psyker-class

[analog agate]

😄

[strong gulch]

Give back the crab

[analog agate]

Chaos Spawns had nothing on me when doing the crab

[junior linden]

Ty!

[frail escarp]

man, finally played some havoc games where shit doesnt die instantly, and god damn, inferno staff goes hard

also is it real or am i just imagining that the force sword special eats through captain shields faster than normal whacking?

[ripe obsidian]

I don't think it does, but I can't spawn a captain w/ Creature Spawner to check.

I believe the shield has a damage cap per hit

It also takes reduced damage from ranged

I have noticed that the Arby shock maul special seems to do good damage to it, likely because it's a series of hits rather than one big bonk.

[cosmic sigil]

especially since it's bugged af

[round summit]

what am i doing wrong, feels like things arent dying when using inferno staff

[strong gulch]

Inferno needs time to cook and does better when you have things like KF, PC, shriek, etc. If people kill stuff before the DoT has time to cook, especially after oggy buff and arby, then other people are gonna get the kill.

This is especially true if there is low density and you have players holding down W and enemies are half dead or dead before you get there.

[round summit]

ill try see if spec fixes it then

EP or WS?

this one?

[marble crater]

WS

[round summit]

so this?

[ripe obsidian]

What difficulty?

Also, Warp Siphon is the left keystone. It's typically better for Purgatus. Or for any staff that isn't Voidstrike.

EP, the middle keystone, is kind of eh in my opinion. Can be fun, but I don't like it very much

[round summit]

im playing mostly auric maelstrom

[round summit]

ok so first build i linked is better?

[ripe obsidian]

Yes. Personally, I would swap Quietude for Soulstealer, but it's preference

As for Auric Maelstrom, Inferno staff feels kinda eh at that difficulty. It gets better as enemies get stronger and hordes get denser. In Auric, enemies die so quickly that you can struggle to get stacks built up.

Inferno shines in dense hordes of anything that isn't a Crusher

Get 15-16 stacks from the staff, then another 6 from Shriek, then +3 for each elite that dies

And soon enough you have "X killed 20x Mauler"

But if the enemies are too sparse or too weak, you either spend too much time killing poxwalkers in 1s and 2s, or your team wipes out the horde before you can do significant damage

[cosmic sigil]

It's more brisket than barbecue

[weary crane]

Anyone else noticed that the bullwark hordes on havoc only seem to spawn when there is 1 or 2 players left, definitely a troll move

[ripe obsidian]

In good dense hordes, you can get some fun fire damage:

[ripe obsidian]

If you back up too far, the director spawns a Sandwich of Bulwarks

[round summit]

what scoreboard is that?

[ripe obsidian]

This is intended behavior

[ripe obsidian]

Scoreboard + Ovenproof mod + @summer prairie 's fix

[weary crane]

I have a good clip of today when twins and 3 monsters all spawned at the exact same time

[ripe obsidian]

From the Nightmares & Visions patch notes:

    New coordinated horde strike type: “Blockade sandwich”.

Dev Note: This strike may happen if the strike team tries to backtrack too far.```

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, that'll happen. Just bad luck more than anything

[round summit]

u think electrostaff could be better for dmg in auric maelstrom then?

[ripe obsidian]

Probably

[weary crane]

Go with gun gaze in non havoc

Its quick and fun

[vocal axle]

yes

[ripe obsidian]

I used Voidstrike almost exclusively prior to Havoc existing.

[languid pasture]

if youre taking shriek and inferno what do you do about shooters

[ripe obsidian]

Shriek at them, mostly, or find ways to close the distance.

Or hope your teammates have good target prioritization

[analog agate]

Inferno isn’t that good in aurics. Cause power creep has made it so people kill too quickly for the dots to kill

[languid pasture]

its a pain in the butt to master it yeah

[round summit]

this build ok?

[gray juniper]

They even call it sandwich lmaooo

[ripe obsidian]

I think that's identical to the voidstrike build I use in Auric, yeah. Staff is Surge + Warp Nexus. Can use Flak, Maniac, crit chance, etc. for perks.

Fish for crits for the double-ball

I think in my best games, per PowerDI, I was hitting close to 60% ranged crit with True Aim procs

[strong gulch]

Just want to add some context for this build. This is an EP BB build and inferno works the easiest in it.

[round summit]

i wanted to try it with voidstrike 😄

oh nevermind was another image

[strong gulch]

VB built different

ye

[round summit]

sry

[strong gulch]

no sry

🫡

[round summit]

just trying to find something somewhat meta that i like, so im just not only a smite spammer

[ripe obsidian]

Someone in the Havoc queue is running 3x 21% HP+Block/CDR/Revive speed trinkets on Psyker.

[strong gulch]

what a chad

get them up and block everything

[gray juniper]

I hate when you’re suppressing a pus hardened burster to buy time while dealing with a rager or something in your face and then it’s like “ok fine watch this” and face plants 50 feet away but still damages you

[ripe obsidian]

I had a burster wipe me the other day because it ignored 3 force sword pushes and one push attack to dive into my face

If I had a clip, you would see my first push be pretty casual, second one concerned, and the third + push attack frantic

[gray juniper]

Man sometimes it makes me question myself so hard

[strong gulch]

bursters are bullshit

sometimes they are fine but sometimes it's like WHYYYYYY

[gray juniper]

Jokes aside did they get some ai buff recently?

I don’t remember myself having all these problems with them

[strong gulch]

Idk, but they have been worse for me lately

They are the same problems that have been around

but they do feel wirse

worse

[ripe obsidian]

They've been denser, quieter, and harder to push for me for the last few weeks

Doesn't help that Arby dogs will sometimes push them back at me

[gray juniper]

That’s the thing. In normal matches with no modifiers an aggressive approach and push attack would put them down all the time. I’m seeing them go slow clock or just get back up

[marble crater]

No, the first one, that's EP

[ripe obsidian]

Based on how slowly the coat tails drift down on the fancy Psyker coat, the thing must be made of tissue paper

[marble crater]

Just voidblast the burster, what's the problem

[strong gulch]

I did an auric yesterday with back to back immunes bursters.

I complained about it and then the arby with a brick on the W key said, "Someone with H40 complaining."

[gray juniper]

Wow. I’m assuming you gave him the barrel

[strong gulch]

No. I pre blew those up.

I just said " yes server bad"

[gray juniper]

Awl

Should’ve barreled just bc

[strong gulch]

Image just spawning barrels

[gray juniper]

Lmao

You’ve set an evil streak off in me

[strong gulch]

So how'd y'all get banned??

well

barrels

all of them

[gray juniper]

In matches with a lone Arby going too far ahead while others are struggling I give him all the barrels until he slows down

[marble crater]

Potato and "accidentally" barreling the team. Name a more iconic duo.

Sometimes the barrel will get triggered after you were starred at to make sure you are within range and then later it was still not on purpose, yeah right

[round summit]

do i use assail with the assail voidstrike spec?

[marble crater]

What's the assail voidstrike spec?

[round summit]

[late rune]

Does Havoc have some kind of difficulty peak at 20/30/40 but not inbetween? Friend and i just beat 30 which for us always had 3 modifiers plus the fading light as opposed to 2 mods and FLs at every level before that but now at 31 its back to only two modifiers?
Also is it just pure RNG with mods cos every 30 we tried either had inferno or pox gas or on a couple occasions ventilation purge with sniper spam but this time it was just ventilation purge on its own, no sniper spam plus 2 regular mods.

