psyker-class

[dull scroll]

anyways, its all hypothetical on a no cap wildfire

[strong gulch]

If you want to do FGS and inferno you can. It's not optimized, but you totally can.

Inferno needs something to deal with crushers. That is the bare minimum. If you want to minmax, the DS4, deimos, knife, etc are all going to be better because they all have uncanny strikes that affects SB DoT damage. Also, having a melee option that either gives you defensive utility or a lot of mobility is very appreciated on staves.

FGS handles horde and single targets, including crushers and bosses, well enough to work just fine on any build tho.

But between uncanny strikes access and other things mentioned above, FGS is generally best on right side tree builds. Those are typically guns, melee, and assail builds.

Lots of people like FGS with EK.

for either left or right side builds

[brazen rampart]

Inferno doesn't need any rending at all.

That approach is only to allow your soulblaze to kill crushers.

[strong gulch]

no

It's for bosses

That's also if you trying to as optimized as possible.

[radiant frigate]

yuge boss damage

[brazen rampart]

Why would you use inferno on a boss when you can just keep headshotting them with your melee?

[radiant frigate]

big number

[brazen rampart]

Both obscurus and deimos have great finesse damage, assuming you're falling for the uncanny approach bait.

[storm hollow]

ok so i have plenty of avenues for builds

[brazen rampart]

Just use greatsword and 2shot ogryns and maulers if you want to use inferno.

[storm hollow]

the funny inferno; the melee greatsword and the ranged scrier

[radiant frigate]

it's also possible to build the Bosskiller 9000 DS4

[strong gulch]

You get 15 stacks the the boss and everything else in the area then melee it. It's much faster.

[storm hollow]

i wish my godroll autogun didnt go to a semi auto/burst autogun

[dull scroll]

depends entirely on how many stacks you can get on the boss

[radiant frigate]

fgs inferno is not a great combo

[dull scroll]

warpfire in high enough stacks starts to do crazy dmg

[brazen rampart]

I would say "just roll one" but I also forget not everybody played one class for 300 levels so they don't have wallets like mine. :P

[strong gulch]

A lot of the time you are just flaming everything and not just a boss.

[brazen rampart]

Anything works on psyker.

Especially when scriers gets involved.

[storm hollow]

and i dunked a lot of money perfecting my arbitrator

frankly the melee classes fit me well and im struggling to decipher psyker/veteran lol

[radiant frigate]

it works but they do not compliment each other

[brazen rampart]

Is greatsword better with a scriers setup? Absolutely. You get oneshots on ogryns with scriers + dd.

[radiant frigate]

bofadeez are also melee classes

just not beefy melee classes

[storm hollow]

you know what i mean

[brazen rampart]

Is it bad on a staffker build? Absolutely not.

[radiant frigate]

i do not actually

[storm hollow]

they have more range-focused gameplay, even if it's hybrid

[brazen rampart]

It's hard to survive as psyker in melee because you don't really get anything that directly improves your melee toughness generation.

Vet gets O4B, which is just sickeningly good, so there's not a huge problem there.

[radiant frigate]

sg + bcob + quietude

or bubble

[storm hollow]

i think of it as the arbitrator is 80/20 melee range, ogryn is 70/30, zealot is 90/10, veteran is 50/50, and psyker is like 40/60

[brazen rampart]

What kind of creature do you take me for, suggesting me use bubble?

Also the peril management toughness gen talents kinda stink.

[radiant frigate]

i'm just listing options

[brazen rampart]

Not enough magnitude for me to consider them.

Soulstealer and mettle are the good ones.

[radiant frigate]

quietude is absolutely considerable

[brazen rampart]

Considering how crit oriented psyker is.

[radiant frigate]

that + bcob means melee headshot kills give 10% toughness

[brazen rampart]

Ok but like, no.

[radiant frigate]

that is in line with out for blood on vet or the extra 5% on close kill for arby

[brazen rampart]

Not worth the point spent on it.

[brazen rampart]

Nothing compares to O4B for direct toughness generation.

And before you mention second wind, I have a very strong suspicion it's going to get gimped as soon as zeal tree gets a rework.

[radiant frigate]

why would i mention second wind

[brazen rampart]

I would be willing to have it be reworked to be toughness/time instead of a flat 15% restore.

[brazen rampart]

Because of all the toughness talents in the game, second wind is the most consistent one.

Except maybe something like walk it off. That's pretty damn consistent.

You can literally push air to get toughness back in a pinch.

[radiant frigate]

walk it off is pretty whatever

5%/s like dog regen

or take a breath

or forceful

[brazen rampart]

Catch a breath is also p good.

[radiant frigate]

i should say it's pretty whatever in relation to the rest of arby toughness options in particular

[brazen rampart]

Anywho, the point is, psyker has some issues generating toughness in melee, especially if you go left side.

[radiant frigate]

so pushing air for toughness good, but quelling for toughness bad?

[brazen rampart]

I was giving an example of how easy it is to use. Walk it off is almost always running if you're playing correctly.

[weary idol]

shield plates letting me regen my toughness by blocking ranged attacks is pretty baller

[brazen rampart]

And thats 5%/s over the course of 3s for every bar of stamina you spend.

[weary idol]

not as good as walk it off but like

still

[brazen rampart]

Which you will likely be spending stamina fast enough that you will forever be resetting it.

[weary idol]

arbites gets good toughness

[brazen rampart]

Indeed.

I quite like the toughness over time approach of arbites talents.

I think future talents should work like this, and some talents should be reworked to be like this.

[radiant frigate]

personally not sure i like anything about arbites (naysaying time)

[brazen rampart]

Ok it's time to beat Kat with hammers.

(glazing arbites time)

[hearty wolf]

Question is why is the psyker stabbing the boss

[bright lichen]

my favourite arbites weapons are crusher and the shield shotpistol lol

[radiant frigate]

you better not say anything mandated or edict related

[radiant frigate]

shamk

[brazen rampart]

I have scriers gaze, and I have scriers gaze.

[hearty wolf]

dog>gaze

[brazen rampart]

Hope this answers any questions you currently have and any you might ask in the future.

[radiant frigate]

don't like dog

[brazen rampart]

WACK

[hearty wolf]

dog doesn't like YOU

[brazen rampart]

Dog is op.

[radiant frigate]

should give class with big cat instead

[brazen rampart]

Dog does like a third of my damage.

