psyker-class

[wind wind]

Dont threaten me with a good time 😅🫠🤣

[gray juniper]

Lmao what is a glitch tide?

I’m racist against rumbler ogryns

[woeful sigil]

noclipping dog, being 1 shot by a crusher despite dodging it, getting sniped or trappered with no audio queue, etc

my personal favorite is failing to dodge a mutant cause you get caught on a pebble on the ground

[deft stump]

The crusher thing is ping. Diff between client and server tbh.

Also, the overhead alone has an AoE that can clip.

[woeful sigil]

theres a very specific thing a mutant can do when you're around the side of a wall, where they can instantly turn 90 degrees upon entering a room as well

[gray juniper]

Oh I see. Yea this is all the time. Very very sorry for being cloud cucked and asking to play with you all 😇

[woeful sigil]

no more dark tide until it stops being 30+ degrees outside for me, my compooper is getting so hot its freezing

[gray juniper]

Yes I’ve seen that because I failed to get a killshot off and dreadfully watched it grab someone else

[woeful sigil]

also does anyone know why gunners can just track you despite dodging in havoc

I'm trying to find a way to counter that

but most people just say to stack gunner res on curios

theres gotta be a better way

[gray juniper]

I’m watching and hope so too

[ripe obsidian]

Get behind cover, mostly.

Or on Psyker, Deflector + KD

Dodge-slide, sprint perpendicular to them

Lots of options. But getting caught out by gunners is usually death, so gunner resist has value

[paper oriole]

Mutant grabbed me, ran with me near a flamer - he started kicking like a madman and almost killed me xD
It was more dps then fire damage 😆

[dull scroll]

when you dodge or slide you dodge gun fire during those frames, but once the frame ends you better be behind cover or be keep on dodging

the best thing psyker have for this is deflector on force swords

or bubble

[calm sapphire]

bubble goated on havoc tho it gets boring

[pale prairie]

Empathic evasion sure helps

[wooden sand]

Shoot at them back to make them start to miss their fire

Which us something everyone forgets

[weary idol]

https://fximgur.com/a/sZNJZWG just tell them their bullets aren't allowed

[dull scroll]

you madman is this in h40?

[weary idol]

I think that particular game was 36

I do have clips from h40 tho

like the clip of me killing a burgle with vraks autogun is a havoc 40 burgle

[wind wind]

Recently when i press the revive or unnet button, halfway across the animation, the game sputters and stutters, and the animation resets, costing me additional time. Sometimes multiple times, despite my finger being throughly pressed on the E button

[weary idol]

https://fximgur.com/a/7vqAa9G this one

[wind wind]

I did play one game as one earlier this day. It was fun

But it needs to be nerfed

[deft stump]

This is normal with high ping. Rezzing is pretty annoying.

[gray juniper]

It’s just the dependence and overt kill poaching (while screwing others) that kills me about it. I don’t enjoy getting shot by further enemies they ignored to poach what I’m already handling or leaving me in the open for the same reasons

[wind wind]

Huh. I am in Europe. Play on european servers. Still high ping lmao

[gray juniper]

This is really annoying about arbite long gunners too. You have all that health. Don’t just stand in the back my guy

[deft stump]

I dunno. EU servers RANGE. Goes from smooth but delay to what the fuck why is everything teleporting and blinking around.

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/waow-based-wow-thinking-doodle-gif-12262272166408784207

[wind wind]

I am actually running the melee playstyle of this build. I run into am enemy crowd. I shoot 1-3 shells around me on the ground. I dodge out of that, run to the next group, repeat, and use my melee in between.

But i dont fire where my teammates are. Waste of ammo. Theyll kill it already. Unless its the psyker struggeling in the melee with the 3-12 ragers. Then its bombs away

[wind wind]

Yeah, pretty much. Lately i musthave drawn quite a few of the short straws. Servers were a laggy mess

[deft stump]

And well, I expect the delay... Not the everything is teleporting and popping anywhere.

[wind wind]

Ive recently experienced mass disconnects from teammates. Had one assasination mission where at the boss fight in the end, when the boss had only a little health left, all 3 of my teammates disconnected and i had to struggle for survival until they came back

They came back just in time right when i was downed

We did win in the end but oh boy was that a close one

[gray juniper]

I’ve been playing hammer zealot today and it’s become common over just a few games that I’ll kill one crusher/mauler in a pack then have shooters besides me put damage on while rumbler ogryn shot his bomb by my feet after I got there. It doesn’t make a lot of sense

[deft stump]

This happens on every server. Fatshark clearly failed to pay for the servers before going on holiday.

[wind wind]

Probably

[nocturne dust]

Psyker pulling out dclaw:

https://tenor.com/view/scout-tf2-evaporation-evaporate-evaporated-team-fortress-2-gif-3601728232153696258

[wind wind]

We'll make due

[wind wind]

Until he runs outta stamina/gets over 100 peril

[nocturne dust]

Imagine needing stamina

Sincerely, Kinetic Deflection

[deft stump]

True. Just sucks when everyone gets DCed right at the end of an auric mael.

[wind wind]

Jup. What what can we do 🤷🏻🚬💀

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/suffering-spinning-duck-fins-gif-17216927

[wind wind]

Yeah, imagine needing to breathe and move... What losers am i right ?

[nocturne dust]

If you have time to breathe you have time to kill

[deft stump]

Anger?

[wind wind]

Martyrdom is the seed of the Imperium or smthg smthg

[wind wind]

Apathy at that point... Fitting for a nurgle Game lmao

[pale prairie]

“Go and shield me with your body, Liability. It is the will of the LEX”

[wind wind]

Yeah, dunno what it is either

Since i have adheasive Charge, carapace DMG and the brittleness blessing, i help out with crusher bundles of there are too many, but other than that i dont steal kills

[gray juniper]

Since the event update a lot have turned into ranged primary HOES

[nocturne dust]

I haven't even touched the event

No time to play 😭

[wind wind]

Disgusting visuals. Funny idea. Iike it. Wouldnt object to this being a regular auric damnation modifier

[gray juniper]

I don’t even have a problem with that as much as people trying to focus on what one player is already taking care of while more threat/problems is nearby, especially if it’s focused on the same player and they’re taking no enemy aggro

[paper oriole]

Rumble ogryns are 50/50 split into people trying be to a protagonist or being a helper for the team :/

[gray juniper]

This is true. The protagonist type have permanently made me leave matches if I see it at all

[hearty wolf]

Make time

[pale prairie]

Lmao I don’t know what you’re talking about man…. (Chilling in Lowest difficulty leveling my level 7 Ogryn)

Did you know you’re locked into those difficulties until you “prove yourself”? Man it is slow

[gray juniper]

Your kids? They’ll be around for a lifetime. The Darktide won’t

[wind wind]

Yeah. Like when the entire team is beating up on the 3 bulwarks yet FUCKING NOONE takes care of the 3 poxbombers that just spawned at the end of the map and then the entire team ends up like the russians at osowiecsz

[gray juniper]

Wait until you take your class on higher difficulty. Some people are starting to adjust it looks like and getting brave enough to melee again but not everyone

[wind wind]

I had a crisis of faith once i realized i had to get better at melee to make the jump from heresy to damnation and later auric. hated it at first but fell in love with it later

Melee prowess is an aquired taste. But utterly inescapeable

[pale prairie]

Yeah I’ve seen plenty of what you talk about on auric maelstroms it’s a definite problem

[deft stump]

You sus.

[wind wind]

Just dead inside

[nocturne dust]

I yam

[gray juniper]

It’s one of the things that elevates this game above many other of similar genre

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/yam-gif-5237400

[gray juniper]

Your job? No job is that important. There’s only the Tide

[deft stump]

Too much ping at times unless you wanna gamble on it. I have tried and lost 150 hp having to facetank due to the servers refusing to accept 8 pushes.

