psyker-class

[tulip kettle]

just quell after the heavy attack

[wind wind]

[deft stump]

They should make it so I can deflector shooters while picking up.

[zinc phoenix]

It used to be that way

[zinc phoenix]

They nerfed deflector because people turned psyker into immortal revive engine

[wind wind]

Make deflector great again

[deft stump]

I mean 12 stam, stam regen and KD.

Block effi to meme harder.

[zinc phoenix]

Yes that was what people did

[tulip kettle]

just so much overkill

[zinc phoenix]

They’d run comical amounts of stam and block everything

[tulip kettle]

for such a niche situation

take damage and kill the stuff instead

[zinc phoenix]

Yes but you could also walk around just ignoring most enemies

[deft stump]

You mean, bees?

[zinc phoenix]

They changed things so there are more block interrupts now

[wind wind]

Usually i use just unyielding carapace on any wepaon

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/not-the-bees-gif-26245123

[deft stump]

Oh. Still get to bs certain situations though.

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/waow-based-wow-thinking-doodle-gif-12262272166408784207

[stark haven]

😄

I think the warp battery might be worth it on higher difficulties, lots of elites and specialists to kill and yeld warp charges from

[marble crater]

Opposite actually, there are so many elites that psy aura gives you so much cooldown reduction that you don't really need it

[stark haven]

Okei 😮

[fading shoal]

4 warp charges is not a lot and having 6 charges needs 2 skill points to be used up

[stark haven]

Hm

[stark haven]

Yeah and I think two points for me actually

I just closed the game, but I don't think I have the one above it

[marble crater]

That on the other hand is a problem

[zealous wing]

if you have the base 4, thats +16% base dmg

[fading shoal]

My bad, 2 skill points

[stark haven]

Yeah, I don't have that one

I had though... I have hard time allocating my points 🙁

[marble crater]

You need that one and one of the two on the side for more warp charges

[zealous wing]

yeah its real restrictive

there are so many cases where i feel even one more point would be mega useful

[marble crater]

Oh no...

Hexis, why?

[zealous wing]

what

im on my berserk fuckaround build

[marble crater]

But... EP charges on elite kills, always

[zealous wing]

its too much a hassle to guarentee elite kills

[marble crater]

https://tenor.com/view/despair-wtf-omg-jessicalang-gif-7723723

[zealous wing]

elites are like, snipers and dreg ragers

right?

[edgy smelt]

gunners too

[dusk timber]

snipers are specialists

[edgy smelt]

yeah

[zealous wing]

idk, if i cant tell the difference it doesnt matter

[dusk timber]

ogryns are also elites

[marble crater]

Ragers, Maulers, Crushers, Reapers, Bulwarks, Gunners, Shotgunners

[zealous wing]

besides, its for a KR /KF / SG build, so its built up enough just fine

[edgy smelt]

and they are all over the place not in short supply

[zealous wing]

ye i can never remember tf elites

why are they fucking seperate

[stark haven]

I went back ingame just to add the empyrean empowerment

OPening this game is like a patience simulator

And makes you more mindful when to close it and open it

[dusk timber]

specialists' main purpose is mostly to disrupt your team in some way

[fading shoal]

Me with darktide mod loader that skips the intros:

[zealous wing]

just... click or spam spacebar?

[stark haven]

I cant copypaste screenshots here it seems

[zealous wing]

not yet, you need orange, so a lil more talking

[fading shoal]

I'm using mods anyway. Skipping the intros is a bonus feature

[dusk timber]

bombers and flamers have area denial, muties, dogs and trappers are disablers, bursters can separate your team with the knockback

[fading shoal]

Need to chat more and get Convict role

[stark haven]

I have rly hard time allocating my points

[dusk timber]

snipers though ehhh

[stark haven]

I don't think I can squeeze anymore

Perhaps ditch the perilous combustion

[marble crater]

Nooo

[edgy smelt]

snipers and bursters disrupt your team by removing members yep logic is sound

[marble crater]

There a builds in the pins, if you need something to start

[stark haven]

I started with readymade builds, but I'm looking to build something to suit my playstyle

Lots of purgus, support and force blading

[dusk timber]

i mean bursters do disrupt your positioning with the knockback

[zealous wing]

there happy now

[marble crater]

Yes

[dusk timber]

and its not like every other specialist has low damage either

[zealous wing]

wait til you see the rest of this fucking tree

[marble crater]

Please no, I have a family

[zealous wing]

though to be fair its probably fine

its literally just, me having fun

[edgy smelt]

and snipers disrupt by knocking and making it hard to res by kinda covering the body requiring them to be dealt with (or the just shoot you while your down its 50/50) but yeah your right though

[stark haven]

Thanks for ur advices, gym time now

[dusk timber]

also lack of a distinct sound cue for spawning

at least a noticeable one

[tulip kettle]

but the best death sound

GUH

[zealous wing]

suffer

[tulip kettle]

the fuck s this

[zealous wing]

its me fucking with shit

[tulip kettle]

what are you running it with?

[edgy smelt]

when i saw the ep zoom in pick i was worried it was a smite build

[tulip kettle]

and SG + BB with KR is... questionable

[zealous wing]

i WAS using it with the taxe, then illisi, now its back to FGS, and reconlas

[marble crater]

I hate this so much, I'm going to walk my dog

[tulip kettle]

what are you even using BB for with that

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-i-hate-it-i-dont-like-it-hate-it-gif-20134478

[zealous wing]

it lets me BB as much as i want for the KR time frame, then during the lingering time from SG i can use my gun

[tulip kettle]

but why use bb at all

[zealous wing]

because fun

[tulip kettle]

yeah but if you want to use bb for fun do this but with walls

youre getting like none of the benefits of the SG nodes

i dont understand

[zealous wing]

i also use it for combat

[tulip kettle]

meh you do you honey g

[zealous wing]

not just BB

its just if i WANT to use BB

[tulip kettle]

so you invest 6 nodes

into a "if i want to"

madness

[zealous wing]

i DID say it was for fun

gotta keep things interesting somehow

[thorn cedar]

i think ive done that build before

i unironically do enjoy double shield BB EP

[jovial juniper]

Yeah it's peak hands gameplay

[thorn cedar]

grab em by the perils and twist it

i still feel BB is unfairly maligned but i also recognize that most players did not build up one year of stockholm syndrome with the thing before we got the trees rework

[wraith sphinx]

No way how you put it it's underwhelming, sorry.

