makes sense in the lore" and "makes a good game." We...
And GW has final say on lore stuff
zealous wing
i saw someone mention that the title of the update seems like its a vet rework update, or related to it in some way
wraith sphinx
I don't really agree
zealous wing
SOMETHING vet related
wraith sphinx
Mortis has its enjoyers since it's darktide's rough equivalent of chaos wastes
ripe obsidian
And GW has final say on lore stuff
Why are you fighting so hard against everyone right now?
zealous wing
new vet weapon does bode well
patent jacinth
Why are you fighting so hard against everyone right now?
Just you, and cause I’ve nothing better to do
wraith sphinx
Damn, you call that fighting?
ripe obsidian
Fighting is a general term. She's disagreeing with everyone for what seems like solely the purpose of starting shit
zealous wing
lol i know im forgettable but damn
patent jacinth
And hexis like twice but we were talking about the same thing
zealous wing
wraith sphinx
- content drops
- people bitch about it then play then bitch slightly less
- we go back to being dripfed cosmetics and time limited event
- people bitch about it
Rinse and repeat. How have yall not caught onto it yet lol
patent jacinth
I recognize this cycle well
wraith sphinx
Some others who should know better seemingly aren't though
patent jacinth
That list is just like
Slow cycle games in general
ripe obsidian
Just you
Then, I am not sure what I did to you that you argue with me whenever we're in the same chat.
ripe obsidian
'Cause it happens regularly and I do not know why
patent jacinth
Can you give me the interval of “regularly”
ripe obsidian
We don't overlap a ton. Once a month or so? I don't have exact dates
wraith sphinx
I find it more concerning this is considered slow in general
Or how much of the recent bitching was motivated by the studio being on a summer break
Love it when players start sounding like CEOs
patent jacinth
I find it more concerning this is considered slow in general
Or how much of the ...
Comparatively slow
Other games in the genre (mainly HD2 which is a big standard setter right now) update way faster
With quality way lower but that apparently doesn’t matter
ripe obsidian
I find it more concerning this is considered slow in general
Or how much of the ...
We can compare their output to Arrowhead, who is half the size and uses the same engine, or even the VT2 team who are in the same studio. I truly believe Fatshark's developers are talented, skilled, passionate people. But their managers seem to be disorganized and not implementing good development cycles.
wraith sphinx
Yeah and I honestly despise hd2's updating cycle
It represents everything I dislike about live service games
patent jacinth
Yeah and I honestly despise hd2's updating cycle
Because it’s like 75% paid stuff and releases half broken consistently
ripe obsidian
As mentioned, the company I work for has 8 release cycles per year, and they start planning like 4-6 months in advance for single development cycles. Longer if it spans multiple.
patent jacinth
What do you make
ripe obsidian
I work for a big tech company. So everything
Like, actually everything
Personally, I do networking things
wraith sphinx
Because it’s like 75% paid stuff and releases half broken consistently
Yeah. Stuff is generally rushed, formulaic and features an arguably quantifiable amount of pay2win (saying this causes people to immediately rush to the game's defense but earning supercreds through high difficulty gameplay is at a snail's pace compared to sc farming which most players would be loathe to do) and vast majority of it is variations of existing content - with duly noted exceptions like illuminate and ubderground bug missions
And megacities
patent jacinth
If you’re purely farming super credits just spend that time at your job
It’s likely more enjoyable
wraith sphinx
Is this inherently bad? No. Is it an example to aspire towards? Ehh.
ripe obsidian
I wonder how difficult it is to develop for OSRS compared with Darktide. I genuinely don't know. Haven't played Runescape in years, but I believe they have weekly content drops?
wraith sphinx
If you’re purely farming super credits just spend that time at your job
It’s lik...
I'm a student
patent jacinth
Statement was a generalization but yeah that’s the exception
wraith sphinx
It does generally track yeah
People pull the "you can earn the premium currency" card and act like it makes hd2 the superior live service game when in reality almost everyone just buys sc anyway because earning them is incredibly slow
And/or requires you to not actually play the game
patent jacinth
I did the math and on average it is slower than working federal minimum wage
near gale
wraith sphinx
Yeah I believe it
plucky flax
Yeah just use irl money to buy stuff
Dont grab snacks for a couple days
Save your health and get in game skins 
radiant frigate
ripe obsidian
I'm sure many studios have a marketing person whose entire job is to price things at the ideal level to tempt whales
wraith sphinx
I'd say the amount of p2w is relatively tame in hd2
I agree
radiant frigate
helldivers mobilize has a lot of good stuff (and like 3 of the four horsemen of boosters)
wraith sphinx
There is just a nonzero amount of it
radiant frigate
i will not speak of the coyote
wraith sphinx
I LOVE the coyote
patent jacinth
Was about to mention that thing
radiant frigate
because just on raw stats that's insane
patent jacinth
Isn’t it like the best rifle in the game
wraith sphinx
Yep
Medium armor pen, comes with 4x scope by default, incendiary bullets, funky little ak/ar platform abomination
radiant frigate
liberator capacity but higher damage and also burn
radiant frigate
wouldn't know i don't have it
wraith sphinx
If someone only ever wanted to get exactly one premium warbond I would still rec them dem det
radiant frigate
just heard about the coyote
strong gulch
Imagine knowing the names of the guns.
Because I can't. 😭
wraith sphinx
I 100%ed the warbond already
wraith sphinx
The grenade is a frag grenade that splits into clusters, except those clusters don't hit anything and everything is light armor pen
Worthless!
radiant frigate
nice!
patent jacinth
How do the clusters just fail to hit things
radiant frigate
confirmed worse than repurposed fireworks
wraith sphinx
I don't know but they just don't
Maybe you are supposed to cook the grenade and airburst it but nothing really indicates that
radiant frigate
awful lot of involvement if so
wraith sphinx
And considering its light armor pen you will get less kills on a mixed bug horde compared to a standard frag
Which you can just throw and forget yeah
ripe obsidian
@radiant frigate I was very close to the stage.
2nd row. Or 1.5th row. People were stacked pretty close together
radiant frigate
SIX
ripe obsidian
Yeah. The energy from the performers was great considering it was their fourth show
Two more today
But they were all laughing and smiling with each other
10/10 stage energy
radiant frigate
must be what happens when people fall in love with their craft
ripe obsidian
And hopefully have a good working environment
I honestly enjoyed the performance and camaraderie more than the music, which feels weird to say. Being in the front, I also got the full force of the entire crowd singing every song, which was incredible.
radiant frigate
i don't think it's weird at all
if it was just for the music, you have the privilege of being able to listen to it whenever you like
but to feel the vibrations, with the crowd, the energy?
