psyker-class

[weary idol]

same for gunlance shelling in every previous MH game (except for Frontier)

[ripe obsidian]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/z2pn4t/enemy_breed_armour_types_and_locational_damage/

This? I don't know that I can easily reproduce the visual design, but I can make a nice spreadsheet.

[buoyant maple]

yea

[humble bobcat]

for melee bubble knight psyker what is the dump stat for the lasgun?

[tulip kettle]

Usually collat

Can also sacrifice mobility if you value suppression highly, but generally your gun will be your mobility stick

[humble bobcat]

oh perfect the only lasgun i own has coll at the dump stat already ty

[deft stump]

Collateral only has 1 use on it, stagger breakpoint for bombers in havoc.

[tulip kettle]

I mean that's not quite true, collat also increases supression

Which is extremely hard to quantify

But in toll it's literally useless yes. Suppressing gunner blobs more easily may be more valuable than increased mobility, depending on your playstyle

[deft stump]

Not to any viable degree.

The main diff is barely being able to stagger a bomber out of a throw vs not.

You still need to start shooting quickly or it fails.

But you know how bombers are one of the worst specials, depending on how big the area is. And no, Arby's opinions on it don't matter.

[ripe obsidian]

@pale prairie This is a more appropriate H40 for me. Though probably ~100 of my damage taken was from like 4 tox bombers at the end that blanketed the entire end event arena.

[pale prairie]

Again you did like 2 mil

[ripe obsidian]

Damage dealt is only one part of it

Surviving and not getting disabled is more important

At least from my perspective

[pale prairie]

I mean it may have been the fact I was shieldgryn instead of like William club

my damage was pretty low

[ripe obsidian]

You did fine

[tulip kettle]

high collat

low collat

[ripe obsidian]

I was lucky in this game that I had a taungryn, VoC vet, and disco arby. The only thing they couldn't save me from was the gas

[tulip kettle]

im not saying its a major consideration, and as i say its pretty hard to quantify, but if you suck at clicking heads additional supression may be useful to you

[pale prairie]

thats a great comp

[pale prairie]

do havoc modifiers affect collat effectiveness? I have never tested this to level you guys have

[tulip kettle]

collat does almost nothing on recon las like karien said

and final toll makes enemies immune to supression anyway

[deft stump]

Is more, they die before it matters on auric and below.

[tulip kettle]

but if they can be supressed, increased supression will make it easier for you to do. If you just click on their heads and kill them it also does nothing

[deft stump]

High havoc changes things especially if you only have enough time to change a denied area to safe.

Shoot till they drop under them or not throw, let them burn while you deal with other stuff.

[ripe obsidian]

It's supposed to increase stagger thresholds, but I don't think that was actually implemented

[tulip kettle]

i run this because i dont find it valuable, and i still cant click on heads. But i just wanted to make it clear that if you just wildly spray at a gunner pack the increased supression could be the difference between if you live or die

[pale prairie]

Thats what I was wondering cause the modifiers are all over the place and then sometimes things just aren't even working right

[tulip kettle]

and note that stagger and supression are diff mechanics

[ripe obsidian]

Collateral does impact stagger

[tulip kettle]

and finally, enemies without a gun cant be supressed at all

oh yeah for sure but recon las has such low stagger to begiun with its negligible

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/stk-tucker-oryx-ogryn-warhammer-40k-gif-10854006100543924740

[opaque pollen]

forgot to spam crouch

[tulip kettle]

except appaently in the case of being able to stagger bombers before they throw

[pale prairie]

how much mobility difference is 60 vs 80?

[deft stump]

Is why the use is only for the bomber. You need to start shooting the moment you know. Without, you will fail no matter.

Why it's kinda niche.

[pale prairie]

god I hate bombers though so thats nice

[tulip kettle]

60 mobility

[deft stump]

I don't think vet really has ranged stagger nodes.

[tulip kettle]

80 mobility

[ripe obsidian]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/72cde1c088677d22b3830d9681d015167782b10a/scripts/settings/havoc_settings.lua#L4

I think all the havoc tier modifiers are in here.

I also pinned something for havoc modifiers that's comprehensive

[deft stump]

In a normal H40 loadout anyway.

[pale prairie]

this is like the one of two games I have ever looked at the code for. its kind of silly

[ripe obsidian]

I think I look at the code more than I otherwise might due to my new job

[pale prairie]

yes I have seen the Learnding gif hahaa

[ripe obsidian]

This is the buffs for that game. Seems like ~50% 4 stacks of Warp Siphon is normal

I did notice a couple times I would Shriek and immediately get back to 4 stacks

[pale prairie]

I am assuming the stages are for havoc difficulties

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah. Between H1 and H40, each increases turns on one or multiple modifiers

So H35 is...
Horde Buff 5
Horde Spawn Rate Buff 6

@dull scroll wot's your SG bleed FGS build?

[dull scroll]

bleed?

if you talking about using that bolt pistol I don't have one

[ripe obsidian]

I thought it was you who was in my game

I guess not

Hmmm

[tulip kettle]

doesnt this show an effective 20% relevant 4 stacks uptime?

[ripe obsidian]

Functionally, yeah

[tulip kettle]

but also noteable is that you spent the same time at 4 stacks as you did at 1, 2 or 3 combined

[ripe obsidian]

That's the bigger takeaway for me

I need to try it with Warp Battery instead of Wildfire to compare

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/senator-palpatine-anakin-skywalker-phantom-menace-gif-10607636

[pale prairie]

is the average 2.99 stacks because its averaging "downtime" with no stacks?

just feel that should be atleast above 3

[ripe obsidian]

It says I was only at 4 for 48.2% of the time, so 2.99 makes sense to me, I think

[pale prairie]

I guess if the next big percentage was instead like 2 or 1 then it would drag it down

Yeah the bar graph seems to show 1 being slightly higher than 3 with 2 at dead last

[ripe obsidian]

Doing loose math, 20% at 1, 10% at 2, 20% at 3, and 50% at 4 should be ~3 average

[verbal thistle]

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOO

https://tenor.com/view/rage-emoji-rage-gif-3851471549750385303

bro is an instant accept

[ripe obsidian]

Go forth, Ainz. Be carried by the might of Warp Rupture.

[verbal thistle]

pre mission he is giving me build advice

I love pubs

[ripe obsidian]

You must need the advice

[verbal thistle]

telling me to run carapace and elite on Taxe

[ripe obsidian]

Well, obviously. What kind of loser uses anything else?

[pale prairie]

Oh please tell me he shared the vision behind this choice

[verbal thistle]

I cant

I'm dying

omg

[pale prairie]

lmao

cause you had Flak

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-the-frog-muppets-meme-smh-shaking-my-head-gif-16984538577250620315

[verbal thistle]

I'm dying

[sullen bobcat]

I run block and sprint efficiency

[verbal thistle]

I cant stop laughing

my sides huirt

[ripe obsidian]

What difficulty is this?

[verbal thistle]

havoc 40

[ripe obsidian]

Lordy

[pale prairie]

Ainze is fucking trolling

[ripe obsidian]

I mean, Elite is Elite and Flak is Flak.

Obviously no overlap

Who even knows what a flak enemy is

[pale prairie]

I mean.....we just had a discussion on how fucking convoluted damage types and armor types on different regions of enemies are

but this is silly

[tulip kettle]

why take good dmg buff vs dangerous enemies when can take minor dmg buff to all enemies

[verbal thistle]

30 seconds in

periled himself

I cant

my sides

[ripe obsidian]

Nice

[pale prairie]

oh no

[verbal thistle]

cead

[ripe obsidian]

I want to watch this stream.

