psyker-class

[fresh reef]

How would one make purgatus ethical to use? Burn dump stat?

[rigid iris]

Or in this case replace heavy with special

[visual osprey]

I like having lights for horde clear and heavies for special targeting

it makes my life easy

[potent echo]

Either will do similar ebough boss damage but I really prefer 6

[visual osprey]

stabs will 1shot any ogryn if hit in a weakspot

[rigid iris]

Wtf is "ethical" purgatus

[potent echo]

Who is ethical purgatus

[fresh reef]

The dream

[rigid iris]

See I am definitely missing something lol

What does this look like

[visual osprey]

hang on

let me reopen the game

[potent echo]

Dump cleave stat tbh

[potent echo]

No the mk8 stab is alot stronger than the mk6 stab

It's just harder to get to

[visual osprey]

I dump mobility and still move as fast as a martyrdom zealot

[potent echo]

And it doesn't combo from special

[fresh reef]

Vorp? What?

[potent echo]

It is

[fresh reef]

Doesn't mk8 have lower base damage?

[potent echo]

No?

I mean

[visual osprey]

paper stats mean absolutely nothing tbh

yall best be going in the meatgrinder to test literally every weapon

[potent echo]

If you want the nerd answer of each move being lower damage profile on average

[rigid iris]

See: powersword light after push attack

Its all about what the devs put on that specific strike as a modifier lol

[potent echo]

And also it doesn't take into account finesse damage

Etc

[fresh reef]

So how much better is the mk8 stab, comparatively?

[potent echo]

I used it only once

[fresh reef]

Ive been a mk6 stan since day one of FGS so I am ill informed

[potent echo]

I have zero clue but my ass pull value is like 1.5 times better

[rigid iris]

Its a fair bit stronger but not enough that it feels worth taking to me

[potent echo]

The time it takes you to push attack stab twice you can probably fit like 2 overheads and 1 stab on mk6

[rigid iris]

I also just find the stslab input icky (I have a skill issue)

[potent echo]

But the main reason I take mk6 is that the stab combos after special swipe

Against elites clumps, special onto stab makes quick work

Also keeps your peril high

[rigid iris]

We spam the special 🗣️

[potent echo]

Save it once in awhile for neuron activation

[rigid iris]

I only save it if there's literally no reason to use it at the given moment ngl

Like if enemies are trickling in for whatever reason

[potent echo]

True

[rigid iris]

Does anyone else find it more annoying when they do that than when they clump up

[potent echo]

It's alot easier to fight one clump

[rigid iris]

Also feels like the game becomes busywork instead of gameplay

[potent echo]

If enemy are trickling I guess they want you to run instead of fight

Because they did design this game so you are faster than commons

Which is not the case for VT2 or even l4d

[dire kraken]

I just want an endless horde of poxwalkers to smash and burn, for like an hour. Don't stop the flow, just send everyone.

[rigid iris]

Last time it happened it was like a havoc 27 and we were doing the little train reset thing

It made me feel schizophrenic

[potent echo]

Events and slow trickle

[rigid iris]

Because it felt like they were specifically spawning behind me

Look at a wall

Nothing

Turn around

Incoming melee noise

???

But for like 20 min

[potent echo]

Probably one of those spawning doors

I think I know that event you mean

The one with 2 power cells and moving trains out of the way?

[rigid iris]

Assassination

[visual osprey]

Psyker greatsword build centered around peril management for ramping damage bonuses and rapid toughness regen. Sacrifices utilizing the blitz effectively (or at all really) for extremely good staff/greatsword crits. When used correctly this build has helped me solo bosses in <60s on damnation and I would not consider myself to be a super great player. Always try to proc disrupt destiny immediately before or immediately after using Scrier's. Utilizes 2 toughness relics and 1 wound, 2 modified to have toughness regeneration speed and whatever other modifiers you prefer.

I tend to be on very high peril levels when fighting bosses since I block and dodge quite a bit with kinetic deflection. Keep in mind I've been using this build since before they nerfed unstable power into being essentially useless, I just haven't changed it to something else. Use momentum or deflector or something instead.

[rigid iris]

Redirect train to kill a guy

[potent echo]

Oh not the one I was thinking about

[rigid iris]

Inthought unstable got to like 20% str

[potent echo]

I used to run this alot

[rigid iris]

Whats wrong w/ it

[potent echo]

What's wrong with wha

[visual osprey]

it says up to 5% now, either a typo or they nerfed it

either way that's dumb as all hell

[rigid iris]

It stacks oorc

[potent echo]

No

[rigid iris]

*iirc

[potent echo]

It's still 20% lol

[rigid iris]

I remember asking abt this exact thing

[potent echo]

5% per stack and 4 max

They never touched it ever

[visual osprey]

you're sure?

