psyker-class

[ripe obsidian]

Charisma can also be described as "force of will", depending on the setting.

[long wharf]

in many ways, that's far harder to do well than simply being book smart (INT)

[deft stump]

It depends on your GM, tbh. And character.

[long wharf]

both true

[ripe obsidian]

I think writing a character who is smarter than the author is absolutely possible, but you have to be careful about what you show and what you don't. Overexposing their purported intelligence ruins the illusion, same as showing the monster too much in a horror movie.

[deft stump]

24 CHA greymalkin just being kyoote.

[ripe obsidian]

It's why the shark animatronic in Jaws breaking actually made the movie better

They had to hide it in way more scenes than they'd originally planned

[long wharf]

cinematography, yes

[ripe obsidian]

Which made it more effective

[long wharf]

you don't get that in a book

[ripe obsidian]

I disagree

Showing versus telling versus obscuring is prevalent in all media

[hearty wolf]

I still much prefer books to animation

[hearty wolf]

and that's something animation really struggles with in my opinion

[dull scroll]

It's a matter of definition, because by definition, if a writer can come up with what a character would do to solve an issue, then there is no way that character would be smarter than the writer

by definition

[ripe obsidian]

I find that a lot of Anime reaaaaaally struggles with over-exposition

[hearty wolf]

Well, no. They're going to source ideas from other people

[dull scroll]

right, and that's the exception

[long wharf]

we're not talking about plagiarists

[dull scroll]

especially with AI

[hearty wolf]

o sos

I came into this conversation with 0 context from above

[ripe obsidian]

On a macro level, sure. I can say my character does X, Y, Z to resolve an issue without explaining details. I could look at GoT and the politicking, and how Littlefinger connives offscreen 90% of the time

[hearty wolf]

Just stuck in death screen for 20y and wanted to see whats up

[ripe obsidian]

You can say someone did something successfully without fully explaining how. It's a mark of the author's skill if it's believable or not

[hearty wolf]

"I fucked your mom"

[deft stump]

But some GMs want more than that... And I can't really do that for most part. I guess I'm just forced to play chars that are like me then or uses physical stats way more.

[ripe obsidian]

Good DMs work with you.

[long wharf]

good DMs encourage creative thinking, as well

[ripe obsidian]

A good DM understands that asking any player to be a 24 int character isn't feasible

Like, I often ask my players for a framework of a plan and go from there

Or have them roll Int if they're struggling

[long wharf]

good DMs understand that everybody at the table, including the DM, is there to tell a story together and have fun

[ripe obsidian]

Cool, rolled 18 int, you got this. Here's a potential solution

[long wharf]

a good table isn't players vs DM

[jovial juniper]

Uh
Demogorgon on Stranger Things 1
Question mark
Idk I never watched stranger things

[deft stump]

Till the party crashes and burns the GM's plans so hard...

XD

[long wharf]

well, that happens

[ripe obsidian]

See: the last 5.5 years of my campaign

[long wharf]

people are creative by nature

[ripe obsidian]

I play the role of Frustrated DM when my players upend my plans. But they know it's a role, and everyone has fun

[long wharf]

it's on the GM to shepherd the players when necessary

[weary idol]

I do this to the GM's combat plans in Lancer

[vestal trench]

so much they made a character embodying it

hello jjba speedwagon

[ripe obsidian]

I also have the benefit of a super experienced table. I think everyone at my table has like 10+ years of TTRPG experience. 20+ in at least one case

[vestal trench]

i wanna play more ttrpgs but d&d being the most popular one means finding other games hard

ig i could try pathfinder

[ripe obsidian]

Pathfinder > D&D always

[vestal trench]

im burnt out on world of darkness/vtm

i wanna try cyberpunk red tho

[deft stump]

You mean, one shotting bosses without even starting combat due to Extreme nonsense we did.

[weary idol]

No more like

Having a very single minded vengeance labeled at any hostile NPC labeled "controller" in the book

And knowing the jank RAW of the system

[ripe obsidian]

I think my party has beaten my last three Big Bosses without proper combat because they spend like 2 full sessions planning every move. =|

[weary idol]

Very funny things occur when you realize that you can voluntarily move yourself involuntarily

And thus not trigger reactions

[long wharf]

you play 4e?

[weary idol]

No the TTRPGs I've played are uh

Dark Heresy, Lancer, Pathfinder 2e, and D&D 5e

[deft stump]

Also, GM forgot he lets me insta kill anything we didn't like once a week anyway... Assuming it doesn't die from sheer overwhelming force.

When you put 3 minmaxxers, 1 newbie, and a roleplayer in a party.

We made sure the newbie's char worked.

[long wharf]

this sounds like a very confused table

[ripe obsidian]

Well, my party is level 21 now, and because I traumatized them so much at low levels, they're afraid to fight anything now. Joke's on me, though, because I can't design encounters hard enough to challenge them with all the minmaxxing and the OP homebrew shit I give them

I am significantly better at RP and plot than I am at running combat

[pale prairie]

I mean my player just used a wish spell (deck of many things) to destroy the equivalent of the infinity stones in my 3 year campaign….i am having to adjust

[long wharf]

you could easily have just not allowed that

[pale prairie]

The real problem is combat takes soooooo long at that level

[deft stump]

But what fun is that?

[long wharf]

well, not letting the setting be absolutely broken is also the GM's responsibility

[pale prairie]

Eh it was creative use of a wish. Means they can’t wish someone to be alive

[deft stump]

I mean, you can break a world just having a pocket space the size of france.

INF FARMING WORKS.

[pale prairie]

See the jokes on them cause instead of having to destroy gems that are being used to focus magic and summon Tiamat it’s now her chained up firstborn greater wyrm children. Be careful they bite

[long wharf]

only if you shove a bag of holding into it

[deft stump]

No, it's part of a race.

[gray juniper]

Hold up so there’s an anime satire of anime out there?

[deft stump]

They get basically nothing but the ability to go to their pocket space the size of france.

They have inf invisible servants there and such.

And the world changes to their whims.

[pale prairie]

The disastrous life of Saiki K?

[deft stump]

I made it FARMLANDS GALORE.

With a mansion in the middle.

[pale prairie]

That kind of sounds homebrew broken

[deft stump]

The campaign was on a desert planet.

We just solved food problems.

[pale prairie]

Lmao

[deft stump]

China style.

[pale prairie]

Wait who put this person in charge

Where was the invisible people vote?

[vestal trench]

feels like a chicken and egg situation for that char tbh

[paper oriole]

After trying pathfinder 2e I am not going back, system feels much better

[ripe obsidian]

One might even say, a plantation.

[pale prairie]

Time for them to rebel and begin invisibly assassinating people

[vestal trench]

overexplaining char becomes mascot for overexplaining

[deft stump]

Invisible servants is like a spell.

