psyker-class

[ornate hamlet]

[marble crater]

Frames are honestly fine, but game doesn't look great at times, fire and explosions look bad. Maybe I can try quality mode

[deft stump]

See FS. GL.

Who knows.

[pale prairie]

Oooooooof

[ornate hamlet]

Don't do quality mode💀

Quality mode runs like ass on consoles,even on ps5 pro 💀

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/pure-quality-cody-harris-the-cowboy-way-quality-high-class-gif-17861672

[marble crater]

[deft stump]

Moments before disaster.

[ornate hamlet]

Nah ,pure asscheeks,ex gf have ps5 pro,it was running horrible 💀

[ornate hamlet]

No-one will bully u from now on, I hate bullying

[gray juniper]

Pc gamers inconsolable

[deft stump]

Sounds like DT DLSS. Performance 23 fps. Balanced 47. Quality 24.

[ornate hamlet]

Actually performance was better in fps and graphics,unless too much stuff is happening,then it's just stable fps

[deft stump]

That was staring at brunt's shop in the mourningstar.

50% sharpness.

[ornate hamlet]

Thank god we ps5 ppl got decent running game,ty for the trial pc players

[marble crater]

@pale prairie this major order is perfect for us new Xbox players based arrowhead

[ornate hamlet]

Whats the order?

[marble crater]

Extract with common and rare samples

[gray juniper]

What exactly was it?

Never mind I see

Turns out I need to buy a ex bawks x to join the war effort

[radiant frigate]

arbideez

[marble crater]

Joe mama

[radiant frigate]

🤝

[gray juniper]

From what I see on yewtewb, helldivers lower and mid difficulties are pretty easy but people choose to put themselves in bad situations

[ornate hamlet]

[ornate hamlet]

I play on 8-10

Usually start with 8

[gray juniper]

It seems more team dependent at that level

[ornate hamlet]

Bump up to 10 for the memes n chaos

[gray juniper]

Around 4-7 it looks like people either team kill with poor shooting or try to Rambo it

But this is just observations. It does appear a good bit easier than darktide

[marble crater]

1 is emptier than sedition

[gray juniper]

lol

[marble crater]

There are like 10 enemies

[gray juniper]

Wow

Is the difficulty mission or option dependent?

[marble crater]

The missions are difficulty dependant, higher difficulty has more complex missions with more objectives and bigger maps

[gray juniper]

Are you rank locked out of them for some time?

[marble crater]

Need to beat difficulty once to unlock the next

[gray juniper]

Ok that’s almost too simple

[marble crater]

So your 10th mission could be highest difficulty

[gray juniper]

Ok that may be too easy

Is there a training area?

[ornate hamlet]

If he beats 9

[marble crater]

To test your weapons? If there is I haven't found it

[gray juniper]

Yea something like the psyk

I heard the stratagems are used by selecting it then performing a button combination to unlock it

[marble crater]

Buy with "dockets", select 4 at mission start and then button combination to use during the mission, yea

[gray juniper]

At higher difficulty they are mixed up apparently

Like a mission modifier

[marble crater]

That's from jammers, need to destroy them

[pale prairie]

Arbideez nutz

[pale prairie]

The thing is the higher difficulties can really swing from insanity to chill and it’s absolutely awesome. Level 10 is a 10/10 no notes

[pale prairie]

Depends. In Darktide you can absolutely main character superhero save runs thanks to having an actual talent tree.

Not so much 2 min lifespan helldiver

[pale prairie]

No weapons range and it absolutely infuriates players

[pale prairie]

There are several modifiers and enemy structures that fuck with call ins. In the early days of the game, some of the mission modifiers would mean 25% longer cooldowns on stratagems AND innaccurate fire support

[gray juniper]

Dope

It’s like real war n shit

Some of the air supports look cool af too

[strong gulch]

Sut already pro at HD2.

I'm just a casual.

[summer grotto]

Do flesh tearer and lacerate work with assail?

like puncture?

[strong gulch]

I feel so seen.

[brazen compass]

generally, it's easy up until about 8, because 8 has armored trash enemies and they're frequent

Between 8 and 10 it's not much of a jump

I'd say even 8 and 10 aren't bad when you have good game sense, but the deathloops are brutal

[fresh panther]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1377682448040722432/bloodknife.gif

[pale prairie]

It is by far the most cinematic game I have ever played.

Random moments with explosions and close calls will happen and you’ll almost stop and wonder if you’re watching a cutscene

[pale prairie]

Yes if you get in a cycle of death and enemy reinforcements then you are fucked for a bit. Especially when it happens around the objective

[brazen compass]

Fortresses and getting sniped by cannons that you could've sworn was geometry, and don't give off muzzle flashes

[pale prairie]

Yes the instant cannon deaths are aggravating but funny. Just enough time to go “OH SHIII—“

[brazen compass]

First shot makes you pray for God, second shot sends you to God

[marble crater]

I'm still bad, I don't know what I'm doing

[strong gulch]

We might know the same at this point. lmao

Idk what gun names are. There's like 4 that I know.

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/count-dooku-christopher-lee-star-wars-gif-23719747

“Guides are not in the pins”

[strong gulch]

I can't fire up the game right now to make sure, but my gut says no because puncture is on a ranged weapon and assail is ranged.

Try testing in the meat grinder to confirm.

[marble crater]

I mean more like how to play the missions, feels like we just mark something on the map and then we either go there or not

Darktide is easy, just follow the map

[strong gulch]

Randoms vs a team.

[zealous wing]

flesh tearer and lacerate?

[strong gulch]

Sometimes it's better to split up. The scout armor passive scans at your pin too.

[strong gulch]

Ye

[zealous wing]

they are melee weapon blessings, so no i wouldnt think they'd work on assail

[strong gulch]

This is darktide tho.

[zealous wing]

yeah and

[strong gulch]

Assume at your own risk.

[zealous wing]

well my FGS isnt giving my assail an extra +5 strength per 20% peril

but for sake of sanity, ill put it on my combat blade and try for you

[strong gulch]

Ye. You never know what this game will do. Weirder things have happened. Like even things in the actively used part of the code just not doing anything.

[mental rock]

I am 99% sure ft and lacerate do not work on assail

[pale prairie]

The potato bears the scars of assumption

[zealous wing]

no bleed

[pale prairie]

Yeah it’s really hard having an open map with so many decisions

[marble crater]

Hard because randoms

[fresh panther]

Tbf, not unlike darktide, you only really need one solid kit to handle just about every situation. Variety is nice to keep the game interesting but if you want to perform learning just a handful of weapons very well will take you far

At least that's what I tell myself while running the same shit for the hundredth time

[zealous wing]

ok unironically dealing over 1000 dps on a reaper with a knife is funny to me and idk why

FGS doing only slightly more with heavy hits

[pale prairie]

Just carry like you do in Darktide!

[dusk timber]

cause its a knife

it shouldnt do that much fucking damage

but it does

[zealous wing]

yeah but sword

[dusk timber]

and its fucking amazing

[zealous wing]

heavy ass sword

[dusk timber]

exactly

thats why its so funny

[pale prairie]

Eruptor my beloved

[zealous wing]

i also love that the push shoves things too far away for you to hit with the quickattack anyway

talk about a warning shot

sticking with FGS because crowd clear necessary but, im glad i kept the knife

[fresh panther]

Absolute Chad choice of primary

[zealous wing]

also big sword go bonk

a very satisfying visual feedback

[fresh panther]

Been really loving it vs illuminates, need to try it vs bots again but a lil worried about bug hoppers getting in my shit

[pale prairie]

It’s either that or purifier but I cannot put down the bolter feeling gun

[pale prairie]

I usually run it with the stalwart. Only way to survive. Against bugs I always bring gas backpack

[marble crater]

I can't even carry weapons, because they aren't unlocked yet

[pale prairie]

Bruh…..I’ll take you to level 10
And call in a mech suit for you

[fresh panther]

Stalwart is a nice call for clearing small targets too close for the eruptor

[fresh panther]

That's the dominator for me, very much a helldivers boltgun imo

[pale prairie]

True true it’s a great response to bots

[marble crater]

I will still die, probably

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/station19-diane-lewis-we-learn-when-we-learn-we-learn-learning-gif-25243114

[fresh panther]

This is what got me using it - purifier probably works great on them too

[zealous wing]

me when i was dragged into an auric maelstrom after maining malice and struggling in heresy:

[pale prairie]

Yeah the explosion is helpful and it’s a oneshot I believe if you can hit the head

2 shot to body

[fresh panther]

I just gotta get used to not blowing myself up when a lil jetpack shitter closes the gap - maybe my eruptor training has got me closer lol

[pale prairie]

And look at you now! Having hot takes and handing out advice!