[hearty wolf]

I'm going to install a mod so I can use it on my teammates

[radiant frigate]

this is why don't like dog

[hearty wolf]

as soon as one of you becomes an EO targets

it's so over for you

[brazen rampart]

PLEASE EMPEROR MARK THIS LIABILITY FOR MERCY SANCTION, I BEG YOU

[radiant frigate]

class so mid it needs an immortal dog-shaped guided missile to be relevant

fire and forget, ding-dong the boss is dead

[brazen rampart]

I mean, lone wolf is still really strong.

I just really like shock jaws and being able to say "hey, kill that guy" and my dog runs backwards through a spawn door to go maul a sniper.

[hearty wolf]

Class has baked in revive speed for reviving psykers who blow themselves up

[vernal temple]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/571
replayable Orthus Offensive

[radiant frigate]

nuncio-aquila propaganda

[brazen rampart]

(It's literally a propaganda machine)

[radiant frigate]

could have ressed normally in the time it took you to deploy and res

[brazen rampart]

Yeah but like, toughness generation for you as soon as you get up.

[radiant frigate]

since unlike most other things it's not instant

and l o n g cd

[brazen rampart]

I would figure it's less for you to deploy and start the revive and more for you to throw down on someone as they start reviving.

[radiant frigate]

not sure revive speed is dynamic

[brazen rampart]

I'm meaning with the aux node on nuncio.

30% revive speed to anyone within the aoe.

[paper oriole]

Replayable orthus is a godsend

[radiant frigate]

well yeah but will it speed up a revive already in progress

[storm hollow]

the brain blast charges so slowly man

[tulip kettle]

yeah you dont use it

its just for killing snipers and getting the "kinetic flayer" talent

and having access to the talent below called psykinetics aura

and wildfire

[storm hollow]

athe quintissential high end psyker build doesnt use a blitz

[tulip kettle]

well yeah

though, you are using it

just not by using it

its still going off

every 15 seconds

[storm hollow]

soulblaze rgiht

[tulip kettle]

its pretty significant towards your total dmg in the game for a whole host of reasons, especially when running inferno

but the brainburst node itself is pretty much a tax

that gives you a tool for dealing with snipers and far away bombers and such which you otherwise cant do with inferno

[storm hollow]

i guess but why does it feel like assail could do much better

[tulip kettle]

because you dont understand the game

i dont mean that in a harsh way, you just dont have the tools to reliably asses stuff

[wild basin]

🙂

[weary idol]

because assail is vastly better than the other 2 psyker blitzes

But Psykinetic's Aura

So

You pick one of the 2 bad ones instead

[thorn cedar]

sssshhhhh

[tulip kettle]

and also kinetic flayer

kinetic flayer itself is extremely good

[storm hollow]

well then

[weary idol]

usually brain rupture because you have no reason to use smite on most staff builds

and kf is a fair chunk of free damage

even if brain burst itself without KF is almost inarguably the worst blitz in the game

[stable silo]

shock staff warp flurry/nexus ?

[tulip kettle]

oh for sure

[tulip kettle]

i like this, i use rmb more

[prisma hinge]

yes!

[tulip kettle]

if using lmb take surge instead of flurry

[stable silo]

with crit/flak ?

[verbal thistle]

Nexus + Flurry/Surge

[prisma hinge]

this is what i use

[tulip kettle]

i use unyielding and flak

[storm hollow]

so what build can use assail?

melee?

scrier?

[verbal thistle]

all can

[tulip kettle]

lots of right side builds with guns

[verbal thistle]

assail is free horde clear and rager stagger

[tulip kettle]

the thing is, assail is

exactly that

[prisma hinge]

i use a gunpsyker with disrupt destiny

[verbal thistle]

even reaper stagger

[tulip kettle]

and so, its not something you need on a lot of builds

wheras, kinetic flayer does around 12-15% of your total dmtg alone

[prisma hinge]

Deimos Force Sword
Agripinna (however you spell that shit) Snub Nose
Venting Shriek

[tulip kettle]

and also prcos perilous combustion etc

[tulip kettle]

ew shriek on gunker

take scriers tf

[prisma hinge]

it's just for spacing

[weary idol]

why the hell are you using shriek for gunker

for *spacing

spacing

brother

kill them

[prisma hinge]

yep.

[storm hollow]

so

[weary idol]

you are a gunker

[prisma hinge]

it works for me.

[verbal thistle]

yup, this is ony of my builds

[weary idol]

you can just do that

[verbal thistle]

I use this with zarona revolver

very fun

[storm hollow]

i think i could go for a scrier's build with the lightning

have good crowd control and use my weapons for single target

[tulip kettle]

that would suck

awfully

[prisma hinge]

Scrier is Smite is good for CC

but just that basically lol

[weary idol]

You are a SG psyker just kill them

[verbal thistle]

its very good

I use EK + assail + gaze

[weary idol]

You have the literal best spontaneous horde clear in the entire game at your finger tips with FGS

[tulip kettle]

scriers with smite

[weary idol]

Why would you waste your time using smite

[tulip kettle]

he means smite

[storm hollow]

its called smite?

i forgot thx

[tulip kettle]

the blitz one?

yes

[prisma hinge]

Scrier + Lightning + Empowered Psionics = palpatine

[tulip kettle]

dont use that with scriers gaze

apart from it isnt because you dont use finesse or crit on smite

i showed a test the other day that has mixed horde of ragers groaners and pox taking 16 secs to die to EP smite, thats in NON HAVOC

it is not good

take assail and just kill them as above

[storm hollow]

oh wait, vet/psyker/zealot havent been reworked like ogryn so they still are left/mid/right, ranged/melee/hybrid right

[weary idol]

and besides that gun psyker has the best horde clear in the game in those kind of testing environments starting from nothing

[prisma hinge]

basically yeah

[weary idol]

how long does gun psyker take to clear a huge horde of poxwalkers?

exactly as long as it takes to charge FGS wave xd

[tulip kettle]

like 6 seconds

[storm hollow]

so left psyker tree is melee

[weary idol]

So like 6 or so seconds

[storm hollow]

middle hybrid

right ranged

[prisma hinge]

yep

[tulip kettle]

slash slash assail slash slash assail slash slash charged slash

all dead

[weary idol]

left is staff, middle is support, right is melee/gun

[storm hollow]

shit yeah i forgot since ogryn and arbites are way more adaptive

[weary idol]

for psykeer

[jovial juniper]

Go for it

[prisma hinge]

ignore what the "meta" scumsuckers say

have fun

[tulip kettle]

man aint nobody having fun with scriers smite

[prisma hinge]

i am

shit's fun

[jovial juniper]

Good

[prisma hinge]

i like seeing entire waves get nullified because my fingies are feeling electric

it's best with Empowered Psionics

+200% extra damage and +50% faster spread

is it great? no.