[ripe obsidian]

I want to move to 2e for my next campaign. Just would be too much work to port everything over from 5e right now

[long wharf]

I haven't played PF2e yet, I played PF1 for years, and I played Starfinder 1 for a little

there are action economy issues with Starfinder

[pale prairie]

Yeah and I am saying they deserve representation in the political arena that decides their fates /s

[deft stump]

I mean, we did end up offering cheaper food than the people with arable land. So... We just won over most of the world with that.

[pale prairie]

It’s like better thought out and optimized pf1. Still can be math heavy and a little complicated for newer players but a lot more freedom in character builds

[deft stump]

Can't complain when you can now afford to eat steak.

[pale prairie]

Oh people can still complain

[deft stump]

Would you be mad if someone offers you a whole wagyu steak for like $20?

[paper oriole]

I recommend pf2 wholeheartedly, especially if you play online - it goes really fast and you avoid people spacing out mid combat

[deft stump]

And I'm talking the better stuff?

[pale prairie]

I mean personally no but I feel like people are really good at complaining and being shortsighted kind of the best at it

[deft stump]

When you used to eat things like scorpions and desert worms?

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/letter-kenny-wayne-dont-fuck-with-tradition-katy-gif-14523336

[candid temple]

wdym, used to?

🦂

[deft stump]

IF you catch any without dying.

[pale prairie]

Great protein

The desert mother culls the weak and leaves the tribe stronger

[deft stump]

I guess they could...

[pale prairie]

Fate and destiny is all

[deft stump]

EXCEPT, she farmed GIANT worms as well.

Less effort, more protein.

For those with an actual tight budget.

[upper sun]

you ate WHAT

[candid temple]

that's my problem with d&d and other non-grimdark worlds, where there's no downsides to magic

[deft stump]

D&D campaign.

[candid temple]

you can easily solve most global problems

[paper oriole]

If you are allergic to it or goes against your religion? 🤔

[candid temple]

and usher in a post-scarcity world

usually I just try to ignore that part and turn into a bear.

[deft stump]

I just picked a race with no bonuses other that haha funni private dimension.

[long wharf]

this is only possible in poorly designed magic systems

and tends to happen when GMs ignore material costs

[deft stump]

Then you can have pork.

XD

Or chicken.

Or well, giant bugs.

[candid temple]

Ignore Material Components exists though.

[paper oriole]

Vegans and vegetarians are being left out

[candid temple]

It's in epic, but legal.

[deft stump]

There's fruits and vegetables as well.

It's farmlands.

The size of france.

[ripe obsidian]

As in, materials in a component pouch/replaced by a magical focus, or materials with a gold cost associated?

[gray juniper]

The food bar machine from snowpiercer

[candid temple]

But yes, d20 magic system is not that amazing.

[deft stump]

Joke is, there's no extra magic going on.

[upper sun]

1-2 mael anyone in?

[long wharf]

depending on the system (and version), that is generally limited to low-level spells

[long wharf]

both

[candid temple]

Ignore Material Components [Epic]
Prerequisites

Eschew Materials, Spellcraft 25 ranks, ability to cast 9th-level arcane or divine spells.
Benefit

You may cast spells without any material components. This feat does not affect the need for a focus or divine focus.
Was talking about d20 specifically.

[long wharf]

well, that's the Epic version for, what, 5e?

[ripe obsidian]

I mean, D&D explicitly states that an arcane focus replaces the need for material components without a gold cost. Unless something changed

[candid temple]

3.5

[long wharf]

gotcha

[deft stump]

5e is like 20 lvls.

THere is a third party thing to double the lvls, but that's about it.

[gray juniper]

Btw that picture reminds me of ruiner

Anyone played ruiner?

[paper oriole]

Very red shoter?

[hearty wolf]

Ruiner nergigante?

yes

@ripe obsidian @strong gulch am redi to play game soon

[wind wind]

Be me, playing melee psyker for the first time

Randoms die all one by one , leave me to Clutch on a class i hate with a build i hardly know
...

Ofc i die

But at least i died last

[ripe obsidian]

Works for me. I am being a Bad Employee today. Did like 2 hours of work, and now I say that work is dumb. >:(

[gray juniper]

Oh no, I’m referring to a small studio video game that came out called ruiner

[hearty wolf]

I quietly quit today

I made a cup of tea

Walked around the office and spoke to everyone

Went to the toilet

Realised I had no tea

Then I made a cup of tea

Repeat

[gray juniper]

Yes. Made in… your’s truly, Poland

[hearty wolf]

O

[ripe obsidian]

I approve.

[jovial juniper]

Chat
What should I play today

[ripe obsidian]

I work from home most Mondays and Fridays, so I woke up late, fixed one thing, and have been lazy since.

[ripe obsidian]

No keystone, no upgraded ability psyker. Is that possible?

[gray juniper]

Better

[ripe obsidian]

Lemme find out

[jovial juniper]

I mean
You still have access to Soulstealer and shit

It's not going to be abysmal

Fully abysmal

That is

[gray juniper]

Potato says you have to play a game no talents

[ripe obsidian]

Here you go. Something like this.

[gray juniper]

It’s the event

[strong gulch]

Yes. People have been running no talents today.

[jovial juniper]

I didn't learn that one on my guitar

https://tenor.com/view/monster-versus-vs-alien-monster-vs-alien-gif-16037253809360562033

No like

https://youtu.be/50_Yn0B_9nU?si=ptkO-TKGEaki4sE_

[strong gulch]

Kk

Just waiting for this last pour.

[jovial juniper]

Wtf

Ah hell nah

It has left-left side on

[ripe obsidian]

Coward

[jovial juniper]

And no Splitting?!?!?

[ripe obsidian]

oh, oops

that wasn't intentional

[jovial juniper]

And make sure to get unlucky for some

[strong gulch]

I can send a random build in a bit. Keystone, ability, and blitz guaranteed.

[ripe obsidian]

Here you go.

[jovial juniper]

Now this is some exquisite shit

https://tenor.com/view/mmmm-amazed-food-reaction-yum-unbelievable-gif-13615077130894613573

[ripe obsidian]

This one is symmetrical

[gray juniper]

(Unlucky for everyone)

[pale prairie]

My favorite thing is the cooldown aura for the ability that doesn’t exist. I guess it’s the newbie scream?

[ripe obsidian]

It would be the basic, 10% quell scream

[pale prairie]

Lmao

[vestal trench]

ruiner is fucking sick

[paper oriole]

I had no idea, it is nice to hear something was created in you nation 🙂

[vestal trench]

if you liked the gameplay of it/hotline miami/other twitchy topdown shooters, try otxo

otxo soundtrack FUCKS

it's hard though i havent finished it yet

[ripe obsidian]

Does it need a doctor?

[gray juniper]

This sounds like the perfect ruined follow up

[ripe obsidian]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPQIpqZFQD0

Here is a song for people. May it bring you joy.

[vestal trench]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-viUOi9RywE

[gray juniper]

It’s terminally goated

[vestal trench]

god this reminds me, i gotta pick hades back up

[hearty wolf]

What are you crafting

[hearty wolf]

Mm. I'm a big fan of hotline Miami so that might sell it for me.

