psyker-class

[near gale]

Jesus

I'm just gonna go to walmart and get ibuprofen lol

[pale prairie]

I brought fudge once and they thought it was plastic explosive

[zealous wing]

LMAO

[pale prairie]

Also bath bombs in xray look like grenades

[near gale]

[strong gulch]

Me with soil in ziplock bags.

[pale prairie]

I mean that’s pretty sus

Not dangerous

https://tenor.com/view/atlantis-mole-dirt-disturbed-gif-5641818

[upper sun]

thats a death sentence in australia

[strong gulch]

Apparently harmonicas look sus in the machine.

[zealous wing]

oh yeah protip, dont bring suspiciously noncoloured powders in random bags (like protien powder or other)

[marble crater]

@strong gulch I forgot the lore we made up about clad

[near gale]

[upper sun]

dude i almsot got creatine too

[thorn cedar]

There's more than a few characters I would've loved to see more relationship options exist with. For story reasons though I get that Evelyn can't be.

[upper sun]

my parents have so much whey and creatine 😭

[strong gulch]

There was someone next to me who had a much of ground spices. RIP.

[thorn cedar]

Judy gang all the way.

[strong gulch]

Uhh he was doing a walkout until bistol and thammer were fixed. Then was flying to go fix the game himself. I forgor the rest.

[marble crater]

Yeah, but she is hot though

[marble crater]

Ah yeah

[near gale]

"I can fix her" >.>

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/out-of-line-anthony-mackie-sam-wilson-falcon-the-falcon-and-the-winter-soldier-gif-21182970

[near gale]

The biggest checkbox on a character: Are they hot?

A lot of the time that's the only one that matters as well lol

[zealous wing]

so, Wrath. 40% cleave on hit, stacks 5 times. what details are missing?

[pale prairie]

Watch I am gonna pull a Dom.

“Humans like hot,
More news at 11.”

[near gale]

[pale prairie]

No that’s right

And?

[zealous wing]

no timer

[near gale]

don't miss

you lose all stacks when you miss iirc

[pale prairie]

Or even if you hit someone already dead

[zealous wing]

k thats the missing detail. ty

[strong gulch]

shred, is that you?

[pale prairie]

Shred is my deflector

[ripe obsidian]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3286161222

[near gale]

Yep lol

Wrath for guns when?

[dusk timber]

technically blaze away does that

[strong gulch]

now works on gun bash only

[near gale]

fatshark 101:

[dusk timber]

since strength also gives cleave

[near gale]

and damage and impact

[pale prairie]

But staff bash too right?

[near gale]

Nah

That'd be too op

[pale prairie]

Buff psyker

[zealous wing]

so what does reconlas dumdum have over something like punishing salvo /sustained fire?

[strong gulch]

No, but charged strikes started working on staff bonk and was not listed in the patch note /s

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/kk-gif-15803140109120205266

Never mind psyker needs a nerf

[near gale]

It works past the 4th shot >.>

[strong gulch]

I realized "/s" was needed because that sounded too real.

[zealous wing]

yeah but i could just... let go of LMB for a moment

[near gale]

with dum dum you keep the buff whether you do or not, as long as you hit something within the buff's duration

[zealous wing]

k

[near gale]

wew that was a lot of work

[zealous wing]

i just wanna know WHY things are as they are

[near gale]

Better go hit the hay

I'm exhausted now after explaining dumdum

[zealous wing]

like what exactly they do rather than just "whats the meta!?"

[dusk timber]

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-punch-markiplier-punch-attack-fight-gif-23206537

pov: youre hay

[near gale]

[zealous wing]

but what if hay hit you

[near gale]

Doesn't it already?

[zealous wing]

https://tenor.com/view/hay-hello-there-gif-25072593

[near gale]

Yeah

Like that

[near gale]

But yeah... Dumdum is a buff that stacks on hit, the other 2 are on the 2nd to 4th shots after the recoil resets

The recon lasgun shoots a fuck ton as well

[zealous wing]

in the psych the wrath timer does go down, it doesnt seem perpetual

would work on a horde regardless tbh but its def not a "just dont miss" its "dont miss and dont run out of time"

[marble crater]

Don't miss (the timer)

[pale prairie]

Game is utterly ruined

[zealous wing]

just trying to figure out if wrath would do more good than "oh shit im the only one left and theres several gunners spread around the area" panic button

esp when loading into a QP i could see that going bad quickly

[tulip kettle]

wrath just lts you chop up hordes gooderer

[crisp ether]

Wrath helps with horde clear and management

[tulip kettle]

you arent getting cleave into crushers or maulers when bonking so its pretty much for the trash

[crisp ether]

But that's why you have a thrust and overhead that does a good chunk of carapace damage

[tulip kettle]

indeed

shred is there to help with EE uptime, which i dont really care about for the reasons said earlier (when youre proccing it you arent getting shot anyway) but its nice for the crits vs crusher blobs

superiority on FGS when

[marble crater]

Using FGS already makes you superior, blessing would be redundant

[dusk timber]

ok but hear me out

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-true-kramer-seinfeld-gif-6564373007119861775

[dusk timber]

superior²

[tulip kettle]

having played some grail knight i love that FGS is just grail knight ulti but all the time

is fun

[graceful arch]

I want to see how this looks lol

[tulip kettle]

beam staff

[odd bolt]

hey there... So... what's the current psyker META?

[strong gulch]

Staves, gunker (gun psyker), and FGS (force great sword) are strong.

Builds for staves and abbreviations in pins.

Not that weapons like inferno and voidblast (VB) scale with density and are the emta picks for havocs.

The other two staves are great in auric but fall short in havocs.

[odd bolt]

thx

[glass sleet]

Sup peeps. 🫡 Bit of an odd question, has anyone managed to successfully pull off gun/greatsword psyker in higher havoc? If so...how?! xD

[plucky flax]

I heard it's impossible

Bubble knight is fake and not real

[pale prairie]

Yes it is possible just takes a lot of practice and some luck.

[tulip kettle]

run it with bubble and not SG. use reconlas to get reliable procs of EE. use warp slash a lot to help with hordes. its definitely doable

though vs garden + toll its... difficult.

i think theres some guy with videos on youtube of him playing it, i think its called "bubble knight" or similar, from some guy called "chaos agent" or something

[jovial juniper]

Step 1 melee 90% of the time

Step 2

Zarona Shotgun for boss reasons

Step 3 everything else that is not in melee range gets assailed

[plucky flax]

I hear he used cheats to play that build though. Impossible otherwise.

[pale prairie]

Close it was mods so cheat adjacent

[radiant frigate]

i think karien can play it

[wraith sphinx]

Can? She's a pro with that build

[cursive tiger]

Anybody have any suggestions for Curios?

[strong gulch]

General curio rec (non high havoc) is 201 hp and x1 sniper resist. That let's you tank a sniper shot and multiple bursters. How you get there is up to you. General perks to opt for are health, toughness, and cool down reduction (they are not or are less conditionally useful).