[weary idol]

I like seeing entire waves get nullified because I kill them personally

[storm hollow]

what is psyker one of the few classes that is just "any loadout's good for havoc 40 no matter what you arrange it"

[prisma hinge]

is it fun? yes.

[weary idol]

AbsoLUTELY not

[storm hollow]

understandable

[weary idol]

They do get multiple viable playstyles and a wide variety of viable weapons tho

[storm hollow]

guess that's ogryn

[prisma hinge]

and Arbitrator

especially with his get out of jail free Castigator's stance

[bright lichen]

have you tried agripiina shotgun with gun psyker yet, its very nice

[storm hollow]

oh yeah i love that

[storm hollow]

i might shoot for a gun psyker then, wish i knew which gun would hit hardest

[marble crater]

What is going on here

[storm hollow]

im thinking infantry autogun

[jovial juniper]

Vraks5 infantry autogun

Is the dps monster

[prisma hinge]

Gun Psyker Enjoyer is trying to prove that he's superior to us all by pretending his shit doesn't stink

[storm hollow]

knew it

[prisma hinge]

while we're all just talking about fun psyker play styles

not necessarily useful ones, but fun ones

[marble crater]

I will check in again later

[weary idol]

I use bolt pistol personally

Not because it's a good gun, but because puncture makes assail/fgs wave apply bleed

[bright lichen]

what????

it does that???

[weary idol]

yeah lol

[bright lichen]

wtfff

[weary idol]

https://fximgur.com/a/ThLCDz7

[jovial juniper]

🍝

[wild basin]

I would like to print this and hang it on my wall

the something is actually making your build worse

[torn kernel]

Henlo chat is now a good time to reinstall darktide

[jovial juniper]

Welp
Shit thousand 4001 error codes
Guess I'm not playing tonight

[verbal thistle]

lol

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-versus-vs-alien-monster-vs-alien-gif-16037253809360562033

[verbal thistle]

nice timing

[prisma hinge]

perhaps may i see thy build

[torn kernel]

Has the dust settled on the server shenanigans

[jovial juniper]

And now I'm in

All I had to do was complain

See

[torn kernel]

[jovial juniper]

Proof that complaining works

[analog agate]

Nah, I would rather have more casts on my staff. The 30% toughness nerf doesn’t affect me

[low rapids]

being on par with the most OP class

[prisma hinge]

dick and balls 👍

[torn kernel]

Ugh fuck i gotta set up all my ui mods all over again

[jovial juniper]

Ogryns not here

[prisma hinge]

that's the Covenant Mk VI FGS?

[torn kernel]

The only good fgs 😤

[weary idol]

yeah

[wild basin]

Okay I think i stirred the pot enough today, was fun, good night

and btw Dom is 100% correct

[analog agate]

Cool. Bye

[prisma hinge]

Bolt Pistol w/ Puncture; anything else of major importance?

[weary idol]

don't die 👍

[storm hollow]

@weary idol theres an infantry auto with all 80s and the dump being mobility, and an all 80s bolt pistol with the dump being stability in brunt's

[spice oar]

why do bolters always apply bleed to everything 😭

bleed psyker is real

[storm hollow]

so i assume that i can use the greatsword on a scrier build right

[analog agate]

Most do

[spice oar]

absolutely

melee psyker fucks, especially on scriers

i like using fgs with shriek tho since 2 activations is a free room clear

[weary idol]

undeniably the strongest option for it tbh

[storm hollow]

isnt scrier's the gun option though

or does it just make the psyker both

[weary idol]

gun psyker is only called that because they have a gun

it's primarily a melee playstyle

one of the strongest melee playstyles in the game

[storm hollow]

surprising, but i'll take it

[analog agate]

Warp Unbound has allowed it to be used with staves too. Voidstrike and EK staff builds specifically

[storm hollow]

hopefully i did the tree right

[torn kernel]

WU trauma works just ask deadvoid

[strong gulch]

This feels like it should be directed at me.

Something something a hit dog howlers. 🙋

[storm hollow]

which fbg variant's better

oh wait mk6 right

fuck i wish the one i had was that

[strong gulch]

personal pref

a lot like like the 6 more

[proper osprey]

It’s a struggle as melee psyker

[strong gulch]

Just change the mk

[proper osprey]

Nice clutch tho

[storm hollow]

i dont have the mastery yet so i cant

[dull scroll]

I'm in the twilight zone

[storm hollow]

anyway ive been hearing about this uncanny strike or something, but i dont see any blessings on the sword that's that

is it Warp Slice?

[strong gulch]

FGS doesn't get uncanny

[torn kernel]

[storm hollow]

then whats the good blessings on it

[torn kernel]

Warp slice bad

[jovial juniper]

Avoid
Warp Slice
Blazing Spirit
Murderous Tranquility

[torn kernel]

You crit more than enough without it anyway

[strong gulch]

All blessings are fine to great for FGS except those 3

[torn kernel]

Murderous tranq can be funny for infinite uptime builds but it's unnecessary after the gaze buffs

[storm hollow]

avoid or use?

[torn kernel]

Avoid those 3

[jovial juniper]

Avoid

[proper osprey]

I’m ngl i can’t play staffs after using melee psyker so much

[storm hollow]

ok so like

Momentum?

[proper osprey]

mk6 knife or mk3 knife for melee psyker hmmmm

[storm hollow]

and Shred i guess?

[torn kernel]

i'd prob recommend shred + whatever else you want

[proper osprey]

I do shred + wrath

[torn kernel]

shred + precog gives you funny crit numbers, shred wrath is nice if you don't have warp splitting

[storm hollow]

ok what about the infantry autogun

@weary idol

[torn kernel]

shred + unstable is pretty reliable

[proper osprey]

The fgs has no bad blessings besides thoses 3 above

[storm hollow]

im guessing DumDum and Punishing Salvo

or Sustained Fire

[proper osprey]

What gun

[torn kernel]

vraks, raking fire, dumdum

[storm hollow]

raking fire?

really?

[torn kernel]

maximum boss melting

[storm hollow]

oh ok

[torn kernel]

angles are janky but when you get it right it's fuckin amazing

[proper osprey]

Oh auto

[strong gulch]

raking is not the general rec

[torn kernel]

i use +crit +unyielding

[strong gulch]

but it's fine

[torn kernel]

but that really only works if you use it for bosses and only bosses

which

gunker

so like just melee shit

[weary idol]

+crit with unyielding/maniacs and dumdum with either deathspitter(general use) or raking fire (fuck beast of nurgle)

[torn kernel]

we support BoN racism here in these parts

i forgot the blessing setup for gunker laspistol

you don't want infernus, right?

