psyker-class

[ripe obsidian]

Might actually be 2 in a row

B/c it's < rather than <=

[strong gulch]

This feels like I'm being taught to read.

[ripe obsidian]

How I feel at work daily

[strong gulch]

[pale prairie]

Yeah if auto fire is the RMB it sounds like there’s a max limit on the crits that can occur. Above it says max is 3. If that number is lower than 3 than it gets to add a 1 to the current critical shots. Regardless seems each “projectile” tracks how many crits it has and how many it can have before no longer critting

[ripe obsidian]

My next question is how it decides when you can crit again.

[pale prairie]

I am imagining each projectile has the crit chance from the staff and any time it hits an enemy it rolls the dice

It checks how many crits it has left then sees if it qualifies

[strong gulch]

Iirc crits are applied when fired?? I think.

[ripe obsidian]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/72cde1c088677d22b3830d9681d015167782b10a/scripts/extension_systems/weapon/actions/action_shoot.lua#L958

ActionShoot._check_for_auto_critical_strike = function (self)

It seems like non-automatic weapons don't have a maximum crit limit

[pale prairie]

Makes sense because many of them have limited cleave. Don’t need the crit limit if it cant cleave through more than 2 or 3 enemies

[ripe obsidian]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/72cde1c088677d22b3830d9681d015167782b10a/scripts/utilities/attack/critical_strike.lua#L6

It gets deeper into math than I am willing to go

[strong gulch]

math again

[ripe obsidian]

        critical_strike_component.num_critical_shots = num_critical_shots + 1
    end```

[pale prairie]

Huh PseudoRandomDistribution. I wonder if that’s a stand in for the check on max crits.

Huh critical strike chance modifier

[strong gulch]

this game and its secrets

Also lol at my cat for "discovering" my cane all on his own.

[potent echo]

I assume auto_fire means RMB channeled flame torrent

But this also works for lmb..

Where's the LMB crit code

[ripe obsidian]

LMB is not auto, so the crit chains shouldn't matter

[potent echo]

But pseudo random seems about right from experience

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, I just got 8 crits in a row with LMB.

[pale prairie]

Like he dragged it to you or scared himself shitless?

[potent echo]

[pale prairie]

8 individual LmB or just one?

[ripe obsidian]

I'm having trouble testing recon lasgun because all the damage ticks overlap and make everything yellow

[ripe obsidian]

Individual

[pale prairie]

Weird

[potent echo]

Use sound analyser for crit

[weary idol]

recon fires in bursts when hipfired

it's single fire when ADS tho

[strong gulch]

He's scared if I walk with it, but he finally noticed it hanging off my bike.

[ripe obsidian]

LMB critfest. LMB is still affected by the pseudorandom stuff, but I don't think it's forced not to crit

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/motherland-motherland-fort-salem-ancient-enemy-gif-17271231

[pale prairie]

Yeah it’s clear they didn’t leash LMB as much they are concerned more with auto fire.

[strong gulch]

If you wear denim around him he's like RUNNNNN

[pale prairie]

Lmao judgemental fashion kitty

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-gasp-what-cat-shock-gif-991789866523373942

constant state of WOAH

[pale prairie]

What lovable derp. Cat personalities are wonderfully individual and horribly individual lmao

Void cats and orange ones are just unfathomable

[strong gulch]

mine could stand to be more individual ngl

like be on their own

[pale prairie]

Attachment? Oh I bet. My orange screams for lots of attention and play but gets supremely unimpressed by toys after 20 min

https://tenor.com/view/hey-stalker-mode-alert-cat-gif-21671854

[strong gulch]

The youngest are 3 siblings. 2 voids and 1 dilute torbie.

[pale prairie]

Yeah we have siblings but they hardly play with each other and instead want human entertainment.

[strong gulch]

ready for business

[waxen jackal]

Does anyone have the single target and horde combos for the force greatsword?

[pale prairie]

Science lab coat lmao hard to tell

[strong gulch]

Hope the science is pee poo

[waxen jackal]

Nevermind it just seems like light attack for hordes and heavy for single

[pale prairie]

Depends on the mark

But for both L1, L2 Shield cancel for hordes

[strong gulch]

You can more or less light spam for horde and heavy for single.

That being said of course there are more optimized combos for 6 vs 8.

[pale prairie]

Mk 8 you can just go heavies but if you want the stab you have to push attack

Mk6 you go heavies too but if you want the stab faster you swing a light first and then go heavy

[waxen jackal]

Cool thank yall

It's been a while since I played psyker. Like right when the greatsword dropped

[pale prairie]

Alright I have to sleep. Night everybody

[strong gulch]

Like with FGS 6 swap do a coupl lights and repeat

for FGS 8 do a couple light blck cancel repeat

for hordes

[pale prairie]

It’s my favorite melee

[strong gulch]

For single FGS 6 is more or less heavy spam; H1L2 seems to take shields down the faster.

FGS 8 I'm less versed in but opening with a PA for the big upper stab then heavy spam seems to be it. Do PA H as needed or when you can??

I am not a FGS "expert" so take what I say with a grain of salt.

[waxen jackal]

Is the mk 6 generally more liked?

[strong gulch]

OH. One thing I will add is the movement on the sword can be punishing / feel bad if you mess up the timing of holding attacks and dodging. So be mindful of that and play around in the meat grinder.

Or just go stab stuff. YOu don't have to be super pro locked in.

[strong gulch]

Yeah, 6 is generally favored here at least.

[waxen jackal]

Yeah I'm trying it out in the meat grinder. It seems more fun

[strong gulch]

FGS 6 has easier access to single target damage

while FGS 8 has easier access to horde clear.

Then go with the 6

I just tell people to pick the one with the moveset that they like better.

That makes more sense to them.

A weapon making sense to a player will sever them better when shit hits the fan. They can more easily just stab vs running combo math in their heads.

[waxen jackal]

Well I'll have plenty of time to practice since I accidentally didn't skip the campaign

[strong gulch]

If you hate it, you can spend 50k ordos at the personality change guy.

to opt out

[waxen jackal]

I tried twice and for some reason it won't give me the option to skip after

[topaz lichen]

just got the brain burst penance on a weakened monstrosity

It died to like 5 BBs

[strong gulch]

you have to go through the entire creation process, but because you already have selections, you can just choose next.

at the end you are given the option to opt out

[topaz lichen]

surprised that counts tbh

[waxen jackal]

Is uncanny/slaughterer still the way to go for the regular force sword?

[strong gulch]

yes and no

you can't go wrong by choosing that

[topaz lichen]

yesn't

[strong gulch]

Illisi the anchor is slaughter
deimos and obscurus the anchor is uncanny

Oh. Obscurus is good now.

[waxen jackal]

That's crazy

Never thought I'd see the day

[strong gulch]

Sometimes people don't like FGS but still want melee, and have been liking obscurus.

Ye. Moveset change and a buff

HLL for single
LH (idk if that is the full combo) for horde

[waxen jackal]

I'll have to try it out

[plucky flax]

Obscurus is too hard to play.

Imo it has worse horde clear than just deimos light spam.