THAT is what you came for
ripe obsidian
True. But I have never been in the front for these shows before, so I could never make out the expressions of the performers, and their little gestures and quirks
Very fun experience
mighty fractal
I like how whenever you're close to hitting h40, all of the shriek psykers come out of the woodwork. And then you get a gunner seed
this is how psykers keep the havoc population in check
modest perch
bro you dont understand bubble doesnt make orange number on scoreboard
radiant frigate
true and real
mighty fractal
cant get big number if you die first because no bubble
tbh It's kind of the fault of Havoc for enforcing such a strict meta
I hate being pigeonholed into chorus zealot
radiant frigate
cant get big number if you die first because no bubble <:loregryn:10365806747417...
can't get big number if you keep protecting your team with bubble so they survive
mighty fractal
So I get it
patent jacinth
I hate being pigeonholed into chorus zealot
You aren’t
Zealot functions fine with FotF
Golden toughness is just busted
radiant frigate
havoc at release just left a sour taste in my mouth
like "we decided to make shooters hyper lethal"
so now we're back to release darktide experience except now you bring a bunch of defensive ults
riveting
kind of like having a normal game of DT but removing ults
turns out if you make things complicated enough, suddenly it goes back to basics
zealous wing
is it weird im excited for the 2nd mauler variant?
its bothered me for a while there was only one type
especially a SPECIFIED type
like not overly excited but more of a "im extremely curious" excited
zealous wing
i wonder if it will also be slow and menacing in its approach
or if it will be faster
not as fast as a rager probably but i imagine not being weighed down by armour
ripe obsidian
I like how whenever you're close to hitting h40, all of the shriek psykers come ...
What's wrong with Shriek? It's more impactful than bubble. I play Shriek almost exclusively and am almost always the lowest damage taken
One of the best H40 games I have played was me on Shriek, Zealot on FotF, and whatever the other two people were. Maybe Ogryns, don't remember them well.
mighty fractal
Golden toughness is just busted
fotf works -fine-, but you never really need more damage in H40 than you already do as a team. And gold armo + invuln from Chorus + damage res or damage buff from Chorus is always useful
You can run some funny boss bonk builds with FotF, though
mighty fractal
What's wrong with Shriek? It's more impactful than bubble. I play Shriek almost ...
Shriek's CC gets screwed over by Final Toll, and Bubble is just way easier to carry with in pubs
I've beaten plenty of H40s with Shriek or Seer's on the team (just did, actually!). But Bubble's utility is always useful, and your damage is fine without Shriek
zealous wing
i wonder how my scriergaze build would handle h40 when i get the skill for playing it 
mighty fractal
Scrier's can work, it's just a lot harder to play
Like I'd say Psyker has a little more leeway to run something that isn't Bubble compared to Zealot and Vet
Vet has almost no reason not to run VoC
Playing with a source of gold armor on the team just makes the game way easier. I don't think you can deny that lol
Ogryn and Arby are privileged because they can run any ult and bring something useful to the team
cosmic cobalt
bro ass not making it pass the party finder screen 💔
cosmic cobalt
Ogryn and Arby are privileged because they can run any ult and bring something u...
kid named point blank barrage
indomitable is also pretty ass in havoc
probably cause there nothing beat the instant redirect aggro and 25% damage debuff
mighty fractal
Indom works fine. It's what I usually run
Ogryn is strong enough to run anything it wants, really
But Taunt is by far the best ogryn ult
Indom also gets screwed by Final Toll, but it's still good for repositioning
or for getting to a ritual that's bugged and ticking up a room away
Like, an Ogryn running PBB or Indom is better off than a Vet running Infiltrate or Stance just because Ogryn itself is strong, and because the utlity VoC Vet brings to the table is that strong
mighty fractal
You're just better off bringing VoC as Vet in all cases
unless there's a breakpoint that stance lets you hit that I'm not aware of
I have no idea why you'd ever bring Stance unless it's for the suppression immunity and damage on an off-meta gun
cosmic cobalt
pbb is not even off meta it just literally unusable
like it truly not worth bringing
mighty fractal
Same with Stance
as far as I'm aware
or Infil
like why would you ever bring that shit
cosmic cobalt
infil is unusable
mighty fractal
It can -work-, but why would you use it
cosmic cobalt
pbb just literally do nothing unless you run twin linked
but then you have to run twin linked
goodbye ammo economy
does shred boss though
mighty fractal
Ogryn has a lot of boss shredding options as it is, but that is true
cosmic cobalt
yeah which is why pbb is bad
ripe obsidian
Shriek's CC gets screwed over by Final Toll, and Bubble is just way easier to ca...
I have found the opposite. With Bubble, I have to work way harder to carry if my team is lackluster
mighty fractal
which just points to ogryn having a lot of strong options again
ripe obsidian
I can do a lot more to carry with Shriek
mighty fractal
My experience is the opposite with Bubble and Shriek, but ymmv
ripe obsidian
As for Final Toll, sure, but it's only really an issue with Crushers or purple enemies
cosmic cobalt
shriek does work in havoc but shield is just easier to use
mighty fractal
Bubble letting you reposition constantly with toughness regen just makes things way easier for your team
ripe obsidian
Otherwise Shriek's 50% damage increase on 16 > 22 stacks kills everything so quickly
mighty fractal
like if your team is bad with bubble, chances are they will play even worse without bubble
ripe obsidian
Shield is easier, I will concede that
mighty fractal
because even a bad player knows to stand in the blue dome of safety
Shriek does evaporate elite patrols though
plucky flax
Bubble is hard when you play bubble knight
ripe obsidian
That can kill them, unfortunately. I have had so many players rush into a bubble and stay there even under heavy fire. Like, I have 6.6 seconds because no one killed the reaper. Pls move.
mighty fractal
Ignite wall of maulers, poke them in the head a few times to proc rending, dodge backward and watch them fall over
ripe obsidian
I have seen a lot of people drop because they expect the bubble to be infinite
mighty fractal
You don't HAVE to stand in the bubble, either
ripe obsidian
And not just a method to move between safe areas or reposition
mighty fractal
just positioning it in front of a gunner wall takes care of a third of the arena
One thing I do appreciate Havoc for is that people have finally seen the value of smoke nades
mighty fractal
or arby in general
cosmic cobalt
surprising how different the game is when you actually have to hunker down
mighty fractal
But especially arby radio
ripe obsidian
just positioning it in front of a gunner wall takes care of a third of the arena
Providing the team kills all the gunners in time. Otherwise...
plucky flax
Arby 
ripe obsidian
With randoms, I often find I have to put bubbles in less than ideal locations because they don't play aggressively
mighty fractal
Uhh
cosmic cobalt
With randoms, I often find I have to put bubbles in less than ideal locations be...