[ripe obsidian]

Hotline Miami is great. Hotline Miami 2 made me ragequit.

[hearty wolf]

Was it the army sections

[strong gulch]

Wax seals. I used the beads from the jar that people wanted to eat.

I am done now

[hearty wolf]

Oh yes. The enticing gummies

Okie

Do we have fourth

[vestal trench]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rF8pdlKs3E

it's a roguelike too

[ripe obsidian]

I can't recall. I just remember that HM2 felt super unfun and unfairly punishing compared with the first one. Like, when I died in the first one, I felt like I had made a mistake and saw how I could improve. When I died in the second, I felt like the game was just doing "gotcha" kills that I couldn't reasonably react to.

Could be that I was in a bad mood when I was playing it, dunno

[vestal trench]

map design in 2 is worse than 1 especially with the enemy sightlines

the pardo mission on the boat was the first big offender for me

[hearty wolf]

Ooo

[strong gulch]

Not that I know of.

[hearty wolf]

Is possible but I think I agree with Mr Azno

[wind wind]

I hate the one man down cascade...

We were doing fine as a group of 4 . Then one died and we barely survived. Then i made a mistake and died aswell. And the remaining to got crusher'd and burgled....

All because that one disphit had to ragequit because he died.

I hate hate hate hate hate these people.

May all their Lithium Batteries get angry pillow syndrom

[hearty wolf]

Game is a bit harder and it punishes you more often with things off screen

[ripe obsidian]

I dislike being punished with things offscreen in a game where being aware of your surroundings is the key.

"Ha, you succeeded at everything you can see. Now die by this cheap shot."

[hearty wolf]

Yuh

[vestal trench]

i think the evan mission in the subway was like that too

i dont think i ever did the evan missions pacifist lmao

[hearty wolf]

It's more of a map knowledge check and then pray to god the mob actually aggro'd and try to mitigate it the best you can

[wind wind]

I once got the double dog silent burster special

[vestal trench]

more of my souls game salt

hm2 knowledge check bad but souls knowledge check good?

curious

crazy what a cult of personality will excuse

[hearty wolf]

I still think souls games are shit

Like I'm playing Elden ring right now

[vestal trench]

MY MAN

[hearty wolf]

And it's fun

But I think it's a bad game

It's like 7 days to die

[ripe obsidian]

There is no way to have the map knowledge without dying at least once or looking it up beforehand. Which, to me, is bad design. Forced deaths in any game are pretty bad design, imo.

[ripe obsidian]

To hearken back to D&D, I have Strong Opinions on fights designed for the players to lose in TTRPGs.

[hearty wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/theoffice-michael-scott-jim-halpert-gif-27622036

[ripe obsidian]

If, without prior knowledge, you put your players in a situation where they cannot survive or win a fight, you introduce shitty feelings.

[hearty wolf]

Forced loss for narrative reasons or?

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah

It sucks

0/10 game design

[hearty wolf]

I think it's fine if it's to introduce a big bad

[ripe obsidian]

It's different if your players have knowledge that a fight is not winnable and then initiate anyway

[hearty wolf]

Ah

[ripe obsidian]

But shit like, "To advance the narrative, you have to lose and go to jail," fuck that

[hearty wolf]

I mean I think it's fine if players initiate and then learn it's unwinnable - provided there is some semblance of a way for them to try and escape

I listen to this series called "Girls who don't DnD"

[vestal trench]

yeah as a never dm thatd be the most important part for me

[hearty wolf]

And it's written pretty well

[ripe obsidian]

Problem is, most players don't retreat. Especially new players.

[vestal trench]

also i find it funny how sin referred to my username and refused to acknowledge the cursed names i have

[ripe obsidian]

In my early days DMing, I tried some unwinnable fights or fights where players are meant to retreat

They never do. They fight to the death and get frustrated.

[hearty wolf]

I think it's also a matter of the audience

Like if you have one person with solid gaming instructs

Instincts

[vestal trench]

thats true six

[hearty wolf]

And their party members trust them

Then it's fine

[vestal trench]

although funnily enough

classic rpg playeers tend to go combat first

[hearty wolf]

But if you have some bozos who don't have the best decision making, you need to protect them from themselves

[vestal trench]

meanwhile immersive sim players will take a hint

[strong gulch]

I'm eepy

[hearty wolf]

I.e unwinnable fight but a friendly NPC steps in the way before death

[hearty wolf]

Aw. Want to eep?

[ripe obsidian]

Immersive sim players have to be cleverer, in most cases.

[strong gulch]

no

[ripe obsidian]

Can't easily combat your way through Thief

[vestal trench]

did not realize thief is an imsim

[ripe obsidian]

I'd say it is

[vestal trench]

i wanna get into imsims more but ive never been the biggest fan of stealth

until i got into intravenous

[ripe obsidian]

I mean, something like System Shock or Deus Ex is the archetypal immersive sim

[vestal trench]

but even then stealth falls apart late game there

[ripe obsidian]

But I'd say Thief fits the mold

[vestal trench]

the only ones i've played a lot were streets of rogue, cruelty squad, and eye divine cybermancy

[ripe obsidian]

Unfortunately, most immersive sims have given way to open world games that are way less polished

The last good AAA immersive sim I can recall is Prey

Cruelty Squad is a fascinating game

[vestal trench]

i highly recommend streets of rogue btw

sequel out soon too

[ripe obsidian]

EYE is a memorable, janky game that I do not think reached its potential

[hearty wolf]

https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1162146315392786612

[hearty wolf]

Heard of this. Mm.

[ripe obsidian]

gimme like 10 minutes to clean my teeth and put my invisalign thing back in.

[vestal trench]

average imsim experience

[hearty wolf]

I want to finish Stellar Blade but it doesn't make me horny enough to give me the motivation to continue

[vestal trench]

as someone who got hooked on cyberpunk mostly bc of panam...yea

i have no interest in stellar blade i just relate with the sentiment

[hearty wolf]

Games installed currently and I just won't touch most of them xd

[vestal trench]

whod u main in ror2

[hearty wolf]

Huntress in beta/1.0 and then railgunner

But Bandit is home

Won't play anything but Bandit now

[vestal trench]

i played merc/arti early on then railgunner too lmao

loader is fun but loader feels like playing loader, not ror

[hearty wolf]

Oh I was enjoying uh

[vestal trench]

idk if that makes sense

[hearty wolf]

Lotus person

Though didn't touch much

[vestal trench]

rex?

