psyker-class

[tulip kettle]

germans have words like

[pale prairie]

Like the rest of world and thinking about Wales

[gray juniper]

Honestly it’s pretty awesome and funny

[tulip kettle]

bicyclefalloffaccidentrecovery

[marble crater]

Bicycle is drive wheel

[pale prairie]

I can’t even make fun of that

It’s technically correct

[gray juniper]

But my satire wasn’t far off

[tulip kettle]

they just get words and mash them together

then take that mashed up word and mash more words on it

[pale prairie]

It’s okay in Japan they just take the word and add U at the end to make it more Japanese sounding

[tulip kettle]

its kind of elegant really

[pale prairie]

icu creamu

Roastu beefu

[pale prairie]

They win longest word probably

[gray juniper]

But isn’t roast beef native to Japan?

[tulip kettle]

longest word is in new zealand

[tulip kettle]

no, and also fuck off

[gray juniper]

Like they had their own kind I’m pretty sure

[marble crater]

In German we take English movie titles, and turn them into different English movie titles, instead of translating them

[pale prairie]

They have cows and beef but when we are talking about the sliced sandwich meat

[gray juniper]

Ah I see

[tulip kettle]

theres a reason the french called the british "rossbifs" for hundreds of years

[pale prairie]

Is that….stealing?

[marble crater]

I don't know

[gray juniper]

Hey easy with the gun my man. I didn’t mean like invented roast beef as we know it

[pale prairie]

Must make looking up movies a little harder

[tulip kettle]

i mean most cultures have "cooked meat"

cmon now

[gray juniper]

Why do you call them frogs?

[tulip kettle]

roast beef, what americans might call london broil

[pale prairie]

Bruh roast beef is his national identity

[tulip kettle]

ius british

[tulip kettle]

because they eat frogs

unironically

[pale prairie]

It’s like the only dish they roast instead of boil the hell out of

[gray juniper]

I know I really fumbled hard on British food landlines

[gray juniper]

That’s fucking hilarious. So it’s two food insults

[marble crater]

Possibly we also invented new English sounding words for things, instead of using a German word. If you want to look up mobile phone

[tulip kettle]

snail eating surrender monkeys 🙂

MEIN HANDI

WO IST MEIN HANDI

[marble crater]

[gray juniper]

Ong

[pale prairie]

If it has a lack of color and flavor it’s probably British. If it is delicious and has spices it’s from overseas (or an immigrant like tikka masala)

[tulip kettle]

sorry, but again no

[gray juniper]

Tikka masala isn’t even that good tbh

[pale prairie]

Whoa

That’s a hot take

[tulip kettle]

modern stereotypes about british food comes from americans in WW2 and the 50s

[pale prairie]

You haven’t had a good one

[gray juniper]

Sorry to burst your bubble home skillet

[tulip kettle]

oh wow, the nation under total war and brutal rationing for 10 years doesnt have good food

colour me surprised

[pale prairie]

Nah it comes from native British jokes about their naval empire being the best in the world cause the sailors couldn’t stand staying home and eating native dishes

[marble crater]

Sorry not sorry

[pale prairie]

Did you try just winning?

[tulip kettle]

yes actually 🙂

[pale prairie]

Or taking it from India?

[gray juniper]

Krieg intensifies

[pale prairie]

Jokes aside @gray juniper good tikka masala is amazing

It’s savory, spicy, a little sweet. It hits all the notes

[tulip kettle]

and if were going to start talking about colonialisation, appropriation, the slave trade etc, firstly, i request that we DONT

and secondly i would say probably learn some more history

[gray juniper]

I can understand what you like about it but I prefer similar dishes of Latin American, Italian, Spanish or African origin over it

Thai food does the same

[tulip kettle]

thai food is fucking peak

[pale prairie]

Was never really taking it seriously and secondly you don’t know what I know

[gray juniper]

A man of culture

Vietnamese food is the unknown good one also

If you like healthy food, Vietnamese and Japanese are near the top

[tulip kettle]

isnt pho vietnamese?

[pale prairie]

Interesting since I feel there’s a lot of crossover

[gray juniper]

Yes

[sullen rain]

O yea bby, we assailmaxxing

[pale prairie]

It’s okay but I get kind of tired of broths and duck. But the Bahn Mi can fuck

[sullen rain]

(H29)

[gray juniper]

I don’t think you’ve seen a place with a properly diversified menu. They have more “dry” entrees than you’d think

[pale prairie]

I live in a place with a huge food culture and tons of food carts. There’s not a lot of Vietnamese food that I have had that makes me go I’d eat this everyday

The inclusion of fresh and pickled veggies with most meals is pretty nice though

[gray juniper]

I know you’ll hate this. Bahn mi is good but it doesn’t knock me off my feet

[pale prairie]

I think we have different taste buds hahaha

[gray juniper]

My favorite Vietnamese food is bun bo xao

[gray juniper]

True. That’s ok

[tulip kettle]

now, some rare roast beef, some nice sage and thyme tatties, yorkie puds, proper gravy, fresh carrots and brassicas straight from the garden.... i would eat that every single day

[pale prairie]

Hey that’s not bad. It’s pretty good but I like Korean barbecue better if I am going savory sweet protein

[ripe obsidian]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Brassica_Prime

[pale prairie]

I think I know all of that but Thyme Tatties

Is that thyme potatoes?

[gray juniper]

I’m a bitter person. That’s our difference and it makes the tastes at odds obvious now. Very light sweet is ok

[tulip kettle]

ye

[gray juniper]

I can hear the hobbit accent off of this

[pale prairie]

I mean bun Bo xao has a bunch of lemongrass and brown sugar. Not super bitter

[gray juniper]

Yea it’s a guilty pleasure. I have an addiction to lemongrass

[pale prairie]

The oyster sauce adds some depth but I think it’s more savory

[pale prairie]

It’s good shit

[pale prairie]

Oh definitely

[gray juniper]

If I eat too much I’d get a headache though. A small plate is good enough. I have a serious sugar sensitivity

[pale prairie]

Is brassica commonly used in the UK to describe broccoli?

[pale prairie]

Well probably good for your health though! Haha

[marble crater]

Pho you

[tulip kettle]

depends if you grow em or not i guess

[ripe obsidian]

Here I thought brassica was more often cabbage

Did Runescape lie to me

[pale prairie]

No maybe my Latin is bad

[tulip kettle]

thats the point brassicas come in all different varieties but most people think of normal broccoli

[pale prairie]

https://cdn.britannica.com/41/91241-050-A93470CC/forms-cabbage-brussels-sprouts-cauliflower-broccoli-kale.jpg

It’s from the BRITANNICA

[ripe obsidian]

"Brassica species and varieties commonly used for food include bok choy, broccoli, Brussels sprouts, cauliflower, cabbage, collard greens, choy sum, kale, kohlrabi, napa cabbage, rutabaga, turnip and some seeds used in the production of canola oil and the condiment mustard. "

[tulip kettle]

cabbages and cauliflowers, tenderstems, sprouts, kohlrabi are all tasty AF

and yes cauli cheese is an absolute staple

[pale prairie]

What the hell

Is that cheese made from cauliflower?

[ripe obsidian]

I think it is cheese on, not made from

[tulip kettle]

its cauliflower in cheese sauce and its fucking amazing

[pale prairie]

Ahhhhh

[pale prairie]

Yeah I’ve seen that here too

[tulip kettle]

guys im hungry now

thanks

[pale prairie]

Cauliflower is nice cause it’s like tofu. Very mild flavor and just absorbs whatever you put it in

[pale prairie]

Good I can’t eat lunch for another few hours

Suffer

[ripe obsidian]

You're welcome

[tulip kettle]

hurr durr no spices must be flavourless

[pale prairie]

Hahaha like Mac and cheese but no pasta

[pale prairie]

It’s called over exaggerating stereotypes

[tulip kettle]

mac and cheese is just "i want to eat melted cheese but its unnaceptable to just eat a bowl of melted cheese so ill put pasta in it"

[pale prairie]

“I want to eat roasted cauliflower but it would look weird alone so I’ll put cheese sauce in it”?

