psyker-class

[icy breach]

You had poor stamina management then

[pale prairie]

Wow guess Karien is a narc

[dusk timber]

I dont really mind it being that way tbh

[hearty wolf]

Which you don't need to manage on literally any other class

[icy breach]

You still have to vet is just the hardest to do so on

[white valley]

Better than zealot with knives as a good pick and fire nades as a meme pick

[pale prairie]

Not at all it’s an amazing weapon and as long as you build like a meleeker you should be fine.

[deft stump]

You could literally scroll up and see it.

[dusk timber]

Vet is supposed to be specialized in ranged weapons so ditching that for melee is obviously not going to be the greatest thing ever

[cinder perch]

Ahh yeah okay tbh I went for soulblaze shenanigans

[dusky crag]

Vet is for hybrid melee and ranged psyker is the ranged class

[dusk timber]

Right path vet is for hybrid

[pale prairie]

Again using FGS nothing wrong with that. But absolutely it should be last resort behind setting things on fire/staggering dangerous things. Big armored guys do probably require you to pull it out though

[cinder perch]

All I can say from my limited experience is that it's a lil bit of a shame that zealot gets AWESOME melee and pretty good guns I guess, but vet gets good (I think) gun and like, no melee whatsoever unless you go weapon specialist

[white valley]

No melee?

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/im-telling-mom-im-telling-dad-gif-23217687

[white valley]

Vet has fucking power sword lmao

[cinder perch]

Ah yeah true

[white valley]

And iirc vet can one-shot crushers with duelling sword

[pale prairie]

I mean the whole reason for existence of the zealot is being a melee god

[cinder perch]

P much everyone can, it's the duelling sword

[dusk timber]

Ye

[white valley]

And they're not even that good at it lmao

[pale prairie]

Why do you think their class chat has devolved into such a hive of scum and villainy?

[cinder perch]

Yeah but what I'm tryna say is it feels like zealot gets to be a melee god with some decent range, but the range class doesn't get as much out of its "weak spot" as zealot

[icy breach]

Hardly speaking;
Vet; 75% range 25% melee
Zealot; 25% range 75% melee
Psyker; 90% range 10% melee
Ogryn; 25% range 75% melee
Arby; 30% range 70% melee

[deft stump]

Stun can do things, but all feel meh without regen.

[white valley]

Yeah I even like zealot but there's not much to talk about regarding it other than "needs rework urgently"

[pale prairie]

I guess I’ve only seen zealots range well with like flamer, revolver, and bolter. Not sure if I have ever seen one just main ranged. It’s more of an elite or boss killer or panic horde

[cinder perch]

Hmmm that's a neat breakdown

[white valley]

Stun as a nade is okay-ish but the talent detour you gotta take means you will never ever want it

[cinder perch]

...I like stun nades 😔

[dusk timber]

Also ranged psyker with staffs feels way different to using actual guns so idk if that counts

[icy breach]

Its random numbers; its to show how classes are usually played as i experienced it

[cinder perch]

I know but I've never seen someone actually put it into words

[radiant frigate]

"um actually jedi knight is not a melee class"

EPIC take

[icy breach]

They better buff the shit out of fire nades

[pale prairie]

“The reverse S build is good right guys?? We all agree? Okay so where’s the feet pics…”

[deft stump]

I mean, that's just dog dook tree pathings. Vet tree is tax on tax.

[hearty wolf]

To fix zealot

Just give it rager weapons

Gg

[white valley]

YES I LOVE FIRE

THOU SHALT BURN, SHOTGUNNER!

[dusk timber]

Also i do agree on zealot and vet's ratios being mirrored

[white valley]

Sure but some of those taxes are real nice like 30% weakspot damage + 15% base damage to elites + 20% damage to ogryns and monstrosities

Anyway both need a rework

[deft stump]

The oggy+mon damage isn't a tax.

[cinder perch]

Ah, I wish stance was good because its so fun to pick off all the specials

[dusk timber]

To me it always felt like those two classes were supposed to be like a yin and yang to each other

[deft stump]

You get taxed pathing to it.

[white valley]

It's not? It's a lot of damage

Ah fair

[cinder perch]

They are supposed to KISS

[white valley]

Yes yes that makes sense

[dusk timber]

Also opportunity cost of no shout

[white valley]

At least vet gets to not be useless while supporting the team

[cinder perch]

Shoutout to that one perk that's like "you get a buff for being away from your team lmao" hate it so much

[white valley]

Chorus zealots having the worst scoreboard stats known to man

[cinder perch]

Does chorus still cleanse corruption?

[dusk timber]

No

[white valley]

No, the aura, beacon of purity, does

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/jail-righttojail-gif-18077933

[cinder perch]

Ahh thank you

[deft stump]

That's loner... it is garbo.

[white valley]

But plenty of zealots take chorus and beacon, especially for havocs with blight spreads

[deft stump]

And a zealot thing.

[pale prairie]

But it’s so cool and edgy

Also hope you’re feeling better today

[deft stump]

I can be the lowest on any class.

[white valley]

You know what's ridiculous about Loner?

[deft stump]

Just play 300 ping and roll nat 1s at hitting.

[cinder perch]

I just wish they'd cut all the perks that make you break cohesion

[white valley]

Zealot has a talent that already enables toughness coherency regen outside of coherency

[deft stump]

It's better and worse. Dark tide? No, red tide now.

[pale prairie]

That’s the thing though is that scoreboard doesn’t quantify the usefulness of stunning and golden toughness

[white valley]

Fortitude in Fellowship allows you to gain toughness passively even outside of coherency

[deft stump]

Just hug multiple enemies and dodge spam.

[pale prairie]

Hmmm that sounds kind of metal but May the emperor be with you

[deft stump]

Hiss.

[pale prairie]

Read story

[cinder perch]

Surely that just screws over the team no?

[white valley]

Ofc not but it doesn't quantify the usefulness of bubble either and yet I can put it down and keep fighting after

[pale prairie]

Nah it makes it so you can go fucking nuts elite hunting

[white valley]

No? It grants the zealot 50% more coherency toughness regen and enables it to regen outside of coherency

[pale prairie]

Truuuue but bubble doesn’t let you push bosses off ledges. And again golden toughness

[cinder perch]

I just thought that robbing your teammates of their coherency buffs might not be worth it

[pale prairie]

There there

[white valley]

No but bubble prevents burgle puke, trapper nets, flamer fire, and regens 10% toughness per sec

[icy breach]

No; its just coherency being 2 at all times nothing more

[graceful arch]

I just wish loner provided some benefit to teammates who were out of coherency as well so it's not completely useless for your team.

[deft stump]

I care not for the corpse on the metal loo.

[white valley]

It's not Loner, it's not an aura

[deft stump]

HISS.

[pale prairie]

I agree it needs a rework but it’s not worthless

[white valley]

Not saying it is, I like having it in my team

[graceful arch]

Stops punishment waves from spawning aswell from you being away from team.

[cinder perch]

Ah well at least you can justify running off and smacking snipers in their nerdy little faces

[cinder perch]

Oh that's great actually!

[dusk timber]

Also a funny thing i realized about chorus

[pale prairie]

Love the aggressive bedtime story zealot

[white valley]

I am talking about Fortitude in Fellowship, NOT Loner

[pale prairie]

Just so funny

“HES REACHING!!!…..for a bible? WOW this story is fire.”

[icy breach]

No it does not; was debunked years ago

[cinder perch]

Curses

[graceful arch]

Really? Lame.