[analog agate]

Infernus/dumdum

[torn kernel]

oh

i swear there was an alternate setup without infernus

but i forgor

[stable silo]

what gun or staff u guys like to run with scriers FGS build ?

[torn kernel]

vraks iag, recon las, or heavy laspistol

people also run voidstrike/EK sometimes

[wispy bay]

Vstrike is fun because of the Nexus/surge combo proc more reliably.

It pretty much double the damage output.

EK M1 is in the same boat.

[torn kernel]

yea but EK M1 kills your fingers if you want any decent dps

[stable silo]

interesting interaction with scryers does it reset your peril when you activate it ?

[torn kernel]

it lowers it by 50%

[stable silo]

oooooh thats why

i spam to much warp siphon psyker i know not of this sciers

[torn kernel]

tbf it's kinda new it didn't use to do that

[wispy bay]

It is a year 3 thing.

[stable silo]

oh thats why i was fairly concerned i didnt realize that about it and thought it was buggin in a good way haha

[molten heath]

Does death dealer work with the psyker staffs?

[mossy cloak]

80 to 40 kind of 50%, or 80 to 30 kind of 50%?

[torn kernel]

80 to 30 kinda 50%

[mossy cloak]

got it, I always try to go near 90-100 before using it

seems not necessary

[torn kernel]

edging your peril is always necessary

[mossy cloak]

true

[hollow current]

[mossy cloak]

so I played right, with the wrong reason

[jovial juniper]

Basically no

[torn kernel]

is karien still here

[wispy bay]

Why do you want to summon the lord?

[torn kernel]

i miss my boom gremlin twin 😔

[hasty bridge]

electo or voidstrike staff?

[molten heath]

any

just wanna know if I can proc the crit chance mag thing

[long osprey]

Is there a mod to help smooth the inputs? When I use brain burst a lot of the time it doesn’t let me change weapons

And in the thick of the fight it means death

[torn kernel]

iirc it's called guarantee weapon action or some shit like that

(not very helpful i know)

but it does exist i just forgor

[ripe obsidian]

Almost definitely not, unless you have found a way to reload a staff.

[analog island]

Guys what's your favorite non meta build?

[dull scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/armored-core-ac-rubicon-armored-core-gif-27638340

purge vent

[analog island]

I think i specified non meta

[dull scroll]

not having bubble can't be meta in 40s 😏

[analog island]

Bubble is meta in h40?

[dull scroll]

...

it's the strongest 2 abilities in game

other been the book

[analog island]

Oh right the rapid fire shooters

Wait book not shout?

[dull scroll]

and bonbon, and specials

[analog island]

Huh?????

[dull scroll]

shout is very good, but not up there with these 2

[analog island]

I never thought I would see the day...

Whatever scrier fgs is best because big sword fun.

I love cleaving through everything

That isn't made of carapace.

[dull scroll]

oh? FGS destroys carapace though

[analog island]

Not on lights

[dull scroll]

that is true 😔

[analog island]

I mean that nothing really cleaves throug carapace

Fgs does good damage on the chained overheads

[dull scroll]

zealot's relic's lights do, very satisfying

[analog island]

Great

I love the relic blade 💜

[ripe obsidian]

It is sometimes interesting to see that people are playing a different game. This is not a critique. Just interesting to encounter someone not familiar with the meta after spending so much time with all of us no-life H40 players.

[sinful perch]

How exactly does brittleness work with soulflame? Like, soulflame is really really bad against carapace enemies but does brittleness make it better by any substantial amount?

[ripe obsidian]

Does it? I was under the understanding that Carapace is hard-coded to stop cleave.

[dull scroll]

if you power it up yes, non powered then no

[ripe obsidian]

Interesting.

[analog island]

I was super into the meta back half a year ago when havoc didn't exist

[ripe obsidian]

I will need to test this.

[dull scroll]

it helps, armor pen of any kind help with dot damage

[analog island]

Relic blade light stabs are so great

[tulip kettle]

i dont know the exact amount but yes

the one interaction like this i did test is with rending instead of brittleness

but with 100% rending soulblaze goes from 42-46 dmg per tick to over 400

on crushers

[ripe obsidian]

Soulblaze has such good ADM on everything that isn't carapace that rending feels bad.

[sinful perch]

I have penetrating flames on my inferno staff and even with abysmal carapace damage normally it's actually doing pretty good, not the best option one on one but when there's a group of crushers it's still really really good

[analog island]

What if they buffed purge staff to shoot charged thunder hammers? For balance reasons of course

[ripe obsidian]

I just scream and flee when Crushers get close.

[tulip kettle]

i dont rate pen flames personally

[ripe obsidian]

Like a real Psyker.

[analog island]

Amen sibling

[dull scroll]

the more yolo method to increase warpfire damage is go bonk crushers on the head with an uncanny melee 😏

[tulip kettle]

because i really want nexus and blaze away

and yes, exactly, then just stack uncanny

get much better effect than pen flames

and also get to stab things

win win

[dull scroll]

disclaimer: unsafe, you might become pancake

[tulip kettle]

half the time in my games if i dont stab the crusher, nobody will

[analog island]

Just move faster

[tulip kettle]

same as if i dont rush the shooters with my inferno staff they will just swiss cheese us all

blazing away into the big crusher bulwark mob

[dull scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-flopje-rabbit-flat-flattened-gif-3328345702515468435

[tulip kettle]

hey wheres team

turn around and the ogryn and arb are stood behind me watching

[analog island]

I honestly love deimos for crushers

[tulip kettle]

thanks fellas

[analog island]

H2 sends them flying

[static sonnet]

Poor baby

[torn kernel]

deimos H2 is just

[analog island]

You get ot

It

[torn kernel]

too bad it's kinda awkward to chain

[analog island]

Just l1-h2

Super simple

[torn kernel]

l1 h2 l1 h2 is too much for my brain

[analog island]

Oh, fair.

[torn kernel]

give me h2 h2

[ripe obsidian]

What a cursed fucking image.

[torn kernel]

you're welcome

[analog island]

FR! Fatshark are just too much of cowards

Or at least make both the heavies stabs

[dull scroll]

If they switched deimos's H1 with H2 it'd be a GOD weapon

[torn kernel]

ikr deimos fuckin sucks fs should buff all the force swords

[torn kernel]

dude imagine h1 block canceling a pack of crushers

[analog island]

I love the ilisi for just being a cooler power sword

[torn kernel]

[woeful sigil]

I was gonna post a build here but no image perms

[analog island]

Just be cool for a while

And then you can

[torn kernel]

you could also post it elsewhere and just link the image

pretty sure grey names still have embed perms

[analog island]

No I don't think they do

[ripe obsidian]

Or just make a build in Gameslantern and share the link. =|

[woeful sigil]

dang it bobby

[analog island]

I think both fgs and thammer are perfectly balanced weapons should be all perfectly or buffed in accordance.

