psyker-class

[nocturne dust]

To further expound, the difference between 80 and 60 Warp Res is barely a single attack on the staff it matters most on, Electrokinetic, and that's if you're going from 0 to 100 peril and being maximally efficient. In 90% of cases, you do not get an extra attack.

[radiant frigate]

running ER with inferno is like
y tho

[gray juniper]

You see what I’m asking @solar sparrow is that I’m using blaze away and nexus also. When the peril is high I can visibly see the kill speed in comparison to lower peril. With the perks of +25 on unyielding & +5 crit chance in combo with warp nexus and blaze away, I see more die faster at the top quarter of the peril arc than any other part and possibly less secondary attacks used on that group. Because how blaze away works along with one with the warp/warp rider etc

[nocturne dust]

ER is still a DPS boost

[radiant frigate]

idc it's TUPID

[nocturne dust]

no u

[strong gulch]

ER on infero with bubble in H40

outside of that ick

[radiant frigate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/920016996752564286/1274487631987605674/GVHX15RXoAApby3-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[gray juniper]

Guess I haphazardly applied recommendations from here by doing it on everything lol

[nocturne dust]

I mean, ER on Inferno isn't bad

It's just not as amazing as it is on other staves

and you might prefer something else instead of all the dablage all the time

[radiant frigate]

i never run ER

[gray juniper]

Idk I may consider keeping it off for that too. We had this discussion a while back and I clearly misunderstood you lol

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/weakness-disgusts-me-madara-uchiha-madara-naruto-weakness-disgust-me-gif-17219305

[gray juniper]

I like it. With trauma id simply die

[ripe obsidian]

In my use case, yes. Gunners hurt.

[ripe obsidian]

You have resolve enough without the empyrean getting involved

[gray juniper]

I’m starting to get pretty comfy with these endless onslaughts of horde chaff in havoc +30. It’s more of a question of personal testing I guess

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/sigma-chad-asian-chin-girl-gif-5772225849422553320

[marble crater]

I was accused of cheating because I blocked really long with kinetic deflection and a stamina curio

[ripe obsidian]

Cheater, cheater, pumpkin eater

[pale prairie]

Lmao what

[gray juniper]

I tried the +stamina on melee weapon. I don’t like it

For me, better to do without. Those damage increase perks I can’t live without

[pale prairie]

Same

Never been a fan of stamina on my weapon. The +25% is so big

[ripe obsidian]

Stamina + KD is goofy. And I am rarely using melee, so

[radiant frigate]

more stamina or more murder

murder it is!

[radiant frigate]

sounds like you can make a shield

stamina block eff deflector and KD

[marble crater]

Guy was dead and spectating me, I blocked 8 or so ragers for over 30 seconds waiting for shriek, he said "nice cheat" and left

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-really-not-being-clear-jane-fonda-grace-hanson-grace-and-frankie-tell-me-more-gif-17596020

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/britney-dancing-knives-knife-gif-5659179589831978323

[pale prairie]

Wowwwwww. His eyes must not have been working

[weary idol]

well of course he did psyker is bad class

can't be doing that

[pale prairie]

Those are not FGS KAT IS A FRAUD AND A LIAR

[radiant frigate]

the warp is a pathway to powers some consider to be.. unnatural

[marble crater]

New player probably

[gray juniper]

Sorry I’m stab happy af

[marble crater]

Is that Britney Spears?

[pale prairie]

“Must be hax because real pros just die to the ragers”

[pale prairie]

Britney Knives

[radiant frigate]

britney knives

[marble crater]

Two unoriginal people

[pale prairie]

“Stamina + KD” super original

[radiant frigate]

my attempt at humor deflected by a german, brb going to die

[ripe obsidian]

Essentially. My melee weapon is a shield for my poor, frail psyker body

[pale prairie]

Is it deflected when the German doesn’t get it? It’s humor, a foreign language.

[gray juniper]

Two Germans meet in the public square
One says to the other “I’m going to tell a joke”
The other says “that’s hilarious”

[marble crater]

Aren't you German yourself?

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/zdf-heuteshow-heute-show-oli-welke-olli-welke-gif-6449196005905369416

[gray juniper]

Imagine being so mad about such a thing you don’t understand in a team game

[pale prairie]

That ego ain’t gonna fix itself

Or will it….

[radiant frigate]

not technically

i am austrian

[verbal thistle]

mountain german

[radiant frigate]

but my bf (ignorant american) calls me german all the time

it no longer fazes me

[marble crater]

He is technically correct

[radiant frigate]

no anschluss for you

[gray juniper]

It won’t because we see these people repeatedly and you know it

[strong gulch]

no worries

[pale prairie]

As we all know technically correct is the best kind of correct

[radiant frigate]

yes very true

[gray juniper]

No stop. Let us all appreciate all Germans

[marble crater]

Maybe your BF doesn't want to confuse it with Australian

[pale prairie]

Pffff of course the German would say that

[pale prairie]

The accent is too similar

[radiant frigate]

to be fair, for a "mountain german" i sure live in a very flat area

[marble crater]

No, there are a lot of idiots here

[radiant frigate]

lot of idiots everywhere

[pale prairie]

Well it is self-soothing by convincing itself it only did worse than the other guy cause of cheats

[radiant frigate]

makes one wonder how many people don't have an internal monologue

[pale prairie]

Not as many as here 😔 🇺🇸

[gray juniper]

As in America, but that won’t stop me from being captain saver

[pale prairie]

Why have it be internal when it can be external?

People give you tons of room on the metro if you talk to yourself

[marble crater]

I also had a clip of a zealot rushing 3 rooms ahead getting netted or dogged and leaving, but Xbox doesn't want to upload it

@tulip kettle hey, what are we doing?

[pale prairie]

With the least tanky class. It might be stupid but it’s goddamn brave

[gray juniper]

America slander detected
Defense protocols engaged

[tulip kettle]

H40's if u like, 2 secs

[pale prairie]

Careful we already used up the “No U”

[marble crater]

Ah, nah I failed 3 event missions in a row, I'm in no mood for havoc but thanks for the offer

[radiant frigate]

no beloved it's not a good dog

[pale prairie]

Yes Austrians ARE Germans! They are just in denial and want to feel special!

[gray juniper]

Wow I want to do this now

[radiant frigate]

SNIPER (yes hush i told them)

(watch as the crowd scatters)

[pale prairie]

It’s sad that none of this is real

[gray juniper]

(Arrested for disturbing the peace)
“Oh beloved I don’t like it here”

[pale prairie]

That’s brutal. Glad I finished already

[solar sparrow]

dude empyric resolve makes this class infinitely more fun to play

[radiant frigate]

i am very speshul

[solar sparrow]

as opposed to getting to 100 peril, quelling until 80, using 2 minimum charge bursts to be at 100 peril again

[radiant frigate]

yes but what about BONK

[pale prairie]

You truly are. I mean Fatshark made FGS just for you!

[radiant frigate]

they even used my yapping in the design for relic blade

true fact (do not verify)

[marble crater]

[pale prairie]

Finally someone listened to the ranting of the lady monologing on the metro

[gray juniper]

Been around that long? God you’re old

https://tenor.com/view/evil-grin-evil-smile-smirk-haha-gif-6403290434734800133

[radiant frigate]

when i mentioned my age, sin immediately said one thing and one thing only

"hag"

[pale prairie]

Yeah that fits

[gray juniper]

Don’t listen to those toddlers

[marble crater]

Sin might be a rude person

[pale prairie]

I don’t think Sin self regulates his speech

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/cackling-evil-laugh-witch-creeping-gif-5632950

[gray juniper]

Kids typically have bad manners

😌

[strong gulch]

I think SIn's tech abandoned him.

WIFI gone

[pale prairie]

LOSER

[gray juniper]

The omnissiah has forsaken him

[pale prairie]

DAMN WHO PLAYS THIS GAME ON A WIFI NETWORK

[gray juniper]

Um………

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/my-condolences-to-you-and-your-family-gif-18143500221227046476

[gray juniper]

Between old ecksbawks, WiFi and cloud
Is there anything I’m actually doing right about playing this game?