[icy breach]

Snek

[graceful arch]

Why does everyone fucking still say it does?

[cinder perch]

"I'm sorry father, I was not familiar with your game" -poxwalker number 1600008

[icy breach]

Cause misinformed & stoopid

Not like ogryn

[white valley]

If you want loner, take fortitude in fellowship instead and don't take loner lmao

[icy breach]

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/big-hero6-baymax-there-there-patting-head-pat-head-gif-17634358873307423130

[icy breach]

Why not both; they work perfectly together btw

[graceful arch]

Like how the fuck am I supposed to find good info on this game when like 90% of it's contradictory

[white valley]

They do but Loner does zilch for your team

[cinder perch]

Get a job at chubby marine animal

[dusk timber]

Because youre forced to take the stagger modifier it ends up effectively costing 2 points to take chorus if you want to go to the end of the tree

[deft stump]

CATS HISS AS WELL!

[pale prairie]

Lizards….certain kinds of rodent….monkeys

[dusk timber]

Im pretty sure this is the only ability that works this way

[icy breach]

Rats aswell

[deft stump]

Look, my rabbit could.

[icy breach]

Even frogs hiss

[pale prairie]

Rodent!

[graceful arch]

Why does obese sea creature do this to us.

[icy breach]

Are you a froggie woggie @deft stump ?

[pale prairie]

When you don’t understand how your own code works…..

[dusk timber]

And speaking about the end of the tree on zealot

C'mon

[graceful arch]

What are you talking about?

[deft stump]

NO FOR KARKS SAKE.

[dusk timber]

This is like 9 total non keystone nodes

[dusk timber]

That arent just the small pips with no icon

[white valley]

And there are only 2 keystones

[graceful arch]

Yeah why everyone and their grandma is asking for a zealot skilltree rework.

[white valley]

Well more like 1.5 keystones

[graceful arch]

Wdym Martydom works wonders when you want your team to hate you.

[white valley]

Martyrdom isn't real, I make them go away

My Beloved says Martyrdom zealots don't even have souls

[graceful arch]

Inex is a pretty ok keystone aswell but a bit underwhelming at times.

[deft stump]

Psyker and vet mains are both infuriating.

[white valley]

Inex is the 0.5 keystone, you just take it when piety isn't good for your weapons

[graceful arch]

I'm a zealot main I should be more annoying

[white valley]

True and real

[jovial juniper]

IJ is just worse Martyrdom

[white valley]

Vets talk about Cadia, Psykers talk about dreams

[graceful arch]

You can still take it when piety would be good aswell, it's just want the damn attack speed and you refuse to run martydom.

[pale prairie]

Wait aren’t you a vet main?

[white valley]

I don't want inconsistent fluctuating attack speed

[pale prairie]

Coming in the rework

[dusk timber]

Middle path zealot also feels like its trying to have too much stuff going on

[graceful arch]

True.

[deft stump]

Yes, but I mean the people in them. Have you not seen what happened earlier?

[pale prairie]

When you started hissing?

[white valley]

No I stay away from Vet chat, it has Vet mains in it

[pale prairie]

I don’t go into any chat but this one lmao

[deft stump]

EARLIER.

[graceful arch]

[pale prairie]

When you were talking about vet sucking?

[tulip kettle]

tf is going on in here

[deft stump]

Also, gaslight mains went to vet mains.

[graceful arch]

What happened did this happen during my 3 hours of sleep?

[graceful arch]

No one knows

[dusk timber]

It feels like its trying to be the gun zealot, tank zealot, support zealot and melee glass cannon zealot path all at the same time

[tulip kettle]

loner does nothing with coherency at all, its lies. It just gives you +1 level of toughness regen at all times, up to the max 4

and martyrdom is a completely viable keystone and probably the best with relic blade

[pale prairie]

We are comforting the zealot and vet stans about how truly karked their trees are

[white valley]

True, big mess

[tulip kettle]

im not gonna disagree with the tree being garbage though

[white valley]

Fake keystone

Make it scale off missing hp and it will become real

[pale prairie]

I haven’t checked any other chat

[dusk timber]

Martyrdom should at least give you a fuckton of extra wounds just by choosing it

Or scale with missing hp

[graceful arch]

Not saying it's not viable, I just hate running it with a passion

But that might change

[white valley]

Nah, no wounds, just make it work like Zealot in VT2 does

[dusk timber]

So you dont need the additional investment of wound curios and we can finally just scrap those

[deft stump]

Some psyker mains went over to gaslight there about me carrying as usual. I DO NOT CARRY!

[tulip kettle]

if you think +40% base melee dmg. 40% TDR and 25% attack speed are bad idk what to say

[pale prairie]

Lmao

“DONT HEAL ME”

[white valley]

Obviously that's good, but the wound scaling sucks

[tulip kettle]

and thats with only 2 wound curios and a HP curio

[pale prairie]

Oh man stimming a zealot martyrdom would be so funny

[white valley]

They already say that though

[tulip kettle]

the thing is, when you run 6 wounds martyrdom with 300hp, and you have UTD every 2 minutes

[pale prairie]

Yeah but having the bandages was funny

[tulip kettle]

you are just not caring about the wound scaling at all

and yeah, sure, on other builds you might prefer stam instead of those 2 wound curios

[dusk timber]

Part of why there should be a way to know what major nodes your teammates are running imo

[white valley]

How do you have 300 hp with one hp curio

[tulip kettle]

like this

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-thats-it-p2-p2isonline-gif-3727225

[white valley]

Zealot has a base hp of 200

[white valley]

You would need a 50% bonus to hp to reach 300

[tulip kettle]

okay i guess im just imagining whats on my screen

stupid of me

[white valley]

Although there is a 10% node before martyrdom

[tulip kettle]

there is 🙂

and 21% hp curio

and 3x 5% hp

[white valley]

So that's 31% with a hp curio, plus 15%

[deft stump]

Yes. Infuriating.

[white valley]

Yeah fair

[pale prairie]

You are well liked

[deft stump]

21 21 5 5 5 is 314hp so...

[graceful arch]

What is the benefit to more health stacking Vs toughness stacking on Marty zealot.

[tulip kettle]

it is but then i only get 5 wounds

and i like 6 wounds

because UTD tends to take you above the 1 wound

so im still always getting at least 4 wounds worth of martyrdom buffs

[deft stump]

You mean easy to poke fun at.

[pale prairie]

They only do it cause they like you. Being treated like a vet god is relatively harmless

[graceful arch]

Well it's percentage based so holy rev will always take you to about 2 wounds worth.

[tulip kettle]

is it?

i had no idea

it wont take you to above 2 wounds btw because its capped at 25%

[dusk timber]

Also the fact until death and martyrdom arent on the same path of the tree baffles me

[tulip kettle]

so as i said, youre always getting 4 wounds worth of buffs and sometimes 5

[deft stump]

I suck at the game, WDYM?

[tulip kettle]

dude im being fucking sarcastic

i clearly know how UTD and rev and wounds and martyrdom interact

[graceful arch]

I would just run a 17 toughness probs gives you more ehp overall

[tulip kettle]

again, no, for the reasons i explained

and you really dont need toughness when you are getting that much TDR

[deft stump]

To be fair, the big cleave side has piety... makes no sense.

[dusk timber]

Wdym big cleave?

[tulip kettle]

anyway this aint zealot chat

shadow space wizard money gang

[dusk timber]

Thankfully

[pale prairie]

You really don’t. I bet if you just accepted the compliments they would probably stop eventually hahaha

[tulip kettle]

just start talking about how good you are karien

then we will all say you suck

is just the way of the world

[deft stump]

The nodes seem to fit the swing big sword at head lvl to hit multiple targets side.