[ripe obsidian]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3375980903

[strong gulch]

sry it was me

[marble crater]

Yes it was

[strong gulch]

[marble crater]

I had the pleasure of blocking someone again earlier. Between the speedrunning and intentionally triggering a DH and bringing him to the rest of the team in the airlock it was just too much

[late rune]

So have we just been stuck in a "theme" where theres been a 3rd modifier lol? Wed been assumign 3 was just the standard at 30+

[ripe obsidian]

Every multiple of 5 can have a theme

[late rune]

and thats only a 5% chance? Is it permanent? Cos both me and me friend were the same we always play together and we both had triple mods on H30. We failed it tons of times, re-did 29 and failed again, rinse repeat every time 30 had a 3rd modifier for us 😦

[ripe obsidian]

Oof. Just lost another last man standing game. Solo'd the Pogryn and all the elites/specials that came with it, dodged the dogs, the trappers. Then missed the stairs when trying to dodge sideways onto them, got caught by a mutant, and thrown into like 5 gunners

[ripe obsidian]

    chance_for_default_theme = 0.95,
    max_circumstances = 2,
    max_modifier_level = 5,
    num_ranks_per_circumstance = 5,
    num_ranks_per_positive_modifier = 3,
    forced_themes_ranks = {
        5,
        10,
        15,
        20,
        25,
        30,
        35,
    },
    themes = {
        "darkness",
        "ventilation_purge",
        "toxic_gas",
    },

That's pulled from the source code

        if havoc_rank == checked_rank then
            use_theme = true

Holy moly, the low 30s in Havoc are a nightmare

[strong gulch]

true

[deft stump]

Ppl already complained 25-35 is where you suffer.

[ripe obsidian]

I just watched an Arby beeline through the opening section of Dark Communion while I was fighting a Pogryn and a rager horde. I won the fight, but they'd already drawn in the twins and a BoN and died.

I just wanted to goof around in easier havoc missions. D:

This is harder. D:

[wispy bay]

20-35 ish is way harder than 35-40.

[deft stump]

Cos bleed dog happened.

Most ppl ended up hard carried by it to places they should not be, I guess.

[ripe obsidian]

I got my H40 this time around on Psyker and before dogbleed happened.

[deft stump]

Yes, but I mean others.

[strong gulch]

I have a 35. So I can put it in the 35 to 40 group if you want.

[deft stump]

I'm just too lazy and do Chaos 40 anyway. I need the assists.

[ripe obsidian]

Sure. Gimme just a bit.

[strong gulch]

kk

[deft stump]

Penance hell.

[strong gulch]

gonna restart my PC anyways

[ripe obsidian]

I hope we get a Chaos Wastes-esque mode soon.

Exploring the fabled other hive city, or maybe a space hulk that floated in nearby

[deft stump]

Tyranids?

Deathhulk but 4 funni rejects.

Who wins?

Said 4 funni rejects.

[ripe obsidian]

We don't lose. We don't have to wear helmets

No helmet = auto-win

[deft stump]

Hats and masks are fine.

Never helmets.

Rule of bs plot armour.

[deft stump]

Would still be funni. A squad of SM be a survival game.

4 rejects treating it like zerg rush simulator.

[ripe obsidian]

We're not weighed down by heavy armor

[strong gulch]

PC restarted

[zinc phoenix]

No, it’s been like this since havoc launched. There’s a valley of death in the mid 20s to early 30s with a lot of people who cannot handle it forming teams that constantly lose

[deft stump]

I know, just it got higher when dog op.

[wispy bay]

The dog is a free save from chaos dog and mutant, it does help a lot of people.

The issue now is that the class can only does so much, skill issue is still skill issue.

[ripe obsidian]

Okay, whenever

[wispy bay]

A lot of people also think: this build carried so far, that means it is good, couldn't be my skill issue.

Pretty much what a Gunlugger in H25 told me...

[strong gulch]

https://discord.gg/sAK3NXUu

[gray juniper]

I’m like hard locked at 25 because I can rarely get closer to 28. Then this past week I got knocked down a few ranks trying things with random pubs. It’s a steep hill yea

[patent jacinth]

I played havoc like twice and probably won't again until I have a stable group

[gray juniper]

Bro I crashed at one match launch and when I loaded back in immediately they were all dead but one 😭

[gray juniper]

Yes really hoped to see more of this. It’s what I assumed auric would be like initially

When I saw the “auric storm survivor” tag I got super excited thinking there’s a map where you’re being debuffed by a dusty warp storm in low visibility and tough enemies

[deft stump]

Is why most just play with ppl they know.

[gray juniper]

In a way this sucks because I could but that’s people from here. Most of you I converse with from here are already havoc 40 cleared. So that would basically be me being carried. I don’t feel like I’d truly progress skill wise doing that

I do think I’m going to put up an ad in the LFG later though

[summer timber]

what are some goated melee options for psyker that arent either of the force swords, dueling sword, or rashad

trying to find something new

[deft stump]

I get carried though. I mostly goof around.

[analog agate]

Pubbing makes you better. How I got good. Agent did the same (he could have already been good idk)

[summer timber]

i dont have any friends so i have also only ever pubbed

i actually dont like playing with the few friends i play with

taking the game too seriously and they back out on the high level stuff

"and im grabbed by the mutant again, this game is such dogshit"

everybody getting grabbed by mutants it ok

[strong gulch]

mad

[plucky flax]

You had 1 job.

[deft stump]

Naw, Chaos has to hard carry someone who keeps forgetting ult exists and running around panicking.

[deft stump]

Getting carried?

:3

[plucky flax]

[deft stump]

I mean, mutie wave getting grabby is normal. XD

[deft stump]

Oh, bed for you? Nini then.

[summer timber]

yeah thats what i mean but any mistakes = no fun to them

they fear challenge

[deft stump]

Just try to get next to a wall... XD I mean, trappers are the worst.

[summer timber]

ok wait hold on

is it just me or are trappers ridiculous this update

i feel like im getting caught all the time on some bs

[sturdy reef]

They always shoot thru geometry

[deft stump]

They are. I get trapped through walls even. Might be 300 ping though.

[sturdy reef]

Hitbox on trapper nets have been ass for a while

[summer timber]

ive been getting trapped through stuff for a while now but i mean the nets hitbox

[deft stump]

It's really jank.

[summer timber]

maybe my timing just got junked up somewhere along the way because i feel like im getting caught by pixels

[deft stump]

Just think of it as WAY bigger than what you actually see.

[summer timber]

like on my screen itll look like i made it, but then i get caught and now im on the ground

[deft stump]

Like how Jakiro's Q is longer than it seems.

[summer timber]

maybe im only just noticing it this update

[gray juniper]

That’s atrocious I’m sorry

[summer timber]

im ok playing by myself tho tbh

pubs are more fun and chill

[deft stump]

That's also packet loss... The servers are a karking mess on top of it.

[summer timber]

until havoc

[gray juniper]

Intentionally breaking coherency for no good reason and backing out of havoc games is the worst

[summer timber]

very true, gotta love latency being sprinkled on top of everything else

[summer timber]

i could not believe there were leavers in havoc when i started playing the higher levels

[deft stump]

You don't say. We had someone leave mid game without saying anything after he died and waited too long for a pick up, I think.

[summer timber]

genuinely shocked me because its not even like we'll get backup because theres no quickplay

[gray juniper]

There’s a reason soldiers get shot in real life for desertion

[summer timber]

i assume if youre hopping on havoc you're giving it at least a full try, maybe 2 if you're feeling the vibe

[deft stump]

It was an absolute dookshow, and he died after grabbing the medicae so... hurp.

[deft stump]

You can't even beg ppl to join anymore.

