psyker-class

[earnest cobalt]

I already use fgs and ek

[tulip kettle]

but it would be zarona revolver really

[earnest cobalt]

Hm

[tulip kettle]

i mean if you think recon las is good for crushers you are actually tripping balls

same with laspistol

[prime elk]

most guns are meant for single target damage lmfao

[earnest cobalt]

He meant single target

[prime elk]

what the fuck are you smoking

[earnest cobalt]

I'm fine with it

[prime elk]

crushers aren't the only high priority single target out there

[tulip kettle]

i mean they kind of are

and bulwarks

[prime elk]

literally all the specialists, bulwarks, ragers, reapers, bosses

[tulip kettle]

everything else is butter

[prime elk]

those are all things that guns excel at wrecking

[tulip kettle]

and if you wanna kill bosses then yeah sure laspistol and recon las are great

vraks is better

[prime elk]

sure

[zealous wing]

i found vraks to be annoying to use though personally

[tulip kettle]

yeah vrks is doodoo

except for killing bosses

[prime elk]

vraks is a dps beast

[zealous wing]

cant aim for shit

[tulip kettle]

because the recoil is a joke

[prime elk]

the recoil isn't even that bad

[tulip kettle]

and it sucks at range

[prime elk]

you just pull down

it's predictable as fuck

most of the DT guns are fairly controllable

[tulip kettle]

at least lasguns have weird range mechanics that make them better at mid distance

[prime elk]

reverse damage dropoff? one of the many things that make them ass?

[tulip kettle]

i mean yes, and no

yes thats what i mean, no it doesnt make them ass

[earnest cobalt]

Lasguns have damage dropoff at longer ranges?

[tulip kettle]

they work opposite other guns

all guns have dmg drop off as you get further

[earnest cobalt]

Goddamn

[tulip kettle]

lasguns work on a curve where they have most dmg at mid distance

[earnest cobalt]

Oh

[prime elk]

it's not at mid distance

[tulip kettle]

they do less dmg right up close

[prime elk]

it's at longer distances

it's inverted damage falloff

[earnest cobalt]

Low at close range and long and but peak at mid like a thing?

[tulip kettle]

its not that it drops off

you just lose accuracy at range so less shots hit

[prime elk]

more like mid at close range, and mid at long range, and mid at everything in between

[tulip kettle]

which is an effective dps decrease

[prime elk]

ilas has not aged well

[tulip kettle]

so yes, they do most dmg at mid distance.

[earnest cobalt]

Isnt that same dmg at every range?

[prime elk]

because ilas in general is shit

[tulip kettle]

siro is just being an ass

[earnest cobalt]

Ilas? Infantry lasgun?

[prime elk]

yes

[tulip kettle]

yes.

[prime elk]

there's a reason why they are nowhere near meta rn

[tulip kettle]

and its not shit

[earnest cobalt]

I'm truly saddened by this discovery

[tulip kettle]

its great

[prime elk]

in fact the very opposite of meta

[tulip kettle]

on gunker specifically

[earnest cobalt]

As a mark 2b enjoyer

[prime elk]

mk 2b is the least worst ilas

[tulip kettle]

because of all the crit + finesse dmg stacking you do

[long saddle]

i like braced autogun

[earnest cobalt]

Dude how you like that gun

[tulip kettle]

brauto's are growing on me

but still meh

[prime elk]

braced is good

[tulip kettle]

they dont do what i want them to do

[prime elk]

but has barely any synergies with psyker

[tulip kettle]

recon las lets you beam blobs of gunners like nobodies business

[earnest cobalt]

Respect for opinion but I find bracing for that weapon to be absolute garbage

Its just outright annoying

[tulip kettle]

they are good on zealot

not so good on psyker

[long saddle]

I just aim center mass

[tulip kettle]

on psyker you want guns that hit the head

[earnest cobalt]

Fair

[tulip kettle]

due to the above finesse stuff

[prime elk]

they're ok on vet, but don't do well on psyker

[earnest cobalt]

İlaf mark2b is my love for vet

[tulip kettle]

but if you need a gun that lets you move fast while making all the gunners cower while you get close

[earnest cobalt]

Never dropped it except the bolter

[tulip kettle]

brauto's are good for it

[earnest cobalt]

Gotta try it sometime

Nothing feels better than supressing those bitches

[tulip kettle]

i would posit: killing them feels better

hence recon

[earnest cobalt]

I like watching them flee better

Killing kills the fun

[tulip kettle]

dont like breaking your toys

[dusk timber]

i hope the ilas gets buffed at some point

[tulip kettle]

i respect it

[prime elk]

prob with the vet rework in 2035

[dusk timber]

fatshark really fumbled them

[earnest cobalt]

Why tho? I feel like it is valid in its current state?

[tulip kettle]

its so meh

[dusk timber]

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

its like

the textbook definition of mid

[prime elk]

yeah

[dusk timber]

in this game at least

[tulip kettle]

it was cool back when vets could be invisible to enemies forever while shooting

[dusk timber]

also doesnt feel very good to use

[strong gulch]

Illisi needs a buff.

It's whole thing is horde clear is it's mid at best for that.

[dusk timber]

the aim bounce is so fucking dogshit

[prime elk]

poor mobility, middling damage in the best of scenarios, a lot of them suffer from shit breakpoints, terrible fucking recoil for some reason

[tulip kettle]

we're talking infantry las tato

but yes illisi needs love

[dusk timber]

not to mention the bolter mobility and deceptively low ammo count

[strong gulch]

I misread thanks.

[tulip kettle]

just give it sunder

or power cycler

and makbe it can be better

[earnest cobalt]

Still feels like a guard fitting weapon, I like that its a decent rifle, goes with the vet's theme

[dusk timber]

its right below decent

[tulip kettle]

it was cool when you could just ex stance and draw 0 aggro and be the dedicated shooter killer

[earnest cobalt]

Well, dont know about havoc, until auric, I found it decent

[dusk timber]

which is a huge shame for such an iconic weapon

[tulip kettle]

now you cant do that

[earnest cobalt]

[tulip kettle]

you try to shoot and some poxwalker cleaves your spine

[earnest cobalt]

Some vet problems

[dusk timber]

why

the fuck

does the ilas

have the same fucking mobility stats

as the bolter

[tulip kettle]

because FS said "no and fuck you"

[earnest cobalt]

Truly a why moment

[tulip kettle]

also note, its worse

worse than a bolter

cringe

[earnest cobalt]

Ilas needs love

[dusk timber]

tbh part of the reason is that there is very little variation in mobility stats for guns from what ive seen

[tulip kettle]

teehee

recon las go zoom

laspistol go zooooom

[dusk timber]

it feels like they all fall into one of two categories

its either "bolter" or "laspistol"

[earnest cobalt]

Doesnt the autoguns usually have good mobility?

[dusk timber]

cant remember anything that truly feels like its in between them

[zinc phoenix]

Why is that such a thing

[tulip kettle]

because they added the stupid mechanic where stuff literally spawns behind you

[zinc phoenix]

When I used the helbore I would shoot once and then just reflexively turn to block before the next shot 😂

It’s honestly downright comical how frequent they spawn ass tap walkers

[tulip kettle]

way back when stuff had to actually SPAWN in a spawn location and then run into position through a spawn door

now stuff can spawn anywhere where nobody is looking

[earnest cobalt]

Why did fatshark add something like this tho?