[fresh panther]

Oh hell yea that sounds great

[pale prairie]

I only take eruptor cause of the heavy penetration

Otherwise purifier would be my main

[marble crater]

I could use the Eruptor

[gray juniper]

It’s incredibly fucked up that they let the game port to Xbox but after they decided to have the defense of earth play out

[marble crater]

Xbox divers have New Alexandria to take back

[pale prairie]

Eruptor with the regular machine gun or stalwart is a very good loadout. Pair it with the spike grenades for really tough armor.

2 eruptor shots to the charger butt should explode it and leave them bleeding out.

You’ll still need a response to stuff like bile titans.

Two eruptor shots directly to the face of the big robot hulks will kill them.

[marble crater]

Maybe I try Eruptor, Stalwart, Thermite, Backpack, 500kg, Gas. Don't have any great secondary weapon yet, taking grenade pistol with Eruptor seems redundant too

[gray juniper]

Dawg I don’t even know what that is 😭

[gray juniper]

Do you get two large size main guns to carry if you want?

By two large I mean two rifle length guns

[pale prairie]

Yeah take the machine pistol for now. Helps with close chaff clear. Or senator if you want heavy armor pen as a backup to the stalwart

[gray juniper]

Most games force a handgun-battle rifle + set up

[pale prairie]

Yes so you have a primary slot, a secondary slot, and a support slot that can be anything from a grenade launcher, to a laser cannon to a machine gun

[gray juniper]

Omg that’s amazing. Three?

[pale prairie]

Yep there’s also grenades and backpack

[gray juniper]

Wait so support is like the shield backpack or gun as a choice?

[marble crater]

Yes, but it's a stratagem, so you are giving something up for having a 3rd weapon

[pale prairie]

Support is a gun that doesn’t cleanly fit among standard rifles/shotguns. some of those guns have a backpack to offset their usefulness

[gray juniper]

Oh my my my. Maybe not

[marble crater]

But they are great guns, so probably worth it most of the time

[gray juniper]

So it’s a weapon class itself

[pale prairie]

So the “autocannon” is an extremely well rounded support weapon that is basically an artillery platform for your shoulder that has flak explosive and high penetration rounds. As an extra cost though for its usefulness you carry the ammo in a backpack

[gray juniper]

Smart teams would probably have their front liners pick that with two guys in the back with supply and medical

[pale prairie]

Exactly. Really good teams should have a couple of weapon specialists and a couple of stratagem focused people.

The big thing at higher difficulties much like Darktide is: “who is taking care of the armor and the super large enemies”

[marble crater]

Portable Hellbomb

[gray juniper]

Yea there has to be a ordnance guy that’s a given

[pale prairie]

I need to get that for when the tunnel missions come

[marble crater]

The tunnels are already there I was in one and it wasn't pretty

[pale prairie]

It makes it super fun cause then you got anti armor, chaff clearing, and then the guys with all the artillery call ins and orbital lasers and stuff

[pale prairie]

Fuck yes

[gray juniper]

JTACs in helldivers

[marble crater]

But I think these might be small tunnels? We walked into a small section of the map that was tunnels. So probably not the main new thing with the tunnels. Just something to get used to them maybe

[gray juniper]

Ngl I would probably LARP as a recon type and small man sneaky ops

[pale prairie]

Yeah we have to get to a Hive world where the whole map is one tunnel network

[marble crater]

Going to be awful

No eagle to help you now

[gray juniper]

I thought you played mass effect 2

[pale prairie]

Absolutely possible. They have some really strong battle rifle sniper rifle primaries. And one of the base armors is called “recon” which lowers the distance enemies can see you. Crawling or crouching makes you even harder to see

[gray juniper]

Oh my stars

[pale prairie]

Or artillery. Or orbital rail cannon or laser or even ammo call ins except in specific spots

[pale prairie]

The halo warbond is expensive but gives you a silenced sub machine gun and silenced pistol

[gray juniper]

Probably I would to do true recon and roll with a short automatic and back up ordnance

[marble crater]

Yeah, when I was in the tunnel everything was blocked, so you can't waste the cooldowns either at least

[gray juniper]

Stop reading my mind

[pale prairie]

https://youtube.com/shorts/ZvOm7lkeDu4?si=o85xbwI0PWwQeDOh

[pale prairie]

Explosives are killing team even more

[marble crater]

Why is the gun German?

[pale prairie]

Cause it’s a super efficient one bullet one kill gun

Railgun

[marble crater]

[gray juniper]

Ok that’s pretty dope. If I see two guys with one doing sniper and the other short barrel auto I’m gonna…

[pale prairie]

There’s a support weapon called the Antimaterial rifle that functions like a juiced up Barret 50 cal. So you could do that and one of the plethora of auto machine gun primaries (the liberator penetrator is nice cause you can eliminate recoil with weapon mods and give it a drum mag)

[gray juniper]

Whatever would be light weight, high magazine, accurate and moderate power would be realistic

That sounds like crazy fun too

For the up close guy I mean

The sniper work was pretty good from that guy. True recon would be not firing on the crowd, but I understand his urge to give in

[marble crater]

Urge to troll the team, can't wait to be good enough to do that

[spiral mist]

Trusted and smart sparkheads I humbly ask

Anyone know what to do this these curio things?

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-andor-partagaz-thesis-major-partagaz-lio-partagaz-anton-lesser-gif-16819386885248191220

I mean if you’re asking what people use.

With Ogryn (and my psyker) I go all toughness with +5s for health, toughness, and then stamina regeneration for Ogryn

[spiral mist]

No i mean I have no idea what these things are

My friend told me to buy 3 of them and promptly fucked off

[pale prairie]

Curios are basically gear

[ripe obsidian]

Passive buffs

[pale prairie]

Instead of armor you get three curios that can slightly buff aspects of your character

[ripe obsidian]

Equip them to be better at things

By the grace of My Beloved

[spiral mist]

[pale prairie]

There are

Health boosting curio
Toughness boosting
Stamina boosting
And wounds curios

Each curio beyond its main stat boosting can have 3 minor buffs to other stats as well

[spiral mist]

......I have a hand and 2 pieces of paper

[strong gulch]

General curio rec (non high havoc) is 201 hp and x1 sniper resist. That let's you tank a sniper shot and multiple bursters. How you get there is up to you. General perks to opt for are health, toughness, and cool down reduction (they are not or are less conditionally useful).

BUT curios are preference, playstyle dependent, and what your current needs are (may change with difficulty, build, or skill level, etc). If you never get shot by snipers, you can easily drop the sniper resist.

Things like gunner resist maybe be more helpful when you can't use cover and other things as effectively due to skill issue, etc. Consequently it will become less helpful as you get better at positioning and using cover. It may become helpful again in havocs. Things like that make them more "choose you own adventure".

(This is meant for psykers. IDK anything about oggy.)