[deft stump]

I don't accept lies.

[tulip kettle]

so why do you keep saying you dont carry?

blatant lie

[dusk timber]

Tbf its also on the same path as fury

[deft stump]

Why would I lie about that?

[deft stump]

Because I don't. Also, carrying heresy doesn't count.

[tulip kettle]

i get youre just being humble so i forgive you for lying 🙂

[dusk timber]

Though maybe the movement keystone wouldve been a better fit for left path

[pale prairie]

I mean you totally do! Just only the ones about you “sucking”

[deft stump]

I do suck.

[pale prairie]

So wise in the ways of the GaMeR

[dusk timber]

Tbh the zealot tree will prob be unrecognizable after the rework so theres not much we can speculate on

[deft stump]

Have you seen me play psyker?

[tulip kettle]

actually no

i dont think i could handle that level of power

i would just be in awe and forget to press my buttons

[pale prairie]

Actually that would probably be inspiring

[tulip kettle]

more than i already do

[deft stump]

I AM REALLY BAD AT PSYKER.

[pale prairie]

Oh man like when Ogryn and arbiter are in the back killing pox walkers

[tulip kettle]

thats not awe

thats seething rage

[pale prairie]

Hahahahaha same result

Just shock, standing there, dodge button forgotten

[deft stump]

I would flip a table now if I could...

[pale prairie]

That’s a fun arcade game

[dusk timber]

https://tenor.com/view/touhou-fumo-seija-flip-table-gif-18209408

[graceful arch]

Sometimes my psyker is the one sitting in the back fighting the 2 straggling pox walkers instead of pulling out their melee and running up infuriates me to no end.

[pale prairie]

Damn that’s probably what it will look like

[tulip kettle]

in most normal team comps in H40 its literally the psykers job to clear the pox

and its the ogryn / arb job to be at the front meleeing the elites / bosses

[pale prairie]

It cracks me up because I LOVE diving into melee as Ogryn. Give me those juicy elites and armor

[tulip kettle]

and its the vet/zealot job to clear the specials and play support

[deft stump]

I just throw 3 shards.

[pale prairie]

Laughing and taunting and bitch slapping

[pale prairie]

Fucking preach

[graceful arch]

I know I'm just saying it's annoying when they don't move after it's thinned out.

[haughty walrus]

Good day, what aura you'll strongly suggest for psyker?

[tulip kettle]

so when i, as the psyker, am stood there, looing back at my pick axe ogryn swinging at the poxwalkers coming from the back

i get a little upset

[dusk timber]

Cooldown

[tulip kettle]

its entirely build dependent.

CD is generally good all purpose and is of course in the middle of the tree so always accessible

[upper sun]

cooldown mainly

[deft stump]

Depends on what you are looking for.

[haughty walrus]

thank you. I just want to make a standard for leveling purposes only. ill setup the three when i am at level 30

[dusk timber]

Zealot tree is the one i feel like is the most confused in what it wants to be in each path

[tulip kettle]

stacking seers presence with CDR curios and psykinetics aura makes abilities go brrrr

[deft stump]

I wish beans were on so beekeeper build...

Sec. Running to PC.

[white valley]

CDR is probably the strongest by virtue of abilities being the single most impactful action you can do at any time

[graceful arch]

Right and left side of the tree usually has pretty ok cohesion. The problem is middle path has things that belong to the other 2 sides and then it just has a few ranged nodes.

[tulip kettle]

beans gave gojo the starting of a levelling tree yesterday

[deft stump]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9fa31888-06d2-48e1-8df3-94ae65064989/a-newbies-guide-to-beekeeping

[tulip kettle]

but essentially levelling psyker is assail

[haughty walrus]

yep i cycle assail with my ling range gun

[deft stump]

Back to kitchen for dinner.

[tulip kettle]

this is such a karien build

bistol lover

[dusk timber]

Ye i said before and middle path is trying to be gun zealot, tank zealot, support zealot and glass cannon zealot all in one

But then you also have a bunch of things in each path that feels like it was meant to be in a different one

[deft stump]

It's for newbies.

I run a modded ver for myself.

[dusk timber]

Like its all a really indistinct mess

[deft stump]

By that, I mean, +9 stam.

And flamey staff.

[quartz barn]

Member, build isnt indicative of player skill

[tulip kettle]

and then you see psyker running nonsense like this with EK

and having a great time

(its me)

[white valley]

Soft disagree

[quartz barn]

Depends on the game ye

[deft stump]

I have none. Why do you think I run beekeeper?

[white valley]

Game knowledge has some correlation with skill, and therefore builds reflect that

[quartz barn]

But for dt theres little instances where skills dont synergize

[dusk timber]

Meanwhile i can pretty easily say what each path on vet and ogryn are trying to do (to varying degrees of success) and i feel like im starting to get a good grasp of arbites paths

[tulip kettle]

arbites has paths?

[white valley]

If I see someone running 10% crit damage on a weapon, I assume I am in for a bad time with them

[tulip kettle]

i thought it was just "dog" or "no dog"

[dusk timber]

I mean like the left, middle and right sections

[white valley]

Arbites has melee path, ranged path and dog path

[radiant frigate]

what the guh is this

[deft stump]

Oh yeah, look at the link. Gun is to taste. Bistol is there if you wanna play with bleed swap.

[tulip kettle]

ranged path is not an acceptable build on arb

[quartz barn]

Fair enough lol, but lets be honest each game has trap skills/perks

[tulip kettle]

hurr durr i spam my shotgun into hordes

and run out of ammo by room 2

[deft stump]

Newbie's guide to assailBeekeeping.

[dusk timber]

I can at least tell its trying to be a ranged path

[radiant frigate]

arb is not acceptable

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/fact-facts-gif-27357240

[white valley]

Yes and it's on the players to be informed, if I invite someone to a havoc 40 and they have trap perks or talents it is their fault

[radiant frigate]

terminus warrant out here being the most dogshit keystone ever conceived

[deft stump]

Beans said it was okay for newbies...

[quartz barn]

Shouldve used the inspect player mod smh

[dusk timber]

I cant describe psyker's paths but i imagine thats mostly cause i just have very little experience with it yet

[tulip kettle]

and it is, honestly

because its a melee/gun based build that maybe does some assailing

[quartz barn]

Psyker also doesnt have set paths

[radiant frigate]

there's The Evocation Wizard, The Protector and The Bladesinger

[white valley]

Psyker has soulblaze/caster path and gunker path basically

[tulip kettle]

the main thing on psyker is "crits or no crits"

[dusk timber]

It has a left, a middle and a right

[quartz barn]

And most nodes rely a lot on the weapons you use

[tulip kettle]

blaze or no blaze

[quartz barn]

A lot more than other classes

[deft stump]

Assail is primary actually.

[tulip kettle]

well sure but really assail can never be "primary" because even with quick shards youre gonna run out

[deft stump]

I ran it in heresy fine.

[quartz barn]

Rip release assail

[deft stump]

Just burn bosses.

I run it with inferno staff for funni.

[tulip kettle]

and assail is all fun and games until the maulers/crushers turn up

[deft stump]

Deimos to the rescue.

[quartz barn]

Dont question karien

[deft stump]

L1 h2.

[quartz barn]

Top player for a reason

[tulip kettle]

deimos for noobies is insanity btw

[radiant frigate]

yeah true

[deft stump]

Fien, Dueling sword.