[tulip kettle]

oh no no

roasted cauli alone = nice

melted cheese = nice

[pale prairie]

Yeah I have had it myself

[tulip kettle]

combine the 2 and you are half way to assembling exodia

[pale prairie]

Some harissa powder on that

[tulip kettle]

ras el hanout

[pale prairie]

Mmmmmmm

[marble crater]

Don't let Sin know you are hungry, he will flame you again

[tulip kettle]

he knows im a fat shit

[pale prairie]

I think nothing stops that

[tulip kettle]

more food motivated than my dog

[pale prairie]

It’s like rain

[marble crater]

Are you saying years of playing zealot have made Sin... toxic?

[ripe obsidian]

https://oxfordre.com/foodstudies/display/10.1093/acrefore/9780197762530.001.0001/acrefore-9780197762530-e-48

[pale prairie]

I mean I don’t want to jump to conclusions but maybe he was before zealot?

[marble crater]

[tulip kettle]

youre awesome six

should rename yourself to "source?"

[ripe obsidian]

This is less detailed, but same topic. r/AskHistorians is one of very few trustworthy subreddits, as they are very restrictive on who can answer posts.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/1421zr8/why_did_the_british_conquer_the_world_for_spices/

"This shows that the main thing that British merchants sought wasn't spices or cloth, but money. British demand for goods mattered as far as money could be extracted from British markets, and where British demand was insufficient (as it was for spices), there were other markets."

[tulip kettle]

peppercorns a great example

are they tasty? yes

can the avg brit at the time afford them? fuck no

also the one thing that i wish was made more clear in most peoples education would be this

its always about class and wealth

[ripe obsidian]

I like knowing why things are the way they are. Things that don't make sense must be tamed and must become Known.

[pale prairie]

And yet Sichuan cuisine has sooooo many

[tulip kettle]

its not about race or any of that stuff

the aristocracy were abusing the populace and using them as slave labour long before and long after colonialism

[pale prairie]

https://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/pdf/2018/12/aa32898-18.pdf

Long way to go

[tulip kettle]

same as the myth of women in the workforce

[ripe obsidian]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-53432877

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/9nbhwz/im_an_upperclass_englishman_in_victorian_england/

[ripe obsidian]

I am also trying to be aware of my limits. That sort of thing is beyond my limits

[tulip kettle]

and finally that, when it comes to nearly ever social injustice you can think of

britain was some of the worst perpetuators of these

and also instrumental and world leading in dismantling them

[ripe obsidian]

With tough competition. Looking at you, Belgium

[tulip kettle]

literally everyone "did a slavery", but it was Britain and its empire that put a stop to it, where it could

we dont talk about the belgian congo 🙂

or barbary pirates

or the open slave markets in somalia

[pale prairie]

95%!

[tulip kettle]

or "portugal"

that doesnt fit the narrative that "britain bad"

[pale prairie]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943

[tulip kettle]

yes we all know about the bengal famine

same as we all know about the blight in ireland

i just said britain was instrumental in perpetuating injustice

[pale prairie]

Just curious about your take not disagreeing

[tulip kettle]

and i would ALSO point out the commonwealth and free movement for citizens of the commonwealth

its not a coincidence that indian food and culture is a deep part of modern british culture

and this is a bit more local specific but as we're on the subject

scotland

and their modern day "hate" for the british

[ripe obsidian]

The US still does slavery! It's in the Constitution!

[tulip kettle]

nobody can be a slave

[pale prairie]

How do you feel about independence?

[tulip kettle]

unless they are a criminal

then its fine

[tulip kettle]

what do you mean? for scotland?

[pale prairie]

Yeah

[tulip kettle]

again i dont want to get into it but its a fundemental misunderstanding

look at the oppression of the irish

its seen as a "british" thing

but really its a "scotland" thing

[pale prairie]

What do you mean by that??

[tulip kettle]

....

[pale prairie]

Like Scotland was oppressing the Irish?

[tulip kettle]

do you know how northenr ireland came to exist?

[pale prairie]

I thought it was the split over Catholicism and Protestants. Some kind of “policy to keep the peace”

[tulip kettle]

its scottish people taking over a p[art of ireland.

[ripe obsidian]

https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-13/

[tulip kettle]

except if they are prisoners

sorry i got distracted

[ripe obsidian]

🙃

[tulip kettle]

yeah that is the point though its literally in the US constitution that slavery is still legal

[ripe obsidian]

I hate it a lot.

[pale prairie]

I mean it still has language about “whole persons” being counted for the census. Because slaves were only fractions

[tulip kettle]

slavery is also still legal in a number of african and middle eastern countries

[ripe obsidian]

And even that was to appease slaveholding states who wanted to rig elections. Yay, electoral college.

[tulip kettle]

generally the parts that were never under british control.

[ripe obsidian]

Didn't the UK like just finish paying off the debt from freeing slaves?

[tulip kettle]

indeed

we agreed to pay all the slave owners to free their slaves

[ripe obsidian]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_Compensation_Act_1837

[pale prairie]

I guess the question I have is do other countries have prisoners perform labor or is it just the US

[tulip kettle]

and were paying it off until the 2010's

[pale prairie]

Yeah I read about that recently. It was a long term loan. Very long term

[tulip kettle]

i also just want to say

when britain rocked up to africa

[ripe obsidian]

Most other western countries have significantly smaller and more effective prison systems.

[tulip kettle]

the narrative is "oh they went around kindapping people"

[pale prairie]

Yeah but they also have much less stringent substance abuse laws

[tulip kettle]

the reality is, we bought them. from local slavers.

[pale prairie]

It’s a policy handed down from the attempted incarceration of particular minorities using the screen of the War on Drugs

[ripe obsidian]

And probably fewer privatized prisons making a profit

[pale prairie]

I think that only came about due to the fact that our system was flooded with these “mandatory minimum” low level offenders that then would become hardened and repeatedly get incarcerated. It’s a problem that spiraled wildly out of control.

Then capitalism did what it does. Saw a void with money potential and filled it.

[upper sun]

no

[ripe obsidian]

:(

[ripe obsidian]

Blech. How depressing.

In happier news, I put in a ticket and the facilities team is now investigating to potential ceiling cat

[tulip kettle]

you have ceiling cat?

[marble crater]

Shame

[ripe obsidian]

I heard meowing in my office and can't find the beast

[upper sun]

i am hiding in your walls

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/uncomfortable-wtf-nervous-what-are-gif-25480298

[pale prairie]

Scramble IT

[pale prairie]

Terrifying

[upper sun]

boiled is better

[pale prairie]

Poached

[upper sun]

oh sorry i didnt read the previous message

[ripe obsidian]

I am IT

[upper sun]

you're the cat?

[pale prairie]

I know 😉

Wouldn’t rather be looking for Cat CLAD?

[upper sun]

why are we capitalizing it?

[ripe obsidian]

IT is Information Technology

[upper sun]

no

[ripe obsidian]

I make the computers beep and boop

[upper sun]

I.T. is

IT is just it

[pale prairie]

Or not beep boop if you are feeling evil

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/space-balls-funny-ive-lost-gif-12056050

[upper sun]

damn that was a flashbang i'm starting to remember that movie now

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-ninja-out-funny-animals-bye-gif-9883070

[ripe obsidian]

No one has time to use full stops in an acronym. That's like 1 extra second. Absurd. Ridiculous. Nonsense. Silliness.

.............