BUT curios are preference, playstyle dependent, and what your current needs are (may change with difficulty, build, or skill level, etc). If you never get shot by snipers, you can easily drop the sniper resist.

Things like gunner resist maybe be more helpful when you can't use cover and other things as effectively due to skill issue, etc. Consequently it will become less helpful as you get better at positioning and using cover. It may become helpful again in havocs. Things like that make them more "choose you own adventure".

Level 30 is assumed.

If you're still leveling, don't sweat it.

[wraith sphinx]

if you're still leveling put extra xp perks on all your curios so you get out of levelling hell sooner 👍

the real darktide begins once you hit the level cap

Personally I run three +17% toughness curios, I was tempted to switch to health curios for this event due to burster spam but then decided not to anyway

[cursive tiger]

I'm already at Level 30 and am just trying to optimize my Psyker is all.

Trying to do something around soulblaze cause the fire is kinda cool

[wraith sphinx]

Potato's advice is pretty spot on here, then. Having either health or toughness curios is your best choice. Avoid stamina and wound curios as their benefit to a psyker is minimal

[cursive tiger]

Sick I got both already

[wraith sphinx]

You're more or less set, then. Up to you to experiment around with curio perks and figure out what works best for you

[cursive tiger]

Still gonna blame my Curios when I lose though like a real gamer

[wraith sphinx]

I have a tad of a mix though not as much as I used to

[cursive tiger]

I might copy cause that actually looks real good

[strong gulch]

If you're doing something that requires a bunch of PAs (push attacks), then that is a scenario that I would reccomend a +3 stam curio (410+; 400 +3 stams are fake and only give +2 in a live game).

Most of the time a stam curio is not need or overkill because of psyker's low stam regen delay and KD.

[wraith sphinx]

my current toughness and health values on my gunker build with those curios. still very squish but it's nice having more toughness than health

[strong gulch]

Of course if you love stam, then use em.

[wraith sphinx]

It's probably a different story in hi level havocs but as a chronic knife user I've never had any significant advantage from using stamina curios when PA spamming

since KD makes your peril handle blocking all you gotta do is time your PAs to your stam regen delay, really

[strong gulch]

There's also being built to block bosses forever, but that's funny.

[strong gulch]

Or just opt out of paying attention.

[wraith sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/black-cat-dandelion-cat-silly-kitty-she-was-a-fairy-gif-14702056371420778419

the dastardly crusher behind you:

[strong gulch]

It can be a little jarring to have to mind you're stam on other classes when you've set yourself up to mostly ignore it on psyker.

That can be a bummer.

[wraith sphinx]

Yeah

But it also is just something you gotta pay attention to regardless, especially if you run scrier's gaze

It's fun

[strong gulch]

Unstaggerable burster or did you run out of stam??

Just blame the game.

[cursive tiger]

Trying to choose between the Devil's claw and a Blaze Force rn

[strong gulch]

What else are you using?

[cursive tiger]

Electro staff

With Assail + Shriek

[strong gulch]

devils claw and illisi pair well with EK

Meta EK takes Psykinetic's Aura which Assail can't path through.

Not saying don't do assail EK, but just letting you know.

[cursive tiger]

I dont got that skill so it doesn't even apply to me anyways

[strong gulch]

It's a talent on the tree

[cursive tiger]

Ik but I haven't picked it up

[strong gulch]

Yeah, assail can't path through it.

It's why BB (with KF) is picked over assail for EK.

BB and smite can path through psyk's aura.

[cursive tiger]

Ohhh I see

[marble crater]

You pick BB with KF, because you want Psykentic's Aura. I pick BB with KF, because I'm too lazy to use my Blitz.
We are not the same.

[languid flicker]

Both you guys are cooked, because you can just take Smite with Psykentic's Aura.

[marble crater]

But then I have to play... smite

[long saddle]

bb kinetic flayer my beloved

[languid flicker]

Yeah but its great

[marble crater]

No

[languid flicker]

How am I supposed to clutch without it

[long saddle]

as a blitz it's better

[languid flicker]

I gotta pickup these arbites players man

[marble crater]

Git gud

[long saddle]

but being a blitz psyker can be a bit of chore

[languid flicker]

need somthing to push the hordes off of them to rez

[strong gulch]

Base smite gives you an extra point... which I would just want to put it in KF still so BB it is. lol

Have KD

shriek at the horde

[long saddle]

yeah KD is all you need unless there's gunners

[languid flicker]

You but what if you have gaze instead

[long saddle]

KD

[strong gulch]

KD

[languid flicker]

KD is really good

[long saddle]

I don't think I have a psyker build without it

[languid flicker]

Its a superpower

why not take it

[long saddle]

it is very far right down there

but it's worth it

[languid flicker]

Most builds will want that crit modifier anyway so its worth it

[wraith sphinx]

Me moments before getting pancaked

[ornate hamlet]

Oh no,now i crave pancakes 😋🥞

[strong gulch]

I am glad that the little poop who body blocked me also got smashed.

[modest perch]

did that hurt? cus it looked like it hurt

[radiant frigate]

who

anyway @upper sun did you clutch it

[languid flicker]

Whats even better is when you watch his hammer land a full 90 degrees off center but you still get insta downed because lag compensation is a foreign concept over at Fatshark.

[upper sun]

https://tenor.com/view/rigby-cat-rigby-pee-funny-cat-gif-436236211739437212

@strong gulch do u have the date of that game?

[strong gulch]

This one.

[radiant frigate]

just watching the dodge angles makes me feel uneasy

[languid flicker]

I've just resorted to pushing with the force sword because it stops that attack, it seems to be the only way to make sure you don't just get Auriced

[strong gulch]

uhhh

The clip was created on July 9th 2025, but the actual game could be before that. I have a lot of fooage to break up.

[tulip kettle]

clad definitely clutched here. Whether he bothered to pick the squad up or not, or even realised they went down, im not so sure.

[upper sun]

https://tenor.com/view/nuggetand-cat-car-cat-meme-cats-gif-13549128190129307854

i have zero memory of that whole event

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/tuesday-it-was-tuesday-gif-7848536755965112645

[strong gulch]

I know we were up to chaos.

just go brrr

[upper sun]

anyhow theres no chance of me finding footage until i tidy my room which will take 2 weeks 😭

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/jordan-peterson-jbp-clean-your-room-gif-9239876

[marble crater]

Because you weren't here for half of it, just left without saying anything 🫃

[upper sun]

my sleep schedule was so bad i pulled an all nighter for a 2 pm flight

ur lucky i survived

[marble crater]

You are lucky you survived

[near gale]

Just don't crave pancakes smh my head

[plucky flax]

Do you get random search for being Arab

[radiant frigate]

probably one time but then never again

inshallah they will let him through

[upper sun]

unironically my country searched me more than europe

[marble crater]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-duck-gif-1363576254939741235

[upper sun]

spent 10 minutes there and customs in europe looked at me for 10 seconds asked me to open by my back then said "u can go, good bye :)"

😭 i really wanted them to notice how well i dont bring drugs in

[marble crater]

I guess they didn't bother because you don't look dangerous enough to be a drug lord

Need to visit the gym more

[upper sun]

next time i wont shave

[near gale]

How dare you?!

what are we talking about?