Very unwieldy blitz too

Despite probably over a 100 hours of using it I still lock on to a wrong target sometimes

[thorn cedar]

see that's the problem

you need 500 hours

[wraith sphinx]

No I don't

[thorn cedar]

thats an order

[wraith sphinx]

I'll stick to assail 😌

[thorn cedar]

start twistin

yea year one there was no choice and you actually can get pretty good with BB

i swear its just about precharhing

[wraith sphinx]

Lower brainburst charge time and replace kr with something more usable and we'll talk

[jovial juniper]

Max height
Aim above the crowd

Since pretty much every elite/specialist will have higher hitbox or whatever used for aiming like that

Except dog because dog

[zinc phoenix]

just did a fun auric with another psyker. ended up being a duo

it was the one where you have to grab ammo from the two trains

very painful to do duo

[jovial juniper]

Logistratum

[zinc phoenix]

i had to clutch a couple times

but we got it done in the end

i went full lock in LOL

[zinc phoenix]

its ok ill get it in another three years LMAO

[jovial juniper]

💀

Don't mix Chasm Logistratum with Chasm Station

[wraith sphinx]

Explodes your mind irl

[jovial juniper]

Mah fucken mind

[wraith sphinx]

I know that mf but it still happens like once every 100 brain bursts because the targeting is a bit dog

[zinc phoenix]

this has been very fun https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9fce5205-41a1-43c7-a3ae-800443d0a32c/psykarrrrr

the sheer amount of high end enemies + assail weaving means i tend to get pretty good toughness regen + its aoe which i like (talking about psychic leech which is objectively poor lol)

voidstrike is fun so im just doing it

ive been running it in havocs and if the team can handle no bubble/theres another psyker it works well

also i just cannot get enough of warp speed

maxed out assail solves a lot of otherwise annoying/difficult encounters

and same with voidstrike, i just dont use it unless its a corridor fight/carapace and then i unload

the left click is solid for interrupts when running at flamers just like a db shotty would be so thats fine at least

[green finch]

I haven't played psycher since maybe release of the game.. would it be worth it for me to remake my character just to level up and experience the different skills and such or will I be okay?

[zinc phoenix]

theres basically no reason to go thru level up if you dont have to

[green finch]

righto! Back in my day shakes fist psychers only had shout and head popper!

[zinc phoenix]

i mean my psyker is from beta lol

[jovial juniper]

Yes

Launch psyker was horrendous

[green finch]

Fair enough, I'm just a bit overwhelmed by all the changes.

[jovial juniper]

Nowadays psyker truly embodies the glass cannon archetype

It just uh

Has a slow start

💀

[green finch]

Really? I feel squishier as a veteran

I play ogryn for the soul purpose of not feeling squishy

[dusk timber]

i'd prefer if it didnt need to fully charge on enemies where the full damage would be overkill

like if its damage scaled with charge time from zero to full damage and if the damage would be enough to kill the enemy it activates earlier

[static sonnet]

That'd be a legendary change

[zinc phoenix]

that would actually be a great change

[prime elk]

psyker gets a lot of active defensive tools

it's up to the player to use those well because their base defensive stats are on the low end

[dusk timber]

maybe you could also still choose to overcharge with the rmb mode and it does something extra depending on how much overkill you did

[static sonnet]

I also hate being slowed while using it

[zealous wing]

then slide while doing it

[static sonnet]

I do

I slide into dodge slide

[dusk timber]

how much slowdown is it?

[static sonnet]

Would still rather sprint

[zealous wing]

i think it slows to the same speed you quell at

[zinc phoenix]

the number of people who just commit suicide one after the other trying to revive is astounding

[dusk timber]

tbh i think the slowdown should be reduced or just removed

[zinc phoenix]

im goofing around with a zap stick ep bb spam build and its pretty fun

sorta relies on fire to do anything

but whatever i have my taser and left click

[dusk timber]

also ngl i find it really funny how the main reason for getting bb as your blitz doesnt require using bb at all lmao

[zinc phoenix]

but if you can its fun

[dusk timber]

im talking about flayer

or whatever the modifier that gives your attacks a chance to trigger bb is called

[zealous wing]

kinetic flayer, yeah

to the point where you're told to spam staff primary (if not inferno) to try and hit a sniper instead of yknow, grabbing it quickly and taking it out

[icy breach]

As long as kf is not on inferno you’re gucci

[dusk timber]

yeah i find that funny (in a bad way)

like "who thought of this lmao"

[zealous wing]

yeah its another kind of bad habit imo, to pretend you dont have a highly precise high damage solution to a problem

especially if youre a bad shot

its mainly why im running this build

to practise with shit

if the tree gets a rework and the stuff im currently testing get to be more viable options, i'd like to already know how they work, and at least somewhat how to use them

[dusk timber]

yeah i hope psyker also gets another rework at some point

def after vet and zealot's but its still needed

[verbal thistle]

In what way would psyker need a rework?

[zealous wing]

idk people keep talking about it

[dusk timber]

first of all make the early game not feel like ass

[verbal thistle]

I understand process of elimination, every class but the oldest 3 have had a major rework

Assail and fundamentally psyker is meant to be squishy and difficult

Why buff early game when he scales end game

[zealous wing]

with the way arby is, the options are buff everyone else or nerf arby, most people think every other class should be arby's level

[dusk timber]

thats not the point

[marble crater]

I don't know what kind of rework I want, but when I look at Arby and Ogryn trees I know that I want one

[verbal thistle]

I'd say that's an overhaul

But I don't see the need in psyker tree

[dusk timber]

yeah a tree that is closer in structure to arby or ogryn have

[dusk timber]

cause more interconnected stuff that gives more options to the player is fun

[verbal thistle]

Psyker tree has a lot of options and choices that don't punish you, bar 1 (taking assail locks of of psk aura) not much of a big deal.

[marble crater]

I'm not saying psyker is weak, by the way, just looking at their trees makes me want a more modern tree for psyker

[zealous wing]

yeah this one sucks

[dusk timber]

yeah this

im not asking for gigabuffs

[prime elk]

if you're taking assail, you're prob taking SG

[verbal thistle]

Okay, was just asking. I did want to see what people were wanting

[prime elk]

if you're taking SG, psyk aura isn't very helpful

(idc about the team )

[verbal thistle]

Psyk aura is way overvalued I noticed

People not taking assail cause they think they need psk aura

[zealous wing]

i use assail on my BK

[prime elk]

this is crazy lol

but yeah i see that

happen more often than it should

[verbal thistle]

Assail is bad in havoc cause no psk aura is something I get told alot

[zealous wing]

lol

[prime elk]

peeps obsessed with cdr in this game

[zealous wing]

for abilities like shriek, absolutely wanted, or chorus/VOC

[verbal thistle]

It often boils down to bubble uptime

Because psyker cancels out so many game mechanics people don't learn what to do without them (bubble turning off ranged combat)

So they want it always active (psk aura, seer presence, siphon)

[zealous wing]

another reason im testing SG, makes me think about what to do. tempted to take deflector off my FGS as well to keep learning shit

[brittle flower]

I think CDR is really only necessary for Bubble, Shriek, Vet shout and Zealot book. Otherwise I dump it

[prime elk]

for shriek a lot of that is only because you're pathing through the left side anyway

[dusk timber]

overall more interconnected pathing, clearer identity for each path, way less grey nodes, staffs with scaling that doesnt make them feel awful in the early game (also just improving the feel of psyker early game in general), improvements to bb and smite, and QoL stuff

[icy breach]

Apart from psykinetic aura being where it is; either move it down/up or remove it

[prime elk]

chorus maybe but zealot gets a LOT of cdr

[jovial juniper]

Nerfing Ogryn to be on Arby's level

[icy breach]

Until it is a deal but ye

[jovial juniper]

one piece crying.gif

[verbal thistle]

Remove

[brittle flower]

Yeah I run the CDR just so I can basically always have it for CC for my team

[prime elk]

every class should be on vet's level

[zealous wing]

with an arby you have to try real hard to die. i've seen fewer arby go down than i've seen ogryns go down

[dusk timber]

cooldown reduction should be way rarer in this game

[verbal thistle]

Like vt

[brittle flower]

Some ppl we play with have 0 spacial awareness so Im the "oh shit" button for the group

[jovial juniper]

