psyker-class

[static sonnet]

Bb is my fav, anything shy of a mutant is one shot by it and everything else is a good chunk. I think it also prioritizes specials and elites over chaff so it takes some practice but you can snag the head of an elite that is in a hoard

[flint pollen]

maybe. ive had it target chaff over a boss, but that mightve been a fluke as it hasnt happened since

[static sonnet]

There's the exact mechanism behind it all

[flint pollen]

awesome

[wind wind]

Bruh.... I just had the most awkward wipe in the history of wipes...

[pale prairie]

what made it awkward hahaha?

[wind wind]

Another psyker called Baba yaga (😐), who kept climbing that box staple right at the extraction point on the final area of consigment Yard. Fucker just climbed up there and let me, being the other psyker, a very inexperienced arbites and a dumb and underleveled Veteran to fight the chaos spawn alone while he camped on that tower af.

Afterwards he said He got overwhelmed because we didnt cover him...

Btw he never stayed with us and always wandered off

[hearty wolf]

Welp 2 losses in a row

O well

[wind wind]

Chaos spawn was almost dead and had i been any other class id have clutched this but i died while the CS had like 3 percent health left

[hearty wolf]

Forced to clutch twice and I thought airlock door woudl stay closed

I'm busy farming kills through the door

I turn around and it's already open with 50 purple crushers

gg

I wasn't even in there for longer than 10s

Is it just random whether airlock doors want to stay closed?

[sacred pilot]

lfg malleus monstrum

[median furnace]

I can help

[upper sun]

no one tell path but he might be right about boltpistol needing buffs

60hp away from maniac one tap
100hp away from flak maniac one tap
and 20hp away from dreg gunner one tap

with a bunch of buffs

[dusk timber]

@ path.exe

[upper sun]

its totally ok to @buoyant maple semester hasnt started yet

hes free for now

[pale prairie]

I didn’t want to say it but in some of your clips it’s pretty painful to see you shoot something and it crawl away with almost no health

[upper sun]

warning shots

[pale prairie]

I mean they definitely run

The only good arbiter that takes prisoners

[upper sun]

i want them to tell their friends

but unironically

[pale prairie]

Sanction: crippling

[upper sun]

between thw added geforce now delay, my shitty mouse and my bad aim

i think im doing well

[pale prairie]

Oh yeah it’s very clearly that the weapon needs just like a 10% damage buff

Each bullet should be a dead specialist

[upper sun]

at least trappers die instantly thats good enough 🚬

[long wharf]

oh FartShack, never (please) change

classic release a hotfix to fix something that it doesn't fix

[buoyant maple]

wdym "might"

I been right on most things

y'all are just ≥2 steps behind

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[dusk timber]

Perilless psyker

[ripe obsidian]

Kind of. Mostly to see the outcome.

[buoyant maple]

yea I kinda have just been right significantly more often than me being wrong

only time I remember was getting eviscerator III's h1 latch mechanic wrong

[pale prairie]

Hey now that I believe

[pale prairie]

Damn looks all those nodes. So few just white neutral ones

[ripe obsidian]

Oh yeah, stagger on weakspot is also toughness gen when fighting bosses.

[hearty wolf]

Practically the same but I take attack speed rather than toughness on weakspot

if I take that much toughness damage, I'd rather die

[pale prairie]

What if you could have clutched with just a bit more toughness though? /s

[dusk timber]

Also path i think i mightve figured out a way to make your idea of incentivizing staying at low peril actually work and not be lame as hell

[hearty wolf]

I would have pressed f

[ripe obsidian]

This was just an example

[hearty wolf]

Wait a sec

[ripe obsidian]

I think I ended with like 217 toughness off of that

[hearty wolf]

My doggo build don't have that

let's see

Oh no monstrosity hunter

yucky

The two runs with these sets of randoms that ended in 10m eaach

They didn't even know what the boss was lmao

[ripe obsidian]

I will say that my build is more generalist

Whereas yours is better suited for bonking bosses

[hearty wolf]

yesh

[ripe obsidian]

A matter of trusting teammates

[hearty wolf]

One thing that surprised me

That's way bigger of a deal than I thought

Is the mid part of the tree

Canine morale

Is an absolutely insane toughness regen methink

Does it refresh the duration or stack? Surely refresh but I'm not sure

[ripe obsidian]

Refresh, I believe

[dusk timber]

The node to the right of it is also just a gigabuffed version of an ogryn node that does the same thing but instead of +10% DR on ogryn its +25% on arbites

[pale prairie]

Good thing you trust humanity on an intrinsic basic level

[ripe obsidian]

"When human-sized enemies who are disabled ('pounced') by Cyber-Mastiff are killed by Cyber-Mastiff or the player, does two things for Arbitrator and allies who are in coherency with Arbitrator:

(1) Reduces toughness damage taken by 20% for 5s; can be refreshed during active duration. Stacks multiplicatively with other damage reduction buffs.

(2) Replenishes 2% of maximum toughness per second for 5 seconds; can be refreshed during active duration. The effectiveness of this toughness replenishment is affected by certain player debuffs like toxic gas."

[pale prairie]

That’s goddamn ridiculous

[hearty wolf]

is true, just canine morale applies to team is why I take it. Looks at me being supportive

[ripe obsidian]

I think Canine Morale is great. But I ended up swapping it for the +TDR on elite kills because selfish

[hearty wolf]

Ah yes, refresh. Cool

[pale prairie]

And yet….they keep dying 🤔

[hearty wolf]

But yeah canine morale+ the aura makes you a lot more resillient to shooters

I'm finding normal shooters are fucking me up going right side of the tree

[ripe obsidian]

Also b/c canine morale only works if you or the dog kills the enemy, not a teammate, and at that point it wasn't attributing damage properly

So it only went off half the time

[hearty wolf]

Like I'm going to have to take some kind of DR at this point its that bad

[ripe obsidian]

Oh wait, Imposing Force is total damage reduction

Toughness and health

What a good node.

[hearty wolf]

Insane node xd

[ripe obsidian]

Killing an elite or a special reduces both toughness and health damage taken by 25% for 5s; can be refreshed during active duration. Stacks multiplicatively with other damage reduction buffs.

This talent also procs on kills by Cyber-Mastiff.

[hearty wolf]

Suppression protocol vs suppresion force hurts my brain a bit

[pale prairie]

Holy mother of terra

[ripe obsidian]

Suppression Protocol is goofy

Because dog pounce procs it

[hearty wolf]

o

this is good point me no consider

[ripe obsidian]

Hitting at least 3 enemies with melee and ranged attacks, pushes, explosions, and Break the Line grants 20% toughness damage reduction for 5s; can be refreshed during active duration. Stacks multiplicatively with other damage reduction buffs.

Note that this talent also procs on the push from the Last Guard weapon blessing and on hits from Cyber-Mastiff's pounced explosion (see 'Cyber-Mastiff' section).

[ripe obsidian]

It's absurdly strong

[pale prairie]

I am familiar with the Ogryn one but 25% is crazy since the dog is just constantly special and elite hunting

[hearty wolf]

I've been relegated to psyker for my night time game

after all of this arb talk

what the fuck

little do they know I am running shriek

hahahahahahahaahahahahaha

[pale prairie]

How would they not know

It’s right underneath your character

You don’t even need a mod to see it

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-smile-scream-screaming-bullfrog-gif-25789435

Shriek > bubble shield

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/knife-hand-button-space-troopers-gif-24633734

[dusk timber]

I kinda wish shriek didnt need modifiers to do something besides stagger

Mostly because the starting version is such a nothing button compared to every single other class

[ripe obsidian]

I would agree.