that just a team issue
tbf
ripe obsidian
Hey, Nuncio + boss damage Arby is actually great
mighty fractal
Nuncio is about as utility as you can get lol
same with constant knockdowns from breach
And shock mines
shock mines and shock dog are like half the reason you bring the class
Plus arb has strong damage numbers in general
cosmic cobalt
you don't really need shock mine if you have a good psyker
ripe obsidian
that just a team issue
It is a team issue that occurs at least 50% of my H40 games when I take bubble. I'd rather have the means to kill the threats myself than bubble and rely on allies I can't trust
mighty fractal
Yes but you can't deny that shock mine is good
mighty fractal
especially if you have at least 1-2 for every situation due to regen mines with a dogless build
cosmic cobalt
but it doesn't compare to shout or chorus
mighty fractal
dog is also a free peel if you get mutied, and a free kill on a problem special
cosmic cobalt
basically any team need at least 1 gold toughness
summer prairie
Always staying alive while doing a lot of damage is high utility
ripe obsidian
Shock mine is good in niche situations, imo. It tends to double up on existing CC. Really clutch in crusher swarms, but otherwise eh
mighty fractal
Well of course
mighty fractal
Always staying alive while doing a lot of damage is high utility
This too
cosmic cobalt
Shock mine is good in niche situations, imo. It tends to double up on existing C...
yeah this is what i meant
you only need it in like 2/10 of situations
mighty fractal
Crusher swarms are one of the scariest things in a H40, depending on the map and where you are
cosmic cobalt
otherwise either nades with lw or dog
plucky flax
Best I can do is afk and let dog roam around
mighty fractal
so I'd say it's worth
It does get fucked by Final Toll though
shock dog is mega clutch too
cosmic cobalt
shock dog is good for bossing
cosmic cobalt
i expect nerf soon because it literally unconditionally stagger everything in the game
ripe obsidian
My favorite Arby teammates are always the ones who do like 20k DPS to bosses
mighty fractal
The point wasn't that you'd bring it over gold toughness (which might be holding vet and zealot back because gold armor is so strong)
arb crusher/maul/shield and maul is also absurdly safe to play
but especially crusher
you just cruise
ripe obsidian
The issue with Arby players is that, while the class has the tools to be super useful to a team, most of them decide the game is single-player
mighty fractal
That's a player issue, but yes
cosmic cobalt
good cc sure
mighty fractal
Arby fills in the gaps in a team by being generically strong
cosmic cobalt
nowadays i just use shield since asm got boring
mighty fractal
pretty sure reginald even said that in a video the other day lol
I only use shield when i want to melt my brain on arby
ripe obsidian
Doesn't Reginald also say Psyker is the weakest class? Dude is not a great font of truth
cosmic cobalt
hammerblow + high voltage + strike down talent make you pretty good at everything
cosmic cobalt
Doesn't Reginald also say Psyker is the weakest class? Dude is not a great font ...
yeah
psyker is strong as hell
no toughness regeneration my ass
ripe obsidian
Toughness regen is less an issue than damage reduction.
mighty fractal
It's the lack of damage reduction that makes psyker pop
mighty fractal
You get scratched by two poxwalkers and you're at half health
ripe obsidian
I already do that.
mighty fractal
or one bad burster (yet another reason why gold toughness is so strong)
ripe obsidian
cosmic cobalt
the psyker is weak thing imo come from like auric player
mighty fractal
psyker gameplay is not taking damage for 30 minutes and then suddenly losing 3/4 of your health to a couple hits
then not taking damage again
I wasn't even aware people thought psyker is weak
it's overkill for content lower than havoc, sure
but so is everything else
ripe obsidian
There was a month or so after Arby's release that people came into this chat literally daily to complain about Psyker being shit
mighty fractal
oh
ripe obsidian
Then got mad when others disagreed
mighty fractal
I usually don't check the class chats for that reason lol
cosmic cobalt
even in auric it pretty easy to top damage using pretty much any build
ripe obsidian
Psyker has the highest skill floor and ceiling, I think. Ain't weak. Just harder.
zealous wing
GOD that dude is gonna live in my brain for too long
upper sun
i think spawns are bugged again
mighty fractal
If you're not topping damage as psyker, you are actually doing something wrong (or you got really unlucky and died at a bad time)
upper sun
i havent seen 2 bosses in one game in a while
zealous wing
the one blabbing in comms about how psyker is weak while im TRYING to SAVE their asses
cosmic cobalt
scrier glaze my beloved
zealous wing
(i got netted because i couldnt hear over his constant whining)
cosmic cobalt
gunpsyker is like the highest dps build in the game iirc
ripe obsidian
If you're not topping damage as psyker, you are actually doing something wrong (...
Or are in a game with Rumbler Ogryn or a super aggressive Arby who kills things before you can get to them
mighty fractal
Scier/Shriek Purg basically doubles your damage on big hordes
idle plover
Gunpsyker pleases my adhd
ripe obsidian
Shriek Purg is my favorite.
ripe obsidian
mighty fractal
Purg is basically made for Shriek
Same with Trauma, though Trauma Bubble is actually my favorite psyker build
idle plover
Gunpsyker with kinetic flayer and shriek is my no 2
cosmic cobalt
trauma aka babysitting
radiant frigate
I wasn't even aware people thought psyker is weak
weak people think psyker is weak
cosmic cobalt
kinetic flayer is ass outside purge staff build
mighty fractal
TRUE
ripe obsidian
I like Purg Shriek because I can play like a psychopath. Always in the front of the team, leading the charge
mighty fractal
Kinetic Flayer basically needs purg to get value
it's good WITH purg
but you're not proccing it enough without purg
idle plover
I think also double barrel with shield and greatsword is great too
mighty fractal
even with a blaze trauma
ripe obsidian
KF is good with every staff not named Voidstrike
zealous wing
its also fun on a reconlas gunker
mighty fractal
It does get some value on blaze trauma though
radiant frigate
i think double barrel serves no purpose
mighty fractal
I haven't gunkered much though
cosmic cobalt
kinetic flayer just compete with other perk on gunpsyker it not worth it
ripe obsidian
Picking BB on Gunker sounds gross.
radiant frigate
i would not take kf without a staff
mighty fractal
double barrel shotty is nice on zealot/vet for punching through five ragers in a row
mighty fractal
or for deleting a trapper in the middle of a horde
ripe obsidian
Gunker is a beekeeper. Go forth, Assail.
radiant frigate
assail is like the default ranged weapon for melee psyker
idle plover
I mean just having wildfire helps the kinetic flayer
summer prairie
There's barely any difference in proccing frequency regardless of what you are running
radiant frigate
the ranged slot is something else
summer prairie
maybe if you have no SB at all
cosmic cobalt
assail is easier to use but that doesn't beat 100% scrier uptime
radiant frigate
are you sure about that
cosmic cobalt
I mean just having wildfire helps the kinetic flayer
wildfire
😭
do not pick that shit it a trap
cosmic cobalt
the good one is perilous
mighty fractal
Perilous Combustion?
that's the one that actually does work in a horde
It's really hard to quantify how much Wildfire actually contributes due to how it works
cosmic cobalt
it does because it doesn't apply 1 stack to 3 enemy and apply 4 stack to 4 enemy
I wonder why it better
idle plover
I just kill one special and spread flame and bop trapper with flayer i didnt ser
Its funny
mighty fractal
The best argument you can maybe make for Wildfire is that it primes enemies far away for more ignite stacks, and that's a good thing because ignite damage scales exponentially with the number of stacks on the target
ripe obsidian
Wildfire is good. Not great.