Yeah man sorry
Observation bias is not reliable

I've seen a lot of Arby's dying

[icy breach]

More ability spam = more winning in general

[jovial juniper]

If I used that to determine Arby's strength

It just wouldn't work

[zealous wing]

same, ive seen a lot of both, just, more oggy

[icy breach]

For a good reason

[verbal thistle]

But what perspective are you seeing this in? One of wanting psyker buffs or to improve psyker? Outside of maybe reducing grey nodes they all look like buffs

Fatshark doesn't know how to balance, especially early game

Hence why I often say 'you don't start playing this game until max level"

For both Tide games this is true

[jovial juniper]

Just buff psyker back to #1 spot in the game

[dusk timber]

also ngl nerfing arb is pretty much just lowering the % numbers on his overtuned nodes

[zealous wing]

yeah

[jovial juniper]

😭 broken as shit but not too much broken

[zealous wing]

also the coherency thing

[icy breach]

Never dump it; in short term it does not look that necessary but if you count how much cdr you get everytime you use your ability you’ll see; its basic math really & alot of the ppl don’t look further than their own pointy noses

[dusk timber]

every other class ive played so far gave me a much more fun experience even before getting them to max level

[zealous wing]

opposite for me

psyker is the only one i've enjoyed, i made a 2nd one. zealot and oggy arent even level 20 yet

[dusk timber]

its mostly down to how the starting aura and ability felt like such nothingburgers before getting the real ones

and also starting with downgraded bb did not feel good though i was able to replace it with assail

[verbal thistle]

But is it the talents or the class structure

[dusk timber]

well the structure as well

[verbal thistle]

Psyker scales into density and doesn't have any DR outside of 2 talents

3*

They are squishy and are built around cc'ing and range

[verbal thistle]

Staring aura and ability are fine, they don't need to be strong since you need them upgraded to get more value like all classes

Try upgraded bullrush on ogryn

[dusk timber]

i did

and yes it does feel better than unupgraded

[zealous wing]

i do think though that the vent needs an explaination on how it works

[verbal thistle]

Problem with that

[dusk timber]

but the default version still feels good to use

[verbal thistle]

You forget that they will never explain anything

[zealous wing]

no i dont forget

[wind wind]

Built to be CC class

Still hated for using Smite

Justice for smykers!

[zealous wing]

i also dont forget that anything they DO explain is likely 100% bullshit

[dusk timber]

its still a good mobility ability that staggers everything in your path and gives you a short buff to movement speed and attack speed

[wind wind]

[verbal thistle]

Gtg now, but it is interesting to see a newer player's perspective

Was fun

[dusk timber]

same for the other classes with their starting abilities

[brittle flower]

Wording moment, I dont exactly dump CDR in the traditional sense. But moreso I just dont prio it on my curios

[dusk timber]

volley is still a sizeable damage buff on demand (specially since you wont have access to many nodes that give you bonus damage outside of it by that point), downgraded fury is similar to ogryn rush in being a mobility burst and also makes your next attack deal some chunky damage and nuncio-aquila is still regenerating toughness on allies and making enemies take more damage

all of these abilities feel way more impactful and fun to use than the downgraded shriek

and most of their starting auras are also serviceable enough, except for maybe arb

which is weird cause cdr is a really strong effect but by the time it starts to actually matter you likely already have more than enough points to reach the aura options in the tree

and starting with bb also doesnt do any favours but at least its pretty easy to get enough points in one or maybe two games to immediately reach assail

[icy breach]

Still not good; should always get 3

[median furnace]

Extra story mode cutscenes were good for lore dumping on new players, but yeah the Sefoni training mission near the start needs a rework tbh. There's a bunch of things missing from it and even from the advanced training which some players neglect.

[dusk timber]

not to mention they outright lie to you in the section for coherency toughness regeneration

with just one bot close to you the tutorial shows you going from empty to full tougness in like 3 seconds

[prime elk]

i get 3

||ordo dockets||

[ripe obsidian]

Seek CDR like a miser seeking gold. CDR is power.

[wind wind]

My toughness curios always get 3x CAR, 3x toughness and a mixture of gunner damage res and whatever else fits the build best.

[ivory monolith]

silksong is out boyz

[jovial juniper]

FGS doesn't have Bloodthirsty, right?

[zealous wing]

no

but what does it do again?

ah no i found it

i suppose this would be closest comparatively

[dusk timber]

thats power sword right?

[zealous wing]

yes

no

sorry

force sword

[dusk timber]

oh

[jovial juniper]

Yeah just checking on FGS blessings in the code

[dusk timber]

then mid

[jovial juniper]

There's guaranteed critical after activated kill

Which usually translates to Bloodthirsty

[zealous wing]

would that apply to another activated attack i wonder

[dusk timber]

maybe?

[jovial juniper]

Not sure but it wouldn't really work

Because you'd use your charge to make the slash kill

[dusk timber]

you'd still need to build up the activated bar

ye

[jovial juniper]

Then you'd have nothing for the next Warp slash

[zealous wing]

bloodthirsty isnt for a weapon that slashes though

and, you can technically fire a slice any time

it just does less damage

its a mass stagger instead

[dusk timber]

if it was on the power sword where youre already going to be spamming activated attacks anyways it could actually be useful

[zealous wing]

yeah but power sword is for veterans

[dusk timber]

are you really spending an entire blessing slot to make your uncharged special a guaranteed crit

[zealous wing]

no

im just saying thats how the noncharged special attack works

just, if you had that blessing it probably would deal more damage each time

not to a severely useful extent unless youre really about to be overrun

[modest perch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1385180267148476466/1391831582599548958/captioned.gif

so whats everyones record for most disconnects in on game since the last patch ? mines 11

[zealous wing]

1, i think

2 or 3 times total

usually my DC's happen after a mission is completely over, but i dont lose anything and its after the mission overview, so, idk how many of those ive had, not tons

[mighty garden]

I find myself hating playing psyker

[zealous wing]

in what way?

[mighty garden]

Not satisfying gameplay wise

[ripe obsidian]

Provide additional information. Coming here and expressing contempt is not helpful.

[mighty garden]

Yo mama

Jk

[jovial juniper]

So basically you're only pressing 2 buttons

[mighty garden]

Uhhhh I would much rather just get into the clump and rip and tear

[jovial juniper]

Lemme guess

Inferno staff

[ripe obsidian]

If you point out places you're struggling, people can help. If you join the rabble saying, "Psyker sucks," then there is nothing to be done.

[mighty garden]

And psyker is not the character for that

[jovial juniper]

Melee psyker
Aka gun psyker
Aka gunker

[mighty garden]

Gun psyker you say?

[jovial juniper]

It's right side of the tree

[marble crater]

(Unsanctioned)Psyker sucks

[jovial juniper]

It gives finesse bonuses

For melee and ranged

[mighty garden]

Hmmm

Perchance

Plus I haven’t gotten psyker very leveled up either

[dusk timber]

psyker prob has the worst early game of all classes imo

[mighty garden]

That might be what’s killing me and I may share that sentiment when I play it lol

[ripe obsidian]

Psyker feels bad pre-30.

[pale prairie]

You can absolutely play melee jump into clump psyker

[ripe obsidian]

A good Meleeker can outperform any other melee class, with the caveat that you die if touched.

