psyker-class

[ripe obsidian]

No, bursters are broken right now

[inland ice]

are we going with definition 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6?

[ripe obsidian]

When a burster either doesn't get pushed or just chooses not to blow up when pushed, it's a problem

[inland ice]

agreed

[ripe obsidian]

3 through 5

[inland ice]

very well let me grab some reference material

[white valley]

Bulwarks function well and serve their gameplay purpose very well, they are mostly harmless but protect other units, and encourage teamplay

Their shields could stand to be a tad less magnetic but whatever, that's minor

[ripe obsidian]

I mean, I don't like Bulwarks, but I need a reason to think they need fixing

[inland ice]

I just get pissed trying to fight 10 of them

[ripe obsidian]

They're better than when it used to be just a dome of invulnerability

[white valley]

Mfw my inferno staff eats Bulwarks for breakfast

[inland ice]

Esp when the fgs push does nothing to them

[ripe obsidian]

Bulwark sandwich, you say?

[inland ice]

I love when fgs push not working

[ripe obsidian]

Delicious

[white valley]

Mfw my eviscerator rips the bulwark into two in one-hit

[white valley]

rich in protein

[ripe obsidian]

I thought the FGS push attack opened Bulwarks? Could be misremembering

[white valley]

It does

[ripe obsidian]

Bearing in mind that Ogryn enemies get stagger immunity

For X seconds after a stagger

[loud girder]

that would be cool if they didnt spawn in massive numbers

issue with bulwark is bulwark packs is a bad idea

[white valley]

teamplay time, not a solo game

[inland ice]

it does

sometimes, in my experience, they ignore it, though

[loud girder]

its hard to get 3 randoms to focus on the bulwarks pack while also focusing on the large amounts of special and other armored units spawned

[inland ice]

Not sure why

[ripe obsidian]

Inferno, Trauma, EK, FGS push attack, brain rupture+EP...

[loud girder]

and like even if u do teamplay, they're still super boring to fight

[ripe obsidian]

Lots of ways to handle them

[loud girder]

psyker built different

[white valley]

Ogryn rumbler, zealot flamer, plasma gun, boltgun, laspistol, recon las

Chain weapons are all capable of one-shotting them

Blocking their melee attacks makes them giga staggered

[loud girder]

this doesnt fix that they're simply boring to engage with

[white valley]

It's often better to block them than dodge

[ripe obsidian]

Did not know that

[wind wind]

Anyone in here have gameplay of playing bubble psyker with vigilant autogun and a melee of your choice? Id love to see such an odd build idea perform well on auric. But i am not good enough

[loud girder]

lets put it this way, if u dont have a way to deal with them they're annoying asf and slow everything down, if u do they're less harmless than poxwalkers

[white valley]

their club swings, don't block the shield bash

[loud girder]

just a confused enemy design all around

[ripe obsidian]

If you don't have a way to deal with bosses, they're annoying and slow everything down.

Not having the tools to handle part of the game is not the game's fault.

[loud girder]

bosses are fun to fight at least

[ripe obsidian]

Are they?

[white valley]

If you don't have a way to deal with crushers, they're annoying and slow everything down

[ripe obsidian]

Burgles are my least favorite enemy in the game

[loud girder]

and they're fun to fight since they can actually 1 tap you

[white valley]

Burgles are either super annoying or entirely harmless if you have bubble

[loud girder]

burgle is annoying but the rest are all solid fun

[white valley]

But they are super annoying

[ripe obsidian]

I'd rather deal with Bulwarks than another tiptoeing Crusher

[wind wind]

At least they are slow

[white valley]

Hard to melee, slows and corruption, and in havoc a single swallowed player can be the end of a run

[wind wind]

That overhead be more daunting than a math exam in primary school

[loud girder]

now that u mention it burgle is the bulwark of bosses, boring fight that deals annoying chip dmg and just occupies space

[ripe obsidian]

Unrelated: music

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=lgNGNhxYnQM&si=oJlSJcHMBikl9Ydk

[zinc phoenix]

It’s a way to force melee classes to not just bulldoze the whole map like early in the game

[loud girder]

i mean the melee classes still shred them

[zinc phoenix]

Not packs so much

[wind wind]

You still can though, with indignatus crusher on chastise the wicked zealot or break the line arbites

Or grenades

[loud girder]

they should just make every other enemy more interesting to fight rather than slowing things down with an annoying enemy imo

[wind wind]

I want more enemy types

[zinc phoenix]

1. nobody uses that
2. rare in havoc
3. beetus skills idk what they are, I just know castigate mode is silly

[ripe obsidian]

I appreciate a good FotF Zealot

[loud girder]

break the line knocks every none boss enemy down

its very fun

[zinc phoenix]

I don’t mind it but it’s like shriek: the team has to be able to survive

If the team can live without book and bubble zel and psyker can do fun things

[gray juniper]

Omg I started a wave

[zinc phoenix]

If it can’t well

[ripe obsidian]

I will kill enemies by yelling at them and you can't stop me

[wind wind]

There has to be more melee and ranged enemies they can give us.

I wanna see them use acid. Or heavy weapons like meltas/plasma guns. Or even shredder grenades of their own. The scabs are a former guard regiment. The should have all of that. Give them autocannon nests

[wind wind]

Ive used nothing but forcefull keystone plus break the line plus indignatus on havoc.... Its all very good. Seen others use it too

[zinc phoenix]

I saw a guy in a h40 castigate his way thru a mission where he took 40dmg total playing like a doofus

Mowed down bosses too

[loud girder]

casti stance is pretty stoopid

[wind wind]

I took the hard way then on my havoc 40 run lmao

[zinc phoenix]

Great shit, I stole it

[loud girder]

good for robocop cosplay tho

[zinc phoenix]

He also took the pox gas thing and 3x corruption curios and I gotta say not giving a single fuck about purple damage is really nice

[pale prairie]

At this point let’s just get another faction

[wind wind]

I wonder how a castigators + forcefull keystone build would work 🤔

[pale prairie]

The mix of beastmen ratlings and chaos warriors was dope

[pale prairie]

Go ask arbiter chat

[wind wind]

Lets go into the sister hivecity and kill genestealers

[zinc phoenix]

They been talking about that city since like beta

[wind wind]

Naaaa. Too tired. Maybe tmr

[wind wind]

I know. That's why i mentioned it. Would be very easy

And plausible

[zinc phoenix]

I remember back then thinking that that would be cool and surely they’ll do it soon

Turns out not so much 😂

[wind wind]

Warhammer is the universe of unfinished cool plotlines lol....

What do you expect

[zinc phoenix]

Well anyway I got fully supported meleeker so I ain’t mad

[wind wind]

You can count yourself lucky If the story youre reading even has an ending, nevermind a good one lmao

[pale prairie]

It’s 40k there are no good endings

[ripe obsidian]

I have taken 0 damage with Forceful + Break the Line

[upper sun]

chaos WILL FALL

tau WILL FALL

elves will bend the knee

and the Emperor WILL RISE

[pale prairie]

Just wow

[zinc phoenix]

Well in fairness you probably weren’t playing like an idiot 😂 It’s whack that their damage is so high with how durable they are

[fresh reef]

@broken carbon on a scale from 1 (meta and unethical) to 10 (nonmeta and ethical) where does this setup lie?

[zinc phoenix]

What’s he doing down there?

Kneelin?

Kneeling in front of his xeno waifu????

Emprah = heretic

[upper sun]

hes playing civ

dont tell anyone tho

[zinc phoenix]

Makes sense he’d need a ton of psykers to play Civ on a human brain

[upper sun]

also why the count is increasing as he discovers more of the map and it gets more complicated

🚬 france killed persia in my game and i'm vibing in my little continent thats blocked by mountains on each side

i need to get ready

[ripe obsidian]

Sir, I am always an idiot.

[pale prairie]

Way to go!