[waxen jackal]

So for the single target force swords, would precog or reposte be best to pair with uncanny? Or is it preference

[strong gulch]

The little bit of horde clear I've tried with it felt bad, but I chocked it up to skill issue. I know people do well with it tho.

[plucky flax]

Found my reference in random reddit thread.

[strong gulch]

Depends. I'd put deflector on it for havocs.

Also matters if its paired with a staff or is the main weapon of a build

[plucky flax]

This is factual I've never seen a psyker do damage ever.

[strong gulch]

If you're gonna do precog, check to make sure you are actually hitting weakspots within the time limit. Otherwise it's useless.

[waxen jackal]

I'll play around with a few different blessings, see which one I like best

[visual phoenix]

This has never happened before and here it is again

[ripe obsidian]

What is LB?

[visual phoenix]

Surely we need another psyker buff

[plucky flax]

I think he meant left click.

Light spam.

[ripe obsidian]

I see.

[plucky flax]

Maybe I am not sure.

Is tru though arby so op psyker never do any damage.

[ripe obsidian]

I assume he plays Damnation and lower where there's no density for Psyker to blow up.

[plucky flax]

Me when I do 10% melee damage of the arby on the team.

As bubble knight.

[strong gulch]

Instead of a DoT, SB is now front loaded damage.

[waxen jackal]

Imagine what arby will be like when the fix all the broken skills lol

God tier

Hopefully the balance at the same time

[strong gulch]

gib DD targets like EO

[visual phoenix]

Eo?

[strong gulch]

execution order

[ripe obsidian]

What Old McDonald said. E e eo. Might've been another letter in there.

Sorry, that was my worst joke ever. I am going to sleep.

[strong gulch]

I should also go to sleep.

[plucky flax]

Good night sweet potato bean.

Now me hungry for some sweet potato.

[strong gulch]

But the day that a package I'm excited for is nearing. SO I'm a bit excitable.

[plucky flax]

In vietnam they eat whole steamed sweet potato.

It's kinda nice.

[strong gulch]

I don't like sweet potato, but I bet their vaireties are a little different. I would try it.

[ripe obsidian]

@plucky flax I saw a Psyker in H40 with this build. I want your reaction. Staff is Inferno w/ Run n Gun/Nexus.

[strong gulch]

I was watching a H40 run and this was in someone's party finder list.

[ripe obsidian]

Not the worst I have seen. Not good. But not the worst.

[strong gulch]

ok bed

[deft stump]

Vietnamese sweet potatoes are gud for price btw.

[visual phoenix]

Wat was the name of this psyker, tou remeber?

Something like Renuva?

[strong gulch]

I do not remember.

[strong gulch]

Horse code
Morse code

[waxen jackal]

After playing arby for a couple months, switching back to any other class is rough lol

[topaz lichen]

yyyup

[deft stump]

Is why I play vet and psyker inbetween.

[topaz lichen]

you're no longer TITLE CARD

[deft stump]

Can't get rusty.

[waxen jackal]

Are you sure

[deft stump]

Then play Arby like vet.

[topaz lichen]

...pretty sure

threw a poxhound into space...

[dull scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-nicholson-yes-nod-agree-gif-21960775

buff buff buff

[plucky flax]

Is op

Tbf DD marks behaviour need updated to be on par with EO.

Then bubble knight going to cook even more.

[waxen jackal]

Some weird stuff is going on in my game. It's not bringing the weapon I have equipped for some reason.

[dull scroll]

jokes aside, if you are just running an inferno with bubble, it's actually pretty easy to get out damaged by a good ogryn/arby that plays aggresive
there's this one arby on my list that out damages me half the time even when I run shriek
these other classes can afford to yolo down rooms without a care in the world where as your squash ass psyker have to make sure things are cleared and move strategically 😒

[topaz lichen]

psyker will top dps every time if they don't need to worry about their own safety

[deft stump]

@plucky flax ?

[plucky flax]

Wut why do you ping me?

[topaz lichen]

in normal games they'll usually be near the bottom because the average psyker ends up on the floor more than other clases

[deft stump]

VECT mentioned an arby on list that can outdamage them. I point at you.

[plucky flax]

I don't play US servers.

Psyker has no role please delete the class

[strong gulch]

If you swap builds too quickly before loading into a mission, sometimes the build is random.

[deft stump]

Amount of karks given, 0.

[dull scroll]

if he out damages me at 200 ping here I uninstall the game 😬

[strong gulch]

That's how I ended up with zarona revolver, with BB, and obscurus on H40. lol (actually 😭 )

[plucky flax]

Karien can outdamage anyone on 300 ping though.

[ripe obsidian]

It is frustrating to see an Arby or Ogryn just run in like a fucking lunatic and survive while I die if a poxwalker breathes on me. But it feels nice to be immortal even on H40 as Arby. The damage numbers are waaaaaay too close, though, for the difference in survivability

[plucky flax]

If you have a lot of rushing arbies and ogryn it's better to play bubble knight.

More mobility to keep up with them and damage race.

Faster than them to steal ammo too.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1398707424759910410/Desktop_2025.07.26_-_17.43.11.07.mp4?ex=6895808c&is=68942f0c&hm=a0af79c3185127c1c714d61a5047f5151e7a512c1b5ac32f576ebf9875c8ca25&

[hearty wolf]

Cleave!!

[plucky flax]

[plucky flax]

Shield arby is super comfy being alone tho with dawg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1402248959539544064/Desktop_2025.08.05_-_12.14.57.11.mp4?ex=689533dc&is=6893e25c&hm=b0b55095b3d3f5415767ee56f5c3ba6c4708bdcfc8b292023b44cc97e5285a6f&

Make all classes have fast stamina regen delay

[deft stump]

Fast sprint slide slab soontm?

[plucky flax]

Yeah make the pace of gaming faster so less 40+ mins grindfest

[ripe obsidian]

You are proving my point

[hearty wolf]

Just play Hab Dreyko

20m runs

The new maps are really refreshing for the havoc pool. Thank god for that

Got some more route optimisation to do

[topaz lichen]

4 down. Just need 25 more Vet games

[visual phoenix]

I mean how do you deal dmg with him

Stupid class

[plucky flax]

I think it's just impossible

[topaz lichen]

I know the info is useful to some people but I could not play with my game looking like this lol

[plucky flax]

Tru it's garbage

[topaz lichen]

Does CLEAVE mean overhead?

because that's not what comes to mind when i see "cleave" haha

[wind wind]

Sounds like a fun time

[severe folio]

whats the perk you want on the trauma and voidstrike staves ?

[hard widget]

What subnodes do I take on scriers gaze with assail and ep

[patent jacinth]

Precog and warp unbound

Scriers subnodes basically never change

Unless you want warp speed or endurance

[deft stump]

ZOOMZOOM NYOOM.