[upper sun]

airport security

middle east is harsher to its citizens in searches than europe

[plucky flax]

What arab country?

[upper sun]

jordan

[plucky flax]

Based. I had an opportunity to go to Qatar for 6 weeks from november but it clashes with my holidays to Vietnam in december.

Very sad.

[wraith sphinx]

I've never travelled outside Europe and I don't plan to

[gray juniper]

Aw

There’s a cool world out there

[near gale]

shhh, no... there's... people...

and people are badge

[deft stump]

You mean, weird.

[near gale]

That too

[gray juniper]

People are indeed… inconvenient

[near gale]

Which is why I vote we remove people

[deft stump]

Would be great for the Earth tbh.

[near gale]

ikr? lol

[gray juniper]

That’s right. This shit belongs to me

[wraith sphinx]

This one continent has enough stuff to explore for a long time

[wind wind]

Me is bored. Anyone wanna go play with me, lets say; in 30 minutes?

[shell sand]

Hellos! I made my first psyker yesterday, and levels 1-3 were a slog, but at level 4 with the blitz choice, suddenly it became so much fun. Assail is so fun, however I saw what looks like force lightning in a video, but I got a lightning staff and it doesn't quite match what I saw. Could I be doing something wrong?

[wind wind]

Force lightning is called smite

You have a talent tree. With enough levels you can either make a build that switches from assail to smite or you make a new build.

Smite is better anyways

(Let the war commence)

[long saddle]

leveling up assail is more useful

smite teaches bad habits

[shell sand]

I'm pretty sure Assail teaches bad ones too lol. When I got it, I don't think I pulled out my gun or sword the entire run. I just hung back behind the party and threw darts.

I noticed Assail doesn't seem to help much with the heavily armored enemies, so I just tried to clear horde, and let the others deal with the big dudes

[shell sand]

Why in your opinion is that?

[radiant frigate]

this feels like bait

[wind wind]

I was just trolling a bit. All 3 blitzes have their legitimate uses, all 3, mastered, can do pretty awesome things.

I just love smite the most and there are quite a few people here that dont like smite or the extreme usage of smite and i just wanted to piss those people off

You just enjoy the game and use whatever you like

[wind wind]

It is

[near gale]

Gottem lol

100% deserved

[deft stump]

All blitzes used as primary does. You need to understand that melee is primary for most parts. Psyker can treat staves as primary though. Blitzes and the other weapon is usually more a secondary that compensates for the flaws of the primary.

[wind wind]

Blitzes are good at one particular thing usually and one thing only. So If you encounter something that doesnt fall in your blitzes usual m.o. and you try and solve it with your Blitz, youre fucked

Never smite a Chaos Spawn for example

[zealous wing]

never use smite to control a horde and back yourself into a one-exit room either

if someones also already dealing with a horde, it helps to learn if its something they actually need help with or if they've got it handled before you smite it

smiting a horde someones got handled with an FGS for example will throw of our timing, and if they're knocked over they're harder to kill

but if they're trying to clear a horde with like a fucking combat knife then you can smite

[wind wind]

My 3 favorite usages for smite are

1. Holding mutant, burster and dogwaves long enough for the teammates to kill them

2. Stopping armored patrols in their tracks so they can be broken up by nades and CA

3. Pushing enemies to the ground so they are easier to melee

[zealous wing]

every time im clearing a horde, and a smyker smites, vet shouts, ogryn bullrushes, etc, it completely throws off me charging my sword

i would say burster waves are really the only thing other blitzes dont have handled

or, main weaponry

[wind wind]

Never seen a bb build hold up 10 crushers

[zealous wing]

kinetic resonance

or a vb staff

or an ek staff

[wind wind]

Never heard of it. Is it edible?

[wind wind]

Fair enough

[zealous wing]

its fun

esp with SG and EP

[wind wind]

Huh

Imma need to try that then

[zealous wing]

if you have EP it goes BRRRR if youre clearing elites

[radiant frigate]

it's pretty epic but it is also a lot of your build dedicated to making BB suck less

(it does however suck less if you do it)

[zealous wing]

but it IS fun

[sterile vale]

KR with double shield is also fun

[wraith sphinx]

I can hop on for a mission now

[mighty garden]

Is the Zarona valid on gunpsyker?

[orchid sentinel]

How do you charge yo BR so fast?

[mighty garden]

If not, what’s the best gun for gunpsyker

[wraith sphinx]

Yes

[mighty garden]

Teach me your ways

[wraith sphinx]

I just followed the psyker atheneum guide for this one and it worked very fine for me,

[mighty garden]

Awww why is speedload bad

I love the increase to reload

[weak sierra]

There's 2 nodes in the skill tree that boost brain burst charge time(Kinetic Resonance, subnode of the blitz itself, and Empowered Psionics which is a keystone) and here's something most players don't know - a celerity stimm makes your brain burst charge faster

[wraith sphinx]

talents and blessings that increase reloading speed are basically training wheels, they're ok if you're not sure what you're doing but once you get the hang of the game you'll recognize openings you can use to reload your gun and this will become unnecessary

[orchid sentinel]

Oh damn, thx

[mighty garden]

Fair

[wraith sphinx]

you can keep them if you want but if you stick around you'll eventually reach a point where you look at it and go "hey I don't really need this"

[wind wind]

https://discord.gg/hBZXaDAE

[mighty garden]

Do you have a skill tree I can look at?

[wraith sphinx]

I can share my own gameslantern build but it's a bit outdated compared to what I currently use

actually I will just edit and update it

[mighty garden]

It’s funny that I’m trying to play psyker opposite to how I play other characters

Cuz the others I often go for tank, explosive, or melee builds, but I’m trying to do ranged for psyker

And I love the concept of a psychic gunslinger

And technically I gotta start getting super familiar with all of the classes to the point where auric is a breeze

[wraith sphinx]

Same, which is why I love gun psyker so much

reminds me alittle of arcane warrior spec in dragon age origins

anyways here is mine, updated https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ec65923-24ea-43a2-ab3c-a78b2690bc4a/my-gun-psyker-wassail

Not strictly meta but close to it, and I don't care either way

[mighty garden]

Thanks

[wraith sphinx]

have fun 🫡

[weak sierra]

come on this is a perfectly valid build

10% reload speed perk
70% reload speed from Both Barrels
5 stacks of 10% reload speed from Speedload
7.5% reload speed from Ruthless Efficiency
20% reload speed from No Lenience
20% reload speed from Judicious Efficiency

[mighty garden]

Bro reloads faster than he blinks

Doomslayer ahh build

[zealous wing]

yeah celerity BB is too powerful @orchid sentinel

[orchid sentinel]

Nah that's insane

[long saddle]

until you hit some trash mobs instead

tho there is that mod that lets you only target elites and specials

[zealous wing]

nah if you cant aim or snag a trash mob instead its over quick and you just keep going