[pale prairie]

DR against certain enemies CDR, more toughness or health etc

[pale prairie]

They should each say a stat underneath the name or picture

[strong gulch]

Ye

[pale prairie]

You can do it

Read

[spiral mist]

Stamina wound toughness

[pale prairie]

Or post a screen cap

[strong gulch]

Disregard the actual name of the curios. They don't mean much.

Pay attention to if the main stat is health, toughness, stam, or wound.

[pale prairie]

Wounds are not super useful unless you are still learning.

Stamina is not super useful for Ogryn cause you already get so many bars.

Toughness or health are good but you should really stack up on one stat or the other

[strong gulch]

You won't get access to max curios until higher player level

[pale prairie]

Or unless you intentionally cripple yourself

[marble crater]

Who would do such a thing and run 9 stamina?

[pale prairie]

Say her name 3 times and she will appear

Karien, Karien, Karien

[marble crater]

Karien, Carrien, Karryen

[spiral mist]

https://tenor.com/view/beetlejuice-michael-keaton-its-showtime-gif-7873588

[strong gulch]

I'm just making the game more immersive. I'm out here irl with a weak constitution and use a cane.

[pale prairie]

Max stats for health is 21%
Max toughness stat is 17%

[spiral mist]

I decided Im gonna sit in team 50 while I look through this

[marble crater]

Also, I thought you just wanted to gather how to play ogryn better, but you are actually super new to the game, welcome

[spiral mist]

Yesnt

[pale prairie]

Goddamn potato unlocked that hardest difficulty beyond havoc 40. IRL 247

[spiral mist]

Played a bit haven't played much didn't play for along while

Wanna be the best ogryn I can be

[marble crater]

There is an entire ogryn guide pinned in their channel, if you didn't know

[strong gulch]

Alas. I cannot help with oggy things.

[spiral mist]

But honestly this is the only chat that gave me straight answers XD

[strong gulch]

I am only psyker.

[pale prairie]

Ogryn is an excellent place to start if relearning the game

[spiral mist]

Oh I've only ever used ogryn

Except 1 game id arbities

[marble crater]

It's just psyker, but bigger

Absolute humans

[spiral mist]

Yes you cast bees I cast mace!

[ripe obsidian]

Have you tried putting purity seals on the cane?

[pale prairie]

No make a cane from a large sacred bone

[marble crater]

Why not both?

[strong gulch]

I have not.

I have tried making dice for table top games out of sealing wax. I have a D20 that's mostly hot glue.

[marble crater]

Also with a weak constitution I would avoid using spells that require concentration, you will probably fail your saving throws

[strong gulch]

Brain FOG and ADHD means I pre-fail those. 😭

I forgot "fog" lmao.

[marble crater]

Perfect dump stat in this case then

[ripe obsidian]

Does this imply that Barbarian Rage is just brain fog and ADHD?

[strong gulch]

IDK too much about DnD stuff, but sounds like a mood to me.

[marble crater]

Karlach killed half my team after the Paladin fight

She is crazy

[strong gulch]

What did you do to her? Was it ||the fire?||

[marble crater]

I helped her get revenge and then her rage was still active after the fight, me being a noob still had a bad time

[ripe obsidian]

"You can imbue yourself with a primal power called Rage, a force that grants you extraordinary might and resilience. You can enter it as a Bonus Action if you aren't wearing Heavy armor.

You can enter your Rage the number of times shown for your Barbarian level in the Rages column of the Barbarian Features table. You regain one expended use when you finish a Short Rest, and you regain all expended uses when you finish a Long Rest.

...

You can't maintain Concentration, and you can't cast spells."

[radiant frigate]

you regain one rage on short rest?

if only bg3 did that

[ripe obsidian]

It's a 2024 change. Was long rest only in 2014 rules

[umbral oyster]

Hello psyker nation, anyone up for some tiding of the dark?

[solid pond]

what is the general go to psyker havoc purg/shield build?

oh pinned

[ripe obsidian]

Or you can be brave and bold and use Shriek instead of Bubble. :D

[lilac raft]

someone could give me a fun build on the psyker? nothing strong just fun

[strong gulch]

This sounds like a good description of how hyperfocus is not the same as concentration.

[marble crater]

Elektro, Assail, Dueling Sword, Shriek, Disrupt Destiny

[pale prairie]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e81f1c9-3b63-4dc3-809b-9aee0aef4d51/evil-hatchetmancer

[pale prairie]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f6c6f78-07e9-4f95-9d87-83051928de7c/psyker-melee-7

[ripe obsidian]

Fun is relative. What is fun to you?

[pale prairie]

Stealing soulblaze

[strong gulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1004447866250613048/1350220757657059469/Soulblaze_Yummy.gif

[marble crater]

Please no, I still have nightmares from some UnsanctionedPsyker doing that to me

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-duck-thats-me-only-me-gif-13516013

[strong gulch]

Yes.

[ripe obsidian]

Getting more Soulblaze damage as EK+Shriek than the Inferno users is my forte

[verbal thistle]

@buoyant maple Do you know how the Elite damage aura is calculated?

[ripe obsidian]

I will find out.

[acoustic jacinth]

With just PC and CF? Kindred, what inferno psykers are ye playing with?

[ripe obsidian]

stat buff: damage_vs_elites

Increases any damage against elites by 7.5% for Psyker and allies who are in coherency with Psyker. Stacks additively with other damage buffs, and multiplicatively with power level buffs from weapon blessings. Does not stack with the same aura from another Psyker.

coherency = {
            damage_vs_elites = 0.075,
            max_stacks = 1,
        },

[verbal thistle]

"Stacks additively with other damage buffs, and multiplicatively with power level buffs from weapon blessings"

this is what I was looking for, thanks

[ripe obsidian]

local vs_elites_damage_stat_buff = (is_target_elite and attacker_stat_buffs.damage_vs_elites or 1) - 1

[buoyant maple]

same as superiority complex

[verbal thistle]

so not worth it

[buoyant maple]

well

[verbal thistle]

very little value

[buoyant maple]

on psyker, usually no

the other 2 auras are just better

[verbal thistle]

Yeah

[ripe obsidian]

damage_stat_buffs = damage_stat_buffs + vs_elites_damage_stat_buff

[buoyant maple]

they prob should swap places between CDR and elite dmg aura
might make it a bit more balanced of a choice

[strong gulch]

No. EK and shriek with PC , KF, amd sometimes wildfire. This build has longer range and is better at getting first app. Whoever applies SB first, even with just 1 stack, own all of the damage from subsequent stacks and sustained SB damage.

[buoyant maple]

dmg calculation example

[ripe obsidian]

I run ahead of them and press the fire button first.

[verbal thistle]

why are my grahpic settings in russian

guh?

[ripe obsidian]

Mine are as well. A mod probably does it

I kinda hate that you can run the game at extreme. I drop to sub-60 FPS in H40 hordes on low/medium.

[verbal thistle]

I cant

I was getting screenshots for thumbnails

This one

[dusk timber]

So CDR on left path and elite damage on middle?

[buoyant maple]

ya

[dusk timber]

Hmm

Idk i feel like cdr is more fitting for middle path than a damage buff

[acoustic jacinth]

Yeah so just the usual meta talent tree. Still surprised though, since inferno well, is inferno

[dusk timber]

Maybe it could be increased to 10% damage like arbites right aura and ogryn left aura

[verbal thistle]

@ripe obsidian @buoyant maple Does Psykinetic's Aura count base cooldown for the % reduced or current like if I have Seer's Presence

[dusk timber]

It should at least get that

[verbal thistle]

does that make sense?

[strong gulch]

Ye. It's common for EK shriek to have more SB damage than inferno.

[verbal thistle]

is it 4% off the base 30 seconds or the 26 seconds if I have middle aura

[acoustic jacinth]

Hmmm. Does EK have anything do with it? I feel like i'm misunderstanding something. All i know about EK is the greater finesse and damage multiplier gamble

[ripe obsidian]

I believe the aura is the base CDR, alongside curios, then other talents are applied to the new cooldown.