Meanwhile Arby's Alligator Stance

[pale prairie]

Which one is that?

[dusk timber]

Arb starts out with a downgraded nuncio

[ripe obsidian]

AlligatorCastigator's Stance
• Duration: 10s
• Upon activation, sets Arbitrator's toughness to 100%
• Increases movement speed by 15%; stacks additively with other movement speed buffs
• Reduces both toughness and health damage taken by 80%; stacks multiplicatively with other damage reduction buffs
• Removes any movement speed penalty during weapon actions, e.g. slowdowns during weapon attacks, while in alt fire mode, or while shooting, etc
• Disables sprinting for Arbitrator; sliding is still possible after dodge (dodge into slide)

[pale prairie]

Okay I know castigators

[dusk timber]

But even then it still feels way better cause it gives toughness regen and increases the damage enemies take

[ripe obsidian]

I know, which is also better than shriek

Nuncio is an amazing ability. It's just competing with two other amazing abilities that both have more personal agency, and are thus more appealing to most

[pale prairie]

Wait cancel that

[dusk timber]

Ngl the funnest part of it is removing all the movement speed penalties and getting increased move speed

[pale prairie]

You can’t be saying that people want to be the hero and not the support?

[dusk timber]

I wish that was something on more abilities

[ripe obsidian]

Powerwalk menacingly

[pale prairie]

It should be on SG

[dusk timber]

SG?

[pale prairie]

Scriers gaze

[ripe obsidian]

All the people who want to support play Ogryn

[dusk timber]

Oh

[pale prairie]

They have a sub node that gives move speed but if your using melee you don’t even notice it

[dusk timber]

I was thinking more exe stance and PBB

[pale prairie]

Cause it doesn’t have the move speed penalties REMOVED

[dusk timber]

But sure give it to scrier as well

[pale prairie]

Yeah taunting is fun

[pale prairie]

Just saying if we are handing it out can we make the ability heavily encouraging melee attacking let you get in range faster?

[ripe obsidian]

SG says +20% movespeed.

Alligator says:
During Castigator's Stance, killing elite or special enemies grants stacks (up to 10); stacks last for 10s and can be refreshed during active duration. Per stack, increases any damage by 5%; Cyber-Mastiff is unaffected. Stacks additively with other damage buffs, and multiplicatively with power level buffs.

[dusk timber]

Ok sure

[pale prairie]

Is your point that they get a universal damage buff up to 50% that can be refreshed?

[ripe obsidian]

My point is mostly that a lot of Arby nodes do a ton of stuff

Whereas any given Psyker (or non-Ogryn class) node is just a boring increase

[pale prairie]

I mean yeah you have to fit in all the stolen stuff from other classes

[zealous wing]

yeah looking at that tree there seems to be absolutely no filler nodes

for them to balance arby that tree is gonna need to be SO changed

[pale prairie]

I found myself with an extra point on meleeker and my decision was between quick shards and more toughness or peril or tdr

Whoopee

[dusk timber]

Ehh idk

[ripe obsidian]

I do not think there is a single bad talent.

[dusk timber]

I feel like all they need to do is lower the % numbers a lot of his nodes give

[pale prairie]

Literally just take a 50% axe to all the bonuses

[ripe obsidian]

Actually, some of the +dog damage ones are bad.

[zealous wing]

if you look at any other tree, there's gaps of grey nodes, in arby's there seems to be barely any at all. its all actual usable perks

[ripe obsidian]

B/c it doesn't apply to shock or bleed

[dusk timber]

Thats good

[zealous wing]

how

[ripe obsidian]

So the +50% dog damage node is like a 60 dps increase

[zealous wing]

how is it "good"

[pale prairie]

I want them to keep this kind of tree so that other classes have something similar. But the numbers are far too bloated

[zealous wing]

well then its either their tree changing or the other 4

[dusk timber]

Its more fun to have more meaningful nodes

[ripe obsidian]

Fewer gray nodes is good. Gray nodes are boring. OP proper nodes are not good.

[dusk timber]

The problem with arbites is the numbers on a lot of those nodes is too high

[pale prairie]

The trend of having useful talents instead of nothing burger tiny stat increases is a good trend. But let’s fucking tone down the class that has more than 150% increase on some of the OGRYN resistance nodes

[pale prairie]

Other four. Honestly ogryns tree is fine. Maybe some adjustment of weapon blessings for the rumbler and bully club

[dusk timber]

I'd say the reload aura is pretty bad or at least very mid

[zealous wing]

what i mean is, workload. which are they morelikely to rework

[dusk timber]

+7.5% is really low

[ripe obsidian]

Rumbler is dumb.

[ripe obsidian]

Fair. Middle aura is pretty bleh

I forgot it existed

[dusk timber]

Well zealot and vet reworks are already assumed to come down the line with how fucked their trees are

[zealous wing]

i wanna know how many people arby skills went through tbh, it feels like someone intentionally made it overpowered for a power fantasy class and no one actually checked the work

[ripe obsidian]

It was very weak before playtesting

I saw one playtester talking about the stuff they got added

Like CDR on EO, I think

[dusk timber]

And honestly i feel like psyker could get another pass mostly to improve the early game experience

[zealous wing]

zealot early game also sucks bad

psyker is more unforgiving though

[dusk timber]

Yeah

Like at least with zealot early game you can have fun with just spamming your dash and meleeing whatever you see at lower difficulties

And you also have a pretty decent blitz

Meanwhile starting out with psyker you have a nothingburger ability and a blitz that feels awful to use (at least to me)

And cooldown reduction aura is only really helping out your allies cause again

[ripe obsidian]

Psyker's strength is pretty dependent on weapons, I think. Without good weapons, you have a very hard time activating any talents

[dusk timber]

Nothingburger ability

[ripe obsidian]

Which is why you assail to level 30

Assail can kill enemies and proc talents

[graceful arch]

I mean you could just do funny haha get my weapons to max mastery at level 1 if you have other characters leveled.

[dusk timber]

Ngl i feel like psyker shouldve started out with a downgraded assail instead of brain burst

[dusk timber]

The only maxed out weapons i have are on ogryn

[graceful arch]

I am capped cause of ordo dockets atm

I have more plasteel and diamantine than ordo dockets.

[ripe obsidian]

You can. But new players won't consider that, I think

[dusk timber]

And even if that wasnt the case i do not have anywhere near enough resources to just fish for god rolls and instaupgrade to 500 power with meta perks and blessings

[graceful arch]

You can always just buy brunts entire inventory and sac it every hour aswell

[dusk timber]

Again

[graceful arch]

Only thing you need is ordo dockets.

[dusk timber]

Nowhere near enough resources

[graceful arch]

Can get it easy in auric maelstroms

[ripe obsidian]

I just realized your profile picture is also Alligator's Stance.

I do not care if it is a crocodile. It is Alligator's Stance.

[dusk timber]

Mf

I havent even unlocked the max difficulty on my level 30 ogryn

[graceful arch]

Can taxi you into some maelstroms later if you want

Get you some easy dockets.

[ripe obsidian]

This is unwise. You get significantly reduced exp for weapons not of the same type. Can max out a weapon with like 300k dockets by buying gray and upgrading to green.

[graceful arch]

I need to farm some myself

[zealous wing]

if timing lines up can i join?

[graceful arch]

Not what I said but ok

[graceful arch]

Sure

[dusk timber]

Maybe on the weekend

[ripe obsidian]

I interpreted buying out the whole stock as buying out every weapon and then sacrificing them.