Havoc parties are now locked in.

In v.1, you could wake someone up at 5 AM to ask them to help by replacing the leaver.

[summer timber]

i remember talking about adding leave penalties before havoc was even around, and i could see a lot of the arguments people were making against that idea but

now that havoc is a thing

idk im starting to think we might need it

[summer timber]

i know i would get invites all the time from like 2 ppl i played with once

[gray juniper]

This chick dropped out of a havoc 20 because she only did level 10 before and was clearly a new psyker. It’s literally ok to die over leaving outright

[summer timber]

i would rather pick you up over and over again and rescue you a million times than you leave

[zinc phoenix]

Same as the bot 🤷‍♀️

[summer timber]

maybe its because i play so many pubs but i dont mind having a shit teammate

[deft stump]

Is a 20, a learning experience.

[summer timber]

might as well get all the passive buffs you get for them the few seconds theyre alive

[deft stump]

Funni, bot free ammo helped. XD

[zinc phoenix]

I’d rather have the bot because it shoots specials

[summer timber]

i also cant believe it doesnt auto start ppl on havoc 16 like it did with me, i felt it was a pretty happy jumping point from maelstrom. not much more difficult but also new elements that i had to get used to

[warm glade]

Nice

[deft stump]

Or tries to?

[gray juniper]

This zealot did us like that. I’m like seriously bro? You made a mistake and just own it. It’s not the end of the world and you lose nothing by it

[warm glade]

But when you all die and someone leaves sometimes is a game saver lol

[deft stump]

You get 16 by completing Auric Mael over normal Mael.

[summer timber]

im not even looking for a "sorry" or "my bad" most of the time unless its like a mega fumble like you blew me and you up with a poxburster you couldve pushed

[summer timber]

you only had to complete normal mael??

i have never ever played the normal maelstrom

i just jumped right into aurics

[deft stump]

Basically. Just wait a little. See how it goes.

[deft stump]

Yes. That gets you Havoc 1 assignment.

[summer timber]

thats actually crazy

ive never played lower than 16 so i have no idea what the lower levels are like on havoc

[analog agate]

They are a breeze. It is what you do to speed run to 100 havocs

[summer timber]

i was so confused too because i would always think to myself "how did you derank that quickly, its really not that difficult"

[deft stump]

Uhh... Penance farming simulator.

Malice HP, but damnation spawnrates.

[gray juniper]

Nah I’ve learned if you take a single loss people will leave. Even if it was a recognizable mistake that could be recovered. The only time people stays for two loses was two Arby’s who were carry milking me and a zealot

[summer timber]

meh

[gray juniper]

They had boss tunnel vision too ofc

[summer timber]

i dont really care abt penances unless they give a cool reward, and usually id rather just do it legit

they make you better

or are supposed to

[deft stump]

Yes, but the idea of doing psyker 40 kills in SG on VoidStrike funni.

[summer timber]

i always run it back if i lose in a havoc unless the host leaves, then i bounce

im worried ill leave and then meet the team in another squad lol

so id rather just stay

[deft stump]

Plus, Is low havocs so we were just messing around.

[zinc phoenix]

I leave if I think the team is morons and stick around if I think they just screwed up

Which usually means another loss

[summer timber]

im not hating on low havocs, i dont even play havoc normally ive just been Maelstroming on Auric

i got the penances i could and when i wanna start this next campaign ill get on it

[deft stump]

Honestly, I understand why ppl want them removed... They make a good filler going up a notch... but they are fillers.

By notch, I mean like going from malice to high int stg heresy.

[summer timber]

it should just be auric maelstrom and then you get havoc, thatd make the most sense

its just upgrading your difficulty like the rest of it is set up

[deft stump]

You don't even get auric tier stuff until 25. Lul.

[summer timber]

Thats what im saying tho lol

itd make more sense to just remove everything up until auric mael equivalent, and then have auric mael be the requirement

[deft stump]

I guess is more... "Inclusivity".

And I can guess is why the pants is set on 25.

[summer timber]

yeah yeah, let everyone get a chance at the free cosmetics

[deft stump]

That's when it starts being auric mael+

[summer timber]

especially seeing how there are few of them

[wispy bay]

I played like trash... So shameful.

[summer timber]

my thing with havoc is that i dont like how your health, toughness and damage get reduced every level by a little bit

it forces you to start playing certain ways, i dont want to feel like i have to resort to using the dueling sword because all my other options cant give enough damage

[deft stump]

(It's to add challenge and difficulty so you can feel a sense of pride and accomplishment beating it.)

GAWDDAMNIT. I NEED TO STOP ADDING BRACKETS SUBCONCIOUSLY.

[gray juniper]

It’s actually really good that maelstrom now includes all boss types and high intensity specialist now. I should ask people how often they do auric maelstrom to get an idea of their play

[deft stump]

You mean never. I get on only when people drag me into one.

[spice oar]

I can’t win a single havoc game above 19 damm

[summer timber]

no no i understand it, thats just my gripe with difficulty in games in general. i dislike when all it boils down to is "you do less damage but also take more damage" and appreciate when it adds other elements like enemy density and such

and i know havoc already does that but again

at a certain point it makes me feel like i have to play a certain way

[gray juniper]

Yea but you’re literally different lol

[deft stump]

(It's to add even more difficulty... Even if it's in the way nobody wants cos bullet sponges are NOT fun. Though density is an issue since at some point, consoles cannot deal with it.)

[summer timber]

yes lol

forget high havoc on console

its not possible

[deft stump]

No. I'm a goofball who plays like throwing a d100.

[gray juniper]

Karien I need something to gauge the skilled from unskilled because these randos are killing me lol

[strong gulch]

Fading light 3 of old havocs and red modifier of current havocs do the "I have to play in a particular way thing" and I hate it tbh.

I also hate floor is goop.

[summer timber]

i remember before they "optimized" the console edition, when i was a baby psyker i used to be a VS smyker and on auric maels it would always crash any console player in my lobby

[deft stump]

@marble crater would disagree. but then again, is Sut.

[summer timber]

id always feel so bad

its probably possible, i just cant imagine its enjoyable to look at it

and might hinder you to the point where you make mistakes because of it

[gray juniper]

I’m console too. Idk about higher but I’ve passed 26 and 27 before

[deft stump]

I'm that bottom barrel damnation player. Why do you ppl expect much.

[gray juniper]

You lie about this the way agent lies about who he is

[deft stump]

Fine, I'm still that bottom barrel heresy player.

[gray juniper]

I’ll hop on yours if we can get a solid third

[gray juniper]

Nah you’re very humble

[deft stump]

Nope. I just goof around and panic at trapper noises.

[gray juniper]

Same finger movement fatigue syndrome

[summer timber]

yeah exactly

or using dueling sword

[deft stump]

Why do ppl suggest getting keep swinging, full auto and unga bunga?

I just run hair trigger so any accidental twitch is a light.

Oh, actually... I wonder if that guy left because he found out I'm on controller.

[gray juniper]

That’s why I’m trying to work the deimos. It’s somewhat the same but somewhat different. It at least has different strikes. I don’t want to basically be forced into a cutout every time

[gray juniper]

Yea the rest of the buttons still need to be pressed. Sometimes it’s just straining by hand position I guess

Those paddles have improved my life remarkably tho

[deft stump]

Gud stuff. Is why we both say is worth. Even if I use them for dumb stuff... >_>

Sprint and special. XD

Makes AFKing on oggy easier for MM.

[gray juniper]

Those aren’t bad choices tbh

[deft stump]

Less damage to sticks.