[mighty garden]

I do a lot of Arbitrator and Ogryn so my simple mind may not be cut out for it lol

Explogryn

[pale prairie]

Yeaaaaaa the gameplay is VERY different

[loud girder]

good melee psykers are blessed by big e himself

[pale prairie]

Both those classes you can make a mistake every other second but still win cause they have so many tools for DR and toughness gen

[fringe harbor]

Do gunners shooting at you point blank count as ranged attack [for empathic evasion]?

[dusk timber]

yes

[pale prairie]

Yes you are still be shot with bullets. They have a different melee attack animation

[ripe obsidian]

Ranged attacks are ranged attacks at any distance

[marble crater]

Running away is not an attack

[pale prairie]

They will sometimes try to wack you with the gun

[marble crater]

Let them try

[pale prairie]

It crashes your game I think

[earnest cobalt]

which blessings for electrokinetic staff?

[pale prairie]

Check the pins

[fringe harbor]

Does ping affect your ability to do animation cancel for voidblast? I was looking at some gameplay and I can’t even see their cancels lmao, while mine are visibly slow. Should I just do blast -> tap quell?

[zealous wing]

currently running a berserk-type gunker build, its lots of fun

[jovial juniper]

Quell cancel for staves have been removed

Sorry to tell you that

[fringe harbor]

Oh shit ancient news

[pale prairie]

Some people get mods for swap canceling cauuse that still exists and works

or they use macros

[fringe harbor]

Ye the swap cancel works on my end. Anyways is it better to do blast > tap quell or just keep blasting and long quell?

[pale prairie]

tap quell is best up to like 3 times I think??

then its diminishing returns

[zealous wing]

slide quell or tap quell works, it does also depend where you want to hover around

[wind wind]

Is it really outperformance If durability is realisticly a needed game feature?

[jovial juniper]

You can just not get hit

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-andor-partagaz-thesis-major-partagaz-lio-partagaz-anton-lesser-gif-16819386885248191220

[fringe harbor]

I’ve seen gun psyker take approximately 0 dmg with deimos while top frag by 200K in a maelstrom

I was bully club ogryn btw

[jovial juniper]

Which is possible because you have the tools

Even the lowest Stam Regen delay

[wind wind]

I stated my thesis already you illterate soldier

[ornate hamlet]

Deimos is the pp sword right?

[jovial juniper]

Yeah

The Tipper

[pale prairie]

No I don't understand what you mean by "Is it outperformance if Durability is needed"

This isn't a hypothesis we have tons of people in here who kick ass as melee psyker

[zealous wing]

it really depends what rex thinks performance refers to

[pale prairie]

exactly

[wind wind]

Possible. But rare. And lucky. All it needs is one game sputter/laggtide moment and you take damage.

[pale prairie]

SO TYPE YOU INSCRUTABLE SOLDIER

[jovial juniper]

Ok so we agree it's possible

That's all that matters

[zealous wing]

if i can take a bubbleknight gunker build thats halfbuilt lvl 16 into an auric maelstrom and live, yes its doable lmao

[jovial juniper]

Which is why every class is durable if you never get hit

[prime elk]

meleeker is insane

the most dangerous time for a meleeker is when there aren't enemies within melee distance

which is rare

[zealous wing]

thats what the gun is for, or assail if they've got it

[prime elk]

yeh

you're just relatively vulnerable

[zealous wing]

if its a bubbleknight, not really

[prime elk]

bubbleknight is for pussies

[zealous wing]

lmao

[prime elk]

[wind wind]

Alright, my sweatheart, for you only.

The original thesis was (to which i replied) that meleepsyker can outperform any other class in melee given one takes no damage and i doubted that you could call it outperformance If said outperformance could be called that since its hard or nigh Impossible to avoid being hit in this game.

I wonder how my original statement failed to convey this standing by itself given that it was perfectly formulated.

[prime elk]

SG: we ball we ball

[zealous wing]

you say to a BK main

[prime elk]

nothing personnel

[zealous wing]

my SG build is probably not ready for auric

[dusk timber]

yooo you main burger king?

[prime elk]

i do purposefully take BK sometimes though, otherwise teams in auric don't get to do much damage

[zealous wing]

still figuring things out then will crossreference with other builds before auric

[ornate hamlet]

Because u shoot suicidebois at the door

[jovial juniper]

"I'm in a bubble and you're not"

https://youtube.com/shorts/UrxgtwP09Zw?si=hYnn8ITSROBmQdAj

[ornate hamlet]

I don't use bubble

[zealous wing]

and you decide to stand next to a beeping door thats tagged and has a gunker and a grenadier ogryn aiming at it.

[ornate hamlet]

I didn't see u all aiming at it,tags means go there,u should tag the skull one

[zealous wing]

it WAS

I HAVE PROOF

[ornate hamlet]

I only saw the normal one

Not the skull

Still funny thou

[zealous wing]

this you?

i set my doubleclick mousewheel to a skull specifically for this event

[ornate hamlet]

As i said i saw ping one,not the 💀

Now time for some sm2

[pale prairie]

Alright so you don’t think melee psyker outperforms any other class in melee cause they are more fragile?

Kills in this game = performance

Being able to survive and tank damage is important to a point but if stuff doesn’t die you just get overwhelmed

[wind wind]

No.

Winning the match is the performance. You cant kill If youre dead.

[pale prairie]

Guess I suck then

goddamn that zealot is so much better in melee

[wind wind]

I didnt say that.

I said that damage alone is irrelevant If youre prone to dying alot.

Which most psykers do.

Youre the exception

Not the rule

[pale prairie]

hmmmmmmmm I don't think the discussion was about generalities though

[zealous wing]

i've seen dozens of ogryns arby's and zealots go down also

[pale prairie]

it was about possibilities

[wind wind]

The original statement was a General asssumption.

[ornate hamlet]

I go down all the time

[pale prairie]

Yeah but it wasn't like "All melee psykers are better" It is that Melee psyker CAN

[zealous wing]

yeah but thats cuz you do dumb shit

[pale prairie]

at least that was my understanding

[wind wind]

Yes but they can take more (which ironically enables them to suck more so you have a bit of a point there).

[wind wind]

My understanding was the first Statement. Maybe i understood wrong.

[wind wind]

🤷🏻

[zealous wing]

just because a psyker is fragile doesnt mean they wont perform well

just like a tank can still perform like ass

able to take hits < not getting hit, in ANY class

[pale prairie]

agreed that as a GENERAL RULE melee psyker suffers from durability BUT and maybe this is cause Melee psyker players are usually cracked.... I do see a lot of them Perform well BY which I mean put up high numbers and win

[wind wind]

Yeah and i dont argue that. Just that in general, your average melee psyker isnt gonna outperform your average anything else. At that point it becomes more about the human behind the screen instead of the class because an above psyker can probably outperform anyone else on any class.

[ornate hamlet]

Wdym i do dum shit,i just charge n kill shit

[long saddle]

my melee psykers only suffer when I'm running great blaze forcesword

[zealous wing]

you gotta position yourself better

[long saddle]

which is a shame because it's such fun

[wind wind]

Explanation pls?