[potent echo]

Yes

[visual osprey]

the tooltip used to be different

[rigid iris]

Fartshark strikes again

[potent echo]

They never changed the mechanic*

The tooltip yea part of a huge overhaul

[visual osprey]

well now the tooltip makes it look weak as hell

this looks like a typo because it's not displaying actual potential

[potent echo]

🚬 : more fatshark lies

[visual osprey]

what's fuckin new

[dire kraken]

makes you wonder how much of a build is just pure bullshit and not actually doing what it says it does

[potent echo]

That's why you/other people test it in the psyk/game

Mostly other people

[visual osprey]

the pox hound silently getting right next to me before pouncing so that I have no time to react:

[potent echo]

So you can leech off their effort

[rigid iris]

Hey!

[dire kraken]

absolutely other people, im a fucking parasite, especially with psyker

[prime elk]

Half the vet builds on gameslantern

[dire kraken]

I'd wager all of them. Every last one. Bullshit. At least the vet rework comes out tomorrow.

[visual osprey]

i literally just run dum dum and deathspitter on an autogun and call it a day

[potent echo]

Ok what

Is that real or a lie

https://tenor.com/view/omw-to-spread-misinformation-all-over-the-internet-gif-26525511

[visual osprey]

I use right tree keystone with none of the modifiers because they're all ass 💯

veteran moment

[rigid iris]

She focus on my target till I

[visual osprey]

I also remember playing with a bolter veteran that used no keystones and was topscoring across the board

[potent echo]

Swap speed node is peak

Why it doesn't exist for weapon spec I'm baffled

[dire kraken]

its absolutely true, they are going to make veteran as powerful and easy to play as arby

[rigid iris]

A lot of vet just feels wrong

[dire kraken]

😢

exe stance is dogwater, voice of command is nice and infiltrate exists

[rigid iris]

They should get a node that lets crits count as weakspot hits

[visual osprey]

my veteran build funny enough is even more powerful than my psyker build dps-wise

even in melee

power sword still just annihilates absolutely everything ever

[rigid iris]

Arbites (unless I am mistaken) is the first to offer "doing this just makes the enemy count as this other thing no matter what"

[potent echo]

https://tenor.com/view/information-on-my-way-to-spread-information-better-call-saul-gif-8392985040212880618

[rigid iris]

As a node

[visual osprey]

power sword in darktide is like an advertisement psyop to show off how cool power swords are because it's just that powerful

[rigid iris]

Also why the fuck is the arb shockmaul so fucking strong

[potent echo]

Power sword is basically how swords act in any movie

Just going through chain and plate

[visual osprey]

because they want everyone to buy the new character so they're releasing it in an unbalanced state

[rigid iris]

The new stuff generally gets more qol than old stuff

Such is the law of fatfish

But eventually we'll get a dogshit new class

And itll be dogshit for like 6 months

[visual osprey]

"don't feed me this slop!!! give me more reskinned cosmetics in the real money shop!!!" - the playerbase according to fatshark after reading any kind of discourse relating to new content

[dire kraken]

i must leech that build for my veteran

[rigid iris]

You have 2 know how to use powersword tho

I don't like cancelling but u gotta

[dire kraken]

man dont make me do things

W+M1

[rigid iris]

Powersword used to be haha special shwing shwing shwing

[visual osprey]

honestly? I hate the arbites class, a lot. It does just about one new thing, and everything else, other classes can do and would probably do way better if the class were properly balanced. I also find it bullshit that they gave a zealot-exclusive weapon to the arbites class. Imagine needing to recycle weapons

[dire kraken]

I remember how busted it was

[rigid iris]

Now you gotta cancel into stab or cancel into lights

[visual osprey]

it still is

I can 1shot a crusher with a powered stab on the power sword

and just about any other enemy that isn't a boss

[rigid iris]

I cant oneshot it but I can 2tap it with the followup

Is that what ur doing

[dire kraken]

what even is the cancel sequence for PS

[rigid iris]

Or are you straight up oneshotting it

[visual osprey]

bosses die in sub 30 seconds because I double krak and point blank weakspot with dumdum and deathspitter on a vraks mk 5 autogun

[rigid iris]

Turn it on and then immediately block

[visual osprey]

facestabs oneshot

[rigid iris]

And then immediately push if ur doing the stab

[visual osprey]

it has to be a powered weakspot stab to the face

[rigid iris]

Tf are you doing to do that

[dire kraken]

so power > block cancel > PA?