[hard widget]

and what loadout should I use

with scriers gaze, assail and ep

[patent jacinth]

Idk

Whatever

That’s just melee psyker minus DD

Run what you like, just make sure you aren’t carapace or unyielding deficient

[hard widget]

Im guessing voidblast staff aint good choice

but Il run ds4

[patent jacinth]

Ewww

Gross

[hard widget]

or...blaze force sword ig

but I dont wanna run recon las

[patent jacinth]

Then don’t run it

[hard widget]

so...deimos and vb staff

[patent jacinth]

Voidblast here is best for opening bulwarks or quick stagger, it doesn’t work well with right tree

[hard widget]

gun prob better

i guess its time to boot up good ol columnus vraks iag

[patent jacinth]

Voidstrike is the right tree staff if you want one

Bowling machine

[hard widget]

i dont have a good voidstrike staff yet

also voidstrike is the only staff that doesnt dump war res right

[patent jacinth]

Blast radius

It’s explosion is useless

[hard widget]

cool

do you take pc with assail and ep

[patent jacinth]

Whats pc

[hard widget]

perilous combustion

soulblaze

[patent jacinth]

I’m not great at psyker acronyms

[patent jacinth]

Yes

It’s PC

It’s always stupid good

[warm flare]

i understand pysker is meant to be fragile but

to think one small ranged enemy

ONE

is enough to destroy all your toughness in one 3 shots on aurics is fucking stupid

[patent jacinth]

Just crit more

[warm flare]

smite cant crit

[patent jacinth]

Ohh

You can burn then have fun getting shredded

[warm flare]

sybau 🥀

[patent jacinth]

Karmic reaction to playing smite

All shooters target you specifically

[warm flare]

whats wrong with smite

[patent jacinth]

Evil

Malicious

Turns the game off and ruins my frame rate

[warm flare]

first reason here

[patent jacinth]

Not fun to play with

[warm flare]

opinion

[patent jacinth]

And prevents dodge buffs from activating

[warm flare]

2nd opinion is also partly your own fault

[patent jacinth]

Also poor usage can degenerate a situation

[warm flare]

not my problem your pc sucks

actually no these are all just opinions

yeah dnc

[potent echo]

Cool

[patent jacinth]

It’s also just pretty poorly designed in the first place

Infinite cleave hard CC

Why did they do this

[warm flare]

idk

[uncut sinew]

assail goated

[warm flare]

i use assail too though

same situation

you get downed in 3 fucking hits in auric

[patent jacinth]

Just take those 3 hits with like 4 seconds between them

And you’re fine

[uncut sinew]

this is true

[potent echo]

Unless there's no one around you can farm toughness from

[warm flare]

point still stands

[deft stump]

Or just press block every so often.

[warm flare]

coherency toughness is the worst form of toughness regen in the game

also i dont mean melee enemies

i mean ranged enemies

[deft stump]

And take no damage on damnation.

[potent echo]

Ok not talking about coherency

Ranged enemies? They hit you?

[warm flare]

yes????

[potent echo]

Assail is specifically made to not let them hit you

Smite doesn't deal with ranged enemies

[warm flare]

its a bigger issue with smite than assail but yeah

my point in general here is i just think its lowk dumb how one enemy is enough to down all your toughness in one volley

[potent echo]

Game won't be hard if it didn't

[warm flare]

poor game design

[potent echo]

True

[patent jacinth]

How much toughness do you have

[potent echo]

That's why I only played it for 1500 hours

[warm flare]

i think like 170

170-180

same 3 screenshots my fault. they all basically have the same toughness and perks though

[potent echo]

Just dump all into health

[warm flare]

horrible idea

[potent echo]

Untrue

[warm flare]

toughness is your health in this game unless youre ogryn

[potent echo]

It lets you make like one more medium mistake before dying

[warm flare]

thats so vague im against trying

pysker takes massive health damage too

youre just redirecting your toughness into hp, which you dont regenerate

[potent echo]

That's why you take more

[warm flare]

the only case you use health curious is on ogryn iirc

[patent jacinth]

A full burst only does like a third of that at most

[potent echo]

Regen only helps you if you aren't already kissing the floor

And HP specifically helps against that

[deft stump]

.-. I dunno man, I run +3 stam x3.

[potent echo]

Carry has spoken

[uncut sinew]

end of discussion

[warm flare]

right a third

[potent echo]

Why is blud getting shot point blank

[patent jacinth]

Forgot how many bullets they shot

Thought it was 3

[potent echo]

These enemies have huge range dropoff

[patent jacinth]

Still

[warm flare]

a single volley

[patent jacinth]

It’s easy to avoid them

And they have big falloff

[deft stump]

Stares at block.

[patent jacinth]

Deflector is lame

[uncut sinew]

deflector is goated

[potent echo]

You don't need deflector but it definitely helps I guess

I wouldn't know

[deft stump]

When you need it and you don't have it, sad.

[uncut sinew]

works really well on havoc

[potent echo]

I play other classes who don't use deflector so it's just easier on my pea brain

[warm flare]

yeah ill pass

[deft stump]

I have both.

[warm flare]

anyway ill give you the doubt that yes they have huge dropoff

issue is

they LOVE to randomly spawn behind you

[deft stump]

Or all 3, if we count KD.

[warm flare]

for no fucking reason

[uncut sinew]

ah yes, gunker

lame

[deft stump]

300 ping shoo.

[warm flare]

"lame"

shit works better by leagues

my bad for wanting to be better for my team

[deft stump]

And fighting for ammo with the vet, oggy, arby and zealot.

[potent echo]

Nobody here thinks gunker is lame

Or I forgor there's deadvoid

He's not here now though

[warm flare]

yeah thats what assail is for

i use my gun for situationally needed situations

[patent jacinth]

Gunker is just melee psyker that takes tranquility in slaughter

[warm flare]

IE im getting blasted to shit by ranged enemies

[patent jacinth]

Wait what

Where they go

[deft stump]

Is Void though, he kinda just hates a lot.

[potent echo]

He's around sometimes

[warm flare]

you use crystalline will

can def tell 💔

[uncut sinew]

nuh uh

seerge assail main

love mi seerge <3

[hard widget]

What is dump Stat on greatsword

[patent jacinth]

Warp res

[weary idol]

you wish you were as cool as me

I can kill monstrosities

[uncut sinew]

i can kill a poxwalker

get on my level.

[weary idol]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-shock-gasp-what-da-hell-open-mouth-gif-10085839188243199944

[uncut sinew]

infact, i can even kill 2 at a time.

[hard widget]

anyone have good gun psyker build with assail

[uncut sinew]

@weary idol help him

you know the way of lame

[weary idol]

I am full of blueberry vodka at the moment

I will do my best

[uncut sinew]

based

i like it.

[deft stump]

Celerity but alcohol?

[weary idol]

Have you played gun psyker before?

[hard widget]

nope

[weary idol]

Or is this your first time trying right tree psyker

Okay

[hard widget]

i just need to do the penance for assail and dd/ep

[warm flare]

i gotchu

[hard widget]

and Im kinda bored of using the staves

[bright summit]

right tree psyker can be staff psyker too

[weary idol]

so the way I personally play gun psyker is like this

optimizing damage and movement speed to kill enemies and play hyper aggro to keep yourself alive

[warm flare]

why would you not take blitz nodes

that alone kills this build for me

[bright summit]

They are optional

[warm flare]

yeah nah

theres flaws n this build imo

not taking warp unbound is criminal

[bright summit]

Also both of you go right path on dd is interesting

Not needed with guns imo

[hard widget]

i have a similar gun one rn, but with ep instead of dd

[weary idol]

but you can also easily swap out a few things for more durability to make it less punishing to play

[warm flare]

try out mine, shit destroys hordes of anything that isnt a mauler or crushers

[weary idol]

yeah EP assail is funny with SG

blegh

alcoholism not good for brain

[bright summit]

Do you run this in havocs

[uncut sinew]

i use this with seerge and obscurus and i love it.