[verbal thistle]

Bb is actually easier to aim then people think

Yes it has a high skill ceilings

But since every special and elite are taller then horde just aim higher

All but sniper and dog are taller

[sterile vale]

You can get it even faster if you use the double shield ability, Kinetic Resonance stacks with itself

So drop two shields immediately and go poppin

[weak sierra]

I've noticed that too
aim at the ceiling above them then lower your aim
and it'll probably lock on a special or elite

[zealous wing]

scriers lets you have 10s where you dont overload after you hit 100

if you kill enough you can get SG back before its linger effect even runs out

[edgy smelt]

hmm seems you run out of casting speed buffs before skriers is even over though

[mighty garden]

I should also do an EP build

[zealous wing]

KR is 10s after ability activation, SG stops at 100% peril, then has 10s linger. Psytkinetic aura gives you 4% cooldown per special or elite kill, and with empored psionics, you can get a stack guarenteed on elite kill (like gunners), which is a peril-less faster cast with higher dmg.

if i kill a room of 30 gunners for example, i can do that with free head pops from the safety of cover

if i need to take out something big like 4 crushers, thats where KR helps even more

this isnt a main build btw, though, its just me messing with stuff

[edgy smelt]

oh my point was that this probably could work just as well with shriek or bubble since you dont cap out on peril until after the casting buffs end so linger isnt all that needed (and i say this as a skriers enjoyer)

[zealous wing]

but also, reconlas

[edgy smelt]

ah

i see

[zealous wing]

what i've done ingame is, headcrack until buff runs out, esp if monster, then unload with the gained dmg

they melt

not as fast as my main SG build tho with a combat stim

or maybe same-ish pace

hard to gauge tbh

i dont get the option to solo the monsters often

[verbal thistle]

Try it out, it's my favorite psyker build. Very highly skill ceilings so there is always ways to improve

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f21da34-9e4e-4207-9a96-e666f9f3d329/psyker-havoc-2

This is what I use

[ivory monolith]

So u using curged G button on bosses?

[verbal thistle]

Melee for bosses

Brain burst left click if it's safe

And you have EP stacks

[mighty garden]

Thx

[ivory monolith]

I still think thinking dueling sword is better then blaze sword sword

[mighty garden]

I’m not very in-depth to this game

But I wanna be

[verbal thistle]

Define better?

[ivory monolith]

Its okay everyone is done it in first time

[verbal thistle]

I'm using the force sword for the deflectors perk since this a havoc build and also the special on sword 1 shots mutants. Really the only thing I use it for

[ivory monolith]

At some point

[verbal thistle]

Also obscurus in non havoc has the fastest time to kill a crusher

And dueling sword creates bad habits for new players

I never recommend it

[ivory monolith]

I find myself using sword on mutants only too. U said it one shots mutants on havoc?

[ivory monolith]

Cuz with dueling sword u need 2 headshots or 3 bodyhits

For mutant

[verbal thistle]

Have above 60% peril and hit the head or crit

Either or

Not 100% sure on the exact amount of peril

[dusk timber]

peri/

[verbal thistle]

https://youtu.be/0aCgA8Wm72E?si=QgFWgJoo9QUeBO7i

I use it in this video

[ivory monolith]

Damn if u will run anti specialist thing i think its gonna one shot them consistently

[verbal thistle]

Probably

Well

I run maniac stam

Mutants are maniac

And the stam is for ranged blocking

Unsure if the 5% (?) would change it

[ivory monolith]

I think maniac and specialist are staking

But i will use only one of them anyway cuz i will use 5% crit for build

[verbal thistle]

Go for it. But the part that maniac and specialist stacks I don't think is correct in the calculations

[ivory monolith]

I should test it in hub

[verbal thistle]

@buoyant maple where can I find your damage calculation equation?

[ivory monolith]

Cuz if u run for example extra headshot dmg and elite dmg it will stack for sure

[dusk timber]

huh

[ivory monolith]

Bro are u using actual formulas

U playing in another lvl

[near gale]

That's Ainz for you

A whole other level

[dusk timber]

prob the first time ive seen someone recommend the stamina perk on a weapon

[ivory monolith]

Cuz i still dont feagure out how resistance on enemys work

[near gale]

Ainz is one of the best of the best

[dusk timber]

you mean armor?

[ivory monolith]

Maybe

[summer prairie]

I've basically always had stam on 1h FS

[dusk timber]

ig it makes sense considering psyker only has 1 base stamina and the force swords only give like +2 stamina iirc

[near gale]

@verbal thistle How many hours are you at in darktide, now, Ainz?

.>'

probably 3k at least

[dusk timber]

all of them

[ivory monolith]

Btw its strange cuz in talent says then u run up to +20% dmg on peril overload but then u testing in hub its only 10%

[near gale]

ikr?

[ivory monolith]

Must be resistance

[near gale]

Did you have peril built up?

[ivory monolith]

I tested it at 95 peril and it was only +10% with sword

[dusk timber]

maybe you had other damage bonuses active

[near gale]

non-power damage is additive with non-power damage

[ivory monolith]

Maybe cuz of headshots its not 20% ?

[near gale]

I blame Fatshark

[dusk timber]

headshots are multiplicative

[ivory monolith]

I think i didnt test hits on body

[ivory monolith]

I see now

[dusk timber]

how were you building peril to test it?

[near gale]

with cheese

[ivory monolith]

Staff

[near gale]

Aw

I like cheese...

[dusk timber]

were you killing enemies?

[ivory monolith]

What u mean? I only hited head one time

[dusk timber]

with the staff while building peril

[near gale]

with the staff I think is what they mean

[ivory monolith]

Then turned off talent and hited another one time

[near gale]

I blame Cole

[weak sierra]

it makes me the fastest gun on Atoma
[no I don't actually kill anything other than soft targets]
[but at least I can run out of ammo real fast]

[ivory monolith]

obamna. SODA

[mighty garden]

Just run the Varona instead

Then you REALLY become the epitome of the west

AND kill crushers in 1-2 hits

Depending on your overall build

[ivory monolith]

I think i need to watch someone's gameplay cuz im stuck at havok 25

[near gale]

THat's faster than my boltgun reload speed on arby

[ivory monolith]

For 3 months

[mighty garden]

The agripinaa would be great but it doesn’t have the same amount of oomf that the varona has

[near gale]

veteran reload speed levels lol

[mighty garden]

I love the quick hipfire of the agripinaa but varona is just better if you have fast reloading perks

[verbal thistle]

@ivory monolith

trying to find the perk damage increase section

[near gale]

Another Ainz W

[verbal thistle]

"+% damage vs armor type Edit
+damage vs armor type stacks additively with itself, but is a separate multiplicative step in overall calculation for damage.