[ripe obsidian]

This was a while ago

I am still chasing a 0 damage taken Psyker game

I often get like 80% through, then it all crumbles

[broken carbon]

it’s alright

[bright summit]

use scriers with voidstrike otherwise you don't get enough crit for surge to proc a meaningful amount, also consider warp nexus

[marble crater]

@strong gulch it was an accident

[pale prairie]

Whoa you didn’t dump blast radius? Brave man

Yeah if you’re going surge you just gotta for warp nexus

Haha elite damage

[pale prairie]

You really need to keep an eye on potato

[radiant frigate]

i mean the setup is intended to be haha

[pale prairie]

It is quite silly

[marble crater]

Unfortunate payback for being targeted with barrels and bursters the entire mission

[south gull]

Anyone else get denied more on havoc 40 than any other class?

[pale prairie]

I think potato hears the fuse sounds and sprints toward it unless it’s their Allie’s already standing by it

[tulip kettle]

you mean playing psyker?

[pale prairie]

Depends on what you’re running. I think if they see bubble they welcome in. Anything else especially if you go gun…..

Just host your own

[tulip kettle]

generally, no 2 psykers in 40, and they want to see you with bubble and inferno

[south gull]

im running bubble inferno

[pale prairie]

Might just be everyone wants arbiters now……

[south gull]

I getting auto inv with arb ngl

[pale prairie]

They are a squad alone with EO talents working now

[south gull]

[pale prairie]

You can just form your own

[gray juniper]

Thanks to tater & sin i accomplished the goal of taking psyker to havoc 40. But yea i dont even bother with pubs a lot of the time because they will send denials

It really depends though

[pale prairie]

I usually don’t have a problem getting in

[gray juniper]

You may end up luckier for the same reason as me. They see the 40 clearance and assume it’ll be ok to take you

For someone going psyker without it they may think iffy and deny

[zinc phoenix]

Well you know denial isn’t just a river

[gray juniper]

IN EGYPT

[south gull]

[zinc phoenix]

Listen I’ve only been a dad for less than two years, I’m still working on the material 😂

[gray juniper]

No no relax. It’ll start to come to you like ethereal power if you just keep talking

The ladies love dad jokes

Telling situational dad jokes at work and watching people laugh yet mad they’re laughing

[hearty wolf]

I tend to get in even on Seren without bubble. Maybe true survivor title is the carry

[ripe obsidian]

I get rejected maybe a third of the time. But I also play late at night and most other creatures of the dark recognize my name

[pale prairie]

Then they should recognize you are good! I have a 50% win rate with you and that’s while you were barely conscious

[gray juniper]

Six on life support and K putting the controller in his hand

[zinc phoenix]

People were taking me with mid 30s and TS

[pale prairie]

Just hooking up the special computer input that tracks eye movement and letting his REM cycle carry me to victory

[ripe obsidian]

I have noticed a significant difference in my play when I am actually awake

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/for-the-better-marques-brownlee-in-a-good-way-in-the-right-direction-for-good-cause-gif-26304118

[ripe obsidian]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/franz-lohner-s-chronicle-unexpected-guests/111870

Cousin Okri

[pale prairie]

Cousin okri is a fookin legend

[inland ice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UwH89OiCHY

napoleonic body horror

lowkey vermintide coded

[zinc phoenix]

brave dead?

[proper osprey]

@buoyant maple can you show me skins for the flamer and bolter?

[mighty agate]

similarities to witchfire too

Looks interesting

[buoyant maple]

I don't use the show cosmetic mod rn

[proper osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1025525686494035998/1398806968969461944/image0.gif

[buoyant maple]

best boltgun skin is from the recent inquisition drop

[proper osprey]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e81f1c9-3b63-4dc3-809b-9aee0aef4d51/evil-hatchetmancer @dull scroll

[buoyant maple]

flamer best skin would have been vostroyan flamer but one of the flamer's draw animations has ur hand clip into that skin's stock

[zinc phoenix]

anticipation with fgs has completely changed my game

like i went from "i love fgs but man i suck with the dodging" to surviving very silly stuff because im zoomin

[ripe obsidian]

@buoyant maple Is this from the event a couple months ago?

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/72cde1c088677d22b3830d9681d015167782b10a/scripts/settings/prop_data/props/heresy_altar.lua#L25

[buoyant maple]

I think?

I'm not rly planning to cover LTEs atm

[ripe obsidian]

I wasn't going to put it in. Just saw it when poking around

[weary idol]

https://fximgur.com/a/x0O8ahA

[pale prairie]

He just drops him off the edge? That’s fucked

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/snorunt-odd-pod-begod-gif-18661399

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/im-trying-to-save-your-life-ill-save-you-rescue-arthur-spooner-jerry-stiller-gif-15797854

[ripe obsidian]

Help me.

I just want to win. D:

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/owen-wilson-wow-marley-and-me-smooth-hd-hq-gif-977282450591946462

[ripe obsidian]

On the upside

New highest DPM since I started recording

[pale prairie]

Yeah I mean you clearly played your best

I'll carve out some time to run some havocs with you cause I don't have my weekly yet

then you can at least know who to blame

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, this was one of my better games this week. Just can't survive when people are bein' goofy

[pale prairie]

"It's all bleed macro builds.....all of them!"

[ripe obsidian]

My previous highest DPM was like 66k

This one was 86k

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-gif-20971723

[zinc phoenix]

i just carried a game with 15 deaths

during an event they just kept dying all together and i was sitting there holding the fuckin spawn cutting shit down

it got pretty mental

[ripe obsidian]

I got twins'd

[zinc phoenix]

oof

shortest open ever

[gray juniper]

Lmao these folks were live spectators

[strong gulch]

Idk if i can help.

[pale prairie]

bruh didn't you have highest damage in that last havoc 40?

[strong gulch]

true

[plucky flax]

Its impossible to help 6 only karien can

[strong gulch]

@ripe obsidian If you wanna play, I can try doing H40s.

@deft stump What's your "I'm scared and just here to provide book" zealot build for H40?

[deft stump]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f34b19b-49ad-432e-b423-ada4cdae4eaf/h40-aurabot-knoife-spam-edition

Take Holy Cause if you want more survivaliblity over you know.

[plucky flax]

Its 99% skill 1% build for karien

[deft stump]

See above.

[weary idol]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ca461da-16ee-4c89-b61c-1e54ec2fd5e2/book-is-trash-stop-fcking-using-it I'm fond of this one just because of how aggressive the title is

[viscid matrix]

isnt book actually good, if you are playing with the team?

[weary idol]

no

in havocs it's only good because yellow toughness

in aurics yellow toughness is not as helpful so it's just bad

[viscid matrix]

isnt the 30% damage good tho?

[autumn smelt]

it also is a massive handicap to the user

[weary idol]

You are still ultimately just throwing away one of the best damage abilities in the game (Fury Of The Faithful) to play as a lower damage veteran that doesn't provide ammo, can't take smokes, and doesn't have Focus Target

[autumn smelt]

because it has way less uptime and offensive power as the other two abilities

which also have better pathing and point economy allowing more nodes to be taken elsewhere

[tulip kettle]

You run zel because bacon, else yes vet is better for gold toughness imo

[weary idol]

yeah

Beacon is necessary to make blight spreads playable for melee (which ideally is all of you)

[autumn smelt]

it really depends tho
zealot can get chorus faster baseline cuz of iod whereas vet could just get cucked on all the specialist kills

[viscid matrix]

also backstab

[autumn smelt]

god that shit is gross

but yes

[weary idol]

yeah but vet is like

doing damage

and has other support utilities on top

[autumn smelt]

which is also true

zealot exists to be a pause button when using chorus

[viscid matrix]

chorus still can give 30% extra damage to squad for 10 seconds

[autumn smelt]

at the cost of literally all of their own damage

like if you actually see how much damage they sacrifice on scoreboards youll see what i mean

its like less than 1/2 of what the team is running even without the damage buff

[weary idol]

meanwhile veteran just existing

[viscid matrix]

can 2 veterans stack those together? or they overwrite each other?