[rigid iris]

Basically

[visual osprey]

shout or kill a basic enemy with my ranged

procs my keystone

[rigid iris]

Oh ic

[visual osprey]

otherwise it's stab + light overhead

[rigid iris]

I wish vet had more than basically just shout :^/

[visual osprey]

As someone who loves force greatsword and relic greatsword, as well as knife, I have to say, power sword is the best of all four of the aforementioned weapons. It is the most simplistic to use and has the highest potential damage, and requires the least amount of skill to use effectively.

[rigid iris]

Idk the other ones have more safety

[visual osprey]

if only they'd give vet a fucking long las

[sly lance]

isnt power sword smaller and more comparable to the regular blaze sword?

[rigid iris]

What would be the point of a long las in this game

[visual osprey]

boss damage and special targeting

[dire kraken]

longer bayonet reach

[rigid iris]

I would rather have the hotshot

[dire kraken]

i want a melta, bad

[visual osprey]

if they have las fusils in space marine 2 they should have longlas rifles in darktide

it's literally the same god damn gameplay loop

[rigid iris]

Uh

Idk I don't see tbat comparison at all

I only see las fusil used in like

Pvp

And even then a ton of the snipers end up taking the other sniper or the bolt carbine

[visual osprey]

every single one of my friends that I play space marine with uses either stalker bolter or las fusil in space marine 2

[visual osprey]

the bolt sniper is notoriously inconvenient to use lol but it's still a sniper in a horde game nonetheless

[brazen fable]

I like to imagine it would have mega-cleave so it can punch through a wad of chumps to hit the mauler behind them or whatever

[rigid iris]

The plasma begins to sweat

[sly lance]

would psyker even get it?

[rigid iris]

No

The convo veered to vet

[sly lance]

ah ya i need to play vet

[visual osprey]

no a long-las would be vet only

[visual osprey]

difference between the long-las and the plasma gun would be ammo efficiency/count and fire rate

[sly lance]

as long as the secondary fire isnt a darn flashlight

[visual osprey]

idk I made a pretty powerful crit infantry lasgun build awhile back

still holds up

[sly lance]

ya the recon lasgun with biggest mag is really good

even tho torch

[visual osprey]

I hate recon lasgun

[rigid iris]

Why

[visual osprey]

it's fun to shoot but it does too little damage for me to be comfortable using it

[sly lance]

i tried infantry lasgun even with the autofire mod its brutally slow

the big mag lasgun is high dps

other ones bad

[visual osprey]

if my weapon isn't dealing at least 1/4 of an enemy's total hp pool in a single strike or shot it's not good enough for me

[rigid iris]

The 2nd mark is extremely efficient

The 3rd isn't actually far behind the 1st

The 1st is the current posterboy though

[sly lance]

ya but mk12 is highest dps

[visual osprey]

use the fastest mark and right keystone

[rigid iris]

The difference when I was testing today wasn't actually that much

[visual osprey]

autofire is a godsend and I love it but the fastest mark on its own is not quite fast enough for me, I will agree. Hence why I opt to make a melee-oriented build and use it for reactionary strikes and ranged special targeting and suppression

otherwise infantry lasgun is my favorite lasgun in the game

(I do not think very highly of lasguns in darktide)

[sly lance]

its superior, try it with warp splitting just blast thru crowds

max out peril, swap to recon lasgun

the most fun thing though is to do crit build trials and take the no ammo consumed on crit spec

can just shoot forever if you dont miss

[pale matrix]

is bubble the best way to play psyker on havoc 40?

[ripe obsidian]

Generally, yes.

If you are very good, then Shriek or Gaze also work.

[dull scroll]

venting shriek will work very well when you are good, gaze is just straight up troll 😏

[sturdy reef]

shhhhh

dont let them know about gaze on h40

[uncut sinew]

staff gazers in havoc are based

[sly lance]

does anyone use electric wall

electric bubble is great in trial, but idk if id want to do wall

[uncut sinew]

wall has it benefits, but bubble generally better, depends how well the team handles gunners and specials, wall is mainly to stop muties and poxbursters

[sturdy reef]

wall is good on some auric mael modifiers

I actually havent seen it in h40

[last shore]

so for forceful, if you get hit once, it's a stack lost, not full stack lost, right?