[radiant frigate]

without slaughterer especially

[tulip kettle]

same again

any weapon that involves you getting close to armour

is not noob friendly

imo

[quartz barn]

Disagree

[tulip kettle]

they WILL go sploot

[radiant frigate]

both of these will have newbies going "wtf i get surrounded by horde and die"

[quartz barn]

New players will be close to armor by default

Because spacing and movement is hard

[deft stump]

Assail for hordes.

[white valley]

That will be an important learning experience

[deft stump]

Deimos L1 H1 knocks down armoured hilariously.

[quartz barn]

Better have a close range option vs requiring to stay at a distance

[radiant frigate]

we should let novice psykers run with scissors

[left basin]

anyone tried psyker staves in mortis extensively? are there any good synergies?

[tulip kettle]

yeah it does

[white valley]

They are newbies, they will do that regardless of setup

[tulip kettle]

mortis is kind of considered a joke game mode

and unfortunately the burn stuff doesnt really synergise well because soulblaze and burning are seperate

[quartz barn]

Synergy doesnt really matter in mortis

[tulip kettle]

gunker is fun in mortis

[left basin]

i don't really care about that, i want my chaos wastes

[radiant frigate]

yeah but with a "mash m1 clear horde gg" type weapon it may be mitigated

[white valley]

I remember I once got my inferno staff to apply burn as well

Peak

[tulip kettle]

blitz based builds are fun in mortis

[deft stump]

Give them boring meta loadouts and they potato. Give them a plasma, they also potato.

[radiant frigate]

i also potato

[quartz barn]

I ran non sb trauma last time but only got fire perks

[radiant frigate]

i am the potatest

[quartz barn]

Still ok i guess

[tulip kettle]

rip

[deft stump]

M1 your bees.

[white valley]

Give newbies an ogryn I guess

[quartz barn]

But my neutral did all the works anyway

[white valley]

But then a trapper happens

[quartz barn]

Honestly that always happens

[radiant frigate]

oh ok you call assail "bees"

i get it now

[quartz barn]

Besides, i learned how to dodge mutants in AM mutant hordes

[deft stump]

Beekeeper, it's an Assail+EP build.

[radiant frigate]

that is the safest next to arby traitor

[quartz barn]

So im not gonna expect new players to actually deal with specials at all

[jovial juniper]

Fulminator Smite

[deft stump]

Very simple. Throw bee swarm at hordes.

[pale prairie]

I think you are confusing your computer with your skills

[jovial juniper]

The Assailer

[deft stump]

I mean... if you saw the OG build.

Assailer yep.

[radiant frigate]

not true my pc is a beehive actually

i hear them buzz through my headset

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/nicholas-nicholascage-bees-bite-gif-4944634

[left basin]

wuh do

[pale prairie]

Holy loose ball bearings Batman

[deft stump]

I just put better curios and saner ranged.

[tulip kettle]

smite sets stuff on fire.

[left basin]

https://tenor.com/view/unsure-hmm-well-im-not-sure-gif-8356182

[pale prairie]

Say bistol….say it

[radiant frigate]

I'm a bistol hater personally

[deft stump]

The meme ver has inferno.

Or EK.

[pale prairie]

[left basin]

i kinda miss it when ass sale applied like 16 stacks of fire

[deft stump]

Horrible for newbies.

[jovial juniper]

Core indulgences are shocked enemies take more damage and ranged applies fire, then you hold smite

[tulip kettle]

i LOVE it when the special survives with 50 hp and disables me

[jovial juniper]

[pale prairie]

You just a hater, girl. And that’s okay

[deft stump]

Always shoot twice.

[radiant frigate]

honestly i do not think assail goes well with any staff except maybe EK

[jovial juniper]

Extra points if you run gaze unbound

With+3

[tulip kettle]

i would do this, but then you see

[deft stump]

Ping taught me to shoot all my mag.

[tulip kettle]

the second shot goes into outer space

because the recoil jank on bolt weapons in this game is hilariously bad

[deft stump]

But the peril gain lul.

[pale prairie]

And this is the fixed edition

[radiant frigate]

this is true

[pale prairie]

Remember when they were REALLY bad?

[radiant frigate]

what of it

[deft stump]

Lrn to ads and unads.

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-i-member-south-park-s20e1-member-berries-member-gif-20603952

[deft stump]

Ek peril on that build is like brain pop.

[left basin]

always do, ass sale kill reset (and still working moron cancel) + dd25 is the nicest standing still experience in darktide i've had

[pale prairie]

I think Karien just told you to git gud

[tulip kettle]

sry im not pro

[radiant frigate]

if running inferno just get headsplosion, with voidstrike i never find a use case for assail

[tulip kettle]

no flame me plz

[pale prairie]

Agent?

[radiant frigate]

and trauma is trauma

[tulip kettle]

theres actually only 3 people in this chat using multiple accounts 🙂

[pale prairie]

I can never justify pathing right with any staff other than voidstrike

[pale prairie]

Damn the acting is fucking peak

[radiant frigate]

the voidstrike problem for me is that i want MM but i do not want assail or smite with it

[deft stump]

Only 2 have multiple acct. I don't have alts. Also vet main.

[radiant frigate]

carryen

[tulip kettle]

just remember to change accounts when you reply

[pale prairie]

Yeah it does feel a bit useless looking for a good blitz for VS. but assail at least can help you get crit stacks and true aim for Vs

[tulip kettle]

carry-em

[deft stump]

Nu.

[pale prairie]

Wait…..Karien and Agent are the same person

[deft stump]

You wanna carry me?

[pale prairie]

Holy shit

[radiant frigate]

OR it messes with your true aim stacks intended for surged up double shots

[tulip kettle]

carry-(th)em

[deft stump]

No. I'm a vet main.

[pale prairie]

Still getting the perfect timing though

[pale prairie]

Yeah this account is

[radiant frigate]

no no she's an archetype too

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-bateman-excel-spreadsheet-gif-7238830070035077751

[radiant frigate]

karien carries
agent falls off cliffs
sin presses W

which way, sibling?

[tulip kettle]

unfortunately

this is false

sin is not W player

[pale prairie]

But both sin and Karien scream right?

[tulip kettle]

fifty. seven. minutes

[radiant frigate]

karien exists in a constant state of scream

[deft stump]

Internally.

[pale prairie]

The vet main

[radiant frigate]

is sin L??

[tulip kettle]

indeed.

[deft stump]

A vet main.

[pale prairie]

This was my favorite addition to the Sin lore

Like how

[tulip kettle]

i joined his H40 random search yesterday

he called me a slur

then we died

[pale prairie]

THE vet main

[radiant frigate]

was it a high quality slur at least

[pale prairie]

What the fuck

That’s my one blocked player is a guy who was using slurs

Internet anonymity makes some people too bold

[upper sun]

🚬 they need to increase the block list

[pale prairie]

EU servers sound like a mess

[radiant frigate]

they call me psyker with a hard R 😭

[pale prairie]

Sorry thought you were into that

[tulip kettle]

im just beaming rn tbh

i have truly made it

flamed by karien

[left basin]

YEAH KEEP SMITING YOU PURPLE PIECE OF SHIT PSYKER

https://tenor.com/view/adam-driver-keep-driving-gif-4637709296264671591

[deft stump]

A Vet main.

[radiant frigate]

"psyker this, psyker that, can a psyker borrow some perils?'