[wind wind]

Well, cant speak to that. Before darktide, i played Sims 2, the Stronghold series, the anno series and the Testdrive series aswell as the FIFA series and the lego star wars sage/the Clone wars saga. As you can deduct, Darktide was, at the tender age of 25, my first shooter ever. I had no skills and no frame of reference.

[deft stump]

The was from before. I play games to feel better.

[wind wind]

I feel nothing 9/10 in my life 🤷🏻

[wind wind]

If started to think twice before i rescue someone. Died too many times because of laggtide

[deft stump]

I still just try anyway. Things are less bs with inf shock mines.

[wind wind]

I tried as psyker today and nearly cried

[deft stump]

Ah. I just got tired with the servers and just played arby. Half my shots get ignored on vet so eh.

[wind wind]

Understandable

[deft stump]

At least Arby can chain stagger if no damage.

When you shot a trapper 7 times and she isn't dead... yeah...

[wind wind]

I am calling it now, arbites was made so powerful as to account for the Infamous dt lagg. Was easier to make im op than fix the fucking servers

[wind wind]

Homeopathic bullets 💀🚬

[fiery stratus]

Why fix server when make new class

https://tenor.com/view/sad-gif-9378898688473864151

[warm glade]

Dunno, I feel like I have more winrate the lower the amount of arbites in team

and if none even more

[weary idol]

yeah because the class is lauded as "op" so all the idiot zealot players are now idiot arbites players

(the class is not capable of making up for them being bad)

[polar crypt]

is this the god sword...

[weary idol]

well someone stuck deflector on it

so no

[polar crypt]

yeah that guy's an idiot

the stats though

[weary idol]

it is the god sword

[gray juniper]

That’s too funny. Like cold water on your face

[warm glade]

I have the rending on weakspot hit on it

[jovial juniper]

Greatsword doesn't have that

Force Sword does though

[pale prairie]

sigh I’ve spent millions gambling and I can’t find something like this haha

[spiral storm]

I wish gunker had some minor free ammo talents

some % chance for your gun to shoot a magic warp bullet that bunches through carapace but uses some amount of peril based on mag size

[potent echo]

Warp bullet

[spiral storm]

si

very normal thing

[pearl viper]

inferno staff dump stat?

[sturdy reef]

warp res

[pearl viper]

thanks

[ripe obsidian]

Press special attack, instantly die from perilsplosion

[deft stump]

2 Psykers in a team, people keep leaving lul.

[potent echo]

Siblings unite

[deft stump]

Naw. I'm memeing lower diffs with someone. Made another forcesword so I can just deimos with deflector and uncanny.

[candid temple]

smykers?

[woeful sigil]

its actually not too bad if you have empowered assail, the time it takes to use your 0 peril charges your peril comes down enough to land a charged strike and get it back up to 100 for max damage

and it usually only comes down enough if you continually get empowered charges which kind of owns

[deft stump]

Naw. I play my Assailer. Friend runs bog standard vent hedpop burga

[candid temple]

maybe they're just worried that one or both are smykers

[potent echo]

Carryien...

[deft stump]

It would be obvious since I throw shards so much.

[pale prairie]

probably just intimidated

[deft stump]

I do nawt carry.

[pale prairie]

yeah they just help out someone new to the game by helping them survive levels thanks to their experience

[deft stump]

Also, how many smykers in malice can actually use deimos?

[pale prairie]

My ogryn is stuck in uprising for one more mission lmao

[pale prairie]

pffff they can equip it though. I don't think most people on that difficulty can really spare time to watch if the spyker is kicking ass with a specific force sword

[deft stump]

I mean stab things to death with it.

[pale prairie]

its all the same to the veteran, arbie, ogryn, zealot

[pale prairie]

"huh a weird glowing Dueling sword"

[deft stump]

That blocks guns.

[pale prairie]

I didn’t say they were smart

[deft stump]

Also, don't smykers just smyke EVERYTHING?

[plucky flax]

Karien carries.

[deft stump]

I do NAWT.

[pale prairie]

True dat you are being slandered and it’s not even factual

We need someone to record footage of Karien clutching a run

[deft stump]

Nu. Rejected. I do it by accident while panicking and eating sniper shots with true grit trying to make way way down to pick ppl up with 26 shots on my bistol.

[pale prairie]

Your Honor I would like to present Exhibit A. The accused admits that they have clutched a run.

https://tenor.com/view/phoenix-wright-objection-gif-13083065649954242952

[deft stump]

Ppl can lie... Though if Licht and Larken was on... >_>

[pale prairie]

Mhmmmmm

[deft stump]

Shush.

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/hero-youre-my-god-damn-hero-mvp-youre-my-mvp-the-real-mvp-gif-16598354

[deft stump]

Am not.

[radiant frigate]

not beating the carryin' allegations

[pale prairie]

😏 that’s what a hero would say

ANYWAY

some of this gun psyker footage is nutty

[plucky flax]

Gun psyker? Heresy

[deft stump]

I am being honest.

[plucky flax]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1399804044154896436/image.png?ex=688a549b&is=6889031b&hm=4c6c1f396cbd5a6cebefc0a3aa1357d685601190aeb32d7956de342f58029de0&

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/harry-potter-guns-gif-18771749

[pale prairie]

Now see @radiant frigate THATS heresy

[candid temple]

I am disgusted by gunpsykery.

It is unnatural.

Or well, if it was more about conjuring up warp bullets to shoot from a force pistol, then I'd be more for it.

but if I wanted to shoot things with lasers or bullets, I'd play a vet or something.

[plucky flax]

Yeah but psyker has fgs

[candid temple]

Gunpsyker is obligated to use a DS though.

Since meta-sweat.

[sturdy reef]

DS is old news

[plucky flax]

Fgs much more horde clear

Slightly less single target and worse mobility

[deft stump]

I made a Deimos to avoid DS...

[sturdy reef]

join the obscurus cult

[candid temple]

You're an assailer anyway?

[deft stump]

Rejected.

[patent jacinth]

Obscurus and Deimos both deal better damage, DS is just safer

[plucky flax]

Can't be a bubble knight without big sword.

[deft stump]

Yes, and?

[vestal trench]

there are two psykers

goon psyker and shaft psyker

[restive slate]

I use GFS with my Gunpsyker tho

[vestal trench]

i mean goon psyker and shaft psyker

guys why is it doing that

[restive slate]

You tend to repeat things you like accidentally

[plucky flax]

Goon is good

[deft stump]

Also, that means vent ep.

[candid temple]

So you're not a gunpsyker and thus not obligated by the meta-sweat treaty to use DS.

[plucky flax]

You have outdated info

Fgs is much better for melee/gun now cos the special is op

[deft stump]

Also, I have burga. What is long range?

[weary idol]

tbh meta sweat weapon for gun psyker is force greatsword and by miles

I don't think dueling sword can really keep up with it in my experience

[ornate hamlet]

Anyone know how to get the cliffhanger penace?

[strong gulch]

Check pins for tips. If you are still having issues, then a private match will help.

2nd pin

[plucky flax]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1398707424759910410/Desktop_2025.07.26_-_17.43.11.07.mp4?ex=688af48c&is=6889a30c&hm=fc26e53635f7a442ff3b73af6b88a142090a24ddf8b16a4570ccad2212fd4713&

[deft stump]

I got back on PC and WTF is this?

[plucky flax]

What do you think?

[deft stump]

I have a feeling that's someone from PsykerGaslight mains trolling.