[weary idol]

focus target can't stack, but for the emperor can iirc

[autumn smelt]

yup

[strong gulch]

Thanks

[deft stump]

But why though? My build's kinda suspect.

[strong gulch]

Because I don't really zealot, and if I do it's gonna be no damage because I'm bad. Also I want other people to have more opportunity to play psyker in H40s with me.

So book bot.

[deft stump]

Should ask Chaos for sane builds.

[strong gulch]

kk

[deft stump]

My build requires you to be on panic all the time because 1 hit means 0 toughness left in most cases.

[strong gulch]

@plucky flax Zealot book bot build for H40? For someone who is bad at the class.

[weary idol]

didn't we just post 2 earlier

[deft stump]

You can try, but YMMV tbh.

[plucky flax]

Build at start
https://youtu.be/OYXMhSJVpG4

Just run into enemy press f and hope team is behind you

Use tdr aura if no blight spread

[strong gulch]

Yes but Karien said to ask Agent. So I complied. 🫡

[strong gulch]

thanks

If I can't use knife, what are the better alternatives?

[deft stump]

DS.

Or Tacaxe.

You want to just crit and survive till next book anyway.

[plucky flax]

Id go ds4 and call it a day

[strong gulch]

kk

[ripe obsidian]

I must sleeps. Have to be up at 7:30 to drive people to the airport

[plucky flax]

Gn my prince

[paper harbor]

What sup soyka

[ripe obsidian]

I got back up with a realization.

This fucking mod

The average stacks doesn't count downtime.

How useless is that.

I need to redo math.

Fix my fucking spreadsheet

The lies.

The deceit.

[zinc phoenix]

relic blade

reliable against all targets, good moveset, easy to play

i use it regularly for book zel on havoc, its a great general purpose tool

also its actually fun

i run essentially this linked build's traits https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ca461da-16ee-4c89-b61c-1e54ec2fd5e2/book-is-trash-stop-fcking-using-it setup except i use fury rising for more cooldown reduction thru crits. and because stalwart is really just total overkill. i also skip enduring faith for ecclesiarch's call so that the team is getting some kind of replacement for my damage output

i dont run that exact curio layout and i take a bolter + relic blade over knife and flamer

flamer is solid backup horde control but relic blade already does that and having a gun is just kinda useful

the amount of gold toughness i can put out doing that setup makes it very very hard for teams to fuck up enough to lose even on h40

i run a mag dump bolter for boss/carapace smacking when needed

[obtuse dome]

Relic blade is fckn amazing

[zinc phoenix]

i tend to prefer playing bubble knight or bubble flamer but cleric is fine too

i see a lot of people run ds book zel and they seem to really struggle with horde control/generating sufficient crits for cdr for book spam

id honestly love to get a h40 game as vet or og or arbie but it seems like those slots are always full already in pug groups smh

[obtuse dome]

I rarely get a vet ever

[loud girder]

Host your own and have multiple people join you after ragequitting their earlier mission midway and acting oblivious

Happened to me 3 times yesterday

[zinc phoenix]

my host rating is terrible because i just join rando games

[loud girder]

I love party finder

[zinc phoenix]

well because i play the support roles decently the groups tend to do ok b/c most people grok the dps roles pretty well already

[obtuse dome]

Sadly you cant join ongoing havocs.

[zinc phoenix]

honestly id totally hotjoin hero h40s

i know they want to preserve the blah blah rank blah bullshit but i just wanna get some tide in

[loud girder]

What happened to me is I tried to get a lobby going and I kept getting people who clearly ragequit a mission so they're timed out lol

[obtuse dome]

Ah yeah i wish they just changed that because sometimes people legit dc and cant rejoin

And then no one can fill

[ripe obsidian]

You can, in fact. Just gotta be invited. Unless they changed that. But I have done it before.

[obtuse dome]

Im not 100% sure but i dont think you can.

[ripe obsidian]

I didn't think you could either

Until I got invited halfway through an H40 to fill a gap

[zinc phoenix]

you can

it happened in a game i joined

[obtuse dome]

Ah but only friendlist i guess.

[zinc phoenix]

we were like 4/5th of the way to the end. some guy crashed and couldnt come back so the guy recruited a friend

we were right near the door and getting absolutely hammered by trappers when suddenly the bot turns into a person and saves the day

great stuff

i just like that havoc clear level doesnt decay/fall anymore

lets me completely not give a shit

[ripe obsidian]

Is more fun

Less frustrating

[strong gulch]

I don't like the decay.

[ripe obsidian]

Decay bad

[zinc phoenix]

i suspect theyll do another reset at some point

[strong gulch]

they will

[zinc phoenix]

its a pain grinding up if you miss the first week

[strong gulch]

in like 2ish months or something it will be a new season

I don't even really mind grinding back up (still annoying if H40 is your thing and that's all you play).

But the decay stuff continues to be garbage imo

[modest perch]

yea i was salty to see a 39 on my board

[strong gulch]

The weekly tho. Still gotta log in to keep 40.

Lose all you want tho.

[zinc phoenix]

thats host stuff. i dont bother hosting so mine is super low. clear level doesnt reset to your host level each week is big for me

[strong gulch]

I have destroyed my my rank so many times because I just wanted to play with my buds. A particularly nasty combinations of mods on a hard map that we all just want to bang out heads against and not be completely stuck in meta builds and comps.

39 to 26

If I prioritized my rank, that actively means not playing when it's fun.

[zinc phoenix]

people see clear level in the party finder

[strong gulch]

Yes but that limited available H40 missions.

4 people but only 2 have H40 missions.

[zinc phoenix]

thats fair

god bless the hosts

[strong gulch]

ye

Which can be fun too.

but sometimes it's not

[obtuse dome]

Bro havoc 30-39 is legit more horrible then the 40s.

[strong gulch]

Havocs still being unstable and then getting the bug that makes you give up a try to clear. Gotta be friends with someone in the mission to get back in and not be punished.

[obtuse dome]

Atleast the 40s dont have as many modifiers

[strong gulch]

Sut and I and barrels. It's a never ending cycle. 🫡

[ripe obsidian]

?

[modest perch]

30 n 35 have a guaranteed extra bullshit modifier

[ripe obsidian]

Yes. But all other levels, including 40, have a 5% chance.

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/72cde1c088677d22b3830d9681d015167782b10a/scripts/settings/havoc_settings.lua#L4

[modest perch]

kinda wish wed get some of the event modifiers back in rotation

imagine inferno brute conscripts 40 with extra slugs

[ripe obsidian]

You'll get slime and you'll like it.

[modest perch]

ugh

still beats purple rituals

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/nickelodeon-slimetime-gif-13918747

[modest perch]

i never got a lights out slime havoc

[ripe obsidian]

I just had a purple rituals. It went well until someone decided to go on a solo mission to revive an ally instead of killing the fucking ritual

[modest perch]

[hearty wolf]

Omg Six just swore

That's aGaInsT the code of conduct

[ripe obsidian]

The two of us killed the ritual, the other person died alone and blamed us, then double bosses bullied us down

[hearty wolf]

Which I have now memorised to be as passive aggressive against a manager as possible

[ripe obsidian]

Gosh dang it, I can't fluffin' believe I said a swear word.

[hearty wolf]

Fluff only havoc 40 clutches

[modest perch]

bro u think thats bad

[ripe obsidian]

I tried to clutch it.

[modest perch]

a few years back i learned u cant swear in a CASINO

[hearty wolf]

Bruh

[ripe obsidian]

Tried real hard.

[modest perch]

a house of debauchery n sin but u say one nono word at the CRAPS table n they make a federal case out of it

[ripe obsidian]

It is known

[hearty wolf]

Interesting

[ripe obsidian]

News to me. I worked in a casino. People swore all the time

[ripe obsidian]

:<

[modest perch]

yea i think the stickman had a stick up his butt lmao

also no way dude which one ? vegas ?