Not likely

[pale prairie]

Well my punishment for mocking you is biking home in this

[marble crater]

You are using the right controller

[radiant frigate]

i mean technically i do, when i do

reason being.. this router apparently does NOT like to be plugged into a pc

[wispy bay]

An American using Celsius!!!

[pale prairie]

Not your fault but I have noticed consoles really punish their users with shaky WiFi cards

[radiant frigate]

the entire network just shuts down immediately if it's connected to a motherboard

[pale prairie]

Did it tell you that?

[pale prairie]

Wowww

That’s some Austrian tech huh?

[radiant frigate]

it's not

it's huawei

and it used to work fine

until one night there was a thunderstorm and it has never worked since

so, wi-fi adapter it is

[pale prairie]

I have lived overseas!! But it was translation for you.

[radiant frigate]

even used my phone for that for a while

[pale prairie]

That’s kind of funny and kind of nuts

[radiant frigate]

receive wifi on phone, connect phone to pc via charging cable, then enable tethering

techpriest kat is on the case

[pale prairie]

Lmao

[radiant frigate]

my new pc even requires rituals to boot correctly

[pale prairie]

This is the most accurate description of tech priesting ever

You literally are not an elf your a tech priest

“The machine spirit of the router is angry!”

[gray juniper]

Right. I can’t believe he’s slumming with the inferior temperature scale 😈

[radiant frigate]

it also tends not to work when the side panels are on (the machine spirit does not like to be caged)

so i took them off too

[pale prairie]

93 for your red blooded ass

[pale prairie]

I think you are just cursed

[wispy bay]

Fahrenheit, the random scale...

[pale prairie]

This is beyond technical difficulties

[gray juniper]

Dead hand sticking out of rubble still clutching gamesir controller

[radiant frigate]

i kind of know what it is and the way i have it set up now kind of works (with the right input)

[pale prairie]

Believe me I prefer metric for everything especially baking and cooking

[radiant frigate]

so i would rather not change anything unless i have to

[pale prairie]

Well immense respect to you for finding a way. That’s complicated but impressive?

[radiant frigate]

it took a bit of troubleshooting and sometimes it even turns on correctly without further input

works flawlessly other than that

[pale prairie]

Certified tech priest

You and Karien have the same internet though

[radiant frigate]

wifi you mean?

[gray juniper]

It’s easier to use the 0 means freezing scale in some fashions tbh

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-techpriest-binaric-screeching-screeching-gif-20192683

[pale prairie]

Not WiFi but apparently possessed and trying to be difficult for both of you haha

[gray juniper]

Spirit of this machine, grant her telecommunications

[radiant frigate]

it is what it is

[pale prairie]

You can just use grams for everything no cups or table spoons. Way more accurate

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/elf-nonsense-elf-frieren-frieren-beyond-journey's-end-sousou-no-frieren-gif-2308403050531304831

also, fuck kinda measurement is "3/8ths of an inch"

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/stay-strong-babe-alexis-rose-alexis-annie-murphy-schitts-creek-gif-20775754

[near gale]

Me when I talk to randos:

[upper sun]

tru and correct

[pale prairie]

It’s taking an inch and dividing it into 8 parts then only use three of them

Duh

[radiant frigate]

trying to cook with american measurements is also really difficult for me

[gray juniper]

I’m too accustomed to our local measurement systems but respect your efforts

[radiant frigate]

so i usually just go "fuck it, add until it looks right"

[pale prairie]

I grew up with it and it’s hard

[upper sun]

i convert all my recipes to random unites

[radiant frigate]

like wtf is half a cup

[upper sun]

i have a mug cake recipe thats legit "use the bottom half of that mug you hate"

[pale prairie]

16 oz weight vs 8 FLUID OZ what? Come on man

[near gale]

pours 3 gallons of salt onto the dish
"Perfect!"

[radiant frigate]

16 wizards of oz

[pale prairie]

Fill a cup halfway

[radiant frigate]

= 1 wizard of pound

[pale prairie]

My coworker bakes like that and it seems to work

[gray juniper]

This is actually the grandma/nonna/abuelita/oma/babushka method and it’s 150% correct

[pale prairie]

So much for German precision

[radiant frigate]

"so how much do you add here?"
"about this much"
"which is?"
"the correct amount"

[pale prairie]

So you’re saying KAT is a grandmother?

[gray juniper]

Ok you got me there. I definitely use foreign over that

[gray juniper]

Not necessarily but grandmother taught me the way

[near gale]

Even having been raised using this... I still have gotten confused

[radiant frigate]

i'm not nearly wise enough to qualify

[gray juniper]

Peak cooking comes without measuring. It’s a perilous art to master but only the true heights of cooking are reached this way

I watch my mom do this too and copy her

[radiant frigate]

it's epic until you stumble upon perfection and don't know how to do it again

[zealous wing]

this

[radiant frigate]

(skill issue)

[gray juniper]

Man that’s true and it feels really fucked up

[wispy bay]

As a Maple syrup eater, I use both systems.

[zealous wing]

i fucked up some cookies BADLY with protien powder, added more flour, and made like, dense bread, kinda irontack like, and it was GREAT honestly with yogurt... i wont be able to do that again

[gray juniper]

You said you were British

[wispy bay]

When?

[gray juniper]

British Colombian…?!

[wispy bay]

Anyhow, Metric should be standard.

[radiant frigate]

but hey at least my cheesecake usually comes out nice

[wispy bay]

😑

[zealous wing]

also measuring sucks anyway if you arent using your own local recipes... i learned recently a european cup is different from an american cup

[gray juniper]

Oh shit I’m confusing you for domshizzle 😂 I’m sorry

[radiant frigate]

domschizo

[zealous wing]

looks bomb

gimme

pls

just a lil nom

[wispy bay]

British tonne and US tonne are not even the same... Imperial also has a long tonne and then a short tonne...

[radiant frigate]

i'm afraid it is no more

[near gale]

Where's the pepper jack?

[zealous wing]

:(

[wispy bay]

So dumb if you ask me.

[dull scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-birthday-gif-13905786

[radiant frigate]

i think it was in the fridge

[near gale]

Oh, good. I was afraid it was thrown away

[wispy bay]

I'm from the place where they have actual maple syrup reserve, which is as Canadian as you can get.

[radiant frigate]

we also had this vaguely US-shaped steak

[gray juniper]

@radiant frigate any pics of local cheese?

[radiant frigate]

sorry i have no cheese pics because i ate the cheese

[gray juniper]

Understandable

[radiant frigate]

(also i should be napping)

[gray juniper]

God I miss euro cheese so much

[near gale]

[zealous wing]

if you cut the nub on the bottom left off it looks like washington state

and, flip it over and around ofc

[gray juniper]

Cheese is so good. Euro cheese is phenomenal

Soft cheese fanatic btw

[radiant frigate]

as an ignorant european i do not know what most states look like

[radiant frigate]

brie enjoyer?

[ripe obsidian]

Cheesecake is best cake

[zealous wing]

i went to washington state for a concert, pretty cool area

[near gale]

As the average American shut in... Neither do I...

[radiant frigate]

which is weird because technically it is a pie

[ripe obsidian]

Washington state, at least west of the mountains, is gorgeous.

[radiant frigate]

i meant more like shape-wise on the map

flying over the US is weird because you look out the window and you see Nothing

then 5min later, buildings everywhere

[zealous wing]

xD

accurate

roadtrips there are just as wild

barren-seeming farmland, take a nap for 20m, then BOOM city

[gray juniper]

Yes ofc, but that’s common. I like meunster, butterkase, morski, farmer cheese, bryndza

Many others

[near gale]

Sounds like home, for me

[gray juniper]

Camembert is good and a lot like Brie too

[radiant frigate]

camembert is cool because it starts with ca and ends with t

[upper sun]

we takin cheese?

