Yeah that's the class
#psyker-class
pale prairie
Melee psyker is op as long as you know how to avoid dying
jovial juniper
You're not forced
opaque pollen
im joking and yeah i learned that lol
pale prairie
i am forced to stay.... COHERENCY?
Wrong. You’re forced to lean on dodges and Empathic Evasion
And BUBBLE
opaque pollen
so do i dodge ranged autos as soon as their barrel lights up or right after
i pretty much got melee dodges great. just dodge on sound
pale prairie
im joking and yeah i learned that lol
I only said it cause most melee Psykers I know charge in myself included hahaha
pale prairie
i pretty much got melee dodges great. just dodge on sound
Until the crusher sneaks up on tippy toes
pale prairie
getting charger ragdolled but surviving only to get tentacled as I get up
“Damn I miss getting mutie thrown and air sniped. I should play Darktide.”
radiant frigate
Crouching Diver, Hidden Charger
pale prairie
Crouching Diver, Hidden Charger
Unarmed melee warbond leaked
radiant frigate
pale prairie
radiant frigate
Yes
pale prairie
Ja
brazen compass
white valley
Enduring faith and duellist at minimum are central, scourge might as well be taken since it's on the way to enduring faith, invocation of death is also crazy strong but sure
Aye we are
broken carbon
Enduring faith and duellist at minimum are central, scourge might as well be tak...
duelist is central but crits arent needed
its a very strong talent, crits or no
white valley
It's a far better talent with crits
broken carbon
invocation of death is zealot's best talent, but you can run without it
the main issue with IoD is that the other CDR options arent as good
IoD needs to be turned to 200% total CDR, not 300%, pious cutthroat needs a change, and martyrs purpose needs to be made useful
you can run without IoD though, absolutely
white valley
But this isn't a huge deal, I'm not saying relic blade bad, just that it offers no inherent crit synergy
broken carbon
you said its not as good as people say due to a lack of crit synergy
my point is that a lack of crit synergy is irrelevent to the relic blade's power
white valley
No, I said it's not as good as people say and listed a myriad reasons
white valley
It has strong horde clear but there's better weapons for that, it has okay single-target damage, and works very well into packs of elites
broken carbon
great horde clear, and great single target
its not as good as say, hsword for horde clear, or DS for single target
broken carbon
but it does both well enough to be OP
white valley
The single-target is frankly quite average
broken carbon
not really
white valley
Into Carapace and Unyielding especially
broken carbon
yes i know its with combat stim, but my point is that its single target is plenty good
its above average
and it deals enough carapace damage to one shot with chastise
ripe obsidian
https://tenor.com/view/kung-pow-enter-the-fist-kick-ass-gif-14554833
How it feels fighting a crusher captain with no horde to back him up.
zealous wing
alternate caption: psyker in maelstrom
jovial juniper
gray juniper
https://tenor.com/view/kung-pow-chosen-one-dead-horse-beating-doll-gif-153880213...
Best feeling ever
ripe obsidian
alternate caption: psyker in maelstrom
The trick is to burn everything before you can get hit
proper osprey
not really
I wuv the mk2
ripe obsidian
I wish the Eviscerator were on par with the Relic Blade
Feels like Relic Blade does everything Evis does, but better. Except maybe boss damage.
broken carbon
Feels like Relic Blade does everything Evis does, but better. Except maybe boss ...
mk15 outdamages relic in boss damage yah
but with the changes to evis
ripe obsidian
also funny crusher onetaps
Can you do that without FotF?
broken carbon
evis is much closer to relic blade in general, but still is below due to having to saw for ogryns
radiant frigate
Can you do that without FotF?
no but you can get 2 per activation
broken carbon
Can you do that without FotF?
bloodthirsty +carapace
on mk15
chain one shot as many crushers as u want
jovial juniper
Mk15 my goat
white valley
I wish the Eviscerator were on par with the Relic Blade
The humble perfect strike blessing says hi
ripe obsidian
evis is much closer to relic blade in general, but still is below due to having ...
Evis feels more fun and visceral than Relic Sword. At least to me
broken carbon
Evis feels more fun and visceral than Relic Sword. At least to me
evis is much more fun imo
white valley
Perfect strike gives you effectively 300% more cleave on crits and allows you to ignore carapace hitstop
ripe obsidian
bloodthirsty +carapace
But at what cost? I don't actually know the ideal Evis setup. Mine probably still has Shred + Rampage.
white valley
But at what cost? I don't actually know the ideal Evis setup. Mine probably stil...
Shred + perfect strike
broken carbon
But at what cost? I don't actually know the ideal Evis setup. Mine probably stil...
on mk15, take bloodthirsty rampage, +flak +carapace
chastise trick one crusher, then chain rev oneshot as many as u want
as for a general build
ripe obsidian
chastise trick one crusher, then chain rev oneshot as many as u want
This pleases me.
broken carbon
this is mk3 evis
mk15 can still use perfect strike but rampage shred is also a good option
gray juniper
evis is much closer to relic blade in general, but still is below due to having ...
But it’s fun when you catch some with a saw attack as it’s flying by
white valley
yes i know its with combat stim, but my point is that its single target is plent...
This is good but you had a combat stim and hit a heavy attack on the weakspot with duellist active + backstabber
Also used fotf
broken carbon
This is good but you had a combat stim and hit a heavy attack on the weakspot wi...
well yeah duelist is going to be active basically all the time, ur always dodging
and yes you chastise when u want big single target damage
white valley
The weapon's good! I am not hating on it, I just think it's not quite as amazing as people make it out to be
broken carbon
it is though
ripe obsidian
Shred + perfect strike
Does Evis do enough damage with sweep attacks to make that matter much? At least on Crushers. The sawing attack still stops on the first elite hit.
broken carbon
my point is that it is extremely strong and needs to be tuned down
white valley
Agree to disagree then
radiant frigate
it is absolutely as epic as we all say
white valley
Does Evis do enough damage with sweep attacks to make that matter much? At least...
Perfect strike is not for sawing, it's for mowing hordes and packs of elites
broken carbon
Does Evis do enough damage with sweep attacks to make that matter much? At least...
mk3 L2, L3, and H1 have good damage distribution so yes, perfect strike's extra cleave is very good
i havent used mk15 since they buffed evis so i couldnt tell u how good it is now but i know its much better
white valley
MK 15 lights tear through non-ogryns with perfect strike lights
broken carbon
yarp
white valley
5 maulers? Hit them all at the same time and stagger them on top
last shore
anyone keep crashing on this update?
white valley
A crusher mixed in with the maulers? Cleave the maulers and once they're down you can saw the crusher
ripe obsidian
Perfect strike is not for sawing, it's for mowing hordes and packs of elites
I know what it's for. I was asking if the ADMs/damage multipliers are any good for slapping Ogryns
broken carbon
I know what it's for. I was asking if the ADMs/damage multipliers are any good f...
on revs, yes
for reaching crusher oneshots (mk3 specifically) u need to chastise trick though
white valley
I know what it's for. I was asking if the ADMs/damage multipliers are any good f...
Oneshots bulwarks and reapers consistently with Mk15, crushers require 2 revs or fotf
ripe obsidian
on revs, yes
But with Perfect Strike. I know revs are good
white valley
Nah you're not gonna be spamming lights on crushers even with perfect strike
ripe obsidian
I used Evis 15 for like 400 levels. I know it can kill Ogryn enemies. D:
broken carbon
But with Perfect Strike. I know revs are good
i dont understand your question
are you asking if just cleaving through a crusher is any noticeable damage?
because if so, no
its not really that much
ripe obsidian
Someone was expressing that perfect strike made cleaving through Crushers a thing. I was wondering if that was even worth doing.
white valley
Not to kill the crusher
broken carbon
but being able to cleave through so you can deal with chaff before focusing on the crusher is still helpful
white valley
It's more so that it lets you ignore the crusher for a bit
broken carbon
and the additional cleave is generally very helpful as well
zinc phoenix
It's more so that it lets you ignore the crusher for a bit
moments later, the one shot
broken carbon
also helps prevent utter despair against bulwarks, as u can cleave their shields as well
opaque pollen
heya im having a hard time deciding between queitude and warp expendature, is there are particular instance where i would not take both?
white valley
moments later, the one shot
I didn't say turn your back to the crusher and let it overhead you
ripe obsidian
heya im having a hard time deciding between queitude and warp expendature, is th...