[zinc phoenix]

I mean idk that that’s true, I think they just increased the rate

[tulip kettle]

no it is true

you can see it happen when you are dead

[zinc phoenix]

I remember ass tap walkers very early

[tulip kettle]

because you are not counted for visibility on spawning

[zinc phoenix]

No that I know, but I’m pretty sure ass tap spawns happened a long time ago too

[tulip kettle]

maybe, idk

[zealous wing]

i once had a rager spawn right in front of my face when walking through a doorway

that was... an experience

[tulip kettle]

AT LEAST they arent teleporting assasins

because fuck good special design right

or blightstormers in literally unreachable locations wiping your team

[zealous wing]

imagine climbing through a window and coming literally face to face with a crusher in a closed room.... couldnt be me

(in a lights out map)

that was also an experience

[tulip kettle]

lights out seems designed to be a horror game crossover

what is the worst map in VT2 that nobody likes to play?

[earnest cobalt]

Just like in the intro cutscene

[tulip kettle]

lets make that on any map

nice one fatshark

[earnest cobalt]

Fleshbags have the sam effect on me

[zinc phoenix]

Doesn’t matter because you’ll only ever see horn of magnus 😂

[tulip kettle]

all i see is grain and empire when not QP tbh

also recently got into playing handmaiden and now every other career feels garbage

[dusk timber]

Pretty sure 2/3 marks fall into one category and the 3rd one falls into the other

Cant remember if its 2 bolters and 1 laspistol or 2 laspistols and 1 bolter though

Imo there should be more distinct "tiers" of mobility on weapons

4 would be a good amount probably

[wispy bay]

Most weapon marks differ with damage pattern or attack pattern.

Very few actually have mobility different.

[dusk timber]

I know the iauto is one of them

As well as the ilas

But my point is that pretty much all of them fall into one of the two categories i mentioned

And i wish there was a bit more variety with mobility on guns

Not really as much for balance reasons as much as just for weapon feel

Cause again

The ilas shouldnt have the same mobility stats as a fucking bolter

But making it be about on par with the laspistol would feel wrong

Which is why i would like there to be more than just these two categories so we could have stuff that is actually in between them

[modest perch]

theyre never fixing the silent unpushable bursters are they

too busy breaking entire keystones to fix some bugs or whatever

[pale prairie]

It’s a feature not a bug……

/s

[restive slate]

I want new variants of Bursters, hell new variants of specials

I want inactive Bursters laying around the corner like a Daemonhost

Chargers that don't grab you but knock you out of position

Static Snipers in unreachable locations

Bombers that lay down mines instead of throwing

[prime elk]

ok, calm down satan

[pale prairie]

snipers already occasionally spawn on unreachable balconies and windows

[modest perch]

that was some of the most profoundly idiotic shit ive ever read

[modest perch]

they redesigned several maps a while back to put snipers in unreachable spots

[zealous wing]

finally

[pale prairie]

What I was saying yes

[wraith sphinx]

Funny enough it's one of the few penances I don't have

[radiant frigate]

i also do not have this

because i am not epic enough not to go down in 15 games and i am also not epic enough to play 15 games of malice

[wraith sphinx]

Sure one could grind it out by playing malice or whatever, but why would you?

yeah exactly hahah

plus I've surpassed 5500 penance points a long time ago and simply do not care

[radiant frigate]

sad to report i only surpassed that with arby traitor

[wraith sphinx]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1383804142887375012/1405106322520805407/4x.avif

tsk tsk

I've gotten like a dozen or so arby penances while I was levelling the class and I cannot be arsed to alter my loadout to get the others

I have the arby noctis top with the cloak, don't care about the rest

5965, damn

[ripe obsidian]

Sure you are

Have faith

[radiant frigate]

play zealot? yeah you're right

[wind wind]

We need to dig a hole. A deep, deep hole

And we need to throw you in it

[radiant frigate]

and then drop a daemonhost in it

[marble crater]

Buzzing buzzing

[dusk timber]

Lightyearing lightyearing

[ripe obsidian]

This is a smol Dutch frog

[marble crater]

[dusk timber]

Honestly quite incredible

[icy breach]

Maybe in the future they will add more content for penances… maybe

[wraith sphinx]

[icy breach]

Got like 6k+… and still some penances to complete (mainly from dogshit trials)

They should expand it content wise

[wraith sphinx]

I 100%ed mortis trials penances shortly after release, fun little powertrip gamemode

[icy breach]

And i don’t mean penances

[icy breach]

Its fun yes just… extremely stale

[wraith sphinx]

yeah it desperately needs more maps

[spice oar]

Apparently update announcement today or tmrw so

Forums post was uploaded just hidden (according to mister Es evidence)

[proper osprey]

Mister E

https://tenor.com/view/sleepy-dog-sleeping-sleeping-dog-dog-sleeping-tiny-eepy-dog-gif-2292331323183720739

[wraith sphinx]

Mister E

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/874125680420470814/1318201690595528734/caption.gif

[buoyant maple]

Kitefin’s last post was 1d ago but their last visible activity was Sep03

So yea

[proper osprey]

We watch her like hawks huh

Geeking for that new update

[wraith sphinx]

we are NOT locked in ❗ ❗

[marble crater]

[wheat shoal]

Fat ahh splinter

[marble crater]

Creature

[pale prairie]

Maus

[marble crater]

[marble crater]

Small vets look so funny when they mag dump into hordes and go down to poxwalkers

[pale prairie]

I actually played with a solid vet yesterday. Played like a pro true survivor title. Had voice of command or whatever. Still went down to 8 pox walkers

[wraith sphinx]

survivalist aura ✅
recon lasgun ✅
never switches to melee ✅
yup it's pub veteran time

[pale prairie]

That class is like punching yourself in the nads

[wraith sphinx]

I wholeheartedly believe the current state of veteran is proof of FS's inability to competently balance classes

[buoyant maple]

They buffed skirmisher 4 times just for it to still be ass 💀

[narrow herald]

Mister yEet

[wraith sphinx]

I hate that talent so much. It sounds so good on paper but in practice it's so shit

[marble crater]

Marksman stance too, this one had it

[wraith sphinx]

And I don't think this will change because fatshark only looks at usage statistics

and what is the most popular class still? veteran

[pale prairie]

Very sad too cause I respect people who want to play regular joe shooter with all the crazy other classes

[wraith sphinx]

that's literally why my first character was a veteran lmao
wanted that joe guardsman vibe

[buoyant maple]

Vet currently is 3x effort for 1/3 impact

[pale prairie]

He HAD SMOKE GRENADES

Was a real badass

[wraith sphinx]

hey smoke nades are cool

[pale prairie]

Exactly

[wraith sphinx]

Really feels like it yeah

I love playing right tree veteran except I can't actually play right tree veteran because that kind of a set up has some problems that make me underperform or even become a burden to the team

[buoyant maple]

What problems

[pale prairie]

Being a vet

[wraith sphinx]

Mostly I feel I am way too squishy compared to how fast I am able to regain toughness, so I path elsewhere to get talents like close order drill, confirmed kill, iron will, TDR nodes, stuff like that

[buoyant maple]

Eh depends on what ur definition of a right side veteran is ig

[wraith sphinx]

smoke grenade, close and kill, infiltrate, optionally weapon specialist

[buoyant maple]

Close and kill is alr
Smoke can use at least 3 buffs
Infiltrate needs help
Weapon specialist is very good

Usually u just take weapon specialist

[pale prairie]

Is part of the vet problem a pathing problem or is it also the talents being meh?

