psyker-class

[pale prairie]

Well if those are my only fucking choices

[plucky flax]

The longer a map goes the more impatient I get ngl

[acoustic jacinth]

Uninstall atp

[plucky flax]

Suffering

[hearty wolf]

I was using support build too

[pale prairie]

I do anxiety when I am like “ we’ve been in this room for 10 fucking minutes”

[hearty wolf]

Imagine if I was full damage

[quartz barn]

High bpm player

[nocturne dust]

Havoc has always been an endurance battle if you want to reliably clear (and aren't unholy cracked levels of skill)

[plucky flax]

My actual heart rate bpm is super low

Just cba with 45 mins plus grinds

[brazen compass]

Rampage exacerbates this so much

[pale prairie]

The run would have failed then lmao /s

[hearty wolf]

That or you coordinate with team and go brr

[nocturne dust]

Nonsense. I got a couple ten second breaks during that

[pale prairie]

Runs need a babysitter @hearty wolf

[acoustic jacinth]

<35 run or slurs in chat targeting everyone and Alt + F4

[hearty wolf]

Void gets plenty of breaks when muties smash his face against the floor 😭

[hearty wolf]

Am I a baby sitter?!

[nocturne dust]

I dodge muties by being grabbed by them and being thrown out of the charge of the secondary muties

[pale prairie]

That run clearly!

Support build topping damage haha

[ripe obsidian]

If the scaling is good. It appears to be, but the math is fuzzy

[nocturne dust]

Arby """"""""Support""""""" build

[pale prairie]

Honestly I have repositioned with a mutie before

[pale prairie]

See that wasn’t clear to me

[nocturne dust]

Also, Boss sacrificed himself to save me 🥺

[hearty wolf]

I was BUFFING everyone's damage, providing toughness and dr and revive speed for those needed resses 😭

[nocturne dust]

I mean, to be fair, I think everyone qualifies as support then

[pale prairie]

Emotional support

[nocturne dust]

Both psykers applying brittleness and shields, Ogryn drawing aggro

[pale prairie]

Okay if everybody was support build that explains the run being so long hahaha

[white valley]

Ogryn support: kills shit

[ripe obsidian]

It looks like RMB does have a finesse curve. Just not as good as LMB.

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/f23235d2547a50adf1ad1cf6bdcb1af2f2a10333/scripts/settings/equipment/weapon_templates/force_staffs/settings_templates/force_staff_damage_profile_templates.lua#L909

[hearty wolf]

Too bad the brittle isn't too good for the A shock maul. Bleed already has good adms against unyielding too doesn't it? 0.7 iirc?

[nocturne dust]

Ape together strong 💪

[pale prairie]

That’s my Ogryn build. Support by killing everything. Also has taunt

[hearty wolf]

Holy fuck those electrocution ticks

159?

[pale prairie]

“Alright guys who brought damage………anybody?”

[nocturne dust]

Dog teeth are sharp

[hearty wolf]

Either way, that was v.fun playing together. Hopefully lag wasn't too bad

[white valley]

Dog electrocution talent is fuckbusted

[hearty wolf]

I've somehow come full circle and decided I prefer that pacing compared to how fast we would otherwise go I think

[nocturne dust]

Lag was back to """normal""" for me.

[white valley]

Basically single handedly doubles dog dps while stunning enemies on top

[hearty wolf]

@strong gulch oh do you have the scoreboard with syllo's fix?

[pale prairie]

It is such a good “get out jail free” card

[nocturne dust]

Muties and Hounds crying

[pale prairie]

They would be if their jaws weren’t locked by millions of volts

[white valley]

Absurd that it stunlocks crushers without you having to do anything

[pale prairie]

Just add it to the pile of stuff arbie can do

We are all just side characters in their story 😭

[nocturne dust]

Altho, dog did betray me earlier today by bouncing a burster into me.

[pale prairie]

One of the joys of the event is that arbies die like any mortal to barrel/burster tosses

[white valley]

Nah I am the real main character, my Beloved said so, maybe I should dream arbitrators away

[pale prairie]

So beautiful

[tulip kettle]

i dont know the math around it, but i know that the max 30% finesse dmg gained during scriers applied during WU isnt as much as the flat dmg from scriers

[hearty wolf]

I'm surprised I managed to stay awake during all of that

[tulip kettle]

aka, you do more dmg on activating scriers than spending 30 secs in scriers and then attacking at the end

[pale prairie]

Did not know that

[tulip kettle]

this is for EK RMB specifically

[pale prairie]

Ahhhhh

[tulip kettle]

and i know this only from trying to work out how to reliably 2 shot bulwarks with it

[ripe obsidian]

The math is fuzzy for crits and finesse stuff.

[tulip kettle]

your EK will do more if scriers is active than if you spent 30 secs in scriers and it has ended, thats all i know

and there in is the problem with the EK SG build

yeah sure you have 100% uptime on 100% peril casting

but you spend very little time actually in scriers

[hearty wolf]

That's why the answer is to reroll to Vet and use infiltrate

[strong gulch]

no

[hearty wolf]

I see.

I wonder how much damage dog bomb did

Oh well. I will get good sleep today and we will continue real win streak tomorrrow

Purple red couldn't stop us

[strong gulch]

I got stopped.

skill issue

[white valley]

Shouldn't that almost always be the case?

Finesse, while good, is multiplicative with your weapon's inherent finesse modifier

[hearty wolf]

No only temporarily

[nocturne dust]

But it is funny, so it's cool in my book

[hearty wolf]

it doesn't count

[white valley]

So it is worse than people assume, it's why crit damage and weakspot damage are widely considered terrible

[hearty wolf]

MMM EK weakspots

yesyes

[white valley]

30% more finesse does not increase your damage on crits and weakspots by 30%, it increases the bonus you get on crits and weakspots by 30%

[gray juniper]

Ofc I agree that’s actually bullshit, but what stands out is how the guy or people on all the classes don’t bother to aim at all

Throughout the video none of them aim. In the veteran portion you see the guy just blasting anywhere in from of him

[tulip kettle]

yeah for sure, thats the point i was making

finesse dmg on EK RMB is not very good

[pale prairie]

Like I said the guy started with arbites first

Shotgun go boom

[gray juniper]

Yea seems so lmao

[strong gulch]

That short the when EK RMB could hit weakspots but it was an overall nerf. Also it took like 7 or 9 fully charged EK RMBs to kill a regular crusher.

[tulip kettle]

i think it still does take 6+ depending on crit luck without + cara

[strong gulch]

6 < 9

[tulip kettle]

that is true

[strong gulch]

I hope EK gets a buff.

[tulip kettle]

and is also why i say EK will never be good vs crushers 🙃

[strong gulch]

Like for real and not as a joke.

[hearty wolf]

But it has infinite ammo!

[tulip kettle]

the problem is the balancing right, because it also stuns

[hearty wolf]

Just turn EK into a railgun

[tulip kettle]

so if it does really good dmg but also CC's and has infinite ammo it just, why play anything else

[hearty wolf]

Activate siege mode

Put down the staff

3 big boom

Time to reload staff

[strong gulch]

Also attacks fast and has higher mobility.

Even just slight better crusher kill times would be really nice. Like 1 fewer casts and just slightly better maniac too.

[hearty wolf]

Or make the staff special do something

Bonk

charge to 100%

THUNDERSTRIKE

[tulip kettle]

rework voidblast to work like coruscation

and change the special to voidblast but without the additional AOE or procs

[gray juniper]

Nah I agree make to do high straight line damage

[tulip kettle]

you just slam it into the ground and knock everything within like 2m away from you with low dmg

for all staffs

i think that would be great

[gray juniper]

Id like that personally

[hearty wolf]

New type of psyker

instead of smykers

smashyers

slammyers

[wispy bay]

I just turned my head away and you already turn degenerate traitor. Unbelievable.

[radiant frigate]

there is no treason in loving the emperor

[gray juniper]

Nah it would be zealot/vet players switching over to perform the longest most tedious clutches just to make other people watch

[radiant frigate]

bonkers

[tulip kettle]

felinids arent tolerated in the wider imperium and every depiction you have ever seen of them is non canon

jus sayin

[hearty wolf]

I'll bonk you

[radiant frigate]

Yes

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/your-waifu-is-not-real-animu-anime-gif-15741622

[wispy bay]

Slapker when? Make Orgryn obsolete again please.