[plucky flax]

You're tripping

[deft stump]

@paper oriole

[deft stump]

Am nawt. I'm pretty sure is him trolling.

[weary idol]

https://tenor.com/GMZ4Sao60j.gif

[plucky flax]

wat

Wtf are oyu on about

[ionic sorrel]

What even got you?

[plucky flax]

THE WARP

[ionic sorrel]

Damn, the warp scary.

[sturdy reef]

a poxwalker with no backstab cue

unfortunate

and far too common

[plucky flax]

It's not me btw I found unsanctioned footage.

He plays on extreme hard mode 1 touch = instant death

[weary idol]

it was a red crusher

you can see them walking through the horde at the start aggroed on someone else

and they changed aggro mid overhead so it didn't play the audio queue for being attacked from behind xd

good game design

[plucky flax]

[weary idol]

you can also hear the sound of them doing their overhead moments before the psyker's demise

[sturdy reef]

I couldnt hear it over the music the first time

I hear it now

[plucky flax]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1398697781488517292/image.png?ex=688aeb91&is=68899a11&hm=46da0df39c6184c251fac6480a8ad9415714056c106163403b9c83e0c695df80&

[pale prairie]

Is the crouched warp slice better than standing? Something about the maulers have weird leg armor?

[dull scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-flopje-rabbit-flat-flattened-gif-3328345702515468435

[plucky flax]

No it's just to hit more things.

[pale prairie]

Ah

[plucky flax]

It's the legs chopper technique.

[weary idol]

it can't headshot so might as well aim low to avoid going over things

[pale prairie]

Ah now see that’s important to know

[dull scroll]

you don't have to crouch if you make your character into a midget 😏

[pale prairie]

I always thought it could hit weak spots

[weary idol]

the initial swing can

which that initial swing also has fucktons of cleave so

in the high density of havoc it's entirely possible to do one empower FGS wave into another

it's absurd

[pale prairie]

But then how do you see the crusher/mauler in the crowd?

[deft stump]

You see when everything else is ded, I guess?

[candid temple]

bonk

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/skydance's-behemoth-behemoth-vr-monster-giant-gif-12072625038068522685

[candid temple]

I want that weapon skin tho...

[pale prairie]

The rock?

[candid temple]

yes

for thunder hammer

[pale prairie]

It’s pretty fucking sick

[candid temple]

Thunder Rock

[weary idol]

where's 2h ogryn hammer

[pale prairie]

Just carve “Emprah” and you’re good to go

[weary idol]

how come enemy ogryns get to swing big stick but not friend shaped ones

[candid temple]

[pale prairie]

Because that’s coming in the next weapon release in 2028

[weary idol]

is that also when veteran is getting a new weapon

[pale prairie]

Technically yes because the veteran is gonna be deleted and fully subsumed by the arbiter who will get all his guns

[candid temple]

https://tenor.com/view/eat-kirby-anime-الطعام-gif-4848690

[plucky flax]

I think arby can use plasma pistol in the lore?

[pale prairie]

For the lex of course

[candid temple]

For Kerillian

[weary idol]

it would be such a fatshark thing to do to have the 2 new weapons for vet

be plasma pistol and heavy stubber

both shared with arbitrator

[candid temple]

(if anyone didn't know, kerillian VA voices one of the voices of female arbi)

[plucky flax]

Yeah the voice sucks.

[candid temple]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-opinion-of-an-individual-opinion-individual-your-opinion-disagree-gif-25328487

[plucky flax]

I'm male maul enjoyer.

[pale prairie]

Ah yes the stable one

[candid temple]

Nothing wrong with liking men.

[plucky flax]

90% of arby uses it.

Cos of the trailer.

[candid temple]

Speaks for itself

[plucky flax]

The trailer was based tbf.

But I like the aggression on the charge voicelines the most.

OUT OF MY WAY!

MOVE!!!

[weary idol]

I like fatalist

Someone has to pull their weight is my mood 90% of the time

[pale prairie]

Pfff I never have to get out of the way cause I am always sprinting to catch up

[deft stump]

Female Fatalist, yes.

[ripe obsidian]

People on reddit appear to be angry that Perilous Combustion works on Soulblaze and, to a lesser extent, that Kinetic Deflection exists.

Pardon me while I clutch pearls about the glass cannon class being about to do large quantities of damage.

[candid temple]

[weary idol]

man like kinetic deflection is somehow even top 5 most broken psyker things

[candid temple]

people on reddit can't slide dodge probably?

[weary idol]

deflector and bubble are both heavily overrated because people just don't know how to play around ranged enemies

at all

[ripe obsidian]

Deflector is a nice safety net

And imo, if you have enough time to get Soulblaze to 31 stacks on anything that isn't a boss, having PC isn't really an issue.

Sometimes you'll wipe out a bunch of shotgunners in 4 seconds, which is nice

[plucky flax]

Where?

Most reddit also think psyker is worst class

[dull scroll]

that's only if you are playing a gunker with gun/assail to instantly answer ranged threats

[candid temple]

I think people who think that, just aren't suited for psyker

[dull scroll]

you get caught out in the open on purge builds without those things you are sitting ducks

[candid temple]

don't get caught out in the open

[weary idol]

yeah uh

[dull scroll]

perfect, thanks to this perception and the fact 90% of the psyker population are indeed bad, we'll never get nerfed

[weary idol]

getting caught out in the open happens because you don't play around shooter enemies

[dull scroll]

😏

[weary idol]

they keep buffing gun psyker because it has horrible pickrate

since it's hard to play

More for me of course

[dull scroll]

2 scenarios that's completely outside your control: 1. newly spawned ranged units during a horde, 2: boss pushing you into the open

or gas, or ritual, or any other "bs factors"

[weary idol]

the only bosses that push you into the open and are outside of your control in doing so are chaos spawn and twins

chaos spawn because literally pushing you

twins because MINES

you can 1v1 a burgle in a cube by staying close to it and side dodging its puke

[dull scroll]

lol ALL bosses will push your skinny psyker ass around

[weary idol]

though saying that I can't remember who told me but apparently chaos spawn can get easily looped if you let them corner you

and then they can only do their slam and grab

and you can just dodge in the corner

[ripe obsidian]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1mct3i6/i_just_like_watching_berserkers_burn_while_they/n5wqe1q/

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1mct3i6/i_just_like_watching_berserkers_burn_while_they/n5whdlu/

These two comments in particular for PC

More in there for KD

[ripe obsidian]

Psyker is awful, it's true. Buff pls.

[candid temple]

too squishy, not strong enough as pure melee, give buffs please

[ripe obsidian]

Too squishy, but also too tanky with KD, apparently. And too little damage output, but too much with PC.

Tbh it seems like reddit hates every class that isn't Ogryn and maybe Veteran.

[pure scaffold]

[candid temple]

[weary idol]

I don't really see how it's PC giving too much damage and not like fuckin'

Inferno staff or Disrupt Destiny

[ripe obsidian]

I couldn't say

Something something 31 stacks is unfair.

Hey, maybe you should kill it before I have a chance to get it to 31 stacks. >:(

Otherwise, I want that mauler to be on fire so it doesn't kill me while you're off chasing a lone poxwalker.

"You" in the general sense. Not you in particular. Well, maybe you in particular. I dunno what you do

[weary idol]

I play gun psyker

that mauler isn't alive to be on fire if I'm around

[inland ice]

based

I bought the elder scroll

worst use of $5 ever but it's drip so idk

[candid temple]

ngl it's one of the few cosmetics that has tempted me

but I'm not sure if it's because it is cool or because there's basically no cool options for the back slot

[weary idol]

have you considered that maybe all the good ones are gone to never return

[candid temple]

[weary idol]

fear of missing out but actually you just missed out with no fear

because you weren't playing on launch xd

[candid temple]

I actually played on launch, but not for long.