The majority of them come in the form of weapon perks."

perks are additively with itself but a separate multiplicative step for total damage

If I am reading this correctly

[mighty garden]

What kinda statistics majors came up with this shit lmao

[near gale]

10/10 gif in zealot chat, Ainz

[mighty garden]

Bros could’ve gone into economics or stocks, but went into video game damage multiplicatives

[ivory monolith]

Hm i think i will rethink my build a little

[verbal thistle]

a good idea for perks is always flak + maniac

certain weapons vary a little

but flak and manaic are the most common armour

[ivory monolith]

Btw what is best perks for blaze sword

[verbal thistle]

flak/maniac/unyield/cara

stamnia if you are blocking bullets with deflector

[ivory monolith]

I seen u using bubble in ur build. Why would i need to deflect bullets

Or it need more for another ults?

[verbal thistle]

when you dont have bubble or if you arent running bubble

[ivory monolith]

I see

[summer prairie]

most psyker FS builds get very little value out of vs breed perks

[ivory monolith]

Breed perks)

[verbal thistle]

amour classes

I assume

[mighty garden]

Breeding perks?

Sounds like

yucky

[buoyant maple]

In steam guide, end damage illustration

[summer prairie]

the game calls enemy types breeds and I was thinking the specific enemy types that actually benefit from the armor perk

[ivory monolith]

Hey Ainz. What is the best blessings for blaze sword?

[upper sun]

which

[ivory monolith]

Which he using

Blaze force sword

Btw which blaze sword is better? Short or long one

Im enjoying long one more

[zealous wing]

there's illisi, deimos, and obscurus blaze force swords, then theres the 2 force greatsword marks

the three force sword marks all do very different things

in the video ainz is using obscurus i believe, with a deimos skin on it

[edgy smelt]

unless im looking at a different video the skin is just an obscurus with the chunky uniform straight look while the deimos has weird tip... flared i believe its called but not sure

[zealous wing]

its a deimos skin

[edgy smelt]

im looking at a different vid

[ripe obsidian]

All force swords can use that skin

[edgy smelt]

yeah

all weapons that only differ in marks can share skins

[edgy smelt]

yeah i was looking at the forwarded clip two messages above that

[zealous wing]

i want the FGS mark 8 to be a skin for my mk 6

this thing is so pretty

[edgy smelt]

yeah default skins

rip

[zealous wing]

like just... gimme

[ornate hamlet]

I want psyker with both power sword and blaze sword ⚔️ dual wield @zealous wing

[median furnace]

Apart from the Mortis Operative skins though, I think each mark has a different version of the skin.

[edgy smelt]

yeah and as hexis pointed out, default skins too

[zealous wing]

the only skin for FGS is the mastery skin

[median furnace]

That crossguard looks so elegant.

Pls chubbyshrimp, gib FGS skins

[zealous wing]

look at this horror

[sturdy reef]

https://tenor.com/bTpWB.gif

[edgy smelt]

the hand gaurd just looks like a dowel rod though and i cant unsee it

[ornate hamlet]

Eww why red 🫠

[zealous wing]

and this is mk 6

[zealous wing]

because all the mastery skins are red and white for some reason

[edgy smelt]

kinda looks like an enlarged obscurus

[ornate hamlet]

I mean it can't be green ,cuz orks are green

[zealous wing]

yeah but like

idk,

black?

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/lotr-orc-theyre-fresh-what-about-gif-11345128

[zealous wing]

red and black would automatically look better

[ornate hamlet]

Omfg wrong orks

[dusk timber]

i think its supposed to be mechanicus color palettes?

[zealous wing]

or, dont paint the fucking blade

[dusk timber]

theres also plenty of gold in those skins

[dusk timber]

fair

[ornate hamlet]

Fck the omnissayah

[edgy smelt]

would be nice if they were more yellow and gold

[dusk timber]

some weapons look really fucking nice with them though

[zealous wing]

yeah some do

some

[dusk timber]

arb shield and maul is divine with it

[ornate hamlet]

[long saddle]

reg blaze sword has a great premium skin like that

[ornate hamlet]

I still need to lv up my arby

[long saddle]

this one

[zealous wing]

illisi is

give me a bigger illisi

[zealous wing]

wwait is that there now?

or is that old

[edgy smelt]

port over vt2 great sword pretty much with a warp attack

[zealous wing]

its not there now

so its useless 🙃

[long saddle]

it's from a few months back

[ornate hamlet]

U can't have illisi as great sword

[zealous wing]

there are no cosmetics for FGS

[long saddle]

just let ogryn use an unpowered one

there's two for FGS

[zealous wing]

the default mastery skin is the only skin the FGS has

[long saddle]

I got the icefall one

[ornate hamlet]

Also @zealous wing

[edgy smelt]

icefall would be my choice if i had money

[zealous wing]

yeah and? where the fuck are they? in the "it might come back in the next year" bin

[long saddle]

I mean with that logic there are basically no cosmetics ever

[edgy smelt]

yeah rotating store and fomo but they do exist

[zealous wing]

most other weapons have skins in the commisary

the DS has two in commodore right now

i'd probably go with the red one tbh

for the FGS

adds to the anime side/main character appearance my dude keeps having

[dusk timber]

thats the one you purchase with dockets right?

[zealous wing]

ye

[marble crater]

Hexis, this all makes a lot more sense once you remember that Arbites has received no new cosmetics since release

[zealous wing]

its been like 7 weeks

[dusk timber]

pretty sure that store only has skins for stuff that was there on day 1 right?

[edgy smelt]

yeah, but thats also when they would make the most money, due to hype. them not releasing much is telling

[dusk timber]

nothing for the post-launch weapons

[ornate hamlet]

Wait what?

[marble crater]

Every shop rotation it's the same cosmetics

[long saddle]

ye there's only a red recolor of the coat outfit in the datafiles

[ornate hamlet]

So rip dt?

[zealous wing]

im starting to believe the theory that the cosmetics for arby wont happen until arby gets fixed

[long saddle]

hasn't it been tho

[ornate hamlet]

Whats wrong with arby?

[long saddle]

execution used to not work

[zealous wing]

"WhAtS wRoNg WiTh ArBy"

[lunar marsh]

their shotguns are... the best of the game

[edgy smelt]

the shotguns are pure dopamine and a little to insane

[ornate hamlet]

I don't play arby how the fck should i know you act like i live 24/7 in this game

[zealous wing]

here

a small example

19 bullets, to kill a crusher

there are people refusing to melee as arby, calling in coms for us to find them ammo, even on difficulties like fucking malice

[ornate hamlet]

[zealous wing]

its bad habit incarnate and its way overtuned

[edgy smelt]

O.o

[long saddle]

melee arby is the most fun tho

[edgy smelt]

i havent run into that yet

[ornate hamlet]

I think you need to stop playing DT @zealous wing

[zealous wing]

i check arby chat sometimes and ill see people begging for builds that need no melee

or that shit needs buffs

[edgy smelt]

and here i thought arby melee was kruber pilled

[zealous wing]

it IS

[ornate hamlet]

[zealous wing]

but its people who are already bad at the game being given a build they think will make them invulnerable, then they die in room 1 of auric, quit, and the bot literally survives just fine til 3/4 the mission

[modest perch]

werent you saying heresy was too spicy like last week

[zealous wing]

... no?