[graceful arch]

I specifically meant to sac the same type.

I use the sac from brunt mod

[zealous wing]

how ive done weapon mastery thus far is the armoury, then go upgrade them to green, then sacrifice. sell anything i dont need to sacrifice for more money for the armoury

[graceful arch]

I just click the button and I get mastery

Very nice

[dusk timber]

But we're getting off-track

[ripe obsidian]

I have played this game too much and had enough dockets to just max every weapon when they swapped to a sane crafting system

[graceful arch]

I got the game over a year ago but was constantly crashing and only got back into it a month or two ago.

[ripe obsidian]

What am I looking at?

[dusk timber]

Psyker early game feels bad cause starting ability and aura are nothingburgers and brain burst feels extremely bad to use

[verbal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-22572243

[graceful arch]

Vt2

My beloved

[verbal thistle]

the ray of light

sorry

vc context

[graceful arch]

Kruber player

Np ainz

[zealous wing]

2nd psyker made, time to prologue/campaign >:D

[ripe obsidian]

Who needs to see?

Sight is for those without faith

[dusk timber]

And imo this alone is enough reason to give psyker's tree another pass

Not as bad as with vet and zealot

[graceful arch]

Saltzpyre main.

[dusk timber]

But still something worth looking at

[graceful arch]

I got dragged into a auric Mortis trial on my level 1 psyker

Truly something to remember.

I did most boss damage at some point

[dusk timber]

Also some nodes couldbe moved around i think

So as to give each path a more distinct/cohesive identity

[graceful arch]

@zealous wing if you are still on in 5 hours I will be doing some auric maelstroms. I won't be home before then sorry to disappoint

[hearty wolf]

We did it

Ez af

[ripe obsidian]

Not even 2m damage

[hearty wolf]

Game was over too quick

Oubliette and we just held W

Vet smoke nades legit carried

better than bubble

[ripe obsidian]

Smoke grenades are fantastic

[hearty wolf]

i don't recall the modifiers tho xd

I know it was red

Oh

Red orange

[nocturne dust]

Only problem is it comes with a vet

[hearty wolf]

1/3rd of his damage is boss damage

I'll take it 🔥

He came in with a purpose and left with a victory

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/smile-nod-yes-robert-redford-beard-gif-10489927

[hearty wolf]

Anyway 3am, I go eep with good dreams with this victory

[pearl vortex]

I just started using psyker about a week ago and i have been having more fun with this class than zealot or veteran

[sullen bobcat]

Learning how smoke grenades work really shows they're slept on in high havoc
They just turn off shooters for a second with infinite health

[graceful arch]

What do you mean I love my ammo and yellow toughness dispensers.

[graceful arch]

Sleep well

[pale prairie]

Cause the tree is NOT giving you the same level of STUFF as say Ogryn or arbites. Thats why it’s all about your weapons and like 2 or 3 critical talents in the tree

[wispy bay]

Smoke sounds good on paper, but in practice, it is not good enough.

It is not slept on at all.

[nocturne dust]

Sir, this is psyker chat

We don't use ammo, and Zealot is the yellow toughness dispenser

[pale prairie]

No zealot is story time reader

[graceful arch]

Ok but what if you are playing gun psyker?

Isn't conjure firearm one of the strongest spells?

[sullen bobcat]

I cast 9mm

[zealous wing]

yall were right LFG is brainrot

apparently xp grind meant loop auric orthus offensive and die

but, i know where the skip is now, so, thats cool

[graceful arch]

Party finder or just the lfg channels here in the discord?

Cause either is very hit or miss.

[nocturne dust]

Imagine using ballistic weapons on the space wizard class

[nocturne dust]

No, TT is the strongest spell

[zealous wing]

its got a 50% hit rate though

conjure firearm works 100% of the time

[nocturne dust]

100% hit rate but spell is invalid on 50% of targets. For those targets, you use PC

[ripe obsidian]

Can you even get there without a mod?

[ripe obsidian]

https://youtube.com/shorts/AUvbkAtumXI?si=NXVf2Xhuqw4p2J0i

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/wizard-wizard-war-manual-breathing-silly-funny-gif-17753128467277352979

[graceful arch]

You can by hosting the mission and quitting right before victory every time but you now get no rewards so the mod is the best way

[upper sun]

🚬 at least no one can call me a meta slave playing slop like ironhelm and boltpistol

[zealous wing]

nope, not in a farming sense, so he was using the mod for sure

funny part is even as a level 4, i was able to stay alive a surprising amount of time before i just let myself die because i know fighting them solo in auric as a lvl 4 is a losing battle

well maybe possible but definitely not in my "things to do today" list

i did have devils claw so i couldve at least taken rinda out

[graceful arch]

I can probably help you level by just running some maelstroms

[buoyant maple]

100% of thunder hammer players are gaslighters

[zealous wing]

are YOU a thunder hammer player?

[graceful arch]

Do people stealth crucis with the extra 50 finesse node?

Or the 5s one

[zealous wing]

might be fun but tbh i dont hate early psyker as much as i hated early oggy/zealot

[buoyant maple]

me? no

literal worst designed melee in the game

[graceful arch]

Thammer is so fucking awkward to use.

[ripe obsidian]

Sounds like something a gaslighter would say

[buoyant maple]

if I wanted to gaslight people I'd tell u charged strike was good for cleaving horde

[graceful arch]

You got to stack your blessing pop stealth and then headshot backstab your target while keeping duelist and blessings active.

[zealous wing]

im at the point where i very well may delete zealot and ogryn once i get all the weapon masteries for them done, but if they hit lvl 30 i might as well keep them just in case i wanna try them out later on...

[ripe obsidian]

Joke's on you, I don't even know what Charged Strike does

[zealous wing]

i can play one mission with them and halfway through im bored out of my mind

[graceful arch]

And god forbid your teammates damage the boss to the point where their shield comes back up if it's a captain/twins

[graceful arch]

What are you playing on zealot that you find him so boring?

Just curious.

[zealous wing]

the only thing i've been able to do is play zealot like a vet to make it tolerable, the chainswords make a very horrible noise, crusher is too slow, it just feels... very meh overall

no good melee for my tastes

unless i try knife and like it, or go back to devils claw

mainly just a slog to get them to level 30 so those 3 penances are done

i believe zealot is lvl 18 and oggy is 14

[graceful arch]

Knife zealot is very fun

[zealous wing]

now THOSE two i'd do the xp loop thing with thats for sure

[graceful arch]

Try dash knife zealot with inexorable

You might like it.

Book knife is also a playstyle

I got my zealot level 30 in a few hours from 15 just playing auric maelstroms with some people on here

Was fun.

Also still a ETA of about 3 hours and 30 minutes til I'm home.

[zealous wing]

kk

no guarentees i'll be awake but, based on recent patterns i should be around

[graceful arch]

You have seen the hours I have been on aswell

We are the same time zone.

[zealous wing]

ever-shifting sleep schedules my beloved

[ripe obsidian]

Conclusion: Nords don't sleep.

[radiant frigate]

i am going to sleep

if I'm fast i can make it before the sun fully rises

[radiant frigate]

consider Big Sword™

mostly relic blade but also eviscerator

[zealous wing]

relic blade is probably the only real contender

but even so, its meh

i'd rather have 8 different psykers 🙃

[radiant frigate]

it's only meh next to fgs

Bigsword Knives Reconlas™ is a fantastic setup for both

[ripe obsidian]

You are not a Nord

[graceful arch]

2 hours 30 minutes....