Quietude is better. I still dislike it.
Any peril you generate that Warp Expenditure would benefit you, you have to quell it, which Quietude benefits 2x as much.
white valley
I mean that in a situation where there's a crusher and chaff, or a crusher and other lighter elites, you can cleave through the crusher to deal damage to the smaller units and clean them up while still paying attention to the crusher's attacks
opaque pollen
Any peril you generate that Warp Expenditure would benefit you, you have to quel...
ahhhh
ripe obsidian
Quietude does work with passive quelling and shriek/SG quell as well. Not just active
ripe obsidian
I don't take Quietude on any non-SG build, I believe. And even then I dislike it.
opaque pollen
but since im getting scrier ig they kinda work with eachother i dunno
ripe obsidian
Meleeker doesn't benefit as much from Soulstealer
So Quietude helps fill in the gap.
opaque pollen
i figured with expendeture and scrier, i pop scrier and just regenerate my toughness
but i get that i'll go q
im guessing i just build a bunch of crit and infinitely dodge on crit
ripe obsidian
Mettle will do more for you than Warp Expenditure
opaque pollen
mettle?
ripe obsidian
And as you said, Empathic Evasion is very good for crits
ripe obsidian
mettle?
+5% toughness on crit, per enemy hit, not per attack
Also a movespeed boost.
pale prairie
I don't take Quietude on any non-SG build, I believe. And even then I dislike it...
Wait you dislike quietude?!? All this time?!?
ripe obsidian
And most meleeker builds use Assail, so Mettle into Perfect Timing is a huge assail boost.
ripe obsidian
Wait you dislike quietude?!? All this time?!?
pale prairie
https://tenor.com/view/am-i-have-no-mouth-and-i-must-scream-am-ihnmaims-am-hate-...
wow >: (
ripe obsidian
It is directed at Quietude
ripe obsidian
I think I use Quietude solely on BCoB+SG builds, because it makes each kill worth like 4 more toughness
pale prairie
Anyone crashing ?
I haven’t booted today yet. But I have to say I am not mocking you but your name and this problem make me chuckle a little
ripe obsidian
Keep crashing and I’ve never crashed before
You have too many buffs
They fixed the buff bar, only they didn't
pale prairie
That’s a good point do you have the better buff management mod?
ripe obsidian
They made it worse than either Better Buff Management or Uptime, both of which fixed the issue.
pale prairie
I am wondering if there is interference
ripe obsidian
Fatshark broke it in a new and exciting way
last shore
No I don’t have these mods
I tried the temp fix mod
Still crashed
So it’s not really doing shit
opaque pollen
i thought most meleeker builds used head explodey splode
pale prairie
i thought most meleeker builds used head explodey splode
No most use assail cause you want right side talents
marble crater
Ogryn checking again if someone stole their fingers
ripe obsidian
i thought most meleeker builds used head explodey splode
Assail Weave helps kill things and keeps peril high
pale prairie
i thought most meleeker builds used head explodey splode
Also the assail pairs well with melee cause you can clear some space with swings/push and dodge back, then switch to assail throw a couple or 4 to get peril up and benefit from the weapon switching talent then go back to melee weapon
jovial juniper
Ogryn checking again if someone stole their fingers
Alternative universe where he checks his genes
"Lots of gene thieves around"
opaque pollen
oh
white valley
Assail also helps conserve ammo
pale prairie
Ogryn checking again if someone stole their fingers
It’s Fatshark trying to patch without breaking something
They are an Ogryn I now realize
white valley
Since assail is way better against general shooters than bb
summer prairie
Temp fix definitely fixed the crash under some circumstances. There's also an update
marble crater
Double warbonds? 
fresh panther
Why can't I pay $10/month for a subscription to darktide content like helldivers 
brave drift
this means they take 6% more warp damage per stack right?
white valley
this means they take 6% more warp damage per stack right?
Correct, up to 30%
pale prairie
Why can't I pay $10/month for a subscription to darktide content like helldivers...
Honestly I’d probably do it
summer prairie
It's more because it's multiplicative
pale prairie
Correct, up to 30%
Don’t forget the most broken talent in the tree…..
Perilous assault
white valley
Perilous assault and souldrinker should swap places
ripe obsidian
this means they take 6% more warp damage per stack right?
I want to emphasize that this is a debuff per enemy, not a buff to you.
opaque pollen
assail does feel better than brain rupture
white valley
Like many talents
And blessings and general fatshark descriptions
gray juniper
In other words, you’ll notice it kind of sucks using it
ripe obsidian
There's no merit to hiding these things from players.
It's not meant to be a mystery.
If this were Blue Prince or Disco Elysium or something, sure, hide mechanics for the player to discover.
But this is just bad documentation
gray juniper
It’s far too enigmatic
marble crater
If people already know what talents do, they will spend less time playing the game to find out 
zealous wing
my brain is so fried from today i cant form questions 😭
ripe obsidian
I already spend less time playing to look through code
And make spreadsheets
I need to make a spreadsheet of damage multipliers for @buoyant maple . Probably going to do that tonight
marble crater
my brain is so fried from today i cant form questions 😭
What maelstrom does to people... Sad
white valley
There's that new humongous spreadsheet made by Reginald
ripe obsidian
I don't have any idea what that spreadsheet is. I have never watched his stuff
Or any Darktide youtuber, really
zealous wing
i give up 
back to staring at the talent tree
white valley
It compares clear times of weapons against specific scenarios
white valley
Mk6 afaik
polar flower
ripe obsidian
Mk6 has much better heavies. Mk8 has somewhat better horde clear.
opaque pollen
eh i have enough horde clear with lights, i need heavies to deal with certain enemies
white valley
The poke heavy is crazy
ripe obsidian
Which is why Mk6 is better
opaque pollen
😄
ripe obsidian
Mk8 has a better poke as the push attack followup, but it's slow to get out
radiant frigate
mk6 also has access to strikedown-type attacks from any point of its combos
pale prairie
If people already know what talents do, they will spend less time playing the ga...
Oh geez this is how they got Six
opaque pollen
i just entered a match and all 4 of us got knocked off the ledge at once
ripe obsidian
Oh geez this is how they got Six
Now I spend more time in the code and making spreadsheets and fighting the fucking optimization than playing.
ripe obsidian
i just entered a match and all 4 of us got knocked off the ledge at once
Snow map?
marble crater
Was there some weird dude standing around, talking to you?
marble crater
Yeah that's the snow map
opaque pollen
fiddle sticks
marble crater
jovial juniper
which greatsword mark is better?
Up to preference
pale prairie
Now I spend more time in the code and making spreadsheets and fighting the fucki...
Much sad
white valley
Clandestium Gloriana is the map
ripe obsidian
I don't know why Mk8's push attack heavy is stronger. It appears to be the same damage profile.
But I could swear it does like 15% more damage than Mk6 H2
Gonna have to test again
radiant frigate
it is stronger because it is the only real way the mk8 has to get into a single target sequence
and push attack is time tax
ripe obsidian
I'm looking at the code, I mean
They both have a damage profile of heavy_force_sword_stab_2h
Unless I am missing something, which I probably am. Does the Mk8 have a higher base damage, maybe?
The Mk6 stab sets the power_level to 425. That might be lower? Not sure how that mechanic works, honestly.