[wraith sphinx]

yeah WS is my fave veteran keystone

[wraith sphinx]

bit of both though I really have an issue with the former

[buoyant maple]

I could write an essay on what vet’s problems are but the question is if u want to read it lol

[jovial juniper]

That essay is also the short version

[pale prairie]

Hahaha I might be interested but I’ll settle for 50rem’s summary

[jovial juniper]

💀

[wraith sphinx]

I believe veteran has way too many tax nodes

it is hard to mix and match stuff because point starvation kicks in almost immediately

[pale prairie]

The ammo regeneration I think should be just an inbuilt passive of the class

[wraith sphinx]

and whatever you pick you will inevitably need to check with people who have played vet much more than you or suffer through trial and error because there are a lot of deceptively bullshit talents that sound cool but are generally a waste of points

[pale prairie]

Seems unfair to punish the ammo centric class with ammo scarcity

[prime elk]

The tree sucks, a lot of the weapons suck, the stamina economy is Great Depression levels of ass

[pale prairie]

Jesus

[prime elk]

That’s vet in a nutshell

[buoyant maple]

That’s only a small part of it

[jovial juniper]

Nothing ever happens 🗣️

[pale prairie]

So it’s guardsman simulator

[dusk timber]

ye the tree is dogshit

[pale prairie]

“What if all the classes were basically ultramarines….except for this veteran. He will be realistically portrayed.”

[jovial juniper]

No

Because guardsmen should have good stamina

[wraith sphinx]

truthnuke

[dusk timber]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-warhammer-40k-grenade-truth-nuke-gif-6248133608324632914

[prime elk]

We aren’t guardsmen. We’re rejects remember?

[pale prairie]

What’s the average number of bars?

[prime elk]

Got kicked out of basic because we couldnt run a mile without breaks

[jovial juniper]

But apparently your good old lasgun that you carried to hell and back is heavy as shit

[pale prairie]

Damn washed out of the fucking guards? That’s bad

[prime elk]

Canonical darktide vet backstory. You can ignore everything in the character creator

[pale prairie]

Hearing all this I am worried about the mental health of Veteran class chat

[jovial juniper]

Vet's base is 2

[wraith sphinx]

I mean, majority of vet players are casuals who don't play anything harder than heresy

[pale prairie]

Holy fuck. And I imagine doesn’t have great regen

[jovial juniper]

Better than sikers at 1

[prime elk]

Honestly the only ones of the classes in good mental health is prob ogryn

[jovial juniper]

Worse than zealot and ogryn (3 and 4 bars respectively)

[dusk timber]

base 2 bars, 1s delay, stamina regen is 1/s

[prime elk]

The delay is the main issue

[dusk timber]

and arbites

[jovial juniper]

Arby's is 3 yeah

[pale prairie]

Arbiter?

[wraith sphinx]

no arbites are not ok

they're reckless and psychotic

they're like constantly high on crack

they think they are literally invincible then ragequit when they get netted

[prime elk]

Well one is just batshit insane. One is depressed. The other has his heads in the clouds.

[dusk timber]

psyker, arbites and zealot also have better stamina regen

[prime elk]

Authoritarian might be the most mentally healthy just because of their ignorance

Truly a grimdark setting

[pale prairie]

Filing is good for the soul

[wraith sphinx]

I especially hate the vet nodes that give stamina regen delay reduction

they are a scam and should just be given to vet by default

[dusk timber]

psyker and arb have 0.5s delay and zealot has both a 0.75s delay and 1.5/s regen

[pale prairie]

Slap in the face

[jovial juniper]

I mean
They have a dog and dog good for mental health

[pale prairie]

Damn that’s crazy that a range centered class doesn’t have really tools to keep enemies at range

[buoyant maple]

Vet has a lot of strong talents and a lot of really bad talents

Vet is the only class with no good non-kill-based toughness gain source

D&H’s gold toughness is too strong for what it is

Tac awareness is too much CDR vs specialists but does nothing vs elite spam

Choosing Survivalist directly costs u 35% damage bonus

Trench fighter is too deep to access easily

Worst stamina management of all classes

Most good flex talent picks are at least 2 points away

Melee is wildly unbalanced because vet’s strongest melee (power sword VI) significantly overshadows almost everything else, and the direct result of this is that the melee spec is almost dedicated to this 1 overtuned weapon and doesn’t improve the rest nearly enough to be on the same level

Marksman’s focus needs a full on rework

And more

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/borzoi-siren-dawg-with-the-light-on-him-sailorzoop-dog-gif-2844905554045249724

[pale prairie]

If it’s such a widely played class I don’t understand why it’s gotten to this point of balance

That’s crazy

[wraith sphinx]

That's exactly it

[prime elk]

Gold shout is fair and balanced in current darktide. I will die on this hill

[wraith sphinx]

FS only cares that it is popular

Remember that all the slop shop veteran items are almost always the most expensive too

[buoyant maple]

Because they added havoc which royally screwed every breakpoint weapon unless u had a talent tree that could turbo charge their damage to match the new havoc health pools

[dusk timber]

wait wdym losing 35% damage by picking survivalist?

[buoyant maple]

And primarily relying on horde mass density just makes psyker 10x better than they were

[buoyant maple]

10% melee damage + agile engagement is standard spec if u don’t take survivalist

And fire team, usually

So more like 40% for melee, 30% for ranged

Avg 35%

[pale prairie]

Makes sense. I feel that the big divide between Ogryn/arbiter and other classes is that their numbers are pumped to balance around havoc

[buoyant maple]

They absolutely are

[wraith sphinx]

Yes because both were added or overhauled post havoc update

[pale prairie]

I wonder if there are better ways to make havoc difficulty outside of health pool fuckery

[buoyant maple]

Before havoc best vet melee was Rashad

Rashad is not competitive enough on vet for havoc rn against power sword

Because it’s not juiced enough

917 carapace per hit is not enough to match a weapon that does 1961 in 1 hit

[pale prairie]

Whoa

[buoyant maple]

Rashad however, is juiced enough on arb

Because arb has a quintillion damage bonus talents

That give it enough damage to be roughly equal to power sword in dps

[prime elk]

Rashad, arbi maul or crusher. Honestly not sure which is stronger on arbi

[buoyant maple]

They’re top 3

[wraith sphinx]

All are good

[prime elk]

Yeah of

[buoyant maple]

I don’t rly care about specific rankings because they’re different

[prime elk]

Course

[prime elk]

True

[buoyant maple]

But all 3 are at the very top

[prime elk]

I’d have a really hard time picking between the three

[jovial juniper]

Like Arby's have more than 3 weapons

[prime elk]

If I had to pick one

[jovial juniper]

[loud girder]

crusher number 1 for me because of how safe it is to use

[pale prairie]

I thought they just had shotgun and dog

[loud girder]

if things arent dead they're flying all overe the place

[jovial juniper]

They have 6 melee

[buoyant maple]

In my opinion, yes
But it’ll incentivize skill too much that people won’t like it

[jovial juniper]

And a bunch of non laser weapons

[dusk timber]

isnt it 7?