[ripe obsidian]

Nah, a small chain on the east coast. Marketed itself as a luxury hotel/casino experience

They're growing pretty rapidly.

Opened like 3 locations in the time I was there

Well, "small"

[modest perch]

interesting. last time i was back east we had to drive to montreal to get freaky 😛

[ripe obsidian]

I think currently 6 locations, 5 of which have hundreds of hotel rooms and hundreds of thousands of square feet of floor space

So small is relative

[modest perch]

pretty cool bro

[ripe obsidian]

I did networking for them

Now I do networking elsewhere

14

[hearty wolf]

Asking too many questions might lead to 15

[wind wind]

Could one make the following on psyker work:

Vigilant autogun
Bubble
Blitz and melee of your choice?

[summer prairie]

You can play the bubble knight and instead of recon take the autogun, I guess

[wind wind]

What is the bubble knight build?

[weary idol]

very little reason to use vigilant autogun over basic lasgun if you want that style of weapon

but yeah you can make it work

[wind wind]

Cool. Imma try it.

[summer prairie]

You can technically use almost any gun with this, recon is used for the good ammo economy, instant and long duration Empathic Evasion proccing

but you should primarily use FGS melee and assail

[obtuse dome]

Dont mind if i do

Never tried gun psyker

[hearty wolf]

You should use vraks because it fires bullets and bullets> lasers

[zealous wing]

lets GO

time to blow people heretics up

[wispy bay]

I do use IAR on that build to kill bosses.

IAR doesn't have burn for longer range, but hit so much harder at close range.

[marble crater]

Potato and I are ready

[zealous wing]

THE VELOCITY

[wispy bay]

It is never unintentional* with you Germans.

[zealous wing]

so, anyone wanna go or do i just to pure pubs?

[marble crater]

I will play it way later today

[zealous wing]

k

if anyone wants to join, any diff, send me a strike team request

im on DND in discord so any pings will not be seen quickly

[upper sun]

potato launcher

[summer prairie]

play the event as arbi with castigator so you allow poxbursters to catapult you around without taking damage

[marble crater]

[hearty wolf]

That's. An amazing idea.

[obtuse dome]

This better not be real im gonna get a stroke😂

[zealous wing]

its real

[obtuse dome]

So theres tons of barrels? Fuck me😂

[zealous wing]

not even tbh

it wasnt "all barrels active" like maelstrom, but, there were more than a normal map

i think theres also actual mines?=

[obtuse dome]

Yikes

I hate fckn barrels

[zealous wing]

not sure. i heard a "click.... BOOM" from an ogryn walking on the first attempt

also, more bursters and grenadiers

if you're trying the build above still, its pretty similar to what i've got, if you wanna give it a shot in a strike team

[obtuse dome]

https://tenor.com/view/gif-emoji-dying-gif-12781121009589146106

[zealous wing]

i decided to to heresy quickplay, and it keeps landing on event, but, it wasnt that bad tbh

[obtuse dome]

Ill still give it a try later when im back from work

[zealous wing]

as long as you know how to deal with bursters, it'll be easy

[obtuse dome]

Depends how many😂

[zealous wing]

uh

i think most cluster i saw so far is 5

but then another small wave of them happened

[radiant frigate]

R🐝🍵s?

[strong gulch]

I was just thinking this event sounds like it was made for us.

[zinc phoenix]

Empowered assail shotgun wizard’s time has arrived

[strong gulch]

Time to get more than 35 barrels in a mission.

Or was it 33?? Was that my max?

Those were on accident tho.

35

[wispy bay]

What if you play the event + Maelstrom Pox modifier?

[strong gulch]

[wispy bay]

I feel the call to play it on Glorianna. As the name implies, it would be glorious.

[zinc phoenix]

Man there’s be no way to even tell the difference between a barrel event and standard Gloriana

Barrelstina Boomiana

[wispy bay]

Actually, it would be easier, because you can detonate them all. Less barrel = more surprise Kerbal space program.

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/ksp-kerbal-space-program-it's-as-simple-as-that-ksp-rocket-rocket-gif-5708109503022835319

[strong gulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1004447866250613048/1316913692650115152/Beans_Fly.gif

[radiant frigate]

beans? BEANS

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/beans-beans-musical-fruit-beans-iggydr-bart-gif-21645407

[zealous wing]

beans being a fruit is almost as distressing as corn being a fruit

ooh

i like seeing stats like this tbh, wish there was a base game counter you could see even after the penances are done

like, i wont get poxbreaker super soon, but when i do, it will be a bittersweet moment

[glacial vapor]

There is a mod for it, not sure what it's called though

[zealous wing]

ik theres mods for it, but, i know from personal experience with other games that, mods can get out of hand real quick

[zealous wing]

plus theres the constant need to update them

[jovial juniper]

Started with 5
Think I have 20 rn

[zealous wing]

easily put in over 7-8k hours in a game called Vintage Story, and now the vanilla game is very difficult to play, especially without clientside mods, and im so heavily burnt out from the constant resetting of worlds and mod changes and *** blah blah blah blah***

i'll start using mods eventually, maybe, if i get bored enough, but, other than stat board and kill tracking, i've yet to see one i'd like, except maybe also the one that makes it easier to see through someones fire staff carnage

but, become proficient with base game first, because more tools wont build skill

[wraith sphinx]

lol is the new event bomber spam?

sigh

[zealous wing]

honestly, in heresy at least, it wasnt that bad once i knew wtf was going on

target priority remains the same

[weary idol]

it's many things

[zealous wing]

bomber, burster, barrels, possibly mines

[weary idol]

explosive specialists spawn more often (bombers and poxbursters), more barrels spawn, cranial corruption (some enemies explode when headshot by ranged damage), and the NEW effect is Shotgunners have a chance to drop a grenade on death that explodes

[zealous wing]

everything that goes boom

OH also more flamers i suspect

[weary idol]

https://tenor.com/bBHNj.gif

[zealous wing]

thats exactly how it felt at moments

[summer prairie]

and 50% more catapulting force

[zealous wing]

esp in pubs when people dont know how to deal with a burster

[wraith sphinx]

no way, martyrdom perk in darktide

[zealous wing]

ive played 3 games, ive been burstered twice by different people

[weary idol]

oh yeah explosions also send you flying further

god save you on the start of gloriana

[summer prairie]

it's probably not just explosions, anything that throws you around

[glacial vapor]

Only twice? You had good randoms

[zealous wing]

no mutants seemed the same as well

[wraith sphinx]

gloriana about to become RSP

reject space program

[zealous wing]

I WAS MORE CAREFUL AFTER THE 2ND. THEY TRIED 😭

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/bomba-bomberman-exploding-gif-8159393212782380670

[zealous wing]

once, is an accident, twice is a warning, if theres a 3rd thats on me

[strong gulch]

This event sounds so chaotic. I am so excited to start hating it.

[zealous wing]

fr

[strong gulch]

Cry with joy for the first one.

Then "not this again" there after/

[weary idol]

can't wait to see it in havoc

[zealous wing]

honestly its easy enough to avoid it entirely if you're not quickplaying

[strong gulch]

always QP for more money and mats I don't need.

[zealous wing]

ye same

i also want to see how i fare when dropped midfight

[jovial juniper]

So what you're telling me is that I should main trauma staff on this event

[zealous wing]

sure. yknow what, go for it

add a secret modifier

[strong gulch]

same brain cell

[zealous wing]

use trauma, cause trauma

[marble crater]

Four Voidblasts

[summer prairie]

there's gloriana barrel grounds right now

[zealous wing]

psyker with trauma, oggy with box of bigger hurt and grenade gauntlet, vet with krak, zealot with shroudfield to aggro dump the bursters

oh, make the vet also have stealth for aggro dumping

dream hell team

[marble crater]

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/sounds-like-a-barrel-of-laughs-unpleasant-experience-embarrased-shame-bad-memory-gif-13251016

[iron flame]

Time to suffer in psyker again lol

[upper sun]

uprising event

lets fucking gooooo

[wraith sphinx]

ok I'm not playing this event LOL

this is too much for the randoms to handle

obnoxious difficulty tweak like rotter armor that just makes missions longer and bad players shit their pants

going back to maels

[deft stump]

Just 10x uprising.