Like, powerful but not that powerful

Not too powerful

[thorn cedar]

i dont WANT perfectly balanced weapons i want POWER FANTASY so that i can make contextless clips for my TikTok channel

[analog island]

Oh, the sound the relic blade makes on charged attacks

[thorn cedar]

when will fatshark cater to the new, much cooler generation of gamers

man relic blade is fucken peak

that electric crackling

[analog island]

AHEM arrowhead

[jovial juniper]

You can't handle Scriers DD Bloodthirsty Precognition Illisi

[analog island]

"You can't handle my strongest potions"

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/thor-captain-america-cheers-gif-10494478

[analog island]

That basically sounds like my build but with ilisi instead of fgs

I like the agraapina revolver

Personally

[prime elk]

Stacking literally every single buff to make Illisi not shit 😭

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/yap-gif-12747786332838233040

[proper osprey]

What knife do y’all prefer on psyker?

[jovial juniper]

Mk6

Just spam push attack ad infinitum

And the mk6 pa is 10% faster

[proper osprey]

Yeah that’s what I’m thinking

[analog island]

You guys use knife on psyker?

[proper osprey]

Just wanted to see if there was a mk3 user

[proper osprey]

Yarp

[jovial juniper]

Yeah

[analog island]

Weirdos

[jovial juniper]

Sometimes I just run 2 stamina builds

[proper osprey]

It’s amazing lol

[jovial juniper]

Knife be fast even with 2 stamina

[proper osprey]

I was gonna do melee psyker with it

Maybe use ek with it

Or keep trauma

Hmmmm

[thorn cedar]

I still don't vibe with the mk6

mk3 for me

also knife with 3x sprint eff curios can go a looooong way

[prime elk]

Totally overkill though, especially on psyker

[prime elk]

From paths testing… I think chord has better horde clear?

[ripe obsidian]

For all I have attempted the combat knife, I cannot make it feel fun for me.

Just feels bleh

[proper osprey]

With the ds changes I just switched to it it plays the exact same but I get mobility

It’s pretty silly

[torn kernel]

may i interest you in the glory of the tac axe psyker

[ripe obsidian]

O_O yourself @deft stump

[storm hollow]

ok i feel noticeably better at gunker

[jovial juniper]

Impressive
Now let's see how chord fares against anything else

C'mon

We both know chords goated at hordes

And that's it

Unless you're zealot

Luv me vrooms

[storm hollow]

just got a perfect duelling sowrd

dump stat got into Defenses/Cleaving Damage (brunt was selling this as a mkv but i checked and it changes to cleave damage on mk4)

[prime elk]

Right but it’s not like Illisi is a weapon known for being good at single target damage either

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-urge-resist-cat-gif-25536160

It just has

2.25? Finesse

And really strong blessings

https://tenor.com/view/desiler-giga-chad-gif-9574825124538696572

[potent echo]

It's decent but it won't be chunking bosses

Compared to FGS anyway

[sinful perch]

Hmm is there any reason to be using the regular force sword over great sword aside from speed preference?

[jovial juniper]

Obscurus still cracking armor like crazy

[potent echo]

Uncanny has funny interaction with soulblaze

Since soulblazr inherits your currently equipped weapon's perks/blessings

But ever since they added blaze away on burger this isn't too valuable anymore

[vestal trench]

i didnt go into casualty as psyker on a havoc 30+ for once

[tulip kettle]

its extremely valuable

in the cases that you want it for

non carapace dies to soulblaze anyway so sure, it doesnt matter there. But vs carapace, stacking uncanny takes you from roughly 40 damage per tick to over 400

thats a 1000% damage increase

i woldnt call that "not too valuable" but thats just me

[storm hollow]

is it funny that the mark 5 dueling sword feels rly fun to use

obviously i'll try mark 4 but still

[proper osprey]

Knife soyker Is fun

[tulip kettle]

its not funny, all the duelling swords feel great

but the DS4 is unmistakeably king for what you want it for

though on psyker we have deimos and thats pretty good too

whichever the MK is that has defences, i think 5, is very funny because of the sheer mobility it gives

[potent echo]

It's mainly there for crusher blobs yea

For bosses it might be better to just keep burger out

Unless there are really no ads around

[tulip kettle]

its usually better to burn everything to 15 stacks, then stack uncanny on a trash mob

[potent echo]

I need to do this test

Burgeraway vs uncanny vs a plagryn

[storm hollow]

ok so for da sword™, its uncanny strike and thrust?

(dueling)

or uncanny and shred

[potent echo]

I like thrust mainly for mutant oneshot BP

[weary idol]

uncanny and whatever the hell else

thrust

relentless

shred

whatever you want man

[potent echo]

Riposte and precog

Yea anything

[proper osprey]

I do uncanny ripoest

[dull scroll]

if you are practiced at using ds4 special get thrust, you won't have much need to dodge anything

[storm hollow]

ok im gonna try a game with the dueling sword and a game with the deimos blaze and see how well i perform\

[sinful perch]

Kinetic deflection applies to the auto block while reviving right? If I have deflector and that weapon in my hand does that also apply that and blocked ranged attacks or nah

[thorn cedar]

it used to, way back on launch

[tulip kettle]

you cant block ranged attaclks when reviving

but kinetic deflector does apply yes

the deflector blessing only works on an angle in front of you when blocking

[deft stump]

Uncanny Agile if you wanna mess with muscle memory when using non-agile weapons. XD

[tulip kettle]

second this, but agile uncanny is also the safest way to do it, crusher packs much less scary with infinite dodges

[jovial juniper]

Agile Propaganda

https://tenor.com/view/rayleigh-one-piece-crying-gif-7583256620608062087

[tulip kettle]

dont get me wrong by taking agile you are missing out on a bunch of good options

but you already shit out damage, its okay to bring something to keep you safe for when you get seperated from the team and need to hightail it back to them or w/e

and never forget they took infinite dodges away from us in the first place

[deft stump]

Agile gud.

[jovial juniper]

https://youtu.be/pckrHxt9ks0?si=_SBSrI_NgfOpOnay

[storm hollow]

mmmmmmm

i'll take shred

[tulip kettle]

great choice especially with most psyker builds that have empathic evasion and mettle

[jovial juniper]

Self reminder to watch part 6 before going Steel Ball Running

[mossy cloak]

builds on gameslantern looks like a popularity poll, is there any build creator I can follow for some good builds?