[edgy smelt]

im pretty sure all heresy is spicy after the appropriate amount of flamer is administered

[zealous wing]

heresy QP perhaps was intimidating me, but its fine now im over the fear of failure

[ornate hamlet]

[zealous wing]

there WAS a spicy heresy incident, where i spawned in and had to immediately clutch like a week ago

[modest perch]

clearly we should balance classes around heresy then

or perhaps malice ?

[marble crater]

I can't believe clad missed the entire arc of Hexis turning into a pro gamer

[modest perch]

tragic

[edgy smelt]

bring back sedition and balance around that

[marble crater]

The guy who shot the pox burster door next to you

[ornate hamlet]

Not him,who is clad?

[marble crater]

The guy who was visiting his parents this past week instead of shitposting here like usual @upper sun

[ornate hamlet]

I call him sharkdude

[upper sun]

its ok i've always believed in him

someone has to take the mantel after i.....

got diagnosed with carpel tunnel

[marble crater]

[ornate hamlet]

[marble crater]

Rip

[ornate hamlet]

At least its better than diabetes

[upper sun]

diabetes is unironically more treatable

[ornate hamlet]

No cure and barely any treatment for diabetes

[marble crater]

Just don't eat sugar, or do, smh

[upper sun]

just steal a pancreas noob

[ornate hamlet]

Everything has sugar in it,like stuff for diabetics HAVE SUGAR IN IT,i was like wtf 😒

[ornate hamlet]

Can i get yours?

[zealous wing]

because if your bloodsugar gets too low, you die

[upper sun]

can i get your median nerve?

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/annoyed-face-gif-25409193

[ornate hamlet]

It has been dmg by diabetes

[upper sun]

🚬

i guess were both fucked huh

[ornate hamlet]

Yy i have early stage of polyneuropathy

It will get worse

No cure

[upper sun]

yaaas queen slayyy

[ornate hamlet]

[upper sun]

also

unironically sugar just does that to everyone

diabetics get those problems because sugar stays in their system for longer

[ornate hamlet]

Funny, diabetes can also be unlocked from Covid69,or stress

In my case stress

Like 5 car crashes,2 times i fell from scaffolding etc.

[upper sun]

omg

house taught me that one

[lunar marsh]

oh wow

[ornate hamlet]

Did he teach you about mixing different drugs?

[marble crater]

How are you alive?

[ornate hamlet]

My mom is the 1st in her family who got diabetes,she got it when I was 17 and got into my 1st car crash,i was not driving

[lunar marsh]

I hope you're all fine except well... Diabete

[ornate hamlet]

I was gifted a good body, actually my first incident was when i was 15,a dude throws beer bottle from the 9th floor, got hit in the back of the head ,3 months in comma , now sometimes i slutter,and my photo memory is gone

[lunar marsh]

was he drunk

he must have been

[ornate hamlet]

Yes

[marble crater]

The fuck

[ornate hamlet]

He used to do that to scare kids,he was pedo,he is ded now

[lunar marsh]

Karma does exist then

[marble crater]

Good

[ornate hamlet]

Every week some dad will beat him up

For some reason

[upper sun]

hell yeah

[ornate hamlet]

He didn't learn

[lunar marsh]

good dads

[ornate hamlet]

My dad and brother beat him almost every week

After i got out of hospital after movement recovery,i went and beat him,3 weeks later he died

[lunar marsh]

Men are the reason i always have a taser on me when i'm out

[lunar marsh]

not ur fault

but good job

[ornate hamlet]

I know

He owes money

Owed*

[lunar marsh]

so he got killed ?

[ornate hamlet]

Soo staby staby

[lunar marsh]

For debt

right

[ornate hamlet]

Yes be did

He*

[lunar marsh]

Which country were you in ?

[ornate hamlet]

Bulgaria

[lunar marsh]

So I don't go there

[ornate hamlet]

[lunar marsh]

Shite, i've been close, i've been to romania

[ornate hamlet]

I am helping my parents now,i am still in my home city

Oh it was worse before ur new gov

In Romania i mean

[lunar marsh]

Sadly I am not aware of eastern europe politic

[ornate hamlet]

Oh u french?

[lunar marsh]

Yes, born and raised, with half scottish blood

[ornate hamlet]

French women best in bed

[lunar marsh]

i know we know

sadly i'm on the other side

[marble crater]

It's spelled Fr*nch

[ornate hamlet]

I spend 3y in Canterbury,which is very close to UK port,from there almost every weekend in France

[lunar marsh]

Oh you went near I live

[ornate hamlet]

[lunar marsh]

I mean french girls are frisky

[ornate hamlet]

Especially if u have decent wine

[lunar marsh]

Nuh uh mate

[ornate hamlet]

Oh boi

[lunar marsh]

Some of us like beer

good beer

[ornate hamlet]

Ok ok

Austrian or czech beer?

[lunar marsh]

Austrian

or belgium

[ornate hamlet]

There u go

[lunar marsh]

My favourite is called paix dieu

[ornate hamlet]

However i don't drink or smoke

[lunar marsh]

which is a 10% beer

[ornate hamlet]

Ur liver will thank u,if u don't drink it

Anyways 🤔 something something psyker

[modest perch]

feed this to the ogryns pls

[deft stump]

You already threw helping ppl with MM to others already. What's new?

[ornate hamlet]

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/flame-gif-24195796

Karien flaming

[ornate hamlet]

She is a flamer thats for sure 😁

[upper sun]

ignoring the team and running a head

[marble crater]

Why is Karien so mean, damn

[deft stump]

So being awful, kay.

[ornate hamlet]

Usually she tells the ugly truth

[upper sun]

i am no longer being awful 🙏

[marble crater]

I doubt you can play better with CTS, so you are still awful

[upper sun]

🚬 its only MILD okay i just have to wait out the flareup

and never play taxe again

[marble crater]

Do wrist exercises and wear a splint during the night

[upper sun]

i do stretches ye

[marble crater]

Splint during the night, trust

I don't have problems at the moment, but I still wear it, because I hope it's having a preventive effect

Had no issues after I started wearing it, so I guess it's working

[upper sun]

🚬 im not paying for one when im just gonna end up getting the surgery in 15 years when it gets worse

[marble crater]

It's like 6€ in Aldi

[upper sun]

6 euro i could turn into ground meat

[zealous wing]

[wraith sphinx]

guys if you were psykers irl and had to perform some sort of act of divination or future-seeing would you dare say "I scry with my little eye" out loud

[pale prairie]

“My beloved told me about…”

[marble crater]

If I were a psyker irl I would say a lot more weird things, if that means I can do psyker stuff

[fiery stratus]

Does having Psyker powers enable me to Smite asshole drivers through my window when they can't drive?

[wind wind]

Only in front of the right crowd

[wind wind]

Imagine you could lift the car with one hand and just darth vader stile crush it

[fiery stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/crash-gif-26444423

[gray juniper]

So you guys that got into helldivers, tell me something

Are you bot divers or bug divers?