[ornate hamlet]

Can't,console has slow movement

U can't do the stuff pc does cuz of fps

[long saddle]

I'm just not nimble enough, the heavies are nice and chunky but slow

using regular forcesword lets me deal with maniacs and stuff better

[marble crater]

Bullshit, even with lower FPS you can decide to not stand next to the door

[wind wind]

Another brick in the wall of truth that PCs/Laptops are better than console

[zealous wing]

it can feel clunky, thats why combos and knowing them are good

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/umm-wait-never-mind-gif-9467929

[long saddle]

I mean I get some good runs, it's just not as consistent as I would like

[zealous wing]

light attacks 1 and 2 and then a block cancel can help, or light 1, 2, 3, and then a heavy, and loop those

light 1 then heavy gives you the stab, for muties

[ornate hamlet]

I didn't know u 2 muppets were planning to shoot them,if we only had this thing called 🎤

[zealous wing]

i legit didnt see you tbh

you moved too quick

[marble crater]

Leave me out of this, I wasn't in that game

[wind wind]

True. Because only the cracked players keep playing meleepsyker. Anyone else submitts to reason and plays something more survivable on psyker. Like switching to arbites

[ornate hamlet]

Most laptops can't run this game on more than 50 fps,unless 10k laptop

[wind wind]

My Lenovo legion runs it fine.

[ornate hamlet]

How much u spend on that laptop?

[long saddle]

ye I prob need to practice more combos, illisi light spam is so fun and easy mode tho when I want to murder in melee

[wind wind]

Was a graduation gift. 2k me thinks

[zealous wing]

ye i tested it, its very quick indeed

[ornate hamlet]

Console is cheaper

[zealous wing]

but the crowd clear was missed

wdym the laptop was free

[ornate hamlet]

Free for u,not for the ppl that bought it

[zealous wing]

and?

[wind wind]

Yeah but i couldnt use a console to print university papers, write my masters thesis and take it to the library with me, right?

The value of a laptop is in its portability and utility. And the original argument of you was that laptops usually cant support high fps. Mine can

[ornate hamlet]

Did u get triggered writing an entire essay

[wind wind]

Kinda. I had to get a bachelors degree for it (but i studied History, so still free i guess )

[zealous wing]

honestly i wonder if my laptop could handle DT

probably

[ornate hamlet]

To def your laptop 😁

[long saddle]

you can just use a cheaper or smaller laptop for stuff like that

I have a macbook air as my casual laptop and then a gaming pc

[wind wind]

No, i am just incapeable of getting to the point in short sentences. I studied history for a reason m

[wind wind]

I am writing this from my phone lmao. I am at work. Laptop is chilling at home

[wind wind]

Go try it

[ornate hamlet]

U def triggered u history nerd ,tell me,since you are a student of history,how many years Bulgarians were slaves under Ottoman rule?

[strong gulch]

Gaming laptop mentioned. Here's an Arco classic.

[zealous wing]

i would but thats effort. i'd have to install it, and probably uninstall some other games, but then if it does work, it wont mean much, internet is only decent in the PC room

[marble crater]

Too many years?

[ornate hamlet]

The fck is the point of laptop if its in home only

[ornate hamlet]

500

[zealous wing]

are you trying to gatekeep history studying?

[marble crater]

Uh...

[rapid goblet]

that's some techno heresy here

[marble crater]

Yeah too many

[wind wind]

1. dont derail the argument with "huh, your triggered". This is about console vs pc/Laptop, not me vs you.

2. i dont give a fuck about bulgaria and its History. I am German 🇩🇪

[ornate hamlet]

I have no idea what you mean

[wind wind]

The Fan lmao

[zealous wing]

"oh youre a metal fan? name every metal band"

[ornate hamlet]

Oh

[ornate hamlet]

History student but you German 💀

[wind wind]

Your point being?

[strong gulch]

Arco's preferred graphic settings.
Incredible.

[ornate hamlet]

U know my point 😐

[marble crater]

[ornate hamlet]

Still better than ps5

[zealous wing]

wow the mutie looks far less disgusting

[marble crater]

https://tenor.com/view/this-shit-is-so-ass-gif-gif-13056992775285521374

[zealous wing]

it legitimately looks like an N64 game

[ornate hamlet]

[long saddle]

does anyone run raytracing on their setup? mine just chugs like hell on it and doesn't look that amazing even

[zealous wing]

uh

id have to check

no

its off

[zealous wing]

k honestly i wouldnt mind playing like that

pleasantly simple

[zealous wing]

but yeah they're off, though i have a 3070 so idk how much it affects

[wind wind]

No.

I could hint at the implications i suspect but If you have something of substance to say id rather read you write it out instead of guessing at implications. Id rather avoid dubious misunderstandings and subtle quips.

If you have something to say, say it with your chest. Dont hide behind innuendo

[long saddle]

yeah I have a 3070 as well

[zealous wing]

game looks fine without it

[long saddle]

yeah for sure

[ornate hamlet]

Nobody is hiding,rules in this discord forbid me to say certain stuff about certain countries (especially Germany) that were facts and did happen,but ppl get triggered easily soo....

[ornate hamlet]

Still looks better than a ps5

[wind wind]

As If anyone in here would care...

Have you read the shit some people write in here?

Anyways, if you dont wanna say it out loud, its probably not wise to say at all

Either have the balls to say what you mean like an adult or be silent

[ornate hamlet]

Now u are ragebaiting with that last sentence

[fresh panther]

Where is @amber vine with the Mr potato head posting

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-mrbean-bean-mr-bean-holiday-mr-bean-holiday-movie-gif-3228235746377647455

[wind wind]

No. I am merley inviting you to make your point in a manner accurate enough so i can adress it properly. I dont reply to innuendo

[pale prairie]

lmao how does ancient laptops and console peasantry intersect with the history of the OTTOMANS

yeesh

sub is wild today

look at that it is so wild I said it was a SUBREDDIT

[wind wind]

People are like a lump of Spaghetti... If said lump of Spaghetti was lit on fire and radiated misery and hatred lmao

[pale prairie]

nah because people LIKE spaghetti

[wind wind]

Freudian slip

Btw what the hell are you doing on subreddits? That shits bad for your health my guy

[pale prairie]

I don't use social media so sometimes I scroll through. I like to laugh at darktide reddit or find new build ideas for HD2 on there

[wind wind]

I was hinting about Spaghetti being entangled and intertwined, conversations flowing from one topic seemingly into another that is completley unrelated.

[pale prairie]

fair

[wind wind]

Fair enough.

I am never posting on the offical dt Reddit again though.

Asked one harmless question and got like 10 downvotes in the first 20 seconds

[pale prairie]

what the fuck hahaha

yeah I have only like 700 karma cause I comment and don't post

what question?

[wind wind]

Something about how i can increase my skill and be a better support to my teammates. What would be the best things to master first

Actually an innocent and wholesome question

[pale prairie]

ahhhh beautiful

[ripe obsidian]

Yes. Durability is not as important at high levels of play, because you're less likely to be hit if you're good enough to be an H40 meleeker.

I mean, even on staffker I tend to get hit less than teammates, even if I'm the last man standing, and even considering the fact that I play super aggressively

[pale prairie]

Lots of CC on that build though

[marble crater]

In my last Europa Universalis game I deleted the Ottomans from the map

[pale prairie]

Good job???