I'm saving those full stops, anyway. Might need them later

[upper sun]

too many adjectives

you cant use any for the next 4 posts

[marble crater]

That's not how adjectives work

[upper sun]

nuh uh

[fresh reef]

Havoc 20

why are they always so stupid

[gray juniper]

What do you think of the Zimbabwe/Rhodesia history?

[fresh reef]

DH ahead but they just keep pressing W when twins spawn

[pale prairie]

Woof yeah Darktide is the game of learning the hard way

I don’t understand why pinging doesn’t work in this game. Makes me wonder if it’s a server issue. “You are out of ammo and there’s some RIGHT HERE”

Ignored

[fresh reef]

this is the build I'm running and I managed to outdamage an arbitrator by 100k lol

[fresh reef]

gamers don't turn have ears

simple as

they just tunnel vision on whatever's on their screen

[pale prairie]

If it’s working for you then great

[gray juniper]

I modestly interject that the problem is more complex and compounding than people would assume, rather than bad intentions alone. Basically tax money would have a more difficult time paying for the size and recidivism along with the severity of offender potential while incarcerated. The best thing anyone individually can do to improve the situation themselves is to not fund drug money by purchasing illicit drugs which is a nexus for almost everything criminal related now

[marble crater]

Sometimes people are just new, so many times I pinged the med station for that 20 HP veteran with green title, only for them to run past and shoot into the horde again

[gray juniper]

It’s havoc 20. That’s exactly what it’s like. Some guy is fresh off his maelstrom and thinking “fuck yea boi I’m great at this game. Nothing is going to surprise me”

[fresh reef]

this is why I'm hardstuck at this havoc tier

I'm not good enough yet to consistently solo clutch when I don't run ubermeta builds, at least on psyker anyway

[gray juniper]

It’s a dice roll each day is all. Sometimes I go up sometimes I go down. Sometimes people actually want to play more than one match together

[fresh reef]

yet so SO often, the moment two bosses show up the team just forgets how to fucking block

[gray juniper]

I’ve deranked the last two weeks because I didn’t want to play that much

[marble crater]

Doing havoc

[gray juniper]

No normal game mode prepares people for beating havoc consistently except havoc

[fresh reef]

Twins/Captains have flak armored heads, yes?

[gray juniper]

Sometimes I win a 30 with a random group. Then other times I join a 25 and lose all three right after

[pale prairie]

It is a complex problem but I think we have a good case study with Prohibition history. When you make something illegal like alcohol or drugs/marijauna you create a service vacuum that organized crime will happily fill and profit off. The solution is to create actual programs focused on mandatory recovery and not just throw them into a cell over and over. In combination with taking the money from illicit drug running by relaxing some of the draconian laws that were originally written and intended to put minorities behind bars. “Soft on crime” is not a look people want though.

[pale prairie]

Yeah they seem to get excited. My favorite is pinging ammo they run past so I just pick it up and then they run back to look at it.

[gray juniper]

I think they’re flak in totality

[fresh reef]

Noted, thank you

I asked about head only just because they're so easy to hit lmao

[pale prairie]

Well maybe auric twins but that’s it

[fresh reef]

taking flak+unyielding since it feels like I've gotta do all the fucking boss damage as well as manage the horde AND snipe specials

otherwise my team folds

[pale prairie]

Yeah I run that on my EK staff and carapace unyielding on my FGS

[gray juniper]

Eh I’m a believer of the devil you know over what has been https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/inside-story-americas-19th-century-opiate-addiction-180967673/

[fresh reef]

I run unstable so the breakpoints against carapace aren't really too different

so I'm opting for more boss dps instead

[gray juniper]

Lmao welcome to the club

[fresh reef]

also, you guys have GOT to try this setup with Wall

it is so much fun lol

[pale prairie]

What does that mean? Just accept the way things are now? I firmly disagree with that because this problem doesn’t get better if our approach is the same as the last 40 years. But I digress cause this isn’t the place for that

[ripe obsidian]

H20 might not have high enough density for typical meta builds to be ideal

[gray juniper]

It’s ok just remember to exhale. The majority of people play regular game and all face in on a singular boss, they watch the health bar go down and assume they’re doing a lot of it themselves. Sometimes they face TWO bosses and cheer as it’s handled with not too much difficulty. The difference is in havoc the horde is genuinely more dangerous also with the combined modifiers. You’d probably favor from assuming most people don’t do boss maelstroms as often as you’d assume either. So experience on doing both at the same time is probably more novel for most

[verbal thistle]

Twins shoulder pads are also cara

[ripe obsidian]

Rude of them

[pale prairie]

What’s rude is having different armor than captains

Think they are better or something

[pale prairie]

What blessings do you usually run on your EK EP assail build?

[verbal thistle]

One sec

I might have it saved somewhere

Can't find it easily on mobile

EK is flak unyield surge nexus

Obscurus is stam maniac deflector precog

If melee focus with sword flak unyielding precog uncanny

[gray juniper]

No of course not. Just that it’s good some drugs remain firmly illegal because the legality was just as bad with historical precedent. I’d like to see more innovative approaches to handling the drug trade industry, even very industrious policy work with other countries to hamper these organizations. I’d also like to see Americans turn away from all illicit drug trade more often. After learning who and how on the source of these things, it’s a trail of pain and tears back and forth

[verbal thistle]

If I remember I can just make a ton of random Gameslantern builds later that I use

[tulip kettle]

havoc is hard when it spawns 4 bosses at once and some of them are pink

otherwise its w/e, can your team stay together and press their buttons? then no problem

[pale prairie]

Even that article you posted is about historical uses and not the problems we face today. Drugs are here to stay and the approach of burning them, arresting, or catching drug runners has been tried for decades and has failed. We lost the war on drugs. Just like the war on alcohol. People will do what they want to do and even education programs like DARE were hilarious failures. Let’s try something new like yes penalizing public use. And intent to distribute but provide treatment and alternative programs to incarceration. And again legalization would hurt these drug trafficking groups far more than just driving scarcity and therefore the prices they can charge and cash in on.

[pale prairie]

Many thanks

[tulip kettle]

i love to see the nuanced, respectful discussion around world issues

but also its a bit much for psyker chat at this point fellas

[pale prairie]

Does it help at all to retreat after first or second boss spawn? Or is it just inevitable

[tulip kettle]

do not retreat unless you all retreat together

applies 100% of the time

[pale prairie]

Obviously, I was just wondering if the mechanics are predictable in that way or if location doesn’t matter for boss/horde proccing

[tulip kettle]

and when youre fighting say, captain and a spawn

and then twins spawn

[gray juniper]

Yea sorry it’s not supposed to be political

[tulip kettle]

you just gotta do what you gotta do

[gray juniper]

Sometimes I get carried away!

[ripe obsidian]

Asking a lot.

[tulip kettle]

the biggest problem is pink bosses when twins are up

because goodplayers will focus the sword twin

but then there is a pink cspawn behind them healing them

[ripe obsidian]

In most cases it is better to do a stupid thing as a team than a smart thing alone.

[tulip kettle]

and its just a "well fuck" situation tbh

[gray juniper]

Yea this seems to work out

[pale prairie]

Like taking the fight in a really bad position?

[gray juniper]

Damage is seemingly inevitable

[tulip kettle]

bad position?

if you are as 4

there is no bad position

[ripe obsidian]

You sure? I thought the proper thing was to let the sword twin lock down a party member, let the ranged twin litter the floor with mines, and focus the horde that comes with boss spawns.

[tulip kettle]

except literally stood in fire

[pale prairie]

Open areas with no bubble and lots of snipers in addition to the bosses?

No choke point

[tulip kettle]

if you are 4 together it will be fine

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, like fighting in an open space instead of a choke point (excise vault is bad for this) or pushing too quickly or retreating too far.