[tulip kettle]

saved ❤️

[pale prairie]

A veteran vet

[tulip kettle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pDu0wTTORU

how do i get this as my FoTF voice line

[pale prairie]

What the hell

[deft stump]

You are all infuriating!

[pale prairie]

Didn’t know servitors could become priests

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/gobble-thanksgiving-friends-happy-thanksgiving-gif-12387184271512369663

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-images-flowers-gif-8036268208563624867

[upper sun]

listening to @buoyant maple and taking off the 9123128745 extra cleave was a bad idea

[tulip kettle]

lol

literally 1 pox dies

rip

[upper sun]

🚬 push to cleave on a weapon that has an extra clear heavy after PA is PEAK and i wont hear otherwise

drive them back my beloved....

[pale prairie]

Has anybody ever noticed all of Clad’s clips are him alive and everyone else dead

[tulip kettle]

i have noticed this also

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/highly-suspect-ratatouille-gif-12289739

[upper sun]

nothing else is worth saving

[tulip kettle]

its almost as if he tries to engineer these situations

some might say, he treats his human team mates as if they are bots

[pale prairie]

Six uses the phrase “meat shields”

[graceful arch]

I'm the last one standing a lot aswell.

[pale prairie]

You arbie?

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/pro-gamur-gif-20729392

[graceful arch]

Zealot

[pale prairie]

That tracks

[upper sun]

six is NOT wrong

had to clutch a game twice yesterday

[tulip kettle]

in fairness to clad he doesnt use them as meat shields

[pale prairie]

Yeah but six is typically playing the glass cannon

[graceful arch]

I am sitting there with my tooth pick and book and just like ok it was fun lads.

[tulip kettle]

he just acts like they arent there

[upper sun]

ended like this

[graceful arch]

A trapper at the end there would have been peak justice.

[upper sun]

there is no justice in this world 🚬

[pale prairie]

Not in my 40k

[graceful arch]

The only justice in this world is the blood of heretics being spilled.

[tulip kettle]

also, i had a guy join my solo run earlier and instantly blow up a burster on me then get vored by a burgle and die

so i kind of dont blame him

[pale prairie]

That’s a little justice

[upper sun]

fatshark literally balanced ogryn and arby around my skill level my clutch rate shot up to 90%

there is NO justice

[tulip kettle]

i have honestly not touched arb after the first week and a half or so

its just not fun

there is 0 threat

[pale prairie]

Literally played with 3 Arby’s squad yesterday and it was so ass

[upper sun]

yea

[pale prairie]

Somehow they weren’t tanky and weren’t doing damage

Ran from armor

[upper sun]

arby ruined me man

[hearty wolf]

Arby is weak

[upper sun]

i cant even play ogryn anymore

[upper sun]

SO TRV KING

buff arby so i can play h40

[hearty wolf]

Literally is

[pale prairie]

Last guy died to carapace swarm while using the shield with the stun flash

[hearty wolf]

It doesn't have infinite cleave like psyker

[tulip kettle]

infinite cleave wont save you when youre cornered by armour

meanwhile arb

[graceful arch]

Arby is so weak it's just one of the easiest classes to solo 40 on.

[tulip kettle]

BACK

[graceful arch]

[tulip kettle]

I AM ADAMANT

[pale prairie]

It was probably cause it was event so they couldn’t toughness tank all the bursters

[tulip kettle]

@hearty wolf can you post the build you were playing in havoc yesterday

[deft stump]

Guy refuses to show that one time where he dooked up so hard to a trapper.

[pale prairie]

Hehehehehe

Karien remembers though

[upper sun]

nuh uhh

[tulip kettle]

i have heard tales of a clip being in existence of clad losing a 1 vs 1 to a bulwark

is true?

[upper sun]

yes

its tru

[pale prairie]

Wait is this before Arby?

[upper sun]

afterwards i started ignoring them

[upper sun]

mainly thammer zealot

[pale prairie]

That’s completely understandable

[upper sun]

WHY THE HELL DO EMPOWERED HEAVIES NOT OPEN BULWARKS WHILE LIGHTS DO

[pale prairie]

Thammer is like playing after cutting off one hand

[hearty wolf]

Why

[tulip kettle]

because i want to copy it?

[pale prairie]

Lmao

[hearty wolf]

Wtf

[tulip kettle]

you know a lot more about arb than me

[hearty wolf]

I made it myself

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582

[upper sun]

took me a while but i realized using unyield+elite instead of unyielding+flak on ironhelm lets me two tap bulwarks with empowered lights

[pale prairie]

What the fuck

That’s hilarious

[hearty wolf]

@tulip kettle are you gonna run it rn or can you wait 2ish hours

[tulip kettle]

yeah i can wait

[hearty wolf]

I can log on now it's np but I'm still working

Kk

[upper sun]

ye its pretty comfy

[hearty wolf]

Having coworker on discord problem 😭

[deft stump]

Because I have trauma trying to clear at 300 ping, then barely getting him up and going to the rescue.

[upper sun]

the issue is with ironhelm

[tulip kettle]

relateable

is why always invisible

same on steam

[upper sun]

H1 tends to hook the carapace shoulder on bulwarks

[pale prairie]

Clad we will all be afraid of you once they fix thammers for the final time

[upper sun]

so you need H2 for reliable damage

OR you can just use 2 lights

[deft stump]

He was on Zealot. I was on my vet.

[pale prairie]

You a real heroin Karien

[deft stump]

Field improv crate my beloved.

6 arena wide frags.

Wait, 10.

[hearty wolf]

I think

[pale prairie]

“Grenades are worthless” /s

[hearty wolf]

I just sonic boomed my cat LMAO

[deft stump]

4+4+2.

[hearty wolf]

She was sleeping by the subwoofer

[pale prairie]

Oh damn

[deft stump]

Was on, whatever, just die already.

[hearty wolf]

And I was just turning up music and swapping from headphones

And then

[pale prairie]

Cat will never trust subwoofer again

[deft stump]

Clad forgetti.

[hearty wolf]

"SO WHEN YOU HOLD ONTO"

Boom

She launched at out from under the desk at 100mph

[pale prairie]

Maybe not a fan of that song

[hearty wolf]

It's a fucking sick song

[pale prairie]

Agreed

But she didn’t like it

[deft stump]

Well, if you get blasted by a stage speaker by standing next to it...

[hearty wolf]

😭

[pale prairie]

Oh hey it’s like the vox head thing arbies drop

[hearty wolf]

She just went back to sleep instantly lmao

[deft stump]

That's basically what happened to her.

[hearty wolf]

I'm potentially thinking of swapping soulguilt for efficient killer

But I'm not convinced it's that much better

[ripe obsidian]

No impact nodes. Gross

:(

[hearty wolf]

Dead> Impact

[tulip kettle]

ty

[ripe obsidian]

Impact = +damage

You goofus

[hearty wolf]

-2 skill points for it

Only works on second hit too

And provided the target is facing you

[ripe obsidian]

But it works for the whole team

[hearty wolf]

And chaos spawns are scared of me

[ripe obsidian]

There are multiple nodes that increase damage to staggered enemies for the team

[hearty wolf]

It no work on red :(

[tulip kettle]

what about one with BTL

[ripe obsidian]

Yes it does?

[hearty wolf]

Only if you hit them which you aren't always doing since you're backing up

Others sources didn't work methought

and if you're going to hit them, you're going to kill them

[graceful arch]

Don't you take the weakspot hits count the enemies as staggered node?