[wraith sphinx]

mnah idc

[deft stump]

Speedrun plans.

[upper sun]

yeee

cmon

[wraith sphinx]

I got too much resources already

[upper sun]

lets speed run

cmon

[wraith sphinx]

grrr

ok maybe later

but mael first

[deft stump]

Just have fun before hell.

[upper sun]

im alt tabbed rn smoking

while waiting for the elevator in silo cluster

[radiant frigate]

can't believe they took sedition from us

[zealous wing]

well, the training has paid off. doing uprising just to do map run-throughs (not familiar enough with a few) , and i didnt take a single bit of hp damage

nothing but absolute slaughter

good to learn where possible chokepoints are and such before knowing such things would've been helpful (also where to absolutely NOT get cornered, thinking its a hall when its a dead end 😭 )

[deft stump]

Just panic, same thing, no think.

[zealous wing]

cant make myself panic

[iron flame]

Can i use assail as a special snipe ?

I find out that playing my psyker like a melee focused zealot or arbites helps me survive way easier. Actually only gone down once in damanation now. Trying to find something that will let me quick snipe baddies.

[zealous wing]

assail, or brain popping

if youve got assail, its range is 60m iirc

if youre using a staff that isnt the inferno one, you can also shoot a ball with LMB, and if youre mainly melee, a decent gun for long long range would be fine

[iron flame]

I was using EK staff earlier but it just feels so bad. I miss the old damage 😭

[zealous wing]

its good with the right perks and talents

i went from struggling in heresy to running auric maelstroms with these kind folks within days, so, they know their shit

[iron flame]

Yea ppl here gave me a build but I guess it is just skill issue on my part since my EK staff still don't delete elites on damnation in one charged hit

Meanwhile arbites and other teammates are killing them faster

[zealous wing]

it depends on crits sometimes

also, sometimes you just dont vibe with a build, thats ok too

main thing about EK and killing is, even if you dont get the kill itself, you're doing massive damage, and it also stunlocks crushers and bulwarks, leaving them open to attack from others for quick takedown

its not a competition for who kills the most, unless thats a groups decided vibe, its surviving the level

[marble crater]

AgentChaos in shambles

[zealous wing]

if you have EK and use kinetic flayer its also great at monster killing

i do actually miss sedition kinda

i wanna see what its like now, because i dont remember

i know it was far easier than uprising, but, i was only playing vet at the time

i joined, like a couple weeks maybe, before the update that removed it

and i only played for maybe a couple days after the arbites got added

[deft stump]

Usually need to Alt fire for it, but yes.

[marble crater]

@deft stump I found a new carry, Hexis carried us in havoc 20 yesterday

[upper sun]

why does the event not give more explosive resistance?

[zealous wing]

i DID NOT

[wraith sphinx]

@upper sunok I can do one or two missions

you up

?

[upper sun]

join me

[wraith sphinx]

oh wow

bro's soloing

[deft stump]

Is the start, you'll carry more.

[zealous wing]

i refuse to believe i'm competent enough to carry

[marble crater]

[deft stump]

Perhaps, but once they deem it that, it's exactly what it is.

Any clutches you try or do makes it worse.

[marble crater]

I had the opportunity to clutch yesterday, but I failed

[iron flame]

Hmm yea psyker atm is just that one class that I want to play because of the class fantasy but my skill issue is preventing me from enjoying it.

Like my arbites / ogryn performance vs psyker on damnation is day and night.

Those 2 I usually don't need to heal up the entire fight unless things really get sideways in a small corridor or something. Heck last night, I had to solo half of the destroy green lab stuff mission after the entire team dies and walked out alive with half hp.

[quasi atlas]

Are there any force greatsword skins in the game

[loud girder]

its just a learning curve and you'll get used to it

[marble crater]

Yes, just need to wait for the rotation or be happy with the red ones for dockets

[deft stump]

They updated the commissary?

[upper sun]

god arby ruined me for other classes

zealot feels like ASS

[wraith sphinx]

dw it's gonna get nerfed a year from now

[marble crater]

No, but there is one, no?

[wraith sphinx]

also yeah commodores' vestures updated?

[upper sun]

just 4 more years

[upper sun]

its also bad

[glacial vapor]

Classes don't get nerfed.

They just buff the others until people complain, then the cycle continues anew

[deft stump]

Is just Vostroyan or so.

[loud girder]

vostroyan back so fast is nice

[deft stump]

Greatsword? No. Only mastery skin for free.

[zealous wing]

also i checked yesterday and yeah no FGS skin in comm

[jovial juniper]

I swear FGS has one

[hearty wolf]

Yes

[jovial juniper]

With the Snow hounds?

[rigid iris]

It does but its red

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-urge-resist-cat-gif-25536160

[rigid iris]

Its like a duller, worse branx

[marble crater]

Oh, I meant that then

But there is a ventures skin, right? White one I think?

[wispy bay]

Zealot does feel like ass for me as well.

[rigid iris]

Zealot can spam the MIGHTY RELIC BLADE but MAN I am waiting for that tree rework

[wispy bay]

It is 100% my skill issue.

[deft stump]

It does tell me I have more value in auras till this crash happy patch.

[hearty wolf]

Zealot feels like ass

Like that's just the statement

[hearty wolf]

You're coping if you think it doesn't

[jovial juniper]

Zealot still has the better finesse and dodges

[hearty wolf]

Your playstyles are

1. Wish you had break the line
2. Hold F
3. Be at the end of the mission

[loud girder]

nah fotf zealot goated

[hearty wolf]

The camera lock feels ass

[loud girder]

zealot is fun u just gotta have that dawg in you

[jovial juniper]

No way bro thinks btl is better than Fotf

[hearty wolf]

It feels better, no question

[loud girder]

u get used to the camera

[wispy bay]

Loner is THE aura.

[hearty wolf]

That doesn't make it not feel like shit when you go back to it xd

FOTF "stuns" enemies but it has no impact

It feels like a glitch

Yucky

[loud girder]

the way is see fotf is its basically a manaic doing a suicidal charge so the wonkiness fits

also as fun as btl is, fotf is a way more fun dash since u actually can cut absurd amount of distance with it

[hearty wolf]

Zealot is like driving a 1 wheel drive car that's automatic

Arb is 4 wheel manual

[loud girder]

its true that arb feels amazing tho

people are too focused on le balance and dont discuss how fun bro feels to play

[rigid iris]

Your playstyles are:
Heavy eviscerator shield deletion button
Pogryn go off cliff button
Get the psyker killed by dumping aggro in front of a crusher overhead button

I think these are pretty cool tbh

[wispy bay]

2 gears automatic.

Arby is 4 gears

Vet is manual.

[rigid iris]

Vet is a manual but like an old manual and there's some dude screaming about how they don't make them "like they used to" and the air conditioner hasn't worked in 2 years

[wispy bay]

Orgryn is self driving car.

[deft stump]

This hurts me if I understand it right.

[loud girder]

why is this so accurate

[jovial juniper]

Car talk

https://tenor.com/view/chicago-med-crockett-marcel-out-of-my-depth-i-know-when-im-out-of-my-depth-depth-gif-272347175312539869

🛌

[rigid iris]

Manual is when you have to play with your feet to yank on a stick or else the car doesn't feel like moving

[deft stump]

So 6 shift stick types?

[rigid iris]

Yeah but with more rust and less cool feeling

[deft stump]

It works, more or less...