Went back to chaos wastes and other games for a while.

though I'm not sure if I even like any of the ones on your screenshot

[plucky flax]

Why does he think pc is bugged. It was bugged fixed to trigger properly lol

[weary idol]

this one was pretty popular amongst zealot players

[candid temple]

idk, burning candles seem like a fire hazard

also is fatshark dumb?

why would they not sell any of these?

[weary idol]

well they did sell them

they're just not in rotation anymore

and may never be back

[candid temple]

that's what I mean

like you want to create fomo, fine, but put it on rotation or do anniversary sales or something

[weary idol]

I dunno man

it is on rotation

every 2 weeks on thursday they rotate the shop

glacially slow, and really fucking annoyingly so

just like their dev cycle

[candid temple]

[weary idol]

oh except arbites I guess

they haven't gotten anything new yet

[ripe obsidian]

Dunno. Guy seems hyper salty about Psyker doing damage

[weary idol]

god never let him see me play psyker

he'd have an aneurysm

[plucky flax]

Probably arby main got outdamaged by psyker once and salty

Weird ogryn mostly get a pass but they're the most broken

[sturdy reef]

arbites have 10x the survivability of psyker

lol

and they can get comparable damage

not against every psyker build

[candid temple]

seems like a zealot player

🕵️

[waxen pollen]

arbites looks like a lot of fun but my ego tells me im not allowed to play them until they get nerfed

[plucky flax]

Its not that op in havoc

But ye in auric it's like ogryn with more mobility

[ripe obsidian]

I'd say Arbiter is quite good in havoc, but most folks who play it are very selfish.

[dull scroll]

I don't know about that, Arby even in it's current state, is pretty OP in havoc

[plucky flax]

Psyker more damage and support ogryn just do much more aoe and damage.

[dull scroll]

most OP, for the general population, is oggy and arby I'd say

[waxen pollen]

this rlly does seem to be the trend among most arbites players huh 🥹

[plucky flax]

And tankier

[sturdy reef]

r beat deez

[candid temple]

I enjoy zealot and arbites both.

[ripe obsidian]

Aye. High survivability, pretty good mobility, high damage. Means you can thrive in most situations, even if your team is struggling.

[candid temple]

that stamina -> toughness regen node is pretty busted on arbi though

[sturdy reef]

stagger to tgh is busted

10% is so high

[candid temple]

yes, with weakspot counts as staggered trait especially?

[sturdy reef]

yes, but it is still very strong without it

[candid temple]

I think they think that, because this post has 'acknowledged' tag: https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/perilous-combustion-procs-off-soulblaze-kills-now/106825

[dull scroll]

the more I think about it just now the more I'm sure arby is more "tanky" than ogryn

[candid temple]

but 'acknowledged' afaik just means someone at fatshark has looked at the post

[ripe obsidian]

Funny thing, the opposite is acknowledged as well.

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/perilous-combustion-does-not-trigger-with-soulblaze-kill/86648

[candid temple]

yes

I was about to post that

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, acknowledged just means that someone clicked a button saying, "I saw it"

I press the acknowledged button at work all the time. :D

[calm sapphire]

Havoc Gunker in a nutshell

[ripe obsidian]

Doesn't mean I'll do anything more than look today. Or this week.

I have been wishing Souldrinker was in a usable spot since I realized I had been misled. The toughness regen pops on every enemy death, it's just the crit chance that can't refresh.

[plucky flax]

Bubble knight is support

[ripe obsidian]

But not emotional support. That's Ogryn.

Or the Arbiter's dog

Question: why does every Inferno Psyker in the H25-35 range use Empyric Shock? Is there some youtuber who pushes it?

[nocturne dust]

Doesn't the guide go for an LMB spam inferno nonsense?

[ripe obsidian]

Maybe? I do not know

[quartz barn]

Does ES even work on purg

Seeing reports that it specifically doesnt work on purg, but idk if this got changed

[potent echo]

It does

I ran it for a period of time

[plucky flax]

It works now after fix

[potent echo]

And then I decided it was mid

[quartz barn]

Agent just make a video on purg build that doesnt use es to get the low tier havoc crowd to change

[upper sun]

whats ES?

essence s-harvest?

[nocturne dust]

empyric shock

[upper sun]

its MID

[potent echo]

Void is back

[ripe obsidian]

I can see why people would take it. But spamming LMB means you aren't doing RMB, which means less damage.

[potent echo]

I would rather take an extra toughness talent

[ripe obsidian]

Also, it's only on enemies hit

Which is pretty eh

[nocturne dust]

Sounds like fake news to me

[potent echo]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kot-lock-in-lock-in-gif-14433487186457527318

[nocturne dust]

Me coming back to enemies farting was not on my bingo card tho

[ripe obsidian]

I have not yet done any event missions

[plucky flax]

Its fun

[ripe obsidian]

Put Souldrinker where Empyric Shock is and get rid of the shitty swap speed talent. Give me 10% toughness on warpfire kills between Soulstealer and Souldrinker

[ripe obsidian]

I think I read that elites are Infested instead of carapace/flak/whatever

[plucky flax]

Huh

I dunno they are just normal auric toughness

Die in 2 or 3 hits

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, I did an auric and did a casual 800k

feels pretty normal to me

[ripe obsidian]

The server is dead by the time I get online. I queued up, but didn't feel like soloing.

[shut kite]

with +66% toughness curios is +15 toughness better than one with the warp?

[potent echo]

Ded gaem

[nocturne dust]

no

[ripe obsidian]

Flat toughness increases % toughness gains. So arguably. Depends on the difficulty.

A flat +15 is like +30 after bonuses from curios

Or +25, I guess

[shut kite]

Im guessing its better in havoc then?

[ripe obsidian]

In havoc, toughness damage reduction is iffy on Psyker. Any melee attack breaks it instantly, TDR or not

So TDR is for helping with ranged chip damage, mostly

[nocturne dust]

The focus is on surviving ranged, yeah

although you can survive a melee using +15 nodes and OwtW

[ripe obsidian]

I can see an argument for OwtW or extra toughness. I don't think one is clearly better than the other

[nocturne dust]

but normally you have to drop your damage

The other thing is that the +15 nodes are unaffected by Havoc modifiers iirc

[ripe obsidian]

Is true

H40 is a flat -45 toughness, I think

[shut kite]

So you need to on average always have over 21% tdr for owtw to be better than +15 toughness in havoc assuming a baseline of 120 toughness

[ripe obsidian]

+15 and +66% means it should be +25 total. Depends on rounding

120 toughness is higher than I usually have in H40.

I'm usually at 90

[nocturne dust]

iirc I'm between 80 and 105?

Depends on the build I use

[shut kite]

Yeah but with 90 +15 tougness should always be better than owtw idk?

[ripe obsidian]

2x 17% & 3x 5% on top of the assorted small nodes gets me to 90

[ripe obsidian]

Maybe? I am not sure exactly how TDR manifests. I know how it's supposed to. But this is Fatshark

[plucky flax]

Its the way the mission board works now. Existing maps dont get filled

So if someone die and leave it's bot for the rest of the map

[ripe obsidian]

That's dumb and I hate it

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, it sucks

[plucky flax]

Its free damage farming for this event.

[nocturne dust]

I would say OwtW is better in Auric, +15 nodes better in Havoc

[ripe obsidian]

Going by my setup, assuming the math is correct, you'd need to be at 80 peril for OwtW to surpass +15

[nocturne dust]

Are we figuring in other +15 nodes?