[hearty wolf]

Noes

[ripe obsidian]

"Melee hits against enemy weakspots apply a debuff that makes the target count as being staggered for 4s; can be refreshed during active duration. Can also be applied with melee special actions of ranged weapons. This debuff allows Arbitrator's Breaking Dissent, Final Warning, Force of Will, Forceful, Hold the Line, Strike Down, Suppression Force, and Target the Weak to proc consistently against any debuffed target as if the target had been put into staggered state before.

The best use case is against targets that are hard (or impossible) to stagger by usual means like monstrosities, Captains/Twins, or enemies buffed by the Havoc mutator 'The Final Toll'.

For example, with Target the Weak, the first hit would apply Concussive's fake stagger debuff, the second hit would apply Target the Weak's damage taken debuff, and the third hit (and subsequent ones) would then benefit from the damage increase.

Note that this talent's debuff also allows consistent procs for weapon blessings Execution, Opportunist, Skullcrusher, Smackdown, and Thunderstrike."

[tulip kettle]

would it also not be better to just take the flat 10% melee dmg node

[hearty wolf]

Oh so it's just misleading

[tulip kettle]

at the start of the tree

instead of soulguilt

[hearty wolf]

Either way not taking it because it applies to melee. Half the time I'm with psykers or an ogryn

[ripe obsidian]

Soulguilt is a strength increase, so it multiplies properly instead of just the weakspot bonus

[graceful arch]

Something like this is what I've seen people run usually

[hearty wolf]

this but

more importantly

[ripe obsidian]

The aura applies to all damage

[hearty wolf]

10% melee damage is a minor node

[tulip kettle]

ah yes small blue circle worse

i frgor

[hearty wolf]

but am not taking the aura

[tulip kettle]

are there any modifer nodes to forceful that arent worth?

[ripe obsidian]

This is what I use

[ripe obsidian]

Therein lies the question

[hearty wolf]

Will of the lex

[ripe obsidian]

???

[hearty wolf]

Also this also shows me something interesting

It takes 3 hits to get the value

[ripe obsidian]

Judicial Force is pretty bleh

[hearty wolf]

I thought it would have only been 2

[hearty wolf]

?

[graceful arch]

I mean 3 hits you will have max skull crusher etc. you don't really care for more damage on anything dead in less than 3 hits anyways.

[ripe obsidian]

For that one node if the enemy is stagger immune, yes.

Hits with melee attacks and pushes that successfully stagger the target (including hits against already staggered targets) apply a debuff to enemies that increases their melee damage taken by 15%;

[tulip kettle]

this is what i am currently using with the maul and bistol

[ripe obsidian]

5% toughness per second is good

[tulip kettle]

and it feels fine, braindead easy even

but i know fuck all about the tree and im sure it can be improved

[ripe obsidian]

I have low uptime on the dodge node, so I haven't been taking it. Like 30%

[hearty wolf]

I dunno, I'm not seeing it

I quit game now

[plucky flax]

The crit chance on kill node is good.

Big crit.

[tulip kettle]

awesome i have a point spare so i guess it goes on that

[plucky flax]

Wait you don't have headshot = stagger state.

[ripe obsidian]

But very little benefit from crits

[tulip kettle]

i do have that too i just didnt click it on this tree

[deft stump]

Weight of the Lex. Last time I heard, it was broken as well.

[tulip kettle]

because im dumb

[ripe obsidian]

I mean, a crit has a damage increase floor of like 25%, so that's fine. But nothing else builds off of it

And 20% of 25% is eh

[plucky flax]

Big crit big damage.

Also it gives like 16% crit chance.

[tulip kettle]

what about on the maul itself, perks/blessings?

[ripe obsidian]

So 4% damage increase

On average

[plucky flax]

I run flak unyielding and 2 damage blessings.

[ripe obsidian]

Executor and High Voltage. +damage on stagger and on shock

[plucky flax]

The damage on shock and damage on stagger.

[ripe obsidian]

Another reason to take the stagger nodes. @hearty wolf

[ripe obsidian]

:(

[hearty wolf]

But I don't take execution anyway xd

[tulip kettle]

so cara not worth? what about with the rending node as well

[plucky flax]

Relentless strike is more single target dps but it falls off vs horde.

You can go carapace unyielding too.

I just go flak cos I dunno

Big bonk on captains.

Arby = boss killer.

[ripe obsidian]

I don't know how much finesse scaling it has to know if crits are any good

[plucky flax]

So flak unyielding seems good to me.

Similar to how I have flak unyielding on oggy as well.

[loud girder]

crusher on arbi = entire team is boss killer

[ripe obsidian]

Disgusting. >:(

[plucky flax]

Random h40 ready players don't hit bosses for whatever reason so I don't mind doing it.

[ripe obsidian]

Is it? I have not seen that, but I know not

[tulip kettle]

so how do you deal with the armour blobs, and will i gain meaningful breakpoint differences by taking +cara and strike down (rending vs stagger)?

[ripe obsidian]

Stagger 'em

[plucky flax]

Spam f and kill them.

Only struggle vs the wall.

[tulip kettle]

yeah sure but if i have to hit each one 5 times to kill it its not exactly fast

[deft stump]

Is heavy attack grants a buff to damage, but it's eh or does nothing.

[plucky flax]

Blob of crushers is no problem.

Only burga/trauma psyker can do well against the wall tbh

Maybe krak nade vet Xd

[tulip kettle]

i mean yeah i also admit that so far the only thing that seems to be a proble is trappers behind hordes when im out of dodges

[tulip kettle]

factual

[loud girder]

break da line

[plucky flax]

Bubble knight is extremely bad against the wall too.

I fail every clutch that happens.

Oh zealot with flamer can kill the wall.

[loud girder]

strongest build in the game unironically

(if u know how to use it)

[plucky flax]

(I don't )

Me very noob

[tulip kettle]

die immediately then spectate better players?

thats my usual go to

[deft stump]

Just spray fire everywhere, right?

[loud girder]

this

[ripe obsidian]

+15% is nice, especially on the sweeping heavy that hits like 6 enemies

[plucky flax]

Yes ma'am just unload your hot sticky juice all over them.

[loud girder]

i unironically love watching a good psyker especially if they're doing thate funny rat build with 1000 actions per minute

makes my wrists hurt by just watching

[ripe obsidian]

Wait, Weight of the Lex increases all damage, not just to enemies hit

That's really good

[deft stump]

Thing is, it feels like it doesn't do anything.

[pale prairie]

Is it dodge left or right for crusher overhead

[tulip kettle]

i will test it now

[deft stump]

Played with it, ended up going back to +75% cleave on push.

[ripe obsidian]

heavy_attacks_increase_damage = {
            damage = 0.15,
            duration = 5,
        },

Code looks too simple to be borked

[ripe obsidian]

I use both

[deft stump]

No points.

More so if I want to go left to get stuff.

[marble crater]

Dodge backwards, trust me

[ripe obsidian]

check_proc_func = function (params, template_data, template_context)
        local is_heavy = params.is_heavy or params.melee_attack_strength == "heavy"

        if not params.is_heavy then
            return false
        end

        return params.num_hit_units > 0
    end,
    proc_stat_buffs = {
        [stat_buffs.damage] = talent_settings.heavy_attacks_increase_damage.damage,
    },

[pale prairie]

I like you so I guess I’ll trust you

[marble crater]

[deft stump]

Either. Never back unless WS knoife or DS5 pen dump.

[ripe obsidian]

I am not a believer in the left side of the tree

[pale prairie]

Thanks Karien. True mvp

[tulip kettle]

yeah it definitely works

[deft stump]

I bonk hed, moar str?