[buoyant maple]

He’s doing chainsword slander

[wraith sphinx]

Yeah that's unfortunately correct
Most of the actually interesting limited time event missions required a simple revision in strategy or just an even simpler targeting priority switch and even that is too much, people hate it

[pale prairie]

I need to look up DRG cause I feel they didn’t experience this balance issue with EDD introduction

[jovial juniper]

Technically Taxe slander

[buoyant maple]

EDD doesn’t juice enemy hp

[jovial juniper]

And from those 7 only 4 are good

[pale prairie]

Exactly

[jovial juniper]

4 is too generous still

[buoyant maple]

Haz5+ does juice enemy hp

EDD is also not “hard”

[wraith sphinx]

Yeah its just long

[buoyant maple]

2 people with a vague idea of what they need to do is enough to carry a full team

As long as the other 2 aren’t trolls

[pale prairie]

I mean depends on who you ask

[buoyant maple]

And DRG has significantly more busted builds than DT tbh

[pale prairie]

Fair

But I don’t feel this clear disparity among class effectiveness

And I at least know the devs run EDD

[buoyant maple]

Engineer with Shard VIR effectively means you’ll never need to think about grunts or swarmers the entire time

[loud girder]

drg is balanced around u eating shit by basic grunts if u get caught

while having busted builds

its fun!!!

[buoyant maple]

Not to mention the bs that is NTP autocannon

[wraith sphinx]

Don't forget eating shit by FF

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-you-know-so-much-the-highest-ruthless-s1e24-how-do-you-know-all-this-gif-25241339

[loud girder]

you know what

keep the op darktide builds

and give the game drg's armor (nonexistent)

fk your toughness learn how to dodge buddy!

[pale prairie]

Hey you get like a passive

[jovial juniper]

I don't eat shit by FF

[pale prairie]

Go back to VT2 toughness generation?

[jovial juniper]

I'm the one doing the ff

[pale prairie]

Whoa

[buoyant maple]

DRG is balanced around u having a lot of heal resources

DT kinda doesn’t have that

[loud girder]

never played vt2 but ive seen some streams and they do be eating shit from basic mobs

[jovial juniper]

I will hold the trigger and if you walk into my firing line then it's on you

[pale prairie]

The melee was a lot more finicky

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/deep-rock-galactic-gunner-jumpscare-gif-3680119774706081915

[pale prairie]

What about when I ping enemies behind us and spin around while holding trigger?

[loud girder]

just dont get hit!

[verbal thistle]

Speaking of engi, finally unlocked all the perks for all the weapons on him, what's some good non OC weapons that I should try?

[loud girder]

what does none oc weapon mean

[jovial juniper]

Not my fault you entered my 360° firing line

[loud girder]

they all need OCs

[pale prairie]

Over clocks are kind of the best part

[verbal thistle]

I know

[azure sun]

No overclocks? Any of them, but all are amazing with overclocks

[pale prairie]

Okay

[verbal thistle]

I just don't have most of them

[jovial juniper]

Lok 1

[wraith sphinx]

OCless play id boring

[pale prairie]

Hey satan

[buoyant maple]

Warthog is best primary for OCless just run 12321 and shoot bugs in weakspot + shoot turrets when they shoot at stuff

Breach cutter is best secondary for OCless cuz it genuinely is that strong

[verbal thistle]

I have all of scouts but no engi oc

Only the pump shotgun OC

[loud girder]

breach cutter my beloved

me when i delete trash with 1 button press

[jovial juniper]

Don't worry

It's the Cleaner OC

[azure sun]

Breach Cutter with plasma trail

[jovial juniper]

[wraith sphinx]

Hmm I don't actually know since I only play gunner and scout lmao

[pale prairie]

He said no Ocs

[jovial juniper]

Yeah Lok1

Aim bot

[pale prairie]

My favorite build is engi Lok1 with the VIR laser

[buoyant maple]

Endgame engi is basically 4 routes

RJ250 pgl
Hyperprop pgl
Breach cutter
Shard VIR

Outside of hyperprop you’ll usually spec primary for single target tank killing

[pale prairie]

Thank god for jump boots

[jovial juniper]

Hyperprop my goat

[buoyant maple]

I like lok1 but I don’t like playing it cuz it makes my aim worse

[pale prairie]

I like it purely for the explosion on three locks

[buoyant maple]

Swapped to EM refire stubby for single target instead

[azure sun]

Far more than that, my guy

[jovial juniper]

Don't worry
I run the -50% ff damage on my gunner and Driller because of that 360° firing line mindset

[pale prairie]

God bless you

[jovial juniper]

I'm a good dwarf

[pale prairie]

I FOUND KARL

[jovial juniper]

Notice how I didn't say that I run -50% on bouncing nukes

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/stirring-what-huh-confused-the-big-lebowski-gif-6753507408299502889

How’s your C4 discipline?

[azure sun]

To be fair though, RJ250 just speaks to anyone who’s ever done rocket-jumping. The muscle memory carries

[jovial juniper]

I'm a bad dwarf

[jovial juniper]

Good

[pale prairie]

Good

[azure sun]

https://tenor.com/view/things-about-to-go-boom-driller-deep-rock-glactic-deep-rock-drg-gif-14456776042938016100

[jovial juniper]

I haven't detonated a scout in ages

[buoyant maple]

RJ250 is the best spec for AoE pgl because it’s most ammo efficient

Also it gives u high mobility

[azure sun]

There’s always Fat Boy if you want to have some silliness

[buoyant maple]

Fat boy is fun but not flexible enough outside of a few specific mission types

[jovial juniper]

I also don't run the max damage c4 build

Lots of "accidents" with it

[azure sun]

I mainly use C4’s for terrain/emergency explosives

[buoyant maple]

I’ve talked to playtesters about vet before

It’ll probably get better

I don’t have high hopes

[pale prairie]

What was their response?

Did they acknowledge the problem or seem unaware?

[azure sun]

Smokes really should be better than they are as a start. Something like Payday’s Sicario perhaps.

[buoyant maple]

I sent them a detailed change plan where a lot of things are purposefully overshot to be “op”

Some parts they agreed with, some parts they didn’t

[verbal thistle]

I depends on who you talk too

[buoyant maple]

Arthiio and Johnny

Didn’t talk with Cole on it and idk others

[verbal thistle]

The playtesters are pretty diverse and skill and knowledge and how vocal they are

[jovial juniper]

Eraser*

[buoyant maple]

I’m on the very radical side of “buff this until it’s perfect”

[verbal thistle]

Apparently in ogryn update some wanted ogryn stronger

[wraith sphinx]

I just hope arbites didn't completely derail any potential plans for vet

[verbal thistle]

In what way?

[pale prairie]

I mean they are plenty strong but it is funny to see arbiter have the same talent but at 25% instead of “just” 15%

[azure sun]

Eraser is fun, imho ECR is just as good if not better and promotes better ammo management

[buoyant maple]

Oh no if anything it opened up new things

I sent some wild ideas to Johnny before

[dusk timber]

10% actually on ogryn

[verbal thistle]

I'm still or the opinion that ogryn is stronger than arby but more people complain about arby because of the lower skill floor and dog makes up for their lack of game knowledge

[wraith sphinx]

As in, that they would put the class on the back burner because they would like to just focus on arby or something along those lines

[pale prairie]

Whoops hahaha

[buoyant maple]

I think if I send them here I’ll get crucified for wanting vet to be overpowered

[wraith sphinx]

I would not mind seeing them

[azure sun]

https://tenor.com/view/the-incredibles-syndrome-ang-when-everyones-super-no-one-will-be-super-heroes-gif-5389961

[dusk timber]

i wouldnt either

[verbal thistle]

So they either buff vet or nerf arby because they don't have enough resources

[wraith sphinx]

It's a pve game I'm going to tolerate at least some blatantly op stuff

[verbal thistle]

It is a power fantasy

That's what sells

That gives them money

They want money

[azure sun]

I mean if anything, they do need to bring up some playstyles so everyone gets a fair shake.