[tulip kettle]

for real

[gray juniper]

If you look at military tactics, every position on these maps is a kill zone, ambush box, fatal funnel, plunging fire trap or otherwise

[tulip kettle]

your abilities and team dps will overcome all

[pale prairie]

Exactly what I said hahaha

[gray juniper]

Fatshark was on its full sadomasochism making this game

[tulip kettle]

if you are 4 together

in my experience

the biggest issue with H40 is players being too cautious

they dont want to move forward

they want to hang back and feel safe

[ripe obsidian]

As four players in Havoc, you can often survive in bad situations if everyone is decent. As a single player, unless you're really amazing, you will struggle to get through even great situations

[tulip kettle]

and then you just get swarmed by infinite gunners and armour and you lose

nothing makes me madder than seeing an ogryn stood behind his team trying to duel gunners

[gray juniper]

But you’re punished for being in small places too

[pale prairie]

I mean yeah but my experience has been dying alone in good position or dying together in bad position

[ripe obsidian]

Tbh that's the biggest appeal of bubble, encouraging the team to push

[gray juniper]

Cue the grenades and flamers

[tulip kettle]

fucking PUSH THEM and stop them spawning

[jovial juniper]

Just dodge lol

[tulip kettle]

its always sad to be the psyker pushing the reaper pack as your arb and ogryn watch from behind you

[gray juniper]

4-5 boss situation? Sorry, im not higui

[tulip kettle]

agent has a great clip of him pushing a gunner pack with inferno bubble and his team being like "waaah come back"

[pale prairie]

Ooof

[tulip kettle]

NO IDIOTS, IF YOU DID THIS THEN I DIDNT NEED TO BE HERE ALONE

[gray juniper]

Every time that happens it becomes the most difficult point in the game

[tulip kettle]

low skill havoc/lack of confidence havoc team = hang back, retreat, clear everything

[pale prairie]

I hear though if you stick 4 together you will win

[gray juniper]

Yet this is the most effective tactic to neutralize the gunner threat

[tulip kettle]

die in 50 minutes

high skill havoc team = move forward whenever you can and set up a new hardpoint further forward

die in 30 minutes or win

[brave drift]

nice Ogryn mentioned it's nice seeing a Psyker (me). I assume he hasn't seen one in a while, and apparently they're mroe likely to be better than other classes on average. Anyways I killed myself by going max peril.

[pale prairie]

I guess it’s just team comp and coordination more than anything

[ripe obsidian]

What difficulty, out of curiosity? I see Psyker pretty consistently in H40. I don't join those lobbies. I need my Beloved all to myself. >:(

[brave drift]

Auric, was warming up after doing my melk missiosn on other classes

[ripe obsidian]

Coordination and guts. Be not afraid. Fight the heretics.

[pale prairie]

Hah my last 40 I tried pushing into the horde and the other 3 left my bubble and retreated back a room. Wasn’t even a boss

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, that tracks. Auric players commonly come into this chat talking about how Psyker is the weakest class and/or they keep dying after swapping from Ogryn or Arbiter. I think it's the triple "issue" of Psyker having a higher skill floor and ceiling to perform well, being super squishy and unforgiving of mistakes, and Auric density often not enabling full Psykitude.

[fresh reef]

build goes crazy in aurics when I don't have to carry babies through their first ever havoc

[brave drift]

yes I got spoilt by Ogryn tankiness.

[pale prairie]

@ripe obsidian is there a reason a lot of people don’t take psychic leeching?

[tulip kettle]

because EP is not really used

and toughness gen is nerfed in havoc

and psyker tree has so many good nodes leaching seem bad compared to most other things you can spend that point on

and finally, why buff team wen can buff self and get yellow numbah?

[pale prairie]

I mean on assail doesn’t it proc on every shard thrown up to the max charges you have? Like 3. That’s 60% toughness regen for you and team

[tulip kettle]

but its not 60% in havoc

[pale prairie]

I mean yeah but that’s still a lot compared to other talents that are also affected

[ripe obsidian]

Sort of. I need to check the code, but I think only coherency gen is slowed by like 50%. The lower base toughness also matters for % regen

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-im-awake-gif-20635386

@hearty wolf @tulip kettle

[tulip kettle]

HE HAS ARISEN

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/wake-up-morning-good-morning-gif-5903581903933326842

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/awake-woke-elmo-i-has-awoken-wake-gif-16298489

Morning

[tulip kettle]

i guess this means i should stop playing DoW remaster

[strong gulch]

DoW?

Almost typed CoW

[pale prairie]

Psychic Leeching
Using your Blitz while Empowered Psionics is active replenishes 20% Toughness to you and Allies in Coherency.

[verbal thistle]

I disagree with this

but this comes down to player skill and knowledge

[tulip kettle]

dawn of war

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JrtFazaS7g&ab_channel=SNAKE

[marble crater]

Maybe Drow

[tulip kettle]

all the chaos cultist voicelines have a permanent place in my psyche

OUR LIVES ARE FORFEIT

[dull scroll]

what you learn the hard way is, once shit hits the fan, everyman for himself and survival of the fittest is the way 😏

[tulip kettle]

honestly i pass plenty of 40's, but the reality is teamplay and staying together > anything else

[pale prairie]

Kay so knife or DS it is

[ripe obsidian]

I guess it depends on what you're giving up, how often you're blitzing, and how much your team needs more toughness. The main reason it isn't used, I think, is that few people use EP, and those that do are often skilled enough that more toughness gen is not necessary.

[verbal thistle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f6c6f78-07e9-4f95-9d87-83051928de7c/psyker-melee-7 @pale prairie

[pale prairie]

Much thanks

[tulip kettle]

prime example, six is a great player. playing together the other day, he is last alive with full hp and a good vantage over the current area we are fighting

the moment the rest of us died, everything aggro on him and he also die

solo clutching is just so rare in H40

[ripe obsidian]

To use an Arbiter comparison, I was using the +team toughness on dog kill node, but I came to the conclusion that a selfish node provided more benefit b/c it meant I could save my team if they were doofy. I am the selfish Arby stereotype.

[ripe obsidian]

Is that when I sprinted through a hallway of maulers trying to get to the revive?

[dull scroll]

skill issue tsk tsk

[tulip kettle]

i dont remember, it was sycorax

[white valley]

A good motto to follow is "It's better to make a mistake together than to make the right decision alone"

[tulip kettle]

we fought twins and captain at the bottom of the stairs near the door to inside

there was a DH fucking us also

[ripe obsidian]

Oh, I am thinking of a Relay Station map, I think

I maybe remember that one. Yeah, I am not the best at solo clutching

[tulip kettle]

i dont remember exactly but i just remember me and sin down below fighting in melee and you watcing above us burning everything

[ripe obsidian]

Ohhhhh, I do remember that, yeah

[dull scroll]

this game once you are surrounded you have to cut a path out asap backward of it's team wipe, this holds true 90% of the time, and this game aims to surround you all the time
newbies who hold their ground and not reposition are generally the first to die

[tulip kettle]

then we both died, and then you died. Its not a criticism f anybody in any way im just saying solo clutching in the situations you need to solo clutch in 40 are very rare.

[white valley]

A team can fight surrounded just fine, a lone player cannot

[ripe obsidian]

Non-VB Psyker has a hell of a time cutting a path through anything when surrounded.

[pale prairie]

This has been what my instincts have told me. Time staying in one place gives the AI director time to position specials and elites

[tulip kettle]

hard disagree

the newbie who runs away because they are scared is what causes the wipe

if you stand as 4 and fight you will prevail

[dull scroll]

newbies DON'T run away, that's their problem

newbies have zero situational awareness

[ripe obsidian]

Didn't take it as a criticism. If I am the last person standing on Psyker and I don't have, like, VB + Bubble, I am dying 95% of the time

[dull scroll]

they spam atk what's in front of them oblivious to everything else

[tulip kettle]

its so funny playng aurics and like 4 crushers spawn

i run at them and start bonking

team mate runs away

[dull scroll]

fighting as 4 without reposition is a death sentence in a lot of cases when caught

[plucky flax]

Sry im new

[ripe obsidian]

Retreat and run away are different. Moving backward to a more advantageous position or to kite enemies is smart. Blindly fleeing or charging ahead without a plan is not so smart.