[deft stump]

Guess it just feels like it does nothing then.

Like, no new breakpoints.

[tulip kettle]

i guess not

[dusk timber]

On arbites?

[tulip kettle]

but for some idea, just weight of the lex by itself makes second light attack into reaper from 761 to 830

in my test

[deft stump]

I mostly use the smaul and shield. The shield slam to hed on heavy mark.

[wind wind]

Psyker feels so useless against monstrosities

personal judgement, not the gospel

[tulip kettle]

it is unless you have a very specific build for killing them

and even then i think other classes do it better

[wind wind]

Yeah did the mistake of jumping into a lesser monstrosities mael earlier with purgatus psyker

[pale prairie]

Just only fight pogryn he’s easy

[wind wind]

Ironically i suck against him the most

[pale prairie]

The only one that is cancer is bonbon

[wind wind]

Favorite monstrosity is burgle

[pale prairie]

Because he literally gives cancer

[wind wind]

Because slow af

Chaos spawn is annoying too.

[pale prairie]

Yeah but I like to melee so I have to be extra careful against burgle

[wind wind]

Chaos mommy is difficult on anything except ogryn lmao

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah

I don't hate it. Left side is strong. I just don't use it

[wind wind]

Yeah, no, against burgle its bombs away, open fire

[pale prairie]

It’s just learning the attack pattern but it sucks when you are fighting it then it just drops aggro to murder the other squishy psyker who isn’t ready for it

[wind wind]

Out of 8 trees, If say i have 3 forcefulls, 1 Terminus (dont judge me) and the rest is execution order

[deft stump]

Just have a squisher vet pull aggro.

[pale prairie]

See this is why we all think you’re mvp

Karien dying for my sins

[wind wind]

Yeah, in order to deal any real damage to it you have to aggro it because youre not hitting the head otherwise

[pale prairie]

Yeah with purge I just get some flame stacks on then run unless I am really confident about face stabs

The real funny is when you switch to Ogryn and I assume arbiter and find boss fights to be fucking easy

“Oh so then I just spam attacks? This a boss fight innit?”

[wind wind]

Yeah....

Captain Jack Sparrow mode activated -> "we must fight... To run away".

[pale prairie]

“Dots need time to work this is all part of the plan”

[wind wind]

And yet of of the bumpkins in here yesterday wanted to nerf psykers dps

[pale prairie]

Nah bath basically thinks it’s dumb that psyker can top damage with either flames or melee

[tulip kettle]

psyker is not top damaging on melee

[wind wind]

dodges chaos spawn grab

"This is the time you almost caug' gets blowm up by the silent burster from behind.

[tulip kettle]

unless its agent playing and nobody is playing arb or ogryn

[wind wind]

Thankfully he is not a developer

[pale prairie]

I mean more like melee focused build. Most of the damage is like blitz and gun

[tulip kettle]

and yes, shockingly, the horde clear guy who kills 1000+ poxwalkers with infinite ammo flamer gets big yellow number

more news at 11

[pale prairie]

He had some decent ideas but I think he used the word “nerf” too liberally. He wanted to recreate the class basically

[wind wind]

We need to jail him

[pale prairie]

I think it’s just a misunderstanding of how the class plays beyond just see by scoreboards at the end of a match

[tulip kettle]

meanwhile arbs putting out 600k boss dmg like its nothing

[raven mountain]

Sentence him to play smyker for eternity.

[deft stump]

You mean do no damage while panicking.

[pale prairie]

Like the idea of having a build decision of tank vs not tank is good but not when it comes to completely removing peril to achieve tank. That makes no sense.

[pale prairie]

That’s just number bloat…..

[tulip kettle]

you mean you want to use psychic abilities on the psyker class?

HERESY

[pale prairie]

I mean it is but it’s also just a clone class of Ogryn with some vet play sprinkled in

[tulip kettle]

you will play budget weapon specialist

[tulip kettle]

and you will enjoy it

[pale prairie]

Exactly. Peril mechanic is core to the class and abilities and blitzes. Motivating you to ignore it completely or even avoid it just makes it a non psyker. Play something else

[dusk timber]

Oh alright

[wind wind]

Honestly, i dont see the issue with op or very good things in this game because i see enough shitters playing this game with the op builds and still dying.

Once had an ogrynheimer that died 3 minutes in and ragequit...

Most players are too trash to exploit the exploits

[pale prairie]

I think having a balance between classes is important. Not make them all the same but give them a role to shine in and then maybe ancillary builds for fun or to allow players to find niches by being creative. I do think power creep though ends up with the crazy havoc we have today/when they introduced juiced shooters that could kill you in less than a second

[dusk timber]

And also balance within a class' own options

[deft stump]

I mean, some are honest about lacking... physical ability.

[wind wind]

Crazy havoc is for the cracks among us who'll bet anything. The "let me solo her"-kind

Most average players are barely enough for maelstrom. If anything.

[pale prairie]

I mean to an extent. I think for instance a vet who is dedicated building into ranged damage and killing specials and elites should always outperform an Ogryn building into ranged

[wind wind]

Never had anyone admit they were physically incapeable. Usually they just ragequit after dying

[dusk timber]

Having strong things is good, having things that trivialize the game and make other options irrelevant is not

[deft stump]

I meant myself.

[tulip kettle]

is me

am old and slow

[wind wind]

laughs in kickback

[tulip kettle]

also stupid

[ripe obsidian]

Forceful feels more impactful to me. I have tried Execution Order many times, but I feel like I perform worse.

[deft stump]

Are you more than half in the grave?

[pale prairie]

Exactly. Like have a core identity to a class then add in sub specialties that dip into other core identities but do not overshadow them.

[tulip kettle]

idk i feel like im dying when i read half the stuff in here

[wind wind]

And tired

[tulip kettle]

does that count?

[dusk timber]

I meant more so like shout shouldnt make the other 2 abilities near irrelevant

[pale prairie]

Very true

[deft stump]

Is truth.

[wind wind]

I found the variety important. I could never play only one keystone (unless its vet, then i play none cause they all suck )

[pale prairie]

Usually it’s people saying “Gg you rocked Fr”

[tulip kettle]

i live for people complimenting my drip tbh

[deft stump]

Problem is more, shout barely competes with what other classes have, the other two straight needs buffs.

[pale prairie]

It should absolutely be that every class chat here is constantly debating what the “best” keystone or build is

[tulip kettle]

we all know dripmaxxing is the true goal of the game

[deft stump]

More, everyone leaves.

[deft stump]

This is every game, why I hate IAPs.

[ripe obsidian]

I tend to find a playstyle I like and stick with it for a while. In this case, it's super aggro melee-focused Arby.

[pale prairie]

Same I find one I like and then spend all my time trying to “master” it

[tulip kettle]

sounds like something someone with no drip would say

[deft stump]

You mean no money?

[pale prairie]

True true. Sometimes it’s just Gg then immediate leave

[wind wind]

I have a solution:

• get rid of the stealth ability and give veteran a melee ability. I dont care what.

• give executioners stance either toughness damage resistance or toughness replenished on kill or drop his aggro pulling factor to 0.

[dusk timber]

The stealth can 100% stay

[tulip kettle]

money 🚫 = drip

[dusk timber]

Just buff it to actually be useful

[deft stump]

In this, money=drip.

[dusk timber]

Cause it fits what the path is trying to do?

[pale prairie]

Very true

[wind wind]

I only use it for one build...