Okay, it looks like the default is 500. So 425 would actually be 15% lower. This is convoluted.
opaque pollen
i just hit thing and it die and i hit thing harder if it got more hp
and crit go brrrr
ripe obsidian
I need to test this in-game. I can't tell if the overall weapon rank impacts damage or not. It maybe does.
opaque pollen
well i leveled up my greatsword and it didnt seem to affect the numbers
ripe obsidian
Yeah, this is why I am confused.
I can't tell if power_level is just always at 500 unless modified, or if it's tied to the weapon rating
opaque pollen
i think its just showing how powerful a weapon is. like all damage numbers are gonna be the same but a power level 80 weapon isnt going to have 2 blessings and 2 stats and all that. but an orange rarity would
wait
you can have a like power level 200 weapon and it be orange
pale prairie
Exploding definitely counts
zealous wing
lmao
pale prairie
I think I heard 80 and above
zealous wing
so for KF i'd want to hover around 60 to 80
zealous wing
flayer
pale prairie
I think for this it means 100%/you’re about to explode
That way you can’t benefit from any kind of peril venting talents like battlemeditation proccing on the elite kill and saving your life
fresh reef
I think for this it means 100%/you’re about to explode
Critical peril is 97.5%, to be technical
zealous wing
so then trying to hover around 85 might be better for this build
i was told as high as im comfortable with, but, looking at the tree, too high
pale prairie
If it’s an EK build you are wanting to squeeze every cast you can before having to vent
Really with any staff
zealous wing
i like to think im taking the change back to staff ok
tap quell, attack, tap quell, attack, if something big then go lower than just a tap
but, if i dont need to hover 95, why hurt myself
marble crater
If you take Empyric Resolve you can tap quell, attack, attack, attack, attack, tap quell, attack, attack, attack
pale prairie
dom is making me learn this tree
That’s a good one BUT I do wonder if In Fire Reborn is better since you have so much flames on this build
Oh wait never mind elite damage aura
gray juniper
I think that’s for an EK staff use
zealous wing
idk i was told to make this tree and taken to auric maelstrom so honestly im still a lil lost
and yeah EK
pale prairie
I think that’s for an EK staff use
Doesn’t matter. If I am shrieking every like 14 sec and have wildfire and Pc. That’s a lot of enemies with fire stacks on them. They just have to die with the fire stack
marble crater
idk i was told to make this tree and taken to auric maelstrom so honestly im sti...
Listening to dom should be fine 
you are in very good, rough, hands
pale prairie
Listening to dom should be fine <:thumbsup_ogryn:1063452727302180926> you are in...
Lmao “rough”
white valley
Okay, it looks like the default is 500. So 425 would actually be 15% lower. This...
It's really weird but yeah 500 seems to be default, the weapon changes we got recently mention attacks being buffed with modifiers of 550 and the like
marble crater
It's true
I guess you can exchange rough for blunt
If you are a shitter, he will tell you, I should know
zealous wing
supposedly im doing well but it doesnt feel like it
pale prairie
If you are a shitter, he will tell you, I should know <:Sitgryn:1016269420638765...
🫂
pale prairie
supposedly im doing well but it doesnt feel like it
That will take time to fade and honestly if it does that’s where the gatekeeping comes in so maybe best you don’t feel uber self confident. Let’s you stay curious and wonder about new builds
zealous wing
i miss emotional support revolver
plucky flax
If you are a shitter, he will tell you, I should know <:Sitgryn:1016269420638765...
ye u
gray juniper
Mine for EK looks similar to that because how you’ll operate. You’re going to target a lot of elites and be on the staff about half the time or more. He wants you to take elite damage buff and use vent sparingly so you can stay on staff longer and kill more precisely with it. It should work out that you manage to kill enough elites and mobs that psychic vampire works over warp fire dependence as you won’t be using it as much.
zealous wing
but i was told this is necessary
plucky flax
Please no flame <:Sitgryn:1016269420638765107>
Sry Karien took over my account.
gray juniper
Doesn’t matter. If I am shrieking every like 14 sec and have wildfire and Pc. Th...
His instructions were to use vent as needed rather than immediately and keep the damage stacks up from ws
Or so i believe
marble crater
Sry Karien took over my account.
I understand
pale prairie
His instructions were to use vent as needed rather than immediately and keep the...
Yeah I guess If the goal is to learn peril edging that makes sense
gray juniper
i miss emotional support revolver
The higher you get the shittier it becomes because ammo economy
zealous wing
ik :(
pale prairie
I guess why not take from wildfire and get warp battery if it’s about staff damage and not vent
zealous wing
but, i can still take the build into uprising and malice whenever i want and succeed, so i can get it out of my system there at least
ripe obsidian
90-100, or 95-100?
97%
zealous wing
ye
zealous wing
I guess why not take from wildfire and get warp battery if it’s about staff dama...
this is what i was trying to ask earlier and brain failed
warp battery specifically
ripe obsidian
dom is making me learn this tree
Vampire over IFR when using Wildfire? Madman.
pale prairie
Alright so is this a waste of talents if I am losing out on +15 toughness and Quick Shards all to get Anticipation?
zealous wing
it was for havoc and maelstrom
ripe obsidian
+15 Toughness is better
ripe obsidian
You need 80% peril for OwtW to be better than +15 toughness.
pale prairie
Yeah I remember your math Six I am looking for reassurance
ripe obsidian
Here's how often I am at 80% or higher
If this one is accurate
Might not be. It has bad Warp Siphon values
Hold on
pale prairie
warp battery specifically
It’s good to ask these questions for sure
pale prairie
Oh, that is the same one twice
So consistent!
ripe obsidian
gray juniper
You need 80% peril for OwtW to be better than +15 toughness.
I need to remember to change this too
ripe obsidian
Rough estimate, I am at 80%+ peril 25% of the game
white valley
So would you say empathic evasion is far better than owtw?
ripe obsidian
It's really weird but yeah 500 seems to be default, the weapon changes we got re...
I have no idea why the power level system even exists if it's almost entirely static. >:(
Oh yeah. EE is way better
I'm usually at like 40% crit rate on Inferno
white valley
Hmmm
ripe obsidian
EE uptime is also around 25%, so immune to ranged damage a quarter of the game
white valley
I will have to give it a try, although I do run bubble
gray juniper
So would you say empathic evasion is far better than owtw?
If used with the inferno staff you can almost guarantee standing in place while spraying because it activates so often
white valley
It's still 10% tdr even at 0 peril though
ripe obsidian
I will briefly recap my math
gray juniper
warp battery specifically
You may or may not find it beneficial depending on how long you manage to hold on to your vents. It’s all dependent on that
zealous wing
currently, i've needed the vent desperately and it was a mere second or two from saving my life
usually less
gray juniper
Btw if you happened to watch my kill cam don’t copy anything to specific I did. I’ve come back from a break and haven’t used voidblast in a long time. It was all shits and giggles play
pale prairie
You may or may not find it beneficial depending on how long you manage to hold o...
But if the goal is to not vent for as long as possible then having more charges should be possible especially with parasite. Then you’ll have it back faster cause of the cooldown making up for the no cooldown aura
zealous wing
the only thing i know to do with voidblast, if i use it, is knock crushers over 
otherwise, i havent used it much
gray juniper
currently, i've needed the vent desperately and it was a mere second or two fro...
That’s ok that’s what it’s there for. Long as you play smart and manage to increase the cool down. Hit elites for kills when it’s advantagous
pale prairie
Btw if you happened to watch my kill cam don’t copy anything to specific I did. ...
Wouldn’t want to anyway it’s gonna be a lot of dirt watching if you’re using voidblast hehehehe
marble crater
Btw if you happened to watch my kill cam don’t copy anything to specific I did. ...
Washed
gray juniper
Wouldn’t want to anyway it’s gonna be a lot of dirt watching if you’re using voi...