[marble crater]

Whatever the major order and personal order tell me to be

[pale prairie]

Depends on what I feel like. It’s nice to mix it up

[wind wind]

Is helldivers worth it? Also, is it pvp?

[pale prairie]

I think it’s pretty fun. I would watch some YouTube and see if it’s the kind of gameplay you like. It is not PVP

[wind wind]

How similar is it to the dark tide?

[strong gulch]

pre squid days
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxB7BFcOx9Zgunz6um30FCZiOgA0nM8Uim

[wind wind]

I'll look into it

[fiery stratus]

Not at all, its a thirdperson shooter. Most similar thing is they have something like dodging, and you can dive.

[strong gulch]

Helldivers is PVE but there is friendly fire.

That can lead to funny revenge things.

[zealous wing]

or people murdering you for resources, no?

[strong gulch]

no extra resources for killing teammates

[wind wind]

Imagine DT had that

Rumblergryns would be feared

[pale prairie]

It’s similar in that you have to brain storm a build that accounts for multiple enemy types and enemies. It’s also similar in that you face hordes of enemies. One of the differences is that you are not a super hero. You will die. It’s about reducing that death count if you can.

[zealous wing]

and their bombs, and VB stave, EK stave, smite, assail, BB

[wind wind]

Isnt it also that every death is canon?

[zealous wing]

how funny though if you accidentally BB your teammate

[pale prairie]

Yep “average” helldiver lifespan is over 2 min

[wind wind]

People would find and murder each other irl

[pale prairie]

Then the next guy or gal comes down and is a DIFFERENT person

[zealous wing]

[jovial juniper]

I've been bugging out

More than botted likes award

[marble crater]

4 psykers vs 1 hab dreyko
Who won?

[upper sun]

psykers until a boss spawned

OR

until end event

[wind wind]

Depression
Depression won

[marble crater]

The psykers won

[near gale]

depression

Hab dreyko has had so many bad experiences for me x.x

[zealous wing]

nothing feels better than being a psyker, having to do a lights out mission, alone, then an oggy drops in and its their first lights out mission ever. bro stuck so close to me it was glorious (my reconlas has a flashlight)

a taunt ogryn no less

it went so much smoother than if i'd been by myself

[wind wind]

Those tight gloomy alleeys are really something in the beginning

[wind wind]

Lucky sun of a gun.

[wind wind]

You got spoiled and pampered rotten

[zealous wing]

it was ALSO hab dreyko

[wind wind]

I hate lights out. Lights out, poxgas and sniper gauntlet. I usually avoid those

[zealous wing]

me too but i needed one more investigation

99/100 is too cruel

but now i need one more lights out

it is weird though i prefer lights out over vent purge

probably because you cant see much of anything, whereas in vent purge you can still kinda see, but its more eye strain. in lights out you've either got a flashlight, or you pray someone else does, and you listen

[gray juniper]

Respectable

Apparently there’s a bot fighting segment of the game that takes it too seriously

But I’d want to do both tbh

[marble crater]

Both? There are three enemy factions

[gray juniper]

Oh my word god bless our troops

[gray juniper]

Oh yea. Based update

[marble crater]

Apparently people hate fighting the Illuminate, they are pretty much a mix of Covenant and Flood, Xbox divers were born to fight them

[strong gulch]

I should log in to mooch any major order metals off the helldivers who are actually completing the orders.

[marble crater]

Yeah this current one is going to fail for sure

[gray juniper]

This is fact checked by real gamers to be absolute fax

Those halo golden days

I think that was the first time since disk gaming that people feared a pistol on multiplayer

[marble crater]

I miss the Halo 1 magnum

[pale prairie]

sometimes they do that for story. I think this time is teach Xboxer's that sometimes you can't win

[wispy bay]

Nah, CS 1.0 and 1.1 have the DEagle before, which was 3 hit at all range.

[marble crater]

I think they are teaching us that Helldivers can't read

[strong gulch]

of course they can't

[sand path]

what is the best monstrosity killer ranged wep for psyker?

[verbal thistle]

infantry auto gun

[strong gulch]

vraks 5

[verbal thistle]

or las pistol

[sand path]

thanks

care to share a SS of a vraks 5 or a heavy laspistol ?

so I know how to build

[gray juniper]

What is this counter strike?

[zinc phoenix]

I just flame stick

Easier to see when everything is a torch

[zealous wing]

also true

but, the plague ogryn at the start always makes me glad i have a gun, and when i dont have one, i wish i did

[sand path]

mk 10 or 2?

[verbal thistle]

2 has faster boss ttk

[zinc phoenix]

Stab it to death

When life gives you an ogryn make ogrynade

[sand path]

do u remember the blessings?

[verbal thistle]

dumdum infernus

[strong gulch]

with unyielding and I think flak

or is it unyielding and maniac

[zinc phoenix]

I tend to like crit chance on fire guns

[strong gulch]

or that

[pale prairie]

I don't know what this says but I agree

praise be the event is done

[sand path]

is charged strike worth it?

o rbait

[strong gulch]

no

is meme

[jovial juniper]

Is meme

Scales poorly against monstrosities

Just like smite

[wispy bay]

If charged strike increase the cleave, it might worth something.

[zealous wing]

increased cleave or guarenteed stun, something

as it stands, smite is comparatively useless to the other 2 blitzes

[dusk timber]

Unfortunately

[zealous wing]

the event was really its only use, to specifically stun burster chains

[dusk timber]

😔

[zealous wing]

but you bring that to a mael and youre gon die

i even made a smite build to test in psych and its like... but why tho. i get its fun and definitely effective in uprising and malice, but i brought it to auric psych and it does basically no dmg at all, so even for "crowd control" youre just throwing off everyones timings and delaying your inevitable death by mere moments if you have no crowd clear weaponry

like i do understand the "oh hey it pauses everything this is good" but then, most people forget the "ok whats next?"

[dusk timber]

Also unlike chorus which also pauses everything it doesnt do much for your teammates

[ripe obsidian]

Smite builds can absolutely shine in Auric. Everyone will just hate you.

Smite isn't weak. It's very strong if used properly. But most smykers just hold RMB

And in many cases, at least in high havoc, the low damage output means you really need a teammate to take advantage of the CC

[thorn cedar]

the trap in havocs specifically is that hitmass determines propagation speed, making EP almost mandatory to have it lock down and spread through hordes the way youd want it to

the 10% extra damage also helps this a touch but not by much

and EP basically makes the rest of your kit suck

[dusk timber]

Also some of the time intervals for smite are rng right?