[ripe obsidian]

I don't need to in this case

49% bonus toughness from curios turns 15 into approximately 22.5. That bonus is the same regardless of other toughness nodes

[shut kite]

With a baseline of 120 toughness no?

[ripe obsidian]

90

[nocturne dust]

The value of OwtW increases with each +15 node

The more toughness you have, the more OwtW matters

[ripe obsidian]

I am being mutually exclusive

[nocturne dust]

I can pretty comfortably reach 150+ toughness on psyker in Auric

[ripe obsidian]

90 toughness and OwtW or 112.5 toughness without

Oh, in Auric I can get like 200 toughness. I am talking H40

[nocturne dust]

That's not a real build tho, so it's not a good comparison

[ripe obsidian]

....yes it is?

[nocturne dust]

Oh, I thought you were talking auric

As said, OwtW is cool in Auric, and less cool in Havoc

[ripe obsidian]

I am not disagreeing

[nocturne dust]

because numbers

[ripe obsidian]

I'm just mathing it out

Anyway, 22.5 is conveniently 1/4 of 90, so 25% increase. 60 peril is like 23% TDR with OwtW and 80 peril is 28%.

Looks like I should probably change my H40 build a bit...

[nocturne dust]

I generally use EE in Havoc, yeah

or Anticipation if I can get to it

too bad there's no fourth option.

[ripe obsidian]

At least for bubble. Can't drop OwtW for Shriek. Alas.

[potent echo]

Unlucky for some

[ripe obsidian]

I was using OwtW and EE for bubble.

Hm. I have a meeting in 6.5 hours. I am gonna try to sleep.

[nocturne dust]

There is no fourth option.

https://tenor.com/view/ba-sing-se-gif-20976912

[paper oriole]

I makes me think they could add a talent for survivalist veterans that allows you to loot ammo and grenades from dead allies 😂

[potent echo]

Waste not want not

Well canonically thats where brunt's armory stuff comes from

[paper oriole]

Yeah, that is what I am nodding to - it would be fitting and useful

And a bit funny - “can you please die to a barrel so the rest of us can get some kraks from you body?”

[restive slate]

I miss Bardins ammo drops

[paper oriole]

Make unlucky for some into something of the same vibe and we good 🙂

also move to the start of the tree so people who start playing the class and are not up there actually can use it

[restive slate]

And Booze drops

[paper oriole]

Falling short on ammo?

[restive slate]

Suggested Unlucky for Some change

When Psyker reach max peril, the corruption is shared to nearest ally and Psyker does not blow up. Internal cooldown of 90s

[restive slate]

Just the mechanic of it

[paper oriole]

Maybe they didn’t want to rethread the mechanic too much?
After all vt2 is still its own game

[paper oriole]

Sounds nice and keeps the sprit of it 🙂

[craggy jackal]

i need a good psyker build

[paper oriole]

Any preferences?

[nocturne dust]

See pins

[paper oriole]

Also in pins

[wraith sphinx]

wow I've had another couple matches with no arbites

nature might actually be healing

[plucky flax]

Its impossible for psyker to be good check reddit

[hearty wolf]

I haven't played in 2 days or something wtf

I'll log on rn and terrorise pubs

My favourite way is putting up a havoc but not my assignment

These kids join thinking it's havoc 0 or something

Then you slam dunk them right into a 40 with red purple

[wraith sphinx]

I just qp

havoc is still unfun for me

[hearty wolf]

I heard anticipation was bugged - was that fixed?

[wraith sphinx]

in fact havoc pubs are even worse

I play like 3-4 matches a week now

waiting for some significant new content to drop tbh

[hearty wolf]

That'll be a few years

Darktide on life support frfr

[wraith sphinx]

well i can sure wait lol

[marble crater]

Saying that after we just got a new class is crazy

[nocturne dust]

I haven't kept up so Idk

Last I checked, no

it's not bugged

[wraith sphinx]

yeah ik

the class is a dissapointment

[nocturne dust]

Bruh, Arby is my second fav

[upper sun]

🚬 time to grind arby penances

[deft stump]

You mean the servers.

[wraith sphinx]

people who bought the game only to play arby completely suck at the other 4 classes and it shows

missions especially become dull when I play with 3 dog arbys who just let the dogs play the game for them and me

[hearty wolf]

Omg a comrade 😭

All these people are HATERS

[wraith sphinx]

besides that genuinely like

all the nolifers are gone from the game

like wtf

[deft stump]

But arby is 300 ping pub goto to slack.

[nocturne dust]

This is the same as 'ugh, ogryns killing/exploding everything before I can'
or before that 'ugh, psykers running ahead and killing everything before I can'
or before that 'ugh, zealots running ahead and killing everything before I can'
or before that 'ugh, veterans running ahead and killing everything before I can'

[wraith sphinx]

no the fuck it isn't

[wraith sphinx]

do those classes have dogs?

[deft stump]

When half your shots don't work, let puppo do it or spam mines.

[nocturne dust]

'ugh, dogs running ahead and killing everything before I can'

https://tenor.com/view/theyre-the-same-picture-the-office-pam-the-office-us-gif-20757621

[deft stump]

And then everyone dies cos nobody looks behind.

[glacial vapor]

Are these veterans in the server with us right now?

[deft stump]

Fart armor loves flanking with crushers and maulers.

[nocturne dust]

You would have to be ancient of days to remember those times

[wraith sphinx]

you are so fucking dense

[glacial vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-damn-damn-damn-damn-right-dame-time-gif-18029769

[wraith sphinx]

this literally isn't a problem with the other classes because players playing those still have to at least pay a modicum of attention to what's going on around them

[calm sapphire]

Dog too slow at killing ngl

[wraith sphinx]

arbites with dogs can play the game blindfolded and still win

[hearty wolf]

Sometimes I use remote detonation to echo locate my dog

True fact

[nocturne dust]

I get you're not being literal here, but that's been the situation for a while with all the meta builds

sooooooo

Arbites ain't at fault here

[calm sapphire]

Uh actually smykers

🤓

[nocturne dust]

You're just hating on the new thing, old man

Smykers, Trauma spam, Ogryn lmb spam, etc. etc.

[glacial vapor]

Arbites enabled the Malice Gamers to get decent builds by accident and the dog does half the work. Therefore the game feels easier lol

[wraith sphinx]

wow he understand I'm not being literal here, impressive

[wraith sphinx]

yeah that's pretty much the gist of it

arby weapon loadouts are the most limited of all the classes and pretty much everything they have is objectively good so it's very hard to make a shit build here

[nocturne dust]

I mean, I literally just played a match today where 1 arbites did 700k and 1 did 100k. You can be crap at anything

[wraith sphinx]

oh I'm sorry was I supposed to post a disclaimer stating "no not all arbites players are equally bad" beforehand

holy shit

[nocturne dust]

It's hard to make a crap build because they're better balanced. More of their talents are generally useful.

They don't have any Unlucky for Somes.

[wraith sphinx]

which is perfectly fine

[nocturne dust]

Like, okay maybe some of their talents are more general than they should be, so much of it is just +damage if thing happens, so there's something to be said about them needing to be a bit more specialized and what not, but that's not the same issue as '4 people who are mildly competent at the game can make the game a cakewalk'

[wraith sphinx]

the problem is arby mains generally have their brains rotted because the class is so good

[wraith sphinx]

what

but that's precisely what's happening

people who'd end up kissing the floor on even the fucking ogryn are just demolishing levels without breaking a sweat on arbites

the only times I've seen arbys go down is when they split off from the group and recklessly wandered about alone for an extended period of time

[nocturne dust]

What difficulty are you thinking of?