[acoustic jacinth]

This. Felinids are a nothingburger made popular by gonner short form content 40k on social media

[pale prairie]

What if they added them but only had ugly models? Like the first sonic movie version

[acoustic jacinth]

[frail escarp]

well well well, indeed applied to a grp with a psyker and it was one of the smoothest runs i had with 2 bubbles

😄

[pale prairie]

See I have had runs with all psyker that were smooth as fuck

[frail escarp]

to be fair other psyker was stopping hordes with smite and man that thing is op 😄

[pale prairie]

Nobody hates on double bubble

[frail escarp]

true

gives you a lot more safe space to move around in

[pale prairie]

Eh it’s okay but really he should be killing horde not just stunning it hahaha

[frail escarp]

i need to make a smite, elektro staff build so i can fijll like that when the other guy has inferno

well

i mean we were cornered right? so if he didnt stun we'd be fighting 20 crushers in our faces

[tulip kettle]

smiter, no smiting!

[pale prairie]

You played modifiers where they can’t be CCed?

[tulip kettle]

of course not

[frail escarp]

no

[pale prairie]

Yeaaaaaa

[frail escarp]

then it wouldnt have worked so well i htink 😄

[pale prairie]

Yeah it’s selectively useful

[frail escarp]

for sure, i also dont like ppl spamming it in aurics but in havoc 40 with crusherwaves and getting into a bad position it saves lives 😄

[hearty wolf]

Nuncio is active smite

It's what chorus wishes it could be

Vet shout spiral

[radiant frigate]

DOUBLE!
WIZARD!

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/rocking-hard-guitar-metal-hard-headbanging-gif-15461394

[frail escarp]

aww come on 😄

[upper sun]

tbh

[hearty wolf]

Shock mines are equally as bad

[upper sun]

i still hate mines

and dog stuns are garbage too

[hearty wolf]

Based clad opinion?

Lasted all of 2 seconds nvm

[upper sun]

you only get them because they regenerate and still give you a dog

tell me you dont like arby grenades more

[hearty wolf]

I like them more but shock dog does fuck tons of damage and it's v.good cc

[tulip kettle]

arby nades are pretty much what kraks wish they were

[upper sun]

dude theyre so peak with lethal prox

sniper i cant see? grenade

wall of armor? grenade

pox burster than refuses to pus or die? grenade

[tulip kettle]

Cspawn grab? believe it or not, grenade

i can honestly say i have never felt like smite would have saved a run in H40

[upper sun]

ye thats because we have red and purple now

[tulip kettle]

if i need to stop burning everything and proccing uncanny to smite, we are never killing anything

[hearty wolf]

Why are you running inferno with smite tho

[tulip kettle]

thats even worse

[ripe obsidian]

I figured out the finesse weakspot math.

[tulip kettle]

you are 100% dying to the crusher train

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/do-tell-tell-me-more-sips-tea-gif-22861578

but, there is no weakspots on EK rmb

https://tenor.com/view/why-monkey-what-huh-confused-gif-3006908007927048834

[ripe obsidian]

LMB on EK is +120% damage on unarmored and +90% elsewhere. Because...

There is a default curve with 5 points:
0
0.3
0.6
0.8
1

When looking at the weakspot damage, LMB has a default 0.5 finesse boost for everything except unarmored, which is 0.75. And it has a 1.5x base multiplier.

0.5 on the curve equates to 0.6, and 0.75 is 0.8. You then multiply those values by 1.5 to get the damage mod per armor type.

1.5 * 0.8 = 1.2
1.5 * 0.6 = 0.9

So 138 base damage becomes 303.6 on unarmored and 262.2 on flak on weakspot.

Why it's done this way, I do not know.

But the numbers seem correct across the attack types I have tried.

Factoring crit in makes it ???

I don't know that part.

[tired estuary]

nah I call human resources when I see shonk mine too

[lapis fern]

is the Not Even Close penance bugged for psyker? ive killed several hounds that were mid-pounce on me

[ripe obsidian]

303.6 rounds up to 304

Fatshark hates decimals

[tulip kettle]

yup indeed

[zealous wing]

killed, or pushed? and, pushed with what?

[tulip kettle]

im verifying that your math lines up with what they display in game

but now explain this

[zealous wing]

or is that the bb one

[patent steeple]

I guess Fatshark thinks whole numbers look better on the chart?

[tulip kettle]

when rmb cant weakspot

[lapis fern]

killed with the brain rupture blitz. never pushed it mid-animation

[zealous wing]

it wasnt bugged for me, but, idk

how ive done it was charge it and activate once the hound pounces

[tulip kettle]

and, how do i use this information to work out the bonus gained from +30% finesse dmg on an rmb attack

[zealous wing]

worked fine

[zinc phoenix]

Is Sib in here?

Who goes by sib, I feel like I’ve seen someone post as that

[tulip kettle]

we are all siblings here, sibling

[lapis fern]

yeah thats what ive been doing most of the time. once i hear the hound noise i charge it until i see one and once it jumps i let go. idk if im somehow doing it early since i use it the second it jumps and maybe it doesnt like that

[ornate hamlet]

I cannot make this shit up,i just spend 20 mins in a room cuz pc ppl refuse to do the objective

Kill me

https://tenor.com/view/tv-show-gun-to-mouth-i-wanna-die-kill-me-now-gif-19697205

[lapis fern]

has happend to me in mortis trials where people dont do obj and just get infinite hoard and sometimes infinite bosses

[zealous wing]

yeah

[patent steeple]

simple (aka, at least very wrong) answer: add 30% percent to the listed crit value

Fatshark code-knowledgeable (aka, the correct) answer: insert extremely complex math here

[tulip kettle]

100% its not that lol

[ripe obsidian]

The math exists for it to hit a weakspot. It just can't.

It's a 30% damage increase tho

[zealous wing]

here comes six with the fucking maths

[ripe obsidian]

I can find out.

[pale prairie]

Oh hey you must have been in @hearty wolf’s game that was 57 minutes long

[patent steeple]

I mean, I guess if the code for damage calculation percentages wasn't so complex (aka, if it was made by me, and so also stupid, because everything would either be simple addition, subtraction or multiplication, and almost all code values would be either a full number or just full number + 0.5), you could just total up the percentages of each damage buff, and use a calculator app to see how much would the crit value be when increased by the total percentage total...

sadly for easier damage calc, I don't work at Fatshark, and don't even want to.

[white valley]

If your inherent finesse with a weapon is 0.5, and you add 30% more, then you should get 0.5 x 1.3 which is 0.65

[tulip kettle]

damage calcs are in the graphic i posted

[white valley]

Meaning a weapon that does 50% more damage on a crit, with 30% finesse from SG, would deal 65% more on a crit

[pale prairie]

I dunno man. Bar seems kind of low for making coherent code, having patches that don’t kill stuff, and their vacation and release schedule are so fucking uncrunchy

[hearty wolf]

I'm still in the game

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/im-sorry-you-said-what-colin-jost-saturday-night-live-pardon-me-could-you-repeat-that-gif-21131485

[patent steeple]

I mean, there is also the problem of I only know how to code in C#, and even then its only with Unity...

and DT is in Unreal, last time I checked...

[ripe obsidian]

Finesse_modifier_bonus appears to be additive. So it's maybe just +30% to any finesse damage you deal.

Yeah, it's just added in.

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/f23235d2547a50adf1ad1cf6bdcb1af2f2a10333/scripts/utilities/attack/damage_calculation.lua#L613

[ripe obsidian]

0.5 is 0.6

Because that 0.5 corresponds to a curve where 0.5 is 0.6

[white valley]

that sounds cracked?

[white valley]

wha

[jovial juniper]

Why's it called oven when you put in the hot food out of the cold

[ripe obsidian]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/f23235d2547a50adf1ad1cf6bdcb1af2f2a10333/scripts/settings/damage/power_level_settings.lua#L123

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/f23235d2547a50adf1ad1cf6bdcb1af2f2a10333/scripts/settings/equipment/weapon_templates/force_staffs/settings_templates/force_staff_damage_profile_templates.lua#L87

[white valley]

Respectfully, I'm not reading that

[ripe obsidian]

0.75 is 3/4 of the curve, which is 0.8

0.5 is half, which is 0.6

[patent steeple]

ok, so with that logic, the curve's "full" value would be 1.2? (half of 1.2 is 0.6)

[ripe obsidian]

The curve ends at 1

1 is 1

0 is 0

[white valley]

Okay but like how does that change my calculation

[ripe obsidian]

0.25 is 0.3
0.5 is 0.6
0.75 is 0.8

[ripe obsidian]

I am figuring that out.