[radiant frigate]

🐱

[weary idol]

the whole place could benefit from more passenger trains instead of these roads that stretch on forever

[radiant frigate]

we cheesin'

[upper sun]

brie fucking sucks idc what anyone says

[zealous wing]

this

[radiant frigate]

i think it ok

[radiant frigate]

think my favorite cheese is probably Bergkäse

[weary idol]

but that would be public transit and the car companies would never allow it

[radiant frigate]

hard cheese and decently strong

[upper sun]

gouda is kino

[gray juniper]

Just stop it

[radiant frigate]

very good though

gouda is a classic

[weary idol]

I haven't tried any like dedicated cheese cheeses

But I do like Colby Jack cheese

[upper sun]

i like feta too

like the really fucking tangy OG feta

i know some people hate goat cheeses but theyre wrong

[radiant frigate]

the type where you can still taste the goat?

[gray juniper]

You are such a particular person to hate Brie yet love feta lmao

[upper sun]

yea

[radiant frigate]

halloumi is cool too

funny squeaky grill cheese

[upper sun]

ye its good

[near gale]

Clad is a particular person, for sure

[gray juniper]

That does sound good. I personally prefer to eat cheese as a spread so I tend to eat soft cheese

[radiant frigate]

i remember spending 5mil dockets on pickaxes for clad

[ripe obsidian]

Cheese pie is less alliterative

[upper sun]

thank u for your service

[radiant frigate]

glad to have been of service

[near gale]

Oof

[gray juniper]

Dairy products all around are pretty great

[radiant frigate]

also true

[ripe obsidian]

Everything is so spread out here. I envy Europe for not needing cars (as much)

[weary idol]

unless you're lactose intolerant

[gray juniper]

Unless it’s casa martzu then I pretend it doesn’t exist

[radiant frigate]

is that The One

maggot cheese

[weary idol]

Do you think that's like...crunchy?

Or do they just blend into the texture of the cheese

[gray juniper]

WDYM the one?!

[zealous wing]

lactose intolerant, and i agree, most dairy stuff is still great. painful, but, great

[near gale]

https://tenor.com/view/rolling-hazen-audel-a-larvae-lunch-primal-survivor-protein-gif-19207478

[radiant frigate]

are you saying THERE ARE MULTIPLE MAGGOT CHEESES??

[weary idol]

I do kinda think maggots and caterpillars are kinda cute individually

I like that their locomotion is just undulating

[ripe obsidian]

What cursèd Nurgly knowledge are you bestowing upon me.

[gray juniper]

I try to think about it little as possible. Apparently the flavor is taken from the… “babies” on it. I shudder

[weary idol]

not wiggling

[upper sun]

keep eating dairy

[weary idol]

nah just undulate like a whole wave

[upper sun]

you can reduce the symptoms if you keep doing

[gray juniper]

God no. I understand now. Yes that’s the Voldemort of cheese

[weary idol]

I mean it can't taste that bad if people were eating it regularly

Just gross in concept like eating bugs

Bugs really aren't that different from eating crawfish

But they're bugs and that's off putting

[zealous wing]

i feel like this is a myth, because i have yet to feel any better after eating ice cream, but, i keep on regardless

[weary idol]

Unfortunately I hate both crawfish and cooked insects so

[prisma hinge]

gun psyker is fun

i'm not confident enough in it yet

[radiant frigate]

what the actual fuck

[prisma hinge]

but golly gee whitacker is it fun

[radiant frigate]

you're telling me sardinians took a perfectly good pecorino and put maggots on it??

[gray juniper]

People have widely different palates depending on region of the world, believe me. I’ve traveled enough and learned that lesson

[ripe obsidian]

My ex's mother is Filipino, and she always served shrimp with the head still attached, which is not common where I live. It put me off sea bugs for a while.

[zealous wing]

this cheese is in the same caliber as vulture bee honey

[spice oar]

The blood bees

[zealous wing]

meat bees but ye

[spice oar]

Doesn’t their honey taste like meat?

[spice oar]

Eh tomato tomato

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/am-i-have-no-mouth-and-i-must-scream-am-ihnmaims-am-hate-hate-speech-gif-1392574611171398983

[gray juniper]

Lactose tolerance comes from an enzyme that grows in your stomach. You can even buy it now for the purpose of gaining tolerance

[marble crater]

[upper sun]

https://vividmaps.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Lactose.jpg
this is a map of lactose intolerance
https://www.milkgenomics.org/wp-content/uploads/journal.pone-world.jpg
and this is a map of milk consumption

[spice oar]

It takes a good amount of time and each person is different, but it IS proven possible if you wanna try

[upper sun]

ye like i was gonna say you cant cure it but you can train your body to handle the symptoms better

[weary idol]

rip mongolia

[zealous wing]

so it really is just another skill issue T.T

[ripe obsidian]

Does this imply that, in Skyrim, Milk Drinker is less an insult than a fact?

[gray juniper]

Realizing how criminal it’s is now huh?

[upper sun]

i spent covid milk and cheese maxxing

[spice oar]

Keep going soldier

[upper sun]

im happy no one was around

but i got better 💪

[spice oar]

So that you may enjoy a glass of milk without a stomach ache

[radiant frigate]

i never thought it was possible but it's worse than i imagined

[zealous wing]

whatever happened to that cheese made from mucus?

[ripe obsidian]

:(

[zealous wing]

I DONT LIKE IT EITHER BUT HERE WE ARE WITH MAGGOT CHEESE

[ripe obsidian]

:(

[zealous wing]

:((((

[ripe obsidian]

You have more mouths to eat crimes against dairy now

[zealous wing]

you think i WANNA!?

i'd rather eat cheese made from a platypus honestly

[tulip kettle]

I CANT EVEN BE OFFENDED

[gray juniper]

Yes I’m good never knowing

[radiant frigate]

it was not an insult

[ripe obsidian]

Platypuses are venomous. They'll kill you if you try

I think they're the only venomous mammal?

[zealous wing]

i also know they lay eggs

[radiant frigate]

platypuses are a clusterfuck

[weary idol]

deranged creatures

[zealous wing]

fr

[gray juniper]

Platypus milking 80k annual salary. Mandatory life insurance

[ripe obsidian]

I am wrong.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venomous_mammal

[solar sparrow]

that build you gave me is so much better than what I did before holy shit, this is havoc34 I believe

[ripe obsidian]

"When platypuses attack, they drive their hind legs together with considerable force so that the spurs are embedded in the flesh caught between and if venom is being produced, a few milliliters are injected by repeated jabbing.[17] The spurs have enough strength to support the weight of the platypus, which often hangs from the victim, requiring assistance for removal."

[ripe obsidian]

Happy to help, sibling

[gray juniper]

VENOMOUS. PRIMATES?!

[marble crater]

Toxic gamers

[radiant frigate]

monke poison

[upper sun]

steam back up btw

[marble crater]

No u

[ripe obsidian]

"Slow lorises have a toxic bite, a trait rare among mammals and unique among the primates.[7] The toxin is obtained by licking a sweat gland on their arm, and the secretion is activated by mixing with saliva. Their toxic bite, once thought to be primarily a deterrent to predators, has been discovered to be primarily used in disputes within the species."

"The secretion from the brachial gland of captive slow lorises is similar to the allergen in cat dander, hence the secretions may merely elicit an allergic reaction, not toxicosis.[120] Loris bites cause a painful swelling, and the single case of human death reported in the scientific literature was believed to have resulted from anaphylactic shock.[121]

To protect itself, the Slow loris has also been observed to rub the venom on its fur to chemically defend itself from predators.[122]"

[gray juniper]

Someone give this man his reddit gold

[strong gulch]

Was in games. Now can clarify.

Inferno specifically generates peril slowly. ER interferes with building peril gen quickly enough for shriek spam, even on H40 with worse quelling. Because you don't drop peril by activating your ability with bubble, ER can make peril easier to manage in H40 and more easily facilitates aggressive play.

On staves like EK and VB, peril gen is much higher. So ER is typically the go to even with shriek spam.