[verbal thistle]

https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1162146315392786612

[ripe obsidian]

I can't talk right now; we have houseguests and the guest bedroom is right next to my office

[pale prairie]

damn can't hear your exhausted voice

[ripe obsidian]

Inb4 reddit post "People need to learn to build"

"I'm tired of losing Havoc 40 matches because people don't understand how enemies work. People load in with bullshit like flak and unyielding, as if that helps anyone. Ever heard of elites? And maybe one day Fatshark will add damage versus specials. What an oversight.

But anyway, people can't even kill enemies, so I end up dying trying to save their lives. It's bullshit."

Insert spelling errors as needed.

This map, Relay Station I think, has killed me a lot these last couple weeks. The opening section has been a gauntlet. 2-4 bosses in the first room, specials filling hallways with effects, loads of sightlines for gunners.

[opaque pollen]

i recently made a psyker after getting my first character, veteran, to 30. psyker more fun

[ripe obsidian]

Veteran is currently not in a very good state.

[opaque pollen]

just seemed... everywhere

[sullen bobcat]

You mean you don't enjoy playing the one viable build?

P sword, bolter/plasma, shout, frags, mark?

[dull scroll]

who wrote this 😂

[sullen bobcat]

There's actually two builds!
You can choose between plasma or bolter

Vet's one build is actually pretty good imo, but that's sorta a shit situation for a lot of other reasons

[ripe obsidian]

I wrote this as satire

[sullen bobcat]

Although, vet has a bunch of fun things you can do off meta

[ripe obsidian]

I don't. :<

I don't really like Power Sword or Plasma. Both feel awkward to me. I can use them decently enough, but they just don't feel as chunky and fun as something like Bistol or Eviscerator or FGS.

[sullen bobcat]

I like plasma and how the game turns into a point and click adventure

[opaque pollen]

the literal reason i wanted to try something not boring

[ripe obsidian]

I was fiddling with the idea of a support-oriented Veteran. Smoke grenades and such. But then I remembered that the best way to be support Veteran is to take Plasma gun and VoC and kill specials

[pale prairie]

I mean thats exactly what happened. they had like 2 bosses straight away. One was weakened but still

[ripe obsidian]

The first couple rooms are pretty linear and close-quarters, which makes dealing with bosses hard. At least for me.

Not much space to back up, not many places to kite.

And if you go into the stairwell, gunners and specials light you up from either side.

It's like the opposite issue of the mid event area in Magistrati Oubliette, which is like 10 minutes of vast, open spaces with limited cover

[pale prairie]

Yeah the side rooms also can fuck you up including the balcony if you don't pay attention. easy for mobs to sneak on you while your "SAFE" cause its early level

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/arsenal-gunners-gif-21708531

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah.

[opaque pollen]

is support psyker a thing

[ripe obsidian]

If I don't take bubble on that map, it's a terrible killbox. But if I do take bubble, then my team doesn't have the damage necessary to push forward.

[pale prairie]

absolutely

[ripe obsidian]

Support is not really a thing in this game, honestly. Not in the traditional sense. The best way to support your team is to remove pressure from them, which is done primarily through killing enemies. Secondarily, it's stuff like bubble, taunt, chorus, VoC, etc. But there's no, like, Soraka of Darktide.

[pale prairie]

but I would focus on a Voidblast Soulblaze build with bubble and BB with KF instead of like SMITE

[opaque pollen]

oh i figured

im using smite and its really fun stunning for the homies

[sullen bobcat]

I'm gonna make a healer build
Watch

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, the closest thing to a full support Psyker would be Voidblast for CC, probably Brain Burst for pathing to Psykinetic Aura, CD aura, Bubble, and Warp Siphon for more bubbles.

[pale prairie]

its good but it is looked down upon in higher difficulties because it turns off the game for melee guys. As long as you use it sparingly for like bad situations like trains of Elites suprising the group or to res people

[ripe obsidian]

For the Voidblast, Rending Shockwave is more "support", but the soulblaze blessing will give you more kills, which means less pressure on enemies and more PA procs

[pale prairie]

Yeah I feel like the support part of it is the CC on enemies and the bubble. Otherwise you should be KILLING

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/blchota-rasputin-just-dance-gif-21664755

[ripe obsidian]

Now, I do think that each class can excel at specific niches better than others. Some to an OP degree.

[pale prairie]

I think of the Kings Man movie every time I hear this song

[pale prairie]

agreed. Not every class gets book or VoC

[ripe obsidian]

Tbh I would rather have taunt than either of those

[pale prairie]

Ogryn Taunt you mean?

[ripe obsidian]

Taunt pulls way more pressure away from me

Yeah

[pale prairie]

Yeah I love Taunt

[ripe obsidian]

I think VoC is arguably better than Chorus, just for spammability

[pale prairie]

It helps that the Ogryn Laughs and insults people

[pale prairie]

Its always a debate depending on situation and how its used

[ripe obsidian]

I'm not 100% sure yellow toughness should be in the game. But at least it's limited to 2 classes.

[pale prairie]

Chorus is nice if its someone aggressive like Agent

[ripe obsidian]

Problem is, it's so OP that it edges out other actives

Defensive Chorus makes me sad

[pale prairie]

Yeah If they remove yellow toughness I feel it might affect Havoc balance a little. Feels like the Devs designed some of it with the idea that tthose abilities would be there

then again we had no CHorus or VoC the other night and still did it while you were zombie

bruh I have started taking health curio on my Psyker and now is the time I never see 21%

[ripe obsidian]

It might be better if it's, like, a temp HP situation. One application of yellow toughness, gone once you get hit. Give it indefinite length, do not stack it, replace it if the ability is used again and would give you more than you have.

It has the potential to save you from a single major attack in that case without making you super invulnerable

[pale prairie]

Yeah maybe it gives you specifically a Single One Shot save and then after that its just toughness regen

have it drop the golden look so you know its been used

[ripe obsidian]

I do think that would result in it being much weaker for lower difficulty players who get hit more often

While still probably being only a moderate decrease in power for H40 players

[opaque pollen]

its just so nice not having to worry about ammo'

😐

[ripe obsidian]

Probably some compensation buffs somewhere else

[opaque pollen]

force sword feels so fun to use, and the staff while a lil clunky on the right click feels good too

[ripe obsidian]

Psyker is the class of kings.

[pale prairie]

yeah obviously buff the tree elsewhere

[pale prairie]

We are beloved

[opaque pollen]

i simply

[pale prairie]

maybe some kind of in built passive or nodes surrounding it to boost players who take it to encourage taking a good team ability

[opaque pollen]

kill the enemy with style

[pale prairie]

I demand more psyker drip

[opaque pollen]

like cmon bro

blaze force greatsword

[pale prairie]

@ripe obsidian same situation happend again

[ripe obsidian]

The super murder fun hallway?

[ripe obsidian]

It is the most fun melee weapon in the game, hands down

[opaque pollen]

i am having the time of my life

why did i choose veteran

WHY

ogryn and zealot has to be fun too

[pale prairie]

veteran is just really in a bad place build wise

[ripe obsidian]

I play pretty much only Psyker and Arby. I can't figure out Ogryn movement and end up dead. Zealot is fun, but I am bad with their best weapons. Veteran is Veteran.

[pale prairie]

I hate grimoire people

WHY

[ripe obsidian]

Because book

[opaque pollen]

i like slapping things as ogryn

[pale prairie]

I do love books

[strong gulch]

I want to bind books.

I'll get into the hobby one day

[pale prairie]

its a cool hobby

very posh

with lots of cardigans

[strong gulch]

lots of paste, pressing, and waiting

There's a book I wanna do but I am waiting on some one to write parts of it.