[gray juniper]

I HAD to put sprint on the paddles. Joystick press was severely inconsistent in game

[deft stump]

Clicking them too much actually wears them out faster from what I know.

[gray juniper]

I thought so too

Always getting stick drift on left stick

[deft stump]

So, paddles be for those.

[gray juniper]

I moved special to B because I only need it in specific situations

[summer timber]

i’ve been having a hard time with the force swords, haven’t been having a lot of fun with them on my EP BB VS build but i need a good single target so

that’s not bb

[tulip kettle]

FGS MK 6 is the answer

also

some people here post their like match history

when i press scoreboard history game just crashes

any ideas how to see my game history and scoreboards and not crash anyone?

[summer timber]

no no

i already use that

[tulip kettle]

and you dont like?

[deft stump]

Oh. I use it when I remember it, like my ult. Which... There's a reason i dumped power output on my Smaul and shield.

[tulip kettle]

what dont you like?

[summer timber]

i do like it

i’m already using it for another build

[tulip kettle]

i think this is just why inferno is so prevalent, it just solves the problem of most of the modifiers

focus pinks? just burn it all

[strong gulch]

ye

even VB gets fecked over by red

[tulip kettle]

focus reds?

just burn it all

pus skin?

yup, burn it all down

[ripe obsidian]

I feel like I am getting worse at dodging disablers, and I do not know why

[strong gulch]

I feel just as bad.

Maybe arby dog?

[ripe obsidian]

Maybe. Got too used to pinging problems and them disappearing

[hearty wolf]

Just gotta play as if you'll die if you get disabled

That way you learn to dodge through teammates to sacrifice them instead

Mobile cover

[hearty wolf]

Make sure your mods are outdated and only open the match history screen in the morning star. Not in any of the menus

[spice oar]

I have a strict mantra of getting to forty through randoms

Aka I hate voice chat in this game lol but thanks

[long wharf]

make sure the mods are outdated?

[hearty wolf]

I... just woke up

😭

[tulip kettle]

ty

i have fixed it

but did not have save scorebaords

my last is from 2023 lol

[stable silo]

how come if a psyker overheats his head explodes but if a zealot overheats the game says your okay buddy just kewl down

[last shore]

💀

[deft stump]

Cos zealots can't manage heat as well, right? Kapp.

[gray juniper]

The mark 6 great sword is old reliable and true but since I’m doing fire and bubble in havoc it’s hell when someone is running way ahead

I think this guy legit had adhd and couldn’t help himself. So it came down to using the bubble selfishly which feels scummy in a way because the team kept getting too spread out

[strong gulch]

Using it selfishly often lines up with overall need tho.

[vestal trench]

why is final toll

bottom text

[deft stump]

They just become immune to cc, attack faster and do more.

[vestal trench]

yeah

[deft stump]

On a certain hp threshold.

[vestal trench]

not great with W key arbites in the team

im just ranting abt it

LOL

then again we also do have a smyker on the team so maybe this was doomed from the start

[strong gulch]

Red 😭

[deft stump]

Oh, then I read what you typed wrong. I actually nearly brought forceful into red... lul.

[vestal trench]

should i just bubble knight this

even inferno feels shit

[tulip kettle]

you lost that because idira is bad

nothing else

[dull scroll]

holy shit what a name

[ornate hamlet]

You don't need to hold your abilities until you're sure the entire team will benefit

[tulip kettle]

you use your ability when the game tells you to

same as everything

[vestal trench]

it's my brand

[ornate hamlet]

There are plenty of situations when you'll benefit from using it for yourself and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that whatsoever

[tulip kettle]

often its not just for yourself, but you use it for yourself and it allows everyone else to reorientate themselves to the game

[ornate hamlet]

And depending on what you're doing, you'll already be playing with many people who aren't playing firmly depending on you to use your ability for them

I don't care if I have a VoC vet keeping my toughness up, but if they want to do it, sure

[tulip kettle]

i think generally the game sort of tells each player what they should be doing in each moment

maybe im truly crazy or the voices from the warp are at it again

and if one player is not doing what the game tells them things slowly fall apart

[dull scroll]

discard bubble servitude, embrace vent superiority 😏

[sturdy reef]

embrace shriek

[sturdy reef]

embrace SG

[tulip kettle]

i also have starte to agree

bring shriek

games make you shriek instead of bubble

[sturdy reef]

lol

[tulip kettle]

which means cooler scoreboards

[sturdy reef]

I prefer scriers over it

[ornate hamlet]

I already tell from stuff like whether people are trying to shoot at the bomber or not

[tulip kettle]

i cant get along with scriers in 40

i cant read the signals for it correctly

[dull scroll]

your winrate's gonna be abysmal but your scorebard will look like you are a god and that's all it matters

[sturdy reef]

ne1 wanna do h40

[ornate hamlet]

If an enemy is alive for a second longer than they should, I shift my focus to that

[tulip kettle]

i have played 9 won 6 today

i think im sort of done

[sturdy reef]

np

I usually take my luck in party finder

[tulip kettle]

same but i have started to collect players who know whats up

[sturdy reef]

just get the warp unbound mod tbh

[tulip kettle]

not that

its when to use it

[sturdy reef]

oh

[tulip kettle]

with bubble

[dull scroll]

I never invite my list except during the reset climb

good teammates make insane scoreboard impossible

[tulip kettle]

the game tells you when to use it

with shriek same

but with scriers i cant read when its telling me to use it

[sturdy reef]

BEHOLD

THE POWER OF FARMING

and scriers

[dull scroll]

gotta farm them randos 👍

[tulip kettle]

broken OP played badly

and you played for the 2 of you

the other 2 guys did fine

[deft stump]

I mean, this is why Chaos carries me. Easy scoreboard.

[ornate hamlet]

You guys know how you can ping a location for players to go?

[sturdy reef]

I died to a fire

that crawled up the entire staircase

[ornate hamlet]

Bubble is that but people actually do what you asked

[dull scroll]

Chaos is the only other person I know that farmed a 3mil

[tulip kettle]

game makes em in h 40

[sturdy reef]

it was a barrel at the bottom of the staircase

[tulip kettle]

and in that case rem

the game told you to keep moving forward but you didnt

[ripe obsidian]

I maybe can later. But I've been on a bad losing streak.

[ornate hamlet]

I should macro the chat so that each time I pop a bubble I'll type "GAMERS, I AM HOLDING THE W KEY NOW"

[deft stump]

Don't need to farm when I do like 300k damage tops.

[ornate hamlet]

Better than 299

[ripe gazelle]

okayh im struggling with finding a reliable build. inferno bb havoc?

[fresh reef]

Inferno bubble is quite literally the easiest to play and most powerful havoc build that Psyker has

[ripe gazelle]

no totally

im trying to find where a build is listed preferably a gamelantern made one

[fresh reef]

But?

Ah

Lemme whip one up rq

[ripe gazelle]

i like dueling mk 4 as well but i know its getting nerfed...

[spice oar]

So when is fat shark gonna fix unlucky for some and warp rupture 🙏

[fresh reef]

2 flex points

[ripe obsidian]

Soulstealer > Quietude imo

[fresh reef]

Yeah but like

CDR bubble

lol

[dull scroll]

soulstealer is > quietude, but the real prize is battle meditation which requires quietude

this is my burga at the present

[ripe obsidian]

I dropped BM so I could survive more.

Traded it and Quietude for Soulstealer and OwtW

[vestal trench]

full health
get knocked by a plague ogryn into sniper los
ded

psyker is suffering fr fr

also v interesting to see how fast people get shredded when the psyker goes down bc no bubble ._.