[rigid iris]

Don't worry they made an automatic (shout) at some point

[deft stump]

Just, is it worth it unless ultra poor?

[rigid iris]

[ripe obsidian]

Since you can't manually do Twins anymore, does that mean new players can't get the Hard Mode insignia?

[deft stump]

MMT or bust.

[wraith sphinx]

oh god the slop shop is just vostroya stuff

bleak

[rigid iris]

the alternative is

a hobo fit recolor

[wraith sphinx]

I mean

[marble crater]

again?

[wraith sphinx]

no accounting for tastes or anyting

I'm just bitching 😛

[rigid iris]

hhow long hhas it been since kreig or armaggedon was ingame

in the shop

[wispy bay]

VOC on, high gear, VOC off, low gear.

[marble crater]

And still no new arby cosmetics

[wispy bay]

Forgot to VOC? Die.

VOC wrong time? Die.

[wraith sphinx]

uhh

krieg was a month ago?

or two

during the skulls festival

[rigid iris]

and I MISSED IT

[wraith sphinx]

wait no I'm thinking armageddon

[wispy bay]

Nearly 6 months?

[rigid iris]

[rigid iris]

oh this sounds more accurage

[wraith sphinx]

krieg is the #1 most reruned thing doe

[marble crater]

Krieg wasn't that long ago I feel like

[zinc phoenix]

People love the pipes hooked to their butts

[rigid iris]

what

[deft stump]

VoC wrong time but you have frags? Might survive.

[wraith sphinx]

gg fatshark

[rigid iris]

imma be so real I hate the physics on the haht

[jovial juniper]

Didn't they return Armageddon AND Krieg

With the skulls event

[jovial juniper]

[upper sun]

aaaaaaaaaaaaa WERE NOT FRIENDS

ADD ME

[wraith sphinx]

aaaaaa sorry

I will

[upper sun]

its ok joined through previous missions

[wraith sphinx]

awesome 👍

[upper sun]

like

even in regular missions this happens

@autumn smelt COLE

how was this event tested my god

[deft stump]

It wasn't tested, clearly.

[hearty wolf]

Heavy eviscerator: "Oh you tried to saw something? The Arb and Ogryn pressed M1 so it's already did."

But the other two, agree. Pretty cool. Book Zealot is almost rivalling the power of a door

[rigid iris]

not against a captain shield no

[radiant frigate]

wouldn't it be nice if clases sucked a little more?

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-gif-21179057

[jovial juniper]

Bro thinks Arby's can kill carapace that quickly

*kill that quickly

[white valley]

Arbys can like 2 or 3 shot crushers with any weapon lmao

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah it takes almost two hits!

[jovial juniper]

When all the 4 base classes can 1 shot

[zinc phoenix]

Barbie buff needed

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-versus-vs-alien-monster-vs-alien-gif-16037253809360562033

It's always 2 shot with you guys

#nooticing

[white valley]

Show me the chorus zealots and staff psykers one-shotting crushers

[zinc phoenix]

Does any Barbie build not trivially deal with crushers?

[loud girder]

u can 1-2 shot a crusher on chorus zealot with ds4

[zinc phoenix]

Everything I’ve tried I just beat them to death as they fall over

[loud girder]

can any half decent build on any class more like

crusher is a joke as an enemy

big slow mf that gets 2 tapped by 1000 different weapons

[zinc phoenix]

Nah there’s lots of perfectly good builds for other classes that have a focus

[ripe obsidian]

I'll heavy eviscerate you

[white valley]

The arbitrator does it with a shock maul while having 5x better horde clear than the DS4 zealot

[zinc phoenix]

And can’t deal with crusher or monstro or even horde sometimes

[loud girder]

should have said melee centric

m bad

[upper sun]

we talking arby shockmaul?

love that weapon

[zinc phoenix]

It’s beyond stupid

[white valley]

Ogryn with pickaxe or club is the only thing comparable to arbitrator against crushers

[ripe obsidian]

Are we having a debate about Arby being overtuned or not?

[loud girder]

eeehhhh ds4 speed is absurd can turn off crushers way faster and if you're running ds4 you're probably running a flamer for hordes

[zinc phoenix]

Horde clear, carapace clear, monstrosity clear all in one weapon

[white valley]

But Ogryns are by design meant to be super strong against ogryns

[upper sun]

its BALANCED

its peak BALANCE

[white valley]

Pretty much

[ripe obsidian]

I thought that ship had sailed

[deft stump]

Vet and Zealot needs buffs, we all know.

[upper sun]

i LOVE having an easy to use weapon that does EVERYTHING

[zinc phoenix]

You’re just happy it can clear groups of bulwarks with m1 😂

[upper sun]

with 900000 trillion stamina so in case i wanna go full lobotomite i can just PA spam

[loud girder]

this convo somehow happens everyday in every channel here and its the same talking points

[ripe obsidian]

Arby is overtuned and Arby maul is the best melee weapon in the game

[zinc phoenix]

It’s not close 😂

[loud girder]

ogryn melees clear

unironically

[upper sun]

its so balanced its exactly 51% percentile of weapons

no 50.000001%

[zinc phoenix]

Combined 😂

[loud girder]

pickaxes are still the best imo

[zinc phoenix]

Pickaxe sucks to use by comparison, people set up scroll macros for it

[white valley]

Ogryn bully club enters the chat

[marble crater]

A club full of bully ogryns?

[loud girder]

yeah cause dork players hate combing

the combing in question is chaining more than m1

[zealous wing]

i just realised

i think the event tracker is broken

might just be me tho, a relaunch could fix, if no one else has this issue

[zinc phoenix]

gaybar.jpeg

[upper sun]

@ripe obsidian does the game have a mercy mechanic with ammo crates/medipacks?

[white valley]

Mfw I'm an Ogryn and when I hit enemies with my club they take 70% more damage and have 40% brittleness

[radiant frigate]

one morbillion status effect

[white valley]

Skullcrusher + soften them up + hard knocks + brittleness from thunderous

[radiant frigate]

wee bit silly

[hearty wolf]

Sorry, my mom would slap me with a slipper and I'd die before you finished 😭

Sorry, my mom would slap me with a slipper and I'd die before you finished 😭

[marble crater]

[white valley]

Wait, I wonder if these are additive or multiplicative

[white valley]

La chancla

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/chancla-slap-mad-get-it-together-gif-20969526

[upper sun]

@wraith sphinx ha

i barreled him so id win the race

[wraith sphinx]

based

and my barreling downed him

https://tenor.com/view/hitman-agent-47-gif-13432691273008942948

[upper sun]

last one

god bless

[wraith sphinx]

🙏

[deft stump]

Very deadly. +1000% damage to unruly 'kids'.

[white valley]

Indeed

[proper osprey]

I can tell you’re not fluent in zealot chat

I must teach you

The ways of zealot

[zealous wing]

i can feel the glare about to happen

[marble crater]

Karien is only fluent in carrying

[proper osprey]

Its nice but If everything is stunned and I can’t proc duelist my damage is severely reduced

[jovial juniper]

H40 chorusbot but with CRIT Heavy Sword

[pale prairie]

@ripe obsidian is your game playable now?

[deft stump]

Rejected.

[ripe obsidian]

I can find out

[proper osprey]

It’s true she’s so good she doesn’t need me

How could I let that slip past

[ripe obsidian]

Playable? Yeah. Still bad FPS drops. And if the game is open for more than like an hour, I start losing FPS. Seems like a memory leak or something, but I am not sure the cause.

[pale prairie]

Did you check out that memory leak attempt I linked?

[deft stump]

I take that build to H40.

All I need is a new controller... and PC, yep.

[wraith sphinx]

yep this event is a total meme

[deft stump]

Dodge button is dying and 14 fps H40.

[marble crater]

[ripe obsidian]

I think I forgot to. I will find it again

[marble crater]

14 is not a lot of fps

[proper osprey]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e81f1c9-3b63-4dc3-809b-9aee0aef4d51/evil-hatchetmancer I take this into 40

I feel like he knows?