That is my lasgun build. Pop out, take a couple shots, dip away

[dusk timber]

Yeah but thats cause infiltrate sucks rn

[deft stump]

So no money = no drip

[wind wind]

How would you buff it then?

[tulip kettle]

moneyless sienna at home

[plucky flax]

Yes beloved.

[dusk timber]

Time to pull out the txt file

[pale prairie]

I think it would be fun as a repositioning tool that allows you to find a new good spot but doesn’t boost any damage. I’ve never played vet so I don’t know how it even works haha

[deft stump]

Need older, also where tattoos?

[pale prairie]

Oh man Karien is a drip purist

[tulip kettle]

i like to pretend im young in game

and tats in this game are... not to my taste, generally

ogryn being the exception

[deft stump]

Sienna's tattoo...

[wind wind]

Oh wait, you were the crazy son of a gun who actually had a detailed plan, right? Id love to read all of it

[dusk timber]

the fuck

[deft stump]

You want to go Sienna, you go Sienna.

[dusk timber]

why is not letting me send the text

[wind wind]

Just DM me

[deft stump]

Too big?

[pale prairie]

Preach, girl

[wind wind]

If push comes to shove imma give you a trash gmail

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/spam-spam-intensifies-yum-gif-13948300

[dusk timber]

no discord just replies me with a error message

[pale prairie]

Fatshark refuses to be taught

[dusk timber]

lemme try again

[wind wind]

Obviously imma give it to him in private

And never use it again afterwards

[pale prairie]

How about….dont

I’ll use real money to commission felinid smut just to send you

[dusk timber]

Cooldown cannot regenerate or be reduced in any way while in the effects of stealth (this will be absolutely necessary with some of the gigabuffs im proposing later)
⦁Duration of the toughness damage reduction from Hunter's Resolve reduced from 10s->8s (just standardizing with the other "when leaving stealth" buffs it will receive)
⦁Duration of stealth increased from 8 to 10 seconds. Attacking still ends stealth immediately (with full 10 seconds duration followed by 45 seconds of cooldown this means the most uptime you can have is 10/55 seconds per activation)
⦁Surprise Attack is now part of the base ability. Damage buff changed from all damage to close damage (like Close Quarters Killzone). Duration of the buff changed from "5s when leaving stealth" to "while stealthed and for 8 seconds after leaving stealth" so the first attack also gains the bonus (unless it already works like that, its still an important distinction for another reason which will come up in a bit)
⦁Surprise attack's damage bonus is replaced with 100% crit chance for the first attack while stealthed. 20% increased crit chance and crit damage while stealthed and for 8 seconds after leaving stealth
Complete rework of Low Profile:
⦁Reduces duration of stealth from 10s->5s (uptime is now 5/50 seconds per activation, or exactly 10% uptime)
⦁Buffs will not linger after leaving stealth with this modifier (close damage and movement speed buffs from base ability, crit damage and chance buffs from Surprise Attack will all immediately end as soon as you leave stealth)
⦁Low Profile and Hunter's Resolve are now mutually exclusive
⦁Removed threat reduction effect
⦁Attacking will no longer end the duration of stealth
⦁(Unsure) Overwatch may need to be replaced due to how poweful having two charges of stealth with the new low profile would be, unless maybe the increased cooldown downside does end up being enough to balance it out (with the uptime for each activation being 5/65 seconds or ~7.5%)

[wind wind]

Youre not @dusk timber

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-ban-pubg-lite-banned-rainbow-gif-16212382

[pale prairie]

[dusk timber]

ok there we go

[ripe obsidian]

Make Ex Stance reload your gun.

[pale prairie]

So that just means I go to zealot chat IE horny jail right?

[wind wind]

The fact that ogryn has this but Veteran doesnt

[pale prairie]

Temporary unlimited clip?

[ripe obsidian]

Tbh I would be fine with Vet getting an endless clip for like 3-5 seconds, so long as it can't be extended with the rest of the ability

Endless clip for the duration would be fine on some guns, but it would be super borked on, like, bolter

[pale prairie]

The rumbler ducks up my sound cues

[wind wind]

Am i reading this wrong or is there a contradiction in there about leaving stealth when attacking?

[ripe obsidian]

IAG with endless clip? Sure. Bolter? Aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh.

[dusk timber]

thats actually something you can get in mortis trial

[wind wind]

The rumbler ducks up everything while your frames scream lmao

[pale prairie]

I wonder if they are using that place to quietly test buffs

[wind wind]

[ripe obsidian]

Some Mortis abilities should be in the regular game. Looking at you, 10x brain burst.

[pale prairie]

Just looking at numbers

[deft stump]

Inf plasma...

[pale prairie]

Dear fucking god please

[dusk timber]

everything under the low profile rework is part of low profile

[deft stump]

Where smoke shocks?

[dusk timber]

except the last bit

[ripe obsidian]

Put the 10x burst on EP.

[pale prairie]

I don’t know what that means hahahaha

[pale prairie]

Oh shit

[ripe obsidian]

I think one of Vet's buffs is grenades having random effects. So smoke can get zappy

[pale prairie]

That would be crazy. Just swarm of bees and lightning

[pale prairie]

That would be awesome

Like randomly smoke grenades get a damage dot

[deft stump]

No, a major indulgence is smoke bombs shock anything in the AoE.

Lasts the whole duration.

[ripe obsidian]

Neat. I am not sure what the random effects one is, then. I know it exists

[pale prairie]

That is super cool. Better shock mine

[deft stump]

30 secs funni.

[tulip kettle]

i had grenades make bubble shields

that was funny

[deft stump]

Twinned? Extra funni.

[pale prairie]

That’s amazing

[deft stump]

Is the most OP thing.

IF you pull it.

Otherwise sad.

[pale prairie]

Gacha strikes again

Dockets can be used to reroll

Take our money

[deft stump]

Or just 3 rerolls a match.

[pale prairie]

Karien will not be parted from precious shinies

[deft stump]

I will hoard all shinies.

Like a dwagyn.

[pale prairie]

I find this delightfully charming

[deft stump]

Rawr!

[dusk timber]

so have you finished reading it

[inland ice]

would be beautiful

bb feels too niche sometimes

maybe skissue on my part

I love kinetic flayer tho

i think the cooldown on it should be removed

[deft stump]

It needs a CD, but not one that long. A fair one would be the time it takes to manually BB+1 sec.

[tulip kettle]

BB really needs reworking imo

it should 1 hit everything non boss

and have variable charge up time depending on the mass of the enemy targeted

[ripe obsidian]

Mortis Trials would be more interesting if it were... not round-based. And if it was progressing through a procedurally generated map. And if half the indulgences weren't garbage and/or super dependent on very specific other indulgences and loads of luck.

And if it were just Chaos Wastes, but in 40k. Space Hulk has drifted out of the Warp, covered in weird goopy stuff, go forth rejects and scavenge.

[inland ice]

😲

[tulip kettle]

thats my take

[deft stump]

LOOT?

[tulip kettle]

i think second hive will be our real chaos wastes. maybe.

[inland ice]

heresy detected

[ripe obsidian]

Ogryn grenades are already coded to instakill certain enemies. BB should be the same for like everything below a mauler

[deft stump]

Maybe even a mauler.

[pale prairie]

I feel like havoc 40 combined with mortis trials could be fun. Have rotations of possible indulgences vs enemy modifiers

[inland ice]

yes idk why its so toothless without the high peril damage buff

[verbal thistle]

BB is a blitz, a grenade. Should only be helpful is rare situations

Which it does perform