Gah damn just speak your mind a little more why don’t you
pale prairie
Gah damn just speak your mind a little more why don’t you
Look it’s not my fault the glowing blue circle requires you to be hunched over all match
ripe obsidian
It's still 10% tdr even at 0 peril though
If it's between +15 toughness and OwtW, you need 80% peril for OwtW to be better.
My base toughness in Havoc is usually 90 or 100, give or take. With +49% toughness from curios, a +15 node is 22.5 toughness, pushing me to 112.5.
OwtW needs to be at 25% to match that. But it can't be at exactly that, as it scales 4.6% every 20 peril. 0 is 10%, 20 is 14.6, 40 is 19.2, 60 is 23.8, 80 is 28.4, and 100 is 33.
So 60% is approximately 21.4 effective toughness, which is slightly lower than a +15 node. 80 is about 25.7 effective toughness, and 100 peril is 29.7. If you are at 80% or higher often, OwtW is more effective toughness. If you are not, +15 is.
The math changes slightly depending on curios and builds.
gray juniper
the only thing i know to do with voidblast, if i use it, is knock crushers over ...
It was all practice anyway yea? All good. I wanted to switch to ek or inferno but that would’ve ruined the point
gray juniper
Look it’s not my fault the glowing blue circle requires you to be hunched over a...
Do you have cameras in my house?!
ripe obsidian
In non-havoc, OwtW is better.
white valley
If it's between +15 toughness and OwtW, you need 80% peril for OwtW to be better...
Ahh, okay good stuff, ty
ripe obsidian
Happy to help
pale prairie
Do you have cameras in my house?!
Nah I’ve just played voidblast before hahaha
ripe obsidian
Reject maths.
I'll subtract you.
plucky flax
gray juniper
S-six… put down the brain burst
ripe obsidian
Thanks Six for your dedication to the truth
graceful arch
Embrace vibe.
Nah you have to know your effective tdr and effective toughness at all times.
ripe obsidian
A lie can travel halfway around the world before the truth gets its boots on.
pale prairie
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Truth_(novel)
Such a fantastic novel and my recommendation to anyone wanting to get into terry pratchet
gray juniper
Nah you have to know your effective tdr and effective toughness at all times.
Name: no life
The post:
checks out
marble crater
Damn
pale prairie
Yeah Agent has decided to just get rid of all UI and dodge and swing based on vibes
Even just turns off audio and listens to chill tunes
pale prairie
https://tenor.com/view/fight-me-fighting-boy-fight-angry-angry-boy-gif-19938137
It’s a great staff I just hate the situational awareness sacrifice to be great
zealous wing
imagine the chaos in the barrel event
pale prairie
Hey so you get taken into havoc anymore?
zealous wing
so many flying psykers
marble crater
Hey so you get taken into havoc anymore?
No and nobody can force me either
white valley
Yeah Agent has decided to just get rid of all UI and dodge and swing based on vi...
Based
ripe obsidian
The way TDR works is actually a sub-1 multiplier. So toughness_damage_taken = 0.95 or what have you. It stacks multiplicatively. I am not sure how that affects things. I will ponder.
white valley
It’s a great staff I just hate the situational awareness sacrifice to be great
Voidblast makes your eyes work like a chameleon's
Gotta look at the floor and in front of you at the same time
And be veeery careful with poxbursters
white valley
The way TDR works is actually a sub-1 multiplier. So toughness_damage_taken = 0....
Afaik all DR is multiplicative, including DR from curios
pale prairie
Gotta look at the floor and in front of you at the same time
AND FORGOT BEHIND SHIIIIIIIIIT
white valley
A zealot with enduring faith and benediction has 57.5% TDR iirc
white valley
AND FORGOT BEHIND SHIIIIIIIIIT
Just explode your feet to knock down what's behind you
ripe obsidian
Afaik all DR is multiplicative, including DR from curios
It is, as far as I am aware.
pale prairie
Just explode your feet to knock down what's behind you
It looks so funny in game. Just a psyker hunched over panic exploding their feet
ripe obsidian
But the multiplicative nature of it makes the math unintuitive
zealous wing
btw how exactly does the havoc level work? i saw that if you fail 3 times you go down one, any penalty for not playing it at all?
white valley
Nah it's simple
ripe obsidian
Like, a 20% damage resist versus gunners is functionally 25% more HP versus gunners
So stacking gunner resist is not actually diminishing returns
gray juniper
btw how exactly does the havoc level work? i saw that if you fail 3 times you go...
If you don’t make an attempt for a week it will go down one level
white valley
Like, a 20% damage resist versus gunners is functionally 25% more HP versus gunn...
That is assuming you have 0 DR before the curio DR
ripe obsidian
2 gunner resist curios are about 156% EHP v Gunners, 3 is 195%
white valley
Huh
ripe obsidian
This might mean OwtW is slightly better than I think. Hence the pondering
white valley
But 3 curios is like 48% DR
ripe obsidian
Yeah, 48% resist is 195% HP, since you're taking about half damage
pale prairie
Like, a 20% damage resist versus gunners is functionally 25% more HP versus gunn...
I have actually converted to the gunner resist since I am using SG
ripe obsidian
As I said, unintuitive
If you had 66% resist, it would be effectively 300% HP versus gunners
white valley
Yeah you're right that makes sense
pale prairie
If you had 66% resist, it would be effectively 300% HP versus gunners
Hot take gunner resist should effect basic shooters
ripe obsidian
I have actually converted to the gunner resist since I am using SG
Gunner resist is nice. Some folks say that you don't need it if you're good enough. I need it.
white valley
Hot take gunner resist should effect basic shooters
Would be wonderful but probably too strong
gray juniper
Hot take gunner resist should effect basic shooters
That’s not hot. I wish it was true
Frustration with those fucks just made me double up on hp and tuff
white valley
Gunner resist is nice. Some folks say that you don't need it if you're good enou...
Community has gone back and forth on it so many times
pale prairie
Gunner resist is nice. Some folks say that you don't need it if you're good enou...
Behind Toughness, health, and CDR I think it’s the best option so I’ll take some more grace for my slide game
loud girder
those who dont need gunner resist can probably slide dodge perfectly at 100% rate and those people dont exist
pale prairie
Would be wonderful but probably too strong
I mean it doesn’t protect me from melee…..
white valley
I mean it doesn’t protect me from melee…..
No but it would reduce damage taken by 7 different units
zealous wing
ok i know the brain rupture is in this build for flayer, and i do understand why thats good, but,could i feasably get away with a smite version of it for if i get surrounded? the vent is not nearly enough to help me out of a corner, and i otherwise have no defence other than my deimos with deflector
white valley
ok i know the brain rupture is in this build for flayer, and i do understand why...
No smites
And no capes
pale prairie
No but it would reduce damage taken by 7 different units
From 7 different? Dreg gunner, moebian gunner, who am I missing?
Oh you’re saying in combination with the elites
white valley
From 7 different? Dreg gunner, moebian gunner, who am I missing?
Reaper, plus the 4 basic shooters
pale prairie
Reaper, plus the 4 basic shooters
Look it says gunner on the tin and those guys shoot lmao
brazen compass
Gunner but not lasmen 
pale prairie
I get it but honestly I feel like the big big groups of basic shooters could still overcome it
zealous wing
if im not using BR itself anyway for much at all, if at all, i essentally have no blitz, feels like im a tool short
pale prairie
Gunner but not lasmen <a:CL0_WeSmartGif:393769025806663681>
SHIT
jovial juniper
why no smite 😭
Smite is too, too good
It builds bad habits
Specially the habit of getting shot
pale prairie
ok i know the brain rupture is in this build for flayer, and i do understand why...