[uncut sinew]

yeas

[vestal trench]

what kind of tech do i have to learn to make trauma staff less painful on havoc lol

dodge sliding?

[plucky flax]

Just blast stuff.

Blaze trauma is strong.

It's been 10 years. FS still haven't buffed blazing spirits to 8 stacks cap.

[ripe obsidian]

Look at your feet and blow stuff up if you're pressured

Then run away

[vestal trench]

i tend to suck at quelling as proactively compared to inferno which doesnt build up as much peril

[potent echo]

You can also get 1-2 tics of quell per sprint slide

[hearty wolf]

If you're not doing anything, you should probably quell. There's a lot of down time in people's gameplay if you take a look or

Lookie

Can also quell while sliding

[vestal trench]

and dodge slide i assume yea

[hearty wolf]

Yeye

[vestal trench]

ig i just gotta get used to it more since i do quell when i can

[velvet sand]

bubble shield is the best in havoc

[vestal trench]

i just dont have a memory for how much my peril my charges generate

[velvet sand]

I'm always glad my psyker teammate brought bubble shield

[hearty wolf]

Time to take crystalline will

[vestal trench]

lmao

[marble crater]

Just play more, you will learn how much peril you will generate

I don't know how much peril point a charged attack gives me, but I know if I can use it without exploding or not

[hearty wolf]

I wonder what the Arbites lines are for psykers that blow up 🤔

[marble crater]

Something something the liability something

[hearty wolf]

I think I triggered that without them going boom

It's something to do with one of the others complaining

[marble crater]

I don't know what they say, because I don't blow up

[strong gulch]

I don't know because I don't pay attetnion

[solid pond]

is warp resist dump on FGS?

I forgor

[strong gulch]

ye

[solid pond]

🤝

[strong gulch]

WR on all force weapons except VS

VS is blast radius

[solid pond]

and what mark is generally preferred

I think I liked the Mk8 but I dunno if thats a skill issue

[strong gulch]

Up to you. Both good

[solid pond]

meat

[strong gulch]

FGS8 has slightly faster and wider lights.

FGS6 has easier access to the big heavy upper stab

If you like combos, FGS6 is for you BUT both can unga bunga.

[ripe obsidian]

Someone said to me, "I really admire your inferno staff usage!!" I cannot honestly tell if this is serious or sarcastic.

[hollow current]

[strong gulch]

mmmm same

might be genuine

[marble crater]

Did you use lmb a lot?

[strong gulch]

If someone said that to me, I'm pretty sure that woould be a slight.

[hearty wolf]

Double exclamation point

That's definitely a slight xd

[strong gulch]

lmao

[hearty wolf]

That's when you bust out smite

[strong gulch]

[hearty wolf]

I bought Last Epoch to occupy me now

However, I will do an occasional tide when I get back

[strong gulch]

🫡

[hearty wolf]

Which will be early today since one of my coworkers did some overtime and she did like

3/4 of my tasks for today

~7h I'll be free

[quartz barn]

12h to go over here

[hearty wolf]

That's too long 😭

[quartz barn]

Engineer life

[hearty wolf]

What type of engineer?

[ripe obsidian]

Thought so. But I am not sure why. I was the last man standing in every match.

[marble crater]

Why? Because they are stupid, of course

[ripe obsidian]

Gotta say, it's not my favorite thing that Ogryns are nigh-invincible and can output as much damage as Purgatus, while I die if something breathes on me.

[strong gulch]

feels bad

@ripe obsidian I was doing havocs with Sin earlier. I switched to a build too close to loading into the lobby and the game hecked up and gave random build. I had obscurus and revolver with bubble and BB.

[ripe obsidian]

I like it.

Bubble Gunslinger.

[strong gulch]

spent half my ammo going like 30 feet

[ripe obsidian]

Ammo is meant to be used!

[strong gulch]

😭

[quartz barn]

Architectural

Currently working on production drawings that detail e installations in wooden frames (like walls, flooring etc)

[ripe obsidian]

There's a naked Zealot in my game named CalvinKlein. Y'know, that's fair.

[strong gulch]

I'll play if you're gonna do a mission.

[ripe obsidian]

Sorry, I did not see your message. D:

[strong gulch]

No worries

[ripe obsidian]

Other than facetanking too many dogs, I was the Arby killing things before the Psyker could. >:)

[strong gulch]

Oh how the table turns.

Me giving up on a target because the dog jumped on it.