[wraith sphinx]

auric

[nocturne dust]

Hm, well I haven't played much since I just got back from a long break, but it didn't feel anything like that before my break

[wraith sphinx]

for me it was a profoundly dull experience which led me to playing the game a lot less

[hearty wolf]

I don't consider auric a real difficulty

There's a difficulty problem imo

[nocturne dust]

-# Silence Havoc masochist

[hearty wolf]

Between h40 and auric

[glacial vapor]

There are other changes that made the game easier too.

Lile Campaign Missions in quickplay

[paper oriole]

Dura Lex sed lex
(harsh law but law)

[wraith sphinx]

I am the Gex 🦎

[hearty wolf]

It's true though. The new event has quite a bit more tension so that's fun but when I have like 200 fucking toughness and almost 300hp

Bruh

[nocturne dust]

I've only played a couple matches today, but it felt like same-old same-old. I had to carry more than a few arbies.

[nocturne dust]

Havoc ain't the solution tho, not with its party finding nonsense

[hearty wolf]

Arby made me improve because I'm finally enjoying the game 😭

And ye probs not

[nocturne dust]

improve
Bruh, you were the one that handicapped yourself by ignoring Until Death and other Zealot shenanigans 😭

[wraith sphinx]

havoc remains a 3/10 experience for me until it adds qp and lets me pick a previously beaten havoc rank mission to play without demoting

or!

if they do the thing cole mentioned and remove deraking entirely

[nocturne dust]

Remove deranking, add quickplay, and maybe also don't have ten billion ranks that do nothing other than add grind

[wraith sphinx]

for real

every grouping of 5 ranks can be condensed into one

[nocturne dust]

Imagine they do that and then an old player returns to people bragging about being in Havoc 8

[wraith sphinx]

LOL

[paper oriole]

Sounds more like auric+ then havoc, too many changes

[wraith sphinx]

reddit is down the hall and to the left...

[nocturne dust]

Exactly

If it ain't broke, don't fix it

[wraith sphinx]

that's the point

auric is (especially old auric) peak darktide

[nocturne dust]

Havoc sucks in terms of all the meta match nonsense

[paper oriole]

I guess, but at this point just add a new mod 🤷‍♂️

[nocturne dust]

matchmaking is trash, ranking is trash

Nobody likes those things

At best, they begrudgingly accept them

[paper oriole]

Never played it, started after they changed it

[hearty wolf]

Dog shit perk - and even without those crutches I did okay.

I pretty much never die on Arb at this point. Maybe because you haven't had the time to carry me.

My Arb build literally only has the toughness=stamina node for defence and that's because I couldn't avoid it.

The other build I have doesn't even have that - it just has the impacts since CC is enough survivability

[nocturne dust]

I did okay
I should make a montage of all the times you died first

[hearty wolf]

We've been doing so much off meta havoc, it feels dodgy when you do run meta

[nocturne dust]

😈

[hearty wolf]

Lag

[wraith sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-gif-25720883

you missed out on peak kinotide

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-stupid-younger-generation-young-old-pissed-gif-5068746

[paper oriole]

Maybe, can happen again
Game looks like it will live for a couple more years

[nocturne dust]

Okay now play something other than Arby

[wraith sphinx]

I'm expecting a lot more of darktide than that

especially considering the game was a horrible grindfest for its first few years

[nocturne dust]

Darktide's launch really hurt its commercial success

[paper oriole]

I Think „lights out” is peak darktide

[nocturne dust]

I bet it will repeat if/when Darktide 2 happens

Fatshark never learns

[hearty wolf]

Don't know what that means, there are no other classes

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-warhammer-40k-warhammer-40k-psyker-gif-4777251650916725445

[paper oriole]

„Vt 2 managed to stay afloat, darktide will also”

[hearty wolf]

I deleted the Asthmatic, the fragile, the Book and the Fatty

[wraith sphinx]

despite everything I still love playing gun psyker

so here's to a few more years of gun psykering 🥂

[nocturne dust]

I just want force dclaw 😔

Lemme deflect bullets

[wraith sphinx]

dclaw deffo feels more fun to use than it used to

[nocturne dust]

Well, that's not true, I also want new staves and Chaos Wastes

[wraith sphinx]

more staves would indeed be very cool

idk what CW is because I never played vermintide

[nocturne dust]

Roguelike mode

basically

rng map, rng 'boons' you get as you progress, rng weapons you find

[wraith sphinx]

oh so kinda like mortis trials except nothing alike?

[nocturne dust]

yep

[quartz barn]

You can find blue coins you can use on random statues that give a random boon, weapon or upgrade

[nocturne dust]

You also get bonuses for completing maps and stuff like that

[quartz barn]

And you basically run through smaller scale missions that can have chaos waste exclusive modifiers

[nocturne dust]

Best mode in VT2

[wraith sphinx]

sounds pretty cool

[quartz barn]

At the end theres a unique map where you scale a fancy tower, followed by a mortis trial esque survive the horde bit

[nocturne dust]

It is. It's fun, and the end map tends to actually provide a challenge still even when you have tons of boons

Throws like 3 bosses with stupid modifiers on them at you. Stuff like 'cannot take ranged damage' and 'regenerates HP'

[quartz barn]

Gave exclusive frames if you beat it on higher difficulties, 3 per character

[nocturne dust]

Oh, and those bosses get multiple modifiers

Can really screw you over with RNG

[quartz barn]

The vulcano map sucked lmao

Something peak

[wraith sphinx]

nice nice

[hearty wolf]

I did a couple runs of chaos wastes and thought it was okay.

[quartz barn]

100% crit boon on sienna was fun tho, infinite skulls

[summer prairie]

they nerfed the fun stuff in chaos wastes, so less fun now. Have to play the mod

[nocturne dust]

Dang. Well, haven't played it in a while so 🤷‍♂️

Best part was going nuts on zealot and literally becoming unkillable

[summer prairie]

well I haven't played since DT release, that was ages ago

[nocturne dust]

Oh, then I played more recently

[quartz barn]

I still remember the weave bardin bot bug, where for some reason he would use your weave gear and be invincible

[hearty wolf]

Yeah I told you to install then I disappeared

Lul

[nocturne dust]

Also there's a boon in it that heals you for every DoT tick

Imagine that on soulblaze psyker

[summer prairie]

this is what you should be playing (the guide is outdated though) https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2884482220

[nocturne dust]

I still have it installed

[hearty wolf]

I guess we'll have to play it sometime

I need a fun weapon to use tho

I like dual daggers too much to want to use something else

The crit effect is so

Critty

I've been using necro scythe but it feels way too fucking strong even on cata lmao

[quartz barn]

Wutelgi player

[nocturne dust]

I like dodge maiden tho

Elves are cool

[hearty wolf]

I actually never really played shield maiden aside from speedrunesque things

And crutching my way through beastmen

Because I found them absurdly hard

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, beastmen were always the hardest

Screw their flagbearers

They're awful

[hearty wolf]

It's just everything. The flag bearers were aids. I find the minotaur boss pretty brutal.

And the archers. The fucking archers 😭

Their twigs almost kill you in a single shot

[nocturne dust]

You can block them

It's like deflector, but everyone has it all the time for free against dinky dumb archers

[hearty wolf]

Huh

I wonder if I knew that

I was but a child

I don't think I did

[nocturne dust]

I'm pretty sure I told you before when this came up when you first told me to download it

[hearty wolf]

Probably lost is due to my 30 game loss streak or whatever while doing h40s

I've been restored though to a very positive win ratio

[nocturne dust]

and all it took was a new, broken class

[hearty wolf]

It doesn't have golden toughness

It's bad

Dog got ruined

It's hard for me to break 2m damage now without farming

And I can only kill bosses as fast as Thammer if dog cooperates

While having 6* better horde clear

[spice oar]

Games gone left

[paper oriole]

Behold, marvel of engineering

[spice oar]

Plasma peashooter

[gray juniper]

The meta sweat treaty 😭

[woeful sigil]

I had one like this for warp res on a blaze force sword, 76% peril on special charge

[candid temple]

my most played weapon in vt2 I think

maybe 2nd most, after bardin's axes

[plucky flax]

Auric gaming but everytime teammate died they left the game and the mission is gone from the board.