[tulip kettle]

moving back 10m to funnel through a choke = good

moving back because armour = scary is bad

[pale prairie]

This is what I was originally asking

[tulip kettle]

but note

[plucky flax]

I had a round with beef when we ran 2 rooms back. So very noob

[tulip kettle]

moving back 10m to a choke

fine

retreating and retreating and retreating = bad

also dont forget

[white valley]

Moving back 10m to a choke so that your frontline and backline work together seamlessly makes total sense

[pale prairie]

And that’s retreating room to room? Cause I thought kiting had a place in the game too

[tulip kettle]

if you retreat you literally just lose progress and need to do the same section again

but likely with less people now because somebody died

[verbal thistle]

50m meter without someone front is how blockade happens

[dull scroll]

assuming no problem with mechanics 99% of wipes are caused by bad positioning, which most of the time translates to, no repositioning

[tulip kettle]

and then you go back 3 rooms and "the wall" spawns

[plucky flax]

The wall

[verbal thistle]

3 people can go far back as they want

1 person needs to be front progression

[dull scroll]

it's a mind set consolidated from aurics where you can just spam your way out of any situation

[tulip kettle]

also in aurics you can just, go back

you wont be punished in the same way

[pale prairie]

I don’t retreat in auric

[tulip kettle]

i almost never see "the wall (tm)" in aurics

[plucky flax]

They spawn in auric?

[white valley]

They do not afaik

[plucky flax]

The wall but it's made from bread

[white valley]

It's a havoc mechanic

[pale prairie]

I felt the fart armor event had an element of wall

[plucky flax]

Just regular spawn

[nocturne dust]

Regular spawns can be wall

[plucky flax]

Just melee scab only moment.

[pale prairie]

Sorry I qualify 10-20 mauler and crusher as a wall

[plucky flax]

No it needs to be 20 bulwarks

[tulip kettle]

the wall (tm) is 16 bulwarks

[nocturne dust]

If it ain't 10 quintillion bulwarks it ain't a wall

Lawd I hate bulwarks

[tulip kettle]

then its garden toll

and you have 16 full hp red bulwarks

and you cry

[nocturne dust]

16 red bulwarks with a purple boss behind them

[strong gulch]

16 bulwarks and the 1 trapper

[tulip kettle]

trappers with the highest cleave in the game

pisses me off

at least dogs push the stuff they pounce through out the way and clear an exit for you

trappers are just "now you die"

[strong gulch]

16 red bulwarks and snipers pointing their lasers at you and your stuck up against a wall but you have KD. Just keep ducking. Everything is fine.

yuk yuk yuk

"AHHHHHHHHHH! I'm in danger."

[marble crater]

You should have dodged behind the boxes, wouldn't have trapped you then, smh

[tulip kettle]

hahahahahahha

ptsd moment

[dull scroll]

bulwarks gets massacred by warpfire 😏

[tulip kettle]

THIS TRAPPER NETTED ME THROUGH THE BOXES TWICE WTF MAN

[dull scroll]

assuming no purple

[tulip kettle]

no, they dont

[dull scroll]

if purple you done goofed

[tulip kettle]

pink red bulwark wall = you die

[proper osprey]

One thing I hate is getting insta killed in a net

I love melee psyker but I struggle against 20 bulwarks and crushers

[tulip kettle]

anyway i have goop and rituals o acension

any gamers?

[strong gulch]

A funny one is when everything just stands there and stares at you while netted.

[strong gulch]

I'll go. It'll stop me from opening more tabs.

[dull scroll]

now I think about I actually never played with some of you here in havoc, I'll come 🙂

[strong gulch]

Watch me make bad decisions and have little game sense.

[ripe obsidian]

It's not retreat, it's advancing backward.

[tulip kettle]

invited you

[strong gulch]

https://discord.gg/Q9YHGSGx

[pale prairie]

It’s also auric. I advance in circles

[ripe obsidian]

I will probably be available in 30-60 minutes

[tulip kettle]

awesome so we do some warm upd and lose

then six comes and carries us

[proper osprey]

I got shot like a clay pigeon from a burster into a sniper

Yesterday

Also did a havoc 40 yesterday and I’m washed

I did so ass

But we queued again and I did pretty good

However the 80 dreg ragers were pretty scary because I got guard broken and touched inappropriately

[brave drift]

so whats the recommended warp res for Trauma?

should i leave it as is?

[tulip kettle]

as high as possible

but its still dump

[brave drift]

yeah I thought so

what's the staff that needs it low? Purgatus?

[tulip kettle]

yes and all melee weapons

i actually run a 70-70 warp res/quell trauma

dont @ me

[white valley]

Only if you're running venting shriek

[tulip kettle]

also 79 dmg

dont tell clad

[upper sun]

my first ever god rolls were two trauma staves

one 60 warp res one 50 quell

both got flak crit blazing spirit nexus still not what i wanted because i thought i was rolling for voidds

[mighty agate]

Why on Voidblast warp resistance high as possible?

[upper sun]

because that staff still gives a lot of peril per shot while charging and you need to get to full charge for maximum damage

unlike fire staff which never generates any peril

[mighty agate]

Thank you, Sibling

[upper sun]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQtJlHxZ6Lg

🚬

this is what they were working on huh

[ripe obsidian]

I return from the aether.

[mighty agate]

Kinda sad that DT lacks in content but still love VT2

[upper sun]

can darktide and vermintide swap teams for a bit

[marble crater]

No

[upper sun]

blocked

[marble crater]

I'm blocking your block

[upper sun]

1 blocked blocked message

[marble crater]

[mighty agate]

https://tenor.com/view/i-cast-counter-counterspell-counter-counterspell-counterspell-i-cast-wizard-gif-7921438966093719474

[jovial juniper]

Vt2 team working on DT and seeing that they don't have to balance the ranged weapons

[mighty agate]

btw.
This +5 is even worth to take?

[fresh reef]

I mean, it's an additive bonus to ALL ranged damage

same as armor perks and the like

[tulip kettle]

i take it on recon las bubble knight

[fresh reef]

it's not bad at all if you're pathing to Scrier's, or Bubble if you wanna skip out on OwtW

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/chernobyl-not-great-not-terrible-its-okay-gif-24540363

I take it on my smite builds

[mighty agate]

https://tenor.com/view/baldurs-gate-lae'zel-laezel-baldurs-gate-3-grinch-gif-1438034572091617091

Smite Build

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/fist-of-the-north-star-hokuto-no-ken-hey-as-long-as-it-works-as-long-as-it-works-winging-it-gif-5037582307183355084

[fresh reef]

updated my browser and bookmark titles. does it give off the vibe of 'mentally unstable'?

[inland ice]

the only way psykers can surf the web

[jovial juniper]

Green is a really odd choice for the letters

You can barely see shit

[fresh reef]

I'm mostly using the icons; the illegibility was intentional lol (ironic given that I'm medically considered blind kek)

full page

[inland ice]

warp-sight

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1321371717599367198/Greatsword_Elmo.gif

[upper sun]

dawg what is this theme 😭

[jovial juniper]

I feel like

This lacks bubble

[mighty agate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1316462732999921735/elmopsyker.gif

[marble crater]

Cocaine, probably

[ripe obsidian]

Prophecy.

I triggered the Daemonhost solely so I could kill you all and clutch.