[pale prairie]

Clearly they are fine with OP since they released arbiter as it is

[verbal thistle]

They were fine with it since patch 13

When they ditched old balance and game plan

[dusk timber]

tbf nerfing arb is mostly just tuning down the % of some of its nodes

[verbal thistle]

DS was the main beginning

[azure sun]

Don’t need the Hellbores to be as busted as Plasmas, but need something on the Hellbores to make them competitive outside of forcing it, for example

[pale prairie]

This

[verbal thistle]

Exactly

[jovial juniper]

Helby is as busted as plasma rn

💀

But for different reasons

[wraith sphinx]

Yeah they are just playing it safe

[azure sun]

Never found a build I vibed with.

[wraith sphinx]

But yeah, curse this stupid live service model of drip feeding us content

[verbal thistle]

To play devil advocate, but from a business standpoint

Why nerf?

People want to win

[pale prairie]

Okay new plan release a DLC locked veteran respec

[verbal thistle]

To feel good

So they keep playing

[wraith sphinx]

Wait wait hold on

Where did I mention arbites nerfing?

[verbal thistle]

Sorry rem, just overall didn't mean to talk to you

[jovial juniper]

Ogryn stronger

Biggest

[pale prairie]

Actually look over at HD2 with the infinitely spawning super Lethal very fast dragons with invisible AoE Dots. Some people love that shit

[jovial juniper]

Meanest

[wraith sphinx]

Ah, it's ok 👍 continue

[azure sun]

Speaking of, btw, is there a valid place for autopistol in the same breath as recon las/laspistol for gun psyker? The thought just hit me.

[verbal thistle]

Yup

Mobility stagger and toughness regen

[buoyant maple]

One of the things I sent was
Make krak grenade one shot captains and twins’ void shield if it sticks (bypassing the damage gates)
And default capacity buffed to 3

With grenadier (extra grenade capacity talent) buffed from +1 to +2 for all blitz options

[verbal thistle]

It's best stagger/anti rager weapon

[prime elk]

SAP is good

[jovial juniper]

Imagine it as Vraks5 discount version

Not great not terrible

[wraith sphinx]

Oneshotting would get shot down (heh) by fatshark but I can see the rest happening

[jovial juniper]

Definitely usable though

[prime elk]

It’s good 😠

[azure sun]

Huh

[misty ferry]

Truth nuke!

[dusk timber]

i'd prefer faster fuse time on them

[misty ferry]

I started using it in Havoc and holy shit

[jovial juniper]

Yeah that's..... what I said

[dusk timber]

and 3 kraks too

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/avengers-infinity-war-peter-dinklage-itll-kill-you-dont-do-it-gif-14714978

[azure sun]

Ok, I badly need a new build to cross-reference for Hellbore then

[buoyant maple]

Nah the important part is one shot shield

[prime elk]

Not great not terrible

Usable

[buoyant maple]

And I’ve sent a bunch of other wild ideas

[prime elk]

Smh

[buoyant maple]

Most are very overtuned in numbers

[jovial juniper]

What's Below great and above terrible

Tier list wise

[pale prairie]

Would that even see effective use? Most shields go down fast. I guess multiple boss scenario?

[jovial juniper]

That's right

Neutral

[wraith sphinx]

Yes I can see that, I am just predicting that specific thing would cause the most arguments

[prime elk]

Good is above neutral 😠

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/druski-shrug-idk-iono-hands-up-gif-7122581203490458147

https://tenor.com/view/soobfad-druski-gif-25646977

[buoyant maple]

Means a single veteran can kill captains much faster if singled out and it opens up boss damage windows in a very high impact manner that immediately signals everyone to concentrate firepower

[jovial juniper]

Wonder if the reload speed on slide blessing will be real

[misty ferry]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f58a4ba-9a0c-4cec-8d03-9f4535122a62/dream-vet-havoc-40

Use this but with the following changes:

- Remove 5% crit node
+ Add shocktrooper

- Remove Plasma gun
+ Add Helbore MK4

Blessings n perks 
+ Surgical
+ Weight of fire
+ Maniacs
+ Unyielding

[dusk timber]

plasma gub

[misty ferry]

The gubber

[azure sun]

I’ll look into it

[wraith sphinx]

The goober

[misty ferry]

It's seriously really good lol

This allows you to use your gun 70% of the time or even more in havoc 40

It's crazy

[pale prairie]

See I would love very class to be arbiter OP. My fear though is what they would do to make top content harder to compensate. Also then lower difficulties become even more of a joke

[misty ferry]

I think it's moronic to have so many enemies on screen

[azure sun]

The other side of that is that it pushes a faint P2W mentality. DLC classes should be strong, but not outright invalidate what’s there. If Arbi is as strong as it is by design, the others should be competitive.

[misty ferry]

Especially when those enemies are crushers and ragers

[jovial juniper]

The game balance is already so borked

[misty ferry]

Literally a lot of things need nerfing lol

[azure sun]

I get Duelling is busted, but why double anti-armor weapons? Is it just a fallback for Crusher packs or such?

[misty ferry]

It's okay 90% of arbites players are trash that balances it out

I'll keep rejecting 95% of arbys who want to join my havoc party 8)

[pale prairie]

That’s why I think just like halve or cut by a third some of the numbers in their tree

[misty ferry]

Huh? You're not supposed to shoot crushers in Havoc

You have DS for that

[azure sun]

🤔

[misty ferry]

They have so much hp it's not worth shooting them down

[misty ferry]

The main reason for DS however it's because it's the Best damage dealer for bosses

If you use the same blessings on the build of course

[azure sun]

Huh, ok. I messed with DS a fair bit, but never played too hard on it. I get the hype behind it, just always preferred other options

[pale prairie]

No it’s cause it looks cool to stand with it extended and a hand behind the back

[azure sun]

Will give it another shake

[misty ferry]

I know I main Rapier in VT2

[jovial juniper]

Yeah it's so good it's boring

[misty ferry]

^

[buoyant maple]

Power creep is a problem

[dusk timber]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-rat-shaking-who-up-ratshaker-gif-13188870410169503004

[misty ferry]

Wish it nerfed just so people won't complain about it anymore and I can use it in peace

[pale prairie]

It has a gun so less aura farming /s

[misty ferry]

FUCK YOU!!1!!!

[pale prairie]

My exact concern.

[misty ferry]

It's dope!1!1!!!

[pale prairie]

The pidling pistol firing is fun yes

[azure sun]

This coming from the guy who runs a DC on all classes that can as a fallback, so.

[misty ferry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1396221605494919229/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2025.07.19_-_17.05.28.02.mp4?ex=68c3d473&is=68c282f3&hm=f9ae3ced20db4d0f324b0768e4d1ec56befe2e8519c515e73c9aa5c096f5f98b&

[azure sun]

Interesting

[misty ferry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1403828132406100019/almost_no_hit.mp4?ex=68c3d114&is=68c27f94&hm=81297774e1d47c34ee801ca33619f5c447329486f06a244c889c459b5a1ac352&

It is kinda crazy on vet

[marble crater]

The graphics are more crazy

[azure sun]

Huh!

[marble crater]

What is going on there

[pale prairie]

Steam deck?