I hope there's a uptime mod update soon that makes it useable for me.

It's bumbing me out tbh.

[pale prairie]

And if youre hungry you can eat the paste

[strong gulch]

mostly flour and water

SNACKS

[pale prairie]

its funny they were talking about rumbler ogryns and I just played with 2

sigh

just blow up barrels and all the enemies i guess

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/its-always-sunny-gif-8651067

[pale prairie]

Remind me but Assail Pierce is not as good as more Assail?

I am basically just doing Gunker build but with EK staff

[strong gulch]

Usually because we have warp splitting.

[pale prairie]

right right

I don't need uh PC right?

[strong gulch]

The more you use assail, the more quick shards provide.

So with revolver, bistol, or if you're only using vraks 5 on monsters, then quick shards is going to be your better bet.

[opaque pollen]

thought about trying assail but i just got done having to aim for 30 levels

[strong gulch]

If you're going all in on assail like with EP, then might as well grab all of the assail nodes.

[opaque pollen]

so is the usual go to assail into scriers for all that beautiful crit

[pale prairie]

Using EK no gun

[dull scroll]

@weary idol you know what, yolo gaze gunker is alright

[strong gulch]

Seems fine. Is this an Ainz build?

[pale prairie]

It’s a slightly altered Ainz build

I was doing it with EP and maxed out assail and then wanted to try DD instead

This bastard is trying to trick me

[zealous wing]

the funny thing is, i gambled on it, and it seems to work as it says

[ripe obsidian]

Anyone wanna goof around in non-Havoc? I don't have the energy for H40 stuff right now. Would be open to H30 or lower, or whatever else.

[zealous wing]

unless the hud also lies? but the sprint distance seems better than when i had a +2 stam

[visual phoenix]

Why +15 toughness node give 25 toughness?

[zealous wing]

do you have toughness curios?

[ripe obsidian]

Curios.

[pale prairie]

Show me bars in a match

Ive heard that the psykhanium also lies

[zealous wing]

kk give me a sec

[pale prairie]

I'll play

[ripe obsidian]

Cool. I can't talk, because houseguests.

[zealous wing]

damn you right

i cant believe sefoni would lie to me

[pale prairie]

this game is just silly man

I only learned this heresy like a week ago

and I have 500 hours in this game

[ripe obsidian]

The Psykhanium is not online and has weird bugs.

Like, Wildfire causes soulblaze to linger for ~8 seconds

[pale prairie]

So weird

[strong gulch]

Sure. My brains are funny rn so super hard difficulty would be too much.

[ripe obsidian]

No worries

I just blew up a fire barrel on a Daemonhost

[tulip kettle]

the thing where people crash mid mission and dont rejoin which stops the slots being filled, is the worst

i dont blame the players who crashed and i dont know a good solution but it needs to be fixed still

[polar drift]

Hello everyone, what is the dump stat for the inferno force staff

[strong gulch]

warp resist

WR

[polar drift]

Thank you!

[zealous wing]

it'd be nice if there was a reasonable cooldown, like 3 minutes tops, before a rando can be placed in

that gives time even if the whole PC went down to boot everything back up and make sure things are as they should be

but i can also see how even 3 minutes on something like havoc could be pushing it

[ripe obsidian]

Fix is mission timers being longer than 10 minutes.

It prioritizes filling active missions.

And missions are now only on the board for 10 minutes before swapping, so they're rarely active

[tulip kettle]

i dont think it would matter, i think the route of the problem is that the slot stays "reserved" for the crashed player until they either rejoin or the mission ends

so when they crash 3 mins in and say "fuck it im done playing tide" thats just a bot for the rest of the mission and nothing to be done about it

[ripe obsidian]

It stays reserved for 5 minutes

Drops after that

This is the same reason why MMT works. It's a hosted game, but because the mission is no longer on the board, no one can join without an invitation

[tulip kettle]

i didnt know its only 5 mins

interesting

[proper osprey]

zealot is very high octane so is melee psyker they play similarly

[tulip kettle]

so its that its being reserved while the mission is on the board, then when it becomes freed the mission is no longer on the board so doesnt get prioritised for filling. then yeah i guess being on board longer and prioritising filling older missions woould help alleviate it

[proper osprey]

melee psyker is fun in havoc but its scary

one wrong move and you're a fine mist

you are the hydrogen bomb and the coughing baby at the same time

[dull scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/manny-scarface-cocaine-look-gif-20220938

sorry still a bit high from playing this build

what were you saying?

[proper osprey]

dd is a hellav drug

hes addicted too that 3 secs of movement speed

[jovial juniper]

Speedheads at it again

[visual phoenix]

Did you test on psykaniun?

Im not sure if it affects all, i noticed it in havoc

[zealous wing]

yeah main test was psykanium, didnt know it lied sometimes, and when you're quickplaying midcombat 90% of the time you dont think to check

no point getting rid of it now, though, even 2 stam helps, i'll just keep an eye out for a 410 next time 😭

i cant believe sefoni would do this to me

gaslighting queen fr

[ripe obsidian]

@tulip kettle

I was a little too close to the crusher at first, so I didn't swap fast enough

[tulip kettle]

i was wondering about the peril mngmnt

turns out, SG

thats actually good though

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, and I can probably tighten the timings. But again, because it is macro, never using in havoc

[tulip kettle]

XD

i think its so good because you can always be first application

the range and aoe is kinda bonkers

if only bleed didnt start to deteriorate so quickly

[strong gulch]

Need someone with blood letter on chainaxe to run up to big things and take smol bleed stack to max

[pale prairie]

Wait you got the peril quenching AND VENT

what the fuck is this

[tulip kettle]

or wait for your vet to throw a shredder into the bulwarks

then perfectly time your slash before it goes off

😉

[wraith sphinx]

Chaxe... 🤢

[strong gulch]

it's garbage

[tulip kettle]

funny tho

[pale prairie]

We need a roulette website for your builds haha

[pale prairie]

Would have been funnier with damage shriek

[wraith sphinx]

We really do

[tulip kettle]

full build randomiser

[pale prairie]

Coward

[strong gulch]

true

[strong gulch]

*writes that down

[wraith sphinx]

Oh god damage shriek

[patent jacinth]

You could pretty reasonably randomize a build by randomly selecting the branch you take after every node

[wraith sphinx]

When I was new to the game I thought it was the better optiom

[patent jacinth]

No idea how you would randomly distribute your points after you hit the bottom though

[tulip kettle]

i think it is in very low difficulty

[pale prairie]

Ainz was dying cause a psyker in pubs havoc 40 had it and was giving him build advice

[visual phoenix]

Whats the build you using currently?

[tulip kettle]

night @ripe obsidian

[pale prairie]

Flak is worse than elite damage

[strong gulch]

OH! @ripe obsidian @pale prairie Did any of you fall for my single shield wall??

It didn't stop specials

[pale prairie]

I think assign numbers left to right and roll dice

[pale prairie]

Fall????

[strong gulch]

then no

[pale prairie]

Hahahaha

[strong gulch]

I was hoping one of you would go "oh the wall will stop it" and then it doesn't

[tulip kettle]

all possible selectable nodes are always rolled for

[pale prairie]

I think we killed stuff before they ever got there

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/good-one-gif-14762018606087478802

[white valley]

I forget Psyker even has walls

So much worse than bubble

[pale prairie]

Yeah maybe decide if you want to double roll at certain levels to get two things

[ripe obsidian]

It's also 100% an exploit and shouldn't be in the game

[ripe obsidian]

I was a couple times. Saw things walk through and did a double take

[ripe obsidian]

It's either Wildfire or Kinetic Deflection, and I am not dropping KD. I've made a build using Warp Battery instead of Wildfire, and I will test it in H40 at some point

And compare the stack uptimes

[plucky flax]

Man I keep getting ppl with 0 damage.