Smite doesn’t help you in a corner. It just further cements you to the corner
zealous wing
so if im already in the moshpit im dead anyway
pale prairie
But I think I was wrong
pale prairie
so if im already in the moshpit im dead anyway
Exactly it’s better for future gameplay to practice and predict good positioning than to have something to bail you out of bad decision making
white valley
why no smite 😭
Smite teaches you INCREDIBLY BAD habits, and it is simultaneously too strong and garbage
pale prairie
Also vent is stopping you from exploding
pale prairie
so if im already in the moshpit im dead anyway
Switch to melee and practice your future bubble knight dreams
pale prairie
Well, I remathed and will need to test in game
Fuck what about?
ripe obsidian
How good OwtW is. I didn't factor in the stacking with other 5% nodes.
And I think my build has 3 of them
I am the fool
what if OwtW new meta
ripe obsidian
jovial juniper
Gunner resist is nice. Some folks say that you don't need it if you're good enou...
I've come to accept that my hubris will be my downfall
I either kill the gunner
Or die
No in between
zealous wing
i'm starting to see why some of yall need 20+ build profiles
white valley
Nowadays I run 3xCDR, 3xtoughness, 2xgunner and 1x stam regen on my psyker curios
ripe obsidian
I use 3x CDR, 3x toughness, 3x gunners
buoyant maple
white valley
@zealous wing to elaborate a bit on smite, smite offers poor damage output but basically shuts down enemy AI, this generally makes missions easier but slower, and boring for your teammates, it is also completely useless against bosses and during modifiers that provide CC immunity such as Nurgle's Blessing and Final Toll
ripe obsidian
Yeah, 90 toughness with 3x 5% nodes is 85.7% toughness damage taken. Gotta apply that to both sides
I will return
zealous wing
personally i'd prefer assail, but, that cant be swapped as easily in this tree as BR and Smite coulda been. ah well
pain it is
zealous wing
ye
white valley
BR always has a place as a tool to snipe bombers, snipers, and the like
pale prairie
personally i'd prefer assail, but, that cant be swapped as easily in this tree a...
The EK staff gives you everything you need. It has CC it has damage, and it has a long range bullet. You will be fine!
zealous wing
my goal was a utility build to begin with, but i was told to never even touch BR on this build
white valley
Although personally with EK I'd run assail
zealous wing
i'd hardly call 2 targets at a time CC 😭
white valley
But I never play EK anyways kek
ripe obsidian
Okay. Math is mathed.
The proper breakpoint is 40% peril.
ripe obsidian
+15 is better at 59% or lower peril
OwtW is better at 60% or higher
At least with 90 base toughness
pale prairie
i'd hardly call 2 targets at a time CC 😭
It’s quite a lot if you’re shifting targets and have the blessing reducing cast time
You don’t even need to full cast if you’re scared and need space
pale prairie
Okay. Math is mathed.
The proper breakpoint is 40% peril.
Damn you’ve made me change back
: (
ripe obsidian
Not accounting for other boosts:
(90 + 22.5) / 0.857 for the smol TDR nodes is 131.272 effective toughness.
90 / (0.857 * 808) = 130.06 at 40% peril.
90 / (0.857 * 0.762) = 137.83 at 60%
90 / (0.857 * 0.716) = 146.67 at 80% peril.
Then 156.74 at 100% peril.
But you do need 3x smol TDR nodes for that math to math
If you're going CDR aura, you have 2 guaranteed.
A third is guaranteed from Warp Siphon
zealous wing
k the range on vent is surprisingly large
ripe obsidian
The only other one I see is next to Assail
ripe obsidian
k the range on vent is surprisingly large
30m, I think
pale prairie
k the range on vent is surprisingly large
It’s wonderful
tulip kettle
ok i know the brain rupture is in this build for flayer, and i do understand why...
hey hexis, you certainly could! but smite is frowned on for a few reasons, and as you get into harder and harder content is going to do less and less for you
and yes, vent is 30m
in a cone
zealous wing
ye im in the psykanium atm
tulip kettle
a big part of your "clearing power" against hordes on this build comes from you shrieking a horde then killing a few elites with your staff
zealous wing
and yeah smite isnt super versatile but, trying to figure out a "i got thrown into a crowd" solution
zealous wing
skissue ik
tulip kettle
take stock
marble crater
hey hexis, you certainly could! but smite is frowned on for a few reasons, and a...
Yeah, good job getting rid of these smyker ideas early on 
tulip kettle
dodge to safety
and dont forget
with any force sword, you can "push attack" stuff
and it will throw it away from you
ripe obsidian
With only 2 5% TDR nodes, you still need 80% peril for OwtW to beat +15
marble crater
You should always push attack bursters, to throw them as far away as possible
tulip kettle
it only hits 1 target, but say you were trapped in by crushers, you could try to push attack one to make a gap for yourself
the biggest thing for survivng on psyker is not getting into that position in the first place
its all about positioning and moving correctly as best you can to avoid those things becoming problems and getting surrounded
zealous wing
while reading this i hear soul blaze crack some unsuspecting souls skull. didnt know that counted as an attack 
tulip kettle
yes indeed!
and thats a big part of one of the hidden combos you have
its actually "kinetic flayer" doing that
which is why we took it
zealous wing
ye
tulip kettle
so when you shriek at a big blob with some elites and trash at high peril
pale prairie
With only 2 5% TDR nodes, you still need 80% peril for OwtW to beat +15
What about 3?
tulip kettle
everything will get 6 stacks of blaze
tulip kettle
then KF will pop one of the elites
and all the stuff around gets another 3 stacks because of perilous combustion
and now everything just burns
marble crater
ripe obsidian
Actually, I am wrong again. OwtW is lerped, not flat like Warp Rider.
Wait. Warp Rider is also lerped.
What isn't? Warp Nexus?
I am living a lie.
zealous wing
poor six
pale prairie
Actually, I am wrong again. OwtW is `lerped`, not flat like Warp Rider.
Wait. W...
I thought I followed his math and now I am left confused
ripe obsidian
OwtW with 90 base toughness and 3x 5% TDR nodes beats +15 toughness at 43.48% peril.
OwtW with 100 toughness and 3x 5% TDR nodes beats +15 toughness at 36.38% peril.
upper sun
you think fatshark has a cheatsheet with all their variables on it
ripe obsidian
upper sun
and they have to reprint it 5 times a day because they keep losing it
pale prairie
https://tenor.com/view/thanos-memoji-gif-23490017
marble crater
I'm worried Six might peril irl because of trying to understand the game
pale prairie
and they have to reprint it 5 times a day because they keep losing it
That’s how they patch things. “This won’t break any branches….. I mean I should check but we lost the cheat sheet……eh it’s time for vacation.” pushes code
ripe obsidian
I thought I followed his math and now I am left confused
lerped means it's a sliding scale with a minimum and maximum potential value rather than fixed steps
upper sun
I'm worried Six might peril irl because of trying to understand the game
its ok it happens to everyone i once tried to look for the second target damage profile for surge staff for 3 hours
marble crater
pale prairie
`lerped` means it's a sliding scale with a minimum and maximum potential value r...
So it has realtime decimals rather than fucking set benchmarks. That’s so much more complicated
ripe obsidian
Yeah. I thought it was stepped every 20%
upper sun
That’s how they patch things. “This won’t break any branches….. I mean I should ...
branches? dawg they dont do git they just have a flash drive with the master that goes around the office
pale prairie
branches? dawg they dont do git they just have a flash drive with the master tha...
Hahahahahahhahaa
tulip kettle
for warp rider? or OWtW?
pale prairie
“Hey it’s my turn to have the hard disk!!!!”
pale prairie
for warp rider? or OWtW?
Both apparently
tulip kettle
yeah they are both linear increases
ripe obsidian
its ok it happens to everyone i once tried to look for the second target damage ...
I can give you that. I know how that works. In theory.
ripe obsidian
yeah they are both linear increases
I was Mistaken.
upper sun
I can give you that. I know how that works. In theory.