Or Karien computer

[wraith sphinx]

Low spec gaming yeah

[buoyant maple]

Texture setting -1

Turns the game into Roblox

[marble crater]

[buoyant maple]

It’s a VRAM save

Texture doesn’t affect GPU performance as much as it does VRAM

Turning lighting off does affect GPU performance a lot

[misty ferry]

Gotta have my game clean af

[buoyant maple]

Yea I mean
Most of what I sent was deliberately overshot so if they have ideas of nerfing it’ll likelier to be nerfed from op to good instead of from good to meh

[wraith sphinx]

Yeah, classic negotiation strategy

You know what's up

[jovial juniper]

Self reminder to do this later

[pale prairie]

Lmao robloxtide

[wraith sphinx]

I might do this too if I ever decide to actually play havoc
My rig can handle darktide on lowest settings generally fine but the moment I play above h21 I get slowdowns when 50 million trashmobs spawn

[buoyant maple]

it makes pox hound look like a pink piggy

[buoyant maple]

that's most likely a CPU bottleneck

[misty ferry]

I only have this setting for environment tho

Everything else and it really starts looking like ass

[wraith sphinx]

Which would be insane because the weak link in my PC is my GPU
CPU is 12th generation intel core i7
GPU is nvidia geforce gtx 1650

[buoyant maple]

unless ur gpu's vram is super low, doing texture -1 doesn't really matter that much

[misty ferry]

It defenitely keeps things more clean tho

Not so much for performance

Have the same on VT2

[buoyant maple]

stingray engine is very cpu constraint

[misty ferry]

But VT2 is actually good at performance

[wraith sphinx]

don't vt2 and dt have separate development teams?

or development sub-teams rather

[buoyant maple]

even tho DT is also very gpu heavy because of high environment detail and using RTXGI

[buoyant maple]

the wonders of not using RTXGI lol

in DT turning RTXGI off breaks lighting completely

[misty ferry]

But allows you to see in lights out a lot easier 8)

And dark maps in general without a flashlight hehe

I abuse that a lot :3

[buoyant maple]

that's not RTXGI, that's a different lighting setting

[misty ferry]

Oh

I think I have rtxgi disabled anyways

[buoyant maple]

the thing ur talking abt is local_light_shadows

also

[buoyant maple]

this is not accurate

[misty ferry]

It kinda is in Havoc when 90% of twins fight is 4 people insta exploding the melee twin and it dying before it gets a chance to get the shield back

[buoyant maple]

they actually don't have that much hp

[buoyant maple]

no no

[misty ferry]

xdddd

[buoyant maple]

the hp number is wrong

[misty ferry]

Wait what

[buoyant maple]

havoc doesn't boost captain and twins' health

[misty ferry]

I'm using the Havoc modifier that gives bosses 70% more hp

[misty ferry]

It doesn't????

[buoyant maple]

yea that's used wrong here

that x1.7 is only for monsters

[misty ferry]

Whaaaaat

[buoyant maple]

captain tag (captains & twins) doesn't get that

[misty ferry]

I need to confirm this next time I play Havoc

[buoyant maple]

so same hp as damnation/auric

twins are 72k

[misty ferry]

No wonder I felt in real games they fell a LOT faster

[buoyant maple]

twins also have 2x melee weakness so they have effectively 36k hp if u hit them in melee only

[misty ferry]

But I still gotta confirm

[marble crater]

Rinda not a monster confirmed, you can try and romance her without worries

[misty ferry]

Oh yeah that I know

[buoyant maple]

this on top of a forced 4s heavy stagger (longer duration in <damnation) when their void shields break
and skullcrusher in play

this is why they melt instantly

[misty ferry]

Even in teams with no skullcrusher she just evaporares

When I use this build

[wraith sphinx]

RTXGI just makes lights bounce, it doesn't have anything to do with how flashlights work or dark visibility

[dusk timber]

ngl i hate that forced stagger

[buoyant maple]

yea because 72k is not a lot of health with a 2x melee weakness, and they have carapace weakspot
and most people bring good carapace dps melee weapons into havoc

[misty ferry]

Good thing the final toll modifier exists aaaand she's dead before being able to use it

oops

[buoyant maple]

avg havoc player when asked abt game knowledge:

[misty ferry]

My hands compensate for my lack of knowledge

If My weakspot hitrate is around 70% or more I'm doing an excellent job 8)

[deft stump]

Is this why they get funni two shotted to any half competent team comp?

[misty ferry]

Alright but how EVIL would it be if I Made a thread reporting havoc twins not having more hp as a bug...

[buoyant maple]

yea because their effective hp vs melee is basically just 10 damnation crushers combined

[misty ferry]

Fuck them players stuck at havoc 21 and 30

[buoyant maple]

it's not even a bug

it wouldn't mean anything

already working as intended

[misty ferry]

Trust me Fatshark is so confused at times that they might think it is

[buoyant maple]

no

[deft stump]

That's actually funni.

[wraith sphinx]

fucking twins

they have been in the game for how long and randoms still don't know how to fight them

I only managed to solo them once

[verbal thistle]

Twins mentioned!

[wraith sphinx]

This goes incredibly hard

[misty ferry]

We have been talking about nothing but twins for 20 minutes now

[deft stump]

You going to bulli them more?

[verbal thistle]

It's been sad

Only 1 HM run in the past 3 weeks

[verbal thistle]

Drawn by misskitty

[misty ferry]

Which HM are you refeering to...

[verbal thistle]

Twins hard mode

[misty ferry]

ah

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/rinda-darktide-jumpscare-warhammer-40k-gif-13771914461150275398

[deft stump]

Oh, wanna ask, damnation hard mode still exist or is it now auric hard mode?

[verbal thistle]

It's coded as damnation iirc

[wraith sphinx]

shoulder checked lmao

[verbal thistle]

Not intensity 6 which is auric

Probably would only increase specials

[buoyant maple]

makes no difference because auric is just a spawn intensity bonus from damnation

and twins' arena fight is like

[wraith sphinx]

yeah, diff 6 just guarantees high int modifiers right?

[pale prairie]

Damn that’s some funny shit

[buoyant maple]

almost fixed spawns

[verbal thistle]

Yeah

It always waves of either rager shotgunner mauler or crusher

[zealous wing]

ah so i dont have to drag my 2nd psyker to auric just damnation

[buoyant maple]

no
auric itself is damnation higher intensity
auric high intensity is high intensity added on top of that

[verbal thistle]

And it's always the name number of them

[zealous wing]

this is good to know

[verbal thistle]

Each wave

[wraith sphinx]

ah so high intensity squared?

[deft stump]

Was mostly curious.

[buoyant maple]

pretty much

[verbal thistle]

https://youtu.be/vX2uE1oZT7c?si=PGZhXYlFwAGugsPM

[pale prairie]

And then maelstrom is intensity cubed?

[verbal thistle]

Here is my twins solo

Oy wait

No

It's not

[jovial juniper]

Is that an Olimpia?

[verbal thistle]

https://youtu.be/bsY9ZA1oTfw?si=uwoK0o1EmyFb93CS

This

[buoyant maple]

maelstrom has high intensity built-in
so all auric maelstroms are essentially damnation high intensity squared + additional maelstrom modifiers

[pale prairie]

Ah just some classic arbiter gameplay

[pale prairie]

Interesting

[wraith sphinx]

yeah it's why every single maelstrom modifier has "waves of specialist", I think

[buoyant maple]

no that is maelstrom modifier I

[wraith sphinx]

ohh

right mb

[jovial juniper]

Wave of cdr

https://tenor.com/view/money-crying-woody-harrelson-wiping-tears-with-money-gif-6945518

[strong gulch]

waves of extra barrels

[deft stump]

But Ainz, don't you just solo a good number of the time anyway?