This is weird math and I suck at math to begin with

[patent steeple]

sooo... why is half 0.6 and not 0.5, then...?

fatshark and their jank math smh

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-what-it-is-it-is-eet-eet-iz-iz-gif-17896182

[hearty wolf]

You wouldn't get it

Clutching takes its toll

The time tax 😭

[pale prairie]

I dunno this feels like edging more than clutching

[hearty wolf]

And that's why I bust at the endd

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/true-correct-dwight-schrute-rainn-wilson-right-gif-23822659

[ripe obsidian]

I don't even know why the curve exists

[hearty wolf]

But in the end

It was all about spending time with Void

I trapped him for an entire hour and forced him to clutch with me

Me: Bonking the nurgle while it vomits at me and there's armour all around me

I look behind me

Void: In the next State getting slammed to death by a mutie

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/friendship-always-wins-happy-friendship-day-friendship-day-friendshipday-friendship-gif-514011817458865227

[patent steeple]

honestly, a perfectly fair and reasonable response, imo.

idk if Fatshark are secretly a Tzeentch cult or something, but they might as well be when they make this complex math for something I could potentially do in a simpler, more stupid way... (everything would be flat values with no curve calculation, and like I said at one point, every calculation would be just simple addition, multiplication, or subtraction, and most of it would be done with integers or maybe floating variables in multiples of 0.5...)

I am no expert in programming, far from it, but even I recognize a way to make math code that doesn't cause anything close to a headache when trying to understand it.

Meanwhile, the math coders at Fatshark: insert the Spongebob gif of Patrick saying "The inner machinations of my mind are an enigma." here

[ripe obsidian]

It's like inverse tech debt. Making things too complicated which breaks things later

My guess is they wanted to make a modular system that you can plug a set of standard numbers into in order to get different outcomes

A sort of mad libs of weapon stats

Instead of hardcoding stats into every weapon

Note: I work in IT, not software. My coding skills are rudimentary at best

[upper sun]

imma be real i really think fatshark has cheat sheets of all their coding bullshit somewhere

[ripe obsidian]

Well, yes

[fathom adder]

I want to say it's simple obscurantism, remember when they tried to show weapon stats as just bars with no numbers

[ripe obsidian]

That's standard documentation

[upper sun]

they prolly have curves off set and cross multiply to get actual values because everything is based off templates that they have to use

[ripe obsidian]

That is what I said. D:

[upper sun]

i cant read

[patent steeple]

funny thing is, I have done that in C# very easily (I just code a public variable so I can change it from Unity's Inspector tab, and code that flat variable's name into the spot where I would otherwise hard code a value into), but I guess Unreal (or whatever engine DT is built on) is a lot more complex...

[ripe obsidian]

Fatshark has big ideas, and I appreciate the passion they must have for making a detailed combat system. But complicated doesn't mean better.

[ripe obsidian]

Custom engine

I think they share it with Arrowhead

[upper sun]

they have different forks

SPEAKING OF FORKS

night caps anyone?

[zealous wing]

if damnation is fine you could probably join @tulip kettle and i

we just chillin

[tulip kettle]

always with u bby boy

[zealous wing]

damnation is like the perfect blend of chill and combat i didnt know i needed

just enough to keep me on my toes but not overwhelming as all hell

[tulip kettle]

i get a bit carried away in it

[zealous wing]

(ive never done damnation except event)

[tulip kettle]

the zoom takes me

then i turn around and yall are 3 rooms behind cleaning

[zealous wing]

well i kept doubling back to keep them alive tbh xD

[tulip kettle]

dont 🙂

https://tenor.com/view/ivan-drago-rocky-mad-boxing-gif-12740361343431073274

[zealous wing]

if they die, and a CO spawns, we have less bait

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/survival-of-the-fittest-joaquin-dean-ruff-ryders-law-of-the-strongest-survival-of-the-strongest-gif-18240459

[nocturne dust]

Clad isn't wrong

Dog Shock kinda doodoo

Mostly cuz it's super annoying to use.

[ripe obsidian]

Hm.

Hmmmmm.

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-think-thinking-onion-knight-gif-17273180

[ripe obsidian]

EK's finesse multiplier is in the wrong place.

I think.

        default_target = {
            boost_curve = PowerLevelSettings.boost_curves.default,
        },
        boost_curve_multiplier_finesse = damage_lerp_values.lerp_1,
    },

I am pretty sure this should be inside the inner brackets. Like this:

targets = {
        default_target = {
            boost_curve_multiplier_finesse = 1.5,
            boost_curve = PowerLevelSettings.boost_curves.default,
            finesse_boost = {
                [armor_types.unarmored] = 0.75,
            },
        },
    },

Which is why the EK RMB weakspot shows 858 damage.

0.5 becomes 0.6 on the curve, and then the default curve multiplier is 0.5. So 0.5 * 0.6 = 0.3, and 660 * 1.3 = 858.

Not that the RMB can do weakspot damage, but

It might actually impact crit damage.

[strong gulch]

still talking code

[upper sun]

2 late 😭

double clutch

team died twice

[pale prairie]

13 deaths yikes

[raven mountain]

But did any of them take nearly 5k damage?

[upper sun]

prolly around that

@hearty wolf SO how do you want you 6gb of clad clutching

[brazen compass]

Monthly installments

[zealous wing]

lmao i peek over in arby chat and they want one of the weapons buffed

[upper sun]

which

[zealous wing]

4 hits to a crusher is apparently not enough for them

uh looked like they were talking mk6 of the shield and maul

though i cannot vouch for which difficulty it was in, it was probably damn/auric, because arby is way too broken

[strong gulch]

meanwhile EK dreams of 4 tapping crushers as a baseline

[ripe obsidian]

I think EK crits are doing a lot less damage than they should.

[zealous wing]

like genuinely though, if oggy are supposed to be tanky, psykers are glass cannon powerhouse, vets are specialist targeters/snipers, zealots are melee "clear that fucking mess up please", what would an arby special even be. currently its got literally shit from all 4 classes, but thinking that makes arby interesting to play from a skill standpoint is missing.

human sized character with a shield like a vet alt, could be cool, if they were able to tag more enemies at once that would also be nice, etc, but i cant logically think of what they COULD have been instead

[ripe obsidian]

Like, 200-400 less, depending on the enemy.

[zealous wing]

and yet, they want more

we will be drinking their tears for months whenever arby gets the bonk

[strong gulch]

This fecker has not had any HP curios yet. Maybe they don't start appearing until later levels? (am level 1)

[gray juniper]

Yea the store and melk gimp you hard until you reach level 30

[strong gulch]

Ye but all other types of curios have appeared at least once.

[zealous wing]

you could try gambling

[gray juniper]

That’s strange

[strong gulch]

I don't mean low ranked hp, I mean NO hp ones have popped up.

[gray juniper]

I’m late into the game and I’ve still only lucked to one 17% toughness curio. I’m using a 16% one that I’ve found recently with it

[edgy smelt]

need to gamble more with melk i guess

[jovial juniper]

It's not

💀

In a world where you one shot crushers

4 isn't good

[gray juniper]

It kind of fits with the storyline for the arbites to be more proficient or stronger in a way. Game wise it’s not exactly as fun to see for said reasons and when it comes to clearing a horde there’s a monotonous feel to it also

[strong gulch]

I could, but I have no way of knowing what I get because I can't access the curio section of my inventory until level 8.

[gray juniper]

The best use for a team stance I kind find from playing Arby is smashing the armor for everyone else and throwing mines for chaff from the rear

[strong gulch]

I'm doing the opposite. I want the worst.

[gray juniper]

You’ve waiting too late it seems

[strong gulch]

I got like +1 stam curios. I'm doing great.

[jovial juniper]

Don't worry though

"Arby's shield is stagger"

Or some Along those lines

2k damage with 6 martyrdom, Duelist and fotf

[zealous wing]

well yeah but i mean barebone basics

every class has a starting idea of what they're mainly doing

people can do different things for sure, but they have something their tree would do far better at than another class trying to imitate that

[zinc phoenix]

I find the best thing to do is walk forward beating everything to death

My team usually finds everything being dead helpful

[hearty wolf]

Email

[hearty wolf]

Agree it can be unreliable at times and it's not always the easiest to maximise usage

I don't think that makes it bad though

All you need is one human sized target for dog to pounce on and then you can begin the fireworks

[zinc phoenix]

Dog shock is amazing

Pause fight for a little bit so I can beat everything to death and it recharges while not costing my dog? Fuck yes

[hearty wolf]

I think the only thing I dislike it is the lag time between pressing the button and it activating.