[strong gulch]

not even tall enough for oggy

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-lebron-james-lebron-shades-lebron-sunglasses-lebron-driveaway-gif-17723076904418280050

[white valley]

I confess, I never run kinetic deflection and find it super overrated

[plucky flax]

Only noobs use it.

If you're pro you take 0 damage anyway so no need to block.

[ripe obsidian]

KD is fantastic, especially with stamina on your weapon or a curio.

I use +2 stamina on my Deimos.

Reduces the peril gain of KD by 40%, since peril gain is based on % max stamina

So I can block gunners or reapers for quite a long time, or a DH if necessary

[white valley]

I just have a +3 stamina curio

Never get block broken

[visual phoenix]

If you killing a lot of elites you can in theory drop in fire reborn

[ripe obsidian]

Also KD can help charge up peril for various reasons

[white valley]

But I don't run deflector, I use duelling sword and sometimes chainaxe

[visual phoenix]

I kiiinda played with it, not sure if i liked it or not

[ripe obsidian]

KD is less good without Deflector

[white valley]

Force swords' sprint speed annoys me (it's slow)

[ripe obsidian]

I block a lot less if I am not using Deflector, though

[white valley]

I totally get the value in pairing it with deflector

[ripe obsidian]

It becomes a matter of consistency, I think. Sometimes I get 20 shotgunners at once, sometimes I get nothing

[pale prairie]

Yeah and according to the stat screen the hurdle is getting that second charge. You spend a quarter of the time or so in first charge but once stuff gets going you rocket up to three and then four pretty fast

Not sure if that’s in fire doing that though

[zealous wing]

tbh i havent noticed the sword as slow, really, but thats mainly because i sprint with my gun out then switch to melee with q when i need to

[ripe obsidian]

Half my time in combat is spent at 0 charges. D:

[pale prairie]

Sadge

[visual phoenix]

Emp evasion is another thing you can try and drop
Cant recommend that one, yet i found it valid in Non toll modif

[ripe obsidian]

I do want to emphasize that my build has no issues right now. This is just unnecessary optimization

[pale prairie]

Oh beef has a bit of a point if you have KD and deflector

[ripe obsidian]

I have 25% uptime on EE. It's so good

[pale prairie]

I do love it

[visual phoenix]

The question is then you actually need one

[white valley]

If you've got a gun sure, but I am not going to sprint with a staff

[visual phoenix]

Its either gunners get staggered to death or we not doing enough typo

[white valley]

But if I am playing gunker I'd rather use FGS anyway

[ripe obsidian]

Being immune to ranged damage for 25% of the match is silly. I use it to be aggressive and fight gunners. Can't do damage if I'm blocking. But sometimes they are too far or something

[jovial juniper]

Took
1
Damage yesterday

I'm washed

https://tenor.com/view/sad-gif-22469622

[visual phoenix]

Thats why i cant recommend it, going full agro is what makes purg staff op

[zealous wing]

before i used a gun i'd sprint with my blitz out

[ripe obsidian]

I mean, I use Deimos as a shield more than a sword. KD gives me a lot of benefit.

[white valley]

Wat

[visual phoenix]

Il keep trying non emp evasion stuff, i think there might be something to work with

[ripe obsidian]

Immunity to all the things you aren't immediately burning or things out of range, too.

Shotgunners walking out of spawn rooms

Reapers who won't stagger

[zealous wing]

if its assail, i'd sprint with assail out, if i had bb, i'd sprint with that ready to go

[ripe obsidian]

Red enemies

[white valley]

I know what a blitz is

I've never heard of someone sprinting with them

That's almost unhinged lmao

[zealous wing]

if youre other two options are slow, i mean...

just saying there is a 3rd option is all

[ripe obsidian]

The harder thing to measure without Wildfire is exactly how much damage I am losing from the prestacking

But I will start by seeing if I can even maintain 6 stacks

[zealous wing]

also, just finally got rid of CW, put it into Warp Battery for the time being (until i thonk better), here's hoping i dont die immediately to an overload

[visual phoenix]

Like on what you need more dmg

[pale prairie]

The pain helps you learn

[zealous wing]

i've been really good at not overloading, but i HAVE used the overload in the past to get through shit

hence why i even had CW

[ripe obsidian]

Mostly clearing hordes faster and ramping faster. It's not that I need more damage, it's that Wildfire saves me like 0.5 to 1 second per enemy. Maybe more.

[visual phoenix]

Most of things that are crammed together for wf to spread is trash mods that i belive does not need more dmg

I gues it helps with rages and maulers? Yet a bit of purg+vent is more than enough

[zealous wing]

i seldom hit above 90 peril at this point so i should be okay

[visual phoenix]

Rest of the things are either already dead by now or something that isnt rly your priority to deal with like bosses or crushers

[white valley]

Wildfire definitely makes a noticeable difference in TTK

[ripe obsidian]

Even if I drop from 5 seconds to 4 for a horde, that's a 20% decrease. It's significant

[white valley]

Funny that the community consensus on it has shifted recently

[ripe obsidian]

It's still contentious in here.

[white valley]

I remember being dogpiled on for defending it

Not here, but still

[ripe obsidian]

Wildfire, sometimes KD, sometimes Warp Battery. I am on a lone crusade against Quietude for many builds.

[zealous wing]

i also just switched that one

[ripe obsidian]

:(

[white valley]

Interesting, why not Quietude?

[zealous wing]

from Q to WE, since i generate more peril from reloading and its gone by the time i reload again

[white valley]

Tbh I take quietude so I can path into battle meditation

[visual phoenix]

Wf for me is still one of those tallent that i can drop to something else if needed
Time passes, im less reliable to defensive stuff and i can take wf

Cant say if i noticed any Significant difference in terms of ttk

[white valley]

It does affect ttk and total damage at the end of a mission

Plus funny synergy with kinetic flayer

[ripe obsidian]

Because the gain is minimal and it's counter to a high peril playstyle. Even without Empyric Resolve, in H40 a tick of quell is 4.5ish toughness. Shriek is like 23 toughness. It's not enough to survive through gas, nor is it enough to mitigate any kind of attack in a meaningful way. And if you stand and quell more than like 2 ticks at a time, you're losing Warp Rider and Warp Nexus, as well as losing time actually attacking

Plus, I gain enough toughness from Soulstealer and Mettle that Quietude is unnecessary

[visual phoenix]

Hardly noticeable for me rly
Probably bcuz of venting a lot

[ripe obsidian]

Wildfire improves venting significantly.

[zealous wing]

actually i just realised i can get rid of BM as well probably

[ripe obsidian]

6 stacks is 24 damage. 8 is 41. 10 is 61.

[white valley]

It procs off any peril loss though, but the gains aren't huge, sure

[hearty wolf]

Fury of the faithful, thrust and headshot them from behind

[ripe obsidian]

I am pretty much always charging RMB even out of combat to keep peril high.

[white valley]

Would you rather take Warp Expenditure then?

[ripe obsidian]

There are builds where Quietude is a more necessary tool, like Gunker or Meleeker who isn't getting as many warp kills (though assail should be getting a ton of Soulstealer and Mettle procs)

[ripe obsidian]

Of the two, I would take Quietude.