[strong gulch]

There's and inferno build in the 2nd pin. Swap shriek to bubble, drop quietude and grab EE.

Here's the thing tho, the higher you go in havocs the more punishing it is. Make sure the build work for you.

If you survive better with x instead of y, it might be better to go with y.

[ripe obsidian]

Tho tbh, I think OwtW does actually nothing in H40. Any single attack from any enemy still kills all toughness

[dull scroll]

it doesn't, it helps a bit with ranged atks, but then if you have bubble that's that

[fresh reef]

33% TDR Def makes a difference

For ranged

[ripe obsidian]

Not much

[fresh reef]

If you're getting hit at all by melee attacks, krill issue

Quite shrimply

[ripe obsidian]

A single basic shooter will still clear toughness in 3 shots, even with OwtW. That's with 90 or 100 toughness

[dull scroll]

the biggest mitgator of ranged atk is bubble, deflector, and curio

[deft stump]

KD+Deflector?

[thorn cedar]

Empathic Evasion actually

[dull scroll]

and EE of course

[fresh reef]

Ideally, you have some form of toughness replenishment running at all times

Mettle, EE for mitigation, DD regen, etc

[dull scroll]

also the most dangerous ranged atks generally comes out of nowhere when you are low on peril, so OwtW isn't even in play

[vestal trench]

that was the smyker, said they were running a support build after the wipe lol

[dull scroll]

tis the meme

[fresh reef]

Support builds are a meme

Unironically

[ripe gazelle]

okay so im losin it

[ripe obsidian]

Aye. Walk around a corner into eighty gunners, or a random shooter sneaking out of a spawn door

[vestal trench]

also to git gud at havoc is this a good list of things to prioritize?

1.) learn where to fight, learn when to back up if in a bad position
2.) master your defensive options
3.) be comfortable in melee or ranged
4.) fully utilize your movement tools
5.) know when to use your ability
6.) (psyker specific) peril management

[ripe gazelle]

Inferno Brain Burst Bubble build, preferably w/ weapon blessings and curios and all? where can i find this?

[vestal trench]

am i missing anything?

[vestal trench]

a vet wouldve been better support fr

[fresh reef]

Every single player I've seen calling themselves a support has been a <thing> bot

List of things including but not limited to: piss toughness, smite, martyrdom player that doesn't abuse martyrdom

[vestal trench]

also just, shock mine arby fully outclassing smite

[fresh reef]

Smite 2: Somehow even less ethical than before

[ripe obsidian]

Wait, wtf. Does OwtW not work in the Psykhanium?

[dull scroll]

vet is unironically at the present meta the support class 😂

[ripe obsidian]

I am taking the same damage with 100 peril as with 0

[deft stump]

Some ppl are just more honest in naming their stuff.

[fresh reef]

Doing your one singular gimmick 25% of the match and being dead the other 75% isn't a very good supportive playstyle I'm ngl

(sorry, very jaded by low havoc suffering)

[deft stump]

Team mom feeding you toughness and extra ammo one way or another, staggering stuff, fixing booboos with Field Improv if needed (Free booms for oggy).

[deft stump]

Low is 1-20 though?

[vestal trench]

is it harder to suppress enemies in havoc?

like is there a hidden modifier for that

or is it mostly hp and damage changes

[fresh reef]

Mid havoc, then

20-30

[deft stump]

That is known hell.

[fresh reef]

Indeed

Had a smyker who was confused when he got instakilled by a Crusher overhead

[vestal trench]

sorry was me

(has never played smite)

[deft stump]

They failed to smite the crusher?

Nub.

Failed at their 1 job.

[fresh reef]

Worse, actually somehow

The Crusher came at them from the side, and they were backed into a corner

It was the "Oh god he had headphones in" meme all over again

[deft stump]

Yes, but if they wiggled the mouse the crusher would be jigging as well while they beg for help.

[fresh reef]

Bold of you to assume they were using a mouse 🥀

[tulip kettle]

if you dont make a mistake you wont get shot its fine

[fresh reef]

True!

[deft stump]

Jiggle their stick then.

[restive slate]

You like jiggling sticks eh?

[deft stump]

If you are into things that should not be said. ||CBT||

[restive slate]

Playing Vet now without Plasma, Shout and ShredderNades feel a bit like CBT

[deft stump]

Bistol+frags.

[fierce crest]

shredder is frags :(

[patent jacinth]

Shredder is autopistol

[fierce crest]

it says "ShredderNades"

[deft stump]

Yes, but he said plasma.

I do nawt like plasma.

Even if I have a god roll.

[restive slate]

I should have put a "/"

But yea I forgot Bistol

I don't wanna rely on smth they may "balance" out tho

[deft stump]

It's just meh enough so I don't think it's first in line

It's the only real reason to use that gun.

Unless they buff it.

It's the gun with the worst breakpoints.

Ever shot something and they ran off fine with like 1 digit of hp left?

That's the Bistol.

And that includes the full puncture bleedout.

[restive slate]

Other Bistol advantage is sprint speed I guess haha

[verbal thistle]

no context but all the talents I think are not good on psyker

[restive slate]

True

[deft stump]

Yep. So blep.

[dull scroll]

sure you got this one right 😏

[verbal thistle]

whoops

you right

[restive slate]

Hope they buff that subnode of Shriek

Make it stagger bosses too

[thorn cedar]

Mind in Motion fucks i don't care

[verbal thistle]

have you tried sliding?

https://tenor.com/view/silly-funny-reaction-meme-stan-twt-horse-gif-5445268815333743861

[thorn cedar]

Also Biolodestone is very good for EP Smite, 15% chance on any kill when it's melting hordes in about four seconds is basically infinite uptime.

[verbal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/wat-what-huh-confused-kitten-gif-16578675544592554435

smite?

[thorn cedar]

Yes.

[verbal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-gif-15101441684828074549

[deft stump]

What do you mean, psychic vampire bad?

[thorn cedar]

I can't see your trash gifs please use words.

[verbal thistle]

lol

[thorn cedar]

Nah that's the Warp Charge one

EP is Bio or Overpowering

Warp Charges is IFR or Vamp

[gray juniper]

Yes. Like why not just take out the garbage outright? Still a skill based game. Just make builds more versatile to individual style

[potent echo]

I think swap speed is decent but being based on peril is bad and it's on the wrong side of the tree

Debuff on staff lmb might be good one day when we get beam staff

[deft stump]

Souldrinker.

I think someone karked up their placements.

[potent echo]

Devs put it in the wrong place and never apologised

[deft stump]

Think about if they swapped spots.

[potent echo]

Imagine if psykinetic aura swapped with PC

[deft stump]

You would have it and Empyric Shock.

[potent echo]

The end of all psykers

[gray juniper]

Give psyker the spearhead boltgun

[potent echo]

Psygun

[gray juniper]

We just can’t aim down sights for fairness

[potent echo]

That's a buff actually

I love the new shotgun "ADS"

[gray juniper]

Imagine the epic whining if that happened

[potent echo]

Not the actual iron sights on combaties

[fresh reef]

I'm ngl it's actually pretty strong because it somehow makes soulblaze damage even more bonkers

[potent echo]

Ehhh

I ran it wasn't that noticable

Unless you never rmb

[thorn cedar]

It's genuinely just bad, there isn't a single weapon in our entire arsenal that doesn't already have less than like 300ms swap speed.

Now if we got the Bolter ...