It's usually not a problem but in high ping situations, it can be pretty catastrophic

[zinc phoenix]

Fair

[long wharf]

then you get good at timing it so it goes off precisely mid-jump in the middle of the group

[hearty wolf]

Is there a way to set a hot key for dog to attack specifically?

Rather than double pinging?

[zinc phoenix]

I just don’t ping dog most of the time

[long wharf]

you can either use my mod or the Dog Whistle mod

my mod enables ping-and-hold to order dog attack

[hearty wolf]

I like making dog pounce because it forces the bleed stacks. It would be nice to just make it consistently pick between two targets or actually kill something that moved out of LoS

[long wharf]

Dog Whistle implements separate keybind among other things

[hearty wolf]

Ooooo

Is it on nexus?

[long wharf]

yep

[hearty wolf]

I will investigate

[long wharf]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/561

I also have another mod that recolors dog attack targets to match player color

[gray juniper]

This is true. Arby has two directions: in place holding everything in place or forward in a straight line forever

[zinc phoenix]

It’s too bad we can’t put a dog head on an arbie

[strong gulch]

There is an option for single or double ping. I know they fixed soemthing with it. Check if you can ping regularly on other classes with the option selected. Not a mod btw.

[upper sun]

what if you need to use it twice in the same area

the dog usually fucks off after doing something

thats my main issue with it

[ripe obsidian]

EK's LMB crits are weaker than default if your crit bonus is below 50

Default bonus is 25%

Same LMB on Voidstrike and Voidblast

I have also made a bug report about EK's RMBs not critting properly.

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/incorrect-finesse-multiplier-on-electrokinetic-staff/112098

[pale prairie]

Wait for real? Like the damage on RMB crits is not happening or lower than expected?

[ripe obsidian]

It's lower than expected

By a lot, actually

[pale prairie]

Ah I see I can just read your post apologies hahaha

[ripe obsidian]

Like 23% lower than it should be

[zealous wing]

ok but imagine

dual wielding pistols of some form, or blades, etc

would it work better? probably not, but it would be FUN

that would indeed make me happy

[pale prairie]

Damn this has to have been in place for so long though and everybody I am sure is just assuming the lower than normal damage on crits is part of the variable damage itself

[ripe obsidian]

The random damage is in there, too.

But it's not a bug

In this case it's just crits being garbage

A crit should be ~200% base damage with EK. But it's doing ~160% base damage instead

[pale prairie]

I am aware I am saying the random damage probably disguised the nerfed damage on crits

[ripe obsidian]

It is possible

I know not

[pale prairie]

Hmmmmm wonder if it’s more worth using now

I mean if the crits get fixed

[ripe obsidian]

If they fix the bug, it would make EK better for sure

I mean, the weapon has a +21% crit chance built in, not to mention Warp Nexus and whatever Psyker's base crit is

[pale prairie]

Yeah like probably around 50% crit chance

[ripe obsidian]

I want to know if it's a bug with the crit chance visualizer mod that makes the 21% crit vanish when charging RMB

Or if it's just weird code

Like this:

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/f23235d2547a50adf1ad1cf6bdcb1af2f2a10333/scripts/settings/equipment/weapon_templates/force_staffs/forcestaff_p3_m1.lua#L1345

It looks like, maybe, it doesn't apply to action_charge, so when you're doing it, it doesn't actually give you crit chance

What's another weapon with crit bonus? I can compare

[pale prairie]

So are we sure that RMB isn’t designed not to crit?

[ripe obsidian]

It has action_charge and action_shoot_charged. The latter specifically can crit

[modest perch]

does it still not benefit from surge ?

[jovial juniper]

Zarona revolver?

Tactical Axe?

Uh

[ripe obsidian]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/f23235d2547a50adf1ad1cf6bdcb1af2f2a10333/scripts/settings/equipment/weapon_templates/force_staffs/forcestaff_p3_m1.lua#L483

[jovial juniper]

I don't remember others

[ripe obsidian]

RMB is not a projectile and surge is coded only to duplicate projectiles

[ripe obsidian]

Thank you

[humble bobcat]

anyone else running mods having their game crash everyttime u try to select character?

since the update

[pale prairie]

You mean today’s patch?

[humble bobcat]

ye

[pale prairie]

I haven’t booted up yet but I’ll try and report back

I am assuming you checked for mod updates already?

[ripe obsidian]

Okay, the mod does the same thing for Zarona and Taxe. I assume the way it's coded means that you don't get the crit boost unless you're performing a specific action, namely attacking

[strong gulch]

If you get a crash from a mod, the popup should tell you what it's from. I have a lot of mods and oddly did not have crashing issues today from them. They are up to date for me.

[pale prairie]

Did you have to update anything since today’s patch?

[strong gulch]

I checked and nothing had an update for the patch. Idk if it has changed now tho.

[strong gulch]

Feck sorry.
I did NOT have an update.
I'm mad at typing.

Legitimately almost failed typing class.

[static vessel]

combat knife psyker yay or nay

I like it a lot on zealot

feels fun to use

[nocturne dust]

Yay

It works, it's especially useful as a mobility tool for staffker

[static vessel]

Time to hunt for dump stats...

[nocturne dust]

See pins

[static vessel]

yeah yeah 60 mob

[nocturne dust]

🎵 Tale as old as time 🎵

[static vessel]

There's no other dumpstat, is there?

[nocturne dust]

If you want max mobility, you dump pen and then take uncanny strike

I mean, you take uncanny anyway

but most don't do that, cuz it's a very small amount of speed you're gaining in exchange for quite a bit of damage

[static vessel]

Yep

Can't wait to teach my son the value of gambling

[dull scroll]

knife is nice, literally just finished a 40 with it, it's a top tier psyker weapon, great mobility and boss dmg, very messy special killing compared to ds and force swords though

[radiant frigate]

knife is great unless you intend to use it as a weapon

[nocturne dust]

I mean, compared to most psyker melee, knife is pretty cool

Still waiting for Chaxe buffs

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-gif-8966308824997581062

[radiant frigate]

for all other purposes it's great

moral support while running? excellent

[pale prairie]

“This weapon is the best pair of shoes I have ever had”

[radiant frigate]

as a paperweight? unrivaled

[pale prairie]

I mean my morale rises everytime I punch someone

[nocturne dust]

Force Knife wheeeeeeen

[radiant frigate]

as a london cosplay prop? irreplaceable

[dull scroll]

the uncanny bleed knife actually has insane boss dmg
and also shits on crushers
problem is it's a short little knife and anything can happen at melee range 😒

[radiant frigate]

non-bleed knives are just "why"

[pale prairie]

What does this mean? Lots of knives there?

[nocturne dust]

What FGS does to a psyker's melee skills 😭

[radiant frigate]

unregistered butterknife crime

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/london-gif-19304239

London has a reputation

[dull scroll]

if you don't have bleed then the knife will just be straight up mid 😏

[radiant frigate]

no bleed on knife be like a dueling sword you snapped in half

[pale prairie]

What would be the difference between that and regular

[pale prairie]

Daaaaaamn

[radiant frigate]

FORCE PUNCH

[pale prairie]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[zealous wing]

poxburster safe punching

hmmmm

[static vessel]

Can someone tell me how the warp fire staff works

not the same as the flamer yeah?

[radiant frigate]

yes it's a flamethrower

[zealous wing]

i do like the idea of using the warp to stab an enemy and make them explode if it dealt enough dmg

[static vessel]

AH.

caps

[radiant frigate]

difference is no reload and yes chargeup

[pale prairie]

You want dots things die from stacks

[nocturne dust]

MORE SPEED

MORE DAMAGE

[zealous wing]

more crit

[nocturne dust]

MORE RANGE

MORE DEFLECTOR

[pale prairie]

Sooooo it would just be a force sword

[dull scroll]

just remember, always min-cast RMB (cast as soon as you can, in small bursts) 👍

[nocturne dust]

Cooler force sword

Speed is important

[pale prairie]

Because of blaze away?