Like, the CDR from warp siphon is on the 26, not the 30, in your example

[verbal thistle]

I see

I coudlnt find Kuli talking about it

[dusk timber]

Thats the left keystone right?

[verbal thistle]

he only talks about CDR on stims and curios

[ripe obsidian]

He has a bit about it in the WS section

"Upon activation, reduces the maximum cooldown of Psyker's combat ability by 7.5% per currently held warp charge. Interacts with Combat Ability Regeneration from curios and other maximum cooldown reductions from Seer's Presence or the difficulty mutators that reduce ability cooldowns by 20%.

For example, when Psyker with Seer's Presence aura (-0.1), four warp charges and three 4% Combat Ability Regeneration curio perks (-0.12) uses Telekine Shield, its maximum cooldown of 40s is first reduced by aura and curio perks to 40+40x(-0.1-0.12)=31.2 seconds. This max cooldown is then considered by Warp Siphon and further reduced by the warp charge-based reduction to 31.2-31.2x(0.075x4)=21.84 seconds."

[buoyant maple]

if cooldown = 30s
and u have 3x CDR curio perks + seer's presence
final CD is 30 x (1-0.1-0.04x3) = 23.4s

[verbal thistle]

then psyk aura reduces 4% off the 23.4

I see

[strong gulch]

EK has longer range, kills a single PC proccing enemy faster, builds more peril for shriek spam, and has higher mobility that can more easily put the EK user ahead of the inferno user to access enemies first.

The EK meta build steals the SB damage because it is easier to get first SB application. If EK user puts 1 SB stack on a monster, then an inferno user brings the SB stacks to 15, the EK user owns all of the SB in terms of damage.

[buoyant maple]

oh wait

u were asking abt psyk aura

not psyker's cd aura

nvm

uh

[verbal thistle]

I hate psyker talent wording....

soulstealer/souldrinker

[ripe obsidian]

Oh, I also thought you meant the aura. Hold on

I will get an answer

[verbal thistle]

psyk aura/seer presence

[acoustic jacinth]

Oh, i see now. That's... questionable but i understand. Thank you for the explanation and the time 👍

[buoyant maple]

I think psyk aura is 4% from 30s

[verbal thistle]

Looking through kuli's guide and he doesnt say otherwise

[buoyant maple]

it doesn't interact with CDR curio perk or seer's presence

[ripe obsidian]

PlayerUnitAbilityExtension.reduce_ability_cooldown_percentage = function (self, ability_type, reduce_percetage)
    local max_cooldown = self:max_ability_cooldown(ability_type)
    local reduce_time = reduce_percetage * max_cooldown

    self:reduce_ability_cooldown_time(ability_type, reduce_time)
end

Seems to be based on the full cooldown

[verbal thistle]

base cooldown. NOT the current with cdr talents/curios

Okay

[dusk timber]

Does it also apply to the other players or only to the one who got the kill

[buoyant maple]

all players in psyker's coherency

[verbal thistle]

all

[dusk timber]

Damn

[verbal thistle]

oh hi kuli

[brisk rock]

it accounts for the current max cooldown

[verbal thistle]

Current max

god I hate fatshark wording

[brisk rock]

the guide lists flat reductions without any additional sources of max cooldown reductions

[verbal thistle]

Okay, misread then

Thanks

[buoyant maple]

should just delete the talent to avoid all this confusion

[verbal thistle]

real

[buoyant maple]

so with seer's presence + 3x CDR curio perk
would it scale 4% of 30s or 4% of 23.4s each proc

current max should be 23.4s?

[brisk rock]

first, 30s are reduced by seer's presence and curio stat to 30-30x0.22=23.4. then on proc of Psykinetic's Aura, 4% of this current max cooldown are removed from the remaining cooldown, so 23.4x0.04=0.936s per proc

[ripe obsidian]

Ah. I didn't read enough. This?

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/dc3388395e5cef46a39237ae3ab24e2771e91f6c/scripts/extension_systems/ability/player_unit_ability_extension.lua#L695

[verbal thistle]

lmao

[ripe obsidian]

I get bullied by that as well.

[brisk rock]

this is how the current maximum cooldown is determined. that max cooldown is then put through this function: https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/dc3388395e5cef46a39237ae3ab24e2771e91f6c/scripts/extension_systems/ability/player_unit_ability_extension.lua#L792-L797

[ripe obsidian]

It seems to be...

local max_ability_cooldown = math.max(0, base_cooldown * ability_cooldown_modifier - ability_cooldown_flat_reduction)

Into this:

PlayerUnitAbilityExtension.reduce_ability_cooldown_percentage = function (self, ability_type, reduce_percetage)
    local max_cooldown = self:max_ability_cooldown(ability_type)
    local reduce_time = reduce_percetage * max_cooldown

    self:reduce_ability_cooldown_time(ability_type, reduce_time)
end

[ripe obsidian]

I posted that part a bit earlier, but was missing the max_cooldown part

Thank you for clarifying

[brisk rock]

if you want to confuse yourself, go look at how those max cooldown increases from veteran's combat abilities are handled

[verbal thistle]

oh no

[brisk rock]

because those stack multiplicatively with Seer's Presence and curio stats, not additively

[verbal thistle]

wouldn't be a fatshark game without jank

well, thank you for clarifying.

[ripe obsidian]

I wonder if Vet's CDR will be changed to be additive when they get reworked

[dusk timber]

The 6s on specialist/elite kill?

[ripe obsidian]

Per what Kuli said, Veteran's combat ability CDR is multiplicative instead of additive for some reason

[brisk rock]

no, only the two combat ability nodes with combat_ability_cooldown_modifier. Tactical Awareness works exactly like Psykinetic's Aura, it just removes a flat amount instead of a percentage

[dusk timber]

Oh ok

I was confused because those two dont actually reduce cooldown

So using cdr to refer to them made me second guess lol

[ripe obsidian]

How weird that Veteran gets combat_ability_cooldown_modifier instead of what appears to be the more standard ability_cooldown_modifier.

[brisk rock]

the terminology is a mess in this regard, which is kind of a tradition because there is similar confusion in Vermintide 2 about "cooldown regeneration" and "cooldown reduction" in ingame descriptions. generally, there's two types of reductions: one that reduces the maximum cooldown of an ability (e.g. 30s Voice of Command down to 25s), and a second that reduces the current remaining cooldown by a specific amount additionally to the base cooldown regen rate (e.g. Concentration Stimm or Psykinetic's Aura)

[buoyant maple]

it'll prob get changed to a x% cooldown rate modifier

[ripe obsidian]

I will rephrase: I wonder if it will be standardized

[buoyant maple]

ofc not

this is a fatshark game

[strong gulch]

Not a copy editor in sight. They never heard of one. Doesn't matter if code or a description.

[buoyant maple]

Only in Death is x150% max CD
Overwatch is x133% max CD
Both are separate multiplier onto max CD

[dusk timber]

Tbh they could prob even drop the cooldown penalty

[ripe obsidian]

How frustrating

[ripe obsidian]

Give me a visa and I'll move to Sweden to do it.

[marble crater]

I could do it without a visa, we can go into voice chat and you tell me what to do

[ripe obsidian]

I want the visa more than the job. Get me out of the US.

[marble crater]

With that I can't help

[strong gulch]

If you can study then work, I hear Germany is one of the better picks for people trying to leave the US.

If you can't, well you're stuck.

This easily gets into the "shouldn't be discussed here" territory, so I won't say more.

[marble crater]

I wouldn't recommend studying German though, difficult

[ripe obsidian]

I speak Norwegian. Is similar.

Not good Norwegian, mind.

[marble crater]

Yeah it's sung German

Who thought we needed multiple flying bile titans

[ripe obsidian]

Are there any swimming bile titans?