(In reality, I thought my dog was next to me, not across the world)

[strong gulch]

@dull scroll @tulip kettle bon bon life
https://youtu.be/cA-gMFz2SjM

[upper sun]

bulwarks and BoN need to be deleted from the game

[mighty agate]

BoN and Bombers*

[upper sun]

bombers are fineee

[mighty agate]

Bulwarks are too

[upper sun]

just play a class that doesnt have 20 toughness

[upper sun]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-detector-gif-9388384639890532829

[mighty agate]

https://tenor.com/view/uno-reverse-card-gif-24856155

[pale prairie]

Is this a bug? That’s so long

[upper sun]

im guessing BoN was body blocked fully and couldnt spit

[pale prairie]

Why aren’t the enemies attacking the person in the Bon! Happens to me lmao

[upper sun]

now THAT is bugged as shit

the game is supposed to not allow that to happen

getting disabled shouldnt insta kill you

[pale prairie]

But then it wouldn’t be Darktide 😔

[ripe obsidian]

@tulip kettle

[strong gulch]

It's not acking correctly at the very least. lmao

BoN should have chrged rent.

[pale prairie]

Let me guess the team held together

[strong gulch]

Yup. Totally. 😅

https://tenor.com/view/scott-austin-powers-firethelaser-yell-gif-11298209009713273466

[pale prairie]

Please make sure to record the eventual Six clutch. I will settle for a Beans clutch though

[strong gulch]

There was one! I didn't record it, then I killed him with a barrel.

[pale prairie]

Oooooooooooooooooooof

[strong gulch]

Soon after a dog push a burster into me.

So I guess it'e even

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[jovial juniper]

Clad still complaining about Bulwarks

The world is healing

[weary idol]

I think everyone in this game can complain about bulwarks to varying degrees

[mighty agate]

Why bulwarks tho

[strong gulch]

error coded myself

[mighty agate]

I hate bombers and flamers when they spam this fucking fire that slows you, deal fucking TONS of dmg and they can spam it like there is no tommorow
But bulwarks?

[weary idol]

They are easily the most dangerous enemy in the game in mixed hordes. Just because the counterplay to them is 100% dependent on your loadout choices

You can't really play around bulwarks unless you specifically bring something that counters them

[weary crane]

Bullwarks themselves aren't bad, but it's the fact flamers. And trappers can shoot through them, and they block the way for manuevering

[weary idol]

And they block cleave, and the way stagger mechanics work means that sometimes you just can't get them to put their shield away

and they have the literally instant shield bash that stuns you, and if you accidentally block it instantly drains all of your stamina

and they sometimes just walk at you and refuse to attack so you literally can't do anything to them

and they do a fuckton of damage if they hit you

most builds can't deal with blockade

[weary crane]

Shock mine my beloved

[brazen compass]

Indomitable

[mighty agate]

Sadly it's not like in vermintide where push just forces them to expose themselfs

[weary idol]

My personal biggest gripe with Bulwarks is that I think their shield bash and light stagger animations (where they keep their shield infront of them and flinch a bit) should both be removed

Bulwarks shouldn't be able to have an interaction that leaves their shield still in your face

[weary crane]

Mine is the fact that in h40 there is a 0.00001 second window when they are open, and then they immediately snap back to block

[weary idol]

That too

Bulwarks should not be affected by the stagger resistance mechanic in the game

They should always be fully affected by all stagger that goes into them

Regardless of how much they've been staggered recently

Because like staggering them is their only counterplay

So maybe they shouldn't become immune to it because a gunner shot their shield and caused them to flinch

[weary crane]

Final toll, healing bullwarks hordes are fun

[pale prairie]

1. Bring an Ogryn with taunt.
2. Have him position their backs to little’uns
3. Profit

[glossy ember]

any shotgun scrier builds here...

i just realized psyker can use shotguns

[pale prairie]

Ainz recently shared this one with me

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f6c6f78-07e9-4f95-9d87-83051928de7c/psyker-melee-7

[glossy ember]

funky, thanks

[pale prairie]

You can alter the build obviously and go for DD if you want

I was curious about High level EP haha

[glossy ember]

was about to say

surprised about EP

[jovial juniper]

It's just the Gunker build but shotgun

[prisma hinge]

I AM AN ADVOCATE FOR TOTAL TRAPPER DEATH

I believe that trappers should not, in fact, have infinite cleave

[pale prairie]

Flamethrowers = Nets

[prisma hinge]

I believe that trappers should not, in fact, be able to net you if even your pinky toe is showing from behind a wall

[pale prairie]

Darktide logic

[prisma hinge]

I detest trappers to the highest extent

Past the highest extent actually

I hate them

I loathe them

Whoever made the coding for trapper nets

I wish them a painful and sad life

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-do-that-here-black-panther-tchalla-bruce-gif-16558003

[prisma hinge]

I do

[upper sun]

loged in
screen was black for a solid 10 seconds

im sure the servers are alright

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/april-fools-joke-dog-its-fine-this-is-not-gif-1750056094467610487

[strong gulch]

don't worry things are normal right now

i crashed even

[pale prairie]

Is this a euro thing?

Do I dare log on?

What if it’s just oops all trappers and bulwarks

[upper sun]

things are ok

i tried to warn him

[pale prairie]

Lmao the way that Ogryn looked at you

[upper sun]

i tried to warn him!!!

[pale prairie]

Did the same thing to a zealot twice who charged forward towards barrels without any enemies around (beginning of level)

[upper sun]

weird ahh team i clutched the game and didnt even get a thank you 🚬

i think next time im gonna make it to the spawn and leave

[gray juniper]

“Thank you for the win after damaging all of us”

[upper sun]

i tried to save them!!!!

that area was all gunners and ragers

[tulip kettle]

clad far away from his team? never

[upper sun]

it was bad!!!!!

[gray juniper]

Look you can’t go here. I’ll make sure you can’t

[upper sun]

i tried to communicate that we should go the other way

[gray juniper]

But fr it looked bad out there

[ripe obsidian]

Today was a cavalcade of "Six fails to revive people," holy moly. I choked hard

[tulip kettle]

games were just cursed.

[gray juniper]

Sniper with a full field of view and a narrow passage is one thing

[tulip kettle]

not a fun session tbh

[upper sun]

yeah your options were 2 flamers or a wall of death

[gray juniper]

Fun? In gaming? Preposterous

[ripe obsidian]

The density of armor was kinda absurd. I need to check if Final Toll increases Ogryn spawns

[strong gulch]

I kept going "I know hyper density can be a problem. Surely there's nothing hiding in other things, AND they won't me. RIght??

[tulip kettle]

idk

i felt like the games were relatively easy

just coordination failure

like 10 times

[gray juniper]

Tell me where this went wrong

[hearty wolf]

Did you win tho

[tulip kettle]

no

[hearty wolf]

Why not

[tulip kettle]

...

[gray juniper]

At chasm station the long one ascension rider I think

[pale prairie]

Bulwarks?

[tulip kettle]

no just coordination failure

[pale prairie]

Ooof

[hearty wolf]

winning doesn't always mean winning

[tulip kettle]

really struggling to stay 4 and commit to a point

[gray juniper]

Can two ogryns, arby and vet work?

[hearty wolf]

sometimes it is the fun along the way

[pale prairie]

What was comp?

[tulip kettle]

various

[pale prairie]

Wait was this the Goo and toll?

[hearty wolf]

just do it yourself

ez

[tulip kettle]

i should play BF honestly

[pale prairie]

Hmmm this looks like not Darktide

[hearty wolf]

it's like darktide but you don't need teammates

[gray juniper]

Battlefield?