[tulip kettle]

So mr E released a video where hes all like

"is this guy cheating"

[plucky flax]

Probably.

[quartz barn]

Nah just a console player so they look inhuman

[tulip kettle]

i mean

i was just wondering if any of you had watched it

and what you think about it

[candid temple]

who?

[tulip kettle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tihqqFmQggM

idc about the content creator drama or anything

its literally just the analysis of what happens for the guy to generate 3 grenades

would be interested what yall think

[plucky flax]

Hrm?

[upper sun]

throw 3 stun mines in mercantile and leave the mission
get 800 progression
do full mission
get 1k

I WILL toxmax

[plucky flax]

Noob clad

[upper sun]

i WILL toxicmax u cant stop me

i am going to queue for mercantle 5 times

[ornate hamlet]

I'd imagine it's some modifier of some sort, because the only effects I personally know that replenish 3 grenades at once are picking up grenades and field improvisation

Might be something to ask about in vet chat tho

[tulip kettle]

its not a modifier

[upper sun]

every person i have ever seen pick that talent was not great at the game

[jovial juniper]

Or

[tulip kettle]

and its not that im confused either tbh i know what happens

[jovial juniper]

Hear me out

Demo Team

[ornate hamlet]

I imagine if he somehow triggered demolition team, I think it'd show +1+1+1

[tulip kettle]

like the vid is there and you can just watch it

[ornate hamlet]

It's 20 minutes tho, I'm just looking at the grenade part

[tulip kettle]

yup exactly

just a couple mins talking about the grenades

the guy "procs demo team" 3 times

at odds of less than 0.001%

[quartz barn]

Can still happen tho

[tulip kettle]

then the thing he supposedly procs it off isnt actually dead which you see 3 seconds later

[ornate hamlet]

That's another thing that bothers me: there are no dead elites or specials at the time he gets 3 grenades

[tulip kettle]

🙂

[ornate hamlet]

He just gets them

[tulip kettle]

he does indeed

weird

theres another video recently

[ornate hamlet]

I can't see anything on the buffs and I know the game is notorious for missing some buffs on the UI, so I can't comment on that

[hearty wolf]

It's just fast

Like

Stabstabstabstabstab

[ornate hamlet]

This shit is weird ngl

I hope it's just me being uneducated on vet

[tulip kettle]

some guy with some crazy interaction with shock mine shooting a plogryn that lets him kill it in literally 3 seconds

[hearty wolf]

That's not weird

That's intended

[tulip kettle]

yes

i never said it wasnt an intended interaction

[hearty wolf]

Forceful best keystone

[tulip kettle]

all of these things are intended interactions

[hearty wolf]

Arb needed more boss damage

[tulip kettle]

same as on my zealot i can sometimes get my ulti ready much faster than makes sense

but heres the thing

why sometimes

and why in certin situations

https://tenor.com/view/conspiracy-charlie-day-crazy-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-qanon-gif-23738584

my continuing hypothesis is that the game makes many more, much more impactful decisions based on coherency and "furthest advancement point" than people realise

and that the better players in the community, like most of you people here, already play around this subconsciously

[quartz barn]

Its more that abil cd on special/elite kill can snowball really hard

[glacial vapor]

Domspiracy Wednesday is back, lets go

[tulip kettle]

yeah man its not going away

[marble crater]

Shush, or they will nerf Psy Aura again

[quartz barn]

Theres a good reason bubble cd got nerfed in the past, i remember having 4 bubbles up at all time in AM

[tulip kettle]

psy aura is just one example of the talents required

same as all these interactions

[quartz barn]

Theres also the abil cd perks that arent psy aura

[tulip kettle]

they are a thing that the ai director can use to directly affect the game state but in a way that doesnt seem obvious to the player

[quartz barn]

And depending on how the game calculates everything it can either be broken or diminished returns

[tulip kettle]

let us assume for a moment, that i am correct, and that the game director makes decisions on what will happen based on these hidden factors

[jovial juniper]

It's going to go from 5 to 6 specialist/elites killed so you can have 20% cdr

[tulip kettle]

and that these decisions are deterministic but designed to give the illusion of player agency

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/money-crying-woody-harrelson-wiping-tears-with-money-gif-6945518

[tulip kettle]

how would you be able to differentiate between "the director decided i was dead" and "im sure i dodged that crusher the same as all the other ones i dodged this game, but this time i died randomly"

[hearty wolf]

Ping

[tulip kettle]

yeah thats my point

[quartz barn]

This isnt tied to the ai director

[tulip kettle]

you as a human without seeing the decision tree would not be able to differentiate it

you would explain it as " i just got really lucky/unlucky" "ping differences"

[quartz barn]

I would see it as me being bad

[tulip kettle]

and tbh that should be the intended outcome

[quartz barn]

But i also am not the target for this question

Because i borderline flawless h40

[tulip kettle]

i died - i made a mistake - what mistake did i make - improve on the mistake

but if you arent able to identify the mistake, nothing will change

if you identify the mistake as "i mis dodged the crusher due to ping"

[quartz barn]

If anything the better scenario for this would be "why did the ai director decide to spawn 15 bursters in the spawn next to me"

[hearty wolf]

I don't see how dying to a crusher because you didn't press spacebar has anything to do with these hidden factors

[tulip kettle]

when the behaviour was actually "the director killed me because i broke coherency"

[hearty wolf]

Ah right, because the director ordained it. I see

[quartz barn]

This one is actually false

[tulip kettle]

thats fine idc if you agree with me or not and im used to people being dismissive without any counter points

[quartz barn]

Regular spawns are unchanged but the game will spawn a monster on you when you either stay out of coherency for too long

[tulip kettle]

yes i agree

there are many punishments like this

[quartz barn]

Also easy to prove

[tulip kettle]

theres a lot more too

[quartz barn]

Amd ran into one myself not too long ago

[tulip kettle]

indeed it is

[quartz barn]

Tldr 2 speedrunners in havoc

Other guy that was with me died, so i got the monster spawn while being behind

[hearty wolf]

Well it's more like it spawns special and then those specials have a chance to be a monster

[quartz barn]

Could also be true idk

[tulip kettle]

yes that is how it works

but AGAIN

[quartz barn]

I do know the game can spawn multiple monsters on you over time

[tulip kettle]

in any game

if there are % probabilities

[quartz barn]

Was able to survive solo by abusing an elevator and enemy pathing

[tulip kettle]

these can be manipulated on the back end with no way for the player to know otherwise

in gambling software, you must fully publish the entire source code to regulators

there is no such regulation in the gaming industry

[quartz barn]

I mean, all of this is just if statements

[hearty wolf]

In the end, all I'm hearing is to run away from my team to increase monster spawns so the game is more fun

[tulip kettle]

this technology has been possible for 30 years, but theres just no way it could be utilised in video games

yeah dude

run backwards if you want burgle

all im saying is

[hearty wolf]

What direction do I need to run to spawn Pogryns but not chaos spawns 🤔

[calm sapphire]

and dealing with the phalanx too if havoc?