[hearty wolf]

Noe the new one

That can revive allies

Rex is so fucking broken, I don't like playing him

[vestal trench]

o shit i havent tried the new ones

seeker

[hearty wolf]

Same with Mult and engi

Seeker

yes

[vestal trench]

i enjoy the hidden character lmao

heretic

[hearty wolf]

Chef was also kinda fun

[vestal trench]

i wish acrid was more interesting

[hearty wolf]

False son was fun too ig

Acrid is also broken

Very boring and hilariously broken

[vestal trench]

damn if u like experimenting with chars you might actually like streets of rogue fr

[hearty wolf]

Every single difficulty mod I've played that makes the game "impossible"

I just played Acrid

[vestal trench]

it aint as deep mechanics wise but theres enough difference in gameplay between classes that it's fun

[vestal trench]

look at all these playables

[hearty wolf]

E8 on all characters aside from new ones

[vestal trench]

god damn u cracked with it

[hearty wolf]

There's just a learning curve with RoR

[vestal trench]

i have no honor and just used achievement unlock because i hate that i need to do achievements to unlock alt loadout skills

[hearty wolf]

The game used to be much, much harder

Survivors of the void on launch

Was some nightmare fuel

Old school parents and mushrooms 💀

[vestal trench]

did it get easier since?

[hearty wolf]

Yeah it gradually just gets easier and easier

[vestal trench]

i played a few months after railgunner and void weirdo's release

i havent touched any of the new shit

[hearty wolf]

Every run is a guaranteed run in the current iteration of the game unless you get insanely bad luck

[vestal trench]

bruh

idk how i feel about that LMAO

[hearty wolf]

I mean it might just be me

[vestal trench]

i heard very mixed reviews on seekers and thats why i never got around playing again

[hearty wolf]

But the ability to scrap your shit items then find a printer for a good one invalidates the game to me

I think the reviews were mainly at the beginning

Seekers introduced a few game breaking bugs

It was also a retaliation against Gearbox

It's perfectly playable now and would encourage if you enjoy

[vestal trench]

ok fair the printers and the tri-choice item chests definitely made things a lot less rng

sick

i might pick it up when i stop being hyperfixated on darktide

[hearty wolf]

Is good idea, just move from one hyper fixation to the other

and when you get really old like me

Emulate gamecube games or older

Like metroid fusion

What an amazing game

[vestal trench]

lmao my emulation is mostly wrestling games

[hearty wolf]

I was trying to find a AVGN episode where he covered Mike Tyson's punch out

cannot find

[vestal trench]

rip

[hearty wolf]

@strong gulch

@vestal trench want come?

[vestal trench]

sure gimme a min

[strong gulch]

kk

[wind wind]

Fifth mission with melee psyker, first W, no deaths. High int auric damnation ARCHIVUM SYCORAX. Decent team. Slowly getting the hang of it, albeit being still underwhelmed by assail

[jovial juniper]

Took this to havoc

https://tenor.com/view/alright-like-gif-8011336597935493657

Don't let the fact that it was havoc 3 distract you that it was havoc

[hearty wolf]

https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1045852632687849602

[jovial juniper]

[wind wind]

Btw anyone ever using the charged version, alternate fire of assail? Feels like it generates a ridiculous amount of peril for no payoff

[ripe obsidian]

How did it go

[broken aurora]

I've been experimenting with a gun psyker build. Been mostly trying the braced and infantry autoguns and the bolt pistol.

What guns would you reccomend or are best?

[wind wind]

Recon lasguns. Especially the fast one

[jovial juniper]

Nothing happened
It was havoc 3

Nothing ever happens down there

Not even unlucky for some

[broken aurora]

I'll try that thx

[wind wind]

Any gun kinda work, but anything automatic rifle shines best

Ask @weary idol for best advice on matter

[glacial vapor]

I use it for snipers or building peril

[gray juniper]

Ok this looks pretty good. I usually don’t do top downs but for the exceptions. This one looks right

[wispy bay]

Don't be meta slave and use shedder pistol.

[vestal trench]

yeah it hits when you get going

getting a good drink combo for buffs is

[weary idol]

whuh

[gray juniper]

I greatly enjoy the hotline Miami and ruiner soundtrack

[wind wind]

Guy above me wants gun psyker advice. Specifically which gun best to use. Thought your name was an indicator that youre an expert on the topic

[weary idol]

Well the best one would be the Vraks Infantry Autogun

[gray juniper]

Ruiner’s especially is on a whole different dimension of out there and good

[weary idol]

I frequently run Bolt Pistol to make my Assail and Force Greatsword waves deal bleed though

Very useful for getting through enemies that block cleave if you need to thin a crowd

[wind wind]

Makes sense

[weary idol]

Generally as a gun psyker the most you want out of your gun is its boss damage

So the usual suspects for good boss damage (and ammo economy) are the mainstays

[wind wind]

Ive recommend recon lasguns for him as a start

Since they are good at everything

[weary idol]

Recon Lasgun, Laspistol, Vraks Infantry Autogun, and Agri or Zarona combat shotguns

[wind wind]

The psyker gets the combat shotguns?

[weary idol]

yeah

[wind wind]

I only have the sawed off one

Hmmm

I gotta go shopping

Mobility still dumpstat?

[weary idol]

yeah

[wind wind]

The zarona was the flechette special one, right? The one with the wide spread?

The one to use scattershot and deathspitter on, right?

[weary idol]

I run a zarona like this as a meme in aurics

But Full Bore+No Respite is how I'd run it for serious play

Its special shell sucks and isn't worth building around with manstopper shenanigans

But it has the best standard fire of the combat shotguns

Agri however has a very good special shell with excellent damage, utility, and while not as good at boss damage as the Zarona is it's a close enough second

[wind wind]

I dont know If i'll be good enough for meme gameplay on psyker for auric but i'll get one of each and try both

[weary idol]

Plus it gets more ammo

[wind wind]

The dragons breath one was the ugly child almost no one used, right?

[weary idol]

It's useful when Pus-Hardened skin is around

Flechette+Scattershot

Double DoT to ignore the damage reduction

Otherwise don't use it

[wind wind]

I observed that a headshot with the agri slug can knock crushers on their ass.

Funniest shit ive ever seen in game

[weary idol]

it opens bulwark shields which is the important one

[wind wind]

No worries. Have never made it past havoc 25 despite having like 1300 hours in this game

[wind wind]

Noted.

Just got my feet wet with a melee psyker build with force great sword, assail and boltpistol and scriers gaze.

Slowly getting the hang of it. But finally, in a long while, i no longer fear trash hordes with psyker

Figured the best dance is light attacks, lightattack, dodge, lightattack lightattack, block(push), repeat. With scriers gaze active this shredds hordes

[weary idol]

illegal location banned for exploiting

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-swanson-gets-sent-to-the-shadow-realm-gif-12569580727382074039

[wind wind]

Lucky son of an ogryn

[weary crane]

I got up one of the ledges on that map too

Chaos spawn threw me into it

[rigid iris]

I did well but that other psyker did weller

christ

[weary idol]

he's stealing your damage call the police

[rigid iris]

He eated it all

[sinful perch]

Fat ass....

[nova sluice]

best class

why is zealot and arbites more popular

[thorn cedar]

fairly certain veteran remains the most popular class

[jovial juniper]

People get hit
So they don't play the class that can't get hit

[thorn cedar]

if you dont know 40k ,veteran is 'man with gun', which is very approachable
if you do know 40k, they're imperial guard, which is cool apparently?