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/jacksepticeye-speed-gif-20515611

[pale prairie]

I mean fast force sword WOULD be different

[dull scroll]

yesss, also it gives you extra mobility and flexibility

[zinc phoenix]

When mettle runs out it feels like my guy’s batteries are dying

[static vessel]

Isn't itmore damage to full charge tho

[strong gulch]

Don't full charge infero. Yes you'll drop blazeaway stacks, but it's also generally not safe to do.

[dull scroll]

no lol, thankfully not

[static vessel]

But this is a staff....I don't get it

what is the mag here

the charge?

[strong gulch]

Charge time

[zealous wing]

tbh it IS worded stupidly and uses a bullet icon, they should've made an alt ver for staves

[strong gulch]

It's smol charge time tho. You'll get it to max even with small charge.

[dull scroll]

the big thing is if you keep on min-casting blaze away will never drop from max stack

[strong gulch]

Tool tips in this game are... lol

Yeah. You keep them as long as you cast.

Cast time, not charge time. Sry

[static vessel]

[strong gulch]

Small charge casts keep the stacks up between charges.

Long charges drop blazeaway stacks.

[sturdy reef]

small charges are better

since only the first hit can crit from inferno

and a crit means you proc 2 soulfire stacks

[ripe obsidian]

<45% of full charge maintains Blaze Away stacks

I believe damage per cast peaks at 45%, then drops sharply, then slowly climbs again. Not sure if 100% charge matches 45%. I can test it later, I suppose

[plucky flax]

Full charge is gud against monster cos the direct damage is stronk

[ripe obsidian]

Can someone here do me a favor?

In command prompt, type nslookup old.reddit.com 9.9.9.9

Super brief test showed ~1150 DPS with 100% charge and ~1020 DPS to a boss with 45% charge

[dull scroll]

if you really want to do optimal boss dmg uncanny melee will have to come into play
generally there's no point keep flaming a boss once it's 15 stacks unless there's other things around it

[ripe obsidian]

I don't know that uncanny helps very much with warpfire.

Especially compared with Blaze Away.

At least against Unyielding

Assuming these ADMs are accurate:

local burninating_warp_adm = {
    [armor_types.unarmored] = 1.5,
    [armor_types.armored] = 1.5,
    [armor_types.resistant] = 1.5,
    [armor_types.player] = 0.125,
    [armor_types.berserker] = 1,
    [armor_types.super_armor] = 0.1,
    [armor_types.disgustingly_resilient] = 1.25,
    [armor_types.void_shield] = 1,
}

You're getting 1/4 the uncanny you would otherwise, since anything over 100% ADM is reduced.

[dull scroll]

oh but it does help, just tested a bit earlier with a chaos spawn on havoc difficulty, just using inferno took 1:40 to burn it down, using melee while just using staff to keep stack at 15 it took just 1:00

[ripe obsidian]

I'm sure the melee damage adds a lot

[dull scroll]

of course, have to do melee dmg to keep up the 5 uncanny stacks

[ripe obsidian]

I'm just saying that the warpfire is likely doing less damage, and the melee damage likely outpaces the ranged damage you would get otherwise

[dull scroll]

I get you trying to crunch numbers from the theoretical side, but practically in game, facing down a single boss assuming nothing else is around, in that situation, it's either pure inferno'ing it down or inferno til 15 stacks then melee and occasionally switch to inferno to keep up the stacks
second option kills the boss a lot faster

[ripe obsidian]

I mean, I'm not arguing with your results

I'm just saying the soulblaze is doing less, but melee makes up for it and then some

[tulip kettle]

yeah thats my experience too six

and, i have unyielding on my melee but not on burga

so monster dps is higher, for me, by meleeing once at high stacks

and in the case of carapace obviously uncanny does an awful lot.

0.1 < 1

[nocturne dust]

well yes

Unsurprisingly, most melee weapons with uncanny do a hefty amount of boss damage

Slap uncanny onto dclaw and even it could start doing something to bosses

[ripe obsidian]

I am not disagreeing with anyone. =|

Just saying that a) uncanny is not as good as it appears if the weapon's ADM is >= 100 and b) melee is better for bosses.

[nocturne dust]

The bonus damage is not insignificant tho

[ripe obsidian]

(24 * 5) / 4 is still 30% damage, yes

[nocturne dust]

I'm not disagreeing with your not disagreeing either.

[radiant frigate]

it seems we all agree then

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/jedi-council-star-wars-council-has-spoken-gif-17632756

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-sitting-sad-gif-5861203910341047180

Anyway, I want a real boss killer staff. Gimme thammer in staff form. Lemme uber charge a big telepathic smack.

Plz Fatshark 🥺

[ornate hamlet]

I have no idea what you sayd

[tulip kettle]

oh @ripe obsidian reading back, yeah i see the same thing on taxe, when i swing it my crit chance jumps up on the hud. and on EK crit chance jumps up at the moment you actually cast. Can get crit rates of 70% + with SG

[ripe obsidian]

I think it's just a quirk of how it's coded

[nocturne dust]

Blue Fire good hurtie. Blue fire and stabby stick together better hurtie.

[ornate hamlet]

Ok boss man

[tulip kettle]

but only better hurtie if actually stabbing boss

stacking uncanny on trash is not as good vs bosses

still HIGHLY effective vs crushers

[white valley]

I ignore 90% of crushers

[ornate hamlet]

lol

[ripe obsidian]

I am trying to get GPT to help me make a mod so I can track my own peril over the course of a game and look at it afterward. It is not going well.

[white valley]

Not even joking, crushers are not my job (unless they're in my face)

[tulip kettle]

your dps on them is actually obscene with inferno + stacking uncanny

[white valley]

Sure but in most cases there are other enemies around

[buoyant maple]

ADM bonus caps out at 100% so uncanny IV is actually just 100% rending which is at best 25% damage bonus

[white valley]

Ragers, maulers, bulwarks, chaff

[ripe obsidian]

So Uncanny going to 120% is pointless?

[buoyant maple]

The sum of all ADM boosts cannot exceed 100%

If it exceeds, it uses 100%

And the damage conversion uses the cap of 100% if it’s exceeded

[ripe obsidian]

Fascinating.

I guess it just means you max out at 4 stacks instead of 5, assuming no other bonuses

[tulip kettle]

yeah so stack your fire to 15/16 on the crushers then bonk a few trash mobs and watch the crushers collapse

over a 10x dps increase onto crushers by stacking uncanny elsewhere

[white valley]

Yeah ofc, soulblaze has an adm of what, 0.05 on carapace?

[tulip kettle]

0.1

i think is what six posted earlier

[white valley]

So uncanny can set it to 1, which is 10x indeed

[tulip kettle]

yup

at which point crushers, i would say, are your job

when the crusher blob comes with purple ones mixed in, you are the only efficient way your team is likely to have to clear em

[white valley]

The humble ogryn in my team

[tulip kettle]

well yeah i agree i would rather an oggy just rumbler spam them

but, picking out the healing ones is just difficult

no need to if you just burn em all

[white valley]

Ogryns don't need rumblers to deal with crusher packs

[tulip kettle]

they really do when there are healing ones

if you have 12 crushers and the healing ones are at the back

issa problem

[white valley]

Not in my experience when playing Ogryn

[tulip kettle]

youre obviously just better

able to pinpoint target the pink ones in the sea of armour

[white valley]

Nah, it's just the bully club build that is goofy

[tulip kettle]

yeah youre sniping the pink ones out with a bully club

too pro for me

[white valley]

Okay

[plucky flax]

Anyone special event?

1 or 2 games to pass time in the morning

[hearty wolf]

Uncanny is funny

But just make your team apply brittle for you

Blazing pf + rending trauma ez gg

Brain off : ✅

[wind wind]

Why did i wake up with the sudden desire to go online and smite anything that comes into smite distance? 🤔🤣

[wraith sphinx]

something wicked this way comes... (a smyker)

[tulip kettle]

and another TS run

[radiant frigate]

GET OUT OF MY HEAD I WON'T DO IT

[cold geode]

Smite those that disbelieve, for they have turned from the light and fallen.

[tulip kettle]

smite those that believe in smite

[cold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-of-my-head-juggernaut-juggernaut-bitch-get-out-of-my-head-charles-gif-12588452417564580167

[wraith sphinx]

buzz buzz buzz buzz buzz...

[tulip kettle]

the voices!

[cold geode]

A logical argument must be dismissed with absolute conviction!