cosmic cobalt
while perilous give 4 stack
mighty fractal
but I don't think I've ever seen anyone provide hard proof that it's doing that work
cosmic cobalt
2-4 stack to 4 target
ripe obsidian
No.
mighty fractal
It divides up the stacks to nearby enemies
zealous wing
while perilous give 4 stack
cosmic cobalt
so that 4 target with 1 stack
mighty fractal
Right?
cosmic cobalt
perilous is 4 stack to 3 target
ripe obsidian
No?
zealous wing
cosmic cobalt
literally just test this in the psykarium
radiant frigate
perilous is 3 stacks to anything in range
ripe obsidian
PC is 3 stacks to limitless targets
cosmic cobalt
in-game description is wrong
mighty fractal
Wildfire in all practical situations really only applies 1 to enemies around it because it divvies up the stacks
ripe obsidian
WF is 2-4 stacks based on nearby enemies
cosmic cobalt
perilous is 3 stacks to anything in range
ok it was 3 im stupid
but again wildfire is ass
dues to how it work
radiant frigate
wildfire is ok on purg and maybe blaze trauma if you want to run in fire reborn
ripe obsidian
Killing an elite or special applies 3 stacks of Soulblaze to all enemies (including Daemonhosts) within a 4m radius of the killed elite or special. Does proc on elites or specials killed by Psyker's Soulblaze damage ticks as well as by burn or bleed ticks.
PC
radiant frigate
but in the 2nd case it is not for damage, but for warp charges
cosmic cobalt
it not even worth it on purge because again it does like zero stack
cosmic cobalt
Killing an elite or special applies 3 stacks of Soulblaze to all enemies (includ...
try it in psykarium
also private game
ripe obsidian
Whenever an enemy who is affected by at least two stacks of Psyker's Soulblaze dies, Soulblaze is spread to valid targets within a 5m radius. Targets do not receive Soulblaze stacks caused by the talent if they already have 4 stacks or more on them. Valid targets can receive Soulblaze stacks up to a maximum of 4 that are caused by the talent. Daemonhosts are not valid targets.
The amount of Soulblaze stacks that is spread depends on the amount of Soulblaze stacks on the dying enemy: If the enemy dies with 1 stack, no spread; if dying with 2 stacks, 2 stacks will spread; if dying with 3 stacks, 3 stacks will spread; if dying with 4 stacks, 4 stacks will spread; if dying with more than 4 stacks, only 4 stacks will spread.
The maximum amount of valid targets is 4: If 4 stacks are to be spread and 4 targets are in range, each target receives 1 stack; if 4 stacks are to be spread and 3 targets are in range, 1 target receives 2 stacks while the other 2 targets receive 1 stack each, etc.
WF
ripe obsidian
try it in psykarium
I am quoting Kuli, who, like me, reads the code.
Don't say I'm wrong on this or I will throw source code at you
cosmic cobalt
yeah and idk how you don't see how wildfire is doo doo
ripe obsidian
Because of how Soulblaze's damage curve works
radiant frigate
yeah and idk how you don't see how wildfire is doo doo
not what we're disagreeing on but ok
the 1 stack it gives is not what makes it
radiant frigate
what it does more specifically is that it accelerates your way to lethal stack count
mighty fractal
Yeah Soulblaze scales exponentially
cosmic cobalt
Yeah Soulblaze scales exponentially
that why i was saying that wildfire suck
mighty fractal
I think all sources of burn do
cosmic cobalt
perilous is also only on specials/elites
that literally free
ripe obsidian
A: never get WF without PC. It's not mutually exclusive. B: WF is all enemy types, not just elites and specials
cosmic cobalt
youre not running out of elites to kill in havoc
wispy bay
Combustion is better until you meet a strong mix horde. If you can't kill the armoured mobs, it is frankly useless.
mighty fractal
Yeah at most, Wildfire will help you reach the 'good' curve in the soulblaze scaling sooner
mighty fractal
Combustion is better until you meet a strong mix horde. If you can't kill the ar...
That's why you poke a few enemies in the head with your dueling sword/knife and proc rending
cosmic cobalt
you don't use purge staff for armored killing, it just soften them up for your teammate
wispy bay
Wild fire works on anything, killing trash mob still helps you build stacks.
cosmic cobalt
plus you alway have m1 to cc them
ripe obsidian
Wildfire means you get to a lethal amount of Soulblaze stacks faster, which means hordes get cleared like 1-2 seconds faster. It's meaningful.
It's a good talent. Not as good as some, but hardly bad
It's just harder to measure so people tend to dislike it
cosmic cobalt
I mean this is purge staff we talking about we literally kill horde in millisecond
mighty fractal
I guess the question is, could the single point be better spent elsewhere on your average purg or blaze trauma build
cosmic cobalt
I mean yes?
mighty fractal
(the answer is probably yes)
ripe obsidian
No
wispy bay
If we play Damnation, it doesn't matter really.
cosmic cobalt
that why i was saying it bad for the talent
purge + perilous + kf already handle horde + elites
cosmic cobalt
If we play Damnation, it doesn't matter really.
we're not talking about damnation lmao
mighty fractal
Assume Havoc when it comes to meta discussion imo
It's what all future weapons are likely going to be balanced around, especially because a lot of the playtesters play high havoc
See: Arbites weapons
cosmic cobalt
im gonna start the game up and just gonna ask yall what worth dropping for wildfire lmao
(spoiler: nothing)
ripe obsidian
What is your build?
Because I'm likely gonna say Quietude or Warp Battery
WF also has extra value on Shriek builds, since Shriek has 2x the range of purg
And WF will have spread to things far away
Also I just dislike Quietude
cosmic cobalt
both are h40
curios are stam tough x2
2 gunpsyker
tell me a single talent worth dropping to pick wildfire lmao
mighty fractal
That last point goes toward Quietude, Empathic/One with the Warp, Warp Battery or the little toughness node dangling from Perfect Timing in my purg build
radiant frigate
battle meditation kinda worthless
cosmic cobalt
it ass in auric but help with uptime in havoc
get red peril then gg damage buff
only run it on shield because you want perio on shriek
also reason why my staff isn't maxed
ideally lower warp res is better
radiant frigate
scrier smite is certainly a pick
ripe obsidian
Quietude to Soulstealer, Warp Battery to Wildfire
zealous wing
with bb it CAN be used. smite is just...
radiant frigate
smite is for when you want to pause the game
cosmic cobalt
smite is for when you want to pause the game
lmao true
zealous wing
what i wanna know is, is this your first psyker?
cosmic cobalt
Quietude to Soulstealer, Warp Battery to Wildfire
soulstealer is ass considering you have mettle
zealous wing
lmao
ripe obsidian
I have been testing Warp Battery vs Wildfire in my builds. WF performs slightly better for me in every metric except ranged damage and Shrieks per minute, both of which are barely higher with Warp battery
zealous wing
its just
cosmic cobalt
you're critting all the time anyway
ripe obsidian
soulstealer is ass considering you have mettle
Yeah, not taking this bait.
radiant frigate
what if it isn't bait huh? what if it's just my pure, unfiltered, dogshit opinion? what then?
cosmic cobalt
I have been testing Warp Battery vs Wildfire in my builds. WF performs slightly ...
also i do have warp battery in the build
look again
ripe obsidian
If you think Soulstealer is bad on the staff that gets 75% of its kills to Soulblaze, you're not thinking clearly.
ripe obsidian
also i do have warp battery in the build
Yes. And I said to replace it.
marble crater
what if it isn't bait huh? what if it's just my pure, unfiltered, dogshit opinio...