[strong gulch]

image barrels on sliders
all over

[wraith sphinx]

fatshark should do the brute conscripts event but it's about barrels instead

[strong gulch]

OH

GIB US BIG BARREL

oggy sized barrel

[wraith sphinx]

waves of barrels. barreling grounds. barrel purge. extra barrels. reduced barrel cooldown.

[verbal thistle]

Yeah, why?

[wraith sphinx]

that's what I honestly imagined with this big boom event

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1408089858387476691/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2025.08.21_-_15.04.13.03-00.04.10.847-00.04.17.375.mp4?ex=68c428df&is=68c2d75f&hm=a74e3545cca966ae6d99db3c33440332bf62b28a6ec7df98e635848efe6ebd7d&

[strong gulch]

Monster throwing barrels at us

[wraith sphinx]

barrels with legs charging you

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/fuck-fuck-you-middle-finger-middle-finger-gif-15294280

[deft stump]

So, wouldn't most of them just count as solos? Lul.

[verbal thistle]

Yeah

[pale prairie]

Damn some psyker oppression. Also guess the bolt pistol CAN kill stuff

[verbal thistle]

It's just my only recorded solo

[strong gulch]

I'm sorry that I wish to destroy this game. Durge moment.

[wraith sphinx]

Waves of Barrels. Barrel's Blessing (Barrels have a chance to get a buff that makes them tougher). Monstrous Barrels (Chance that Barrels become weaker Barrels). Only Barrel faction. Enhanced Barrels.

[pale prairie]

Was the event not enough for you?

[deft stump]

Oh.

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/star-gif-16789607377123159596

[wraith sphinx]

honestly almost every event has been interesting except brute conscripts and rotten armor

[deft stump]

Would like brute back to farm more reaper kills.

[pale prairie]

If you want more explosions and Ragdolling try level 10 bots in HD2. They have units that launch 100 grenades for 10 solid secs of Ragdolling

[wraith sphinx]

Brother you are talking to a bot main

I know.

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/home-alone-sick-gif-26237892

I can’t talk I’ve been farming oshaune level 10s

[wraith sphinx]

these recent MOs have made me truly sick and tired of terminids

fighting rupture strain is the same feeling as waking up to see a swarm of mosquitoes all over your body

[pale prairie]

I just want enemies with no invisible weapons

[wraith sphinx]

or seeing them on someone else

[strong gulch]

Brute conscripts was funny for me because that was when I was first doing random builds that kept being stymied by crushers and smykers. I am still haunted by the run that I had with a laspistol (or maybe infantry lasgun) and a devils claw but a smyker kept following me so I couldn't do anything.

[marble crater]

As a new Xbox Diver I only know the predator strain. Apparently there are normal bugs?

[pale prairie]

Hahahahahhahahaha

[strong gulch]

Those are so scary

[pale prairie]

Yes they are chill

[strong gulch]

so much pain

[pale prairie]

Wait do you know what nursery spewers are?

[marble crater]

I don't know

Maybe?

[wraith sphinx]

I tried it and it felt incredibly dull. Crusher clown cars are exciting when they randomly and rarely happen but when they are constant throughout the mission, gameplay just devolves into:
Hruuurraaaaaagh
Rebar maul smashes ground
poke poke poke
crusher falls to the ground as you dodge another crusher roaring and swinging his overhead attack

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-evil-laugh-evil-racoon-hehehehe-muhahaha-gif-25486258

[wraith sphinx]

normal bugs are just a significantly less deadly instance of predator strain

[strong gulch]

I just went a different ridiculous rout. EP BB and sliding away. lmao

[wraith sphinx]

predator strain is the closest thing helldivers has to a loadout check

[marble crater]

My first introduction to bugs were predator strain, burrowing bugs and flying bile titans, I don't think anything can shock me anymore?

[wraith sphinx]

no gas, no EMS, no arc weapons? You're going to bug epstein island buddy

[pale prairie]

It was exciting to start then got progressively more monotonous. It was funny to see so many ranged classes panicking though

[wraith sphinx]

Correct, you have eaten the entire shit sandwich and things will just get easier now

for me, automaton incineration corps on d10 is peak helldivers

[pale prairie]

It was definitely their plan

[wraith sphinx]

it requires your full and constant attention and shows you no mercy

[pale prairie]

Looks pretty too

[strong gulch]

I knew that something scary was gonna happen a while back when I saw a HD2 pole about "which enemy do you struggle with or fear the most" and most chose hunters.

[pale prairie]

Because they anticipate your first shot

[wraith sphinx]

yeah they dodge sideways as they approach you

they don't even so much anticipate, they just move like that if you are looking at them at all

[strong gulch]

Little shits. They know what I taste like. I desperately want to know what they taste like. Fry em or roast em.

unhinged diver thoughts

[pale prairie]

They “feel” my crosshair and that’s goddamn unnatural

[marble crater]

Controller aim assist for the win?

[wraith sphinx]

fucking bugs man. can't leave home without a mobility backpack

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/whats-eating-gilbert-grape-drama-leonardo-de-caprio-johnny-depp-grasshopper-gif-3337375

[wraith sphinx]

it also features the worst teammates of all 3 fronts

bug mains on their way to snatch defeat from jaws of victory by repeatedly napalming the objectives

[pale prairie]

Debatable. I think I see more people struggle with illuminate

[pale prairie]

This is real though

[wraith sphinx]

people struggling with illuminate is just a darktide-type skill issue

you separated from the team and got swarmed by the trash mobs

or you pay too much attention to trash mobs and the elites blow your head off

[marble crater]

Illuminate seem fine? The only thing that caused me problems were the stingrays, because I didn't know they are a thing and because the ground is blue instead of the traditional red

[pale prairie]

You are a halo diver though

Some people struggle with a mixed enemy type faction

[marble crater]

That's why they are supposed to be difficult?

[strong gulch]

Am baby diver. Just run around in circles and scream about being stuck in a menu.

[pale prairie]

The idea is basically

Bugs= melee/spacing problem

Bots = ranged enemy/cover problem/ approach

Illuminate = melee problem WITH ranged problem

There was some growing to do once they were introduced

[strong gulch]

we should play together

That way I can get carried.

and not learn any lessons

[jovial juniper]

Real

Bro napalmed the extraction point

[marble crater]

Maybe it's the predator strain and all the new bugs, but they are a lot more difficult than illuminate, didn't get a chance to play bots much, because MO reasons

[jovial juniper]

So we just stood there at the edge

Trying not to abort the landing

[marble crater]

200 iq

[pale prairie]

They are more difficult because you have a lot of options to deal with ranged threats but your fragile body can’t handle melee threats well. The hunters and their ilk also have CC

[marble crater]

You calling me weak?