[warm flare]

if youre not gunna run warp unbound you should run EP instead of DD

[bright summit]

What's seerge

[uncut sinew]

elektrokinetic

[warm flare]

not bad but better pathways to avoid generating too much peril without sacrificing toughness gain

my build you dont even quell with

[weary idol]

I believe I have an assail spam build built like this

I'd have to log on to see exactly what it was but this is close enough

[weary idol]

no I run the one I posted previously

in havocs you are going to die in one hit regardless of the durability you pick on your skill tree

[bright summit]

Nobody takes one with the warp?

[weary idol]

so might as well just go unga bunga max damage/speed

[uncut sinew]

i quell with this constantly, to keep the extra dmg for longer and then assail dump at the end with warp unbound

[weary idol]

why exactly?

[patent jacinth]

Why are you taking empryic will on a melee build

[rancid jasper]

i dont understand ep on assail
it just seems to barely benefit compared to the other blitz's, but im sure im missing something

[warm flare]

youre gonna generate a shit ton of toughness using assail, unless thats your point, which if it is theres many improvements you can make

[patent jacinth]

And mind in motion over maelific momentum?

[uncut sinew]

points don't allow it

[weary idol]

there isn't really but EP is the meme keystone

[uncut sinew]

not a melee build

[hard widget]

im doing this for the assail and ep penance, with vraks iag and ds4 or deimos

[weary idol]

Assail EP can have up to...500% cleave I think?

[patent jacinth]

If it’s right tree it’s a melee build

[uncut sinew]

because of the amount of quelling i do, plus i only melee to block with deflector

[warm flare]

smite is a must for it, hardly

[weary idol]

On the assail shards

[uncut sinew]

not this one

[weary idol]

It's way funnier than smite

[patent jacinth]

That’s unfortunate

[warm flare]

^

[uncut sinew]

has served me well so far

[weary idol]

each assail shard can individually kill like 11 poxboys

[warm flare]

generally speaking

any decent assail build is gonna keep most of there peril

[uncut sinew]

love me horde clear blitz

so satisfying

[rancid jasper]

i like EP with bburst

[uncut sinew]

it do be funny

[warm flare]

burst needs ep

too

[warm flare]

smite also can clear hordes faster if built correctly

[bright summit]

Ah, I've been running something like this on havocs and it's nice

Hold on I can't send images

[uncut sinew]

yes, but it's smite

[bright summit]

Nooooo

[rancid jasper]

unless you're just taking it for the really good nodes under it or for KF.

[weary idol]

not really?

[patent jacinth]

*shriek

[weary idol]

gun psyker in general is gonna outpace smite to begin with

not that that's really a contest

[patent jacinth]

By miles

[warm flare]

exactly

[weary idol]

gun psyker has the literal fastest horde clear in the game

[bright summit]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f8a9d87-83d8-4177-ac6e-5e9f513a02b0/h40-surge-sciers-wc?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

It's here if you wanna take a look

[weary idol]

hard to compare to 7 seconds to wipe a horde no matter the density

[hard widget]

is recon las the best gun for gun psyker

mk12 im assuming

[weary idol]

I would say Vraks Infantry Auto is better, but recon las is easier to use

[warm flare]

ill have to find my comparison clips some time to show you

[hard widget]

im using vraks , im bored of using recon las

[patent jacinth]

What melee do you have

[uncut sinew]

ooooh, lmb build

[warm flare]

why

[hard widget]

I have deimos rn

[weary idol]

Vraks Infantry Auto is the highest dps ranged weapon in the game

[patent jacinth]

Because you have asssil your gun is a niche filler

[hard widget]

i have all the melee options except gs, no good gs yet

[weary idol]

and you can easily use Assail to compensate for its lack of range

[hard widget]

and yeah, im mostly spamming assail

[patent jacinth]

Pick something that fills any holes in your melee

[warm flare]

pretty sure accatran takes that spot bud

[uncut sinew]

try obscurus, really fun

[weary idol]

no honestly and it's not exactly close

[hard widget]

i have

[weary idol]

recon lasgun's dps is alright

it's not vraks autogun dps

[hard widget]

i just switched from obscurus to deimos

[warm flare]

shit choice

[uncut sinew]

ah

fair

[weary idol]

vraks autogun is like

[uncut sinew]

sounds like a skill issue

[patent jacinth]

Wrong

[warm flare]

obscurus is bad purely for it trying to fulfill 2 roles

[patent jacinth]

Better damage

[potent echo]

Recon is easier to use and has more damage over range (burn)

[weary idol]

you can one mag havoc 40 monstrosities with a bit of support from your team

[warm flare]

if you need a melee to fulfill 2 roles

youre doing something wrong

[potent echo]

Says.. you?

[bright summit]

Have a shriek one with same weapons that's super damage farm and also I've been testing dds with scriers as well

[weary idol]

https://imgur.com/a/7vqAa9G havoc 40 burgle

[hard widget]

although I must just swap of force sword and use mk4 ds

[uncut sinew]

meta slaves can't comprehend multiple choices of weaponry

[weary idol]

weakened burgle admittedly but 60K is the health of a plague ogryn on aurics

[warm flare]

im not a meta slave but okay

[patent jacinth]

(Weakened)

[potent echo]

Does this have raking

[weary idol]

yeah

[potent echo]

Understandable

[wind wind]

Teach me your secrets pls. Ive used assail on melee psyker before and it feels beyond underwhelming

[weary idol]

I switched to raking fire on my IAG for psyker since I literally only use it for boss damage

[warm flare]

needing to fulfill 2 roles with one weapon just seems like a poor build design

[uncut sinew]

lmb do be funny i must admit, gets boring after a while though

[weary idol]

convenient for when I can't hit the head of a monstrosity because it's on my teammate

[warm flare]

shriek is lowkey boring

[potent echo]

You could probably also stab it twice in the back with sword but yea that takes longer and is more risky

[weary idol]

or for obliterating burgles

[warm flare]

but good

[hard widget]

shriek is fun

[bright summit]

I m2 qq during warp inbound mostly so it's a lot of variety id say

[potent echo]

FGS like fills 3 roles

[uncut sinew]

it fulfills the melee weapon role and it has nice combos without needing to use the special, i love it

[warm flare]

i prefer scriers for fun honestly

[weary idol]

https://imgur.com/a/x8a8LuX it does okay frontally too

[potent echo]

It's a bad weapon guys

[bright summit]

Also havocs keeps me interested

[potent echo]

Pack it up!