🚬 can you?
most i got was it being 25% of the main target damage and capped to 376~
white valley
So owtw is a bit better than initially thought because it scales linearly
pale prairie
https://tenor.com/view/homelo-homer-crazy-jester-simpsons-gif-16118768
A fool wouldn’t have corrected their mistake by themselves on their own lmao
tulip kettle
six doing a karien
pale prairie
So my talent tree has been perfect all this time
zealous wing
new meta just dropped 🗣️
pale prairie
I'd estimate I'm over the breakpoint for OwtW maybe 70% of the time ingame
Yeah if the fucking mod isn’t out of whack
tulip kettle
i mean honestly OWtW was always meta
ripe obsidian
I need a mod that tells me what my peril is at any point in the game.
white valley
I need a mod that tells me what my peril is at any point in the game.
You have eyes and the Ui for that
zealous wing
oh yeah dom btw, would warp battery be worth for the way you want me to practice?
pale prairie
i mean honestly OWtW was always meta
I feel that that’s because of position more than people really Knowing the numbers
tulip kettle
warp battery is great
ripe obsidian
I can maybe try to make that. I haven't modded before.
tulip kettle
but with the testing we have done, the issue with it is
ripe obsidian
You have eyes and the Ui for that
I mean a chart.
tulip kettle
you arent often going to be hitting the 5 or 6 charges
ripe obsidian
I want to know exactly what my peril is for the length of a game
tulip kettle
especially if you have to drop psychic vampire or wildfire
ripe obsidian
you arent often going to be hitting the 5 or 6 charges
I am making a spreadsheet for that.
tulip kettle
its better, in my opinion, to consistently have 4 charges than sometimes have 6
white valley
I mean a chart.
oh
zealous wing
tbh when i was on my old build i was capping out pretty often tbh, so its doable, though cant confirm on higher diffs than malice
tulip kettle
yeah it might feel that way, and its all about what you are doing
but look at it like this
with the build you have, getting those extra 2 charges is going to reduce the CD on your shriek by around 3 sconds
if you shriek when at 6 charges
white valley
My live reaction when my 6 warp charges reduce my ability's cooldown by 45%
pale prairie
I absolutely agree with not picking warp battery dom but I only suggested it cause I thought they were practicing peril management and not trying to maximize shriek uptime
tulip kettle
which is roughly equivalent to killing 2 elites
marble crater
Why take extra charges, when you can just kill more enemies and get the cooldown reduction with psy aura
zealous wing
the number of times i've already exploded right, and i mean RIGHT before the cooldown was over was just painful
maybe another cooldown on a curio then
tulip kettle
hahaha yeah that happens 🙂
you really should have all 3 with 4% CDR already yes
but i would suggest
pale prairie
12% is better than the aura
zealous wing
oh shit youre right 😭
tulip kettle
its better for you to learn to quell
tulip kettle
im sure!
zealous wing
shit hits the fan sometimes
tulip kettle
exactly
marble crater
Quell... more
tulip kettle
as i said earlier, i dont think the build is the issue
zealous wing
i have learned a better hover threshold tho
tulip kettle
its jus a practice thing
ripe obsidian
So far I have averaged like 4% more Shrieks per minute with Warp Battery than Wildfire
marble crater
as i said earlier, i dont think the build is the issue
In other words it is a...
pale prairie
i DO quell 😭
It’s not about quelling it’s about fighting the panic that says “I know my peril is high but the enemies are right there and I am scared”
zealous wing
looked at how KF actually worked, i need to be below 97 peril, so hovering at 95 was... not beneficial
lmao
tulip kettle
getting faster at swapping to your melee and quelling when you need is gonna go much further for you
white valley
So far I have averaged like 4% more Shrieks per minute with Warp Battery than Wi...
whynotboth.jpg
pale prairie
In other words it is a...
tulip kettle
yeah, with EK, what you can do outside ofhavoc
ripe obsidian
whynotboth.jpg
Because Kinetic Deflection is my safety blanket
tulip kettle
is quell to around 60%
then get to blastin
once you hit above 90 after a cast, back to quelling to 60
pale prairie
https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-jarvis-skill-issue-skill-issue-gif-24471438
Yeah saw this console player die to some pox walkers on an auric the other day……
marble crater
Yeah saw this console player die to some pox walkers on an auric the other day……
Probably couldn't turn around in time, fucking noob
tulip kettle
so you dont have to lose out on mobility to do it
white valley
Because Kinetic Deflection is my safety blanket
understandable, have a great day
Fun fact: different weapons have different block costs
pale prairie
You’re saying my weapons that have a DEFENSE stat have a different block cost?!?!
tulip kettle
you may have noticed in the game i played with voidblast, im tapping sprint, starting the slide, then charging the staff during the slide and releasing the blast at the end
pale prairie
The rejects need kneepads we slide so much
tulip kettle
press quell for a fraction of a second (outside of havoc even 1 "tick" of quell is gonna quell around 12 peril)
then doing it again
ripe obsidian
Fun fact: different weapons have different block costs
With KD or in general?
Because if it's with KD, I know how that works
white valley
You’re saying my weapons that have a DEFENSE stat have a different block cost?!?...
No, I am saying all of them do, including the ones without the defence stat
white valley
With KD or in general?
general
pale prairie
No, I am saying all of them do, including the ones without the defence stat
Yeah I know. I figured it out when I also realized the stamina was different too
white valley
Stamina is explicitly shown in the weapon stats though
pale prairie
Stamina is explicitly shown in the weapon stats though
It sure is but that made me deep dive stats of the weapons
ripe obsidian
It is difficult to say with certainty without a way to average my peril over the course of a game, but using super rough estimates, OwtW would be about 5.5 effective toughness more than +15.
white valley
Iirc, in general, swords tend to have low block costs, axes have high block costs, chain weapons have high block costs, blunt weapons have low block costs
pale prairie
It is difficult to say with certainty without a way to average my peril over the...
My life is a lie
white valley
Knives and cleavers have high block costs
duelling sword has amazingly low block costs
gray juniper
i have learned a better hover threshold tho
If you try to take bubble into moderate & up havocs as you feel about cooldown now, it would not be a fun time without improving your quell ability tbh
Btw did Dom tell you to specifically use the Deimos?
tulip kettle
i didnt, but they have it and are used to it and it works okay with the build
gray juniper
It’s not bad at all but I can see how the difficulty he faced is happening. He could stand to change his sword to something wider focused
tulip kettle
i think a MK6 FGS would be better for it tbh but lets not try to do too much at once 😅
pale prairie
The bootcamp goes in stages lmao
marble crater
What if illisi?
marble crater
Heretic
tulip kettle
it also doesnt deal with crushers
white valley
Obscurus is a good middle ground
gray juniper
then doing it again
This is the way @zealous wing
zealous wing
didnt like it either
white valley
Just use FGS
tulip kettle
at least deimos deals with crushers
and yes, sure, but hexis is used to the deimos, it does the job, offers good mobility, and has deflector
ripe obsidian
duelling sword has amazingly low block costs
marble crater
it also doesnt deal with crushers
You don't need to deal with crushers, if you know how to run away though. Also EK
tulip kettle
EK vs crushers poopoo
marble crater
Smh
tulip kettle
we have flak unyielding on the EK so it does what its meant to
which is kill every elite and specialist that isnt a crusher.
gray juniper
Yes multiple crushers turns into a game of hide & seek
That’s not optimal and binds you up while your team is getting pounded by something else
marble crater
Game of stunning those two, then the other two, then the first two again
gray juniper
Game of stunning those two, then the other two, then the first two again
True
tulip kettle
we have shriek for hordes, and the deimos for blocking defensively, poking crushers and poking muties
gray juniper
Still time consuming. I was EK to be great so bad. I was ek main forever, but admittedly it’s not goat
tulip kettle
hex said they liked EK, and they are used to deimos, so we went with those
really we are learning positioning and peril management at this stage
zealous wing
^
gray juniper
Deimos is also comparatively great against bulwarks also hexis
zealous wing
yis
marble crater
Still time consuming. I was EK to be great so bad. I was ek main forever, but ad...