[marble crater]

No, but from what I understand Helldivers can't swim anyway

[pale prairie]

so beautiful

yes you drown pretty fast

[pale prairie]

probably a german dev

[dusk timber]

This good for a lvl 16 psyker?

[marble crater]

It was hell

[marble crater]

Sure

Maybe switch mind in motion to the other one

[pale prairie]

And thats why you dove right in

[dusk timber]

Not having that movement speed penalty feels way better for me

[marble crater]

Yeah sure, after that I selected d9 and did quick play, actually won so I think I have d10 unlocked now

[marble crater]

You can just slide instead

[strong gulch]

You can quell while sliding. Sliding around is important in general, but especially on psyker.

[verbal thistle]

funny how sliding is most important on psyker and they have the most slide dodge linger

[marble crater]

Buff psyker

[pale prairie]

The extra damage from malefic momentum is actually pretty big. 25 percent and the stacks drop off one at a time. really flows well into the melee then bees then melee flow

[spiral mist]

Lol ever since I started talking in here I've had a psyker every game

So much lightning

[dusk timber]

Ngl my flow is more like bees into bees into bees into sometimes melee into bees

[pale prairie]

just takes 5 melee kills for your bees to be improved for 40 sec

[dusk timber]

I'll try that then

[marble crater]

Or gun

[dusk timber]

I assume soulblaze counts as warp damage

[marble crater]

Yes

[dusk timber]

Going to run this now then

[pale prairie]

looks good. get warpsplitting at some point to really max Bee cleave

[dusk timber]

Oh shit thats universal cleave

[pale prairie]

yeah baby

as you fire you get getter

[dusk timber]

Should i replace the modifier on assail for it?

[pale prairie]

i would

[dusk timber]

Cause i assume they do the same thing overall

[strong gulch]

Base assail cleave is 2.

ES adds +1

WS gives +2 and brings overall cleave to 4 targets at >50% peril.

Most builds drop ES.

Sorry for the repeated editing. Typing hard.

[pale prairie]

I am trying to do it in maelstrom lmao

[marble crater]

You must be really pro if you can chat here while in a maelstrom. Was Karien your teacher?

[pale prairie]

never played with her T.T

[marble crater]

Missing out

[dusk timber]

Ok they 100% do not drop one at a time

[pale prairie]

my bad I Thought I saw them do that on the bar and then never paid attention again

regardless a talent that doesn't encourage you to learn an important tech is not worth it

[pale prairie]

it's good to have goals

[marble crater]

Yep, Mind in Motion is not helpful, before long you will slide a lot anyway out of necessity to dodge, then slide because it's quicker for short distances and then add quelling out of necessity anyway. Might as well learn it early

[pale prairie]

and the slide duck can save you from sniper SOMETIMES

[marble crater]

Yeah, mine is getting gud in Helldivers. Going from a game you are good at to one you suck at, hurts the ego so much

[pale prairie]

Oh for sure. I felt the exact way transitioning from counterstrike to cod and then to Darktide

[marble crater]

Maybe I should play some lower difficulties to have a chance to learn the basics and farm samples, so many samples...

[weary sable]

Guess the loadout(s).

[pale prairie]

Honestly play at the one that’s fun! But yeah I mostly play 10s for fun and cause I’ve upgraded everything. I think I farmed 6-8 depending on how skilled I felt

[pale prairie]

Rumbler

[weary sable]

Wrong. Ogryns ranged weapon was a Grenade Gauntlet.

Next.

[jovial juniper]

GG

[weary sable]

🙂

[jovial juniper]

Wish it had better blessings though

[verbal thistle]

whuh

why?

it already has options and an amazing power blessing

[proper osprey]

Try scries gaze

[jovial juniper]

Because Pinpoint is the only one good blessing

[verbal thistle]

no?

[icy breach]

all you need is pinpointing & disruptive/shattering

[verbal thistle]

even gloryhunter is an option

[jovial juniper]

Glory Hunting is fine yeah

[verbal thistle]

even blazeaway

if you want to melee

[jovial juniper]

Otherwise just brace with Steady Grip

Lemme pester Cole so they add Skrusher to it

[dusk timber]

How do the greatswords work

I just kill shit and the special becomes gooder?

[jovial juniper]

Yeah

No bar is only stagger

1 bar is horde clear

2 bar is elite hurting

[dusk timber]

What blessings for it

[proper osprey]

Sherd riposte

Or shred wrath

Precog is good as well

[woven gale]

Consistently getting lowest damage using void strike staff and the enpowered tree. Not sure what im doing wrong

[pale prairie]

The middle keystone?

[woven gale]

Yeah thats right. I run the left one with inferno staff but the middle feels better for trying to pop BB

[proper osprey]

Just making sure it’s void strike yes?

[woven gale]

Yeah thats right

[proper osprey]

Do gaze

With dd

[pale prairie]

Voidstrike benefits more from right side of the tree

And going nexus warp for sure

Crit focus

[proper osprey]

Especially warp splitting

[dusk timber]

Just got did an orthus mission from quickplay

[woven gale]

Hmm i haven't messed the right side much. Can give it a try

[dusk timber]

Which one is shred?

[ripe obsidian]

Crit on repeated bonk

[proper osprey]

It’s really good with melee psyker

[pale prairie]

Think of it like a gun more than a staff and focus on stuff that boosts finesse, crit chance, and crit damage

[woven gale]

Yeah ive got crot chance and damage on the staff

And wrap nexus

Warp

[proper osprey]

Do flak unyielding for perks

And warp nexus and surge

[pale prairie]

You can also go warp flurry instead of surge too

[woven gale]

Yeah ive got warp nexus and surge

[proper osprey]

Yeah that’s true

[pale prairie]

Battle meditation can also be sometimes useful if you get lucky on shots into horde

[woven gale]

Thoughts on additional dd talents? Seems like perfectionism for sure

[proper osprey]

Lingering influence

Dd targets aren’t always available

[woven gale]

Gotcha

[proper osprey]

If it worked like execution order it would be amazing

[pale prairie]

Yes give me more targets

[proper osprey]

@woven gale have you tried melee psyker?

[pale prairie]

That thing has so many fucking amazing passive buffs you can tag onto it

[dusk timber]

Gonna try out scrier next match

[woven gale]

I have not haha

[woven gale]

Going to give something like this a shot

[pale prairie]

I would use assail to thin out just chaff hordes and pull out Voidstrike once elites show up. Try if you can to get a few melee kills so that malefic momentum juices up your staff bowling balls

[proper osprey]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e81f1c9-3b63-4dc3-809b-9aee0aef4d51/evil-hatchetmancer @woven gale @dusk timber I put other weapons you can use in the description

[pale prairie]

I did recommend this to someone asking for “fun not good builds”

[proper osprey]

I take this into havoc 40 lol

Melee psyker is the end game psyker

Or inferno

I guess

Melee psyker is incredibly good

I think I have a scoreboard somewhere

[pale prairie]

I know I am just messing. I do think it’s good

[jovial juniper]

They are trying to hold you back
Away from your full potential

Go perfectionism all the way

And hate airlocks/elevators

Holdout events where nothing happens

[tulip kettle]

and the general buginess of DD

but all the best players say perfectionism is pretty doodoo because you just cant maintain stacks high enough to make it worth it

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/get-back-back-stay-away-distancing-poke-gif-16608377

[tulip kettle]

so they are obviously gatekeeping you from achieving greatness like them and you should use it

[pale prairie]

It just depresses me watching it go from 25 to like 5 from one loading elevator

We need multiple tags. The one is not fast enough

[tulip kettle]

if someone really good at the game tells you something

just generally do the opposite

they dont want you to compete with them and give trash advice

[pale prairie]

Hmmmmm

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-a-hot-take-steve-terreberry-this-might-be-controversial-gif-4319274631307110999

[tulip kettle]

therefore the best curios are wound curios with revive speed and toughness regen

[jovial juniper]

Revive Speed

I get it

[pale prairie]

It’s a crutch. Why do you need to revive faster? You’re a pro and are never in danger

[jovial juniper]

I legit made an Ogryn build for reviving teammates faster

And got 5 games in a row where my team didn't go down

[ripe obsidian]

Be the change you want to see in the world.