Then you are not the Kat I thought you were
cosmic cobalt
If you think Soulstealer is bad on the staff that gets 75% of its kills to Soulb...
soulstealer just overkill when running purg staff
which crit constantly plus you have to pick it for perfect timing
ripe obsidian
Strong disagree. Soulstealer gives insane value compared with Quietude.
I take Mettle and Soulstealer.
radiant frigate
purg generates so little peril you barely get anything out of quietude
ripe obsidian
I like Mettle. Quietude is not good
cosmic cobalt
you quell so fast with max quell speed anyway
ripe obsidian
If you're quelling that much, you're hurting yourself
cosmic cobalt
plus have to take it for perilous
it take literally a single button press bruh
then back to m2ing
ripe obsidian
Quelling 1 tick is like 2 toughness gen.
cosmic cobalt
which again proc mettle
cosmic cobalt
again im lazy and not getting another just for shriek build
zealous wing
not too lazy to not argue with experts
ripe obsidian
Also, Soulstealer means all that warpfire you're spreading is giving toughness gen when quelling.
More gen
radiant frigate
Then you are not the Kat I thought you were
good thing that it is bait then
marble crater
good thing that it is bait then
Good, I always knew you are a master baiter
cosmic cobalt
😭
cunning panther
purg generates so little peril you barely get anything out of quietude
I think it depends on the staff and build, a low warp res staff with shriek can get pretty good value out of quietude
I still wouldn't just not take soulstealer tho
zealous wing
overkill is better than underkill
ripe obsidian
I think it depends on the staff and build, a low warp res staff with shriek can ...
A Shriek will give you like 20 toughness. It's so minimal
radiant frigate
I think it depends on the staff and build, a low warp res staff with shriek can ...
i am not saying quietude is bad but i am saying soulstealer is REALLY GOOD
ripe obsidian
1 Shriek w/ quietude is worth less than 4 basic enemy kills with soulstealer
ripe obsidian
i am not saying quietude is bad but i am saying soulstealer is REALLY GOOD
I am. >:(
cunning panther
A Shriek will give you like 20 toughness. It's so minimal
When you're sitting at like below 100 toughness at all times in h40 20 is like
Def better than 0
And if density is high you're shrieking a lot
ripe obsidian
Again, I play almost exclusively H40. I know these things.
cunning panther
Especially with psy aura and warp siphon
radiant frigate
I am. >:(
i like to run quietude because it is an extra 5% toughness on melee kill coupled with bcob
but i also do not play havoc
don't find it fun
ripe obsidian
Quietude is much better on right side builds
cunning panther
I pretty much only play havoc so idk how this really works for auric density
ripe obsidian
I strongly dislike it on left side builds
radiant frigate
das fair
marble crater
I like quietude because it can give me toughness without needing to kill or hit enemies, if I should ever be in that situation, which happens maybe once every 20 games. But I need to be prepared 
radiant frigate
I like quietude because it can give me toughness without needing to kill or hit ...
when the team is dead and you cannot poke your head out of cover
cunning panther
But like I've got a what 5% warp res staff, it builds peril well fast enough to get use out quietude
radiant frigate
channel the warp to generate toughness from nothing
marble crater
Indeed
radiant frigate
i would not go without quietude unless i have bubble
cunning panther
But yeah saying soulstealer isn't good is crazy
ripe obsidian
when the team is dead and you cannot poke your head out of cover
Then I shriek and kill enemies for soulstealer. >:(
marble crater
Shriek is on cooldown, now what
radiant frigate
Then I shriek and kill enemies for soulstealer. >:(
no can do, already shrieking irl in that scenario
radiant frigate
see, i would just start shooting back
YOU SHOULD BE RUNNING, CRETINS
zealous wing
:)
ripe obsidian
But like I've got a what 5% warp res staff, it builds peril well fast enough to ...
Tbh I think warp res that low is not ideal, but that's preference more than anything. Even still, it's like 1-2 ticks of quell per M2, which equates to maybe 5-10 toughness gen every few seconds. If I had extra points to spend, maybe.
ripe obsidian
no can do, already shrieking irl in that scenario
Understood, carry on. Vent your irl peril
cosmic cobalt
ok better?
cunning panther
Yeah my preference is low wr for sure
ripe obsidian
ok better?
Swap Vampire for In Fire Reborn and Warp Battery for Wildfire
At the very least do that first thing
Vampire is only coherency
IFR is all enemies anywhere
cunning panther
Tbh I think warp res that low is not ideal, but that's preference more than anyt...
Yeah it's more just extra cushion
cosmic cobalt
isn't in fire reborn require enemy die of soulblaze instead of any warp damage
ripe obsidian
Affected by any soulblaze on death
marble crater
Classic obese fish tooltips
cunning panther
I just like low warp res also cause it makes it really easy to keep my vents at 80%+
ripe obsidian
Vampire is enemies killed in coherency. IFR is any enemy at any range that had fire on it when it died from any source
cunning panther
In pretty much any setting
ripe obsidian
I just like low warp res also cause it makes it really easy to keep my vents at ...
I have a 60% WR staff for my Shriek build and still have like 80% peril for 40% of the game, per the buff monitor mod
cosmic cobalt
vampire work by teammate killing anything while in coherency with you iirc?
that why i pick it over the other one
cunning panther
I used to have a 60% and then I felt a 30% and it went downhill from there
zealous wing
yeah but actually being IN coherency is uncommon if things get too dicey
ripe obsidian
It is all enemies who are on fire
Not enemies who die to fire
Enemies who are on fire when they die
cosmic cobalt
yeah but actually being IN coherency is uncommon if things get too dicey
I mean it havoc
zealous wing
yeah youre gonna have people in different areas of a room sometimes. you want EVERYTHING on fire anyway
if the fire spreads to what they're killing, youll get the proc
ripe obsidian
So the poxwalker 30m away who has fire from Shriek and dies to a barrel will still give a 10% chance
That's another reason I take wildfire
It goes so well with IFR.