[pale prairie]

Squads are an illusion

[gray juniper]

Yes basically

[pale prairie]

Hearing mixed things about it

[gray juniper]

If it’s a long match mode, team mates are for respawn points

[pale prairie]

Don’t worry cowboy I played the original

And more recent ones. I skipped out on BF5 though

[gray juniper]

It feels all the same to me

I didn’t either. They made battlefield 1 before that. That’s a downgrade

[pale prairie]

Nah battlefield “1” with the ww1 was such a different vibe it was great

[gray juniper]

That’s what I mean. 5 was the same old shit regurgitated

[pale prairie]

I really enjoyed the atmosphere and the map animations and the goddamn whistle and the bayonet charge move hahaha

[gray juniper]

Wow a world war 2 shooter? I haven’t been doing this since PlayStation 1 or anything

[pale prairie]

And even getting waxed by some people who mastered horse combat

[gray juniper]

Delta force series came out on pc though that one was hard

[pale prairie]

Battlefield 1942

I crashed so many planes

I started using them to paratroop onto capture points

[gray juniper]

I’m pretty salty about those. Yes it seems to take a lot of trial and error but still feels shameful getting knifed by a horse

[pale prairie]

I was just impressed cause the timing was a bitch

[gray juniper]

Combined arms games are the most fun for the most part

[ripe obsidian]

I think things got messy when armor showed up. Depending on the comp, as we cycled through several, we didn't have great answers to the constant masses of red/orange crushers stacking on each other. I could bonk them well enough, but it took time. It was a constant stream of crushers, maulers, and bulwarks. As Arby, I could stand there and weather the tide, but the Psykers had to back up or die, and I don't have enough CC to lock down those massive clumps. I could get, like, 6 at a time with my BtL. Add in bosses, and we ended up individually trying to survive as elites/bosses taking 50% damage and immune to CC sprinted at us.

Soulblaze was struggling to clear the hordes since they were like 50% carapace and unyielding, and the amount of enemies just washed over the front line

So I think the overall issue was a lack of effective damage resulting in fights becoming uncontrollable with the means available

[tulip kettle]

idk

i played tauntgryn

i am stood at the front holding everything and we still cant manage it

its 100% just that we couldnt manage to play together

[hearty wolf]

Hm.

I find psyker+ front line dissolves all carapace

as soon as you get 15 and you do 1 shriek

PC will tick over and sort the rest

[ripe obsidian]

Also I feel like red just spawns a billion more armored enemies, but nothing I see in the code supports that idea

[ripe obsidian]

Soulblaze does like 0.01 ADM to carapace

[tulip kettle]

i think the seeds are dependent on team loadouts

but im crazy

[hearty wolf]

0.1

[ripe obsidian]

I will find out

[tulip kettle]

and yeah sure but then you stack uncanny and they all just die

it didnt matter

just inability to hold coherency corectly

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, it is 0.1

    [armor_types.unarmored] = 1.5,
    [armor_types.armored] = 1.5,
    [armor_types.resistant] = 1.5,
    [armor_types.player] = 0.125,
    [armor_types.berserker] = 1,
    [armor_types.super_armor] = 0.1,
    [armor_types.disgustingly_resilient] = 1.25,
    [armor_types.void_shield] = 1,
}```

[jovial juniper]

Burninating lol

[ripe obsidian]

Yup

[tulip kettle]

coherency priority goes to the arb retreating / not with team with the dog

intensity increases for other players

wipe

arb left alive behind hard point trying to clutch

but thats just like

my opinion man

[ripe obsidian]

I think the intensity focuses on the lone person, but I would need to code-dig

[tulip kettle]

i think the code clearly shows package and table updates with data from the server that you cant see

but again what do i know ignore me

[ripe obsidian]

I haven't spent any time looking at that part of the code. It is complicated

[hearty wolf]

Extra specials spawns have a coded way of doing it

Like there's an extra set of spawns

And then it's like

Dog has 75% to target solo player

[dull scroll]

the issue was people were grouping together too tight
this isn't auric or the old havoc where there's like only 1 boss, when you are up against 2 or 3 bosses at the same time you have to have people kiting it away at a reasonable distance instead huddling up in a corner, which results in boss aoe or specials wipe

[hearty wolf]

mutan 50%

[tulip kettle]

wrong

but im trying to tell you this

every time its the same

[dull scroll]

I farm 40s wins on the daily, this is simple logics

[tulip kettle]

yes same

and every game was the same

every single one

we are fine moving and taking 0 dmg as team

[dull scroll]

and then we wipe, once boss comes around

[tulip kettle]

then bosses spawn and somebody is trying to go solo and run away

[dull scroll]

guess why that happens

[tulip kettle]

instead of stand with team

same evry time

[ripe obsidian]

The code is loner_prevention. I just don't know the details

[dull scroll]

wrong lol, nobdy ran at the later games

melees don't kite the boss away

psykers gets stomped by aoe

[tulip kettle]

cool

we manage fine every day

[dull scroll]

that's how games were wiping again

and again

[jovial juniper]

Loner prevention

Preventing the Talent Loner?
Preventing the Personality Loner?
Preventing players from being alone?

Which way big fish

[tulip kettle]

preventing players being alone

but arbitrator with dog never has this

[dull scroll]

six was great

[ripe obsidian]

I think only if you have the specific aura. I can find out

[ripe obsidian]

Thank you

[dull scroll]

as for that aura, I had it

when I was on arby

but the dmg on stagger is better

by far

[tulip kettle]

you did indeed

[hearty wolf]

Coherency is bad because you can't share buffs if your teammates are ded from AoE

Line of sight to teammates> Coherency

[pale prairie]

but when ogryns block sight.....

[ripe obsidian]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/72cde1c088677d22b3830d9681d015167782b10a/scripts/extension_systems/coherency/companion_coherency_extension.lua#L66

As far as I can tell from looking through this on my phone (which sucks to do), it's a normal coherency unit

[white valley]

Hella confused by this statement

[hearty wolf]

Skill issue

[hearty wolf]

That's why it's the worst class in the game

It's griefing

[white valley]

True and real

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ogryn-bernie-gif-27192884

so I found out what happens when BoN spits you into wall

[jovial juniper]

Get Fatshark'd 5

[candid temple]

just leave and rejoin

[tulip kettle]

well, i went in with randoms and we did it first time

got some cool clips of us standing as 4 and fighting in some crazy situations but they are all 3 mins long and i cba to edit them

[strong gulch]

can make an unlisted youtube vid

[pale prairie]

Don’t know what you mean, Sah! Just walked off the edge and then was in timeout, Sah!

[ripe obsidian]

It is me. I am the the bad luck charm.

[pale prairie]

😠

No being mean to yourself

[ripe obsidian]

Eh, I'm not worried about my performance.

I probably did fine. But I am abyssmally unlucky in general

[strong gulch]

I mean, I wasn't playing my best.

Feeling unwell and everything is taking more effort.

So considering, I played well. Still it was not as good as my average play.

[tulip kettle]

its not about anybody individually guys and its not a criticism its just a coordination and commitment thing

https://youtu.be/EL9aFPVLPRA

first 3 min clip unedited

its just how close we all are together

and that theres no arbs 🙂

[strong gulch]

outside of that yeah

I mean if 3/4 are alive things are harder. I didn't feel like a full player for sections of our games.

[strong gulch]

good door

[tulip kettle]

thanks lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPIR_YJgMLk

again my only point is, standing as 4 and fighting, even in a super cramped situation, is better than running around as 4 solo players trying to be the guy

and also, arbs with dogs just ruin the game regardless of the player playing it

[strong gulch]

I hear ya. Just talking about a compounding issue.