So close

[zealous wing]

so close

i can access FGS now

which means i can get away with using EK

[graceful arch]

Skyrim belongs to the nords.

Or something.

[zealous wing]

6th try :D

[graceful arch]

Noice

[zealous wing]

still got a ways before reconlas to get my bubbleknight psyker build together but now i can kick ass a lil better

horde fucked me over a bit in malice, no CC tool

now, i am DEATH!

[pale prairie]

Damn rerolled psyker again?

[zealous wing]

again?

no this is my 2nd one

wanna snag the orthus offensive on auric

[pale prairie]

I meant you are rolling up another one hahaha

[zealous wing]

ye

6 more lvls until kinetic deflection

then im basically just normal main psyker but a lil weaker

it'll be more fun then, but rn its a challenge lol

[sturdy reef]

vet with DBS and weapon specialist is actually a lotta fun in H40

ran with smokes

gonna try a krak build now

[ripe obsidian]

Look at you, being able to run non-Psyker classes on H40

Meanwhile, I can only burninate

[graceful arch]

@zealous wing if you're still awake I am finally home

[zealous wing]

i am indeed present and aware

[graceful arch]

strike team 5 if you want to vc

launching danktide rn

[zealous wing]

i dont vc, but i can hang out if you wanna talk

like, i dont use my mic, not yet at least

[graceful arch]

fair nuff

np

i just like rambling while i play

[zealous wing]

more info on whats going on is always helpful

[radiant frigate]

are you shy

[zealous wing]

auric mael with a level 16 psyker, complete

tis now a lvl 19 psyker

only died once :D (no idea how many downs... a lot i think). neither of us have scoreboard so no way to tell how well i did with what i have access to

(we did fail the first two missions tho)

[zealous wing]

shroudfield zealots (stealth in general tbh) are the worst. QP into an event. pox burster train? aggro dump and rush ahead to the next objective. gunner squad? aggro dump and rush to the next objective. horde? you guessed it. aggro dump and move to the next objective.

lucky we didnt get a monstrosity in that data pool.

the only time we saw the zealot was in the airlocks/elevator/what have you

and, no it wasnt them that started the event 🙃 they dropped into it like i did

cannot wait for the event to go away

[wispy bay]

Zealot stealth is for damage buff, way stronger than Fotf. Vet stealth has suppression, which push away poxes.

[ripe obsidian]

To quote Ainz:

"Fury is a better Shroudfield. It will give you the guaranteed crit as well as 50% toughness, 20% attack speed for 10 seconds, and your next melee hit does 25% more damage and deals 100% melee rending."

Also in relation to Shroudfield:

"There is currently a bug: Since this talent is missing the allow_backstabbing keyword, the backstab_damage buff only gets applied if a Combat Blade is used or if Backstabber and/or the Ruthless Backstab weapon blessing is equipped which both enable backstabbing. The backstab melee damage part is not applied by Shroudfield on its own."

[zealous wing]

yeah but my point is people using it to aggro dump

[ripe obsidian]

My point is that it's bad and people should feel bad for using it. >:(

[wraith sphinx]

Aggro dumping is not as useful sadly

[zealous wing]

oh its useful for them thats for sure 🙄

i've seen a couple vets use it smartly though, to do data interrogations when the room is heavily crowded

THATS good fucking thinking

[wraith sphinx]

yeah vet infil has much better utility like that

panic button ability to get back all your toughness, do clutch revives especially with leave no one behind unless there's 50 billion crushers, do objectives

[radiant frigate]

i'm sorry but a single hit of more crit damage is not as good as insanely high uptime on a 20% attack speed buff AND also a big crit

you can make the argument of "oh but you can do sneaky maneuvery things with the extended shroudfield"

but you cannot consider it a damage option over fotf

[wispy bay]

I never say more buff overall, I only mention of damage buff.

Generally, if you want to go for stealth damage, you get all of the backstabbing nodes anyway, so while it is mis-coded by the devs, it doesn't affect much over when you specifically pick it for damage.

If you don't use it for damage and care more about speeding, then there is no point of taking zealot over Vet.

[proper osprey]

The only thing stealth is useful for is speedrunning

Other than that it’s bad and too taxing

[marble crater]

Bad and taxing for the rest of the team when they suddenly dump their aggro on you

[proper osprey]

Yarp

I use it to solo stuff or speedrun for fun

I wouldn’t call it a true solo either

It’s too easy

“Erm but I a lot of damage and I like the play style”

I don’t think stealth should be in the game

[zealous wing]

at the very least, remove ability to have coherency on your own, full stop, from every class that has it.

it encourages people early on to leave on their own without punishing them, instead in punishes the poor souls who get stuck with the consequences

make hounds able to smell invisible players too

ie, ignore stealth

[dusk timber]

Yeah i think adding a harsher punishment for rushing too far ahead of the team could be one way to deal with this issue

Rather than completely removing stealth

[zealous wing]

personally i'd also not mind seeing arby's dog automatic priority target attack removed, so they also dont wander off on their own as carelessly, or make it a serious point stretch to get it, or some other solution

if they get that point, and where their dog counts as +2 coherency, they fuck over the team without risk of even the chance of being trappered

[dusk timber]

Ideally the stealth abilities would be used primarily as a way to safely enter close range and occasionaly as a disengagement tool

[dusk timber]

Or just reduce the range increase it gives

[zealous wing]

longer cooldown, shorter active period, etc, could help

[proper osprey]

I mean I rush ahead a lot I’m very used to playing solo

Well basically playing solo

[zealous wing]

its not an issue if its a room or two ahead, but sometimes we get people who go all the way to the next airlock and we're still fighting through the mob train they left behind

[proper osprey]

“If you wanna win pubs be prepared to solo” path said dat

[proper osprey]

I do that if it’s a good day

[zealous wing]

i've had more issues with people rushing ahead than lagging behind tbh

so i agree, people rushing ahead should also be punished

its not hard to wait 10s for someone to catch up, its annoying as hell to fight the 3 bulwarks, crusher, and horde they leave behind if their a full minute or two ahead

[dusk timber]

The only thing to figure out is how to punish that person without punishing the rest of the team

[zealous wing]

dogs

trappers

etc

the usual

if you're alone, you're alone, that should be it

[dusk timber]

I feel like those could be easily bypassed by experienced players

Specially if theyre speedrunning

[zealous wing]

idk, give em a monster to keep em busy

a whole pack of dogs is also only easily solved by assail or a mine/smite

and thats if its the weak ones from the modifier

[umbral oyster]

Fucking despise speedrunners

[zealous wing]

it really is an annoying habit

[dusk timber]

Fuck it spawn a daemonhost that will keep attacking them until they are close enough to the team again

[zealous wing]

usually, its QP drop-ins as well, falling into someones campaign and they just bumrush the entire map

[umbral oyster]

Doesn't manger if it's this game, verm, or left 4 dead 2

[dusk timber]

When they do it just despawns

[umbral oyster]

I do not enjoy failing because some cocky veteran decides they can solo the map

[zealous wing]

if they're more than 100m away make them have absolutely 0 toughness regen, from any source

[umbral oyster]

Randoms In any game give me headaches because half the time they WILL awaken the daemonhost and they WILL die to it

[zealous wing]

they gotta learn someway

[umbral oyster]

I suppose

Deamonhost is just a marginally more annoying witch tbh

[zealous wing]

i usually try to help, esp if it looked accidental

but if they look at it, look at us to see where we are, then wake it, thats 100% on them to figure out