[warm flare]

deimos and illisi are just better

[hard widget]

is that old columnus or vraks

[uncut sinew]

nice

[warm flare]

again fulfilling 2 roles with one is bad

[weary idol]

I wouldn't put illisi over obscurus

[uncut sinew]

same

[weary idol]

I kinda like obscurus a bit more than deimos these days

[warm flare]

run brainburst, run illsi, run smite/assail, run deimos

[weary idol]

but that's personal preference more than it being better

[uncut sinew]

illisi is good for hordes, but sucks on single target compared to obscurus or deimos

since i have horde clear, obscurus.

[weary idol]

old columnus is now called vraks

[hard widget]

is ep must have for smite

[weary idol]

yeah

[uncut sinew]

def helps

[bright summit]

Horde clear is fake on aurics if you think about it

[hard widget]

hm, then il do dd and assail, i can do the ep penance when i try smite

[warm flare]

deimos beats obscurus in single target and illisi beats obscurus in horde clear, again, run illsi for BB, and for smite/assail, run deimos

[weary idol]

makes it do adequate damage which is an upgrade from its normal Abysmal damage

Deimos kinda takes a lot more investment into melee damage to beat obscurus in single target

H1-L3-L4 combo is a lot less build dependent than getting Deimos to one shot

[warm flare]

let me test something here

[patent jacinth]

It’s also a lot harder to pull off

But it is faster

[weary idol]

yeah

exactly why I prefer it

I'm a gamer I like my complexity

[patent jacinth]

Camera seizure to hit a sick trick

Worth

[weary idol]

https://imgur.com/a/jJCvpCM

clip so old I don't have the UI mods

[patent jacinth]

I don’t have the aim to do stuff like that consistently

I play on like .15 sensitivity or something

[hard widget]

is souldrinker good

[patent jacinth]

Ehh

[weary idol]

no

[patent jacinth]

You could be taking the attack speed node or warp splitting

[hard widget]

I feel like I can skip it

[weary idol]

that is a correct feeling

[hard widget]

i did take both those, but i feel like If i skip souldrinker I can just grab one more plus 15 toughness

[warm flare]

yeah no

obscurus is just

bad

takes more hits using its combo to down a crusher vs deimos

[patent jacinth]

It does it faster

[warm flare]

and its horde clear is obviously worse than illisi

[bright summit]

It's a force sword it can't be bad

[uncut sinew]

or i just play obscurus and play better

[warm flare]

what do you run on your obscurus

[patent jacinth]

Idk

I haven’t played psyker in like a month

[warm flare]

yeah obscurus (or atleast how i build it) sucks then

[uncut sinew]

deflector and uncanny strike

[patent jacinth]

Executor

[uncut sinew]

do you know the one shot combo?

[warm flare]

H L L

[uncut sinew]

gooood

then idk why you call it bad because it performs welö in high havocs

[deft stump]

That's 3 shots?

[hard widget]

is cruel fortune good? its the bottom most node on the dd tree

[uncut sinew]

very

makes it really easy to keep full stacks

[warm flare]

i had 0 nodes being used to only have the sword itself apply here

[uncut sinew]

weird, i get those one shot combos constantly

[hard widget]

okay, this is my final build then, with vraks iag and deimos

that ought to be fine for the penances

[warm flare]

you critting with it?

[patent jacinth]

You’re missing the second headshot

[uncut sinew]

could be

[warm flare]

and you hit that how?

[patent jacinth]

Look up

[warm flare]

oh i see okay

still think deimos is better coming from experience with both

[patent jacinth]

It’s safer and easier

But a bit slower

[hard widget]

do you have to use the special on deimos

[warm flare]

dont

ever

[warm flare]

heavy spam for single target

[marble crater]

Only use the special, if you want to die

[warm flare]

well

[deft stump]

Only do it in lifts/airlocks to stroke your sword.

[warm flare]

its Light

then heavy spam

L1 repeat heavy

generally atp its down to preference

obscrus is faster though some people (like myself) are not tryna fucking flick my screen to hit the head

im still completely go for illisi being better at horde clear because i already know it is

[deft stump]

Just spam head level?

[hard widget]

maybe il just use mk4 duelling sword instead of deimos

its more mobile

and prob better into hordes

[uncut sinew]

mk5 duelling sword funny

loooong dodge

or was it mk2

either way, looooong dodge

especially with anticipation

[hard widget]

is anticipation good

i remember it was bugged once upon a time

and didnt give you one of the effects it was supposed to

[marble crater]

MK5 is the one with the crazy dodges, yes

[rancid jasper]

if you want an excuse to use it, gaining peril can be useful on a lot of builds ig

but theres a lot of other ways to do that

[hard widget]

nah

I gain peril fast enough

Im wondering if I even wanna dump warp res anymore

[warm flare]

you do

[rancid jasper]

bro mispelled do twice in a row

[uncut sinew]

love it.

[warm flare]

finesse increases cleave right

[rancid jasper]

doesn't "cleave" increase cleave??

[warm flare]

well

finesse increases multiple things iirc

im pretty sure cleave is one of them

[marble crater]

Finesse is weakspot and crit damage and attack speed I think

[warm flare]

okay

fuck

[rancid jasper]

this

[uncut sinew]

i think it's only weakspot and crit dmg

neva heard of it increasing attack speed

[marble crater]

That's finesse damage

[uncut sinew]

oh wait

lmao

yeah

mb

[hard widget]

assail is not good against cara right

[uncut sinew]

nope

[hard widget]

is it good against dreg ragers

[uncut sinew]

except it's decent to hit the body of a mauler and scab ragers

[proper osprey]

id get endurance and one with the warp

[hard widget]

which ones endurance

[upper sun]

keys are made to be dropped or used as weapons

[proper osprey]

node on gaze

[uncut sinew]

and opening doors

locks even

[upper sun]

https://tenor.com/view/jerry-meme-tom-and-jerry-meme-jerry-points-get-a-load-of-this-guy-this-guy-gif-11384860625931393733

[marble crater]

Eastern Europe mindset

[hard widget]

what do I drop though

[marble crater]

"Your keys" - clad

[hard widget]

id like one with the warp, its pretty good

[proper osprey]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e81f1c9-3b63-4dc3-809b-9aee0aef4d51/terrible-melee-psyker-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button this is how i would build it

[marble crater]

Don't, it's terrible

[proper osprey]

dosent that drop if you miss weakspot?

[hard widget]

[proper osprey]

its terrible

[warm flare]

obscurus or the blessings?

[proper osprey]

the blessing executor

[hard widget]

well

i see you aint taking soulblaze

[warm flare]

yeah but the point of obscurus is to hit weakspots

so essentially

dont miss

[proper osprey]

no need for melee psyker

[uncut sinew]

slaughterer more reliable

[warm flare]

was using executor for testing purposes

[proper osprey]

not even i have 100 weaksopt hit rate

[uncut sinew]

p sure no one does

if they do

they must have a good gaming chair

[proper osprey]

melee psyker with obsucus is so stupid

[uncut sinew]

but so fun

[proper osprey]

its very fun

its very op

[uncut sinew]

he said the thing

obscurus meta confirmed

[proper osprey]

melee psyker is the end game for psyker

its crazy

[uncut sinew]

brainburst build in h40 is the end game.