[white valley]

Yeah, warp expenditure's returns are too low

[zealous wing]

switched from WE / BM line to mettle and PT, testing time

[ripe obsidian]

Any peril you gain with WE has to be quelled at some point, and for double the effectiveness

I just don't feel that Quietude has a meaningful impact on toughness generation

Like, if I shriek then I am probably about to get all my toughness back from kills anyway

[white valley]

With soulstealer yeah

[ripe obsidian]

I do use Soulstealer

[white valley]

I took soulstealer off my build awhile ago, replaced it with essence harvest

[ripe obsidian]

I have a Quietude into Battle Meditiation build, but my damage output suffered due to horde death clearing peril faster than I could generate it

[white valley]

With vent?

[ripe obsidian]

Bubble

I was at <50% peril most of the time despite endlessly burning

[white valley]

Battle meditation is only a 10% chance

[ripe obsidian]

I know. But it went off a lot.

[white valley]

I dunno I can keep peril relatively high

[ripe obsidian]

I mean, I'm getting like 1500 kills in a 30 minute mission

It's a lot of quelling

I might've had ER on that build, which would have caused issues. Would have to check.

[white valley]

Sure

Oh that I can see

Because I run BM and bubble inferno and my peril stays high

No empyric resolve though

[ripe obsidian]

As for Essence Harvest, I have not used it enough to have an opinion

It's probably good

[visual phoenix]

But it locks on 4 stacks ;(

[ripe obsidian]

I'm talking about adding 2-4 stacks onto Shriek

[hearty wolf]

Acceleration

[ripe obsidian]

Enemies who have 2-4 from Wildfire getting another 6 from Shriek for way more damage

[strong gulch]

Let us hit enemies with books

[ripe obsidian]

Magic books?

[strong gulch]

scripts and grims

[white valley]

I like it, good uptime and also keeps ticking in situations where you can't attack

[strong gulch]

I wanna explode barrels with books

[ripe obsidian]

Might try it on a build. Probably not my Shriek one, as I have no nodes I am willing to give up, but maybe bubble.

[hearty wolf]

Ngl I think people have 0 clue about how broken wildfire is. It's extremely good with aggressive playstyles if you're holding more than 1 angle. I've had many encounters now where I'm effectively holding 270° and it's only doable because wildfire is causing PA+shield+ pc to jump to 31 stacks

[ripe obsidian]

Bubble can make KD/Deflector less necessary. Unless a DH attacks me.

[hearty wolf]

What did I mean my +shield

I just typed it but wtf did I mean

Was that an autocorrect??

[visual phoenix]

So wf is good for bubble?

[hearty wolf]

Shriek

[white valley]

Aye I've tried running deflector and just barely used it

[hearty wolf]

It was supposed to say shriek

[ripe obsidian]

I think WF is better with Shriek, but still very good with bubble

[visual phoenix]

I may be stupid then, i cant see a value for shriek

Its like adding a little, yet idk if it worth a node

[hearty wolf]

Deflector is insane for when you need it

[ripe obsidian]

It has saved my life more than once. Usually because I tend to be really aggressive and end up in... questionable situations sometimes. Mostly involving gunners.

[strong gulch]

Felt

[white valley]

Wf is always extra damage and lower ttk, plus it can lead to funny specials and elites being killed because of kinetic flayer

Many a dog and sniper has died randomly like that

[hearty wolf]

I've found deflector is really good for just standing in front of gunners in maps like oubliette

[strong gulch]

tho deflector can also let you do some questionable aggressive things too

[hearty wolf]

Where your team won't kill them for some reason

[white valley]

I can totally see it, but I run bubble

[strong gulch]

Yes. That's when I yell SKILL

lmao

[ripe obsidian]

Enemies hit by WF and Shriek with no other fire involved, for the sake of argument, will take more than double the damage of just shriek because of how it scales

[hearty wolf]

@strong gulch brain status?

[strong gulch]

Did some aurics. Was ok then sstarted getting worse. Hopefully tomorrow will be better.

[tulip kettle]

you re not alone, i run queititude on literally no builds these days

[ripe obsidian]

Fair. I got tired of being on bubble duty, and I honestly feel way more impactful on Shriek. There are situations where bubble would have saved runs or teammates, but there are also situations where bubble would have dropped in 6.6 seconds and Shriek allowed me to kill the offenders

[strong gulch]

This game won't let me have the moment.

[wispy bay]

I haven't play DT since monday.

I don't want to get burnout.

[strong gulch]

Dom doing spin jumps

[ripe obsidian]

I choose to believe this is due to my dark influence.

https://tenor.com/view/vampire-dark-bidding-gif-9541229

[tulip kettle]

like a dainty ballerina

[strong gulch]

shriek has it's own utility and just casually doubles damage.

[visual phoenix]

There is not a lot of stuff that is not involved with your staff fire

[tulip kettle]

with a plasma gun.

[visual phoenix]

If there is - they too far away not just from your staff but fromm wf as well

[tulip kettle]

and also

vet is LITERALLY just better zealot, right?

[ripe obsidian]

And if those things have 4 stacks on them before you see them, they're gonna take waaaay more damage in the same amount of time

[tulip kettle]

bleed on crit? nah ill just have 2 stacks on hit please

[ripe obsidian]

And it's more fun

[tulip kettle]

stop doing dps for gold tough?

nah ill just stagger everything and keep killing

[ripe obsidian]

Zealot is a machine made for clutching

[hearty wolf]

You can just 1 tick chorus

Then use the entire 7 if it's spooky

[tulip kettle]

i normally do 5 for the +75 then stop

[ripe obsidian]

Aggressive Chorus Zealots are a gift.

[tulip kettle]

and tbh i usually use it to run up at the front and book in stuffs face

[ripe obsidian]

Press F and sprint at the bad guys. Tell them a story whether they like it or not

[tulip kettle]

then get flattened when it ends

idk apart from the stamina...issues... vet just felt so much smoother to play

ive been neglecting it too long

[ripe obsidian]

I think veteran is a better support class atm and Zealot is a better generalist.

[tulip kettle]

or the red guys say "not interested + who asked + bonk"

[ripe obsidian]

The red enemies know how to deal with mormon Imperial missionaries

[jovial juniper]

Serrated Blade propaganda on the big 25

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/boondocks-gif-19978444

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/rayleigh-one-piece-crying-gif-7583256620608062087

Good bait though

[hearty wolf]

@ripe obsidian 🎮

[tulip kettle]

not sure what this means tbh im very not well versed

six is going to bed now.

[hearty wolf]

😐

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/naruto-plo-bro-gif-15972864106743038997

Serrated Blade is so ass

https://tenor.com/view/rayleigh-one-piece-crying-gif-7583256620608062087

[tulip kettle]

why?

[jovial juniper]

2 bleed ain't shit + competition

[tulip kettle]

if you are running shredders + bleed bistol

it seems pretty good

its just to keep it stacked, no?

as bleed starts to deteriorate so quickly after last application

[jovial juniper]

You already have shredders

[summer prairie]

24 minute red/purple relay with randoms, pretty good

[tulip kettle]

right but you throw the 2 shreds and literally 2 secs later the stacks are already dropping off

though i do agree bleed just feels bad when somebody is contesting for it

[white valley]

Serrated blade is good for knoife

[jovial juniper]

💀

More bleed knife propaganda on the big 25

https://tenor.com/view/rayleigh-one-piece-crying-gif-7583256620608062087

[white valley]

Synergizes with mercy killer

But I don't play knoife anything

Hate combat blade

[visual phoenix]

So its around 10 enemies at most
It better to be elites
Anything else is dieing to you without needing a wf to spread

Does it rly worth a whole node?

[tulip kettle]

wf also enables the KF into specials interaction

doesnt work without it

[visual phoenix]

Thats too specific

Why just yk
Not take a flat warp dmg increase

[tulip kettle]

by that i mean, you burn a bunch of trash and the shooters run away and die all over the place

[hearty wolf]

What node are you getting in place of wildfire 🤔

[wispy bay]

Zealot bleed on crit is still pretty good because zealot has a lot more crit chance increase talents than vet.