[radiant frigate]

not sure this matters anymore

with all the toughness options available

[umbral oyster]

You're a certain distance away from your allies and 1 million maulers are spawned on you at once

[zealous wing]

hmmmm reapers

[umbral oyster]

Maulers are usually enough to deal with players who think they're good enough but aren't really

A bit like the chaos warriors of verm

[zealous wing]

a valid point

someone skilled could still win but someone whos full of shit would lose quickly

[buoyant maple]

What is this supposed to mean

1 coherency doesn’t even do anything

No coherency toughness regen

And you trigger specialist spawns

1 coherency is “out of coherency”

[marble crater]

Probably means Loner talent and arby dog talent

[zealous wing]

this is what i mean

these bullshits

[buoyant maple]

This is complete ass

This is fake 2 coherency

And coherency mechanic itself doesn’t matter that much

It’s mostly to spread buffs between players

The toughness regen effect is very weak

[zealous wing]

the arby dog is the worst offender tbh

team killer

idk man im very frustrated with dumbasses who dont understand its a coop game when they drop into someone elses mission. if its them hosting, its whatever, but, dropping into what might be someone elses resource run or first time going through the map, it sucks ass, and they deserve to be hurt.

[buoyant maple]

Rush prevention is in the game but it’s largely not used outside of havoc

Unfortunately, most of the time, it is just better to go through levels faster

[upper sun]

😠

[zealous wing]

then they should find a friend and private squad instead of quickplaying, idk

[tulip kettle]

sorry is me

[buoyant maple]

95%+ people are not good enough to play duos unfortunately

[proper osprey]

Sorry I’ll practice more

[zealous wing]

the sad part is, most of those are probably stealth users too 🙃 so they can get out of their own bullshit for 5s

[buoyant maple]

I literally never see stealth rushers

Is that an EU only thing lol

[zealous wing]

i did, thats why i was pissed

[tulip kettle]

shroudfield speedrunners? its more likely than you think

[tulip kettle]

i mean, not only

[zealous wing]

yup a zealot

[proper osprey]

“Hey guys look at the patch notes for vet”

[tulip kettle]

but

[umbral oyster]

Is one of the perils spawning in a cute puppy or something

[tulip kettle]

there is a part of europe

[buoyant maple]

I legit have not seen stealth zealot speedrunners in like forever

[tulip kettle]

over to the east

that tends to generate some major toxicity

[buoyant maple]

Even if zealot speedrun it’s FotF

[umbral oyster]

This is psyker class chat

[tulip kettle]

usually followed by some "cyka" and "blyat" in voice chat

[tulip kettle]

i think american servers dont have that

[buoyant maple]

It’s nice not having them

[zealous wing]

i really wish there was another server that direction 🙃

[proper osprey]

I speedrun when I’m bored

[buoyant maple]

But it’s not like I’d be mad if I got them

They press F so I have more things to kill

[proper osprey]

Like the new event

[tulip kettle]

"online gaming in europe discourse, 1995 - present"

[proper osprey]

I got to 8/10

[tulip kettle]

if you want to speedrun just do it in malice or w/e

[umbral oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-memes-ksi-thick-of-it-mods-discord-mod-gif-2830572923502966674

[proper osprey]

I just swapped to stealth and got them done

[tulip kettle]

going into maels then aggro dropping everything is undeniably toxic

[zealous wing]

oh yeah speaking of

2nd psyker is lvl 23 so far

[zealous wing]

managed to get through an auric mael on lvl 16 :D

[tulip kettle]

no, stop

[umbral oyster]

Chat I need people to play with

[tulip kettle]

you dont want to go down this road

[zealous wing]

i want the orthus offensive on auric, that is all

[tulip kettle]

soon you will need mods to keep track of all your psykers

[zealous wing]

thats what names are for

[proper osprey]

One time I was speed running havoc 40 with stealth

[tulip kettle]

and at that point you could have just got the mod to replay story missions

[proper osprey]

Was funny

[tulip kettle]

for you maybe

not for everyone else who didnt sign up for that

[umbral oyster]

I named my psyker sienna

[tulip kettle]

thats prime toxicity

dont

[proper osprey]

I had to kill twins with a door

[buoyant maple]

Boot up the game
Select your zealot
Hold X
Press confirm

[umbral oyster]

It's however the only character I have named after a verm character

[proper osprey]

Tell that to cole too

[tulip kettle]

yeah sure

idc who is doing it

do it on your own lobby fine

[umbral oyster]

Once I buy abrie I'll name her kerillian and select the kerillian voice

[tulip kettle]

make sure everyone in the lobby is onboard before you start

and its no problem at all

[proper osprey]

It was 4 stealth zealots too

[buoyant maple]

💀

Ok whatever

Lemme guess archivum sycorax

[proper osprey]

You should of heard me screaming when I killed the twins

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/stunning-brave-so-courageous-clapping-south-park-gif-16574807

[proper osprey]

I was crying

Was the funniest thing ever

[buoyant maple]

Yk what’s funnier

[proper osprey]

What

[buoyant maple]

Ogryn rock one shot twin through void shield in mortis

[tulip kettle]

wut

repeatable?

[proper osprey]

9000% strength rock

[umbral oyster]

Ogryn is funny

[buoyant maple]

It’s an RNG boon u can get

Small RNG chance for rock to instakill anything it hits

[dusk timber]

Mf landed a fatality

[umbral oyster]

Love ogryns because they love me

[buoyant maple]

And this can instakill through captains’ void shields

[tulip kettle]

we were looking the other day at what the rock can instakill

[proper osprey]

I can’t play oggy because he has no dodge linger

[tulip kettle]

so, theres a boon in mortis that makes it apply to every enemy?

[umbral oyster]

I also love how every psyker(even the loner) is friendly to other psykers, not even the veterans are nice to other veterans aside from maybe cadians

[buoyant maple]

Yea u crutched on knife for basically forever

Mobility creep

[tulip kettle]

played VT2 yesterday

[zealous wing]

ye loner and seer get along so greatly

[proper osprey]

That was the old me

[tulip kettle]

its crazy how mobility is so essential to this game

[dusk timber]

Ive had cutthroat and loose cannon bond over their love of the lasgun

[proper osprey]

The new me loves tac axe

[zealous wing]

"live by the lasgun, die in the darkness"

[buoyant maple]

Go play the gigachad perfect block meme build arb shield+maul

“I can tank her”

[deft stump]

Bully whining Cadians=normal.

[proper osprey]

[dusk timber]

Man i hope the ilas gets some buffs

[proper osprey]

Are you saying I should play oggy

[dusk timber]

I fucking hate the consuming more than 1 ammo per shot gimmick

[buoyant maple]

No

Play arb shield+maul XI

With the gigachad block meme build

[zealous wing]

burst is terrible i agree

[proper osprey]

I HATE the shield

[buoyant maple]

Worst dodge distance in the game but u can tank everything

[proper osprey]

I can’t stand it

[zealous wing]

what is burst ever useful for

[dusk timber]

Burst?

[buoyant maple]

Skill checked

[proper osprey]

[zealous wing]

genuine question, has anyone ever appreciated having burst fire over semiauto or singleshot or full auto

[umbral oyster]

IVE NEVER HEARD THIS LMAO

[plucky flax]

@deft stump I am home i play maybe in 1 or 2 hours

[dusk timber]

Me

[zealous wing]

incorrect

[tulip kettle]

hear this one frequently

[umbral oyster]

I can not tell if this is sarcasm or genuine

[zealous wing]

"no, not four shortened lifespans, foreshortened lifespans"

[deft stump]

Okay.