[jovial juniper]

Aka skill issue

[thorn cedar]

psyker is otherwise not very intuitive for most players

[hearty wolf]

Despite the sabotage

We almost win

Overheaded twice that game tho f

[strong gulch]

F

[hearty wolf]

One from mauler behind since trauma launched it past me and I wanted to hold it

that other one was crusher behind while I tried to kill DH for you

Was probably too used to us doing 2-2 splits with one person managing the horde

I forgor not everyone does this

[ripe obsidian]

I am the traitor.

[hearty wolf]

no is ok

Is my bad for forgetting that's a thing

I was thinking it was risky but I was staring at CD timer

I forgot the reason it was risky wasn't just from the front is all

[strong gulch]

Was fun tho

[hearty wolf]

yeee

I think I will try more lone wolf ig

It's definitely nowhere near as strong

[strong gulch]

My targeting was getting worse by the end.

Lesser shooters get fecked up on surge tho.

I mean EK

[hearty wolf]

ye I found them pretty much locked down that game

Our pathing was horrible though the entire game

like correct concept but execution was a bit fluffy

whatever, am hap. Was low brain activity and fun

[ripe obsidian]

I was trying to stem the tide from the open door, but it was a doomed effort

[strong gulch]

I forgot that trauma can do this.

[hearty wolf]

Hax

[jovial juniper]

Lore accurate psyker

[potent echo]

wow

[strong gulch]

If a teammate is dogged above you and you have trauma, you can undog them.

[potent echo]

People still do upstairs? It's like a death sentence (for the whole team)

[lime sapphire]

Im assuming warp slice is still bad for the BFG?

Havent looked into it since release

[analog verge]

not great

it sounds awesome, i wish it was

[lime sapphire]

Figured so, thanks

[analog verge]

dear fatshark, please add a blessing that makes the beam slash happen on every attack

or you will in your next life a cow on a trash farm

[stable silo]

flak/crit inferno staff or should i do like unyielding carpace or something ?

[sinful perch]

I usually do flak and unyielding cus iirc all monstrosities fall under unyielding

Is it viable? I don't know, but on damnnation it's fine

I might not be bursting down bosses but the DoT is very decent

[analog agate]

Flak unyielding is the usual nowadays

[sinful perch]

Wonderful I am a genius

Does the armor perk also apply to the DoT of the fire I'm guessing?

[ripe obsidian]

Yes.

Whatever weapon you're wielding affects soulblaze

[sinful perch]

Does it have to be the one to apply it though? Could I in theory swap to my melee to have it use those perks instead?

[ripe obsidian]

Yes

You can do that

Or swap to melee for Uncanny or whatever else

[sinful perch]

That's kinda funny

I guess that means having carapace on my sword means it's doubly worth spraying down crushers with fire

[weary idol]

or force greatsword since the wave goes through walls

[strong gulch]

ye was just about trauma go through floors for some reason

grenade things

[wispy bay]

Vstrike can do it sometimes with 80 blast.

Blast damage is meh, but it does push enemy away.

[severe folio]

i had no problem acquiring a purgatus, a nomanus, a FGS or a FS with peak stat

but why is this VS eluding meeee

[sinful perch]

I cursed you

[hearty wolf]

Game is trying to protect you

[vestal trench]

do one damnation game
everyone leaving on one down

[dull scroll]

the power of fire

https://tenor.com/view/armored-core-ac-rubicon-armored-core-gif-27638340

[spiral storm]

high damage with the inferno staff?

impossible

[severe folio]

why not

flaming everything and theyll start ticking the clock down

[spiral storm]

https://tenor.com/view/why-isnt-it-posssible-its-just-not-american-psycho-gif-26353597

[severe folio]

whats uncanny is

obscurus blaze force

why that mark

[spiral storm]

It's strong

Heavy attacks do high damage

[severe folio]

what is it strong point ?

[wispy bay]

Speed and damage

[severe folio]

huh

[spiral storm]

It actually beats the deimos in heavy attack damage I think

I could be wrong

[severe folio]

i see

[wispy bay]

Deimos H2 has more damage.

[severe folio]

i thought the deimos is the designated single target killer

with the stabby heavy

[spiral storm]

it is

[wispy bay]

Deimos is high damage and stagger.

[spiral storm]

what was the attack chain on the deimos?

could you access h2 from push attack?

[wispy bay]

Obscurus is pure dps.

[severe folio]

i think you stab once with the light and then heavy

[jovial juniper]

It is but Obscurus is faster

Deimos is safer

[wispy bay]

L1 > H2

[severe folio]

ah i see

i would imagine if you go with purgatus you would want to pair it with something like deimos instead

for your elite killing need

[spiral storm]

eh?

Purgatus already kills everything

[wispy bay]

Obscurus has more dps. Deimos is if you need stagger, which inferno can already do.

[spiral storm]

maybe they took obscurus for monster damage

[severe folio]

i see

[spiral storm]

the force swords need to get some reworks

[severe folio]

i mean, purgatus killing everything yes

but like

crusher and bulwark

[wispy bay]

They are like Sniper rifle vs DMR.

[spiral storm]

regular heay attacks deal similar damage to specials

[severe folio]

or charger

[spiral storm]

crushers and bulwarks also die to purgatus

[severe folio]

really

thats crazy

[wispy bay]

Deimos hit harder, but slower, so less DPS.

[spiral storm]

mutants you can just give them a quick slap from the heavy from either mk

[dull scroll]

it's the best blessing, a god send 😌

[severe folio]

no i mean

[dull scroll]

it's a armor pen self-buff

[severe folio]

the uncanny was

obscurus for me

because when i was still around i didnt hear nobody use obscurus

it was either deimos or illisis

[wispy bay]

Uncanny goes with any mark.

[severe folio]

yeah

[dull scroll]

nobody uses it because nobody have to, ds was king

now with this new havoc

[wispy bay]

Old Obscurus was still doing similar damage, but they made the move set more useful.

[dull scroll]

shooters will fuck you up, and there are armies of elites with very little room to maneuver

[vestal trench]

https://youtu.be/CfQvmicdYoM obscurus gang

[dull scroll]

deflector and force push is too valuable

[wispy bay]

That Combustion carried that test.

[severe folio]

can you tell me how is the new havok helping obscurus, when deflector and force push is available to the 2 other model as well ?

[dull scroll]

illisi is for chaff clearing, bad single target, not needed

[severe folio]

make sense, wouldnt pair it with purgatus

[dull scroll]

deimos while having an insane H2, is very awakward to get to that H2

[vestal trench]

fair tho i think it shows the dps well enough

[wispy bay]

Deimos meets red elite, can't stun them.

[vestal trench]

i also just find obscurus' combo more intuitive than block canceling after the double stab on deimos

i'll still run deimos if i feel i need a lil more safety tho

[dull scroll]

Obscurus's single target combo is very good, only slightly below ds

[severe folio]

i should take a visit at the obscurus again

[dull scroll]

so it takes the cake

[severe folio]

how exactly did they change obscurus ?