There are barrels.

There are bursters.

[woven gale]

Idk the dd build just did pretty well. Tried in just heresy to statt but crushed. Will try auric now

[ripe obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1004447866250613048/1295449409160478781/chiquichico-ezgif.com-instagif.gif

[umbral oyster]

Its 2am I should sleep but I'm not tired. If anyone wants to run tide lmk

[pale prairie]

You get a win? Is this inferno?

[flat pendant]

Should I get disrupt destiny, empowered psionics, or warp siphon? (Running crit gun psyker build btw)

[pale prairie]

If it’s a gunker build you really want DD

You can also go Empowered but it means you’ll be leaning on Assail a bit more than your gun

[ripe obsidian]

Inferno + Shriek, 45 minute Ascension Riser

I know the Arby, the Zealot and Vet were randoms

[static sonnet]

Personally love DD with perfectionism, but you need Cruel Fortune too, the one below Perfectionism. Just whip out your great sword or forcesword on a mixed hoard and get headsgot kills, only takes 8.3 kills to get you to full stacks if you get all weakspot kills. Taking CF makes it waaay easier. It makes it so one kill buys you 15 seconds on the timer (3 stacks) instead of 5 (1 stack). As long as you get one marked weakspot kill every 15 seconds, you maintain your stacks. Seriously its really good raw damage.

I've oneshot crushers at full stacks with crit weakspots, if you dont crit its consistently 2 tap, with FGS.

[ruby tide]

your name is sus 👀

[thorn cedar]

man hadnt booted darktide up since i got my new gpu

playing gunker with more than 60fps flows so much better lol

[pale prairie]

Was worried that Darktide was gonna shit on your new GPU

[thorn cedar]

nah

i mean people shit on the game's optimization all the time but ive never felt it, even on my 1080

hell even on the 970 i had back during the beta

5070Ti tho, crushes it

tbh my CPU is probably still doing most of the heavy lifting in that regard, i just get to have much prettier graphics now

did you know this game has ray tracing??

seeing all the lights spin in the mid event of archivum actually almost made me motion sick lmao

[pale prairie]

It’s hard to focus when things are killing me

[thorn cedar]

just gotta kill them first

or in my case end up with a three stack of ogryns

basically got to sight see the entire time if i wanted to

[dusk timber]

Btw why exactly shouldnt i be using staffs before level 30?

Ive seen some people say not to and idk why

[verbal thistle]

staffs dont get much value until you get high blessing/stats and the talents at the bottom of the tree

[jovial juniper]

It's just the way stats scale with levels

[dusk timber]

How so

[ripe obsidian]

I was here first. >:(

[thorn cedar]

basically every stat on staves suffer horribly between 0-80 and in the very early game when you can't even buy a decent ilvl 380 staff so you're dealing with (as a gross, exagerrated example) a staff that does half the damage it should, in half the area, at twice the cost, and takes twice as long to quell

if you still find that fun then i mean, have at it, but i mostly think it leaves a very poor impression

[strong gulch]

sus

[lean token]

guys i just watched a tier list on class strength and psyker was like number 4. I was under the impression that this class was really strong what do you guys think

[buoyant maple]

Top 3 minimum
Mechanics-wise psyker is by far the most gamebreaking
Arb and ogryn are heavily stat-padded

[verbal thistle]

arby and ogryn dont need brains to perform

but if you min max psyker with skill you can do more

[lean token]

thats what i was thinking tbh. I swear psykers impact w purge staff is like one of the best things that even exist in the game

[buoyant maple]

It’s too good

[zinc phoenix]

I think I’d rather eat my own brain with a spoon than watch a tier list video

[lean token]

lmao i came in not trusting it already i just was curious what he thought and it might have been the wrongest takes ever to exist

[proper osprey]

Only staff I’d say that’s worth it is inferno other than that you will not have fun with other staffs

[proper osprey]

Melee psyker will out preform a zealot, purg psyker, and vet

Arby and oggy maybe if the people who playing them are good

[jovial juniper]

Whoever created that list is so wrong lmao

💀

[proper osprey]

Yeah psykers pretty crazy

[stark crown]

@jovial juniper Has a point if you can't snap onto enemies incredibly quick, in regards to well.. Perfectionist

[proper osprey]

Rare gale appearance

[stark crown]

More yummy bonuses

[proper osprey]

In psyker chat

[summer nebula]

Someone told me dueling sword is getting a nerf soon is this true?

[jovial juniper]

Yesnt

[stark crown]

I prefer Lingering

[proper osprey]

The pig is here

[stark crown]

Im here because I've straight up gotten so bored with the state of Veteran im running DC Psyker

thats how bored I am

[proper osprey]

Lingering is so cool

[summer nebula]

I am a pig

Thanks for noticing

[proper osprey]

This is a rare day

I’m gonna sc this

[proper osprey]

Show the build

[jovial juniper]

There's Chinese leaked changes that aren't final and make no sense

So yesnt

[summer nebula]

I jusy use inferno staff/bubble build

Ive heard dueling sword is just too op, its got great cleave while also being able to utilize a stab attack that can pierce armor

[ripe obsidian]

Don't make me burninate you

[modest perch]

ppl will call anything good op while saying damnation is too spicy in the same breath

[stark crown]

Fuck it lets see how dumb It'll be with it

[proper osprey]

It is really good it used to be a psyker exclusive (it should have stayed)

[summer nebula]

I used it as my first sword but moved on to the greatsword for the amount of cleave it has, but it sucks against armored dudes, should I swap back to the dueling sword? Is it meta?

[stark crown]

Bored lets see if I prefer the 25 stacks on DC or Lingering more

[proper osprey]

Show da build…..

[stark crown]

No..

[ripe obsidian]

Not a great cleave. Pretty mediocre. 4.5 hitmass base.

[proper osprey]

You little stinker

[summer nebula]

Someone told me that it cleaves decently and also is good against armored with the stab

[jovial juniper]

Which is also pretty above average

💀

[stark crown]

Dont get him started on H40 hitmass

[ripe obsidian]

Compared to what?

[jovial juniper]

To weapons with 1.5 to 3 cleave

[ripe obsidian]

Cleave is decent. Not good. It's much better for mobility and armor poking than horde clear

[proper osprey]

In this game there really isn’t a meta especially for psyker, your build will revolve around what you wanna use

[ripe obsidian]

That is not a helpful answer

[proper osprey]

For my psyker I run tac axe with voidblast

And I breeze through missions

Or die violently

Because melee psyker problems

@autumn smelt what do I do against bulwark spam with revlover and tac axe

Cope?

[stark crown]

Blitz

[proper osprey]

Mmmm assail da shield

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1027335984964190312/1412205492348129330/cat-ts-pmo.gif

[jovial juniper]

Just use your Tacaxe

[proper osprey]

Good idea gale

[jovial juniper]

There's no problem that can't be solved by melee

[zealous wing]

you can throw the shard above them and then aim at them to get a headshot

[proper osprey]

What about 23 of them

[zealous wing]

just a fun fact

[jovial juniper]

Melee harder

[proper osprey]

Why didn’t i think of this

Ur soooooo smart

We need to make you a dev

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/morbinmindset-morbius-its-morbin-time-sigma-male-michael-morbius-gif-25861412

[jovial juniper]

Ooh bad idea

[zealous wing]

you can also aim for legs or shoot them in the head with the revolver if youre tall

[proper osprey]

With force swords it’s not bad or dueling swords

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/mistamandrew-plans-i-have-plans-i-cannot-share-haters-gif-15485001350530694977

[proper osprey]

What’s the plans

What would you do

[jovial juniper]

I'm going to buff illisi

https://tenor.com/view/morbius-im-about-to-morb-its-morbin-time-morbius-sweep-marvel-gif-25782014

[proper osprey]

And tac axe too right?