[buoyant maple]

IRL yes
In video games it depends

[tulip kettle]

theres a bunch of fourth wall breaks with the seer

[buoyant maple]

Burst weapons are either the most broken thing ever or complete ass

[tulip kettle]

see "dream" as "video game"

[umbral oyster]

The seer also hears the horde music

[tulip kettle]

yup

[buoyant maple]

Back when talent trees first came out the best gun in the game that patch was the 3r burst vig auto

[zealous wing]

loner will ask seer how their beloved is doing on the less than fine day, and be pretty civil overall

[tulip kettle]

can any of you hear music? it seems to get louder when theres lots of enemies around

[dusk timber]

I mean with burst fire youre still getting separate shots for each ammo spent

[buoyant maple]

And then they nerfed its damage tremendously and now it’s just meh

[tulip kettle]

ive killed such a lot of people... im glad none of this is real!

[dusk timber]

With lasguns youre spending 2/3 ammo for one shot

[umbral oyster]

Burst fire In video games is weird

[buoyant maple]

Back then u could 1 mag a plague ogryn with it

Zero recoil

[tulip kettle]

burst fire IRL is weird.

[buoyant maple]

1 burst reaper

[umbral oyster]

I do like burst fire but if you miss one shot you usually miss them all and if you kill the enemy on the first or second shot you waste ammo

[buoyant maple]

Super high crit rate as long as u could aim head

[tulip kettle]

cod4 M16

peak gaming

[zealous wing]

any time i see a gun is burst it immediately goes in the "never fucking touch again" pile

[tulip kettle]

bap bap bap

dead

[buoyant maple]

3r burst vig auto that patch was essentially the halo battle rifle reborn

[stark haven]

Hi, how I can make the dome ability recharge faster? 🙂

[zealous wing]

if i click once i want one shot. reconlas is pushing it tbh, but if i RMB its single shot so its usable, and theres so much ammo it doesnt hurt badly

[buoyant maple]

U could 4 burst a crusher too 💀

[tulip kettle]

take the talent called psyinetics aura

take the talent called seers presence

use warp siphon

[zealous wing]

warp siphon, concentration stims, cooldown aura

[tulip kettle]

take cooldown reduction on curios

[zealous wing]

question

is anyone else having issues with their talent tree points "sticking" ?

[tulip kettle]

its always a thing

when you have assigned them

[zealous wing]

hasnt happened to me before and now its having heart attacks every level up :(

[tulip kettle]

swap to a different loadout then swap back

on the top right with the selector

then they will stick

[zealous wing]

ye oki was wondering if it was a new thing is all :p

[stark haven]

Thank you 🙂

[tulip kettle]

nah done it for me in forever

[tulip kettle]

the talent, psykinetics aura, is one of the strongest psykers have. most builds should be trying to take it

and the keystone, warp siphon with warp charges, is also very strong because you usually take the node below that gives base damage for stacks as well as cooldown reduction

and finally, the 4% CDR on curios stacks additively (which is good) giving a flat 12% cdr if you take it on all 3 curios

in a normal game my average cooldown on bubble is less than 20 seconds

[zealous wing]

and for a build using shriek its also highly invaluable

[stark haven]

Empyrean Empowerment also gives cooldown reduction?

[tulip kettle]

it has cdr as base

empryean makes it also give damage

so, 4 charges is 30% cdr and 16% damage

[stark haven]

I'm honestly not even sure what warp charges are

[tulip kettle]

they are just a stacking counter

you get 1 guaranteed stack when you kill an elite

there are ways to get them from other things

when you use your ability, is spends the stacks to reduce its cooldown

you then kill 4 more elites to rebuild the stacks

proccing psykinetics aura 4 times

[stark haven]

Thanks for your explanations

Going to try it now

[tulip kettle]

= ability goes brrr

[umbral oyster]

Tv tropes editors so stupid they don't realise it's meant to be saltzpyre

[stark haven]

Do those stacks vanish

[zealous wing]

ye they get used up on ability activation

they also slowly drain on their own if they aren't built upon by killing more things

[stark haven]

Yeah this is what I meant, thanks

I like the one-handed force sword more than two-handed

[zealous wing]

it depends mostly what you're using it for but yeah i do like deimos specifically more than a greatsword, but deimos is singletarget and FGS is horde clearing GOAT

so if you have something else for horde clearing, or are using the illisi, should be fine

[umbral oyster]

What's the worst sword on psyker

[zealous wing]

the other one might also be fine, idk it gets forgotten a lot

[stark haven]

I like the Illisi one

For the horde clearing precisely

[zealous wing]

based on feel alone, heavy sword

[zealous wing]

favourite thing about fgs is when you build up the battery, then you can use the special attack to instantly kill an entire swarm at once

its fun

not so fun when theres a burster hiding in there

or a barrel

[tulip kettle]

you should use what you like

but, these days, there is no real reaosn to use illisi

FGS is just better illisi

[zealous wing]

it DOES feel slower though, so theres no real harm early on with illisi

[stark haven]

Yup, thought so as well

Google AI told me that toughness also affects dome ability, but I guess that's just gibberish

[zealous wing]

its the other way around

[umbral oyster]

Do not consult the evil texts(Google ai)

[stark haven]

Hehe

[zealous wing]

yeah they've been wonky as hell

[stark haven]

I hate it as well

[zealous wing]

"is there a way to further reduce assail regen speed" "increase your toughness. if you increase your toughness, you'll survive longer, thus generate more assail projectiles" kinda bullshit

[umbral oyster]

So pysker is sienna, veteran is Markus, zealot is saltzpyre, ogryn is(funnily enough) bardin. Does that make arbie kerillan by default?

[zealous wing]

like its true but not at all what i asked

[stark haven]

Wow I gambled at Melk's and got two +3 stamina curios :))

[zealous wing]

uh

what level

[umbral oyster]

Serious question btw

[zealous wing]

if 400 they lie

[tulip kettle]

if they arent 410+ they are fake

[zealous wing]

^

[stark haven]

What means they are fake

o_O

The other one is 420

[zealous wing]

coding error

[stark haven]

The other 400

[tulip kettle]

bubble with no cooldown reductions

[stark haven]

I literally gambled like 8 times and got them

[zealous wing]

the 400 is a +2 in reality, and only shows as +2 in a live game, it lies in psykanium too

[marble crater]

Ew, Dueling Sword user

[umbral oyster]

Begone

[stark haven]

Ok, good to know.

[upper sun]

why is ur video 90% right side?

[tulip kettle]

bubble with seers presence, 3 x 4%cdr reduction curios, 4 warp charges on cast and 4 procs of psykinetics aura

[umbral oyster]

Psyker nation what are your thoughts

[tulip kettle]

i have literally never used DS on this character before this clip

[tulip kettle]

what do you mean?

[marble crater]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-believe-you-whatever-lies-gif-3602502

[upper sun]

that video is a lot louder on the right headphone than the left

the next video is fine tho 🤔

[zealous wing]

because thats where the fire was...