[ripe obsidian]

Dog is great

And it seems like dogbleed is ~10% of my total damage

So, not bad imo

[marble crater]

Either it's great dog damage, or bad damage from you

[strong gulch]

😭

[celest valve]

ogryns are giant meat slabs and you are a stick

[marble crater]

[plucky flax]

Tru

[strong gulch]

The game saying you're in fire when the fire id not animated where you are is so annoying.

[marble crater]

Getting slowed by fire before the animation reaches you is also annoying

Like excuse me, I was trying to be cool and run through and dodge it

[strong gulch]

yes

[ripe obsidian]

Oof. Another desperate last stand

Time for sleep on that disappointing end

Captain, Pogryn, Spawn, unlimited elites, all purple, all the time

[strong gulch]

😭

[ripe obsidian]

I came like 0.1 of a second from reviving the zealot

But alas

Pogryn kicked me away

Tried to sprint to the next revive spot, couldn't make it before everything swarmed me

[strong gulch]

[ripe obsidian]

Ah well.

[gray juniper]

Gd what mode was this?

[marble crater]

Uprising

[strong gulch]

35+ havoc

[gray juniper]

Good lord why were you using the electro staff?

[strong gulch]

This was also a "treat". Corrupted from nearly full then a bug didn't let me block.

[strong gulch]

Cuz it's my favorite one. 😭

[wraith sphinx]

yup that's havoc alright

suffering: the game mode

[gray juniper]

It’s mine too. It’s just too inconsistent in high mob density. It never aims where you really want it to

I don’t think it’s even a power issue it’s a programming issue how they made it

[strong gulch]

Yeah it's difficult to hit the one you want in a group. Like hitting the same reaper. If it's taller in a horde it's easier because jump tech but you can't dodge in the air.

Part of it it you don't have to be precise to hit a thing.

[marble crater]

New EK buff, priority to elites and specials

[strong gulch]

IDK about programming issue as much ask it's a con.

[glacial vapor]

I think cleave would help EK in those higher diffs.

5 poxwalkers and rager behind them? No problem

Can't cleave Ogryns or maybe at most one additional

[strong gulch]

You mean the LMB?

[gray juniper]

It gets really annoying trying to squirt multiple bursts to kill the thing in the back because it refuses to reach it and then in a emptier room it does exactly what it supposed to

[strong gulch]

Jumping and aiming higher helps a lot

It's most inconsistent when things are right next to you. Sometimes the RMB will hit a thing behind you.

[gray juniper]

Yea that’s true it’s just not 100% guaranteed. I aim in the air sometimes and get better results

The low spread doesn’t help

[strong gulch]

like why

[gray juniper]

Funny tbh

[strong gulch]

I haven't noticed it as much so maybe it's fixed or I am positioned differently

if I remember I'll have to test

[plucky flax]

Or just git gud and aim better.

Just zap the dog maybe it'll get stunned maybe it won't
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1358074930427728082/1388194793762324601/Desktop_2025.06.27_-_17.30.08.12.mp4?ex=6871e4e6&is=68709366&hm=9be9acf3dbf818bf5cfc47a3a1af801258a43681d22d12301f4147a3d83de9cc&

[gray juniper]

Bug staff

[strong gulch]

I've lost too many clutches because of this.

I won't learner a lesson tho. So I'll lose more.

[quartz barn]

Shouldve used the special to just bonk the dog

[marble crater]

You are asking too much

[hearty wolf]

Ah that's pretty sick. I knew a girl who used to do the same thing but specifically for gothic types of architecture

[gray juniper]

Yes. I’m skill plateaued myself

[plucky flax]

Tru

[hearty wolf]

Holy fuck

Mutant slams actually damage you

LOL

I'd take like 3 damage from that

[marble crater]

Arby is OP please nerf

[strong gulch]

Is death

[hearty wolf]

I'm mildly interesting in either player today or quitting

I'm in a good mood though

For now

Sometimes I just wanna go fast >;(

[wanton fossil]

Smite psyker, question (Again):
Is empowerd smite worth it?

[hearty wolf]

Like that running up the stairs thing while it was on fire with two bosses on it was a total blunder.

But I still wanted it to work 😭

[strong gulch]

I take EK and we go fast. heck it

[hearty wolf]

Fast is hard :(

No one is allowed to get disabled or they're just ded

[marble crater]

EP Smite with shriek can deal a decent amount of damage

[strong gulch]

yes 😭

If you're investing in smite then yes EP

[hearty wolf]

My decision making should be a little better today though

[quartz barn]

Every flamer as soon as you get netted

[marble crater]

But... don't invest in smite

[strong gulch]

My sleep is sus. So mine with either be sus or cracked. idk

[wanton fossil]

You mean take smite but don't take any Upgrades?