[potent echo]

Recon and AGs

They are like the slowest things

But to make the talent worth it, it needs to be like 50% to 200% increase depending on peril

Let us be the funny space gun wizard

[thorn cedar]

It's bad enough it's on the 'staff side' of the tree when staves have 200ms draw time, but it's not like we have anything else that's dramatically heavier.

Even on Veteran though where they have the Bolter and the Helbore to justify swap speed, I still hate it.

[potent echo]

I think I take it on my double barrel weapon spec

It just makes things feel smoother

Not required by any means

[gray juniper]

Plus gun psyker speed reload node. I can already see the reactions

[tulip kettle]

just had a great H40 playing recon MK6 FGS bubbleknight alongside inferno psyker

[gray juniper]

Imagine the spearhead reloading faster than the bolt pistol

[tulip kettle]

26 min archivum sycorax, quick in n out

[gray juniper]

Did he have vent?

[tulip kettle]

already feels insanely nice swapping gun - reload - assail - finish reload n shoot

no 2 bubbles

i cant play SG in havoc im too bad

[gray juniper]

Double bubble is comfortable af in pub maelstrom

[potent echo]

How's gun in H40

[tulip kettle]

works well but

i only played it because it was rituals + rampage

i think if its garden or pus skin you just cant play it really

[potent echo]

What's garden

[gray juniper]

Makes sense

[tulip kettle]

encroaching garden

some enemies glow pinkish

[potent echo]

I don't know the fancy S2 stuff

[tulip kettle]

and heal all the enemies around them

[potent echo]

Healing?

Ok

[tulip kettle]

you cant recon into it because in the moshpits its too hard to focus pinks

and also cant recon into pus skin because it just tickles enemies

[potent echo]

Also I tried voidblast on pus skin and it fully damages them?

[gray juniper]

Probably wasting hella bullets on the walkers in front of them in a mosh pit too

[tulip kettle]

yes

[potent echo]

Or maybe that's a different green effect idk

[tulip kettle]

no pus skin gives them extra armour but im not sure it works vs warp attacks

its hard to test for obvious reasons

[tulip kettle]

and no to this

im about 2 feet taller than the trash mobs

[gray juniper]

What sword is supposed to be used with voidblast? Those open hourglass missions are straining me with inferno staff

[gray juniper]

Oh shit I see

[tulip kettle]

and the specials etc are all taller too

most tryhards make their char as tall as possible for weakspot purposes

[wraith forge]

DS I guess but I like Deimos

[tulip kettle]

you could run anything with VB really

recently i just think FGS is so much better than all the other melees we have

[gray juniper]

I’m about a neck taller and I think it’s working that I’m not getting shot from the back row if I’m meleeing in the front row

[tulip kettle]

you wont anyway usually

[gray juniper]

Ok Ty so I’m on the right track. Great sword doesn’t seem to work out as good

[tulip kettle]

FGS is amazing it just takes practice and learning when to use

[gray juniper]

Ok interesting so height specific is only advantageous?

[tulip kettle]

generally yes

[wraith forge]

FGS is good too but I think it's slow and the pinpoint heavy of DS Deimos seems better

[tulip kettle]

few niche situuations no, but then croush

and the thing is

deimos bad with vb because you just dont need the knockdown

what you really need with VB usually depends on which vb you running

are you running blazing or rending?

[gray juniper]

@tulip kettle this is what I mean because two levels on hourglass are particularly open. I’m trying my best to shorten bubble cooldown but sometimes you get caught in melee anyway and coming out of that is rough when running away with fgs

Like it did it but it’s ugly

[tulip kettle]

yeah but also thats probs just not correct

[ripe obsidian]

I think I just can't win Final Toll missions with randoms. No one is able to burst the armor down fast enough, even without the healing aura, and then I end up having to kite around with a dozen red ragers on me.

[tulip kettle]

its hard to decribe but

do what the game tells you

i am just winning so, so many now

[gray juniper]

I’m so comfy with the heavy melee on mark 6. I don’t want to let it go 😭

[tulip kettle]

keep it

its the best weapon by far

i have noticed like

the game is just always telling you what to do

[gray juniper]

Rending

[tulip kettle]

learn to read what its telling you and do it

and with rending you need horde clear

so, illisi, FGS MK8, devils claw if you swing that way

[gray juniper]

Hmm wise comment

[wraith forge]

Does Kinetic Deflection synergize w the Warp Resistance stat of force sword? Can the FS eat more hits that way?

[gray juniper]

I’ll probably go mark 8

[tulip kettle]

i dont think it scales with warp res

but im not sure

i know it scales with stamina and block efficiency

[thorn cedar]

Yes

[tulip kettle]

i would recommend putting maniac and flak on it

then wrath and your choice of other

[wraith forge]

Can't go wrong with Maniac Flak on anything if you have no idea what to put

[tulip kettle]

then you just L L cancel for hordes and heavies for other stuff

it also means you hit the mutant 1 shot in auric

and you will be using the sword vs rager packs to great effect

the trick is, kite them into line

then full push attack

then get to bonkin

[gray juniper]

Let me be honest for a moment. I don’t understand why kinetic deflection is a go to meta for many high level players in here, notably if they’re not taking deflector

[tulip kettle]

KD is very, very good

deflector not so good

with KD and a force sword

you can tank anything infinitely

without it you fold like paper

[strong gulch]

If you just wanna run around in aurics in a bit where reds won't get us, I'm down.

Almost done with a thing.

[gray juniper]

Ok so does it block ranged also or no?

[tulip kettle]

KD no, deflector yes

but you dont need it to block ranged

if you are dying to ranged its because you otherwise made a mistake

you didnt do what the game was telling you to do

usually that thing is to push the ranged guys

[ripe obsidian]

Sure. I'm feeling disheartened on this Havoc losing streak. Even tried going back to bubble today, no dice

[tulip kettle]

six what time will you be about tomorrow? i need to bed soon

[strong gulch]

Maybe I derank to 1 and bully baby havocs

Wax almost done melting

Then pour and pack things up

[gray juniper]

Yea with trauma I probably don’t need that since it has some range too. The meta inferno force me to playstyle adjust but it’s working

[strong gulch]

@ripe obsidian ready when ever

[ripe obsidian]

Okay, just finished losing another

[strong gulch]

IDK what games you have, but we don't have to play DT if it's too frusttrating rn.

https://discord.gg/usAm9b9N

[ripe obsidian]

One moment

[strong gulch]

kk

we also don't have to VC

[ripe obsidian]

Nah, it's fine. Just talking to partner

[plucky flax]

The damage taken

[ripe obsidian]

You were the 1.3k, yes?

[strong gulch]

it was me
the 1.3l

k

[stable silo]

i just had someone in my game who took 1.9k dmg the chad

[cold ivy]

it lets you block melee for a lot longer, which is useful for getting out of bad situations and also almost guarantees you can revive a teammate even while being constantly hit by trash mobs - you used to be able to block a demonhost indefinitely with kd, i'm not sure if that still works

[plucky flax]

Yus I tanked every hit

[outer birch]

hey brothers, those familiar with voidstrike secondary cancel,
is the 1-2 wep swap faster than
pressing QQ (wep swap keybind)?

[potent echo]

Blitz swap is much faster

At least used to be, idk now

[stable silo]

is scrier gaze warp greatsword teh only warp greatsword?

[potent echo]

Yes...?

[strong gulch]

If you're asking if SG turns all attacks to warp attacks, no.

[stable silo]

nonono i mean build wise

something like that?