[storm hollow]

fuck i forgot to ask about perks for either weapon

damniiit

if i had to guess: melee crit chance and carapace armor for the dueling sword?

[prime elk]

oh no

another one lost to DS

[storm hollow]

not yet i just forgot about perks

[dull scroll]

I have mastered the special and have therefore forsook dodge and agile

[prime elk]

if you want to improve as a player, strongly advise to not use DS

[dull scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-sword-xd-gif-25215163

[storm hollow]

why?

[dull scroll]

ignore the haters

[storm hollow]

the mk4 dueling and the mk4 blaze force seem to be equally strong

[prime elk]

because it's busted

and teaches bad habits

it also creates the stereotypical staffker players that gets flattened by a crusher the moment their staff can't keep up with mixed hordes

psyker's already a terrible class for learning game fundamentals

and DS makes it so much worse

[dull scroll]

don't listen to this naysayer, if you master DS you can kill a team of crushers in seconds

without even dodging

[prime elk]

i mean the fact that it's broken is one of the reasons it's getting nerfed lol

[gray juniper]

Why can they not hit you when you’re lunging?

[prime elk]

unless fatshart decides to pussy out because of the review bombing

[dull scroll]

sure, in 2 more weeks it's getting nerfed 😏

wonder how many 2 more weeks it's been now

[prime elk]

it's def not going to be 2 weeks, but presumably it's still coming

it's pretty fucking clear that DS is on fatshart's radar

[dull scroll]

suuuuuuuure

[prime elk]

like i said, maybe nothing will happen 🤷‍♂️

but we do have the leaked patch notes

[dull scroll]

ds gonna get nerfed yappers been yapping for literal years now

[prime elk]

soon tm

[dull scroll]

this weapon of massive destruction used to be psyker exclusive, thanks to the yappers now everyone has it

jelly bunch

[prime elk]

yeah DS used to be balanced by psyker players

now that the vets and zealot have it, people realized it's op

[gray juniper]

That shit is pretty criminal imo

Never give those step children nothing

[ripe obsidian]

(◉ _ ◉)

[potent echo]

Why would we be jealous

[potent echo]

If anything there are more people on the nerf DS train now

[ripe obsidian]

That's more violent than is necessary

[worldly rose]

Hey man we vets just want something unique instead of just hand-me-downs.

[ripe obsidian]

:(

[deft stump]

I honestly don't care. Some ppl need crutches to enjoy so...

[deft stump]

Look, lazy. STARE.

[ripe obsidian]

Gun is not stare!

[worldly rose]

Hey is this loaded?

[gray juniper]

An eventual correction doesn’t excuse an era of crime

[dull scroll]

it's the special

it stuns them

[gray juniper]

Don’t worry you have the plasma gun

[deft stump]

Stare with gun.

[gray juniper]

Oh yea that’s right

[worldly rose]

Which has been there since day 1, the other three got stuff that was actually shiny and new, so far veteran hasn't gotten anything that wasn't new and unique to vet.

[gray juniper]

Doesn’t the combat knife punch do the same thing? I don’t use the knife either

[worldly rose]

And the plasma gun is in a limbo of constantly being nerfed and buffed at random.

[potent echo]

What do you want fatshark to do though

[gray juniper]

FS lowkey hates vet

[potent echo]

Give us 10k premium currency

[gray juniper]

I’m mostly meming around

[worldly rose]

Vet is meant to be kind of basic yes but there's still more to that simplicity.

[dull scroll]

vet now is unironically the support class, does less dmg than a book bot 😂

that been said extremely strong utility and carry

[worldly rose]

I see a lot of vets rocking the recon lasgun now and turning it into a crit hose.

[dull scroll]

recon is very good

[potent echo]

That's psyker

Well psyker needs to reload once in awhile that's the main difference

[gray juniper]

It’s both tbh

[ripe obsidian]

I don't have enough emoticons to respond to all of these

[worldly rose]

Mfw psyker class does guns better than the gun class.

[gray juniper]

Yea that is kinda fuct up

[potent echo]

Vet rework coming soon promise

After zealot rework, so 2028!

[potent echo]

Just in time for our jeans to get stolen

[deft stump]

I have too many from Mains.

[worldly rose]

Overheating hellgun just seems so obvious.

[potent echo]

They even have a template in VT2 engineer

[worldly rose]

Old style hellguns, which are mounted on the back.

Not the hotshot lasguns.

[gray juniper]

So you basically become the machine gunner

[vestal trench]

all the reviewbombers who threw a fit near release when power sword got nerfed have caused veteran to be the least favorite child

and i do not blame fatshark

[potent echo]

I don't think veteran ever lost favourite child status

Well until arby came out

[gray juniper]

Dawg it’s clear. They moved Arby into his room

[potent echo]

The triple pee combo is still strong as ever

[vestal trench]

arbi consitently reaching psyker levels of damage in my havoc games is crazy

[potent echo]

They get toughness from existing

Get damage from attacking

[deft stump]

Why is gaslight mains gaslighting me in general now?

[potent echo]

Is fax

[gray juniper]

I miss vet like a mofo on the team

And i haven’t even played long

[vestal trench]

i'll play helbore vet and miss all my shots 👍

[deft stump]

Just play vet, and be sad.

[gray juniper]

I leveled a vet and trying to get out of damnation hell with it

[vestal trench]

do a WS double barrel build

it's fun

budget zealot

[deft stump]

Damnation isn't hard... just pubs.

[prime elk]

considering helbore got a massive projectile size buff...

[gray juniper]

I’m going power sword and bolt pistol because that plasma roll is too much for me

[deft stump]

Just dump thermal. Or get a 70/70.

[gray juniper]

70/70 sounds way easier

[deft stump]

Because 68-69 is just MINMAXXING. The diff is really slight between 1-3 points.

[potent echo]

Plasma roll is definitely not required at all

[deft stump]

Is just nice to have as much charge rate as you can.

But going 60 thermal can also just work anyway.

[plucky flax]

🤔

[hard widget]

i thought you never needed to use plasma right click

[potent echo]

The charge rate is for the left click

Because fatshark coding things

[hard widget]

oh

[vestal trench]

i find ways

[hard widget]

i dunno, i got no plasma guns

[deft stump]

It works on primary. The way they did it is primary is a set low charge per shot. There's still the ramp up to shoot.

[vestal trench]

this is why i cannot be trusted to get specials on zealot

what the fuck is a drop trajectory

[dull scroll]

gravity

[deft stump]

It means pull out bistol and headshot trappah.