[jovial juniper]

Sure

And Chaxe as well

Then I'm going to buff illisi again

Then buff Accatran shotgun

The buff illisi again

Then buff knife 3

Then illisi again

[proper osprey]

[jovial juniper]

Then cleavers

Then illisi

Then buff ds4

Then illisi

Oh also tweaks dclaw to deal less flak damage

[proper osprey]

@strong gulch how better is gaze vb compared to shrike vb?

[jovial juniper]

Then buff illisi again

[proper osprey]

Make it’s lights strike down

[jovial juniper]

You know what

I'm going to make every melee be an instakill

[stark crown]

nerfs to vet across the board

buffs to arby across the board

what else are we missing

[proper osprey]

Nerf power sword

Uh

[stark crown]

No no nerf activation

[proper osprey]

Nerf shovel

[stark crown]

slightly and i mean

[strong gulch]

Shriek VB is better. SG VB with assail is fun tho. Stil strong because VB.

[stark crown]

barely

increase the off damage

[jovial juniper]

Shovels already mid as it is

[proper osprey]

I would think gaze and being able to spam it would make a big difference but then again sb is amazing

[jovial juniper]

Let's give shobel Brutal Momentum

[strong gulch]

Ye. Shriek spam is shriek spam.

[jovial juniper]

(it doesn't hit breakpoints to matter)

[stark crown]

I was about to say

LMAO

"You know damn well that wont do shit"

[proper osprey]

Let’s give shovel shred

Actually give it precog

Push then precog

Instead of just weakspot damage

Fatshark please give the relic blade sunder

Thanks

[ripe obsidian]

I need one more event mission. Anyone wanna suffer with me?

[strong gulch]

A cat just super stole my chair. 😭

[ripe obsidian]

Rude feline

[strong gulch]

He left!!

[ripe obsidian]

Potato blew me off a ledge to stop me from stealing Soulblaze

[strong gulch]

🫡

[pale prairie]

They did what they had too

[summer nebula]

Yo I have a question

Is it this video?

https://youtu.be/hmXNt6631u0?si=yk9BdaAvnLDQSI4T

Why doesn't it embed bruh it looks like a sus link😭

The title is "which darktide class is the most powerful? Arbites update"

[prime elk]

you need to have the soldier role for embed perms

just talk more

[ripe obsidian]

I would stick around and play more, @strong gulch , but I am unwell this day and low on energy

[strong gulch]

fecking same

[plucky flax]

Nah this class is crap

[strong gulch]

please buff

[potent echo]

😔

[zealous wing]

k these clothing items, i see "mortis operative", and i've seen them before months ago, but i cant remember what they're actually from

[prime elk]

the mortis operative stuff is from the deluxe edition DLC

[summer nebula]

best melee for psyker?

is it dueling sword rn?

[potent echo]

Yesn't

[verbal thistle]

There is no best melee weapon

It's what you want in a build suits it the best

Force greatswords best single target

Forcesword with utility and misc others depending on mk

DS/knife/tactical axe for mobility

Dclaw has parry for killing a quick melee elite

Tactical axe has mobility stagger and horde clear

[zealous wing]

is the taxe actually good horde clear?

it seems pretty single target

[verbal thistle]

It can utilize brutal momentum easily with the power increase blessings

You can 1 shot 3 elites

[zealous wing]

[verbal thistle]

Plus its attack speed and psyker stam eco you can spam pa heavy

Try mk7 and push attack heavy spam a horde

Even works against a mixed horde

One with elites in it

[prime elk]

yeah it's really strong right now

[zealous wing]

ill give it a test on my fuckaround SG build i suppose

finesse dump yes?

i'd just have to remember crushers arent my job

[verbal thistle]

Always has been....

[verbal thistle]

Why finesse?

Do you know what that stat does?

[zealous wing]

idk its the axe i have, but i do know theres finesse damage, though i dont know exactly how it works

[pine shore]

Finesse is never dump

Not a single weapon has that or ever had

[zealous wing]

so mobility dump then, if i go hunting for one?

[pine shore]

Yes

[verbal thistle]

You can check what a weapon stat does by inspecting it

Mobility dump for all axes

(chain axe might have defense, it's been awhile)

[zealous wing]

idk i will never use chain axe again anyway :p

the chain weapon sounds are too painful

oh my god brunt shop actually cares

no gambling

[obtuse dome]

Dayum

Hes got your back today

[zealous wing]

k this look proper?

gonna bump it up to 500 still but doublechecking perks/blessings

[obtuse dome]

Maybe carapace instead of unarmored?

[zealous wing]

idk an exta 25% to 132 doesn't feel like it'd be worth it

[verbal thistle]

flak + unyeild/cara/maniac. Headtaker + BM

[zealous wing]

ah ok ill go maniac

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/bro-thinks-he-is-on-the-team-gif-734468567113922582

[summer nebula]

is 80% all around but 60% for defences on a dueling sword any good?

[zealous wing]

k taxe is crazy fun lmao

SG is a good fit for it

[verbal thistle]

finesse weapon when crit chance increase

https://tenor.com/view/killing-people-gif-5197116140293768212

[obtuse dome]

Purg staff was blaze away and the warp thing right?

[stark haven]

Speaking of purging staff, do I primarily use the mouse1 attack or mouse2 attack?

Holding M2 to charge feels too slow

[obtuse dome]

Font charge all the way

You dont have to to fully stack blaze away

And m1 is better to stagger ragers for example.

[stark haven]

What does font charge mean?

[obtuse dome]

Dont sry just a typi

Typo

Lol

You dont have to charge it upp all the way

[stark haven]

Ok, thanks

[summer grotto]

Do +X% cleave and +x% strength blessings affect Assail?

[zealous wing]

weapon blessings affect that weapon, talents that increase cleave or range dmg etc do affect assail

[radiant frigate]

blessings are only active when that weapon is outvand some of them are specifically tagged as only affecting melee

so no funny uncanny assail

[zealous wing]

much to our dismay

[radiant frigate]

i think the one blessimg that can affect assail is puncture

but that requires you to throw out assail and then immediately swap to bistol

(and you have to use bistol)

[near gale]

Difficulty of task(taking boltpistol): Impossible

[radiant frigate]

leave that shit on the mourningstar

[near gale]

The bolt pistol is good for what it does... but... I'm not sure if I would want to use it on a psyker

[radiant frigate]

well what does it do

other than annoy

[near gale]

Shoot with near perfect accuracy on the 1st shot after the recoil resets... has good mobility, has that 40k feel...

I'm not 100% sure what else besides lethal proxmity being a global aoe buff

[radiant frigate]

good mobility yes but a variety of other ranged weapons do that too

[near gale]

Yeah which is why I wouldn't really consider it for a psyker, myself

[radiant frigate]

reconlas, revolver, shotguns, the lighter variants of iag

laspistol

[near gale]

I'd just bring the laspistol yeah

or the recon or the infantry autogun <.<

Idk about the shotguns on psyker, but, the revolver for sure

[radiant frigate]

i guess you could say that it has mobility over revolver since bistol can just dump collateral and volvo can't

[near gale]

Just dump reload speed

[radiant frigate]

based and vetpilled

[near gale]

arby pilled as well since they have a 20% reload speed on elite/special kill talent >.>

then again

[zealous wing]

taxe is addicting

[near gale]

doesn't psyker have one where you reload faster but generate peril based on how much of the mag was reloaded?