[tulip kettle]

this isnt right

simply because characters in DT are mishmashes of other stuff from VT

kerillian has shroudfield for example

[umbral oyster]

I mean both markus and her have a class entirely focused on stealthy play but one is ranged and the other is melee

[zealous wing]

damn, time to reroll all your characters

[tulip kettle]

she literally says the zealot shroudfield lines

[umbral oyster]

But veterans shout is just merc shout

[tulip kettle]

i dont disagree

im just saying, the stuff in DT is like mash ups of stuff from VT

[umbral oyster]

Zealot can be both I guess

[tulip kettle]

but everything in DT is in VT

even arb

[umbral oyster]

Seeing as both her and saltzy are racist

[tulip kettle]

except all the ranged focussed stuff specifically

i have decided

i will not give you sigmars mercy today

[umbral oyster]

Me? Why?

[tulip kettle]

no im just saying it because its funny

also hearing break the line voicelines in VT is jarring

i was like "FUCK THE ARBS ARE HERE TOO 😭 "

[umbral oyster]

Kerillians va is a va for arbie too but I'm sure you knew that

[tulip kettle]

the female seer is also okri's daughter or some shit

same VA

[umbral oyster]

I think you mean bardins daughter, but most if not all verm VAs do have a role in DT as side characters or enemy voices

[tulip kettle]

i do mean that

unlike most of the tide vets here

im a DT first kind of guy

i have like 50 hours in VT

[umbral oyster]

I think verm handles temp hp better but I prefer darktide not having FF

[tulip kettle]

i think playing VT is strange because its not mobility based

whereas DT is all about mobility

i just keep randomly crouching in VT when i try to sprint slide / dodge slide

[umbral oyster]

Verm might as well not either considering the only way to deal considerable damage to your allies is a certain troll class as victor(bounty hunter)

[tulip kettle]

also dedicated servers is pretty huge

the amount of times i get hit when im clearly blocking in VT is too high

[umbral oyster]

Getting a random bounty hunter is a dice roll between getting someone who's about to waste ult on the "dirty elf" or legit carry you through the level

[tulip kettle]

pushing assasins off of yourself is also just a lol

oh so you recognise i pushed the assassin but i got pounced anyway, cool 👍

that and the audio cues in VT ae just dogshit in comparison to DT

in DT - im about to be hit in the back? "woosh sound"

in VT - im about to be hit in the back? "generic rat noise in the sea of rat noises that triggers 0.1 sec before i get hit"

[umbral oyster]

Verm also has a woosh sound

[tulip kettle]

lol

lmao, even

[umbral oyster]

Probably just drowned out by other noises?

[tulip kettle]

yes thats the point

its indistinguishable from the other rat noises

unlike DT where its clearly distinct and noticeable

[umbral oyster]

Not for me

[tulip kettle]

and it triggers way too late to actually react when playing with ping

[umbral oyster]

I mostly get hit(in both this and verm) because I try swinging while the enemy is and don't realise it

Went down to way too many a chaos warrior and black rat that way

[tulip kettle]

i just think DT has made some very positive changes in "legibility" for the player

its much easier to understand what exactly is happening and the differen types of feedback

[umbral oyster]

One thing that verm does better than dtide? The bots

[tulip kettle]

100%

[glossy ember]

the elf's gone horizontal!

[tulip kettle]

in DT, i never get hit and dont know where its come from or why really

in VT it happens constantly

and i might not even realise it has happened

[umbral oyster]

This is only really because the bots are whatever level you have on the class with whatever build you have chosen for them, though they are marginally smarter than dtide bots

Dtide bots also don't get abilities

For whatever stupid reason

[tulip kettle]

yeah but ultimately the game is "simpler" so i guess its easier

for the bots coding

again coming back to the difference in that DT is mobility based but VT is defensive based

much easier to make a bot hold block and dodge backwards than sprint slide dodge around

[umbral oyster]

Chaos spawn being in both games:

[tulip kettle]

in VT holding block and dodging backward is correct, in DT this is just gonna get you killed eventually

[umbral oyster]

In both verm and dtide there's one piece of advice you need follow: always be dodging

[dusk timber]

Theres a second one actually

[umbral oyster]

I'm waiting

[dusk timber]

Always be killing heretics

[umbral oyster]

Yesyes

Always be dodging, always be killing

[dusk timber]

And also

Always say thanks when someone helps

[umbral oyster]

If you stand there and block in verm, you die
Unless you're playing ironbreaker. Thank fucking God there's not a IB class in dtide or I'd go insane

Already have to deal with stupid people in verm running around with near 0dps in verm I don't want it spreading to this game

[plucky flax]

Okay ready for now I ate lunch after 5 hours super nap.

Ghosted

[deft stump]

I was in the bathroom reeeeeeeeeeee

[dusk timber]

I also like the audio cues for the specialists spawning

[plucky flax]

I am ready to play.

Then I need to do dishes.

[dusk timber]

After a decent amount of time you always immediately know when and which specialist spawns

Except for snipers

Im pretty damn sure those dont have an audio cue for some reason

[deft stump]

Oh, but is there anyone else?

[plucky flax]

I can try to summon.

@summer prairie @tulip kettle @ripe obsidian @hearty wolf

@strong gulch

Just you and me.

[deft stump]

Not even a <name> is typing.

[marble crater]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-whine-cry-gif-18426309895948302065

[deft stump]

You forgot to poke Sut.

[plucky flax]

I only ask capable people.

[marble crater]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-patrick-star-sad-cry-crying-gif-4331375

[pale prairie]

There’s some gear rattling but yeah I guess it’s supposed to be a laser

[deft stump]

Sorry. I didn't know Chaos would flame you THAT hard.

[marble crater]

He hates me

[plucky flax]

Because you refuse to be the superior germanic tribe.

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/you-knew-you-fokin-knew-you-fucking-knew-you-knew-you-fokin-knew-you-knew-you-fucking-knew-gif-25058314

[plucky flax]

Bavarian.

[deft stump]

We all know it.

[wraith sphinx]

@marble crater have you been enjoying helldivers so far?

[pale prairie]

I have been enjoying the Reddit posts about xboxers learning the difference between difficulties

[marble crater]

Yes, I will enjoy it even more once I know what I am doing and understand what's happening around me and how to play with randoms, because it's not as straight forward with the missions as Darktide

[wraith sphinx]

Yeah, the missions kinda play... like an open world game I guess?

[marble crater]

Takes some getting used to, because I am still too bad to run around alone and do things, so I need my team with me

[wraith sphinx]

Which difficulty have yoh unlocked

[marble crater]

I think I unlocked 7 yesterday, I did spent some time farming credits and samples instead of playing

[wraith sphinx]

We normally play difficulty 1 for super credit farming, higher difficulties replace credits with samples

[pale prairie]

And PoIs with nests etc

[wraith sphinx]

The warp backpack is so cool

Now you can actually completely farm alone

[marble crater]

I did it at 1 yeah, was kinda slow though unlocked Democratic Demolition already though and still have 500 credits to get from Warbonds, so only need 500 for the next one already

[wraith sphinx]

Very good choice

[pale prairie]

Yes

[marble crater]

Might just unlock the Warbond with the Warp pack just to farm alone and unlock future warbonds faster

[pale prairie]

Spike grenade is your friend. So is grenade pistol

[wraith sphinx]

Yeah, thermite is just S tier against bots

[umbral oyster]

Cadia is funny

Is there any reason to pick it outside of playing veteran for the unique voice?

[marble crater]

Don't really understand the difference between operations and missions though. Are those the 1st, 2nd, 3rd thing at the end that give you more medals of you complete the set of missions from an operation?

[marble crater]

More eye color options

[wraith sphinx]

Urban legends is another really good warbond. Strongest armor passive in the game, very good stationary stratagems, even the booster is decent

[dusk timber]

More than what the other planets get

[wraith sphinx]

Operations consist of 1 or more missions

[umbral oyster]

Gunskyer bad

[wraith sphinx]

Bad bait

[umbral oyster]

Playing gunskyer is bad bait

[marble crater]

And the reward for finishing the operation is more medals or something else too, like exp and credits?