[thorn cedar]

cant say tbh

you definitely dont get to decide where itll jump to next

[zealous wing]

ye im testing it with EP rn and that seems to only be the viable way for it to actually CLEAR a horde, but definitely not a mixed one, quickly

its kinda sad because it IS kinda fun but its proper use case is so specific

and again, loathing

[dusk timber]

Meanwhile with assail you spam lmb and it just does what its supposed to

[thorn cedar]

assail EP is just an exercise in wasted output

[ripe obsidian]

I didn't realize Smite was so hitmass reliant. I will need to look more into it

[thorn cedar]

your shards will have more cleave than they do flight time

[dusk timber]

I mean like

[zealous wing]

you CAN spam assail, yeah, or you can use them sparingly and control them as they fly around

[dusk timber]

Smite needs a ton of investment just to work

[thorn cedar]

oh, yeah

well i mean

you dont really have to go all in like that, but it definitely loses its clutch-ability when it starts to take 50%+ more time to jump between trash targets

[dusk timber]

With assail you just swap to them, lmb a couple times and go back to whatever youre doing

[thorn cedar]

it's still just as good against all other targets

[zealous wing]

wdym

it adds cleave?

[thorn cedar]

yea but like, too much, ironically

shards have a fixed flight time

[thorn cedar]

you'll rarely have a shard hit more than six targets before it disappears but EP will let you hit up to 10

and i mean RARELY for six

[dusk timber]

What if it also increased the speed it travels

[thorn cedar]

it could, sadly it doesnt

its flightpath is also cracked out as fuck

its not trying to be efficient so much as flashy

[zealous wing]

idk this has saved me a couple times already tbh

and free shards are free shards

[dusk timber]

This node is really cool

[zealous wing]

if i get hit i can literally just throw one or two and im fine to keep killing

[thorn cedar]

fact of the matter is that you get more damage out of Assail from DD, while DD also boosts everything else you're doing, without having the wasted output from EP's additional (over)cleave

[zealous wing]

the issue im finding with DD is it changes where my focus is

[thorn cedar]

thats a feature

[zealous wing]

which, ik is the point but like

[thorn cedar]

kiill the skittlemen

[dusk timber]

Assail also doesnt need EP like the other two blitzes do tbh

[zealous wing]

with DD its easy for me to wander a bit further than im supposed to

i see tagged enemy i kill

which is good, unless theres something worse behind me

[dusk timber]

Again assail is pretty much ready right from the start without needing a lot more investment for it

[thorn cedar]

wont stop me from throwing out 2k damage shards tho

[dusk timber]

True

[zealous wing]

valid, but, im just not at the "keep focus where its needed when its needed" deal yet

im in the "stay alive" mode

i still have DD on my BK build though so i can and do get practice

i've mainly just been in "testing shit to see what works together and what doesnt" tbh

and yes ik everyones done the maths already and all but, me things

[dusk timber]

Speaking of bubble i hope it becomes the default version of shield

Rathet than a modifier

[prime elk]

EP assail feels so good tho

[dusk timber]

Like noone is seriously using the non-bubble shield

[prime elk]

hahah shards go brrrrrrrt

[zealous wing]

well the "it stops charging muties and dogs and busters" part is useful

[strong gulch]

Ye. There's a funny interaction with charged strike and enfeeble with FGS heavies into bulwark shields.

[thorn cedar]

;_;

[dusk timber]

You could prob still have that as an modifier if shield does become the default version

[zealous wing]

nah tbh its fine imo

[thorn cedar]

i'd still rather see bubble soft-reworked first

[zealous wing]

bubble lets you stand in the middle of a room, but the wall still lets you block a doorway

[dusk timber]

How so?

[thorn cedar]

ostensibly the intent is to put the shield on your teammates so that they have a space to fight inside of, and that still does happen

but the optimal bubble placement is literally never where your team is, it's putting it right on the enemy and then pushing your team into it

because of the unlisted projectile-deletion that it's coded to have from enemies that are inside of it

[dusk timber]

Huh

[zealous wing]

i do that

[dusk timber]

Weird

[thorn cedar]

which i think is intensely lame

[zealous wing]

reaper? bubble him

now i just shoot him but, it worked

[thorn cedar]

it also defeats the benefit of wall shield being able to bounce specials away when bubble shield can let them in and they just neuter themselves

who cares if trappers run in and shoot if the net just instantly disappears

[zealous wing]

BoN also

[thorn cedar]

yea BoN too but i also dont like BoN design either so im like ... ok with that lmao

[zealous wing]

[thorn cedar]

two wrongs making a right, sorta

[tulip kettle]

this is the one thing you shouldnt rely on

[dusk timber]

What about it?

[tulip kettle]

trapper nets inside bubble are buggy

you can often get caught anyway

[thorn cedar]

team caught out by shooters, you bubble your teammates = bubble lasts less than seven seconds and evaporates
team caught out by shooters, you bubble the shooters = bubble lasts its entire duration because no projectiles actually fire

[tulip kettle]

if you are close to the trapper

[zealous wing]

the main strategy for killing a BoN is bubble its face so it cant vomit

[dusk timber]

Oh

[tulip kettle]

but otherwise yes it deletes projectiles inside it

and yeah it just makes BoN basically not exist

[strong gulch]

put a cup on the bug

[zealous wing]

ye

[tulip kettle]

now im imagining a GIANT piece of paper

we gently put the BoN outside

[thorn cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/music-pots-and-pans-muppets-swedish-chef-cooking-gif-15185041

[zealous wing]

carry it back outside

[tulip kettle]

lil slug guy just wants a hug anyway

[zealous wing]

[dusk timber]

Maybe remove the projectile deletion from enemies inside the bubble but make it not destructible?

[thorn cedar]

but yeah current dome implementation is far too generous and steps on the toes of one of wall's 'bespoke' upgrades that cost a talent point which leaves a sour taste in my mouth

[strong gulch]

That time slugs invaded one of my rooms and messed up some books. 😭

[dusk timber]

That way you arent punished for using it how its intended

[tulip kettle]

its not "too generous"

[thorn cedar]

i'd be fine with dome lasting a static amount of time

[strong gulch]

Make walls tall enough for oggy

[tulip kettle]

you are sacrificing huge amounts of utility and damage by taking it

[thorn cedar]

compared to wall, not compared to other abilities

[tulip kettle]

well, fair enough

but its also much more static

[thorn cedar]

as a whole i still think shields are just plain bad

[tulip kettle]

walls are better for highly mobile play

bubble is better for more static play

[dusk timber]

How so?

[tulip kettle]

especially with the toughness gen and TDR on dissapation

you get 2 of them

[thorn cedar]

two walls vs. one bubble

yeah

[dusk timber]

Oh

[thorn cedar]

so there's always a cooldown running

plus you havent lived til you rotate and plop a wall down to block a sniper shot for a teammate

[tulip kettle]

and the bouncing specials utility of walls is not to be underestimated

though the fact it doesnt work on the pack of hounds modifier is a bit stupid

[thorn cedar]

which is currently bugged and stops 20x more enemies than it's meant to and STILL people dont wanna use it

[zealous wing]

😭 what

it doesnt work on hounds?

[tulip kettle]

yeah the trash hounds from the modifier just run right through it

[thorn cedar]

hounds are goofy, it works and doesnt work

[tulip kettle]

it works on normal hounds

[zealous wing]

oh i see