[tulip kettle]

i have not finished testing yet

[hearty wolf]

They're literally fake news

It's so hard to get them to spawn

You have to run SO far back

[tulip kettle]

the bulwarks?

[hearty wolf]

Yes

[tulip kettle]

its not "so far" its 2 sections

[calm sapphire]

I remember when it was 20 m

[tulip kettle]

its also based on time in some way

[calm sapphire]

it was fire

[hearty wolf]

I swear it's inconsistent at that and it's also 2 sections without coherency - and if you daisy chain, you have so much leniency

[tulip kettle]

indeed!

but AGAIN, its utterly crazy to think the ai director could have other parameters

[calm sapphire]

can armor patrols trigger from being away from groups?

[hearty wolf]

I think the last game I had a blockade was about 80 games ago

[tulip kettle]

despite that theres no way we can test the live server version

all im saying is

[glacial vapor]

Oh, this one's easy. You decided to play a Maelstrom with full knowledge this would happen, this is 100% the players fault

[tulip kettle]

play the level at the pace the ai director indicates

without breaking coherency

and you will pass 100% of the time

[hearty wolf]

Not afaik. It's specials, specifically disablers who will then priority target you.

Or well, it's a bit more complicated.

I think it was something like 75% trappers will target the solo player and only 50% of mutants

I forgor dogs

[tulip kettle]

the game is constantly indicating with the audio and enemy spawns if you are moving too fast, too slow, taking the wrong route etc

and dont get me started on some of the stuff ive been trying to get yall to pick up on

trappers are a great one

"ill slow you down"

"something special"

[hearty wolf]

Not this again

[tulip kettle]

"got it just for you"

[hearty wolf]

This is where we lose him

My favourite mental one is flamers kicking the air

[tulip kettle]

thats a prime example

okay sin, them kicking the air is just a bug

can you give any indication of the circumstances for this

what causes this bug

how it can be repeated

[hearty wolf]

Enemies pathing can break. Darktide director has better things to do like sending other signs to the mystically aware gamers like yourself

[calm sapphire]

I see

For this clip, is the map seed the problem or is it the ai director just wants us to die since we were met with a ton of elites at the start

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/kB1I0Y5sXaRrF3z4f?invite=cr-MSxTR0ssODExMzk2MzE&v=183

[tulip kettle]

no, you dont get to do that

answer the question

[hearty wolf]

I'm going back to work lmao

[tulip kettle]

yeah good one

[tulip kettle]

great clip

now, i think i may know whats happening here

but im a crazy dude who apparently believes the ai director is some sentient higher power

couldnt possibly be algorithmically determined

[last shore]

https://tenor.com/view/quit-smoking-drake-no-smoking-stop-smoking-gif-13608526

[quartz barn]

Isnt this just any mostly melee maelstrom

[calm sapphire]

its havoc 40

[glacial vapor]

Sometimes that room just spawns a bunch of elites . I've seen just as much in lower diffs tbh lol

[quartz barn]

So its still pretty standard?

[glacial vapor]

Has to be some RNG to keep things interesting

[calm sapphire]

rng doesn't spawn in 2 monstrosity 4 min into the game lmao

[quartz barn]

Im guessing its something like % to spawn any enemy

And then a random number between 5-10 or something on top of that

[mental rock]

Actually yes it does

[glacial vapor]

I've seen twins appear before people even drop down there lol

It definitely can

[tulip kettle]

you think things might have went differently if "baby manglr" used his ability or blitz in the first 20 seconds of the clip?

yes i see twins in the opening section before the true mission start frequently

[quartz barn]

Simply run trauma

[tulip kettle]

also get horde or boss music when loading in sometimes

[glacial vapor]

: Final Toll

[quartz barn]

And then not hit anything because your rmb goes through the stairs

[calm sapphire]

twins happen due to a trigger checkpoint

the bosses that appeared did not trigger due to distance checkpoint hmm?

oh wait

they do

hmm

[glacial vapor]

I'm not sure how the boss spawns work in havoc. Is it based on specials?

[quartz barn]

No certain spots trigger them

[tulip kettle]

its supposed to work like this

[calm sapphire]

no

[tulip kettle]

the odds of a special turning into a boss increases over time

[quartz barn]

Not in havoc

[tulip kettle]

once 2 weakened bosses have been spawned by this

yes in havoc

explictly

[calm sapphire]

they used to trigger on checkpoint but now its random right

[tulip kettle]

i am only talking about havoc here

once 2 weakened bosses have spawned

there is SUPPOSED to be a 2 min grace period

where no more can spawn

except we all know thats not the case

bosses are still triggered by map spawns

[calm sapphire]

twins + chaos + nurgle

[tulip kettle]

weakened bosses and normal bosses are different

so there are trigger points on the map which spawn normal bosses, the weakened bosses are supposedly spawned using the paramenters i said above

but we know thats not how they actually work from our own game experience and even the clip above

[fossil tinsel]

Kek. I’ve had the twins appear and start wrecking us before we even get to drop down and enter the map on one of the smelter missions. The chaos spawn joining them was insult to injury.

[tulip kettle]

its just so hard to test this stuff because you need 4 good players who are all on board to intentionally do nonsense for hundreds of hours of testing

[calm sapphire]

honestly that is a blessing in disguise since I would rather face the twins early then wait for them to show up later and ruin the run

[tulip kettle]

and you cant test it in offline or true solo or anything

[fossil tinsel]

The problem was the lack of space, his gas mines downed 2 of us and we couldn’t get out of the hallway due to the Chaos Spawn and the horde that came with it

[quartz barn]

Just ask a dev

Sometimes devs just like to talk about this stuff

[tulip kettle]

?

[calm sapphire]

yeah space is limited, I got lucky and was playing taunt gryn so I could keep the twins occupied on me while my team dealt with everything else

[calm sapphire]

livestreams?

[glacial vapor]

Sometimes they don't though.

I remember when Arrowhead said fire tornados didn't track the player only to change it down the line and state it in the patch notes

[tulip kettle]

they are also 99% of the time under nda

and have no requirement to tell you the truth

cmon

[quartz barn]

Well ofcourse

[tulip kettle]

its the same as players who play MTG:A

half the population is like " oh yeah its random just law of large numbers means blah blah"

and the other half is like " why when i play in paper or on open source projects do we never see these repeatable patterns of behaviour in card draws and distribution"

and the devs meanwhile are just like " oh yeah its totally random. But if it wasnt we wouldnt have to tell you. And we have an entire dev team dedicated to player engagement optimisation"

and then later were like "oh well, as you have proved that we do do some algorithmic manipulation of cards, yes we did do that but not in your games and now we dont"

its not some sentient ai

its not targeting any one player specifically

its an algorithmically determined manipulation of results to drive player engagement, and these systems are worth billions of dollars

[wraith sphinx]

Never understood the appeal of card games like mtg. It's just shelling out dockets to build the most op deck you can and then use it, zero skill expression whatsoever.

[tulip kettle]

oh yeah i dont play im just interested in it as a case study

i like gwent in witcher 3

[jovial juniper]

Another Gwent addict

https://tenor.com/view/its-bleak-bleak-its-peak-peak-homelander-gif-466413946589568151

[summer prairie]

purg psyker got all her sb stolen by shriek trauma

though ranged damage was kind of low too

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-gingerbread-man-you-are-a-monster-broken-leg-shrek-gif-5498298

[summer prairie]

192k ranged, maybe just wasn't using it much

[strong gulch]

Could have been slow and staying in that back too. Start purging mostly dead things.

[gray juniper]

I believe Dom on this

Baby manglr was on the drop down when he activated chorus

That’s something I noticed by chance in other missions

[last shore]

There’s this thing called confirmation bias. Doesn’t make it true