[wind wind]

BUZZ BUZZZ BUZZZZZ

IM NOT WICKED IM NOT

[white valley]

Aye, brittleness is way better than rending anyway

(Extra damage for the whole team)

[hearty wolf]

Definitely a sign to go back to sleep

[hearty wolf]

It doesn't sound as cool though

So -rep

[white valley]

Sounds very cool when the enemy is brittle + softened + skullcrushed + hard knocked

[marble crater]

Instead of doing all that you can also just kill the enemy

[hearty wolf]

Wtf Sut

That's cheating

[marble crater]

Secret strat, don't tell anyone else

[ornate hamlet]

[hearty wolf]

Imagine how much more satisfying this game could be if the buffs were indicated better

What if you had burst rotations with weapons 🤔

Special skill every 30s, 60s and 120s

[white valley]

That is what happens

[tulip kettle]

just met true lvl 750 arb

"i just really like the game bro"

my guy thats like 400 hrs + in 7 weeks

[marble crater]

Exp curios and spamming train

[cold geode]

I'm around 600 atm.

[tulip kettle]

see above

putting in significantly more hours than a full time job into this game every week is madness

[cold geode]

575, just took a look

[wind wind]

Sleep is optional - that Guy

[cold geode]

I shouldn't tell you my total play time then lol

[plucky flax]

I have 2.9k hours

And not that many afk or meatgrinder

[tulip kettle]

yeah but thas over like 3 years

1000 hours in a year is fine

500 in 7 weeks is not 😅

i mean it still is, obviously, each to their own, but thats just insanity to me and i play this game muchly

[deft stump]

It depends on the game.

[cold geode]

Lol ain't feel bad. I have way way more than that

[deft stump]

You don't want 8k+ hours on hell.

[plucky flax]

My record for a single game is gw2 with like 18k hours

[tulip kettle]

like this you mean?

[plucky flax]

Many afk hours there tho

All my teenage years grinding that game

[deft stump]

Expensive.

But is MMO.

You expect it.

Not 8k hours in toxicity.

[wraith sphinx]

summer break moment

[tulip kettle]

now the button is blue and says "install"

[cold geode]

Donno what my hours were in wow but I started working at blizzard while playing it. Lol

[tulip kettle]

and i will never click it.

[white valley]

Based

[obtuse dome]

How?!?😂 mine is mount and blade warband with like 2.5 k.

[plucky flax]

I was guild leader of a raid selling guild.

Made enough gold to buy multiple legendaries per week.

Even had people from NA server transferred to EU to buy challenge modes for bosses back then.

[obtuse dome]

I just cant wrap my head around 18 k hours thats a LOT😂

How long did you play it?

[marble crater]

18k hours

[potent echo]

1.5k a year for like 12 years seems about right

[plucky flax]

A lot of afk hours but i played for around 10 or 11 years

[serene stream]

best staff/blitz combo, opinions?

[marble crater]

For which difficulty?

[serene stream]

Assume viable for havok but not bleeding edge.

[tulip kettle]

its never smite

its usually BB with KF

inferno is best in havoc

[marble crater]

Voidblast/Inferno with Brain Burst with Flayer

[tulip kettle]

they all work in non havoc

[serene stream]

I run inferno, BB and bubble.

[marble crater]

Elektro is more fun in non havoc

[tulip kettle]

yes thats meta H40

[serene stream]

I play horde clear, armor melt, and cd/cover support.,

[tulip kettle]

but you are only really bringing BB for KF and snipers

[serene stream]

BB is for things like gunners/snipers. I also pick talent for reduced cd after blitz, so I can burst mid bosses.

[deft stump]

Easy even for certain games if you treat it like a second life.

[tulip kettle]

its nothing

BB does like 2% of a plogryn hp in H40

[serene stream]

Going against captains, i let the other players deal with him while I clear adds.

[tulip kettle]

yes, well done. this is standard psyker gameplay

[serene stream]

They got better kits for dealing with bosses than I do.

[tulip kettle]

indeed.

so, what is the question

am i running the correct meta kit that eveyrone runs? yes.

[serene stream]

just an affirmation that what I was doing alright. I was also curious on alternative options that could be viable.

[tulip kettle]

i mean everything is viable if youre good enough i guess

but its certainly gonna be worse

meta is meta for a reason

[serene stream]

It's always good to hear second opinions, when you've done inferno for so long you might want an alternative, for a break.

[hearty wolf]

Meta is swapping to Arb

[acoustic jacinth]

Voidblast to be honest

Absolutely nothing wrong with that

[potent echo]

If you want variety, play EP BB

[serene stream]

that the aoe circle or the bowling ball?

[acoustic jacinth]

Circle

It can generate sb

With the right blessing

Forgot the name

I need a bone'ead implant

[serene stream]

thanks for the imputs, gonna go nap =w=

[acoustic jacinth]

Have a good nap

[serene stream]

i am cat. naps are contractually obligated. /jk

[tulip kettle]

void blast can certainly work

but if you take it into garden toll youre gonna have a bad time and your team are gonna have a bad time

[hearty wolf]

Don't listen to his lies

We did voidblast into garden toll on Baross and it was great

[marble crater]

My team having a bad time means I have a good time, so it evens out to me just having a time

[hearty wolf]

@upper sun why can't you have takes like Sut

He's so sensible, unlike u 😡

[ornate hamlet]

Wtf, what game is that?

[hearty wolf]

Wtf the cat doing

[wraith sphinx]

Depression nap

[marble crater]

It's doing cat things, you wouldn't understand

[upper sun]

havoc bad

[dusk timber]

Eepy kimty

[white valley]

Havoc balance is bad for sure

[upper sun]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3omeDs9uXFI&list=RD3omeDs9uXFI&start_radio=1

[tulip kettle]

fifty. seven.

[hearty wolf]

You wouldn't get it because you can't clutch so you've never had a long game 😭

I get it, it's not for everyone. Some people prefer sprints compared to marathons ;)

[tulip kettle]

nah i just got 2 back to back 30 min TS runs instead -.-

[hearty wolf]

The real lesson to learn from this

Is Zealot is trash

[tulip kettle]

cant disagree

i think its porbably ok

im just trash at playing it

[hearty wolf]

Can't use chorus if dead is true but it's not like

You don't have influence on the game like you do on psyker

Your influence is pressing W with chorus and then whatever happens after relies on other people to act

It's kind of like playing a moba

There's a bigger macro element, less about your micro

[tulip kettle]

i think being able to hit stuff with throwing knives is probably pretty important

[deft stump]

Ever seen those wood pillows? Yeah.

[tulip kettle]

and i cant do that

[hearty wolf]

Throwing knives are sick but even if you are hitting all your knives, you're typically running flamer and I don't think that always works out the best because the thing that's going to kill your team is probably armour

Explosive throwing knives when

[tulip kettle]

you mean arb nades? 😄

why do they get impact detonations but kraks take 3 business days

[hearty wolf]

Kraks are just so bad lmao

When I was playing Mortis, it really hit me how shit they were

Can't use it for carapace half the time because they'll die too quick so they get reserved for armour packs that team can't kill or unyielding

And Ogryn is nuking bosses anyway

If not, even with 90% chance to duplicate nades and 50% for them to terminate

Germinate

They were good.

But why did it take 2 major nodes to make them good

[marble crater]

Don't let Karien see this, she will throw a Krak at you and you will explode next week

She found me, it's over...

[deft stump]

Why do you think I have kraks to waste here? They are useless in actual combat.

[dusk timber]

Ye they should explode near instantly

Would also help if kraks didnt have a lowered amount you can carry

[marble crater]

Halo figured sticky grenades out a long time ago

[hearty wolf]

Imagine crushers had gravity hammers

And the sword captains had energy swords

It would be so cooked

[marble crater]

Reapers are Hunters with Fuel Rod like weapons

https://tenor.com/view/halo-reach-hunter-halo-huntwr-gif-27184548

[hearty wolf]

Ngl I think I'd prefer that

[zinc phoenix]

But thankfully bleed nades are really good

I been running twin yeet + recharge + 5% grenade on kill and tossing em like mad

look at me i am the psyker now

[hearty wolf]

Are they actually?