[strong gulch]

When a mutant runs them over.

Thanks bud 🙏

[quartz barn]

But net

[strong gulch]

ye

but not fire

until the flamer stand up

then fire

in net

😭

[quartz barn]

This is one of the few skill expressions psyker has when it comes to defence

If youre fast enough you can bubble whoever got grabbed to block fire + grenades

[marble crater]

You can take upgrades and invest into smite, but you don't have to, to make smite great. Smite can be great if you just use it for a few seconds to stun a crusher pack, or throw a horde to the ground

Standing there for half a minute and smiting is also strong, but people don't like it

[wanton fossil]

Damn i totally forgot the throw

[wanton fossil]

What's not to be liked about a Controller croud

[gray juniper]

No he definitely means don’t use smite lol

[strong gulch]

You can control the direction of smite's push / throw.

[quartz barn]

Depending on the difficulty this isnt always beneficial

[hearty wolf]

Is ok. I just need to not die

[quartz barn]

But it has more to do with the average smite user being bad rather than smite being bad

[marble crater]

For example, let's say there is a door way all the enemies are coming through, that's great because you can just stand there and kill them all. Now if you start smiting them it means the enemies won't come through the chokepoint and instead are stuck outside and spread out, now your team has to run out to kill them and risk getting shot at

[gray juniper]

Does smite throw back even work if the enemies are red?

[strong gulch]

Same tho, but yeah because you carry

[strong gulch]

no

[marble crater]

This guy

[gray juniper]

Fuck that then tbqh

That’s me sir 👨‍💼

[strong gulch]

That's why everyone cries about red.

[marble crater]

I think vet shout works against red?

[strong gulch]

Red purple and gas is such horrible combo

[gray juniper]

Does chorus work against red?

[strong gulch]

I don't remember tbh

[gray juniper]

Maybe a newb thing but gas is a far worse deal for me than any other modifier

[strong gulch]

If you can stagger then right before red and get the kill then it's fine. If you turn 50 things red tho and have multiple bosses...

[glacial vapor]

Ogryns and Arbites ignoring gas...

[strong gulch]

Gas is so ass. I struggle to see where it ends and it eats psykers up.

[gray juniper]

Just casually passing tox bomber five meters away, not even looking at him

[tulip kettle]

no

and enemies that turn red

who are healed

dont lose red

so when you have 50 crushers

anddont focus the pink ones

[gray juniper]

Tbh it sounds like the best strategy is most of the group single targets a few enemies at a time when it’s red/red-purple

[tulip kettle]

you end up with 50 red full hp crushers

[gray juniper]

Nightmare fuel

[tulip kettle]

i had red pink with a terrible gen the past few days and it took so many tries

sin rage quit

managed to do it and then win 2 more directly after

[strong gulch]

Yes but chaos happens. Psyker's best bet is inferno tho.

[tulip kettle]

turns out

[gray juniper]

Yea that makes sense because damage tic

[tulip kettle]

"going fast" is just not the answer in havoc

[gray juniper]

That seems like the majority of the player base strategy tho

[tulip kettle]

it doesnt work in havoc

and i have specific evidence as to why now

[gray juniper]

Spread the fuckin gospel my man

[tulip kettle]

the director is literally different

you arent allowed to move forward further than 20m

you arent allowed to go backwards more than 1 section

[gray juniper]

I can’t speak for all havocs but I know for a fact we cleared 18-23 by moving methodically and clearing what around us

[tulip kettle]

you must do it that way

[hearty wolf]

No

Definitely does not xd

[marble crater]

Teamplay in my coop game?

[gray juniper]

Some people think the horde never ends and it shows by their running away. BUT it does

[tulip kettle]

the director is specifically set up to punish these things

[hearty wolf]

The problem with team play

Is

[tulip kettle]

there is a special type of horde in havoc

[hearty wolf]

It's boring as fuck in the way it's implementation

It's SO boring

[tulip kettle]

it only triggers

yes dude

you get bored in havoc

we know

[hearty wolf]

It's not like you do two-two splits

[gray juniper]

Sorry I thought this was a hero simulator

[tulip kettle]

like i said its just a pure grind

the skill expression

is in discipline and patience

teamwork

[plucky flax]

Unsanctioned teamwork.