Per my recorded games, Wildfire results in 4 WS stacks for like 35% of the game, and Warp Battery w/o Wildfire is 4+ stacks for like 25% of the game
I don't have access to my spreadsheet right now
ripe obsidian
I used to have a 60% and then I felt a 30% and it went downhill from there
My lowest is like 21% right now. I gamble whenever I hit 20m-ish dockets
cunning panther
Yeah my lowest is definitely the 5 lol
zealous wing
would 0% wr be like finding gold to long term players? because i feel like you've all gone insane
cunning panther
Maybe one day I can role a 0
ripe obsidian
For my playstyle, 60% WR has been most effective. I might try lower again at some point, but eh
ripe obsidian
Maybe one day I can role a 0
Would need to buy it maxed from Melk
ripe obsidian
I mean, sure, but you can't level it up
ripe obsidian
I've rolled 0% before, but the other stats were too low
Had to level it. Usually end up in the 20s
Happens every 1m dockets spent or so
cunning panther
I just secondary dumped quell speed
Since you shriek so much
It's not very noticeable
ripe obsidian
I think it's playstyle again. I really notice lower quell speed and warp res.
cunning panther
Think my staffs like 75% damage with 5% wr and 40% quell, the other two are just 80%
cosmic cobalt
would 0% wr be like finding gold to long term players? because i feel like you'v...
I don't think 0% is possible
cunning panther
I think it's playstyle again. I really notice lower quell speed and warp res.
Yeah naturally
ripe obsidian
It is, if you buy from Melk. Super rare. But possible.
Lowest I have seen with 80 in all other stats is 8%
ripe obsidian
Warp Rider, Warp Nexus, OwtW...
zealous wing
some random in a lobby invited me to auric mael wish me luck
ripe obsidian
Good luck
cunning panther
Yeah naturally
Stuffs just dying so fast that I'm shrieking multiple times a horde, so I don't really notice the quell difference
Since I not manually quelling almost ever in high density situations
ripe obsidian
Some hordes I shriek like 6 times a minute. Others, I am bereft of elite kills
cosmic cobalt
you naturally alway take solidity so that probably the reason
cosmic cobalt
80 quell + solidity a single quell tick is like 10%
ripe obsidian
Every few seconds
Base CD with 4 stacks of WS and 3x CDR curios is like 17 seconds, I think, then you shave off... like 1.2 seconds per elite kill from PA? So yeah, when I get 25x shotgunners killed in 2 seconds I can shriek constantly. But the best I can expect regularly is like 6 a minute
My average across a game is usually 3 per minute, but there's too much variation in pacing for that metric to be useful.
cunning panther
It's usually those scab faction games for me
The density on the maulers and ragers and the shotgunners just goes crazy sometimes
ripe obsidian
Aye
cunning panther
Even just heavy gunners
ripe obsidian
I have a handful of screenshots of 20x or higher rager/mauler/shotgunner kills
It's a good dopamine hit
cunning panther
I have this clip from when I did a civi duo and there was just this point where I fell into a horde of armour and it was just pages and pages of refreshed kill feed
lol
cunning panther
Yeah I thought about getting that and then I was too lazy
ripe obsidian
During the fart armor event, I played a lot of Arby, and was very often the last man standing in pub Aurics. My kill feed went wild
ripe obsidian
Especially when you have abandoned your whole team to die so you can steal all the glory. >:)
ripe obsidian
Oh no
ripe obsidian
ripe obsidian
BK?
zealous wing
bubbleknight
wraith sphinx
burger king
ripe obsidian
Ahhhhhhhhh
cosmic cobalt
they were a smyker
average auric psyker
ripe obsidian
Burger Knight
Question: what if Psyker could mind control human-sized non-boss enemies? A limited number. But as a blitz or combat ability or something. Or just frenzy them to attack their allies. Like, replace the crappy Shriek augment with a frenzy duration based on peril.
0.5 seconds of frenzy per 10% peril when cast?
zealous wing
average auric psyker
actually no, average WANNABE auric player... they keep dying first
they are relying so heavily on smite
then they quell and get dogpiled
marble crater
Question: what if Psyker could mind control human-sized non-boss enemies? A limi...
Would they be immune to the damage of the team? And what happens to them after the time runs out?
zealous wing
i think they were hoping i'd carry them or something
zealous wing
Would they be immune to the damage of the team? And what happens to them after t...
i would say no, and after the timer they go back to normal AI
makes it easier to kill, while its killing the shit in your way
marble crater
Sounds like they would just die after you frenzy them then
zealous wing
well techncially yes
ripe obsidian
Would they be immune to the damage of the team? And what happens to them after t...
Not immune, no. Fully damageable.
And after the timer, I imagine they go back to normal
Just during that time, they picture all creatures as enemies.
solid pond
would it "frenzy" everything hit by shriek?
marble crater
Do enemies consider them enemies?
ripe obsidian
Sounds like they would just die after you frenzy them then
Yes. The goal of the idea is CC more than anything
solid pond
thats alot of changing the AI of things and pretty often lol
ripe obsidian
would it "frenzy" everything hit by shriek?
That is my idea
ripe obsidian
Do enemies consider them enemies?
I would think not. Only enemies hit by the shriek
zealous wing
it'd just be switching targets tbh
instead of "nearest player" it goes "nearest entity" or something
ripe obsidian
It wouldn't be an AI change. Same behavior, just with wider targeting
ripe obsidian
instead of "nearest player" it goes "nearest entity" or something
Yes, this
zealous wing
which could theoretically still BE a player
so a "dont get too close let them do their thing" thing
ripe obsidian
The idea of the suggestion is more CC than anything. Making Crushers turn on each other would be funny, or panicking a gunner nest
zealous wing
i would take bets
ripe obsidian
which could theoretically still BE a player
Also yes. Players would not suddenly be immune.
solid pond
if you want CC you could just raise the impact of the shriek even more with the node, based on peril, having it be able to push bosses would be pretty funny
ripe obsidian
More stagger isn't interesting, though
To me at least
But knocking over a Pogryn would be funny
solid pond
mind control from yelling at them doesn't really make sense, an augment for brain burst that controls them for a bit but has a cooldown would be cool, or its own seperate thing
ripe obsidian
I like to ponder ways to make the classes, mostly Psyker, more interesting and with a stronger identity.
ripe obsidian
mind control from yelling at them doesn't really make sense, an augment for brai...
I can agree with that. Is why I suggested frenzy instead
The Shriek causing hallucinations of being surrounded by enemies or whatever, so they attack whatever is closest
solid pond
make ragers more angry
ornate hamlet
zealous wing
replace smite with letting us carry grenades
ripe obsidian
I'd also ponder needing 100% peril to frenzy a crusher or something. Like, low peril means you can only frenzy weak enemies
zealous wing
an actual improvement
solid pond
imagine how fucked that would be against patrols of shotgunners, maulers, gunners, ragers
just make them irrelevant
Rager pack would just combust itself
ripe obsidian
replace smite with letting us carry grenades
Replace smite with a black hole thing on a cooldown.
zealous wing
actually, a new assail node that turns them into tiny frags basically
solid pond
I just don't think its high enough investment to reward, and thats comparing it to fire shriek which is an unga bunga apply soulblaze to half the planet
ripe obsidian
imagine how fucked that would be against patrols of shotgunners, maulers, gunner...