Edit: I bring up quelling because that goes into peril management. That was multiple thoughts trying to "get on the page" at the same time. lmao

[gray juniper]

Imagine this mf licks you and then your skin is burning

[ripe obsidian]

Big eyes to lure you in

[gray juniper]

The worst cuddly fren ever

[strong gulch]

Me with my cats. Or when water is on my face for more the a few seconds.

Or if a desk lamp shines on my face.

The life of delicate skin.

[marble crater]

Vampire! Astarion!

[radiant frigate]

thank god there's no fast loris

[radiant frigate]

[gray juniper]

What do you think of this; havocs past 30, especially with rampaging or pus hardened skin, I find myself dealing with chaff not dying quickly as needed but better when the peril is high. A lot of things will be on fire but it doesn’t hit like I want it to until peril has stayed high because everything is closing in. Is there another way with this to increase the damage a little more? https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f420e95-38c9-4a0b-98d0-383fa9eaccbb/saucys-bubble

[gray juniper]

I’ll accept watery eyes for the rest of my life in trade for kitty

[marble crater]

The zealot special

[solar sparrow]

does kinetic deflection still make sense with a dueling sword?

[marble crater]

Yes

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah. Still good.

[ripe obsidian]

If there were a Fast Loris, we'd no longer be the dominant species on the planet. I'm thinking the island from King Kong, just worldwide.

[pale prairie]

How about the Giant Sloth? such an interesting creature

[ripe obsidian]

+15 toughness is better than OwtW unless you're at 80% or higher peril all the time. Also, 2x health instead of 2x toughness curios is not my favorite thing.

Other than the OwtW vs +15 toughness, I think this is my talent tree.

[gray juniper]

It’s what I have on curios. I’d rather not use 1 17% toughness by itself

But for the tree, if that’s the case is it better comparatively to regain the higher toughness regeneration over the lower peril for the same reason?

I am actively trying to keep peril higher actually

[ripe obsidian]

I am usually only over 80% peril for like 30% of the game at most

I'm between 60 and 80 for closer to 40-50%

[gray juniper]

With ER on though, it allows multiple bursts on alt attack. Without it I think inferno staff only lets you get one spray in?

[strong gulch]

The only rec I have for the build is possibility changing OwtW to a +15 toughness node. If you are mostly 80% peril or higher for the whole mission, OwtW is better. Otherwise the +15 toughness node is better and constant.

DoT damage ignores pus hardened, but yeah rampaging enemies and as you increase havoc ranks, things take time to kill. Flaming enemies from father away so you get them at the edge of your range so by the time they reach you they have more flames (range is like 16 m). Keeping peril higher between engagements so you don't start at 0.

[gray juniper]

I’m doing that already unfortunately

[ripe obsidian]

I use ER with bubble and PotS with Shriek. ER makes it easier to hover at high peril when you aren't constantly venting it with Shriek. Downside is that if your peril drops, it can be slow to build back up

[strong gulch]

IF you are struggling to keep peril up and don't have issues with peril management, then try swapping ER to PotS.

[ripe obsidian]

Bubble also makes up for toughness regen lost to ER, imo

[gray juniper]

Maybe a problem is I’m being left to handle the chaff + mixed horde issues mostly to myself?

[ripe obsidian]

Spam Inferno LMB to stagger enemies, then run somewhere else to reposition. That's what I do. Bring the problem back to my team

[gray juniper]

With randos it hasn’t been that much of an issue until two or more bosses are present then I’m having to quell too much

[ripe obsidian]

Tapping quell is faster than holding if you're only doing 1-3 ticks

[gray juniper]

Yea I tap for speed 👍

[strong gulch]

You can still move and flame. LMB and run. YOu got 8 seconds before SB stack decay. If your team is not looking out for you, be selfish with your bubbles.

[gray juniper]

Yea I may have to

[ripe obsidian]

I think one of the big "ah-ha" moments for me was realizing that I could just... fuck off from enemies. No standing and fighting if the position is bad. Just throw a couple LMBs and scarper

[gray juniper]

Small rooms this gets a lot trickier on

[strong gulch]

Try to have exist strategies before it gets bad, that way you know a path out.

[gray juniper]

This guy was hosting his 30s and while we won a couple we later lost enough in a row to get deranked. He was on vet and died before team wipes as the various 4ths on the team kept charging ahead in critical times

[strong gulch]

I am bad at this. ngl

[gray juniper]

He was really cool so I feel for him

[ripe obsidian]

As Potato said before I could finish typing, a lot of it is knowing where you can escape to. Most of my deaths are because I backed myself into a corner and didn't consider exit strategies

[gray juniper]

Legit can’t play when I’m tired. Getting caught lacking in one moment suddenly costs you the game

[strong gulch]

ye

1 mistake get banished

[ripe obsidian]

It's a matter of, "if things go badly, where can I run away?" Ideally in some kind of circle so you don't back up enough to trigger crushers

[gray juniper]

Yes and it’s crazy when you’re going no hits then suddenly a fat oopsy

[marble crater]

Kite enemies no problem, suddenly fire, you get slowed, run out of dodges trying to escape the fire, no dodges left for the crusher overhead

[strong gulch]

Enough room to kite, doesn't trigger the sandwich, but also funnels enemies or you can kinda control where there go so they don't circle around stuff to pincher you.

[strong gulch]

Mauler hidden inside crusher.

[gray juniper]

@ripe obsidian the dynamics of rooms can change a lot so I’m considering go-to locations like stair corners or spots with a narrow rear

Tbh having enemies come from direct front and back seems like the worst case tho

[strong gulch]

With enough room, you can kite things, including a DH + a monster or captain + orgryn train + chaffs forever.

But it's also easy to mess up.

[thorn cedar]

what if they crawled out ur butthole

thatd be even worse

[strong gulch]

or get stuck on som random object

[strong gulch]

butthole spiders

[thorn cedar]

solid band name

[strong gulch]

should I sensor that??

censor

[marble crater]

No

[gray juniper]

One thing I’m noticing is when you’re in a surrounded situation: it’s easy to basically primary shot on purge infinitely, but the team will likely die. If you slow for alt fire too much, you’ll get chipped to death. If you try to mix these the results are mixed. Either way 360 enemy direction has to be bad so there has to be a better answer yea?

Like corners are obviously a bad idea too but it allows for some extended time doing the big spray

[gray juniper]

Yea big true. I’m glad people are figuring out that if they insist on playing sand maps with rituals that we have to fight the daemonhost over rushing to get to it

[tulip kettle]

also none of this actually applies with good teams

you dont need to run away or anything

running away gets you killed

being as 4 is all you need to win in this game, for real.

[strong gulch]

Being backed up against anything is generally not great. I am pretty bad about getting stuck in corners. If it has to be done, having a wall (not a spawn door) vs a corner is better. YOu still have room to dodge and you know enemies won't run up to you from all directions. Also look up to see if things can drop down on you tho.

[acoustic jacinth]

going to try inferno, is venting shreak necessary for this? i've been running warp unbound scrier's gaze for as long as i can remember

[strong gulch]

But yeah, working AND MOVING as a team prevents a lot of shit.

Of course the game can be a buttface,

[ripe obsidian]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butthole_Surfers

[gray juniper]

You tend to solo longer than me so I’ll take your word for it

[strong gulch]

Inferno + shriek is meta for inferno in maels and lower.

[hearty wolf]

I don't die as psyker unless it's on my own terms

BOOM

[acoustic jacinth]

could you expand please? i do not understand why shriek is important for it (i know about the soulblaze spread but do not see its importance when you have a staff built for that)

[ripe obsidian]

Martyr Psyker.

[strong gulch]

If you want to dig into stuff more. Look info on the slot system (if you don't know already).

[ripe obsidian]

Short answer: peril clear without wasting time quelling, and it pushes you over the soft cap for soulblaze. 21 stacks is ~50% more DPS than 15.

[hearty wolf]

I may do 1 more game for today

[ripe obsidian]

Staff soft caps at 15 stacks (16 w/ crit). Shriek can technically go to 31.