[wispy bay]

In Havoc, you don't kite the enemy, you kill them. Otherwise, they spawn almost endlessly.

Deimos is strong in auric because you can drag the fight forever.

[dull scroll]

heh, regi there's got gaze on and 15 stack of dd, fgs can do even better 😏

still, it does show that ob is up there with the best

[vestal trench]

oh for sure LOL

[severe folio]

thats really good

[vestal trench]

FGS the GOAT

[severe folio]

i love it when weapons goes up

[vestal trench]

https://tenor.com/view/kittew-gif-23901607

[severe folio]

even if other weapons goes higher

[wispy bay]

I still run Illisi for the stroking sometimes.

[dull scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/jaketick-turtle-massage-gif-14955716

[severe folio]

is the obscurus now a mix of the other 2 model

or is it a whole thing of its own

serving a 3rd purpose

[spiral storm]

obscurus is mainly for elites

you could still swing into a horde, just gotta dodge good

[wispy bay]

This

[severe folio]

i see

thats very nice

[spiral storm]

3rd purpose?

[dull scroll]

it's a strong single target dps melee, which is what you need to round out most psyker builds

[severe folio]

yeah 3rd purpose

illisis for that horde sweep

deimos for that funny crusher tackle

because deimos can still knock crusher around with the stab right ?

[spiral storm]

ye

[dull scroll]

you can also range crusher tackle with any of the force swords using the force push

very good

[spiral storm]

learning the force push knocked over pretty much anything was a game changer

[severe folio]

wait what

[spiral storm]

yeah any of the force swords can knock over crushers

[severe folio]

force push knock over those orgyns now ?

[dull scroll]

if you hit them multiple times I believe

[wispy bay]

Deimos light is also better to kill trash than Obscurus. Though it doesn't matter that much using them with Inferno.

[spiral storm]

and inferno is the current meta staff

[dull scroll]

but generally ones is good, light stagger is enough

[severe folio]

yeah you dont really use deimos light to kill horde if youre holding purgatus

and wow

i remember when VS was called the meta

i am so glad that the staff i stick with all these years become the new psyker face

im sure theyre using scrier gaze with the purgatus instead of that cringy bubble right ?

[spiral storm]

nah, bubble still the usual choice

[severe folio]

fuk

[spiral storm]

scriers gaze adding a shit load of damage isn't like...

necesarry

[dull scroll]

bubble is the safest choice, the strongest is vent

[severe folio]

the scrier gaze choice wouldnt actually be for the damage tbh

[wispy bay]

VStrike? I don't remember it to be meta beside the 1st few months of the game with the old talent system.

[severe folio]

it would be for the crit

why crit on purgatus ?

[spiral storm]

your purgatus will kill anything that isn't a monster like 5 seconds

[severe folio]

because with crit and constant hit from the flame throwing

[dull scroll]

gaze purgus isn't horrible, but it's nowhere near vent for damage

[severe folio]

you basically dont get hit with bullet while your flame throwing

[spiral storm]

you already crit a shit load

[severe folio]

with what

nexus ?

[spiral storm]

yes

[severe folio]

huh

[spiral storm]

and all the other talents

[wispy bay]

Inferno is not as crit depend as EK.

[spiral storm]

poor EK

[severe folio]

time to modify my scrier purgatus then

[spiral storm]

just make a new loadout

[dull scroll]

EK with gaze now will rip through auric

[severe folio]

i already max out on my load out

and its not like its different from resetting a loadout

[dull scroll]

the newly buffed gaze allows for infinite warp unbound uptime

[spiral storm]

purgatus got a new(?) blessing that gives brittleness to targets from direct hits

[severe folio]

yeah blaze away right ?

[spiral storm]

so that combined with burn stacks combined with crits you can kill crushers now

where as you used to only be able to kill maulers

[severe folio]

ahh i see

[wispy bay]

You don't get as much value out of unbound from Infernos vs EK.

[dull scroll]

tbh that PF blessing is kinda a bait

[wispy bay]

Attack to slow to make that max crit useful.

[dull scroll]

as for killing crushers with inferno, so long as you put enough stack on them, go bonk any enemy with uncanny melee 5 times and all crusher dies

[spiral storm]

that too

but that mostly applies to havoc scaling

[severe folio]

how many stacks is enough

the stack cap is 16 right ?

[wispy bay]

31

[spiral storm]

31

[severe folio]

😮

did they increase it

[dull scroll]

16 is what you can reach with just the staff

[severe folio]

oh

[dull scroll]

31 is the hard cap

you only get to 31 with vent and PC

[severe folio]

how the hell do you go to 31

oh pc and vent

right ofc

and nobody talk about wildfire in front of me

[weary idol]

wildfire is a good dps increase due to the exponential nature of soulblaze stacks

giving you a stronger starter into new enemies to avoid having to ramp damage again

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/982944904080687107/1322327279900168245/attachment.gif

[wispy bay]

Wild fire is not meaningful outside of trash mobs and KF trigger.

[weary idol]

oh man trash mobs

the entire point of the inferno staff

[dull scroll]

in theory, in practice WF's useless decrease as you have more source of warpfire

[weary idol]

Suppose you're right that only being useful into them is mid

[dull scroll]

example been WF's very good on blazing VB, but actually very bad on inferno vent

and mid with inferno bubble

but intuitively people usually think more warpfire = WF even better

[severe folio]

have they change how wildfire work

does it still split only 4 fire stacks to other enemy

[spiral storm]

does soul drinker only trigger on burn deaths

or does an enemy dying to direct hits count as well?

[dull scroll]

think it's any death, so long as they die with warpfire stacks on them

[weary idol]

any time an enemy with soulblaze on them dies

HOWEVER

It cannot retrigger itself

[severe folio]

reason why i think WF is still bad mostly because the amount of warpfire it spread around are so pitiful

[weary idol]

It has to run its full duration before proccing again

[dull scroll]

which is why it's best on blazing VB, you aren't spreading it for the damage, you spreading it in hopes you will proc KF

[wispy bay]

WF has a cap on number of target and stack.

[severe folio]

a stronger starter into new enemy yeah, but it’s a negligible stronger isn’t it ?

[wispy bay]

So like 4 stacks total. If there are 4 enemies around, then each of them gets 1 stack.

[severe folio]

ah okay

so its still work the way i remember

[wispy bay]

So it only strong if you use big soul blaze starter in the first place for it to be useful.

If you have a continuous soul blaze like inferno, then it is borderline meaningless.

[severe folio]

they really need to buff it

[dull scroll]

they need to remove that 4 stack cap 😏

[wispy bay]

It is still pretty funny with Vent and KF.