I think gunners and shotgunners would panic and try to reposition due to their AI, so they wouldn't DPS each other too much. Melee elites would be more challenging to balance
upper sun
solid pond
actually, a new assail node that turns them into tiny frags basically
makes them shatter on impact, less penetration but shreds weaker things behind it
zealous wing
goober
ripe obsidian
actually, a new assail node that turns them into tiny frags basically
Remove auto-targeting but turn them into explosive projectiles? Hit the first enemy, then shatter in a cone?
solid pond
makes them shatter on impact, less penetration but shreds weaker things behind i...
hell, that could even be a 3rd node that blocks the use of them penetrating more targets
marble crater
Noob
ripe obsidian
I just don't think its high enough investment to reward, and thats comparing it ...
It is fair. I'd be open to the augment only affecting trash mobs, like poxwalkers and bruisers and such. Make them turn on the elites for a few seconds to bog them down
Frenzy is a very strong effect.
My ideas for replacing Smite are largely based around Cassia's forced movement abilities in Rogue Trader. Well, the Black Hole one is based on the vortex grenade in Boltgun, but
zealous wing
this line made me laugh and im not sure why. felt very... unusually warm
solid pond
a whole extra subtree with ability style thing, like VT2 DLC classes for Psyker where they create fake guardsmen or something like sefoni can
necromancer sienna but darktide
ripe obsidian
I would enjoy a control/support Psyker tree. Problem is balancing it to be as effective as just killing enemies
Right now, the best way to support a team is to kill enemies before they hurt you
solid pond
game kinda does need some sort of readjustment
its turning/turned into warframe where CC isn't as useful because why CC thing when you could make it dead
arbites just happens to abuse both
ripe obsidian
Yeah. I feel that
solid pond
CC the thing so it dies even harder
ripe obsidian
Hence thinking about powerful forms of support abilities. In my mind, a frenzy shriek would be mutually exclusive with Creeping Flames.
And the black hole or whatever blitz would do little to no damage, but force movement
solid pond
trauma staff targetting style lol
ripe obsidian
Force enemies out of cover, pull them in a bunch toward your melee folks, whatever
LMB to pull enemies to a point, RMB to make them run from a point
solid pond
It'd be cool to pull things out of cover or off ledges so they're easier to shoot
shriek but instead of pushing them
it pulls them
meat pile on order
ripe obsidian
I think that has high utility, albeit a higher skill floor. Not a bad thing
But I can picture a lot of novice Psykers accidentally pulling maulers onto themselves
solid pond
that'd be super strong with trauma and inferno, and it kinda fits right in
solid pond
But I can picture a lot of novice Psykers accidentally pulling maulers onto them...
good
ripe obsidian
I'd also like if Psyker could get some better team buffs
On par with Nuncio or something
I would really love to have middle path psyker be all about battlefield control and team buffs
solid pond
marble crater
We already have bubble smite
marble crater
Turning the game off is not boring 
ripe obsidian
Hence my idea for replacing Smite being forced movement of some kind
marble crater
Turn smite into a fear?
ripe obsidian
It doesn't lock you in place for the duration, doesn't turn off the game entirely, and allows for clever plays
ripe obsidian
Turn smite into a fear?
LMB to draw enemies to a point, RMB to fear them from a point
Some balancing would need to be done to determine the strength of the forced movement and how it interacts with action priority
marble crater
Command from BG3
ripe obsidian
Command, yeah. I was thinking Point of Interest and whatever the fear is from Cassia in Rogue Trader
marble crater
(I have never used Command yet)
ripe obsidian
Probably no forcing enemies off ledges or into hazards. Maybe an initial stagger that could, to keep it in line with Smite's small throw
Not sure how much peril gen, cooldown, or such
Augments could do stuff like adding a small DoT, stunning enemies for a small period of time when they reach the point, or maybe causing the first 3 enemies to reach the point to attack each other. I don't know. It would require testing and balancing
But it has a precedent in other 40k media and would likely be a better skill expression than Smite without being another race to the top of the damage chart
Or an augment causing affected enemies to take more damage or deal less damage, I guess.
I do think each class could do with a stronger class identity overall.
marble crater
The details are for the playtesters to figure out
ripe obsidian
I want to be a playtester. And developer. >:(
Fatshark pls. Give me influence and power. I won't abuse it.
Probably. Maybe. Not much.
marble crater
Very Napoleon of you
wind wind
If anyone wanna join me for my havoc grind, survey the Strike teams
ripe obsidian
If anyone wanna join me for my havoc grind, survey the Strike teams
Ask again in 2 days. I am not at home.
ripe obsidian
Very Napoleon of you
I do my best.
ripe obsidian
If anyone wanna join me for my havoc grind, survey the Strike teams
What havoc level are you now?
wind wind
What havoc level are you now?
20
No one has joined me so far so imma play a few auric maelstroms.
As a way to kill time
wind wind
I dunno what Rank i'll be in two days
ripe obsidian
We shall see. I just won't have access to my PC for at least... 32 hours
wraith sphinx
nevermind I will be delayed by an unknown amount of time 💀
zealous wing
im thinking about it
im at that weird stage of tired where anything can happen tho
i also dont mic
but if you keep hurting for one more perhaps
wind wind
Can you come on now? No mic needed
potent echo
update?
wraith sphinx
Can you come on now? No mic needed
unfortunately not, lunch will be ready soon
potent echo
deft stump
i also dont mic
So, are you saying you need to be annoyed for it?
wind wind
im thinking about it
Striketeam 5,
deft stump
Need to learn to barrel you from the gang then.
wraith sphinx
https://youtu.be/mBM0_acEQQs
yeah, looks like new mortis trial map and a new enemy type
looking forward to it 
marble crater
@deft stumpdoes using the controller feel less snappy for you the last few days?
wraith sphinx
my darktide wishlist also includes seeing heavy bolter scabs
deft stump
Oh, @marble crater is on. Sut, how to barrel?
wraith sphinx
but not as a regular enemy, that'd be stupid, but rather for some mission-specific sequences
deft stump
<@229302123391614976>does using the controller feel less snappy for you the last...