[acoustic jacinth]

ah i see

[ripe obsidian]

Also, having a massive AoE stagger on a super short cooldown is great

[acoustic jacinth]

makes sense then, thanks

[hearty wolf]

Oh yeah anyway

Ogryn has psykinetics aura

Why did no one ever point that

Our

Out

[strong gulch]

Inferno has a softcap of 15 SB (16 if last app is a crit) stacks and limited range. Shirek at high enough peril, creeping flames assumed, has more range and puts 6 SB stacks on top of inferno's 15. More stacks is a lot more damage. There's also the unility of shriek.

[tulip kettle]

wut

also is internet ok again?

[upper sun]

brusier aura

[tulip kettle]

thought you just had a crashout lol

[hearty wolf]

For itself

[tulip kettle]

me not ogryn main

me smack spikey with club and throw rock

[acoustic jacinth]

Sounds good, thanks. will try it out now, making my build

[jovial juniper]

Because it's only for Oggy

[hearty wolf]

But infinite bullrush

[tulip kettle]

oh wow this is actually good

[jovial juniper]

Yeah it's a core talent

[hearty wolf]

Oh internet is fine

[jovial juniper]

[strong gulch]

If build crafting isn't for you, check out 3rd pin

[hearty wolf]

I just alt f4'd after I watched myself die to one gunner after I used bullrush to knock 3 others over

[raven mountain]

That and the cdr on stagger for taunt generally means you can have taunt up as long as you have something to hit.

[hearty wolf]

Triple gunner resist inc

[gray juniper]

I do not

[hearty wolf]

Should have just moved so they came to us rather than going to them

[ripe obsidian]

Why didn't you memorize all the talents. >:(

[raven mountain]

The simplest way to put it is to imagine a hexagon or octagon around you, and only enemies standing on those points can hit you.

[tulip kettle]

oh so you did crash out

[raven mountain]

They run around to that spot, then they start whatever attack they're gonna do.

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/i-get-it-snoop-dogg-red-table-talk-i-understand-i-know-gif-16483599

[acoustic jacinth]

Ahhh worry not, i love buildcrafting

but thank you, it might give me guidance

[ripe obsidian]

Psyker's tree doesn't have the most build variability, at least compared with Arbiter and Ogryn, but it's miles better than Zealot or Veteran

[acoustic jacinth]

true

i still feel like i have variety though

[hearty wolf]

I was requested by the woman to play game because I've been NEGLECTFUL

Even as we speak, I'm on the toilet but have the palworld server running

[marble crater]

Don't be neglectful then, smh

[hearty wolf]

This is why I end up sleeping at 3am to fit everything in

[tulip kettle]

reasonable, i literally said "i bet his mrs called him and hes in trouble"

[ripe obsidian]

Same. I spend the evening with my partner and then play games when she goes to sleep.

[tulip kettle]

look at all these well rounded, relationship having, hobbies other than darktide enjoying FREAKS

[weary idol]

yeah because the staves have relatively different playstyles, and EP smite/assail are fun in aurics

zealot is like

not running The Build™ even in aurics just feels like shit to play

[hearty wolf]

Darktide loading screens are so long that they're actually pretty pog because they give me stuff to write

[weary idol]

They don't have build variety so much as they have objectively correct choices to make in their pathing

[hearty wolf]

And I don't have the motivation to sit and write for hours

[weary idol]

Veteran has some build variety

[solar sparrow]

does kinetic flayer proc on bosses?

[hearty wolf]

Yes

[solar sparrow]

so that's how I'm getting all that ridiculous boss dmg

with kinetic flayer it doesnt even make sense to whip out dueling sword right?

[weary idol]

no not really

brain burst's boss damage is quite bad

[hearty wolf]

Ye

[solar sparrow]

hmm

[hearty wolf]

What's likely happening is you're getting 31 soulblaze stacks from PC or shriek

And your teammates are in Africa like they typically are

[solar sparrow]

perilous combustion yeah, i havent played shriek in h40 yet

[hearty wolf]

And/or they're running stuff like brittleness which is assisting you

[solar sparrow]

i feel like people would kill me if i didnt bring bubble

[hearty wolf]

Yeah I'm a terrorist

I won't be shackled with the likes of the dome

[strong gulch]

As agent says, host your own game. YOur rules

[acoustic jacinth]

this is very specific, but imo warp unbound scrier + kinetic resonance bb is goddamn nuts

if one has empower psionics too for a boost even better

[hearty wolf]

But is it nuts compared to the Arbs dog

[acoustic jacinth]

i dunno, tell that to the ones running lone wolf

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-alone-gif-11375996495065887435

[hearty wolf]

There's many Arbs that appear to think lone wolf is meta

They're wrong, but it's interesting

[ripe obsidian]

I play Inferno + Shriek regularly as the lone psyker. Or EK + Shriek if I can steal from Potato

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-avengers-finally-someone-who-speaks-english-captain-america-tony-stark-gif-17147260

[acoustic jacinth]

i've honestly shut my ears off and just followed my own way learning as i go, it would seem everyone constantly disagrees on everything so

[strong gulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1004447866250613048/1350220757657059469/Soulblaze_Yummy.gif

[acoustic jacinth]

of course, some people genuinely take the time to be unbiased and simply test values

but oh well

[strong gulch]

that gif is obligatory at this point

[acoustic jacinth]

what do you think of warp battery?

overkill for warp siphon?

[ripe obsidian]

It is a very apt gif. I approve

[tulip kettle]

warp battery is kind of meh

on most builds the uptime you have on 5 or 6 stacks is negligible

[hearty wolf]

Who play?

[ripe obsidian]

Hm. There is a homeless man with his groin out lying on the sidewalk. I don't know if I should call someone.

[strong gulch]

Depends. Gotta ask what warp siphon's purpose is. Imo it's for CDR. The extra damager per WC is nice but not the point. So if you are getting your ability back before 5 WC stacks, then warp battery is not offering much.

Also gotta ask, what else is there to take?

[acoustic jacinth]

i see

oh nothing

i was just wondering because some builds leave it out

i wanna take it tho

why not

i'm super new to venting shriek and warp siphon anyways

good to have

[strong gulch]

If you want to take it then take it. If so, I rec dumping WR as hard as you can.

edit to add that this is specifically for warp battery

[acoustic jacinth]

do i have to be managing my siphon stacks?

[ornate hamlet]

Still working on that penance. I think I shouldn't think about it when I'm doing it.

[jovial juniper]

There's a lone wolf penance?

[strong gulch]

i can

need a moment

[acoustic jacinth]

no worries, i am aware, i just need mastery now (:

[hearty wolf]

https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1032364932093714492

[jovial juniper]

Damn FS still trolling people with weird play styles

[hearty wolf]

@tulip kettle quick before I'm invaded by randoms

[strong gulch]

Ye. get burn to 76+ and cloud to 80 then good

[acoustic jacinth]

hope i get some rolling steel

don't wanna spend my life savings on a staff's mastery

[hearty wolf]

@buoyant maple hi

Devil Claw dump

what is?

People say is mobility but if I'm using it for pary only, me no need cleave damage

or targets

[ripe obsidian]

Dump damage. Don't be a coward.

If you hit anything with the sword, you're a fake Psyker. >:(

[hearty wolf]

@tulip kettle

[ornate hamlet]

Warp battery ..

[ripe obsidian]

Note: this is bad advice. Probably don't dump damage

[pale prairie]

Gonna need to see code proof that it’s bad

[solar sparrow]

what do you guys prefer between blaze force and dueling sword? blaze force sword feels much harder to use

maybe cause I'm experienced with the dueling sword

but also apart from the movement tech it's very much an easy mode weapon lol

[strong gulch]

@hearty wolf @tulip kettle

pre crafting update lmao

[radiant frigate]

wrong type of void

[fresh reef]

Above 50k melee damage = not a real psyker

[hearty wolf]

😭

We didn't even get to the mid event and I had more than 50k...