EK is great though 
white valley
EK's live reaction when the humble voidblast shows up
tulip kettle
though EK splats the bulwarks
gray juniper
Use the push attack and attack them on the weak side which is their right
zealous wing
deimos kept me alive during the rotten armour event
tulip kettle
taking FGS to still kill crushers and muties but have better horde clear is great in theory, but giving up the extra mobility and blocking safety of deflector deimos is not a good choice rn
gray juniper
If you’re going to insist on Deimos, this is the way when in a corner; target the weakest enemies or less stacked and slice a path open to escape
marble crater
Don't be in the corner
ripe obsidian
🚬 can you?
pale prairie
If you’re going to insist on Deimos, this is the way when in a corner; target th...
False just scream at your teammates for help in VC
tulip kettle
yeah, in an ideal world you will be behind your team mates who are fighting the crushers
gray juniper
Should’ve been watching my back ofc
tulip kettle
killing all the specials and gunners while they deal with the armour
pale prairie
“I only died cause you guys suck but also are cheating to be so good. But you’re bad”
marble crater
If you don't watch your back this happens
gray juniper
Omg you stole the words out of my mouth
You must’ve played with those guys too. Huge cheaters btw
pale prairie
If you don't watch your back this happens
I always ensure a console player is at the back of the party. No one better at checking our 6.
tulip kettle
If you don't watch your back this happens
"woosh sound" - dodging is for cowards
brazen compass
If you don't watch your back this happens
Slotting 
tulip kettle
also dont forget blocking works in a 360 around you
just costs more to block at more oblique angles
gray juniper
If you don't watch your back this happens
I went down in the havoc we did because Dom went in the tunnel and nothing targeted him from the right, so I falsely assumed nothing was there. A crusher got a clean shot on me from behind @zealous wing
white valley
Remember to trash talk your team when you go down as a psyker
It's their fault for not babysitting you
pale prairie
I went down in the havoc we did because Dom went in the tunnel and nothing targe...
Lmao
marble crater
also dont forget blocking works in a 360 around you
Not against the shotgunner that shot me in the back sadly
pale prairie
gray juniper
Remember to trash talk your team when you go down as a psyker
So important 👆. This is pro moves info btw
pale prairie
Remember to trash talk your team when you go down as a psyker
Really any class this is important especially arbiter
white valley
If your ogryn isn't always within 5 meters? Call them useless and say they're not getting any rations
brazen compass
Honestly?
If my Ogryn is close, that pisses me off 
He should be the one charging ahead with whoever else, hell, leading the charge
Even with Taunt
tulip kettle
upper sun
https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/72cde1c088677d22b3830d968...
random_damage = {
{
max = 1.1,
min = 0.9,
},
{
max = 1,
min = 0.5,
},
{
max = 0.5,
min = 0.25,
},
{
max = 0.5,
min = 0.25,
},
},
i am going to
im gonna vomit
strong gulch
EK vs crushers poopoo
I hope it gets buffed. If EK didn't have the CC and mobility that it does, it'd be super poopoo. final toll echoing in the distance
brazen compass
Don't need to worry about the spark'ead if the armor train is derailed, right? 
strong gulch
Also hi
tulip kettle
hey 🙂
marble crater
Hi, buff blaze trauma
tulip kettle
welcome back, good sleep?
upper sun
btw backfill is still broken
white valley
He should be the one charging ahead with whoever else, hell, *leading* the charg...
Depends a bit but you're mostly right
tulip kettle
i get unreasonably mad when im playing inferno psyker and my ogryn is hiding behind me hitting poxwalkers coming from the back
upper sun
https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/fatshark/optimized/3X/0/8/08859ee08484a61bc6aa2e068fe2a1ad414c2596_2_1035x582.jpeg
https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/fatshark/original/3X/f/9/f94802824340b304ac625f88d383771841d022ac.jpeg
started game with one bot ended it 15 min later with two bots
gray juniper
<:Guarded:972247035128447086>
REST ASSURED. I cleaned up the error nicely. Still on one wound, the beast of nurgle died and as its body was still deteriorating I ran inside and got hit by the captain who I didn’t know was there and died immediately
brazen compass
He should be watching his back yes, and the backs of your team, but everyone should be
upper sun
no one joined from the start
tulip kettle
"is scary up front boss"
white valley
i get unreasonably mad when im playing inferno psyker and my ogryn is hiding beh...
I get mad if anyone is doing that, not just ogryn
even worse during bosses
marble crater
REST ASSURED. I cleaned up the error nicely. Still on one wound, the beast of nu...
Good job
white valley
like my sibling in the emperor, I am cleaning the trash so you can focus the damn boss, so focus the damn boss instead of hitting poxwalkers with your shovel
tulip kettle
sometimes its so noticeable
everyone doing everything they can to avoid having to fight the boss
we played a game with 2 shroudfield users and it was so CANCEROUS
brazen compass
Played with a Shieldgryn in H40 earlier doing exactly this
ripe obsidian
random_damage = {
{
max = 1.1,
min = 0.9,
...
Roll a die to see if they die.
strong gulch
welcome back, good sleep?
I think I actually got some rest. I woke up under 40lbs of cats tho.
marble crater
You don't like getting aggro dumped on you?
brazen compass
Like dude, your shield ain't doing shit
strong gulch
3 cats
brazen compass
I did over double his damage and topped boss damage
tulip kettle
then said kitty needs a diet 😂
brazen compass
Using evis Zealot 
tulip kettle
You don't like getting aggro dumped on you?
i actually got a bit toxic in text chat to em
STOP FUCKING DUMPING AGGRO
tulip kettle
im there fighting a cspawn and they both just dip
marble crater
STOP FUCKING DUMPING AGGRO
Chances are, they don't even know what that is and that they are doing it, they are a zealot after all
zealous wing
i think they were vets, at least one was
tulip kettle
one was a vet 😭
marble crater
Don't think vet stealth works as aggro dumping
tulip kettle
it does
zealous wing
well tell that to the PO
gray juniper
Stealth vet dumps aggro
marble crater
Then someone lied to me
gray juniper
The clever stealth vet user
tulip kettle
were playing extra monsters and they consistently just dumped aggro and ran away
strong gulch
lol what
gray juniper
Wow that’s weak af
tulip kettle
i just wanted to play funny exec stance bolter go brr build
we went back to shout after that game -.-
upper sun
who wants to play guess how clad died?
strong gulch
Jump scare
upper sun
perfectly balanced class btw
upper sun
also balanced
if you guessed ||fucked up a sniper shot and died to an overhead from the back|| then you are right
strong gulch
who wants to play guess how clad died?
you fell
strong gulch
the trapper taking the sniper's place
upper sun
i need 150fov
strong gulch
the ominous rock on the right of your screen
crusher about to hug Clad
upper sun
thats it buying an ultra wide monitor
marble crater
That won't save you
gray juniper
the trapper taking the sniper's place
This game has so much trolling in it
strong gulch
This game has so much trolling in it <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
yes
gray juniper
That won't save you
True that crusher never skipped run day
zealous wing
testing FGS now, its slower than id like but i can see the appeal
marble crater
It's best on melee/gun psyker
gray juniper
testing FGS now, its slower than id like but i can see the appeal
The upside is you won’t need to run as much
So slow is less hampering than you’d think
zealous wing
i'd have to run it through a combat test me thinks
need to get its mastery up but, thanks the the auric i hae plenty of dockets for that
tulip kettle
😄
MK6 is king
if youre on console, its gonna be light - light - block cancel loop for hordes
chain heavies for the big stuff
zealous wing
PC
tulip kettle
on PC with mods you can use swap cancelling on a macro instead of block cancelling
bit faster
zealous wing
dont have mods 
weary idol
block canceling is the slower option anyways
marble crater
mods cheats
weary idol
manually weapon swapping is faster
tulip kettle
yes indeed but manually swapping requires you to make 2 more inputs
with a finger that is used for movement
gray juniper
i'd have to run it through a combat test me thinks
tulip kettle
block cancelling works just fine
and is actually better than swap cancelling on MK8
ARE WE GAMING?!?
zealous wing
😭 LET ME LEVEL IT UP FIRST
gray juniper
No auric I swear to gawd
ripe obsidian
random_damage = {
{
max = 1.1,
min = 0.9,
...