[prime elk]

BB gaze is cursed

[stable silo]

i have no idea good good wgs is vs crushers

[prime elk]

Is this supposed to be for a gunker build

[stable silo]

no idea im not sure how to run warp greatsword

or best build style for it

[prime elk]

Just standard gunker build works

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da95bc2-c968-4cd9-9b57-b0d4ef08d341/all-rounder-fgs-gunker

one flex point, you can remove toughness node and put it into PC or something if you want

realistically fgs works with anything

you might just be a bit slow if you do it on staffker

[ripe obsidian]

We won a game, yaaaaaaaaaay

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/dora-dora-the-explorer-boots-yes-jump-gif-13441616326917280505

[plucky flax]

Rumbler ogryn

[ripe obsidian]

He did, in fact, rumble

[jovial juniper]

Rumbling
Rumbling
It's coming
Rumbling

[ripe obsidian]

Much to my chagrin, I do believe we would have lost without bubble.

Mayhaps I need to return to being bubblebot

[hearty wolf]

It's okay

The timezones will realign

The winning will be one possible

[wraith sphinx]

Rumble in the hive jungle

[strong gulch]

I deranked to 34.

36 now tho

[hearty wolf]

O no

Still refuse the meta and good positioning

Just win anyway

[wraith sphinx]

I'm ramk 17 I'm washed

[ripe obsidian]

Is my fault. We bashed our heads against a Power Matrix Red/Purple

I feel like I need a Branx Ogryn for red missions. Someone who can just one-bop Crushers before they get close to me.

Though red ragers tend to be more of an issue

[hearty wolf]

Red purple is always good fun

[strong gulch]

I could have opted out at any point.

[elfin merlin]

about pick n mix penance

i have to kill 4 different elites right ?

[hearty wolf]

Could always just run shock mines since they only get their cc immunity after their last CC right? But that's smite gameplay all over again

Bullrush is like smite too but I accept it for some reason

Less egregious

[ripe obsidian]

Is not so fun as Psyker. Can't survive, can't use any CC, just gotta run away and hope team helps

[hearty wolf]

That's why anticipation is actually op

[round summit]

is devils claw bad?

[elfin merlin]

what does this mean

[ripe obsidian]

Only helps to an extent. I spent like 3 minutes straight kiting the melee twin around the Chasm Station mid event because my team was doing other things. Anticipation wouldn't have changed much

[ripe obsidian]

It means to maintain the maximum number of warp charges for 120 seconds in a single session.

That is the left keystone.

[elfin merlin]

oooh

[summer prairie]

psyker can just take the devil's claw into red purple, might actually start running it more with some staff builds, granted 3x stamina is dubious https://streamable.com/po8u2m

but not like you need it since you aren't fighting 50 ragers

[strong gulch]

I completely forget that devils claw exists

How do the changes feel?

[summer prairie]

still bad vs cara, I think

[wraith sphinx]

they're good, I like them very much! Dclaw feels fun to use now for me

[strong gulch]

Kk

I should practice

[ripe obsidian]

Do you just hold the parry button?

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/mulan-disney-mushu-eddie-murphy-i-live-gif-3560203

[summer prairie]

you've to spam it, or I guess time it if you are good

but if you spam it fast enough it's as good as perfect timing

[nocturne dust]

Until the poxwalker eats your parry and the crusher shows you what a thomping looks like

[summer prairie]

enemies can't eat your parries

[nocturne dust]

Wdym?

[summer prairie]

what do you mean

[nocturne dust]

Overheads have to be parried

[summer prairie]

look at the video above for example

it doesn't matter how many enemies are attacking and from what direction

[nocturne dust]

Yes, but overheads have to be parried

[summer prairie]

every attack has to yes

[nocturne dust]

Parry has a block for every attack that it doesn't parry

while it plays the animation

[summer prairie]

they changed the parry duration, pretty sure there's no window

for the overhead to get through

[nocturne dust]

the overhead gets through if something eats your parry first

[summer prairie]

you just get more peril

[nocturne dust]

the block doesn't work on overheads last I checked

[summer prairie]

is that an actual mechanic, lets see

[nocturne dust]

which, to be fair, was the last time I played Dclaw, which isn't recent

Haven't even played Darktide recently

[summer prairie]

ok yeah that can still happen

[nocturne dust]

If it didn't happen, I would use dclaw in Havoc, lol

[summer prairie]

but it's fine, you still want to keep dodging while parrying as psyker, it's not for the damage

[nocturne dust]

Well, it's somewhat for the damage

you could always just block, lol

[summer prairie]

if you run it with some sg/dd build maybe

but talking about taking it with a staff to final toll for defensive purposes here

[ripe obsidian]

Final Toll is a Bad Time.

[hearty wolf]

That sounds like a KD moment to me

[marble crater]

I would indeed disagree with that

[hearty wolf]

Also a wild Void

Shows up just to school Syllo

What is this aura

[elfin merlin]

@sick heron hellooo

i'm readyy

[wraith sphinx]

eh not really, I spam heavy attacks and just parry wherever I'd normally block

parry spam is nice vs bosses though, if it focuses you you can still deal some consistent damage

[gray juniper]

What exactly is everyone referring to as parry? You’re pressing block and attack at the same time?

[wraith sphinx]

no

it's the unique special action of the devil claw sword

[gray juniper]

Ok that makes a lot more sense

That explains the video also

[elfin merlin]

i dropped deflector after realizing that i can just dodge the bullet

[hearty wolf]

You haven't played havoc I take it

@strong gulch just dodge the bullet bro 😭

the one shooter sitting in the corner of the room

[strong gulch]

Why dodge when I can EE?

[gray juniper]

Yes he’s legit newer than me be nice be nice

[elfin merlin]

dont do me like this

[marble crater]

Being nice, in my psyker chat?

[gray juniper]

Should call it catty chat instead?

Made it from 21 to 26 in a single night after being walked back to 20 from 25. Here’s to the journey to 29

[strong gulch]

My crafting tonight went better than my DT play tonight. Taking wins where I can.

[hearty wolf]

I know, it's tough love

[gray juniper]

Ofc ofc

[hearty wolf]

Anyway point is, it's a good point but you'll never be able to dodge every bullet and on havoc, literally a single shooter (not even a gunner, literally normal mob) can kill you

So if you're caught out of position

You'll just get obliterated

And unless you plan on holding block and sliding, you need to be pretty careful about melee attacks while you're sliding since it doesn't break tracking

Also

Where's my Havoc Storm Survivor title

Give me something to do Fatshark

[gray juniper]

I got downed by a single bruiser/stalker because I wasn’t on my P’s and Q’s last night

[hearty wolf]

It do be like that

[gray juniper]

Caught up trying to be ranged support. Saw bar lower then it’s gone lmao

[elfin merlin]

what's the best ability to pair with brain rupture

[wraith sphinx]

we stay humble

[hearty wolf]

It's better to ask why you're using brain rupture

As in, don't

[elfin merlin]

it's

funny

[hearty wolf]

Your ability doesn't affect your blitz really. It's more about the perks you're taking on the build

Psyker is kind just

"Go left and take left nodes."

Or go right and take right nodes

[elfin merlin]

fair enough

is surety of arms good or bad

[marble crater]

I went down twice in auric yesterday, got shot to hell by reaper and gunners from all sides, I blame the 3 rushing arbites

[gray juniper]

I’m not the expert in the chat but it’s seemingly only necessary on slow reload weapons

[elfin merlin]

clarify

[gray juniper]

It definitely do be like that

After playing with a couple solid teams in havoc going back to auric feels like such a shit show

[wraith sphinx]

the struggle with bad situations is an integral part of the darktide experience to me

[gray juniper]

I’m not sure I can hone and practice some fundamentals or new things by the way pubs run mostly. It’s not even that hard you just get left immediately

[wraith sphinx]

if you could just optimize all the trashmobs out of existence consistently the game would become boring af

[gray juniper]

Some guns take a lot longer to reload. Go into the meat grinder and switch between all the ones you have. Figure out if things are hot if you want to put surety of arms with it

[strong gulch]

SoA is really niche. It gets the most the most value on non SG gun builds.