[ornate hamlet]

I'm going to try this penance tmrw, my hands are tired /=

[strong gulch]

No this is pre update. Millions spend on the perfect fire trauma. The game refusing to give me surge on VS. Hadron only giving me terrible barrage. Shop refusing to not dump blast radius. This was a totally well adjusted reaction (I actually crashed out hard).

[hearty wolf]

@ripe obsidian

[ripe obsidian]

Is this the right type?

[ripe obsidian]

How long will you be playing? I just got home and I am cooling down

[sturdy reef]

some1 trying to run H40

[hearty wolf]

I got 1 more in me probs

you come?

[ripe obsidian]

Ehhhhhh not at the moment. But thank you

[hearty wolf]

kk

[ripe obsidian]

I keep seeing people on Reddit claim that Psyker has better toughness gain than other classes, and I do not think I agree. Compared with Veteran, maybe. But I don't think Psyker beats Arby or Ogryn, and I am not sure about Zealot

[hearty wolf]

If you take the toughness nodes

Like all of them

Way more than others methinks

You don't usually get to take quietude and warp expenditure

But if you're able to take those, you're getting toughness for breathing

[strong gulch]

Before arby and oggy rework it was true, but now??

[hard widget]

I never take warp expenditure

I'm also thinking if plus 15 toughness node is straight up better than queitude or not

[raven mountain]

I mean, they have a ton of general toughness gen, but they don't have capped toughness damage reduction, and they are generally squishy as well.

But with toughness on crit, toughness on warp kill (with fire), bubble regen, warp charge gen, gen on quell, and a few others I'm forgetting, there's quite a bit of gain.

[tulip kettle]

and yet not even close to just spamming LMB on bully club

or just bracing your ranged weapon

[raven mountain]

I mean, 12% per second is achievable, but again, Ogryn have basically capped tdr, so the toughness they have goes way further, and it makes their effective toughness gain better.

But Psykers do get a lot of general toughness generation, even if they can't make it last.

Wouldn't say they're the kings of toughness gen or anything, but they do recover it pretty quickly from a single hit.

[jovial juniper]

I mean mettle still mettleing

Since the last fix it's giving all your toughness back if you hit multiple enemies with a crit

When most of your staves hit multiple enemies

And like crits

https://tenor.com/view/monster-versus-vs-alien-monster-vs-alien-gif-16037253809360562033

[hearty wolf]

There's also the thing of

In auric, you're literally unkillable as psyker

Tdr doesn't mean anything if you're constantly at 100%

You get hit - instantly back to 100 so you can't take bleed through

And because of what you can slot as psyker, you're getting kills from soulblaze and soulstealer

Literally no class can compete with that

[ripe obsidian]

Psyker gets good toughness gen when attacking, so long as you crit or kill a lot at once. It's pretty conditional. Ogryn and Arby get toughness for hitting enemies at all, or spending stamina, or aiming their gun

[jovial juniper]

You also get toughness by quelling

Don't forget that

[ripe obsidian]

Quietude sucks

[ripe obsidian]

I hate it

[jovial juniper]

C'mon now

Set your bias aside

[static sonnet]

Hate it when you are getting gunned down and dont have anything to hit with staff

[ripe obsidian]

17 toughness on a Shriek or something like that is hardly worth it to me

2-4 toughness per quell tick?

It's counterproductive, since doing a big quell means losing damage, crit chance, TDR, etc.

Whereas other classes' non-killing toughness gen sources are more naturally integrated and synergistic

[jovial juniper]

Psykers base is 75
You restore 3,75

[ripe obsidian]

I have 90 in H40

Quelling is not a set amount, either

[jovial juniper]

4,5

[ripe obsidian]

You quell more at higher peril, less at lower

Okay, so let's say I quell exactly 10% per tick. I don't know how long a tick takes, since it's variable

But quelling 20% is 9 toughness

[hard widget]

Is 15 toughness node straight up better that quietude

[ripe obsidian]

Quelling 50% is 22.5 toughness, and what do I lose for that in terms of damage, crit, etc.?

[ripe obsidian]

In my opinion, yes.

Quietude is anti-synergistic and has very minimal returns

[hard widget]

How much do you get with a high peril shriek

[ripe obsidian]

With 49% toughness from curios, a 15 toughness node is 22.5 toughness anyway

[hard widget]

Through qt

[ripe obsidian]

Without ER, assuming 90 toughness max, 22.5

[jovial juniper]

No

[ripe obsidian]

With ER, like 16

But you shouldn't have ER with Shriek/Inferno. Shriek/EK is preference

[hard widget]

What's ek again

Is that one to the right of er

Oh electro staff

[ripe obsidian]

Zapstick

[hard widget]

I have inferno obscurus kf, bubble, shriek and warp siphon

No er

But I have quietude and ee

No one with the warp either

It seems fine

It kinda sucks to have to use bb manually for long range, but at least it gets the kill

[ripe obsidian]

OwtW is not great either

+15 toughness is better unless you're above 80% peril

[hard widget]

Well

The only choice I have I think, is either taking off kd or quietude

I'm pretty sure the rest are good

Maybe I'll try playing without kd

If I can survive then I shouldn't need it no

[ripe obsidian]

KD is amazing

I would never drop it

It's a huge increase to blocking power, especially versus bosses, and it's peril gen so you do more damage when you get to stab back, or shriek

[hard widget]

I dropped deflector, I have slaughterer and uncanny, I still got KD though

Maybe I can drop slaughterer too for deflector

It's not like I need slaughterer for horde clear

And uncanny is enough for elite and specials

[fresh reef]

Sorry bestie, ur a fake rangeslave

[dull scroll]

dropping KD is playing Russian roulette on higher diff

[rancid jasper]

imo quietude is situational, but in builds where you are quickly building and quelling peril e.g. SG builds it can get you a lot of toughness regen then quickly building the peril back

[proper osprey]

@autumn smelt what staff or gun do you love on melee psyker the most?

If you’re running tac axe

[autumn smelt]

agrip revolver or laspistol

[proper osprey]

Thanks

Even in havoc?

Revolver?

[rancid jasper]

we love revolver

revolver is cool

[proper osprey]

Same perks as zealot on revolver?

Or what is it used for?

Boss?

[autumn smelt]

agrip for boss and armor
laspistol for boss and reapers

[proper osprey]

I see I see

[dull scroll]

the pope of the taxe cult has graced this chat

https://tenor.com/view/pope-francis-blessing-gif-1481704290608981441

[proper osprey]

All hail tac axe

Where is the list of tac axe users

[zinc phoenix]

It got axed

[proper osprey]

They hate us

The history of our people

it’s friggin gone!

[thorn cedar]

The shit that pistol can do to a Reaper is hysterical. Especially when you're fully stacked up.

[proper osprey]

Armor can be a issue that why i always ran brittle trauma

I suppose revolver is what I’m looking for but I’ll be only using it on crushers

I might be better off with laspistol

[wispy bay]

If you are not Vet, the revolver can't work very well in high havoc.

[tulip kettle]

i run it on my zel with no issues

its actually great for snapshotting trappers/bombers etc

[wispy bay]

Bolter is better with zealot imo.

Bpistol*

[proper osprey]

Bolter or flamer yeah

I only take bistol for the crusher ngl

Tknife takes the place of revolver

[proper osprey]

With psyker and having more finesse than zealot and a ton of crit I believe it will be amazing burst dps

[tulip kettle]

disagree but thats fine

[strong gulch]

Bistol is best when I'm not the one using it.

[tulip kettle]

bistol will not kill a trapper / bomber more than 50% of the time in high havoc

if there was no other bleed then yeah sure its great

but arb and ogryn exist

let them get bleed and use revolver to actually kill stuff that needs to die, AKA specials and reapers

[strong gulch]

WAIT bistol burster herding for smyker management.

[tulip kettle]

ah yes, the classic burster herd bistol

[strong gulch]

yes

I should use revolver more on non havocs.