Like by the time they detonate

I could have swiped 6 times with powersword

[dusk timber]

You can throw them further than melee range

And its not like you cant do anything while waiting for them to detonate

[hearty wolf]

The point making is that it's an opportunity cost to take the time to throw them - time which also will likely necessitate burning a dodge or some stamina

[white valley]

They also work with bolt pistol's lethal proximity

[hearty wolf]

And with that, you've got to evaluate if it's worth the blessing slot versus whatever else you could use

Knife is another thing that makes it better due to uncanny and that's probably not really a trade off compared to LP on BP

[white valley]

You can do a ton of damage over a mission with frags

It's aoe, with a very large radius, something like 12m, and over a mission you will get some 70 nades

[hearty wolf]

12m mm

I wonder how much of that is actually E-damage

[white valley]

E-damage?

[hearty wolf]

Effective damage

Or in other words, overkill/ under kill

[icy breach]

Does not matter
What matters is that it kills

Such number crunching is pointless

It kills? Good, keep doing that

Rather than wondering how much overkill my actions do

[dusk timber]

Its also spammable thanks to stockpile and the 5% on specialist/elite kill

[deft stump]

Can you melee an entire arena?

[white valley]

Yeah no matter how much damage your power sword does it cannot affect an area with a diameter of 25 meters

Frags with lethal proximity can

[median furnace]

Krak being your only option to deal with carapace is bad, but lobbing one at a dense pack of maulers/crushers who aren't in melee range yet but approaching, and being able to do other stuff in the meantime like kill some specialists, then mop up the survivors from the krak, is a useful tool.
I prefer shredders nowadays for horde clear and meshing with Mercy Killer on my knife builds, but krak is still good so long as you know what to do when you run out and don't panic.

[white valley]

Horde? Frags. Pack of elites? Frags. Shooters in cover? Frags. Boss and other enemies? Believe it or not, frags.

[dusk timber]

Taxes? Frags

[white valley]

Your commissar is an asshole? Frags

[median furnace]

Veteran gets so many grenade improvement talents that it'd be silly not to use them as often as convenient, I hand them out like candy.

https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn99-brooklyn-nine-nine-grenades-anger-weapon-gif-16979865

[white valley]

Plus they scale with difficulty

More enemy density in Havoc means frags deal more total damage, and more elites and specialists means more nades printed by demolition specialist

[hearty wolf]

I'm still not convinced

But we will see

[radiant frigate]

you call throwing a stick of dynamite around a martial art?

[brazen compass]

If you're using the PSword, then frags will give you space to breathe whereas kraks won't

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/fist-of-the-north-star-hokuto-no-ken-hey-as-long-as-it-works-as-long-as-it-works-winging-it-gif-5037582307183355084

[brazen compass]

You can deal with armor and bosses with the PSword already, think of frags as AoE stagger on demand

(besides VoC)

[pale prairie]

Multitasking is hard okay?

[radiant frigate]

personally i like to think of frags as the grenade i didn't pick

[pale prairie]

Hey did a level 10 bot dive with the boys last night and I tell you what hybrid urban/jungle map was an absolute blast and slog fest. Even with walking barrages and 120s it was a challenging and frustrating time. Read: Warstriders are insane

[brazen compass]

War Striders? You mean the stutter machines

Aim for the hip/legs

D10 bots are my absolute favorite

[pale prairie]

No no no the grenade ragdoll machines

[radiant frigate]

haven't met them yet but I'd wager thermite and quasar make short work of them

[median furnace]

I don't think I ever checked, the Ogryn's damage resistance based on the amount of enemies with bleed, that also applies to bleed caused by other players right?
If so my shredders giving bleed to the entire room is fantastic for Ogryns using the left side tree.

[brazen compass]

Yeah, and their projectile spam keeps stuttering the game

[radiant frigate]

bots are learning about ddos

run

[pale prairie]

Lmao I know how to fight them. It doesn’t change the craziness of not being able to see around the trees but they launch grenades in a huge area in addition to the Factory strider I am kiting

[brazen compass]

It's only up to 4 according to the tooltip

[radiant frigate]

what da dog doin

[pale prairie]

Oh you’d think it would be easy

It is if they are solo

[median furnace]

Ah, makes sense, other wise it would just end up OP

[brazen compass]

No no, I'm agreeing with you, they go kinda nuts

[median furnace]

But if I'm spamming grenades every time there's a horde it means there's always at least 4 bleeding enemies somewhere nearby.

[brazen compass]

But as long as it's not rockets being launched at me from across the map, I'll take it

[pale prairie]

But the stutter explains the framer rate stuff

[hearty wolf]

But my powersword also gives me space against trash. It's only against armour that I'm using it for buying time. And its damage against armour is crap - if it happens to hit horde though, cool.

But it's more of a stagger tool for moi

[pale prairie]

The best I can do for you is both

[tulip kettle]

all i know is, karien told me shredders + bistol lethal prox + knoife is good

and i trust karien when it comes to vet

[pale prairie]

It’s like a super walker with two big machine gun cannons and then it launches like 2 dozen of the grenades in a big area. If you get caught by one then you just infinitely ragdoll till death cause the explosions are apparently staggered

[pale prairie]

If it does work that way then, THANK YOU LITTLE ONE

[tulip kettle]

it applies to any bleeding enemies yeah

doesnt care about source of bleed

so also helps your scourge zealots out too

[radiant frigate]

what's your take on strider convoys

better yet, the strider factory

[white valley]

What

Strider factory?

That prints factory striders?

[pale prairie]

I love them. They are an actually unique mission objective.

Plus it feels so fun to prepare ambushes with heavy mines and the anti tank emplacement. Also hellbomb backpack is so choice

[radiant frigate]

(the strider factory is not real, it can't hurt you)

[pale prairie]

Ignore the elf’s crazed fever dreams. Couldn’t happen

[radiant frigate]

one time i had a mad bunch of teammates, dropped straight on top of the convoy and blew it to hell with 4 orbital lasers and 500kg

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/mass-effect-the-reapers-chaotic-destruction-gif-12242566

[radiant frigate]

it was about as chaotic as it sounds

[radiant frigate]

oh hell nah

[pale prairie]

Literally last night was the first time in a long time where my screen was so covered in lasers I couldn’t see. War striders make a difference hahaha

[mighty agate]

One of my favourite sounds

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/assuming-direct-control-mass-effect-gif-18465258

[mighty agate]

https://tenor.com/view/mass-effect-renegade-shepard-interrupt-gif-13179668004875266303

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah. They bleed and stagger it’s great

Opening up space for the team to move in bad situations is gud

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/ponste5-mass-effect-thane-gif-20125165

[mighty agate]

https://tenor.com/view/shepherd-excuse-me-hold-up-you-wot-m8-gif-26022926

[marble crater]

That's not a Strider Factory, that's a Reaper, you liar

[mighty agate]

My head after that hit

[pale prairie]

Oh god monster factory ptsd from that lmao

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/willow-allagash-theyre-so-smart-damn-it-smart-theyre-smart-gif-27606464

[wind wind]

The dark voices won..

I played smyker today

I regret nothing

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/shiiit-hes-gonna-get-his-ass-kicked-the-rock-dwayne-johnson-seven-bucks-whoop-ass-gif-22161723

[white valley]

https://tenor.com/view/lord-of-the-rings-wizard-saruman-so-you-have-chosen-death-gif-24634148

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-emperor-palpatine-fly-gif-17095684

[mighty agate]

https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-good-gewd-star-wars-episode-3-gif-15386400457909814305

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-list-bloobiecord-amiaryllis-bloo-gif-12236757325921974899

[pale prairie]

Damn smite is bad for your complexion

[hearty wolf]

@nocturne dust

[nocturne dust]

hm?

[hearty wolf]

We game?

[pale prairie]

Just a quick 58 minute run

In and out

[nocturne dust]

I can't do it now. Would need an hour and 30 mins.

[hearty wolf]

Same

[tulip kettle]

@ripe obsidian im sorry to do this to you

do you know if "enfeeble" works with EK rmb?

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-adeptus-mechanicus-mechanicus-warhammer-tech-priest-gif-14919800332216808310

[gray juniper]

I’m hooked on mechwarrior. I’m on hiatus from the team

[tulip kettle]

my testing says yes

but its obviously hard to tell because of the random dmg

[ripe obsidian]

Per Kuli's guide:

"stat buff: damage_taken_multiplier

Smite applies a debuff to enemies that increases their damage taken by 10%. The debuff benefits Smite itself and is being applied as long as the enemy is actively affected by Smite; stacks multiplicatively with other damage taken debuffs like Empyric Shock or Ogryn's Soften Them Up, Valuable Distraction or Veteran's Focus Target!, with damage buffs, and with power level buffs from weapon blessings. Does not stack with the same debuff applied by another Psyker.