[proper osprey]

i did an ep bb in havoc

[uncut sinew]

niice

[proper osprey]

was very fun

[uncut sinew]

i can imagine

inb4 you get a horde of ragers on you

[proper osprey]

das why i use the inferno staff

[warm flare]

still think illisi is better for hordes 💔

[uncut sinew]

factual

but love mi obscurussy

[proper osprey]

that turns into a lawnmower lol

2 shotting crushers

one shotting everything else

[quartz barn]

Warp resist is too high

[warm flare]

also donnt like any melees that use heavy repeats for horde clear

given enemies just can stun you out of your animation and make you reset it

its annoying

[proper osprey]

thats why i use tac axe

[warm flare]

with the way hordes work (they try and circle you)

its just with how slow 90% of heavies are

aint fast enough to keep up constantly

i use light spam for heavy sword knowing its worse

[uncut sinew]

if you back yourself into a corner, the enemies cannot go around you

play smart, not hard

[opaque tree]

The devil sword parry spam is fun for hordes but don’t know if I’d take it into high end havoc just because I use the force sword like a crutch at the moment

With kinetic deflection and deflector and some block% on curios you can still hold your own against some stuff

[hard widget]

tac axe has what rotation for horde clear

for singles its light spam right

[potent echo]

Push attack into heavy for tac axe

I forgor which mark 🤤

[hard widget]

7

[potent echo]

Singles is crit fishing spam lights yea

[ornate hamlet]

What should i put on tac axe? Blessings wise

I just got decent one this morning

[warm flare]

Suddenly youre overun, and got nothing to backup to

[uncut sinew]

wall is sturdy, it always has your back

[radiant frigate]

headtaker brumentum

[ornate hamlet]

Ty 👍

[radiant frigate]

after aeons of obscurity, it's been made great at last

now the heretics TREMBLE before the first psyker sword

[marble crater]

Still no new arby cosmetics

[plucky flax]

Arby

[upper sun]

🚬 a lanyard with a heavy lump of various keys is a fully legal to own flail

[wind wind]

You'd be the type to need a weapon, with all the trolling you do

[marble crater]

Watch what you say, he will hit you with his flailyard

[wind wind]

He'll lose half the keys on it by the time he gets here

Besides, he wont make it through customs without being asked: "zuuu youu heve a liszense for zis"?

[upper sun]

not tru

theyre in a carabiner

[wind wind]

They wont let you in with that either

[mighty agate]

15%

[hearty wolf]

Unyielding crapace?

What is this technology

[mighty agate]

And what it should be, flak/crit?

[hearty wolf]

Oh I mean there's lots of different combos.
Flak crit is one of them. Can run flak manic or flak unyielding too.

It's just carapace which is the odd one

[celest quail]

congrats bro! Thats perfect! I gave up trying to get in the teens, I think mine is 26%

How many dockets did you drop haha

[mighty agate]

I mean, maybe my logic is bad but i saw that flames kill pretty fast almost everything and the only weakness were the bosses and carapace
So unyielding for extra dmg and help teamates
but dunno how works with armor

with tik dmg etc

[mighty agate]

https://tenor.com/view/lizard-lizard-lizard-lizard-lizard-lizard-gif-10190631004156312327

many haha

[wind wind]

Even within cara the diff is barely noticeable. Kill armor with melee

[wind wind]

I feel the pain reverberating in my soul

[celest quail]

the strat with crit is that you have more ticks or applications critting which would reduce the cooldown of your shriek/bubble and therefore increase your damage/peel (shriek) or cooldown (both). If you already have hit certain "breakpoints" of crit, you get diminishing/no returns on increasing it further but I do not remember what they are

[mighty agate]

Yea im killing armored ones with melee when theres one or two
but when it's whole group and someone hold them i thinks it's faster when i use purge staff and safer
But maybe investing carapace is a waste :/

[mighty agate]

Thanks 💜

[celest quail]

With that said, I flip flop between carapace/crit and carapace/unyielding. The argument is valid on both sides of that fence. If you have someone that specializes in blowing up bosses and is effective at that (hammer zealot, pickaxe ogryn) then you may find you dont have the boss uptime to make much benefit of unyielding.

[wind wind]

Depends on the situation. Id recommend kiting backwards around in circles, melee killing one enemy at a time when youre last one standing

[celest quail]

https://tenor.com/view/the-big-lebowski-big-lebowski-dude-the-dude-coens-gif-514445820688923157

Of course my dude!

[celest quail]

Sorry, meant to say Flak/Crit or Flak/Unyielding. I always get them switched up.

[fresh reef]

lol

[visual phoenix]

Flak crit prob best for havoc

You dont rly burn a lot of unyielding, most of them going to be dead from your oggy guy

[quartz barn]

Honestly understandable, especially if that person is running the same build as you

[celest quail]

Yeah that is my default on havoc. I will spin up max stacks on a boss if I see it doesnt get deleted by some zealot or ogryn immediately, just to contribute (and also because I have a phobia for chaos spawn/burgle) but otherwise I focus on horde clear so that my team mates can kill bigger targets for me. I only flip to unyielding/flak if I plan on doing several auric maelstrom or sefoni missions (cant remember what thats called atm)

[visual phoenix]

I kinda trying to skip bosses entirely) For its just "Kill stuff around and hold space for people who can deal with it much efficiently"

Times when i need to block bcuz i agro the boss and amount the stuff that just piled on my team is one of the things that got up killed

[icy breach]

Lemme tell you this; you are not a boss killer as purgatus psyker; if you get 2nd or Emperor forbid 1st boss dmg your team sucks at boss dps. As for carapace; it will affect only 1 enemy; crusher - not worth it. Stick to flak & crit chance

[icy breach]

And Emperor forbid you take Kinetic Flayer for purgatus; do not take it - you will kill someone/yourself with it eventually

[glacial vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/rocky-iv-dolph-lundgren-captain-ivan-drago-if-he-dies-he-dies-dies-gif-4956349

[icy breach]

Good thinking; you act much smarter than an average purgatus psyker

[celest quail]

you know, you raise a fair point here to be honest. The amount of times I have pulled aggro and gotten nuked by a chaos spawn or burgle/captain due to "contributing" to help out is uh..... not zero. I might should just ignore them entirely from here out.

[icy breach]

Giggles aside tho; do not take it - it can end games

[celest quail]

I do run flak and crit, I just get flak and carapace mixed in my head pretty often.

[glacial vapor]

I don't even run BB when I take my flame staff out

Assail + SG enjoyers rise up

[icy breach]

No psykinetic aura

[pale prairie]

You’re saying no KF because it might proc on boss and draw aggro?

[icy breach]

I hope they change that

[celest quail]

I try to play logically. however @visual phoenix raises a fair point about pulling agro and getting myself killed. If i am down, there is that much longer the team doesnt have bubble or shriek (whichever i am running) to provide that dmg or utility, and that often contributes to a wipe.