[marble crater]

Thank you

Clearly you are not an Europa Universalis player

[pale prairie]

nah I am more into the Total War kind of strategy

with actual formations and tactics

[marble crater]

[wraith sphinx]

...no maelstrom? wtf??

oh nvm it just appeared

I got trolled

[long saddle]

im so glad I got the mod that sorts the mission screen

[fresh panther]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1274197684772929638/arco.jpg?ex=68bc4951&is=68baf7d1&hm=8fcbb0e762b45a83b894154eaa7e4bfa0cfc3bf7e0cdfe0f0fed061105dc2e81&
Found it

[strong gulch]

Thank you

[fresh panther]

Perfect timing

[amber vine]

lol

[late sphinx]

is there any build that makes perils of the warp do any damage or are we still stuck with the damage of a sneeze

[zealous wing]

i mean its basically a yellow barrel explosion

[late sphinx]

shame

[zealous wing]

you arent MEANT to overload

thats why theres 2 abilities to prevent it

[late sphinx]

that one ability that makes it so you dont down when overloading makes me want experiment

[zealous wing]

crystaline will

[marble crater]

There is nothing to experiment

[zealous wing]

not a good habit to have but if youre learning how to not it helped me

[marble crater]

It's bad

[late sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/1984-gif-19260546

Im not learning, just wondered if anything for psyker had changed recently or new tech had been found

true level 200+ on every class cept policeman

[jovial juniper]

Yesnt

Uncanny Strike and any of the strength blessings should affect it

But that's about it

[late sphinx]

Wild, thats interesting

[azure sun]

I mean, isn’t that the basis behind the Venting Shriek augments? Just having that extra out button?

[zealous wing]

yeah scrier gaze and venting shriek and the starting vent all stop the overload

as well as any other talent that quells peril on kill or such

[late sphinx]

Its not really about venting the peril, its just nice to find new seams to follow in the game that arn't immediately apparent.

Lets say you're playing a game and for once lets be honest with ourselves and admitt sometimes we get low health, and we're not Bill Von Chadwick "I never die"

And you take wounds for some ungodly reason. You got 6 boom booms to play around with and why not, no medpacks left and you have this cool new / niche resource to use

[azure sun]

Certainly been a help to me cause I’ve been trying to learn Electro staff.

[late sphinx]

Wish there were more uses for wound curios

[zealous wing]

i actually did do this, sort of. used my explosion and crystaline will to clear the area around me, or intentionally keep firing

[late sphinx]

Aye, it'd be fun for Fatshark to iron out little gameplay like this from nodes that no one will take elsewise

I'd maybe even settle for zero boom damage, keeping the stagger but instead laying a zealot style flame grenade thats blue around me

that'd be cool

[zealous wing]

honestly, i'd rather they fix all the talents, blessings, penances, perks, etc first. too many lies

[azure sun]

For sure.

Hilariously my favorite Psyker builds have basically been hybrid setups, not staffs.

Assail with a Recon Las, or full Stam Soulblaze DC.

[late sphinx]

Well its not helped by that Psykers been shafted in terms of weapon updates to his kit

[zealous wing]

why full stamina

[azure sun]

Was it full stam? Hold on.

No, it was mainly Toughness, with a Stam, and Stam regen bonuses

[zealous wing]

yeah but

why

[azure sun]

DC’s parry costs

[zealous wing]

kinetic deflection

with this youre basically immortal

[azure sun]

🤔

[zealous wing]

esp with devils claw

[late sphinx]

Allegedly, you cant really go wrong with Stamina curios to begin with really

The best players dont need that extra toughness and health, right?

[zealous wing]

1 stam is plenty, and you still gotta deal with chip damage, everyone does

[marble crater]

Nobody plays perfectly all the time

[azure sun]

Yeah, for sure

[zealous wing]

i say 1 stam, i mean one +3 curio, rated 410

[late sphinx]

People have grown up so much and gotten so humble these days 😭 I'm so proud

[late sphinx]

The fact you can get +1 stams is so gross I hate that

[zealous wing]

even on uprising speedruns, i still take chip damage and no idea how tf i did

shit like falldmg or a sneaky backhit around a corner, probably, but, it happens

[late sphinx]

It'd be like if you had curios that could give you +7% health for some reason, crazy that there'll be a curio 3x as powerful as the worst

[zealous wing]

i even upgraded myself to 2 toughness curio instead of 1 +21 hp, 1 +17 t, 1 +3 stam

[zealous wing]

weellll

[azure sun]

I mean, you can also piecemeal in the sub bonuses on the curios

[zealous wing]

exhibit a)

there might be worse possible

also, yeah all three have these subperks

[late sphinx]

I'd still love a +1 talent point curio to have in future

[zealous wing]

ooo

that could be fun, but i can also see it causing issues with builds

if someone removes a curio there would need to be a way to both save the skilltree, but also not let them play until they fixed it

[late sphinx]

skill tree point spending needs a rework anyway to be fair, so frustrating having to go all the way back up to change the build, it should just look for viable paths to your nodes insteadof you having to de-node all the way back

[pale prairie]

already thinking of hax

[zealous wing]

the only thing you cant change easy is the abilities and the auras tbh

pretty much everything else can just be finagled a little bit

[late sphinx]

whats the soulblaze DC build anyway, sounds fun

or is it just the you cant die DC build

[prime elk]

pretty sure there's a mod for that

[zealous wing]

devils claw lets you parry, so youre dealing dmg while blocking. kinetic deflection makes it use peril first instead of stamina, and since that takes a while, you could theoretically clear any room without taking damage yourself, unless disabler/fire/gunner, ofc

as a vet i used DC to take out plague ogryns, without a scratch on me

[late sphinx]

I love DC to bits but I've played it so much its been like chewing gum to me. Chewed it too much now I dont taste anything from it

[zealous wing]

yeah it overall doesnt do much

[azure sun]

Taking advantage of the melee perks on the right half of the tree above Scriers

[prime elk]

DC sucks anyway

[zealous wing]

the only thing it has going for it IS the parry

[prime elk]

fatshart's buffed it like a dozen times, and it still sucks

[late sphinx]

Roll on even more buffs

[azure sun]

I will avidly defend the M4 DC. It’s outshined often, but it’s my favorite melee

[zealous wing]

give us a force weapon with parry

[prime elk]

one day fatshart will get it right

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-not-this-day-not-today-lord-of-the-rings-gif-14797074

[late sphinx]

People would take DC if it had knifes blessings. But the blessing system to me needs a complete overhaul anyway

[late sphinx]

I much prefer M7, the unique poke animation is too yummy to pass up

[zealous wing]

i dont think i even tried anything but m4

[late sphinx]

we're all dead soon anyway after Fatshark takes away its only unique gimmick and gives it to DS

[jovial juniper]

Eh

Wait

Probably yeah

Uncanny would help with the shit flak damage

And that's pretty much it

[prime elk]

lacerate would save DC 🔥

[zealous wing]

k wdym the poke animation

[jovial juniper]

It would be mad funny though

[late sphinx]

M7's block push does a poke

like dueling sword

but worse

[prime elk]

shred + fleshtearer

[zealous wing]

i see

[jovial juniper]

Lacerate but the parry pretty much is capable of killing everything in a single hit

[prime elk]

would be pretty funny

[zealous wing]

but hey at least DC isnt as bad as the heavy sword

[prime elk]

you do realize

hsword is actually pretty good lol

[jovial juniper]

Top 10 baits

[zealous wing]

no, no i dont

[late sphinx]

Not killing the thing on the parry makes you feel like shit to be fair

[prime elk]

it's stronger than dclaw

[jovial juniper]

I actually like the bait

[zealous wing]

dc has parry, something useful. hsword i just, cant find any redeeming qualities in

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-versus-vs-alien-monster-vs-alien-gif-16037253809360562033

[azure sun]

Hsword got an awkward curve to it. Especially with when to pop the backhand spike

I have issues using it properly

[jovial juniper]

Notice how you only bring the parry in favor of dclaw

#noticing

[late sphinx]

H sword is great horde clear, which people laugh at as easy for any weapon. But boy if you'd see the games I've been in. The level 1500 that ignores every horde and focuses elites and goes down wondering where his team is.