[severe folio]

I AGREE

LET US SEE THE CASCADING SEA OF BLUE FLAME

31 stacks of warp fire jumping throughout the entire map until everything is corpse starch crisp

[dull scroll]

unfortunately it spread the stacks around averaging it out 😒

[severe folio]

i am

fine with that

because then that means i have a reason to use it on purgatus

let it average out the psyzillion warp fire i pour out

[dull scroll]

but, stack is stack so long as some transfers it's golden 😌

[severe folio]

well i want it to transfer more

[spiral storm]

let out boy psyker have combat shotgun

[severe folio]

?

but we have combat shotgun

[spiral storm]

it would be funny

[dull scroll]

it transfers everything, just averges out if more mobs around, if just 2 and one has 31 stacks, then that 31 gets transfered wholesale to the second guy

[spiral storm]

wait am I just trippin then

nvm i'm trippin

[severe folio]

let it transfer 31 stacks into 31 enemies each with 1 is just fine for me

[spiral storm]

I'mma go run shotgun scriers now

gonna speed boost myself into a crusher overhead and leave

[severe folio]

but the vital thing is just, that number 4 needs to be gone or be higher to a respectable level

the number 4 right now limit way too much

the amount of burning enemy, all the fire stacks you generate

just, gone and turn into 4

itd be great to have a blitz that just apply max warpfire stacks into 1 enemy in the game

[spiral storm]

remove the 4 max limit

no more max 4 blaze stacks

no more 4 rejects

no more only 4 chaos gods

[deft stump]

There's at least 6.

[spiral storm]

oh my mistake

no more only 4 *major chaos gods

[severe folio]

the other chaos gods will give me the other warpfire stacks im missing

rainbow fire

[spiral storm]

The tau chaos god would set the cap to 0 then tell you to go and talk out your differences

[deft stump]

That Tau Chaos God nolonger exists in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...

[plucky flax]

Karien spreading chaos propaganda?

[pale prairie]

The true back story of Wolfer’s fall

[deft stump]

Old news?

[plucky flax]

Pls no flame

[deft stump]

Patpats.

[plucky flax]

I don't need your carry next week.

[deft stump]

What happened?

[plucky flax]

[plucky flax]

You're too pro for me.

[deft stump]

EXCUSE ME? WDYM? I DON'T EVEN REALLY PLAY H40. STOP GASLIGHTING REEEEEEEEEEEE

[marble crater]

First thing I see when coming online is the pro flaming the people she carries again

[deft stump]

I was provoked!

[plucky flax]

Its typical karien.

She knows shes better than everyone else.

[deft stump]

I AM NAWT!

[marble crater]

[pine shore]

I just lost my blitz

am I like out of shards to throw or what?

I can't use my blitz

[plucky flax]

Press tab.

[deft stump]

Spam tab or back. Sometimes, once isn't enough.

Then reeeeeeeeeeee at Fatshark.

[pine shore]

press tab to borrow some shards from the 2nd psyker because I'm out

[deft stump]

Wait, always reeeeeeeeeeee at Fatshark.

[median pilot]

Okay, gotta ask abt weapon mastery, if I were to switch characters to a new one, I'm guessing all weapon mastery is different than my other, just wanna know what will happen

[tulip kettle]

no weapon mastery is retained between characters

so whatever mastery level you have obtained and whatever blessings you have unlocked carry over to other characters with access to that weapon

[median pilot]

Ah, good

Welp, guess I should start just leveling up everything after I level up my main weapons

[gray juniper]

Good afternoon Mr. 6 hour time zone difference

It’s a wonderful quiet morning here

[marble crater]

@deft stump@gray juniper the Gamesir cult is growing https://youtube.com/shorts/9eQL7PDFPOA

[deft stump]

As said, you'll kill the bumpers first.

[marble crater]

No, you will kill the bumpers first

[deft stump]

[marble crater]

[deft stump]

[plucky flax]

[deft stump]

Morning.

[gray juniper]

Right under commissar’s nose

Morning!

Kitty woke me up doing her usual thing

I get walked on and forced pats until agreeing to feed

[radiant frigate]

kay-oss why are you lewd

[plucky flax]

Oh hai.

[hearty wolf]

It's Saturday

[plucky flax]

Wait I'm lewd how?

[gray juniper]

It says so right there

[severe folio]

quick question since when did purgatus become meta exactly

[deft stump]

Kay-oss is Slaaneshi as well, it seems.

[severe folio]

because i really dont recall when i was around that it was considered meta

[gray juniper]

I never doubted it

[marble crater]

Always has been, Blaze Away blessing definitely helped though

[deft stump]

Havoc mass+Inf cleave=??? Profit.

[severe folio]

i see

then

since havoc ?

or earlier than that

[gray juniper]

Btw don’t get clowned by that guy last night who more or less said “wildfire is meaningless” word for word

[severe folio]

i am the one who propagate the idea that wildfire is meaningless

[gray juniper]

Then you are wrong friend

[severe folio]

elaborate

[gray juniper]

On a left side tree, you likely have talent choices remaining that don’t include damage if you choose not to pick it up

[plucky flax]

Since blaze away + havoc release patch.

[severe folio]

i could pick PA

instead of Wildfire

unless thats not what you mean

[gray juniper]

That should probably be a mandatory rather than an option already

[severe folio]

true

[gray juniper]

Aura is something you can’t afford to pass up if you’re on the left side

[severe folio]

though on the left side

if PA is mandatory

WF is a lot less better than something else you can pick

its just the way it function

that unless your build use warpfire without purgatus, the amount of warpfire it could transfer around is so meager

[plucky flax]

I like it.

[severe folio]

well why do you like it

[gray juniper]

From my understanding, if an enemy dies from that single or double stack, the stack keeps getting passed

[plucky flax]

It makes getting to 15 stacks easier.

[severe folio]

the stack keep getting passed yeah but you have to remember it only carry around 4 stacks

and i recall 4 stacks cant kill anything from tip top

[plucky flax]

So do you want enemies to start at 4 stacks or not. If not dont pick wildfire.

I've done 1 mil soulblaze damage alone with just creeping flames pc and wildfire on surge staff

• another mil from range damage.

[severe folio]

between starting at 4 stacks and starting at 0 stacks, it makes no difference to purgatus

and yeah im not picking it

im just talking to Med right now

[plucky flax]

Of course it does. You kill things faster

[deft stump]

Thing is, ignoring one of the best psykers is weird.

[gray juniper]

I think there is a typo in this because I don’t quite understand

[severe folio]

yeah there was typo on that sorry

i dont think 4 stacks of warp fire is gonna kill anything at top health

[plucky flax]

Its not useless is all

No but it's like a boost

[severe folio]

i think its pretty useless for the purgatus

[gray juniper]

To clarify, it can’t kill anything strong. It will definitely kill chaff on its own repeatedly

[plucky flax]

Okay fair.

[gray juniper]

And chaos is one of the people that taught me everything that made me better. He’s one of the best there is

I’d definitely take in his advice

[plucky flax]

No you should play how you want.

[severe folio]

will it really kill chaff with the 4 stacks of warp fire it carry around

[plucky flax]

I like the talent a lot of people dont.

We both win so is good.