That wasn't a typo by the way. I didn't mean "nice".

[gray juniper]

This is true. One thing I dislike about this game aspect is that depending on how the team is acting, I end up having to play one of two ways, total commitment to the pack or absolute individual. I don’t like going the individual route but ironically I find myself staying up longer doing that than with a disjointed team

[wraith sphinx]

whats soa again

[gray juniper]

Surety of arms

[marble crater]

Trash

[wraith sphinx]

ah

[gray juniper]

And it’s only used on right side of the tree builds if you do use it

@elfin merlin

[wraith sphinx]

I never used it and I main gunker

completly inconducive to my playstyle

[elfin merlin]

is souldrinker worth it if you run wildfire and combustion

[marble crater]

That right there should tell you everything you need to know

[gray juniper]

That’s pretty much the story

I will sometimes use it because I’m so greedy on scriers gaze

[elfin merlin]

what is the usage of empathic evasion

[wraith sphinx]

bullet immunity, need I say more?

[elfin merlin]

no

[gray juniper]

It acts like a automatic dodge without having to actually ‘physically’ dodge

[strong gulch]

Crit to dodge bullet

Good

[wraith sphinx]

well, best utilized if you make a crit heavy build but yeah

[gray juniper]

If you’re activating a critical hit on an enemy it will keep you from getting shot

[elfin merlin]

what about one with the warp then

is it good

[wraith sphinx]

it's good yeah, toughness damage reduction is always worth it I think?

[strong gulch]

Not always

[gray juniper]

Are you going to be at high peril the majority of the game?

[potent echo]

Depends on your skill routing

It's a little bit far if going for gaze

[marble crater]

It's better than the alternatives, it's not amazing really

[elfin merlin]

assail and scrier gaze

[potent echo]

It's auto pick if going for shield

[wraith sphinx]

I'd say I average at around 65% peril on an average auric match so I'd consider it worthwhile

[gray juniper]

Wait I thought one with the warp was the increased damage with peril

[potent echo]

That's warp rider isn't jt

[marble crater]

That's Warp Rider

[strong gulch]

It's not bad but barely does anything in havoc and TDR scales meh on psyker.

[gray juniper]

Yea my bad

[marble crater]

New psykers, smh

[potent echo]

Didn't play the game constantly for 2 years? Smh

[wraith sphinx]

you don't nolife a shitty endgame mode? smh

[potent echo]

Recreate the psyker skill tree from memory

Now

[marble crater]

I'm looking forward to asking all the noob question over in the Helldivers discord next month

[wraith sphinx]

ok so I pick the talent that instantly kills you

[gray juniper]

When I get my sweet havoc 30 merit badge you won’t be able to talk to me like that anymore!

[wraith sphinx]

then I pick another talent that instantly kills you

[strong gulch]

OwtW can be the difference between living and not. When picking it just ask "What else is there to take?"

[wraith sphinx]

prepare to be dissapointed

the game is full of noobs, weedheads and children

[gray juniper]

Ngl I’ve been peeping some of the strategy details on reels since they had the game out

[strong gulch]

But if it saves you, you're already in a sus position.

[marble crater]

I probably could do 95%

[marble crater]

Helldivers is zealot chat?

[strong gulch]

@marble crater We can dive together!

[marble crater]

[wraith sphinx]

I mean personally I didn't have anything else I wanted to spend talent points on, so I got the TDR node and owtw, it was a big improvement over taking two +15 toughness nodes like I tried out before

[gray juniper]

[wraith sphinx]

yeah I guess but zealot chat at least still has genuinely cracked players

[gray juniper]

Wait. Another drop pod incoming?!

[wraith sphinx]

when I join a random helldivers 2 match on super helldive I usually want to rip my hair out because randoms suck ass and drain the reinforcement pool while accomplishing nothing

[strong gulch]

I am not good at HD2. I don't sweat or really learn, so tell me the things.

[marble crater]

I saw that Helldivers were able to choose a name for their new city or something, and instead of some of the cool and meaningful names they just voted for "Gun" with a very big majority

[glacial vapor]

Just throw the funny balls and win. What is there to learn?

[marble crater]

What's the funny ball do?

[strong gulch]

Gonna make me post my throwdivers vid.

[wraith sphinx]

throw balls far away enough, and don't throw certain balls on objectives

this is an insurmountable obstacle for a lot of players

[marble crater]

Are balls the barrels of HD?

[glacial vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/kaboom-boom-gif-4090446168494834371

[marble crater]

[glacial vapor]

I suppose, yes

[wraith sphinx]

balls call in whatever support option it was programmed to do so yeah

[mental rock]

Sir, we just 500kg'd the psyker

[hearty wolf]

Exactly but the way some people play is to make everything a good situation

[mental rock]

Good

[hearty wolf]

Which imo is boring

[glacial vapor]

You don't like waiting around for 2 min while the objective is on fire?

[hearty wolf]

I.e smite

[wraith sphinx]

it's similar to barrels in that the most popular strikes are indiscriminate wide area strikes which are very easy to ff with

[strong gulch]

HD2 is run in circles simulator for me.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB9cDlrYL_NC7jBVkn5Yp4YtNsuCXGwNF&si=yraFI-_FPG6mRRPd

[wraith sphinx]

I'd say valid but a lot of smite users don't know how to melee or dodge

[gray juniper]

Ok so sounds like I’m definitely going to have to find a clique for this game if there’s that much mouth breathing

[wraith sphinx]

😠

[glacial vapor]

Those 3 scavengers needed to die

[wraith sphinx]

I'd laugh but that's so common I avoid bugdiving altogether

bugdivers piss me off

[hearty wolf]

I don't think it's that deep

The game isn't that hard. Just.

[gray juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/guru-ravidass-ji-good-morning-gif-12719900

I will meditate on this and become one with it

[hearty wolf]

Just beware of the teammates

The most unpredictable enemies are your teammates by far

[wraith sphinx]

yeah

[gray juniper]

Noted

[wraith sphinx]

teammates are a bigger danger than enemies

[marble crater]

I don't understand what's happening, but it looks fun

[wraith sphinx]

I recommend either a jump pack or a shield backpack to increase your lifespan

[gray juniper]

One thing I see a lot is people literally dropping bombs on each other

[glacial vapor]

Checks out

[strong gulch]

I am also confused.

[marble crater]

Spoilers, I didn't know the game had thouse 😠

[wraith sphinx]

the game's been out for years now...

[marble crater]

Not on Xbox

[glacial vapor]

The big surprise comes when you unlock level 4 bugs

[elfin flower]

Arbites are too op processed to babysit a team of them with my worst know class the psyker

[wraith sphinx]

yeah

games become dull when theres more than 1 arbites

[gray juniper]

Lmaoooo he threw it from the back yard

[wraith sphinx]

sligtly problematic situation? throw a nade or a shock mine or sic the dog

instant enemy removal

I was literally tabbing out and chatting in here earlier this hour mid match because I didn't have to do anything

[elfin flower]

Nah I had to take care of them because they were struggling

[gray juniper]

I already know about this heh heh

[wraith sphinx]

ah

that's even worse lmao

[glacial vapor]

Arbites just have no weaknesses, bar muties maybe?

Which the dog takes care of