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-weak-wimp-weak-sauce-weak-cant-handle-it-gif-13750035

[wraith sphinx]

Squids are honestly pretty cool, they are difficult without throwing waves of heavily armored enemies at you

A heavy machinehun is all you need to deal with the entire illuminate roster and that is pretty cool

[pale prairie]

Yeah I like them and bots for the tactical problem they present

Good loadout checks

[wraith sphinx]

They are just so much cooler to fight compared to bugs you are just running away from 24/7

[marble crater]

Last time I fought the bots and illuminate I didn't have democratic demolition stuff

[wraith sphinx]

You can use the impact grenade

[marble crater]

It's fine, I'm a big boy now, I unlocked thermite

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-birthday-bon-anniversaire-birthday-cake-birthday-birthday-fiesta-gif-8599251704042047456

[marble crater]

Thanks

[broken carbon]

i honestly would rather squids be less voteless and more overseers and harvesters

voteless turned the illuminate into just another horde faction

which hd2 has plenty of already

[pale prairie]

Could be a future special faction like inferno corps and predator strain

“The pure” or something

[wraith sphinx]

rare meow sighting

[broken carbon]

im around often, just not in psyker chat

[wraith sphinx]

ah

[broken carbon]

usually in gameplay help and zealot chat

[wraith sphinx]

I barely check any chat besides psyker so figures lol

[wraith sphinx]

more overseers and harvesters could be a cool modifier idea tho

AH could come up with another elite-coded unit and ship it as a squid modifier

[broken carbon]

i want the illuminate snipers back

and council members

[wraith sphinx]

they'd go hard yeah

[broken carbon]

sigh

illuminate were so much more fun in hd1

hd1 is much more fun in general

[fresh panther]

Where that piece of shit from hd1 that reverses your controls I want revenge

[broken carbon]

back in my day

[wraith sphinx]

maybe I should get the game after all

oh wait nobody in my circle plays it rip

[broken carbon]

control reversal would be abysmal in hd2 but

some sort of interference would be fun

[fresh panther]

Giant ball that makes shield walls lands on you

[broken carbon]

obelisks would be fun in city maps

[fresh panther]

They had a hard enough time with strategem scrambling lol

[wraith sphinx]

people bitching about cogni disruptor is hilarious to me

[marble crater]

During my first encounter with stratagem scrambling I thought I had to enter the codes from memory I eventually figured out that I need to enter the current randomized one

[wraith sphinx]

meanwhile me and my friends feel eternally vindicated for not memorising all the stratagem inputs

[pale prairie]

The hardest stratagem scrambling was when you type it in and it was something completely different. I think they took that out

“Why is my support strat red?”

[fresh panther]

Lmao yup

I swear it used to change mid entry too so if you were too slow you'd have to start over

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/boom-explosion-gif-21768412

[fresh panther]

"lets make 2fa into a mini game"

[pale prairie]

Cool and now I just have to wait an extra 25% because of the increased cooldowns

[strong gulch]

Just never remember them. Then the scramble hardly matters.

[pale prairie]

My solution

[fresh panther]

I see you remember the creek as well

[pale prairie]

Remember to give back the brain cell when done Potato. It’s my turn soon

[fresh panther]

Who needs strategem scrambling when we have brain scrambling

[strong gulch]

Preinstalled and ready to not remember. 🫡

[pale prairie]

I’ve walked every battlefield since you had to slam into the queue repeatedly to get in

[strong gulch]

My partner runs for the scrambler right away and I'm like "Look at the the funny dancing arrows. Maybe I'll just gamble for shorter puzzle."

[pale prairie]

Peak helldiver roleplay

“Let democracy guide you”

[ripe obsidian]

Down with democracy, up with enlightened monarchs.

Problem is finding an enlightened monarch

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-frown-dwight-the-office-angry-gif-16273946

[ripe obsidian]

And then their unenlightened heirs

[queen fog]

https://tenor.com/view/kill-that-guy-spiderman-spider-man-into-the-spider-verse-spiderverse-kingpin-gif-20437897

Managed democracy send this man 20 500kg eagle strikes

[ripe obsidian]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlightened_absolutism

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/revolution-band-music-gif-7710889

[pale prairie]

I feel like this was just napoleon

[ripe obsidian]

In reality, I want Nordic-style socialist democracies

[pale prairie]

Like modern day

Right?

[ripe obsidian]

Yes

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/boringstorybook-brian-kirby-kidlit-boringstories-100-percent-gif-9002373719639636114

[marble crater]

Which one

[ripe obsidian]

I am just sick of [insert rant about US political systems here], and sometimes it's nice to imagine an enlightened absolutist reforming society around education and the ethical pursuit of knowledge.

[pale prairie]

The first. His supposed relatives were for the most part failures

[marble crater]

Well yeah, they were French

[pale prairie]

Very true

[pale prairie]

Let’s check how Prussia did against these Frenchmen

Yep turns out they got their asses kicked

https://tenor.com/view/smile-laughing-laugh-gif-26377590

[marble crater]

Doesn't matter, it's my god given right and duty to talk shit about the French occasionally

[pale prairie]

Honestly feels like everybody likes to dunk on them

[marble crater]

Europe is allowed to, you on the other hand are not

[pale prairie]

When you save them twice from occupation you get to

[marble crater]

Without them you would still be a British colony, so shush

[ripe obsidian]

My understanding is that Europeans hate two things above all: traveling people and Parisians

[pale prairie]

Alright the first German defense is payback the second though is permanent dunking rights

[pale prairie]

And American tourists

[strong gulch]

That is a reason why I am a proponent of fiction writing. In particular I support romance writing because it necessitates a good ending. Stories or dreams of good and happy futures is quite the starting place for many things.

[ripe obsidian]

The Dutch have been pretty pleasant to me every time I have visited

[marble crater]

Why are you so damn loud?

[ripe obsidian]

I have heard that British tourists are worse.

[marble crater]

Like seriously

We always hear you long before we see you

[ripe obsidian]

Because our country is very big and very spread out and we have to shout across long distances to communicate

[marble crater]

Makes sense

[ripe obsidian]

The US is actually massive

[pale prairie]

Yes I am quite tired of hard reality

[ripe obsidian]

I am amused when I meet a European tourist who plans to go to NYC on Monday, Disney on Tuesday, and the Grand Canyon on Wednesday

[marble crater]

Silly people

[ripe obsidian]

I write fantasy on the verge of being grimdark.

[marble crater]

Non fiction

[pale prairie]

Cause louder will help you understand my English

[marble crater]

No

[pale prairie]

Legalizing most drugs will chill people waaaaaay out

[strong gulch]

the american way tbh

[deft stump]

Haven't you heard about tragedies?

[marble crater]

Some of your accents are fine, others... not so much

[pale prairie]

YES

[strong gulch]

Yes and I am not talking about those. Specifically crafting a future of joy and safety.

[deft stump]

Then again, being able to go be a pocket nuke and annihilate a city if they kill your love is a thing.

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-darth-plagueis-anakin-star-wars-gif-11720001

[pale prairie]

Interesting. Do you care to elaborate?

[strong gulch]

So many american accents.

Some are so hard to understand for me.

[pale prairie]

I am sorry what?

[deft stump]

Or hawt yuri?

[deft stump]

I like OP chars.

[pale prairie]

Wait is there ugly yuri

[pale prairie]

One punch does have some good characters

Mumen rider

[strong gulch]

Is there not hawt yuri?

[deft stump]

I literally have an RP char that can mentally deconstruct a city in seconds while frying her own mind from the stress of it.

[strong gulch]

btw, I do not use smut and romance interchangeably.

they are distinct categories

[marble crater]

I'm not sure I can, because I don't really know where all the accents are from. Some accents I can understand without any issues, some I need to focus a bit more on listening and some are just hopeless and I don't understand half the words

[deft stump]

I dunno.

[deft stump]

But they can blend together though.

[pale prairie]

Absolutely fair!

[ripe obsidian]

If we meet in person by some random chance, I will affect a heinous caricature of a southern accent

[strong gulch]

Sure, but not interchangeable. Looking for one and only over getting the other is grates my nerves.

[marble crater]

The same is true for German dialects though, I can't understand people from deep within Bavaria if they use their dialect, might as well be another language

[strong gulch]

Like if I want a horror film and it's JUST gore,

[deft stump]

I'm fine for most parts. Just gotta be with plot.