[tulip kettle]

they spread a few stacks with WF onto the bomber you never saw, KF procs and kills it

[visual phoenix]

Warp battery ofc
I dont see a point of wf if i can vent more

[tulip kettle]

oh yeah its good for sure with all the synergy

maybe serrated blade isnt great but i noticed that the bleed stacks just start to deteriorate so much sooner than soulblaze

[wispy bay]

Though, zealot has so many more big damage weapons with other builds.

[tulip kettle]

and if im already pathing to agile engage then 1 point to let my melee maintain stacks at max on bosses and stuff seems ok

though again, maybe arb og and zel will be taking care of that idk

what i do know is FGS bleed bistol macro abuse steals ALL the bleed

ask six how i know.

[hearty wolf]

Hmm. I wonder what's the effective uptime on having 6 versus 4 stacks when shriek and how much damage you're losing by not being at high peril

Sounds tricky to measure

I'll drop KD

Let's see what we can do

If you parry something at 1% stamina on dclaw

Does it parry just fine or do you get guard broken

[zealous wing]

when i used it on my vet it seemed to work just fine

[hearty wolf]

Okay

[zealous wing]

could solo plague ogryn with just parry, could solo rinda as well, and take little to no damage, stamina wasnt really an issue, its not ideal dmg, but, if your goal is to stay alive in something like that, its a good starter sword

it served me very well

could work on a CS as well, long as you dodge the grab

[visual phoenix]

In like standard situation you want to use purg staff as much as possible and vent on cd (situation depending ofc)

From what type of enemy you rly benefit with extra 4 stacks of wf?

[wispy bay]

Dclaw is only good for that. It is no good for anything else.

I say this as a Dclaw user in H40 casually.

[zealous wing]

staying alive is a huge W

[tulip kettle]

i dont think its so much about the 4 stacks from WF specifically

i think its like sin said, it lets the fire burn stuff you arent even looking at and hold much wider arcs of control

and also lets you enable the KF proccing on stuff you never saw interaction happen

[visual phoenix]

Isnt that the same with vent? Burn 1 choke vent another?

[wispy bay]

Eh, you have hard time staying alive vs every other thing with Dclaw.

[tulip kettle]

idk i dont think its the same

and based on what six has seen so far, you have already less than 20% effective uptime even with 4 stacks

[hearty wolf]

Maybe if you have a low WR staff. Sounds good

As it is. It takes soooooooo loooong to build peril

So much so that PA kinda scams you because you get your ult back again and it's dead or assists for one tick against the blob

[tulip kettle]

this would likely be even lower with 6 stacks cap, and you are also not really benefitting from the marginal base dmg increase, and with PA and seers presence and CDR curios shriek already has stupid low cd

[visual phoenix]

My question still stands, no matter the WR you have on the staff

Against what enemy you rly benefiting from extra 4 stacks?

[tulip kettle]

it just, doesnt do that

[hearty wolf]

No enemies benefit from having soulblaze on them when melee one shots them

Soulblaze should apply 31 stacks only

Pls buff

[tulip kettle]

it doesnt really ever give + 4 stacks except when you have huge hordes of trash dying, and in that case it means the trash that isnt in range of your staff enters into range with 4 stacks already, which reduces TTK by a non trivial amount

[visual phoenix]

Thats the thing, yes

So against who you need such a stretch of a dmg?

[tulip kettle]

idk dude

[visual phoenix]

Exactly

[tulip kettle]

i have said the 3 situations where its significant

and its nothing to do with "extra stacks"

[summer prairie]

what do you need the warp battery dmg buff for

[tulip kettle]

its about spreading stacks to stuff you cant see

[hearty wolf]

but shriek already does that

silly billy

[plucky flax]

Its simple just drop pc

[summer prairie]

true

[plucky flax]

You dont need 31 stacks when 15 stacks can kill

[hearty wolf]

Actually made me audibly laugh

[plucky flax]

Me being serious but people laugh

[visual phoenix]

8% warp dmg is still 8%. I will always take a somewhat stable dmg increase rather a questionable spread that works if all the stars are aligned

[summer prairie]

one stack is worth more than 8% damage

and you were arguing you don't need those stacks

[tulip kettle]

and also, again, your relevant uptime on 5 and 6 stacks is literally less than a 5th of the time

and you just purge them off anyway with shriek

[hearty wolf]

The revised build

[visual phoenix]

And i can use it more, yes

[tulip kettle]

you are already using it near constantly with SP PA and CDR curios

[white valley]

You don't "need" it, but you will kill hordes faster

[visual phoenix]

[tulip kettle]

i will also say this

when i play flamer zealot, i constantly think to myself "i wish i had a way to make the fire spread when the enemies die"

[visual phoenix]

You get yourself a psyker in a team, he will do the job

[white valley]

Wildfire is quite noticeable for example during bosses, where your team is supposed to focus on the boss, and you're the one responsible for getting trash off them

[tulip kettle]

i also think "gosh im going to die here, again" a lot but thats neither here nor there

[visual phoenix]

So is it like

A poxwalker node?

[summer prairie]

does it only spread to poxwalkers

[tulip kettle]

it does many things

they have been stated many times

to quote 6

[white valley]

No it spreads to everything

[tulip kettle]

you just want people to agree with you and to be right

[summer prairie]

it's a flat damage buff to enemies it spreads to, wow it's like warp battery

but potentially a bigger buff

[visual phoenix]

I want to get a vision

I dont mind wf, i use it in some of builds

[hearty wolf]

I have high hopes for this team testing WB+WF

Fuck KD

Down with KD

KD cringe

[marble crater]

People who say KD is cringe are cringe

[jovial juniper]

Bro thinks he's going to do something

[hearty wolf]

Was I boxed in a corner with twins and every carapace enemy known to man?

Yes

I need a stamina curio

I only died because I left mah elevator to help team

[tulip kettle]

nah you died because you couldnt block for peril, obviously

[vernal temple]

nearly a perfect all-76er

[white valley]

Stamina curios are goated

[hearty wolf]

it's going so well

its op

wb is op too

[hearty wolf]

No it's actually such a gap

[ornate hamlet]

What is KD?

[near gale]

Yes(kinetic deflection I think)

[marble crater]

Yes

[hearty wolf]

Explain

[summer prairie]

Did a havoc run with warp battery

[hearty wolf]

19.1% 6 stacks?

[summer prairie]

yes

[hearty wolf]

That's v.good

Imo

[summer prairie]

is it

8% / 5

big damage

[hearty wolf]

O not for the damage

I mean for cd

What is it

8% CDR?

Compared to 4

[summer prairie]

I highly doubt I had 6 stacks 20% of the time when shrieking

[visual phoenix]

4% each

[hearty wolf]

Yeah so 8%

I found it good but I was also running wildfire so

I was murdering everything

KD drop is the way

[visual phoenix]

Neither am i. Its mostly a significant buff to something that you can control at least

[near gale]

oops

wrong thing

[visual phoenix]

You still using it to simple cc option or Lets roll in fire reborn on this pack

[summer prairie]

anyway, 3.21 average compared to high 2.x without battery

[near gale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1310998828329209946/unnamed.gif

[summer prairie]

but just one sample

[near gale]

dat <.<'

[hearty wolf]

I didn't actually find the damage impactful, it was just the cdr I found so good

Effectively made me quell like two less times per shriek cycle

It feels better but in actually, don't think it is that much better

[hearty wolf]

Oh wait.

Is this 19.1% of the 73.8% uptime?