[ripe obsidian]

Unrelated, it looks like healkits cost extra to heal downed allies.

knock_down_player_heal_cost_multiplier = 0.3,
        knock_down_player_heal_speed_multiplier = 0.1,

[deft stump]

Well, Am used to it. And 300 ping.

[pale prairie]

Add in the ping and it’s basically a series of smudged water color paintings

[wraith sphinx]

does he nose?

[proper osprey]

Idk

[wraith sphinx]

damn

[deft stump]

Hey, is like that if they are long range.

[upper sun]

@wraith sphinx

[pale prairie]

Good thing you aren’t an OG veteran…..

[wraith sphinx]

THAT WAS YOU

ASLKGJSDJKG

[pale prairie]

Oh god just bring back fart armor I am gonna get so TILTED

[hearty wolf]

We've almost finished work for the day

[jovial juniper]

Lmfao that lauch

[ripe obsidian]

Looks like no to the mercy mechanics. As near as I can tell, there are a set number of spawns of each item and they are spread through the map.

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/72cde1c088677d22b3830d9681d015167782b10a/scripts/extension_systems/pickups/pickup_system.lua#L255

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/72cde1c088677d22b3830d9681d015167782b10a/scripts/settings/pickup/pickup_settings.lua#L18

Trying to figure out what the rubberband pool is

[upper sun]

🚬 so i am just a super giga brain haver when i open one crate all game and find a medipack in it?

[pale prairie]

I mean it balances out when everybody dies and you can’t clutch cause you get launched off map

[pale prairie]

Lmao

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-and-take-my-money-money-futurama-gif-6882124657810317443

[ripe obsidian]

Well, the items don't seem to spawn until a crate opens. So still figuring it out

[deft stump]

Oh, I couldn't afford the game then and hate EAC anyway.

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-hurt-me-im-too-weak-weak-please-gif-15366451

[pale prairie]

Schrödinger’s medkit?

[pale prairie]

You like cheating?

[hearty wolf]

@ripe obsidian o had a question

Probably better for Syllo but you might know

Do you know shock's ADM?

[deft stump]

More like, it indirectly wrecked an old PC. Opened an exploit.

You know losing my PC is worse than killing me.

[jovial juniper]

The masses have spoken
Buff psyker again

🗣️

(the masses are wrong)

(again)

[radiant frigate]

what the

[wraith sphinx]

what would darktide subreddit be without a monthly psyker bait post?

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/looks-like-it-couldnt-stand-gif-18091870

[ripe obsidian]

Arby shock maul?

[radiant frigate]

THE UNENLIGHTENED MASSES
THEY CANNOT MAKE THE JUDGEMENT CALL

[ripe obsidian]

Oh, I am wrong. Rubberband is a sort of mercy mechanic. I am not positive what knobs are turned, but based on the gamestate it can spawn items from that pool.

[upper sun]

🤔

[deft stump]

So, yeah... unless you are okay with me ending it, it's not worth the risk.

[ripe obsidian]

It is not guaranteed most of the time. It's a weighted item spawn chance

[upper sun]

yea

sooooo essentially

only open crates at the end

[pale prairie]

That Reddit post has a 5 minute clip of a guy using Voidstrike and hopping around without ever popping SG.

[marble crater]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-disgusted-the-boys-homelander-disgusted-ew-gif-4826567861114153994

[pale prairie]

I am sorry that’s terrible

[radiant frigate]

"psyker needs a damage boost" is one hell of a take

[patent steeple]

hmm... I wonder whether One With The Warp or the SG speedboost node would be better on a voidSTRIKE build, or if I should just take a toughness node instead...? (I use Rashad Caxe with it)

I mean, OWTW would be more useful, especially during Warp Unbound staff spam, but +15 toughness could do relatively the same thing (I have around 190-200 toughness regardless iirc, but a little extra couldn't hurt...?)

SG speedboost is kind of a meme, sure, but my caxe has 60 mobility and I don't wanna be constantly spamming away all my dodges in quick succession to avoid damage... (I suck at timing them on caxe...)

[ripe obsidian]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/72cde1c088677d22b3830d9681d015167782b10a/scripts/extension_systems/pickups/pickup_system.lua#L328

Here

Measures stuff

Along with measurements in other places

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/id-just-wait-and-see-where-it-goes-let-it-be-it-is-what-it-is-let-it-happen-tiger-king-gif-16731307

[marble crater]

They are right, buff blaze trauma

[ripe obsidian]

No idea what you mean.

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/senator-armstrong-armstrong-metal-gear-rising-mgr-speech-bubble-gif-25397532

[raven mountain]

OWTW is 10% TDR, put in the simplest and least effective terminology, that's worth 20 toughness from 100% for your build.

[radiant frigate]

grey on melee? needs a damage boost

[pale prairie]

Counterpoint: did you win?

Just being devils advocate here

[deft stump]

So, do nawt want it or any other extra risks. Ppl cheat even with it anyway. So makes no diff. Mods can be the same.

[raven mountain]

But scoreboard doesn't tell the whole story, and it's only for toxic players anyway. All that matters is whether the team extracted, not who did what! :angrycry:

[white valley]

I am never inviting an arbitrator to havoc again

[raven mountain]

Did they take all your kills and win without you, like Reddit talks about?

[pale prairie]

BuT tHeY aRe So GoOd AnD lAsT oNe StAnDiNg!

[pale prairie]

So silly to cheat on a PVE game when you can just buy arbiter /s

[deft stump]

My doggo is gud.

[white valley]

Nah, but the class is so absurd it upsets the game balance of havoc tremendously

[pale prairie]

Make sure it stays away from me and bursters though

[deft stump]

Or just bullrush bully club.

[deft stump]

Is lost trying to jumpscare me.

Like the real Carrot.

[pale prairie]

I don’t understand when it became OP? It has a good fast attack chain but it doesn’t really cleave well and on havoc just gets caught up in the horde yeah?

[deft stump]

No damage cap. Just light spam.

Laugh.

If scared, add confident strike.

[ripe obsidian]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/72cde1c088677d22b3830d9681d015167782b10a/scripts/settings/equipment/weapon_templates/power_mauls/powermaul_p2_m1.lua#L2

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/72cde1c088677d22b3830d9681d015167782b10a/scripts/settings/equipment/weapon_templates/power_mauls/settings_templates/power_maul_damage_profile_templates.lua#L1472

Depends on the attack. Match a damage template from file 1 to the ADM in file 2.

[ripe obsidian]

:(

[ripe obsidian]

ARGH

The math!

[pale prairie]

❤️

[ripe obsidian]

I did this math yesterday

[white valley]

It's very strong and simple to play, but it's not arbitrator

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/please-dont-start-bettina-rosales-lilet-esteban-gif-26154405

[ripe obsidian]

TDR is not just a flat addition to toughness. It's a multiplicative reduction to damage taken.

[pale prairie]

It’s amazing I think on difficulties without the stagger and health increases but I haven’t really tried it myself and just am curious about the consensus of it being Op

[ripe obsidian]

So it's not so simple as toughness * 1.2. I made that mistake myself.

[white valley]

it's op by virtue of the damage amplification attached to it

[pale prairie]

We need to just pin your post breaking it down

[hearty wolf]

Was actually thinking of dog nomnom shock

[white valley]

Skullcrusher + Soften Them Up + Hard Knocks + Brittleness from Thunderous

[hollow current]

Iate but could this be related to when health kits would dump all their healing into down ally over 3 seconds forever ago? what's the multiplier for living players?

[ripe obsidian]

I need to collect all my maths in a single document so I can paste it easily

[white valley]

That's 40% +15% +15% plus 40% brittleness, all while dealing solid damage against all health and armor types, plus applying bleed that is amplified by these debuffs

[ripe obsidian]

Maybe? I am not sure. Living players should just be a 1x multiplier.