[tulip kettle]

but anyway

[hearty wolf]

I don't think it's teamwork, you just end up being with the team because no one is moving from the funnel

It's more of a coincidence

[tulip kettle]

there is a special horde type in havoc that only spawns

if you move 20m ahead of your team

[gray juniper]

That’s a very small distance

[tulip kettle]

its further than you think but yes not far

[hearty wolf]

Maybe the play is to play with bots or solo

That way you don't trigger it 🤔

[gray juniper]

Ok so now I’m understanding why some runs are unreasonably difficult at the same level

[tulip kettle]

its because people arent stayting in formation and moving properly

and not going backwards to funnel when stuff spawns

[gray juniper]

No that’s really small. That’s crossing one room in some areas

[tulip kettle]

its just super formulaic

[tulip kettle]

yeah about one room

the specific setting is

[gray juniper]

Someone pointed out the tag displaying distance. It’s real world accurate to sight for the most part

[tulip kettle]

if you go 20m further than anyone else on your team has been

it spawns a new horde type called roadblock

im sure you can guess what happens

[gray juniper]

This brings me back to being mad at the arby guy who said I could play in level 18 but he was always a full two rooms ahead

[hearty wolf]

The roadblock is pretty broken tho I think

[gray juniper]

Then I end up dying mid level and the ogyrn starts getting hammered by snipers because he sure the fuck wasn’t handling it

[hearty wolf]

It's been quite rare for it to trigger recently compared to before

[tulip kettle]

i think the game has a grace period

[hearty wolf]

But maybe it's just because it's been tied to proximity of other players

Or that

[tulip kettle]

for breaking coherency and leaving zones

the other thing that i see ending runs

is when you dont have a frontline

[gray juniper]

Breaking coherency punishments?! 💀

[tulip kettle]

if everyone is always trying to run away and not be the guy tanking

yes

you are punished for breaking coherency

even in normals

its just worse in havoc

[hearty wolf]

I will take this information and throw it out of the window

[tulip kettle]

im sure lol

[hearty wolf]

I will make havoc play the way I want it to play

It will be done

[tulip kettle]

but i also expect to see your havoc 40 solo vid in the coming days

[gray juniper]

The anti-Buddha

[tulip kettle]

i watched a guy do it on arb

it was insane

[hearty wolf]

I could just shroudfield or shock mine spam

But that's already pretty zz

They should make all enemies red

From spawn

[tulip kettle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHTNnkCAagU&t=1433s

[hearty wolf]

At 100% hp

[tulip kettle]

and just to elaborate a bit

break coherency, get specialled

also in havoc 40

its 1 special upgraded to monster

every 120 seconds

until there are 2

then you get a 5 min grace period

[upper sun]

🚬 not so fun now huh heretics when the dog pushes 900 enemies to jump to one

[gray juniper]

I don’t get the whole speed running thing. So basically you’re going to be forced to slow down or the vanguard guy commits to absolute soloing lol

[tulip kettle]

it works in non havoc

you can just run past everything

you can do it in havoc if everyone is moving at pace together

[gray juniper]

Also love it how I’ll try to pull simple maneuvers like ducking from gun fire also, but I get hit from behind boxes and walls

[tulip kettle]

but you cant have differences

[plucky flax]

Thats with solo mod that's not real havoc btw

[tulip kettle]

what do you mean?

like yes its solo so he can autosolve the auspexes and stuff

but the settings are in desc

[gray juniper]

What’s impressive is he’s actually doing it. Not running from my problems simulator

[tulip kettle]

and its post dog bleed patch

dont get me wrong

i think doing it with 2 players and saying its 1

is cheese

[plucky flax]

But it's not a live server so spawns could be different etc.

[tulip kettle]

oh i see

well yeah

[gray juniper]

Valid

[plucky flax]

It would be very cool if he just host a game with his mate and the other guy afk

[tulip kettle]

i mean the guy also exhausts the hordes before the vid starts

[plucky flax]

Then yeah that's proper

[tulip kettle]

you cant in havoc though

the hordes and specials will literally kill the guys on spawn after 90 seconds or so

and if they are in the game but downed the director lowers the intensity

[gray juniper]

I still believe this is an inferior strategy if you’re using different classes for one game

At least in the lobbies I’ve played

[tulip kettle]

its fine if you are all on the same wavelength and similar skill levels

[gray juniper]

Because the weaknesses become apparent when a kink shows up

[gray juniper]