Any source that may apply an electrocution effect to enemies but is not Smite or Charged Strike will not proc Enfeeble."

Weirdly, there are 2 things that claim to do the same thing. I assume one is unused.

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/f23235d2547a50adf1ad1cf6bdcb1af2f2a10333/scripts/settings/ability/archetype_talents/talents/psyker_talents.lua#L732

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/f23235d2547a50adf1ad1cf6bdcb1af2f2a10333/scripts/settings/ability/archetype_talents/talents/psyker_talents.lua#L1341

This one seems more correct.

templates.psyker_protectorate_spread_chain_lightning_interval_improved = table.clone(templates.psyker_protectorate_spread_chain_lightning_interval)
templates.psyker_protectorate_spread_chain_lightning_interval_improved.stat_buffs = {
    [buff_stat_buffs.damage_taken_multiplier] = 1.1,
}

Based on this, it appears to clone the Smite damage table, then just multiply damage by 110%. So it has nothing to do with electrocution, and everything to do with the Smite damage profile. At least, this is my understanding.

[tulip kettle]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[upper sun]

we need to train an AI on the game files and update notes

someone buy me a gpu

[ripe obsidian]

I am unintentionally training GPT on the code when I ask it questions that it gets... partially korrekt

Right now I am trying to train GPT on mods to help me make personal mods. It is going slowly.

[upper sun]

you can just upload already existing mods that usually helps

[ripe obsidian]

I have done this

I've finally gotten to the point where it doesn't CTD immediately. And it is recording data properly

Just can't display it without a crash

[upper sun]

nice

though well be the first to go when the AIs rise up

no man nor machine should be subject to this much lua

[ripe obsidian]

I am polite to the AI. I say please and thank you.

[upper sun]

same

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, the more I look at it, the more sure I am that it's just tacking on an extra buff/debuff to the smite damage profile

[upper sun]

i've also told chatgpt several times i'm willing to sell out humanity to work in a droid factory 🫡

[marble crater]

[tulip kettle]

i dont doubt you for a second

[ripe obsidian]

Just for curiosity's sake, Charged Strike also seems to duplicate Smite's damage:

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/f23235d2547a50adf1ad1cf6bdcb1af2f2a10333/scripts/settings/buff/archetype_buff_templates/psyker_buff_templates.lua#L3369

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/f23235d2547a50adf1ad1cf6bdcb1af2f2a10333/scripts/settings/buff/weapon_buff_templates.lua#L1017

[upper sun]

its a pattern recognition machine i trust it to know whats best

[wraith sphinx]

too bad it doesn't know anything

[ripe obsidian]

It also also seems like each variant of smite is its own thing instead of fuckin' building on each other.

templates.psyker_heavy_swings_shock.interval_attack_damage_profile = DamageProfileTemplates.psyker_heavy_swings_shock
templates.psyker_heavy_swings_shock_improved = table.clone(templates.psyker_protectorate_spread_chain_lightning_interval_temporary_improved)
templates.psyker_heavy_swings_shock_improved.interval_attack_damage_profile = DamageProfileTemplates.psyker_heavy_swings_shock```

[upper sun]

dude lua is legit java tier syntax

[ripe obsidian]

templates.psyker_protectorate_spread_chain_lightning_interval

templates.psyker_protectorate_spread_chain_lightning_interval_improved = table.clone(templates.psyker_protectorate_spread_chain_lightning_interval)

templates.psyker_protectorate_spread_charged_chain_lightning_interval = table.clone(templates.psyker_protectorate_spread_chain_lightning_interval)

templates.psyker_protectorate_spread_chain_lightning_interval_temporary = table.clone(templates.psyker_protectorate_spread_chain_lightning_interval)

Instead of +x, it's entirely cloning and replacing

Or so is my understanding

[tulip kettle]

this was my test data

[ripe obsidian]

templates.adamant_whistle_electrocution = table.clone(templates.psyker_protectorate_spread_chain_lightning_interval_temporary_improved)
templates.adamant_whistle_electrocution.interval_attack_damage_profile = DamageProfileTemplates.psyker_heavy_swings_shock

Arby is a Psyker clone. >:(

[tulip kettle]

of course it means nothing and i trust your code analysis

[deft stump]

Well, I like knoife. You can use other melees to 'taste'.

[ripe obsidian]

Random damage is a sin.

[tulip kettle]

but the fact i got 2 results in the 700's with no enfeeble and none with enfeeble, plus a higher average made me really wonder

[ripe obsidian]

Could be spaghetti code

But it's not intended to work that way, I believe. Maybe it does

[tulip kettle]

i assumed it wouldnt, but then when i saw EK was coded as chain lightning same as smite

and its literally called in game "staff bound smite"

it logically should

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, they did some wonky things

[tulip kettle]

thank you, i accept your analysis that enfeeble does nothing for EK 🙂

[nocturne dust]

yeh, scoreboard pops up error messages about psyker electrocution every time Arby does shock damage

[ripe obsidian]

God I hate this.

templates.psyker_heavy_swings_shock_improved = table.clone(templates.psyker_protectorate_spread_chain_lightning_interval_temporary_improved)

templates.psyker_protectorate_spread_chain_lightning_interval_temporary_improved = table.clone(templates.psyker_protectorate_spread_charged_chain_lightning_interval_improved)

templates.psyker_protectorate_spread_charged_chain_lightning_interval_improved = table.clone(templates.psyker_protectorate_spread_charged_chain_lightning_interval)

templates.psyker_protectorate_spread_charged_chain_lightning_interval = table.clone(templates.psyker_protectorate_spread_chain_lightning_interval)

templates.psyker_protectorate_spread_chain_lightning_interval = {
    class_name = "interval_buff",
...
}

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/f23235d2547a50adf1ad1cf6bdcb1af2f2a10333/scripts/settings/buff/weapon_buff_templates.lua#L1019

Enfeeble + Charged Strike is five levels of cloned tables

[ripe obsidian]

I need to figure out how to fix that

[tulip kettle]

where enfeeble there

i see heavy attack and spread improved

[ripe obsidian]

improved is enfeeble

templates.psyker_protectorate_spread_chain_lightning_interval_improved.stat_buffs = {
    [buff_stat_buffs.damage_taken_multiplier] = 1.1,
}

[nocturne dust]

Fatshark and spaghetti code 😭

[tulip kettle]

its some inception type shit

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/whothefuckstartsaconversation-gif-22983824

[hearty wolf]

it is time for more havoc

[tulip kettle]

layers within layers

[nocturne dust]

Bruh, I was not joking when I said an hour and 30

[hearty wolf]

ik

I am going to do one game with randoms

[nocturne dust]

h40 randoms tend to be pretty cracked but good luck finding a group

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/enjoy-your-eternity-of-suffering-lucifer-morningstar-tom-ellis-lucifer-welcome-to-hell-gif-18399137

[pale prairie]

wakes up to pages of code about two things that are only related cause of pretty vfx

[tulip kettle]

do we know if peril reduction is additive or multiplicative?

[tulip kettle]

its not just pretty fx

they are called the same thing in the code and in game

[nocturne dust]

yes

[tulip kettle]

so which is it lol

[nocturne dust]

Yes, is both

[pale prairie]

Sounds like they don’t affect each other though

[nocturne dust]

Depends on source

[tulip kettle]

can you elaborate

[nocturne dust]

Most sources are multiplicative but small nodes in the tree are additive to each other iirc

But it has been a while since I looked at that so it wouldn't hurt to double check

[nocturne dust]

When in doubt, check Kuli's guide

[tulip kettle]

so with 20% reduction from SG, and 40% from ER, and 30% from warp charges, i would expect a cast that usually costs 15 peril to be 15 x 0.8 x 0.7 x 0.6 for an end cost of 5 peril

hmm

[hearty wolf]

Mental illness

[tulip kettle]

what of it

[strong gulch]

Same.

[hearty wolf]

why did you do the maff like that

[strong gulch]

To be fair, they used to be.

[tulip kettle]

is it wrong?

[hearty wolf]

This is why kids are failing their GCSEs

No

It's perfectr

it's the presentation

[tulip kettle]

me no maff goood

[hearty wolf]

No maff good

Or is it

I didn't even check it

[tulip kettle]

i dont know 😭