[zealous wing]

"great"

which mark

[jovial juniper]

What about the comparatively lower cleave
What about the comparatively lower damage distribution
What about the comparatively lower damage

#noticing

[zealous wing]

yeah and

[azure sun]

What I’m noticing is a lot of circle talk and not direct answers

[prime elk]

sorry but dclaw can't do this

(amongst many other things)

[jovial juniper]

#noticing

[prime elk]

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-twister-full-charge-combo-attack-roocifer-samurai-gif-25156704

[jovial juniper]

Uh ignore the bottom right text 💀

[late sphinx]

Hsword just requires a bit more thought. I've played with it tons and I'm still not convinced I've worked out how to introduce its special properly in with its combos.

Never will either! but I enjoy theres a skill ceiling to some weapons that arn't just "heavy light heavy light heavy light"

[prime elk]

ironically hsword combos are just heavy light heavy light

depending on the mark you use

[late sphinx]

Ive been told the specials are imperative to its combo to get the full whack out of them

[prime elk]

the combos are generally very simple

like mkix is just LHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

for horde clear

ST is H sp H sp H sp

and then the other marks are very similar/some variation of that

[late sphinx]

So glad Darktide didnt come out in the era of the Nintendo Wii jesus.

[zealous wing]

play this game in VR get some real workout

[prime elk]

mk 6 HS has nearly identical combos to mk 4 dclaw

[prime elk]

i play only in VR, which is why i can only play vet

other classes have way too much stamina recovery

[zealous wing]

besides the point, hsword might be stronger than the DC, but they both seem to be quite ass

might just be my opinion, but

[prime elk]

nah sword is good

hsword

[jovial juniper]

Hsword only struggles against carapace

[prime elk]

it's not particularly strong, but it's not weak either

[jovial juniper]

Dclaw struggles against a dreg bruiser

[prime elk]

turns out a melee that has good horde clear always has a place lol

[jovial juniper]

💀

[zealous wing]

and FGS covers everything

[prime elk]

FGS is new weapon

new weapon = stronger

[jovial juniper]

Can't hit their body because body damage is low

Can't hit their heads because dogshit flak damage

[zealous wing]

hell even the taxe feels like it has better horde clear

and i cant even use it properly

also, imagine if this game had more dynamic hitboxes. proper weakpoints, like headshots obviously, but also shit like the femoral artery

crotchshots, if you will

i always find it weird that games never make more than the head a weakpoint on a human(oid)

[proper osprey]

Imagine

I’d look like the l4d charger after a havoc 40

[earnest cobalt]

Can psyker melt bosses?

[dusk timber]

they can

[earnest cobalt]

How?

[dusk timber]

but you really need to build towards it

[dusk timber]

gunker i think

[late sphinx]

Purge staff technically does tons of damage to bosses it just doesnt feel like it cause its not as bonky as thammer whose renouned for doing it

Ive seen psykers use M1 on the purge staff that somehow does tons of damage to bosses over the M2 spray but cant remember the fine details of why

something about the stacks

[earnest cobalt]

Purge staff?

[dusk timber]

fire staff

[dusk timber]

blaze away is 100% part of it

[crisp ether]

Blaze away increases actual power. M1 does more base damage than M2 while still being able to proc soulblaze.

[tulip kettle]

its still trash dmg

[solid pond]

how

[tulip kettle]

because it is?

[solid pond]

it doesn't killl a boss instantly but its plenty and its free

[tulip kettle]

the damage is coming from the soulblaze stacks not from you spamming lmb

you could just get your sword out with unyield on it and hit the boss for better dmg

[solid pond]

if you have uncanny on it, bonus points sure, but switching off means you're not keeping blaze away up

[tulip kettle]

uncanny makes very little difference to bosses

not nothing, but not much

and yes blaze away is ok

but 30 dmg per lmb buffed with blaze away is still less than 100 dmg

compared to actually just hitting it with your sword

thats too scary though i know

and your soulblaze stacks only start to degrade after 10 ticks, so just swap to your inferno and puff it a single time every 6 seconds or so

but all of this is just worse dmg than anything actually good at killing bosses

on inferno your value is clearing all the trash around the bosses and maintaining stacks on the boss, doing passable DoT dmg and clearing the way for your actual boss dmg dealers

[jovial juniper]

The answer is always gunker

🗣️

[tulip kettle]

it really is

[dusk timber]

what is the term for a staff-focused psyker

[late sphinx]

I always respect a psyker that takes brainburst, and look down upon every other

[jovial juniper]

Staffker

It's not really creative

Just take something and add -ker

[dusk timber]

so the answer isnt gunker

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/goteem-go-team-happy-fun-sports-gif-4789485

[jovial juniper]

Gunker

Manstopper Flechette

1 it's a ranged weapon

2 it applies dots

[tulip kettle]

yeah but

[jovial juniper]

3 it has infinite cleave

[tulip kettle]

the answer to his question

[jovial juniper]

It's technically a staff

[tulip kettle]

was "staffker" not gunker

check and mate atheists

[jovial juniper]

All roads lead to stealth archer

So basically just give gunker stealth

[tulip kettle]

think it would honestly be bad

[dusk timber]

also not really any room to fit it in

[solid pond]

can't even escape skyrim here

😭

[dusk timber]

speaking of psyker abilities

ngl bubble should be the default version of shield

[late sphinx]

true

arguably should be psykers default ability, but I think shriek technically is iirc

[dusk timber]

nah

[solid pond]

shriek is yeah, but shriek is understandably so

panic quell

[dusk timber]

ye

[late sphinx]

I think the shield is more understandable to new players than the panic quell

[dusk timber]

just wish it did more than 10% so it could be useful for more stuff than literally about to explode

[late sphinx]

I have friends that play this game casually and still forget what psykers doing

[dusk timber]

just increase the number it quells

[solid pond]

it should just do the 50%

can't get the other things it gets

until you get it in the tree

[dusk timber]

thats literally the only thing it gets lol

[tulip kettle]

just make it do 150 dmg base

[solid pond]

they should make the shriek ranged damage

so i can bleed the planet with puncture

[tulip kettle]

then you can take the currently useless dmg node and its actually worthwhile for insta clearing trash

[dusk timber]

also yeah i wish shriek didnt need modifiers to do something more than just stagger+quell

[late sphinx]

I like Darktides UI, and it fits the theme. But Quells very bland number percentage that goes up and down isn't very like "Oh I get what I'm doing rn"

In the age of games that do UI so much more flashy and info based immediately.