[visual phoenix]

Still a good one

[tulip kettle]

indeed

isnt it 3 mins 21 seconds

out of the entire game

spent at 6 stacks

[visual phoenix]

bomboclat

[hearty wolf]

Cos ya gottas spend them and that puts you at 0

You know what

[visual phoenix]

Me cant look around sometimes :(

[hearty wolf]

Time for 100% uptime

Take shriek but not the subnodes

cos we won't be using it anyway

We path to soulstealer

souldrinker

[visual phoenix]

Emp shock

Since it works now yeppie

[tulip kettle]

emp shock to increase the ranged dmg from inferno?

[near gale]

https://tenor.com/view/hop-on-vermintide-gif-26493729

I was looking for a life leech one, but, I found that one first

[nocturne dust]

Says the guy who doesn't run Until Death on Zealot

[hearty wolf]

It's true

Defensive node bad

Teammate die if I can't kill everything on screen

is a struggle

[near gale]

The teammate who dies to the 1 poxwalker you couldn't kill:

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/its-me-hi-taylor-swift-antihero-hi-its-me-gif-26982379

[visual phoenix]

Its a warp damage taken increase if i remember correctly

[nocturne dust]

I'll die anyway to lag spikes and you cannot stop it

[hearty wolf]

You can't die to lag spikes if you don't play anyway 😭

[visual phoenix]

Doesnt worked when skill tree releases

[nocturne dust]

Bruh, Idk what job you have where you can relax and play for hours every day 💀

[hearty wolf]

Idk how you can't

Are you in the mines or smth

[nocturne dust]

I have a life

and require sleep

[hearty wolf]

Common myth

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/yikes-david-rose-david-dan-levy-schitts-creek-gif-18329617977390967051

[hearty wolf]

Just sleep 4ish hours

it's enough

And when you get to weekend

you do 8

[nocturne dust]

I already do

You are mistaken if you think I am healthy

[near gale]

https://tenor.com/view/musediet-spongebob-crazy-laugh-gif-14337867720066930731

[visual phoenix]

Holy shit
Risk of rain guy

[near gale]

nemesis commando :3

[visual phoenix]

[hearty wolf]

That reminds me

[visual phoenix]

My goat

[hearty wolf]

I hardly touched Risk of Rain returns

[near gale]

Well yeah, I have 3k solid hours in it >.>

[visual phoenix]

I played maybe 15 hrs in returns :(

[near gale]

Same, I only have sub 500 hours...

[hearty wolf]

😭

[nocturne dust]

I haven't touched RoR 2 since the original devs left it

[near gale]

lol

[visual phoenix]

Good for you :)

[hearty wolf]

After the bug fix, I don't think the latest dlc is all that bad tbh

[near gale]

I've played more trash mods than it

[hearty wolf]

For sure

[nocturne dust]

I've played less trash mods than it

[near gale]

Also compared to inferno difficulty... the dlc on release was not... that difficult for me...

[hearty wolf]

I think SoTV launch was the worst we're gonna get lul

Collapse was just a death sentence

[near gale]

It still is lol

[visual phoenix]

With this amount of experience its hard to think otherwise)

[hearty wolf]

It's nowhere near as bad, you can eat a stack or two

Inferno also isn't hard o,p

imo

The problem with difficulty mods

is that Acrid exists

and Acrid shits on all of the difficulty mods

[near gale]

I main mando...

[hearty wolf]

😭

[near gale]

And mando is omega easy on inferno tho

I gotta turn it to +150% base difficulty scaling for mando x.x

[nocturne dust]

Same type of person that says Havoc isn't hard and then loses 30 runs in a row

[near gale]

inferno's base difficulty scaling is +50% btw >.>

[hearty wolf]

I've gone full circle with a lot of characters and have somehow ended up that Huntress is the most dog shit character

[hearty wolf]

I don't lose, it's my team

I die of depression

It's a debuff

[nocturne dust]

Right, right

[near gale]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-warhammer-40k-warhammer-40k-darktide-darktide-40k-gif-1517647893401179892

[nocturne dust]

Less depression and more spiralling

[hearty wolf]

Last game actually

[near gale]

Huntress is probably my least favorite character in returns... and I got the providence trial on the like 2nd try with her despite almost never playing her :\

[hearty wolf]

We were 2000m away from the res's

and me and an Arby spent 35 minutes

tryinbg to get there

and then having to walk back 8 rooms

[near gale]

in ror2 loader is my least favorite character, she's just easy mode

[jovial juniper]

Loader supremacy

🗣️

[nocturne dust]

Sounds very fun and totally cool. I can understand why you like Havoc so much. 🥸

[near gale]

If I wanted a walking simulator I'd go play uprising in darktide

[hearty wolf]

I wouldn't have to if the other 2 didn't die 😭

They wanted to fight the BoN in a small roo

[nocturne dust]

RoR2 fungus engineer is my fav build

[hearty wolf]

I, on the other hand, did not

[hearty wolf]

Sounds about right

[near gale]

[near gale]

Fungus engineer is at least more engaging for me than loader is x.x

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-team-fortress2-tf2engineer-use-a-gun-and-if-that-dont-work-gif-17911768

[near gale]

I do take thermal harpoons tho >.>

[hearty wolf]

Literally afk gameplay

[nocturne dust]

The best kind of gameplay

[near gale]

That's assuming you camp lol

[hearty wolf]

I mean why move

You get a proc chain going

the map is dead

[near gale]

Cause I want loot

[nocturne dust]

chests

money

[hearty wolf]

you don't kill anything, your turrets do

you just pick up boxes

[near gale]

That's what you think lol

[nocturne dust]

Bro has never played engineer 💀

[hearty wolf]

Mad cope from the both of you 😭

[nocturne dust]

The literal dozen grenades I fire into enemy faces say otherwise

[near gale]

I literally play an active playstyle

[hearty wolf]

with stationary turrets?

[near gale]

Yes

Harpoons aren't good for a camping playstyle

[hearty wolf]

the turrets aren't moving

[near gale]

You can put them down in other places

[hearty wolf]

so if you were to stop moving, everything would still die and you couldn't

unless you get bell'd

[nocturne dust]

You can get their cooldown pretty low, and normally you put them in a good, central spot that overlooks a wide area and let them help you out

[near gale]

You don't have to play full camp with stationary turrets, that's just the boring way

[nocturne dust]

At the point turrets start killing everything, everyone else does that anyway

[late sapphire]

The obvious solution is to play in enemies drop items mode and just plop down your turrets and lean back

[near gale]

I also don't play engineer very often cause I prefer other m1's

but when I do I get visions usually

[hearty wolf]

I think they get there far more easily

Bleed in general is a pretty stupid way to scale damage

[near gale]

Yes you CAN play the stupid boring camp mode, but, that's legit the boring way

[hearty wolf]

is true

[near gale]

If I get bored I instant restart my run

[acoustic jacinth]

Ror2 talk? Based

[near gale]

And then get stage 1 sky meadows

[acoustic jacinth]

Incredibly fun with friends for some reason i can't point out

Kind of like drg and terraria hit

[hearty wolf]

I haven't tried DRG

[near gale]

btw stage 1 sundered grove or siren's call is cancer

[hearty wolf]

Like everyone says it's gone

and I look at it

[near gale]

larva... on stage 1...

[hearty wolf]

and it just makes me go "Eh.."

Do I just have to buy it and commit

[acoustic jacinth]

Tbh with you look

[hearty wolf]

Do you bother even doing alloy?