[ripe obsidian]

Dogbomb or dogbite?

[hollow current]

If living is 1.0 and downed is 0.3 then downed would cost less. Mighta been how they fixed that issue but who knows with fat shark.

[pale prairie]

Regarding it I am gonna try using a build with 30 extra base toughness so (60 + 60) see how that breaks down

[ripe obsidian]

            description = "loc_talent_adamant_temp_judge_dredd_description",
            display_name = "loc_talent_adamant_temp_judge_dredd_name",
            icon = "content/ui/textures/icons/talents/adamant/adamant_ability_charge",
            name = "Dev Stat Block - Judge Dredd",```

[ripe obsidian]

It's a 0.3 cost but 0.1 speed. Not sure how that balances out

[ripe obsidian]

Best way to do it is see how many hits from a specific enemy you can take

[hearty wolf]

Nom

[pale prairie]

Hmm interesting I’ll have to check that out

[ripe obsidian]

Gimme a minute

[hearty wolf]

Thank

A really

Actually

I dunno why I didn't just ask my question to you properly

Basically, is dog brittle worth pathing to? The main issue with dog is when it tries to kill maulers

That shit sucks ass when there's 20

[ripe obsidian]

adamant_dog_attacks_electrocute = {
            description = "loc_talent_adamant_dog_attacks_electrocute_desc",
            display_name = "loc_talent_adamant_dog_attacks_electrocute",
            name = "",
            format_values = {
                duration = {
                    format_type = "number",
                    value = talent_settings.dog_attacks_electrocute.duration,
                },
            },
            passive = {
                buff_template_name = "adamant_dog_attacks_electrocute",
                identifier = "adamant_dog_attacks_electrocute",
            },
        },

Apt name. Answer is not in here yet.

[hearty wolf]

So want to improve that ttk

[jovial juniper]

It has overall 10.5 cleave
It has Skullcrusher
It has good impact
Staggered enemies lose mass (scaling with stagger)

Havoc 40 horde mass also got nerfed

[white valley]

You can also get more cleave from heavy hitter

[jovial juniper]

[pale prairie]

Oooooooooh

[hollow current]

It reads as healing 10x slower at 30% standard cost to me. But with how coding goes it's hard to say, especially without the living player rates to compare it to.

[jovial juniper]

And more importantly

It lost the cap with the ogryn rework

[white valley]

or grab impactful for extra impact so every enemy is giga staggered from lights

either works

[jovial juniper]

Does it have confident strike

Oh it does

[white valley]

It can

But you absolutely do not need it

[white valley]

Skullcrusher and Thunderous are better for more damage

[ripe obsidian]

local damage_template = DamageProfileTemplates.shockmaul_stun_interval_damage

        attack = {
            [armor_types.unarmored] = damage_lerp_values.lerp_0_5,
            [armor_types.armored] = damage_lerp_values.lerp_1,
            [armor_types.resistant] = damage_lerp_values.lerp_1,
            [armor_types.player] = damage_lerp_values.lerp_0_75,
            [armor_types.berserker] = damage_lerp_values.lerp_1,
            [armor_types.super_armor] = damage_lerp_values.lerp_0_8,
            [armor_types.disgustingly_resilient] = damage_lerp_values.lerp_0_5,
            [armor_types.void_shield] = damage_lerp_values.lerp_0_75,
        },
        impact = {
            [armor_types.unarmored] = damage_lerp_values.lerp_1,
            [armor_types.armored] = damage_lerp_values.lerp_2,
            [armor_types.resistant] = damage_lerp_values.lerp_1,
            [armor_types.player] = damage_lerp_values.lerp_1,
            [armor_types.berserker] = damage_lerp_values.lerp_1,
            [armor_types.super_armor] = damage_lerp_values.lerp_1_5,
            [armor_types.disgustingly_resilient] = damage_lerp_values.lerp_1,
            [armor_types.void_shield] = damage_lerp_values.lerp_1,
        },
    },```

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, I just don't know if that's multiplied with itself. Like, is each tick of healing only 1/10 the heal but costs 3/10? Because the medkit has like 500 points of healing total. Or is it 1/10 the heal amount for 3/100 the cost?

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/72cde1c088677d22b3830d9681d015167782b10a/scripts/settings/deployables/templates/medical_crate.lua#L12

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/72cde1c088677d22b3830d9681d015167782b10a/scripts/extension_systems/proximity/side_relation_gameplay_logic/proximity_heal.lua#L117

[hollow current]

https://tenor.com/view/perro-gif-9233624026139520041

[ripe obsidian]

local heal_amount = max_health * heal_percentage * heal_amount_modifier * speed_multiplier

amount_healed_this_tick = amount_healed_this_tick + health_added * cost_multiplier

[hollow current]

if health_extension and health_extension:is_alive() then
local max_health = health_extension:max_health()
local speed_multiplier = 1
local cost_multiplier = 1

Looks like living players is 1?

So living players heal at 6% a second at the 100% cost rate to the medpack while downed players heal at 0.6% a second at 30% of the cost rate per second?

[wraith sphinx]

what's this, healing speed?

[hollow current]

6% of max health I think. Per second.

I think this could be tested somewhat easily with say, two ogryns and numeric UI. One downed and one almost downed. Drop the medkit and record to help get an accurate reading on how health changes.

[radiant frigate]

downed players also have a ton more max hp

[hollow current]

I think that's why it heals slower.

[proper osprey]

Huh? It did?

Tbh I hate the hit mass increase I think it’s stupid

Did weaves ever do that?

[radiant frigate]

doubt

[ripe obsidian]

I think so. So the second math I posited seems to be right. Heals 1/10 the normal amount for 3/100 of the normal cost. I think. Because it counts the amount deducted from the kit as health_added * cost

So it takes 10x as long but costs 3/10 as much

[raven mountain]

Yeah, it's not, but explaining all the exact effects and nuances is a lot more work than saying it's simply that.

[oak echo]

FGS blessings and perks?

[ripe obsidian]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/72cde1c088677d22b3830d9681d015167782b10a/scripts/extension_systems/proximity/side_relation_gameplay_logic/proximity_heal.lua#L204

[hollow current]

I do Flak + Carpace, Precog + unstable

[oak echo]

Warp Slice and Blazing Spirit a good combo?

[ripe obsidian]

It's also quite wrong. D:

[raven mountain]

Eh. Not wrong enough to say that you shouldn't take OWTW

[hollow current]

nah cauz the slice dont trigger blazing spirit 🙁

[oak echo]

wot

[ripe obsidian]

No, it's the reason you should take it

Without the maths, OwtW would be worse than +15. At least in Havoc

[raven mountain]

He isn't talking havoc

He said he has like 200 toughness

[hollow current]

Yeah, I think this is how they balanced it so medpacks aren't eaten by downed players while also help keeping them alive.

[raven mountain]

🤯

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-the-undiscovered-country-general-chang-cry-havoc-and-let-slip-the-dogs-of-war-gif-13179818320828021602

[ripe obsidian]

I missed that part

[ripe obsidian]

Makes sense.

[hearty wolf]

Whoa that's really good

[patent steeple]

well, I double-checked my stats, and it turns out I only have like 133-152 toughness...

I was remembering my vet's toughness instead of my psyker's...

[jovial juniper]

Yes
The multiplier went from 3.2 to 2 something

[proper osprey]

That’s not bad

[jovial juniper]

2.7

H40 groaner has ~3.3 mass instead of 4

[raven mountain]

The math is honestly important, because havoc lowers your base toughness amount, so 15 increased toughness is more valuable than it otherwise would be. And I'm pretty sure the TDR is more importantly looked at from enemy sided calculations because they have huge increases to toughness damage.

And in havocs, the enemies have that extra modifier that affects what I'd call shield-gating in another game.

[marble crater]

Doesn't the 15 get lowered too?