And I haven't played since Monday. Was fine then.
marble crater
Oh, <@417971646356389900> is on. Sut, how to barrel?
deft stump
Been working on smut and busy with GF for most parts.
deft stump
She's ace. I told you.
wraith sphinx
another succesful job, 47
tulip kettle
https://tenor.com/view/challenging-me-pc-principal-pc-delta-fraternity-south-park-s19e8-gif-20622250
marble crater
Yes, let's see who can barrel Potato more often
dense ledge
hey all, been trying to learn how to be better at the Psyker class. Was doing fine on Zealot at around H29.......and I'm seeing psykers using flame staff and bubble/vent shriek. Those guys are hitting 400k to 600k damage sometimes, I'm averaging around 300k mostly and wonder what am i not doing right or lacking in as a psyker
marble crater
Probably just lacking experience?
jovial juniper
Are you shrieking at 86% peril?
dense ledge
Are you shrieking at 86% peril?
yes been trying to shriek at around 80-ish, as much as i can monitor while the madness is going on around me hahahaha
marble crater
Can't really tell you what you are doing "wrong" without a video
dense ledge
Can't really tell you what you are doing "wrong" without a video <:KEKW_ogryn:10...
totally understand. Perhaps more of what most flame psykers are doing most of the time? For me I'm mostly charging and torching everything around me, shrieking at 80+% peril and just staying alive
brain burst on ranged elites etc if there's some breathing space, esp after shrieking
marble crater
Below 85% Shriek is 5 stacks, above is 6 stacks, so first important thing is not shrieking below 85% (unless you really, really have to)
dense ledge
Below 85% Shriek is 5 stacks, above is 6 stacks, so first important thing is not...
gotcha, imma note that down!
marble crater
Maybe send your build, including weapons, maybe there is something to improve
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor
You can make one there and send the link here
dense ledge
will do that!
ripe obsidian
woeful sigil
I must admit my favorite psyker build so far has been just maxxing toughness
ripe obsidian
The rainbow thing is not edited in.
marble crater
Nice picture
wraith sphinx
I must admit my favorite psyker build so far has been just maxxing toughness
it's definitely my preferred way to play too
ripe obsidian
Nice picture
Thank you
wraith sphinx
although there are things I prefer to get over toughness nodes, I like to have triple toughnes curios
woeful sigil
it's definitely my preferred way to play too
I got 60 toughness in my back pocket in the form of 3 empowered psionics assail
that + toughness on warp kill
kept both toughnes regen on peril raise/lower
every time I try to max damage as psyker I get owned
I feel like psyker tanking is the way
zealous wing
I got 60 toughness in my back pocket in the form of 3 empowered psionics assail
and they called me crazy
woeful sigil
mind you theres a havoc 40 player in here who swears by a brain burst build
I learned that in order to make assail build good, you need to have warp damage buff on regular weapon kill perk
- max peril + empowered psionics
then I send it into guys who I hit with brittleness fire staff
if you stack them just right it feels like wraithverge from hexen
dense ledge
Maybe send your build, including weapons, maybe there is something to improve
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9fe0474c-5738-4063-8112-1bd7b0e6228c/shriek
I'm also trying out the combat blade just to learn apart from DS....in case it's gonna get nerf'ed
marble crater
Build looks fine, I would just change Warp Battery to Wildfire and Kinetic Resonance to Kinetic Flayer, Essence Harvest for Crit Chance node and Quietude for Kinetic Deflection (last one optional)
dense ledge
Build looks fine, I would just change Warp Battery to Wildfire and Kinetic Reson...
thanks so much, I'm gonna do that right now and have a go at it!
urban flint
totally understand. Perhaps more of what most flame psykers are doing most of th...
This is what I’m torn betweeen..I used to play quite a bit like a year ago but iv forgotten just about everything as life picked up- decided to play again and I find my self torn between pyro staff with brain burst / smite or electric staff with brain burst / smite.. i remember brain burst doing quite a bit of damage and being able to one pop charging elites (I can’t remember what the enemy is called..charging screaming one who grabs you and slams) but now it takes 2-3 bursts to pop em which takes some time to charge up .. iv been watching “pro” game play and havnt seen pyro staff really at all and its just been pyskers using souly the electric staffs left click with smite for “get away” on bombing/ flame thrower enemies .. I also have a huge interest in the blaze great sword as the slash is super cool ngl lmao.. I know the parry mechanic is really good for higher level play but I can’t get over that slash.. any advice / takes on what is best would be appreciated! (I don’t have much interest in assail or gun pysker builds)
marble crater
This is what I’m torn betweeen..I used to play quite a bit like a year ago but i...
Elektro staff is more popular outside of Havoc, maybe you watched videos there.
Inferno and Voidblast with soulblaze blessing are better for Havoc because the huge amount of enemies you need to kill, which is easy when you can target all/most of them and let the soulblaze ticks kill them
urban flint
Elektro staff is more popular outside of Havoc, maybe you watched videos there.
...
That’s the one I mainly saw
ripe obsidian
mind you theres a havoc 40 player in here who swears by a brain burst build
@verbal thistle
marble crater
https://youtu.be/g0sp7VfDA5E?si=fFubEYqETgJkRgCJ
Yeah that doesn't work anymore, they nerfed quell cancel
So you can't fire the staff like that anymore with macros
dense ledge
Build looks fine, I would just change Warp Battery to Wildfire and Kinetic Reson...
i might keep quietude, unless your advice is there's rarely much time to do brain burst? i'm torn between using BB or not, most of the time i use it is after a shriek where the speed and peril advantage is there
urban flint
Yeah that doesn't work anymore, they nerfed quell cancel
Me when I barley know what that is 😭😭😭
woeful sigil
Me when I barley know what that is 😭😭😭
you would tap quell after a shot, and it resets your fire rate
I got it to kind of work with a lightly charged shot of voidstrike
marble crater
Think of animation cancel, to get the idea
woeful sigil
wait you just gave me an idea
up to 50% weapon swap speed
could weapon swapping do the same thing
if you max it
dense ledge
@marble crater sorry i meant kinetic flayer
marble crater
i might keep quietude, unless your advice is there's rarely much time to do brai...
Your job as psyker is not really to brain burst, you lose a lot of damage when you are not using the inferno staff. You pick BB to get Kinetic Flayer and then ideally never use BB at all
urban flint
Think of animation cancel, to get the idea
Ah so .. pyro staff.. and brain burst or smite?.. I’m not really sure what’s changed or what the best builds are now-
woeful sigil
wait whats the slowest firing weapon psyker gets
dense ledge
Your job as psyker is not really to brain burst, you lose a lot of damage when y...
gotcha, makes sense now
marble crater
Inferno and smite is redundant, so brain burst with inferno
urban flint
Inferno and smite is redundant, so brain burst with inferno
Good point..however dosnt smite have more range ? I remember infernos range lacking
dense ledge
@marble crater thanks so much again for the advice, im gonna go give this build adjustment a few runs
marble crater
Good luck 
dense ledge
This is what I’m torn betweeen..I used to play quite a bit like a year ago but i...
same here, been very keen in the blaze great sword.....used it while i was leveling my psyker, but wasn't confident using it on auric and above
marble crater
Good point..however dosnt smite have more range ? I remember infernos range lack...
In the time you smite the enemies you can kill them two times over with inferno, while also staggering everything that is not a crusher