I used to like it. Last time I gave it a real try tho, Hand Cannon was still 90% rending.

unless BB, bubble, with warp siphon and revolver on H40 and just being confused the whole time counts

because that's not the build I picked

[deft stump]

It's just minmaxxing. 76% gets you maximum burn.

And I went to bed out of depression, woke up to find I missed the bit where Kat's (kinda) German, sus cheeses and venomous mammals.

[rancid jasper]

how exactly does the bistol glitch work
does it just make all your ranged damage inflict bleed when held out or?

ranged and explosion? any?

[weary idol]

yeah

[strong gulch]

[rancid jasper]

is there a dot that inflicts ranged damage
probably not right

[ripe obsidian]

In exchange for what, though? That's the real question. Opportunity cost. And even with something like Voidblast, which quells constantly, I'm getting only 6.3 toughness back for every 20% peril quelled.

[weary idol]

no

dots are dots

there WAS one

with the dog blitz on arbites

but that got patched

[strong gulch]

Have to have bistol with bleed out. Then it applies to ranged. This includes FGS special, assail, and even KF. IDK if there's anything else included or that can be included.

[rancid jasper]

wait what they patched that?

[deft stump]

Just ranged.

[deft stump]

Dog boom was patched.

[rancid jasper]

oh nice

did they patch that one keystone yet

[deft stump]

Ppl complained op when the real op was just the bleed pounce.

[weary idol]

no lol

[rancid jasper]

maybe the real op is the whole class :P

[weary idol]

yeah it got patched quick

and fixing it then caused this

https://fximgur.com/a/MT3KnjV

which they then fixed again, and that broke Execution Order

which is where we are now

[rancid jasper]

tbf it and soulstealer are in competition for leading to pc, soulstealer would probably be better in most situations.

[jovial juniper]

The way the just get launched up still hilarious

[rancid jasper]

but in situations you're generating toughness from soulstealer, you probably already have a good amount of toughness [like from mettle] or aren't too threatened. quietude gives you a more unique/accessible way of regenerating toughness to get you out of the situations you otherwise might struggle

[strong gulch]

Non combat toughness gen. It's nice to fit when able.

[rancid jasper]

especially when it leads to something as nice as PC

[strong gulch]

Can be the difference of surviving getting out of gas or not.

But builds can be so point hungry

[ripe obsidian]

Mettle is gambling. Soulstealer is consistent, and especially with soulblaze you're getting lingering stack kills all the time. Plus, it's 7.5% per kill as opposed to 5% per 10 peril

[strong gulch]

so I've dumped it on a lot of my builds

[rancid jasper]

depending on the build you can very consistently proc mettle

i don't believe quietude is always better, just that it can be useful

[weary idol]

"mettle is gambling"

gun psyker stays winning

[patent jacinth]

Is mettle even gambling when most staves run crit chance anyway

[ripe obsidian]

40% chance is still gambling, and it can be frustrating if it doesn't pop when you need it

[ripe obsidian]

Not so reliable on non-gunker or meleeker builds

[weary idol]

SG psyker has 49% crit on most weapons but yes

little under half

[ornate hamlet]

Gamba 🦨

[rancid jasper]

isn't there a system that stops you from getting super unlucky with crits

and why single out gunker and meleeker builds? of course things will vary in strength with the wrong build for it

[ripe obsidian]

It also stops you from being too lucky, I think. But the math of the crit system has confounded me

[ripe obsidian]

Because getting weakspot hits to proc true aim is not really a thing with staves unless you're using LMB

And most staff builds don't pick DD

[patent jacinth]

Or you switch to melee for 5 hits

Also, voidstrike

[rancid jasper]

yeah what i'm saying is why are you discounting that just because it's not great on staff builds

[ripe obsidian]

That's a pretty silly thing to do in Havoc.

[ripe obsidian]

I did say most.

[patent jacinth]

Not for the first comment

[ripe obsidian]

...because most staff builds don't pick True Aim, so it's not going to come into play very often?

[ripe obsidian]

I also don't really see Voidstrike in high havoc, so it's not front of mind.

[deft stump]

Have both, giggle.

[ripe obsidian]

I do use both.

[timber parcel]

what happened to purg being the giga meta 😭

theres like several builds that are better

[ripe obsidian]

Mettle is great when it procs. It is not reliable, and sometimes the crit only hits 2-3 enemies. I use it on almost every build. But Soulstealer is more reliable, more consistent, and more toughness per proc.

[ripe obsidian]

Inferno is about 35-40% crit for me in most missions

And Inferno is the meta for high havoc. It's pretty commonly considered the best staff at high difficulties

[timber parcel]

yeah but psyker is not very meta anymore

[flat nexus]

Dog boom> patch dog boom make bleed work with dog dmg buff> not 100% sure about this one but it feels like they reverted to dogboom dmg modifiers not being counted patch but now you dont have dog boom interaction

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/giggles-gif-26049387

[flat nexus]

Psyker is still meta, in my group one of us goes psyker if we all have purple modifiers, sometimes we can get away with 4 arbies but those games becomes a slug fest, if its purple red we have a psyker

[ripe obsidian]

That is not correct.

[timber parcel]

it is not better than arbitrator or ogryn

[flat nexus]

Donate this staff for me plz

[ripe obsidian]

Ogryn, no. Arbitrator, arguably.

Arby is better at self-sufficiency.

[timber parcel]

zealot cheesing is also better

[ripe obsidian]

No

Not at all

[deft stump]

Heh.

[pale prairie]

But it does feel like they struggle with specials and elites. great for horde smacking but otherwise..... maybe I have just been seeing the lower end of the spectrum

[timber parcel]

arbitrator has better defense and similar damage

arbitrator also deals with bosses better

[pale prairie]

thinking about it again maybe its they suck at positioning

[flat nexus]

Struggles at normal captain shield rest can be dealt with easily

[timber parcel]

oh, h40

[ripe obsidian]

Arby has better defense, less team utility, limited AoE, good CC, and not as much damage as Psyker in most scenarios.

[wispy bay]

After so many failed H40 with our people... I did it again with rando 1st game no warm up.

[timber parcel]

you can just run multiple arbitrators and ogryns and its easier than trying to incorporate a psyker

[wispy bay]

It is not anyone here fault, but the game director fucked us over so bad when we played together..

[ripe obsidian]

Because everyone is trying to solo the mission.

[timber parcel]

its easier that way

[wispy bay]

Arby will eventually win the game, but you are not going to do 20min H40 with arby...

[timber parcel]

?

[ripe obsidian]

A team of all arbies is just four single-player people trying to win on their own.

[timber parcel]

not happening with psyker either

[timber parcel]

and its easier

[timber parcel]

no id do it with zealot

[ripe obsidian]

What is it with people coming to Psyker chat lately just to yell about Psyker being bad?

[timber parcel]

i want psyker to be good

so i was hoping id be wrong

[ripe obsidian]

You are.

Everyone has said so.

You're choosing to ignore it because you want to be right more than you want to agree.

[timber parcel]

two people have said so, so far

[weary idol]

psyker has the 2nd highest damage output of any class in the game

consistent damage output

[timber parcel]

im disagreeing im not ignoring your points

[weary idol]

into all health types

only being outpaced by rumbler ogryn

[wispy bay]

Only if the big man has ammo...

[timber parcel]

ok ill shut up and continue playing with true solo mod

[weary idol]

staff psykers can't really kill bosses in the way gun psyker does but they also don't have to play every single encounter 1 sneeze away from dying in the same way

[ripe obsidian]

Your disagreement is just taking the form of, "no arby better".