[near gale]

Every time even if it kills me lol

[hearty wolf]

Sundered grove stage 1

I'd quit

I ain't spending 400 years on that map

[nocturne dust]

Given your opinion on engineer, I diagnose you with "no taste" syndrome

[near gale]

I have a modded artifact that randomizes what stage 1 I get lol

[hearty wolf]

Single handedly the most dog shit map

That they have added

[near gale]

I choose any stage that isn't a stage 1 stage

[hearty wolf]

I'm not anti-engineer, just anti-afk and profit

[near gale]

Stage 1 scorched acres is also rough

[nocturne dust]

then play him actively mfer

[hearty wolf]

and as pointed out, you don't need to afk

[nocturne dust]

[acoustic jacinth]

If you really care about buildcrafting and overall depth, drg does have that but not to a top tier extent. Its focus is more on replayability, through the smooth flow of well generated maps, variety of missions and tons of stuff to craft. So it REALLY depends on you. If you want a break from DT i'd say it's perfect to have some more passive yet engaging and satisfying fun

[near gale]

stage 1 rallypoint delta is a free equipment lol

[hearty wolf]

mf I don't play him anyway because I'm busy getting wrist pain with railgunner or bandit

[nocturne dust]

Altho, for me the entire fun of ROR2 is getting to a point where you can go afk

[near gale]

I have yet to get wrist pain in ror2... :\

[hearty wolf]

I can imagine but I still think it's much easier to navigate than the dogshit that is SG

[near gale]

The entire fun for me is the climb to get past the hurdle of difficulty holding you back

After that it gets boring so I restart

[acoustic jacinth]

My fun in ror2 is definitely making stupid funny builds

[hearty wolf]

Sell it to me in a different way.

I don't care about buildcrafting. Just about the gameplay. What's the gameplay loop like and why does it have replayability?

[acoustic jacinth]

Crashing my pc in the process

[nocturne dust]

Enter mission
dig like a dwarf
kill bugs
complete objectives
race to extraction against a timer

[near gale]

I did a sacrifice, swarms, glass, evolution, metamorphosis run once. That was tough cause any wisp spawns or blind pest spawns basically equals gg

It's harder without using lunars

[nocturne dust]

Every mission is randomly generated

[hearty wolf]

This sound good.

Why am I digging. What do I dig for etc

[nocturne dust]

Minerals. you're a dwarf. You also dig for ammo.

[hearty wolf]

Oooo

And minerals loops back around into the whole build crafting stuff?

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/deep-rock-galactic-drg-nonagon-nitra-lootbug-gif-24678517

[near gale]

Me when I get bored

https://tenor.com/view/goodbye-krill-world-krill-lobster-lobster-fried-krill-fried-gif-7150912747510295957

It's how I have put 3k hours into ror2

as soon as I get bored, I have fun again by restarting

[nocturne dust]

yes, you use the minerals (other than nitra which you use for ammo) to buy meta progression stuff

[near gale]

the cycle of always chasing outscaling the enemies

[nocturne dust]

and cosmetics

DRG has a lot of free cosmetics unlike certain other games

cough

[near gale]

but on inferno stage 1 larva are 5x worse x.x

even more terrifying than light speed bison

[hearty wolf]

I'm actually quite interested now.

[acoustic jacinth]

Well, first off maps are procedurally generated. Objectives vary a lot, and are genuinely engaging, for example, one could have doing something as simple as you collecting eggs, the other has you building a full pathway to an oil pump. Second, modifiers, much like DT, drg has many modifiers, some positive, some negative. The endgame mostly consists of continuing to prestige all of your dwarves, hunting for cosmetics and overclocks (modifications to your weapons that change how they work). Mission loops though are simply, do objective, mine resources, kill stuff whilst doing both so they don't kill you, prepare for hordes when major swarms arise.

[nocturne dust]

You can also get drunk in a bar

[deft stump]

Also, battlepasses are free.

[hearty wolf]

What's the difficulty like? Do I play it with the GF or will that give me brain damage?

[nocturne dust]

and beer can cause funny lobby shenanigans

[nocturne dust]

It's varied

[near gale]

I'm used to SG, so it doesn't cause much issues besides stage 1 larva. I'm dreading getting stage 1 helminth hatchery tho...

[nocturne dust]

They have quite a few options

It can get pretty difficult if you're trying to solo.

[hearty wolf]

The cosmetics and overclock sounds cool. Sounds quite varied too.

Alright

[deft stump]

Everything is basically paid for by blatant shown DLC cosmetics with no fomo.

[hearty wolf]

I have actually been sold on DRG

On steam it qas quite pricey so lets check dodgy key websites

[nocturne dust]

imagine

[acoustic jacinth]

Oh by the way, mods. If you're that kinda guy in dt as well

Moooodsss

Lots of mods

[nocturne dust]

30 bucks is pricey?

[deft stump]

You choose what you want and buy from the Steam DLC... or be a cheapo and mod in cosmetics.

[near gale]

https://tenor.com/view/virus-please-wait-downloading-retro-win95-gif-26539025

[nocturne dust]

It goes on sale too y'know

[hearty wolf]

Sick

that's pretty good

[nocturne dust]

Ew

[acoustic jacinth]

Keys or wait for a sale - drg had genuinely generous sales

Eneba is a safe site

Go for it

[near gale]

I first read that as enema . com

[hearty wolf]

I use Eneba all the time, it's my go-to

They're so dodgy

Like

they're selling children or something

[acoustic jacinth]

Haha

[hearty wolf]

but it keeps the prices down

[acoustic jacinth]

I got monster hunter wilds for 25€

Lolol

[deft stump]

Is sketch from memory. Grey market

[near gale]

ooo, I'm over 500 repeats on this new song I've been listening to :3

[acoustic jacinth]

Oh when i say safe i just mean YOU will be safe

[nocturne dust]

Almost all of them are sketchy grey markets. Would not trust, 0/10

[near gale]

Only have been listening to the song for a month

:3

[deft stump]

Is there any deal shows all legit shops.

[acoustic jacinth]

Whenever you do get it, play scout if you enjoy movement. Grapple hook, shotgun techs to bounce yourself around like a maniac.

[deft stump]

Scout only on low ping. That grapple hook is a death sentence on high ping.

[near gale]

https://tenor.com/view/davy-jones-death-pirates-of-the-caribbean-gif-6581654474224596036

[deft stump]

To be fair, you falling 5 cm can mean death even then.

[near gale]

so low vigor dark souls 2, got it

[acoustic jacinth]

True, but eh, with what i've seen most nowadays are doing good

Net's getting better

It's just when we're far

Have to play darktide at 150ms for my murican mate

[brazen compass]

Check GamerThor (I bought Darktide through them)

[zealous wing]

true friend right there

[deft stump]

Thing is, is peer2peer. Is even more spicy.

[brazen compass]

Or even better, isthereanydeal.com

[near gale]

so like vt2, oof

[zealous wing]

power has been out for an hour now, phone at 8%. tis a sad day

[near gale]

I always host in vt2 cause you can't rely on randos >.>

[acoustic jacinth]

Saltzpyre personality for my zealot i beg

[deft stump]

As said, that site only has legit shops.

[deft stump]

Yep. Why host advantage.

[zealous wing]

AYYY I FUCKING K EW ITD WORK

powers back

[deft stump]

No battery packs?

[zealous wing]

:D

[near gale]

Tho being the host makes it so you have to unbind jump from dodge x.x

[acoustic jacinth]

I feel like nowadays playing around steam sales is pretty good to begin with. Keeping steamdb as your friend

[zealous wing]

no my solar power bank sploded

[deft stump]

Eh?

[deft stump]

Those are terrible. Use normal ones imo.

[near gale]

in darktide there is enough lag on the server closest to me that I almost never jump with the 2 keys bound together, in vt2 you will jump every other dodge as the host

[deft stump]

I don't even dodge in cata.