[zealous wing]

yes

surety of arms

it says upto 15% peril but a full mag on a 180 clip reconlas is 25%

[near gale]

Fatshark descriptions at their finest

[zealous wing]

i have it on the SG build atm to see if it really affects anything but i already know how to reload quicker so its mostly useless to me with this gun. on a revolver tho its peak

[radiant frigate]

shares a slot with true aim innit

[zealous wing]

yup

[near gale]

Yep, ironically when I looked at the talent tree I immediately homed in on where it was even tho I don't know the psyker tree worth a shit

I apparently remembered where that talent was tho

[radiant frigate]

and idk about you but having a guaranteed instant crit every time i swap from melee sounds pretty good

[zealous wing]

ye its useful in specific cases

ye its nice

[near gale]

but can psyker 1 mag a crusher with the autopistol? These are the important questions in life and darktide.

[radiant frigate]

but they cannot use blood magic to put bullets back into the volvo

[near gale]

Maybe not, but, they can kill a crusher very quickly with the autopistol which is hilarious to me

[radiant frigate]

no because of a morbillion rending talents

[zealous wing]

anyway, removed SoA and got my toughness node back

[near gale]

iirc I didn't even go that far out of my way for this version

[zealous wing]

i do find it funny that they'd waste a whole clip on a crusher and not yknow, bonk it

[radiant frigate]

(there are actually zero clip-fed guns in darktide)

i wish blessings and talents would stop mentioning it

[near gale]

In the 2nd one I only used 19 bullets from the autopistol... and that was without break the line or a combat stim lol

[zealous wing]

im not gun nerdy enough to know the difference anyway

[near gale]

19 bullets for an autopistol to kill a crusher is stupid <.<

[zealous wing]

this is norway, you have to try real hard to get a gun

[near gale]

Well I don't know almost anything about norway... but does norway accept slayer bardins in vt2? :3

[zealous wing]

idk what that means 😭

i got the game but i haven't played it yet

and wont for a while

it was just on sale :p

[near gale]

It's the dedicated melee career for bardin in vt2 >.>

With the only ranged option being throwing axes

[zealous wing]

you can have axes if thats what you mean

[near gale]

which gets 3 axes which you can pick up by pressing e on them or holding the reload button to call them back to you

[radiant frigate]

(thank you wikipedia) these are clips

[zealous wing]

ah so mags are enclosed?

[radiant frigate]

notably, they are not magazines

[zealous wing]

and go in the bottom or side, yes? mags?

[radiant frigate]

clips are cheaper to make and somewhat disposable in a hurry
mags you very much want to keep

[radiant frigate]

wait until you find out about the bren gun

but generally yes

[zealous wing]

i see

i am learnt

cant guarentee i wont say clip but at least i know now

ty :D

[radiant frigate]

it's a pretty unhinged looking design

[lean token]

firearm knowledge spread in a darktide discord

the emperor protects

[zealous wing]

it looks upsidedown 😭

why does it have a pistol looking grip

[radiant frigate]

doing my duty as an honorary american 🫡

[lean token]

merca

[zealous wing]

it looks like a hunting rifle mashed with a pistol and an ak somethingsomething

how do you AIM

[lean token]

with your faith

im pretty sure those have canted iron sights

[radiant frigate]

it is older than the AK

[zealous wing]

😭

[radiant frigate]

there are sights next to the magazine

[lean token]

yea the irons are next to the mag

[near gale]

Know what sucks? Being curious... now I wanna see how the throwing axes would do on the ranger veteran bardin career... this is gonna suck <.<

[radiant frigate]

they're pretty funny

[near gale]

Apparently every time you throw one when you have the master of improvisation talent you reduce your career's cd by 2 <.<

So you can throw them at the ground and keep picking them up to get your career skill back faster

[radiant frigate]

funny boss damage if you ult and keep hitting the head with the thing whose name I forgot

the ammo refund on headshot

[near gale]

I mean... that sounds exactly like how the masterwork pistol is <.<

cause you can melt some bosses with that

[radiant frigate]

yeah but the pistol is stupid and smelly and you have to reload it

as opposed to chucking infinite axes

[lean token]

throwing 50 axes is faster than reloading

[near gale]

Counterpoint... if you miss your axe and it flies off you gotta reload it as well <.<

[lean token]

dont miss

[radiant frigate]

skill issue

[lean token]

like a professional

[near gale]

or if it lands outside of the playable area lol

still free bomb use with faster career recharge... this might be interesting at least

[radiant frigate]

i try my best to imagine mwp doesn't exist

[near gale]

I generally just use the handgun

It's more accurate, even tho it and the mwp do the same damage

[radiant frigate]

umgak pistol more like

[near gale]

sigh I walked backwards into the orange juice(lava)

Whoops lol

[radiant frigate]

that sounds vaguely lethal

[near gale]

It was a very... warm bath... >.>

I'm cleaner than I've ever been tho

[radiant frigate]

purified to the bone

[near gale]

I can take the ale dropping from special kills since I don't have a weapon with ammo, with these throwing axes

[zealous wing]

ok taxe isnt as good against the captains as FGS

infact its pretty bad lol

[verbal thistle]

Correct

[near gale]

I always take the 30% ammo restored from each thing, on ranger vet, normally

[verbal thistle]

That's when you light spam

Against cara

Everything else is pa heavy

[near gale]

Even barrels? >_>'

(i'm joking btw)

[radiant frigate]

captains are cara?

[near gale]

The twins are on the head, iirc

idk about the havoc captains

I thought they were flak tho for the assassination ones on the head

[verbal thistle]

Oops, I read captains as carapace

The captains are all flak, the twins though have a cara head

[quartz barn]

Shield should be unyielding

[zealous wing]

the shield wasnt an issue, but actually killing them was

[quartz barn]

Idk if the weakness to melee/ranged for the twins' shields is just a generic % however

[zealous wing]

normally a few good stabs and they're gone, this was a struggle

so as fun as taxe is its definitely not for the "bosskiller" build

i do wanna keep playing with it ofc, but, its definitely not being taken like this into a difficulty where i need to be serious

[quartz barn]

Could just use bistol

[zealous wing]

no

makes me motion sick

[quartz barn]

From the recoil?

[zealous wing]

yeah

[quartz barn]

Can probably fix that with mods

[zealous wing]

could, probably, but, im not using mods

[quartz barn]

But ive barely used bistol so idk

[verbal thistle]

Bubble is coded to be "void shield"

It's own armor type

[quartz barn]

Is that for all captains shields?

[verbal thistle]

Yes

[quartz barn]

Because the old imgur and gsheet say unyielding

[verbal thistle]

I have no way to directly prove it right now on mobile. But games lantern says it aswell

If I remember when I wake up I can find the code/ask someone who can

[quartz barn]

Ye im omw home from vacation so cant check either

Gib 7 hours i guess

[summer prairie]

I guess technically the actual proof is that every damage template includes armor_types.void_shield or the has_toughness section of _character_armor_type

[summer prairie]

I forgot that the twins have cara heads and are otherwise unarmored

[icy breach]

Just get adjusted to it; its not hard, just requires a lil effort

[icy breach]

Not flak body & carapace helmet?

[zealous wing]

but why though

it wasnt enjoyable, i'm not gonna suffer for a weapon that personally feels mid

[icy breach]

Cause its arguably one of the best sidearms in the game

[zealous wing]

hell i wont suffer for a weapon thats s tier either

it would have to be a gun that 2 or 3 shots a monster, and i only use it then, then id suffer for it, because id seldom use it

[icy breach]

No gun can do that

[zealous wing]

exactly, so why suffer

[icy breach]

Ye why ever use your ranged cause it can’t 2 - 3 tap an enemy yeah

[marble crater]

Because it makes him motion sick

[zealous wing]

its specifically the bistol, at least so far