[hard widget]

are there cosmetics you only get for playing havoc

[vestal trench]

why did bistol have to be not great @ carapace bruh

i just want to heavy sword the world, but carapace

[vestal trench]

moebian 51st cosmetics

[hard widget]

is that all?

[vestal trench]

or isit 52nd

[hard widget]

and is it a full set

[vestal trench]

what the fuck are numbers

[dull scroll]

use fullauto bolter

[vestal trench]

yeah they a full set

[dull scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/machine-gun-gif-18791242

[deft stump]

Full sets. One for each base class.

[hard widget]

is there somewhere I can see em

i just wanna know if they got drip

[deft stump]

I think you can preview ingame.

[hard widget]

i guess I can see it locked cosmetics

[deft stump]

Since penance stuff.

[hard widget]

they dont look very drippy, but thats just me ig idk

[potent echo]

They can have handheld minigun in 1987 but we can't have it in 40000

[deft stump]

I just like the pants.

For vet.

[ripe obsidian]

@deft stump I just somehow ended up in a mission with like 250 ping. Holy moly, that sucks

[hard widget]

can you check your ping during missions

[potent echo]

With a mod

[ripe obsidian]

Mod

[deft stump]

Just push everything early and hope for the best.

[potent echo]

As usual

[hard widget]

come on fs

[plucky flax]

She will say stop being noob and play at 300 ping.

[hard widget]

lemme check the ping at least

[plucky flax]

Things stop hitting you cos you lag all over the place.

[potent echo]

Fatshark customer slogan

[deft stump]

And then they hit you all at once later.

[ripe obsidian]

I kept hitting things that were already dead, but they hadn't registered as dead yet

Or rubberbanding back into gunners

[vestal trench]

this is why karien is god's strongest soldier

sea gang strength

the sanctionedpsyker to unsanctionedpsyker

[deft stump]

Cos clients only care for impacts. But damage is server. Expect to use twice or thrice the ammo to kill.

[vestal trench]

yeah it's the image i sent but theyre all in game

[hard widget]

oh i see

[ripe obsidian]

Somehow my FPS in this game is getting worse every day, it seems. I've lowered everything to low/medium, and I am getting a worse framerate than on high like 6 months ago

[vestal trench]

tbh i only want the psyker one

[hard widget]

that zealots kinda nice

its different from the usual zealot stuff

he looks like he gets paid

[dull scroll]

I noticed my frame dropping today for no discernable reason as well. Might be just because of summer

the temperature

[ripe obsidian]

I'm dropping to like 80 FPS in the Mourningstar instead of my usual 120 and down to 50 in missions

[ripe obsidian]

My GPU doesn't seem to be spiking over like 60 C. Processor isn't overloaded either, as far as I can tell.

[potent echo]

I have random bad launches sometimes

Just close and relaunch 😵‍💫

It's like the GPU forgor it's supposed to be running a game and doesn't clock up

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, honestly, it seems like that. GPU is sitting at like 55 degrees, barely working.

[plucky flax]

It's just FartShart coding.

[ripe obsidian]

It is frustrating

[potent echo]

Still better than arrowhead

[strong gulch]

hi

[ripe obsidian]

Greetings

[strong gulch]

How goes the evening?

[ripe obsidian]

Mildly frustrating. I am having weird performance issues in Darktide despite turning all of my settings down.

[strong gulch]

RIP.

Have you tried turning them up?

[ripe obsidian]

I have not

[strong gulch]

I bring that up because deadvoid gets better performance turning them up for some reason.

But I also remember Path spiralling trying to optimize his game and get frames and whatnot to not drop.

[plucky flax]

If you're on nvidia.

[strong gulch]

So maybe peace find you.

[plucky flax]

Turn on instant replay.

I have weird frames stutters with it off.

[strong gulch]

I don't know much about performance, but that sounds really odd.

[plucky flax]

It's like frame gen or some smoothness option is off when that option is off.

[ripe obsidian]

Instant replay is recording, no?

[plucky flax]

Ye but just have it on.

Without recording.

It's just so you can save the last x minutes of gmeplay with a button press.

[ripe obsidian]

That's in the nvidia control panel?

[plucky flax]

In the overlay.

Default key is alt + z

[ripe obsidian]

What driver version are you using?

[plucky flax]

I'm using latest.

Oh there's one just came out yesterday.

I'm not on that so 2nd latest.

[ripe obsidian]

Could be bad drivers. I'll try updating as well. Mine are like 2 months old

[strong gulch]

I'm gonna update too. I never got a notification bubble.

[ripe obsidian]

wtf

[strong gulch]

uhh

[ripe obsidian]

Nvidia is rude.

[strong gulch]

Maybe only while game is open?

no

I can open it

[sturdy reef]

I always have micro stutter in DT if I dont set everything to the lowest

[plucky flax]

What gpu do you have?

[sturdy reef]

6700xt

[plucky flax]

Nvidia overlay/shadowplay 's been out for years.

[ripe obsidian]

3080

[plucky flax]

Oh I meant six.

You should definitely have overlay.

Press that icon on top right of nvidia app.

[ripe obsidian]

:(

That is the button I pressed

Which gave me the error

[plucky flax]

[ripe obsidian]

I probably have to restart my PC. I'll do it later.

[plucky flax]

PC restart and hope for the best.

[ripe obsidian]

The driver update seems to have given me ~10-15 frames back, at least in a cursory test

[strong gulch]

Maybe settings will work?

Top option

[potent echo]

Nvidia overlay seem to break things more than fix things

Also steam recording doesn't work with it

[ripe obsidian]

Never mind, back down to 50 FPS in second test

[strong gulch]

[potent echo]

Darkfard..

[strong gulch]

dropped frames tide

[ripe obsidian]

Meanwhile I'm playing Cyberpunk on High to Ultra with a consistent 80 FPS

[plucky flax]

Maybe you need 5090.

[ripe obsidian]

Pay for it and I'll do it.

[plucky flax]

No I can't even afford it. 😭

[potent echo]

They was some guy in psyker chat posting 4k widescreen with ray tracing 🥹

[ripe obsidian]

What worker thread count do you all use?

[plucky flax]

Pick a random number.

[potent echo]

I think I set it to 11 and never touched it ever

[plucky flax]

As long as it's not maxed out.

[potent echo]

Even after I upgraded cpu

[ripe obsidian]

I have 10 physical cores, 20 logical processors, so I can just roll a d20 and shoot for the moon

[potent echo]

1 core

This isn't VBA

[potent echo]

Cool number

[plucky flax]

13 is fine.