[glacial vapor]

Sacrifices must be made

[icy breach]

No; poxbursters

[mighty agate]

Thanks guys for advices
I like to understand things and be better psyker

[glacial vapor]

It can trigger daemonhosts but so can soulblaze anyway lol

[pale prairie]

Interesting. I haven’t had that happen yet but that does sound annoying

[icy breach]

If a single boss focuses you and you die to it its a skill issue; even without kinetic deflection you can fair well vs a boss in terms of surviving

[icy breach]

It happened plenty of times to me… lost games due to it

[upper sun]

@plucky flax u need to step up your html game

[celest quail]

No the argument for KF and getting people killed on bursters is extremely valid. it also has a 15 second internal cooldown if I remember correctly, the point is better spent elsewhere, especially in high havoc where you could have WAVES of poxbursters flooding in, and if you are torching them to push them back and blow one up on someone, that could be the start of a wipe or the end of one.

[visual phoenix]

Isnt crusher takes carapace dmg and not unyielding? It helps on bosses, bulwarks and reapers. I use crit unyielding on aurics :)

[celest quail]

lol its never the single boss that worries me about survival, deflection makes you pretty hard to kill and i run force sword for repositioning purposes, so i can block for a long ass time, its when you have a boss and go block mode, but then also get surrounded by chaff or crushers or maniacs on havoc

RIP

[pale prairie]

You heard the guy that’s a skill issue /s

[celest quail]

Im not saying youre wrong lol

im terrible at clutching

[pale prairie]

I am completely joking

Havoc 40 is the mode of “Occasional unwinnable scenario”

At least without a premade team

[celest quail]

lol im being so serious though. I often struggle with positioning and "survival mode". Im bad at clutching. that could be just due to running with uncoordinated/unskilled randoms though. I am only now starting to use this discord to put together teams that communicate. and would you know, having more success too.

upper havoc, especially mine with frequent red/purple mods is FREQUENTLY a no win scenario in my experience

[visual phoenix]

Its more of a simple target priority and enemy distribution. For same reason you not focusing lets say mutants, since there is some guy behind you, probably running with you bcuz he needs psy aura procs, like zealot. Same goes with crushers, going for uncanny strikes is fine yet there is probably hordes around or behind those packs of crushers

Its rly better to just hold space, that way you can kill or control 70% stuff on the map. I assure rest could be covered by your teammates, sometimes its not. It is what it is

[celest quail]

its to the point i actually the occasional heinous ritual when i get it

[visual phoenix]

Less thinking more m1 m2
Its not that complicated

[plucky flax]

Wut

[upper sun]

make no bigger

for better spam

[celest quail]

I agree with this. Coming from a previous hardcore wow raid progression background, I often find that the reason a havoc group is unsuccessful is due to lack of good target priority.

[upper sun]

not that big but like 1-2 sizes bigger

so it hurts ocd havers subtly

[marble crater]

Why are you like this?

[visual phoenix]

Even in wow you have x amount of ppl that cleave and x that doing single target dps, no reason to mash then

[icy breach]

I can teach you

[pale prairie]

Which is extremely important when you can have upwards of 3 monstrosities at a time. If your squad is attacking two different ones while you tank the third it’s gonna be a bad time

[upper sun]

comissar made me say the litany of hate 40k times

[marble crater]

I don't know what that means

[icy breach]

Yes;
Carapace is only Crusher
Unyielding is Bosses, Bulwarks & Reapers

[pale prairie]

Huh games lantern might be lying to people then cause when you filter by carapace it lists:

bulwark, crusher, mauler, twins, reaper, and scab rager

[deft stump]

I think he hates Dukane hard.

[icy breach]

Cause in general these enemies have carapace elements

[deft stump]

They all have cara, even if tiny.

[pale prairie]

Don’t they have areas on their hitbox that are carapace?

[icy breach]

But DoT dmg is tied to the core body of an enemy

[marble crater]

He hates almost everyone

[visual phoenix]

They do have mixed armour types. Like mauler have carapace head and flak body

[deft stump]

True...

[celest quail]

no i have no problem with that, its when they are doing cleave to all the stuff except the most dangerous ones, IE: Rinda, or daemonhost

[celest quail]

This is also important though, not splitting dmg when you have 3 equally high threat bosses or whatever

[visual phoenix]

Thats why we bring chorus zealot and taunt ogryn
Game still have some teamplay stuff

[pale prairie]

Exactly

[icy breach]

Ofc;
Crusher is all carapace
Mauler has head
Scab rager has torso
Bulwark has his club hand pauldron and armguard
Reaper has right pauldron & gauntlets
Twins have head

[pale prairie]

So does scab rager count as carapace for dots?

[celest quail]

lol this is why i flip flop to my taunt ogryn on half of my havoc games if we cant find one.

[icy breach]

No; its the only thing that is not carapace shared

[rancid jasper]

what is the best single target/anti-carapace combo for bgs? i know the heavy 2 thrust is great against armour but it seems kinda hard to get to without wasting time
is it just heavy spam?

[pale prairie]

Damn despite body being carapace? That’s interesting

[icy breach]

Rest is; no cleave, dmg type when you hit/shoot them, stagger breakpoints ect.

[icy breach]

Otherwise they would survive in a mixed horde woudn’t they againts purgatus… but they don’t

[visual phoenix]

Try finding yourself a cool chorus zealot. With amount of gunners there is and how much cdr comes with it, insane thing. We tryed duo with this setup in h40, im just not sure if its the best

I probably saty with psyker / ogryn setup

[pale prairie]

I love playing support tauntgryn. Maybe it’s cause it feels so satisfying to deny enemies the squishies. Bulwark roleplay

[pale prairie]

Best I can give you is an arbites with a dog

[icy breach]

Their DoT receiving body despite listing as carapace does similar dmg as it would be flak

[pale prairie]

Huh

[visual phoenix]

I cant do anything with him :(
No ability to spam. Boss dmg is cool, yet sometimes you lack of hard cc from chorus

[celest quail]

My best friend i usually play with has historically always played chorus (once chorus was introduced) and it is super handy, but he doesnt play at the level of havoc 20+ let alone 30-40 and NOW he is convinced that his arbites is far better and more useful. Im not dogging arbites (pun intended) but IMO I would rather have the zealot chorus with a taunt ogryn if im running purg. Whoever fills after that is added bonus whether it be vet or arbites or another zealot etc

[visual phoenix]

I like him as a wild card slot for h40 team comp
But my general is vent psyker, chorus zealot, taunt ogryn

[celest quail]

and with the vast majority of zealot players having migrated to arbites (thats how it feels anyways), a good chorus zealot is kind of hard for me to find these days

[visual phoenix]

If you playing on eu i can play with it time to time

[pale prairie]

Agreed

[celest quail]

this would be my ideal setup as well, I dont particularly care for bubble

[celest quail]

Ah, im nasa im afraid, I would love to play with the EU crowd but ping in this game can be brutal

[visual phoenix]

Il try nonetheless. I dont need to play well on zealot anyways)

[pale prairie]

Just play through it like @deft stump be elite

[celest quail]

lol that is also fair. Ill add you on here and reach out whenever I do go to play if I see you online. Im at work right now goofing off, my typical gaming hours wouldnt start for another 7-8 hours most nights outside of weekend

[visual phoenix]

[pale prairie]

Is it just me or is this game more popular in EU? Just feels like I see more of people from there on the discord

[loud girder]

it has a bigger playerbase in EU ye

[mighty agate]

EU is like warhammer 10k
So yeah, bigger playerbase

[visual phoenix]

EU are more racists

[mighty agate]

It's not racist if i hate everyone equally

[deft stump]

Wait wot.