[gray juniper]

Ofc everyone should, but chaos advice is solid advice

[marble crater]

Listen to UnsanctionedPsyker instead, Chaos is a noob who gets carried by Karien the Carry

[plucky flax]

It won't kill anything at 4 stacks but youre not stopping your attack

[deft stump]

UnsanctionedPsyker is Chaos!

[plucky flax]

Its as I said. Things streaming on start at 4 or at 0

They start at 4 so they die faster with wildfire.

And it spreads through walls too

[marble crater]

🙄

[severe folio]

is it much faster compare to none

like significantly faster that you warrant a point for wildfire

[plucky flax]

I know neither of these people.

Is worth it for me.

[deft stump]

Gaslight mains at work again... INFURIATING.

[gray juniper]

It wont kill them on its own, but like one quick spray on a crowd will take care of the total damage you need. It would come down to having to spray less for same result

[severe folio]

hmm

how much less

because purgatus can do 4 stacks really fast

[gray juniper]

Like let’s see your tree and we can discuss differences in options and the result. I have mine on hand too

[severe folio]

okay let me get it

[gray juniper]

Yea exactly. So it has been a difference between being able to move off because the chaff died faster on its own. I’ve been charging for another volley before and it’s cleared the remainder after targeting an elite enemy which caused the perilous combustion spread

[plucky flax]

Get perfect timing you're losing damage.

[severe folio]

oh true

[gray juniper]

Yea this is more accurate

Exsqueeze me for misinformation. But the resulting effect is as if they’ve died on their own compared to standing stationary for a full volley of purge secondary

[severe folio]

the thing is id rather wildfire actually kill them as they die on their own instead of "as if"

which, i dont think it can with just how little warpfire it could transfer

[tulip kettle]

again were back on this

[gray juniper]

@severe folio you’ve already made a soul blaze build basically. It’s cheating yourself to not pick up WF for further spread on vent. Remember vent is higher initial damage onset with the right peril amount and warp charges

[tulip kettle]

wildfire is pointless if you have only PC and NO OTHER SOURCES of soulblaze

as soon as you introduce any other source of blaze its no longer useless

[gray juniper]

Cheating yourself is strong and dramatic language. Don’t take this literally. My apologies

[severe folio]

i get what you mean

[gray juniper]

They’re using purge staff

[plucky flax]

You keep my wf's name out of your mouth

https://tenor.com/view/will-smith-chris-rock-the-oscars-mf-mouth-gif-25236259

[tulip kettle]

well if you using purg staff or creeping flames then its great

[hearty wolf]

Well yeah

Creeping flames is based off Minecraft creepers

of course it's strong

[gray juniper]

You can try something like this and see how it works for you

You can switch out perfect timing for kinetic flayer vice versa

@plucky flax idk which is better damage frequency/amount on KF vs. PT?

[plucky flax]

Between those 2 nodes go pt

[gray juniper]

Intuition prevails

[tulip kettle]

but literally take them both

i used to think KF was not so good but the results and math kind of prove with purg wildfire its really, really good

[severe folio]

i guess i need to test this on the field to really see the flame spreading around

i still dont know how good is 4 stacks of warp fire jumping around is gonna do

but if now everyone say its good then i guess its doing something

[gray juniper]

The seemingly best options to trade it for would be the extra warp charges or kinetic deflection. Feel queasy letting KD go, but feels it defeats the point to let the +2 charges go on a vent build @tulip kettle

[tulip kettle]

completely agree with that assesment

[plucky flax]

I think I have both in my build.

Non havoc too.

[gray juniper]

Share?

[tulip kettle]

the thing is, lets say a 2mil dmg purg game

over 200k of that dmg is going to be blitz

coming from KF

do you think the extra 2 warp charges is worth 200k dmg

thats the question

[severe folio]

though why ER instead of the rending on high peril

[gray juniper]

Nah that’s not

[plucky flax]

I think these days I run the same build just with bubble mostly in havoc.

[severe folio]

i though we want high peril generation for shriek

[plucky flax]

Ye it's like the build above but with kf and pt.

I don't have 6 warp charges sadly.

[tulip kettle]

same

[plucky flax]

Medminset you wanna play?

Get your ASS.

If you're like 2 or 3 games in.

[gray juniper]

You can do the same with lower peril generation and kill more faster by getting better with movement and EE. EE procs as much as you hope it would, so as long as you don’t need to quell, you will be dodging a lot of incoming with continuous fire from purge staff

So theoretically you can spray purge as much as you want until vent is off cooldown again. Max your peril then fire

[plucky flax]

I did 238k assails damage in my last bubble knight game.

Kinda good.

211k burn damage from recon las.

[gray juniper]

Ty for offer. I was actually trying to help someone else get theirs and it wasn’t a good run lol. I died in sacrifice for him but they were playing too spread out and died anyway

[plucky flax]

1.1m melee damage. Nearly twice as much as the arby's melee.

Bubble knight's melee is so much higher than arby.

I just need DD marks to behave like EO marks.

And my bubble knight is completed.

[tulip kettle]

the dream

[gray juniper]

I’m salty about DD marks

[plucky flax]

Maybe they will buff.

[gray juniper]

I hoap and pray

[plucky flax]

So you wanna play or?

[gray juniper]

I’m eating breakfast real quick but definitely yes if you want

[plucky flax]

Ye I wanna try this new event for at least a couple rounds.

To see if it's that bad.

[tulip kettle]

put infested on your MK6

[plucky flax]

I'll play a round now first.

[tulip kettle]

have a great time

[dull gyro]

I spent 7 million already on rolling a god roll inferno staff 😭 I cant take it anymore

[severe folio]

alright then

i guess ill try wildfire and see if it do what it suppose to do

[hearty wolf]

It can be really hard to evaluate how good wildfire is so give it a few games

[gray juniper]

Do take KF over the 6 warp charges too as Dom said

[marble crater]

That seems very unlucky, unless we have different ideas of what a god roll is

[hearty wolf]

0% WR territory I would imagine

[dull gyro]

as low warp res as possible

this one I got at around 2.5m mark, since then Im rolling a better one and god damn... 💀

[gray juniper]

Great. You have it

[marble crater]

Ah, no sympathy then

[dull gyro]

I swear that damn warp resistance never rolls at 0%

[hearty wolf]

Either way it can't be a god roll because it's an orange weapon

Also mk2 inferno staff lul

[idle aurora]

Is it even possible to get 80 in everything and 0 in warp res? The one i currently have is at 13% warp res, 49% quell speed, and 80% in rest

[deft stump]

Nope.

[dull gyro]

ngl its the only thing I use

[nova sluice]

wats soulblaze btw

[dull gyro]

burn but blue

[nova sluice]

yes but what causes it

besides fire staff

[dull gyro]

a plethora of things, such as talents

for example, this

or this

[tulip kettle]

by a plethora of things : the perilous combustion talent, the creeping flames modifier to venting shriek, the inferno staff, and the "blazing spirit" blessing on some weapons