[wraith sphinx]

I think it just increases the amount of medals you get, which is very good because medals are slow to gain

[umbral oyster]

The game should get a lever action rifle with a sniper scope for no reason other than it'd be cool

[marble crater]

Okay, god knows I need a lot of medals

[wraith sphinx]

Yeah. And the medal capacity is pretty low (250 I think) so they come and go quick

[pale prairie]

Yeah it’s about getting bigger and bigger medal bonuss

[umbral oyster]

Wish there was a free way to earn aquillas

[marble crater]

Unlocking all the shiny armor and weapons

[umbral oyster]

You can get shillings free in verm

[wraith sphinx]

Eventually you will want to get gud at the game and complete difficulty 10 operations back to back so you can relatively quickly buy all the warbond stuff you want

[pale prairie]

Honestly spamming level 1 for SC will also get you medals fast

[wraith sphinx]

Ehh

It's minor but medal spawns scale with difficulty

[umbral oyster]

Me when assail

[wraith sphinx]

You will always pick up 1 medal per pickup while super credits come in amounts of 10, or very rarely, 100

[pale prairie]

Yes they do but it’s about time investment

[wraith sphinx]

Idk I would say for medals it is preferable to play max difficulty and comb the map clean

[marble crater]

Saw a reddit post that suggested lvl 1 on some bug planet, so I did that for a while. I can see how that would be super fast with several people, kinda slow alone, but a steady source without needing to do anything, so that's nice

[pale prairie]

Eh on level 10? Sometimes it’s easy and you can do that and sometimes it’s fucking rough and you just crawl to extract

Level 1 consistent and you can finish the mission in like 3 min

[wraith sphinx]

3 minutes is the theoretical best time, usually it will take you 4-6 minutes

but I guess my point is that I don't mind medal gain since they're also obtainable in comparable quantities by just playing the game and waiting for major orders to be completed

whereas for super credits, you get much less of them the higher the difficulty so I'm willing to bear the boredom of SC farming for them

[grand forge]

morning, hey guys wich one build of psyker is must needed, like to use in 40 havoc ?

[pale prairie]

Yeah I just get it by doing 10s as well but I recognize there are probably ways to optimize gain

[pale prairie]

Yeah cause they replace SC with medals in PoI hahaha

[pale prairie]

Check the pinned builds but generally VoidBlast or Inferno

[wraith sphinx]

not as much medals as they do with fucking samples

since they completely change out poi templates to be the ones filled with rare samples instead of goodies

[pale prairie]

I am finally approaching max again after upgrading everything

[summer prairie]

@plucky flax you playing yet? I've two

[wraith sphinx]

I maxed out everything 7 months ago 🗿

[pale prairie]

Max samples or upgrades?

[wraith sphinx]

both

[marble crater]

I saw how many samples are needed for everything and judging by how many I gained I came to the conclusion that it will take forever

[pale prairie]

Nice. Samples in level 9-10 are always so dependent on the team being able to actually get them out lmao

[wraith sphinx]

it took me about... 90 hours I think?

[plucky flax]

Yeah but probably wipe soon.

[wraith sphinx]

the time where I didn't have everthing upgraded seems so distant by now

[plucky flax]

I was doing hacking and got 1 shot whilst team all around me.

[summer prairie]

I can wait a bit if you are playing another afterwards

[pale prairie]

I think it took me like 80 something

[plucky flax]

Ye

[wraith sphinx]

either way not the grindies thing in the world

especially compared to darktide penance grinding 😭

[pale prairie]

Truth

[plucky flax]

Moment before disaster.

[wraith sphinx]

plus helldivers is really accesible and has a very gentle learning curve

if you played TPS and coop games before you'll understand everything you need to know within your first 3 or so matches

[wraith sphinx]

karien has the indefatigable portrait frame?

[pale prairie]

I find this debatable hahahaha but it’s a game where skill depth is shallower since the characters don’t have abilities

[wraith sphinx]

my, what a flex

[plucky flax]

Karien let me die to poxwalkers.

[wraith sphinx]

evil

[plucky flax]

She said I wasn't good enough.

So she would not cover objective gaming.

[wraith sphinx]

did karien then turn to camera and say "The weak get skill issued by the strong" with an evil grin

[plucky flax]

My game is broken I need to verify files or something.

Keep crashing.

[deft stump]

Server aborted anyway.

[upper sun]

never verify

just delete all mods and start over

[pale prairie]

It’s almost like there’s mods or something

[honest bloom]

what's going on here fellas

[pale prairie]

Agent getting carried by Karien

[honest bloom]

the usual...

[plucky flax]

You're saying my mods broke the game?

Impossibru

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-meme-astronaut-gif-23926290

[pale prairie]

I was having a similar issue with crashing to desktop in startup and crazy long load times. Ended up doing fresh install of game and mods

Also got rid of the “temporary fix” cause I think it was harming not helping

[plucky flax]

Game is just broken not me.

[upper sun]

you know they made a little tiny baby update yesterday

have you played since 1.8.7?

[plucky flax]

Yeah first game

They did crash fix though

eligibly

[summer prairie]

didn't they update the notes to say it wasn't fixed

[plucky flax]

So they did.

Imagine FS actually fix their game (impossible)

[deft stump]

Crashed from the game somehow loading the Combataxe that dropped with an image of a combatsword.

Great game, can't even load the right weapon image.

Unmodded, so...

[full storm]

A patch to acknowledge the previous patch didn't fix the buff bar? lmao

[deft stump]

Would be funny if this hotfix broke that again and something else on top.

[pale prairie]

Damn. Your struggle makes me feel blessed

[deft stump]

This is just the jankiest game that I have played that isn't like 10+GB mod folder L4D2.

Which crashes on certain maps due to too high poly stuff.

Or the many scripts finally decided to conflict with map scripts.

[pale prairie]

I really think it’s a product of the engine. HD2 uses the same one and the same thing happens

Like they “fixed” the shrapnel of a gun and it ended up pulling the person who fired it toward the explosion if you were too close

[deft stump]

Lul.

I guess the fix was to keep the sharpnel from flying too far by means of gravity well.

[plucky flax]

Swedish meatballs codes

[upper sun]

LMAO

[pale prairie]

Then they tried to fix it again at a later date and when you would shoot something the shrapnel would FLY BACK AT THE SHOOTER……

I still use the gun

It’s fixed now

[deft stump]

So you die instead?

[pale prairie]

Yes

It was beautiful

Love me Swedish defunct game engines

[deft stump]

Is like nobody tests things somehow.

[pale prairie]

In another update they somehow accidentally reduced the distance the grenade launcher would shoot so it would land in front of you and kill you

[pale prairie]

Constant joke about HD2 is that we are their QA team

[deft stump]

Just how.

[deft stump]

Pretty sure is same with DT.

[pale prairie]

They added another gun that used the same projectile but felt it was too good at range so reduced its range I think but it also affected the original grenade launcher

[pale prairie]

Same fucking engine baby! REEEEEEEEE

[deft stump]

I think this is just badly reusing stuff.

On top on jank code.

[pale prairie]

I think the engine makes it easier to just reuse stuff. Right now things are actually okay but we will see cause a big update with content is coming on the second of September.

[pale prairie]

I will say this I think DT servers are a huge part of the jank

[deft stump]

Heh.