As long as you're not doing 1 or 20.

Xd

[strong gulch]

Oh dip. I never released my pets in abiotic factor before the update. RIP

I only had 2 but sadge.

[sinful perch]

What did the update do with pets?

I played a long time ago on PC but they only had pests and they were kinda useless

[strong gulch]

The way the data for soup and pets, and I forget what else, apparently is changing. If you released your pets out of their cages or wheels before updating, they'll be fine. If not, they'll be gone. Also soups in bowls and pots will be affected.

That's my understanding.

There's info on the community hub.

[sinful perch]

Ahh damn

I'll have to look up all the soups again, I loved being the cook

[strong gulch]

I think you'll still know the recipes, but I am not sure of that. My memory is failing.

Something about made pots of soup all tuning into 1 kind, but soups made after the update will be normal.

Also, filled bowls will basically have a fake soup that won't give you thirst or hunger. You can just pour it on the ground.

I think there was something else food related, but idk what's a spoiler for you or anyone else. It's very minor tho.

[ripe obsidian]

Tox bombers are rude. >:(

[strong gulch]

yes

[ripe obsidian]

I can't regen toughness fast enough to stay in the bubble, but when my team is Arbiters and Ogryns who just stand there, I end up separated

[strong gulch]

yip

[ripe obsidian]

My choice is to choke or gas or get bullied by the shotgunners waiting around the corner

[strong gulch]

If arby and oggy do that. I get very greedy about my bubble placement. Clearly they don't need it.

[ripe obsidian]

Which is to say, I took ~450 damage in that H40 and it was almost entirely the fault of tox bombers. Also a random red Rager that looped around behind the team to kick me

[ripe obsidian]

Funny thing, I feel like I take more damage when running bubble than when running shriek

[vestal trench]

taking notes bc i should start doing this

[strong gulch]

I feel this. Shriek has so much utility beyond fire.

[vestal trench]

had a psyker in a low havoc have inferno staff and not handle the horde when theres a boss...or elites...or in general

even my isp had enough and shit itself so i dcd

they werent even new

like lvl 180 true level

[potent echo]

New to inferno maybe

Everyone's saying it's so good so they had to play it

But nobody told them why it's good

[vestal trench]

i do wonder why inferno here works that much better than sienna's old firestorm staff

[ripe obsidian]

My win rate is probably higher on bubble, just because I can keep the team alive when they do silly things, but my personal performance is better with Shriek

[strong gulch]

That math seems right

[ripe obsidian]

Soulblaze stacks up for more damage overall, and I believe more range on Inferno

Also quelling is much less punishing than venting

Can spam staff more without hurting yourself

[vestal trench]

true

i forgot about how differently soulblaze worked

[ripe obsidian]

I think there's only one level of burn in VT2, with a bonus that doubles it for Sienna

[potent echo]

Dot on inferno was much lower, you didn't have stagger (on elites)

But it's still a lot better in cata than other difficulties

[ripe obsidian]

Also, VT2 is just a harder game

[potent echo]

Where density starts to skyrocket

[strong gulch]

I miss VT2.

[vestal trench]

i should give vt2 a shot again one of these days

[tulip kettle]

it feels so clunky man

[vestal trench]

dont think i ever reached cata

only legend

[tulip kettle]

honestly yeah its great but it shows its age

[vestal trench]

damnation's a joke in comparison

[potent echo]

I used to tell myself that but I came to terms that I'll never boot it up again

[tulip kettle]

darktide got a lot of changes right

[vestal trench]

i never tried the necromancer sienna career so thatd get me back eventually lmao

[potent echo]

Also cata is locked behind a paywall

[strong gulch]

what?

[potent echo]

Winds of magic dlc

So yeah that was a huge problem back then

[ripe obsidian]

I never bought WoM because beastmen are a shitty enemy type

[potent echo]

Ehh you get used to them

[ripe obsidian]

And I didn't want to deal with them

[potent echo]

I love the elites

[ripe obsidian]

Elites are fine. It's the archers and the minotaur I hate

[potent echo]

They removed the low kick they do that's unreactable

[strong gulch]

Hmm never realized. I had the DLC so I guess I never notcied.

[potent echo]

Darktide solution is they made enemies like 500 times slower

Ultra telegraphed

[ripe obsidian]

Oh, and apparently firestorm damaged allies. Woops.

[strong gulch]

ye

[ripe obsidian]

So that's another issue.

[potent echo]

Also made chaos warriors heads gigantic lol

Those were so small

[ripe obsidian]

Friendly fire in VT2 could get rough

[strong gulch]

Getting a javelin to the back of the head was... a lot

[potent echo]

Oh yea VT2 friendly fire lmao

Javelin, bounty hunter F, grenades

[strong gulch]

lmao the grenades

[ripe obsidian]

I once lost a run because my BH ult sprayed two low HP teammates who chose that moment to rush ahead of me

[strong gulch]

So many "You threw it right at me on purpose!"

[ripe obsidian]

I did also kill the boss, but

[vestal trench]

i forget, did dt have friendly fire on launch?

[potent echo]

Just VT2 things

[ripe obsidian]

Some

[radiant frigate]

there are different levels of burn but not exactly stacking

[potent echo]

I don't think dt ever had FF

[radiant frigate]

vt2 flamer staff sucked because it only killed hordes and you had no blitz to deal with specials

[vestal trench]

huh, ig the blue hitmarker just misled me

[radiant frigate]

dealing with hordes too efficiently could also be detrimental as it deprives your team of thp

[potent echo]

Also you had the shotgun staff

[radiant frigate]

toughness grows on trees

[potent echo]

Which is just much better

[vestal trench]

was shotgun the beam?

[potent echo]

And did almost the same thing

[radiant frigate]

the forbidden pasta, coruscatoni?

[potent echo]

Not the beam the coruscation

[radiant frigate]

except this one also torches armor

[potent echo]

You put fire on the floor

[radiant frigate]

and does ST

[vestal trench]

oh

[ripe obsidian]

I know not. I played mostly WHC Saltz and Merc Kruber

[radiant frigate]

(fuck that thing)

[potent echo]

One shots plaguemonks

So poggies

[vestal trench]

beam was the one that had like a hold right click left click point blank explosion

[potent echo]

Beam shotgun is kinda fake it had next to no cleave lol

It gets stopped by shield vermin

[vestal trench]

oh lmao

[earnest frost]

anyone have a psyker build for H40

kinda want the mind burst thingy tho

[vestal trench]

i miss sniping on bolt staff tbh

[potent echo]

But the beam itself was the boss dps

Melted everything