[tulip kettle]

youre a great player, and the bit that counts - fun to play with

[strong gulch]

I subbed! Totally unrelated but kinda ominous and funny, but my light flickered when I hit the sub button. lmao

[tulip kettle]

dont expect regular uploads haha

[strong gulch]

I mean, same. lol

[weary idol]

talkin' lotta smack for a psyker player

who is very much capable of doing the exact same thing

[strong gulch]

warp dog when

[ripe obsidian]

I can only play Psyker and Arby at an H40 level. D:

[tulip kettle]

bit confused what you mean by this

no other class has an AI controlled unit that fucks coherency priority and detection

[weary idol]

Psyker kills everything before their team gets to play the game

Rumbler Ogryn is the same

[tulip kettle]

oh lol boohoo the glass cannon dps class does dps

idc about dmg or anything

i care that the dog ruins the game

thats all

[weary idol]

the dog ruins the game far less than what Psyker and Ogryn are capable of

[tulip kettle]

agree to disagree

the dog could do 0 dmg and it would still ruin

you dont see to understand that my issue with it is that it ruins the ai director's coherency detection and priority system

which in turn allows arbs to play solo and not be punished - in fact, their team is likely to be punished for it

[ripe obsidian]

The doggo doesn't alert enemies. It only set off the DH because I pressed the grenade button and thought it was closer

If you don't press the AoE, it won't set anything off

[tulip kettle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcpoAvR6Q9I

[tulip kettle]

oh yeah i know

but it is a unit for coherency

when you have that talent

and the game does have mechanisms to punish players not playing in coherencyt

[weary idol]

I don't know if that's real coherency

[tulip kettle]

it is just a unit

[weary idol]

I know that Zealot's Loner Aura is NOT real coherency

[tulip kettle]

same as any player

in the code

yes we have looked at it

its nothing like loner

[weary idol]

oh okay cool

[tulip kettle]

its literally just another player

[ripe obsidian]

It seems to be. I can dig deeper later. Unlike Zealot's loner, which is fake coherency

[tacit minnow]

surge staff? ehhh not so good

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/simpson-lie-detector-sarcasm-detector-gif-11795211782659974978

[tulip kettle]

left, all in coherency. Right, arb runs away, counts as in coherency, other 2 players now not in coherency.

Ai director checks "where is the furthest the team moved? where is the furthest back the team is? who is in coherency?" then does a bunch of stuff to punish the 2 "loner" players

other 2 players die due to intensity + coherency mechanics, but it was 100% arbs fault.

if arb was on another class, they die instead here.

[ripe obsidian]

Zap stick? More like crap stick.

[tulip kettle]

EK is awesome in aurics

which this is

[tacit minnow]

correct

im retiring from havoc until it's a good gamemode

[dull scroll]

lol of all the complaints about the arby dog's OPness it's coherency? 😂

that's the last thing on the list

loner might not work the same however bad loner is so is all these talk about coherency

[tulip kettle]

i mean idk what to say to you im not talking about coherency toughness regen, and again i went in straight after with 4 randoms no arbs and we did it first try

posted clips above

[dull scroll]

what does you winning have to do with no arby

[tulip kettle]

exactly what i just said

[dull scroll]

what you saying if we didn't run arby we'd win all those matches?

[tulip kettle]

if we stayed together, like in the videos above? yes.

[weary idol]

CIVI my beloved

[tulip kettle]

there is a lot more to coherency mechanics than coherency toughness regen, especially in havoc

and the dog fucks the ai directors coherency detection and priority system

i cant be any clearer about this

[dull scroll]

this is very vague

[tulip kettle]

loner prevention and intensity

[dull scroll]

that is still vague

[tulip kettle]

okay, like, i can link you the code? what do you want from me?

[zealous wing]

i just woke up and i understand what dom is saying

[dull scroll]

talk in terms of gameplay, how exactly does the dog coherency aura "fucks" the game

[tulip kettle]

because

the game treats the dog as a unit for cohernecy

i literally posted a diagram

[weary idol]

the game normally spawns disablers such as pox hounds, mutants, and trappers more often if a player is out of coherency

specifically to target that player

[tulip kettle]

it also increases the intensity of enemies

[weary idol]

dog counting you as in coherency means that doesn't happen anymore

yeah that too

[zealous wing]

when youre in coherency with other players, you get the toughness regen, but also your auras. if youre with an arby and youre all together, thats fine. if the arby wanders off, and youre in a group of three, the arby counts as a group of 3 on their own. the duo doesnt. duo gets fucked. arby complains.

[tulip kettle]

and in the diagram above, it will also trigger speedrun prevention etc

meanwhile arb is just chilling

wondering why their team is so bad and dying

[weary idol]

Loner aura doesn't do this because Loner aura is coded differently (it's bad)

[dull scroll]

this thing only happens for single player out of coherency, duos shouldn't trigger it, is this in the codes or something?

[zealous wing]

the dog counts as 2 players, the ai will go after the lesser group

[tulip kettle]

yes it doesnt do loner prevention to players in coherency

all the other mechanics still apply

and again, look at the diagram above

you go from 1 group of 4

to a 1, 1, 2

[zealous wing]

but if the group of two get slightly out of coherency in a fight or to go hit a button, byebye

[tulip kettle]

with the 2 1's receiving multiple layered punishments

[zealous wing]

oh i thought the dog was 2

[dull scroll]

so "out of coherency" punishment triggers so long as there's >1 coherency groups, and it triggers on the group with the least coherency?

[zealous wing]

mightve been loner im thinking of

tired

[dull scroll]

not that it only triggers on single player by themselves?

[tulip kettle]

loner prevention only triggers on players out of coherency

there are other mechanics, like speedrun prevention, that will be mistakenly triggered

but its very easy in this situation for the non arb player to not move at all and go from 4 coherency to alone

further compounding the issue

[strong gulch]

Coherency can chain together. You can be in a line and in coherency. A middle player moves away and breaks the chain cause the players on the ends to not be in coherency anymore. If that player has the dog coherency stuff, they are still counted as in coherency and the end players are not.

[tulip kettle]

and when you are the arb player with the dog

this NEVER applies to you

[dull scroll]

okay, so I wasn't mistaken then, the specials spawn punishment only trigger on players with 0 coherency

[tulip kettle]

it always negatively affects your team

[tulip kettle]

no, again, the loner prevention specifically only triggers

there are other special spawning mechanics, like rush prevention, speedrun prevention, which will still apply

and there are other mechanics not related to special spawning, but to the intensity of enemy attacks

[dull scroll]

sure, but do any of these other things have anything to do with coherency like loner prevention?

[tulip kettle]

yes

specifically

i stated in simple terms the checks that are performed

its also related to where the director thinks the "team" is

but it always think the arb player is "the team"

due to the coherency with the dog

[dull scroll]

this is still vague af, gotta see the codes for these "rush prevention", "speedrun prevention"

[tulip kettle]

okay, 2 minutes

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/tree/72cde1c088677d22b3830d9681d015167782b10a/scripts/extension_systems/coherency

knock yourself out

im going to bed.

[dull scroll]

lol okay, I mean the exact codes of these supposed "mechanics"

but go for it

[tulip kettle]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/72cde1c088677d22b3830d9681d015167782b10a/scripts/managers/pacing/specials_pacing/specials_pacing.lua

[ripe obsidian]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/72cde1c088677d22b3830d9681d015167782b10a/scripts/managers/pacing/specials_pacing/specials_pacing.lua#L1316

[zealous wing]

you're both too good for this world

or petty

could be either

i was gonna let them dig if they really cared

[dull scroll]

these things punishing speedrun/player-rushes would only reasonably trigger if some there is significant distance between player running ahead and rest of "team"

the question is how big is said distance

[zealous wing]

a room or two ahead is plenty

[dull scroll]

exactly, a room or two

it doesn't trigger the moment you are out of coherency

[zealous wing]

even halfway across the deep archive final room is plenty

had a player getting got by like 3 trappers and a dog or two in the time we were scanning things

[dull scroll]

lol? is archive final room supposed to be small or something

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/moving-goalposts-goalposts-changing-requirements-gif-25214446

[zealous wing]

not particularly, but, it was close enough to just turn around and hit the dog with an assail, so, less than 60 meters

[dull scroll]

so it's gotta nothing do just with getting out of coherency