[radiant frigate]

obviously, because we invented it

[celest quail]

well, warhammer is an EU based IP so

[hearty wolf]

Playing Arb in a way that feels more useful to you means the Arb has to become a baby sitter

Which is what they should be doing

They press W but some Arbs can't let go

The end of the mission has this gravitational pull on them

[pale prairie]

We were discussing playing with EU folks despite the Ping

[deft stump]

Oh, I mean I play US E if ppl want that as well, 400 ping is okay if stable... maybe. Trappers are still bs though.

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/superstore-amy-sosa-i-gotta-be-honest-that-sounds-awful-sounds-awful-gif-23747067

[radiant frigate]

W key taped down because we don't take Ls

😤

[loud girder]

tbh that's just how u frontline in dorktide

on arb ogryn and zealot u just push

issue is people dont stop pushing

[pale prairie]

Is it the Zealots reclassed into arbies?

[radiant frigate]

you guys let go of w sometimes?

[hearty wolf]

The airlocks have some kind of weight limit, need to weight for fattygryn to get through 😭

[pale prairie]

So just outrun the horde from behind?

[deft stump]

As long as the team is decent, is fine... trying to clutch is like... throw a d100.

[loud girder]

just stick with the team

[pale prairie]

But if everyone is facing forward with W pressed down….

[pale prairie]

True I don’t see those stat screenshots posted

[loud girder]

doing it as a unit is not too bad

[pale prairie]

Try 2d100s take the lower

[loud girder]

it only becomes an issue when people split off

[radiant frigate]

what roll is considered success

[pale prairie]

Yeah what you are saying works well in the ideal but execution is tough when people refuse to look behind

[deft stump]

90+ on dice.

[radiant frigate]

with disadvantage?

[deft stump]

The ping is a disadvantage.

[pale prairie]

Yeah results of carrier pigeon package loss

[radiant frigate]

extremely roundabout way of saying you need to roll a 100

[pale prairie]

Nah OR a 90

Really you need to roll two 90s

[radiant frigate]

yeah but 100 straight roll is as likely as 90+ with disadvantage

[pale prairie]

But it can happen. I have seen two natural twenties at disadvantage

[radiant frigate]

me too

i have also seen two nat 1s with advantage

[pale prairie]

Is it??? I don’t think so

[deft stump]

My DM used to joke if I rolled 1 20, he would let it succeed.

[radiant frigate]

technically 91+ would be the same chance

10% of 10%

[deft stump]

I rarely roll 20s.

[radiant frigate]

AKA 1%

AKA roll a 100

[pale prairie]

But you have to do it twice

[trail panther]

is the dump stat on the power sword mobility? (vet channel dead as hell)

[radiant frigate]

yes but the chance of a successful outcome is the same

[radiant frigate]

cleave targets

[trail panther]

oh ok thanks

[radiant frigate]

yw

[trail panther]

I was thinking it was either mobility or that

[radiant frigate]

this one time i also saw a triple 20 when playing wotr

[pale prairie]

I have a player in my game who is using halfling so that he can reroll 1s. He gets a lot of them. Literally 3 in a row once

[radiant frigate]

it was not devastating but it was extremely unexpected

[pale prairie]

Ahhhhh “roll to confirm”

[radiant frigate]

observe

i was like "wot"

[pale prairie]

Lmao

I fucking do not like roll to confirm

[radiant frigate]

1 in 8000 chance

i think it ok

[pale prairie]

I am always so suspicious of video game RNG. Sometimes it just wants to get you

[radiant frigate]

crit confirmation but also weapons with extended threat range

i think it evens out

plus some autoconfirm mechanics

[pale prairie]

Yeah I get people like it but it slows down play for a roll that could just be considered a success. There’s so many other rolls to do already

But some people like the extra click clack math rocks

I GM so I am constantly watching the clock so we can get back to story progression and I am already rolling multiple enemies with multi attacks.

[radiant frigate]

i think it's okay to have it here too because getting a crit makes that strike The World Ender

unlike 5e where a crit us pretty whatever outside of smite or sneak attack

[deft stump]

My DM joked if I roll a double 1, he would let it succeed. >_>

[pale prairie]

I don’t double dice I add the maximum possible from the attack

To try to mitigate that problem

[deft stump]

Or even a 20 on a disadvantage.

[pale prairie]

Man I think you are being messed with

[radiant frigate]

now that's what i call critical

[radiant frigate]

no i think it makes perfect sense

[pale prairie]

Yeaaaaaaa 70 damage smite? Okay well my goristro just did 90 on his crit

[radiant frigate]

you just critically fumble your way to great success

[deft stump]

I missed everything and did 127 damage.

[radiant frigate]

imagine you fail so utterly that you, on pure accident, hit a weakspot you didn't even know existed

absolutely annihilate the target

and then flop over

[pale prairie]

Damn I would have loved to narrate that.

The boss trips and falls onto your sword with his eyeball

Jesus

[deft stump]

Is more, I went so in to doing my Cha+Cha even on misses plus more damage if I damaged something.

[pale prairie]

“I was aiming for his leg. Didn’t mean to shoot him in the head”

[pale prairie]

What a unique solution to absolutely shitty luck

[radiant frigate]

your arrow glances off the armor and your shot angle sucked so badly that it splits into shrapnel which then went through a gap on the underside of the helmet and straight into the brain

[pale prairie]

“You killed him but also threw out your back. Roll con saves”

[radiant frigate]

instant fucking death

also, bits of arrow rain down on the party, roll dex saves everyone

[deft stump]

So is (8xCha+Cha)+(1d10+Cha+Cha).

[pale prairie]

You hit his breastplate and the arrow deflects. Fortunately for you Bob didn’t wear his gorget today and it slides right up into his neck and through his brain

[radiant frigate]

Yes

[deft stump]

And yes, I just assume I rolled a 1 to damage.

On that 1d10.

[pale prairie]

Wait is that times??? Multiplication

[deft stump]

Multiple hits.

[pale prairie]

Ahhhh

This pathfinder?

[deft stump]

5e.

[pale prairie]

Is that 8 attacks?

[deft stump]

8 hits. Like how you roll 4 hits for Eldritch blast.

[pale prairie]

Course Bob was also using a wand of fireballs so everybody roll dex saves

[pale prairie]

Wow EB doesn’t need this much buffing hahaha

[gray juniper]

You guys talking about dungeons and dragons? 🤓

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-art-thou-feeling-irish-gif-9627520

[deft stump]

Is more, I can double any spell... and wait a sec... I get another blast from armour... that's another 14 damage.

You know is funny when the DM asks you outright in an arena fight, lethal or non-lethal.

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-pepe-think-pepe-the-frog-wojak-gif-13571840648507225174

[deft stump]

I found out after I would have killed the guy 5x over.

[shut pier]

Pathfinder got me with a death grip I enjoy it too much.

[pale prairie]

That’s the thing. I always rule that unless your in melee it’s always lethal baby

[pale prairie]

The second edition really was a breath of life into it

[pale prairie]

I would say so

[deft stump]

I said non-lethal though.