[timber parcel]

arbitrator has skull crusher, psyker does not. arbitrator has more tdr, toughness regen, ignores 2/3 of disablers, castigators is god mode, and has no genuine weaknesses

[patent jacinth]

Psyker has skullcrusher

[weary idol]

psyker can get skull crusher on the shock maul

[patent jacinth]

And dclaw

if you like self harm

[timber parcel]

i mean are you using those when you play psyker? you do use crusher often on arb

[weary idol]

no I use FGS because it trivializes every melee encounter in the game lmao

[flat nexus]

https://youtu.be/G1FRzjBc93Q?si=h-p_24Q4XuJCEeET if ourple modifiers we will take 40-60 mins, takes a while when purple captain keeps spawning with bon and they hide in each other

[candid temple]

charge up is too finicky, I'd rather use relic blade or asm

looks great though

[weary idol]

charge up is just by killing things

[candid temple]

yes, vs relic blade special click

[weary idol]

takes like 5 seconds of fighting to get a lvl 1 charge that kills every trash enemy

[ripe obsidian]

Psyker has Soulblaze, Arby does not. Psyker has bubble shield, arby does not. Psyker has Psykinetic Aura, arby does not. It goes both ways.

[candid temple]

Psykinetic Aura nerf when?

Unchained sub-class when?

[weary idol]

psyker has scaling into infinite density too

arbites has dog bleed I guess

[timber parcel]

havoc caps at 40 so thats irrelevant, if you mean to imply theoretical difficulties

[weary idol]

but that doesn't even come close to the staves or FGS

[timber parcel]

if you mean to imply theoretical difficulties

[weary idol]

no I mean density as in enemy density

if there are 100 poxwalkers in a corridor one FGS wave will kill all of them

[timber parcel]

its 100 poxwalkers, who cares

[weary idol]

inferno staff will DoT all of them

[flat nexus]

Weakness is balwark + purple modifers with armour horde, takes like 1-6 mins killing the armour pack with crushers maulers bulwarks + purple captain, psyker can make this quicker by burning all the mauler balwarks

[rancid jasper]

is it just me or do the sound cues in this game not play half the time?
I might just be bad at listening

[candid temple]

that happens sometimes

spidey sense can help

[flat nexus]

And if the map is red purple and you left 1-3 low balwarks alive and it regens all of its health, you eill be in for a fun time

[timber parcel]

okay, how about psyker into red and pox gas? arbitrator has no problem

[flat nexus]

Avoid pox gas like a plauge

[weary idol]

gun psyker doesn't interact with red because they usually do more than 50% of an enemies health with every attack

except for bulwarks

psyker doesn't like dealing with bulwarks

[flat nexus]

You see it you join someone else mission

[rancid jasper]

is that a cheat mod

[candid temple]

there are no cheat mods

[weary idol]

gun psyker 2 taps crushers if you get crit on the stab

takes 3-4 if you don't

in havoc 40 obv

also has high enough damage to brute force through purple healing if you really have to

[flat nexus]

I think thid is the same with arbies shockmaul if you use ult

[weary idol]

wouldn't surprise me

[flat nexus]

Need right side + arbi vigilance

And bunch of dmg nodes belloe

[candid temple]

in any case, psyker too weak, rework for more buffs pls

[flat nexus]

For red its a matter of gambling vd gunners

[candid temple]

I want the entire map to combust in warpfire when I step off the plane.

[flat nexus]

Pray you crit or die trying

[timber parcel]

like literally rn imo:

1. speedrun shroud
2. arb/ogryn
3. book zealot-psyker purg
4. etc.

[weary idol]

book zealot is dumpster tier garbage

nowhere near psyker

[ripe obsidian]

Ogryn > Arby/Psyker > Zealot >>>>> Veteran

Poor Veteran

[candid temple]

yes, poor veteran

buffs please

[timber parcel]

zealot is the strongest, with shroud

[ripe obsidian]

What a take.

[weary idol]

shroud is directly inferior to FOTF

[candid temple]

https://tenor.com/view/deimos-r6-siege-gif-6204485797971098070

[weary idol]

outside of y'know exploiting enemy spawns

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-used-to-be-believable-baited-jebaited-bait-i-got-jebaited-gif-1296286127798996733

[timber parcel]

yes precisely that

[weary idol]

I'm not actually sure if that even works in havoc

[timber parcel]

yes it does

[flat nexus]

I would say arby over ogryn

[weary idol]

no

arby ain't close to ogryn

nobody is

[ripe obsidian]

Ogryn is definitely better, especially for team play

[timber parcel]

you dont need team play in this game

[weary idol]

you do if you don't want to get permanently blacklisted from every single havoc lobby for abusing a dumb exploit

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, I'm done. This is just getting stupid.

[flat nexus]

Cant argue with that, my group is mostly solo play and just w key until a boss spawns or a mass armour units of something that cant be w key

[timber parcel]

like psyker is only realistically meta if you have purple and yellow

[weary idol]

they're meta into high density crowds in general

[flat nexus]

Can skip gold toughness its just really hard

[weary idol]

which is all you ever see in havoc

[timber parcel]

its not even dense enough in h40

[candid temple]

shhh, they'll nerf warpfire in class rework

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/kk-gif-15803140109120205266

[ripe obsidian]

Person comes into chat with preconceived notions > says they just want to talk about it > shoots down all ideas that don't align with theirs > makes blanket statements

Repeat twice daily for as long as needed until Psyker gets a buff, I guess.

[weary idol]

surely this time they'll buff assail and people will willingly not take psykinetics aura for it

maybe if they make SG apply soulblaze to nearby enemies passively based on how many stacks you have then people will use it over dome :)

I don't really have comparable gun psyker clips outside of a few instances of boss melting with vraks autogun

Because I don't really consider general gameplay clips to be that exceptional myself xd

at least not in havocs

I have the one H40 burgle dying to one vraks magazine

even if it was a weakened one

Like if I considered me wiping entire rooms in like 15 seconds by myself as gun psyker exceptional I would need an entire hard drive dedicated to them

[pale prairie]

you shoot it in the boil?

[weary idol]

yeah

[pale prairie]

fuck yeah

[weary idol]

plus I recently switched over to raking fire on my IAG

just to get more consistent damage when bosses refuse to aggro onto me

and also because I hate burgles

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/easy-there-spartacus-calm-down-chill-relax-whoa-there-gif-15073839

but will I see any veterans in my games??? DOUBT

[tulip kettle]

yeah psyker is bad and not meta at all

[candid temple]

warpfire damage is just statpadding, without it, the damage would be distributed among other players

[tulip kettle]

bleed damage is just statpadding, without it, the damage would be distributed among other players

[candid temple]

now you're getting it, buff pls

[tulip kettle]

burning damage is just statpadding, without it, the damage would be distributed among other players

[pale prairie]

Honestly if someone is playing true solo mod all the time then yeah the arbiter will be the most OP and meta BECAUSE THE OTHER CHARACTERS ARE BOTS

[tulip kettle]

and because arb is 2 players.

dog gives you coherency in solo

balanced

[pale prairie]

loNe WoLf Is ThE mEtA

[ripe obsidian]

Would've been easier with four Arbitrators. 🙃

[candid temple]

so it's cheating if you don't use lone wolf in true solo?

[pale prairie]

Well I mean it’s not true solo anymore is it?

[candid temple]

doggo is just another tool, just like a grenade is a tool

[raven mountain]

companion damage is just statpadding, without it, the damage would be distributed among other players

[pale prairie]

When will my grenade pull its pin and free me from the Pox Hound?

I am starting to see a trend here

[candid temple]

why are you getting hit by a pox hound?

[pale prairie]

cause they can jump through bulwarks and crushers

[raven mountain]

Because my dog will knock it off for me.

[pale prairie]

I don't have the Spidey sense mod

[raven mountain]

And they're silent. xD

[wispy bay]

Dog can trigger toxic mine from the Lt.

[pale prairie]

no no no its a tool just like a grenade

that is very useful

[raven mountain]

orly? That's cool.

[wispy bay]

Dog can stop mutants without you even asking for.

[pale prairie]

no shit?

[wispy bay]

Dog can stun bosses.

[candid temple]

just drop a nade before you get pounced,

[wispy bay]

Yes, a tool, just like you are...

[pale prairie]

Okay so new idea we delete smite and I get a swarm of autonomous Assail shards

like bees

[pale prairie]

Okay lets see so I need to have like 123 grenades right?