Lot of new players arn't going to be interfacing that much with the quelling system to begin with which is why the shield feels more out the box to me, with no requirements

[tulip kettle]

psyker is just notorious for being bad to play until lvl 30

more than any other class it needs its entire tree

[solid pond]

yeah, I remember leveling that and it was dookie

and that was close to launch lol

[dusk timber]

ye that alone warrants an rework for psyker ngl

[solid pond]

probably way better now with the trees

[tulip kettle]

else its just use sword and gun with no noticeable effects on anything and maybe spam some assails

[dusk timber]

not as much as vet or zealot need one but still something that should happen

[zealous wing]

if you know what youre doing already lvl 16 is enough for auric, but thats if you know what youre doing

[late sphinx]

(not to mention new players that will just not take any warp based weapons, even more reason shield would be a better default, so players running a chainsword/autogun still have SOMETHING)

[solid pond]

yeah it just flat deserves it to get the tree rearranged and some things changed up a little

[dusk timber]

or a better idea

[solid pond]

the reworked trees not being dogshit is nice

lol

[dusk timber]

actually incentivize psyker players to use warp stuff without needing to have a maxed out character+weapons

[tulip kettle]

at 16 you would likely run something like this

which is just "i play with gun and sword to do less damage than a zealot, and sometimes i assail"

[zealous wing]

i was actively building the BK tbh

i dont remember what all i selected at that point but we got me leveled up pretty quick after that

this was on psyker2

[late sphinx]

When I've seen people start playing psyker they look at Scriers gaze and see its long winded descriptions and go "Oh ok" and better understand Shield and Shout :p

but thats just my own personal expierence

assail is really really fun for new players imo, spirit shards just sound cool as a name without even seeing them

[zealous wing]

finding out they arent completely random is what sold me on it tbh, i was using BB until i was penance hunting

thats also when i found out what the starting ability did

the starting ability desperately NEEDS a note somewhere on wtf it does other than stagger things

i cant remember who, but i was helping someone here learn psyker, and we ended up in a match with another new psyker, and as i was explaining the starter vent, the other psyker didnt know it either

[late sphinx]

its so easy to take your own knowledge for granted and just assume it must be easy for everyone. Its why new player expierences in games are so hard to get right.

Warframe never has and never will get it right, same with TF2, as two prime examples

[zealous wing]

i would guess its a very common occurence

[tulip kettle]

its just about complexity

more complex games are more difficult for newer players

anybody can pick up a controller and play CoD and within an hour or 2 they will "get" the game

[zealous wing]

yeah but a "if oopsie press this button to un-oopsie" would be nice

[tulip kettle]

i mean, quell number goes down when you press it

idk what else they can do, if youre the sort of player that doesnt notice that

youre the sort of player who wont read stuff on your screen

[static sonnet]

They might not know there's a quell button

[zealous wing]

not by much, and if you dont know how quelling works yet, or dont have the eye for it yet, youd miss that, especially if youre using nonwarp weaponry mostly

[late sphinx]

Legitamately I think if Quell had a bar that looked similar to the heat gauge, (with number dont worry) it'd help players understand a bit better

[tulip kettle]

i mean, maybe? you can get a bar - i turn it off

theres a number that is a percentage

if its bright red and says 100

thats already pretty telling

the bigger problem is the mechanics of peril and its generation are just bad with low stat rolled staves

[marble crater]

People need to learn the hard way

[late sphinx]

Maybe. I think thats maybe why games like Runescape are so popular. There's that learning curve and weird things you gotta do that scare away people like me but make the people that do know feel all the more special

[tulip kettle]

its also just that games are different now than they were 20 years ago

we all have access to so much information

[late sphinx]

Yet illiteracy is at an all time high and people dont wanna read

[tulip kettle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKP1I7IocYU

very interesting video on the different kinds of play

[marble crater]

1,5 hours?

[tulip kettle]

even the first 5 mins will give you the point

instrumental play vs fun

also dont act like you dont have 90 mins to waste

[marble crater]

Not at 1:30am

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/feel-me-think-about-it-meme-gif-7715402

so why are you here

[marble crater]

Because I'm going to bed in like half an hour

[dusk timber]

it does mention it quells peril

but yeah it needs to do more than currently

easily the most underwhelming starting ability out of all the classes

[ripe obsidian]

I'll whelm you

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-don't-threaten-me-with-a-good-time-with-a-good-time-seems-fun-sounds-fun-gif-10940005011859343234

mr paratext himself

[dusk timber]

also bb and smite overhaul so early game psyker isnt shooting itself in foot when it doesnt insta equip assail the second they hit lvl4

[ripe obsidian]

Whelm (Recharge 4–6). Strength Saving Throw: DC 15, each creature in the elemental's space. Failure: 22 (4d8 + 4) Bludgeoning damage. If the target is a Large or smaller creature, it has the Grappled condition (escape DC 14). Until the grapple ends, the target has the Restrained condition, is suffocating unless it can breathe water, and takes 9 (2d8) Bludgeoning damage at the start of each of the elemental's turns. The elemental can grapple one Large creature or up to two Medium or smaller creatures at a time with Whelm. As an action, a creature within 5 feet of the elemental can pull a creature out of it by succeeding on a DC 14 Strength (Athletics) check. Success: Half damage only.

[zealous wing]

anyone available to squad up rq and help a havoc newbie get h1 done? eu

[verbal thistle]

doing an auric mael jumps it up to rank 16

[zealous wing]

ah so thats what happened with me

[jovial juniper]

Sorry

No internet till tomorrow

[zealous wing]

its alright, some random jumped in vc and we're gonna help them level up in the meantime so we wont be bored

also, fucking OOF

nvm xDD

[zealous wing]

someone fucking help me they're a smyker and they "hate meta slaves" and avoid meta builds like the fucking plague, plays poorly, then bitches about going down so quick and psyker being weak as fuck, in voice.

then i fail a clutch and they start bitching about that too as an excuse psyker is weak

bro

please

[deft stump]

THAT guy?

If it's who I think it is... Had ppl complain about playing with them before.

[zealous wing]

well i got em to stop bitching by showing them my over the top absolutely kinda broken build but probably

[proper osprey]

Sorry was me

[zealous wing]

no but a similar name

i dont wanna NAME names but

its similar enough

[proper osprey]

Fr? 😭

[deft stump]

Is that guy, right?

[pale prairie]

Oooof

He probably loves Taxe

[zealous wing]

ogryn/arby main

[pale prairie]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOF

[proper osprey]

I love tac axe

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/superman-why-yes-i-do-love-you-gif-18628796

[sturdy reef]

taxe is the goat

it was already pretty good pre buff

[proper osprey]

Real

[sturdy reef]

dclaw still feels meh tho

idk bro, if the melee cant deal with the carapace spam in higher tier content it cant hang

[proper osprey]

I can only use it on vet or zealot

[sturdy reef]

its still good on psyker

[proper osprey]

Psyker it’s like a teir

It’s fun

Parry the world

[nocturne dust]

[proper osprey]

[nocturne dust]

Don't go spreading lies now

[proper osprey]

I mean it’s better than chain sword

[nocturne dust]

Eh

I mean, Chainsword can at least kill armored things in an amount of time that isn't completely unreasonable

[sturdy reef]

shock maul slaps

I still never see it

[proper osprey]

[nocturne dust]

Maul is alright, but not really suited to psyker

[proper osprey]

It could be worse

[nocturne dust]

could be a lot better too

[proper osprey]

I wish there was a chainsword mk that has the evis moveset

[sturdy reef]

ragebait zealot chait by calling evi bad

🍿

[proper osprey]

Meow would only respond

She’d be like “grrrrrrr”

And say nothing

And continue shitposting

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1269057322882437331/1356469802385936474/hoprblelysmal.gif

[jovial juniper]

It's legit the definition of mid

Only real weakness is monstrosities

Can one shot specialists