Pretty sure the zapstick is the only thing with random damage
marble crater
I can play, if I don't have to talk 
tulip kettle
ofc you dont have to talk
zealous wing
got it to level 12 from sacrificing the RNG ones getting the warp res 60
ripe obsidian
It's the only thing with random_damage, at least
gray juniper
I can play, if I don't have to talk <:angymorrow:1062670568916267038>
Well welll well look who just said he’s free anyway
strong gulch
Pretty sure the zapstick is the only thing with random damage
testing with it is such a time
strong gulch
ARE WE GAMING?!?
I can play but I need a few minutes
tulip kettle
no worries 🙂
strong gulch
cat is being baby
zealous wing
we've got time
tulip kettle
swaddle it
gray juniper
I clearly need to get some games in because I fell off over a short break
marble crater
Smh
gray juniper
You know me. Dependable trash 
marble crater
Maybe I play zealot I wanted to test evis after the buff
gray juniper
It’s good tbh
wispy bay
Someone will carry me H40 tonight?
tulip kettle
Sleepy baby
gray juniper
I don’t know what agent or sin do different but these are the only smooth EU cross-server experience I’ve had in havoc
wispy bay
UK is a land of its own.
strong gulch
Ok cat seems to have gone away
tulip kettle
we got them transatlantic cables up the wazoo
marble crater
I don’t know what agent or sin do different but these are the only smooth EU cro...
Cheats
tulip kettle
🙄
strong gulch
wispy bay
It is still down for me...
marble crater
we got them transatlantic cables up the wazoo
he declined me
tulip kettle
moi?
gray juniper
<:Sitgryn:1016269420638765107> he declined me
Yea who?
near gale
https://tenor.com/view/discord-gif-27684109
marble crater
Dom
tulip kettle
its because i hate you obviously
marble crater
I knew it
wispy bay
At least it is mutual
zealous wing
ok blessings and perks. should i go with deflector on this too so i have familiarity among the chaos or nah?
tulip kettle
nope
zealous wing
blazing spirit for this build?
zealous wing
SOBBING
strong gulch
I got steam back. There room for a 4th?
zealous wing
k perks
tulip kettle
cara and maniac/unyielding
zealous wing
kk
zealous wing
ill go with maniac for now, since, im not the one killing monstrosities
marble crater
oh I might be the looser
Sad
gray juniper
ill go with maniac for now, since, im not the one killing monstrosities
Works on bulwarks and reapers too btw just info for you
near gale
Works on bulwarks and reapers too btw just info for you
Bulwark racism ftw
ripe obsidian
https://tenor.com/view/steam-maintenance-tuesday-hop-off-gif-7582098353938943568
Firmware update day
Or maybe just weekly reboots
near gale
Yes
gray juniper
https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1162146228839133223
Lmk when opening
ripe obsidian
Works on bulwarks and reapers too btw just info for you
How monstrous
dull scroll
okay I'm gaze gunker 20/20 now @weary idol try recon, truuuust
gray juniper
How monstrous
For me 🥺
pale prairie
okay I'm gaze gunker 20/20 now <@199236663174627328> try recon, truuuust
It’s very important for gunkers to have good vision when gazing
pale prairie
https://tenor.com/view/i-can%27t-even-see-you-sir-i-am-blind-legally-blind-gif-1...
big clip and big sword can cover for a multitude of ailments
ripe obsidian
For reasons beyond my ken, Unyielding is armor_types.resistant in the code and infested are disgustingly_resilient
Feels like it should be swapped
pale prairie
Lmao
marble crater
Stinky zealot
ripe obsidian
Unarmored is unarmored, flak is flak, resistant is unyielding, player is, I assume, you, berserker is maniac, super_armor is carapace, disgustingly_resilient is infested, void_shield is void shield
ripe obsidian
here I go six trusting in your math that OwTW is better
Base toughness?
pale prairie
+30 so i guess 90?
brazen compass
Feels like it should be swapped
Why? Disgustingly resilient is quite literal 
Resilient and disgusting
white valley
For reasons beyond my ken, Unyielding is armor_types.resistant in the code and i...
hwat
ripe obsidian
+30 so i guess 90?
Havoc?
strong gulch
For reasons beyond my ken, Unyielding is armor_types.resistant in the code and i...
No this makes sense. For what they are, infected are tanky af.
ripe obsidian
Psyker base toughness is 75, minus 45 for H40. Or like H35 and above, whatever. +30 gets you to 60, then +49% curios gets you to 90
zinc phoenix
this patch is making me mald srsly
zinc phoenix
i keep finishing a 40 90% of the way and then people dc and we wipe
weary idol
okay I'm gaze gunker 20/20 now <@199236663174627328> try recon, truuuust
no
I have tried it
doesn't fit what I use my gun for
zinc phoenix
also the flame stick sweaty meta is so much easier to play than bubble knight lmao
hold right click gaming wins again
brazen compass
Is it? Explain that to the Psyker meta slaves who fold at the first horde
zinc phoenix
thats because they dont know the way of the melee
meanwhile im out here rescuing the ogg with me cutlass
dull scroll
doesn't fit what I use my gun for
it's less offensive, but the 100+ round mag let's you keep up EE and duke it out with 5 reapers in the open
vraks the moment you run out of ammo and start reloading you dead
brazen compass
thats because they dont know the way of the melee
Not denying that
zinc phoenix
simply become one with meleeker
i member og meleeker before force GREAT sword and warp splitting and all this good shit we have now 😂
ripe obsidian
nah i am not crazy today and i am trying to learn mk 6
In non-havoc, you'll have a lot more toughness
(75+30)*1.49, if you use my curios
Something like that
weary idol
vraks the moment you run out of ammo and start reloading you dead
if I am shooting at reapers with vraks and they are not dead before I am out of ammo I have whiffed my entire mag and deserve to die
dull scroll
if I am shooting at reapers with vraks and they are not dead before I am out of ...
don't be like that, you deserve to live 😔
ripe obsidian
nah i am not crazy today and i am trying to learn mk 6
Unless I am mathing wrong, at 156 toughness versus 179 toughness, OwtW is better than +15 at... 12.39% peril. 3x +5% TDR nodes assumed.
ripe obsidian
Back in my day, we stroked our Illisis and we liked it
None of this ranged special attack nonsense
upper sun
😭 no one laughed
pale prairie
Back in my day, we stroked our Illisis and we liked it
back in my day we bowling balled with SG all day! loved us some bowling
gray juniper
@tulip kettle Hugo wants to play with you all so I’ll give him next
strong gulch
<@453628860567650304> Hugo wants to play with you all so I’ll give him next
you can still watch if you want 🫡
but also can leave for any reason
gray juniper
you can still watch if you want 🫡
I got into another havoc myself
marble crater
strong gulch
dog times
wispy bay
Your dog is corrupted, time to play Loner.
marble crater
My psyker is already loner
jovial juniper
<:Sitgryn:1016269420638765107>
He thought you were playing catch
pale prairie
Ooof I am training over here by getting barrel launched off the big bridge in refinery