For specific classes it’s down to specific build

[tulip kettle]

meh not so much

in auric you can run pretty much everything

[gray juniper]

If it’s not spoken before it leaves people behind

[tulip kettle]

but yes it should be a team decision

[gray juniper]

Yea but for havoc ofc

[tulip kettle]

you just cant in havoc on higher difficulties

unless you all specifically know thats what youre doing and all stick close together

[hearty wolf]

Can everyone get better

But stay uncoordinated

🤔

[tulip kettle]

the thing is

its easy to say get better

when playing a class that doesnt die for one mistake

[strong gulch]

WAIT. What if I die at the beginning. YOu could solo havoc and it would be a real mission.

[potent echo]

Get better but my stack always has one psyker with elites CDR

[hearty wolf]

I can literally replicate my gameplay on any other class.

[potent echo]

It's a totally different game aometimes

[hearty wolf]

But they're also not as much fun imo

Zealot is holding F

Inferno staff is holding m1

[tulip kettle]

yup until the enmies red

and then what

[hearty wolf]

Thammer delete

[tulip kettle]

ah

ofc

[potent echo]

Thammer in havoc 40

Is it even possible

[hearty wolf]

Very easily yes lol

[summer prairie]

I see zealots solo clutching with a thammer all the time

[potent echo]

That's ceazy

[hearty wolf]

Thammer is insanely strong

[summer prairie]

maybe not all the time

[strong gulch]

common tho

[potent echo]

What is The BuildTM for havocs

Middle keystone?

[plucky flax]

Its impossible

[tulip kettle]

do you mean on zel or psyker

[potent echo]

Zealot

I guess it is for psyker as well

[tulip kettle]

generally on zel you see TDR beacon and piety or martyrdom

[hearty wolf]

I don't play Vet because I don't even understand what the class is supposed to do

Also stamina regen

Ex fucking dee

[tulip kettle]

vet spams shout on a 12 sec cd

[hearty wolf]

Turn based game

[tulip kettle]

and uses it every time they hear a poxburster

or a toxbomber

or a flamer

if i had to choose i personally prefer having a vet over a zealot

[potent echo]

They use it every time.

[tulip kettle]

zel lets you book monsters off the edge though

[summer prairie]

plenty of vets who only remember to use it when they personally need it

err

[hearty wolf]

Xd

[summer prairie]

if the vet doesn't immediately shout when the game starts, I'm already upset

[hearty wolf]

I just think the classes don't really show much skill expression is all. I'm happy to be correct on that tho

[gray juniper]

The game favors the speedy head player initially because they’ll remain ahead and have less on them until everyone dies off

[hearty wolf]

But it's what marks Arby so fun to me

I can just beat the shit out of things

And it feels less slow than Zealot

I also can min max dog

[tulip kettle]

yeah exactly you are just able to do things that other classes cant

example, crusher blob

[hearty wolf]

😭

[tulip kettle]

on arb you just go ham

[summer prairie]

tbh fgs psyker too, just don't get hit

[tulip kettle]

if im running a MK6 FGS and theres 10 of them

i have to methodically beat them down one by one

and be very careful

[potent echo]

You just don't have hammerblow

[tulip kettle]

arb just goes bonk hehe they fall down

[potent echo]

Tbh you could just take deimos

And it's same

[tulip kettle]

yes

knocking one down

is the same as knocking all 10

and then

they are on the floor

taking +75% base dmg

and arb just goes

bonk bonk bonk

and they are all dead

[dull scroll]

booking bosses of ledge is now a mystical art

[potent echo]

Very vook

[dull scroll]

entire lobby gets slack jawed when they see it done

like you just showed a bunch of cave men fire

[hearty wolf]

It's cheating

Like using doors

YOU didn't defeat the monstrosity

Gravity did

Gravity 1, you 0

[gray juniper]

When those crusher swings are coming down at different times I see angels

[tulip kettle]

i watched a mauler who was pinged fall off the map because of my trauma

he teleported back onto the map infront of me mid swing

i needed to go change my pants

[summer prairie]

dog remote detonating bosses, you let a CS grab you next to a ledge and then the dog pounces back and detonates

[hearty wolf]

Go with the boss

Die in the abyss

[summer prairie]

even better

[hearty wolf]

They should make havoc 50 no rescues

Then havoc 60 no downs

[summer prairie]

no heals could b ea thing

[gray juniper]

Errmmm… if I’m ever caught having to solo as a psyker and two captains are on the map at the same time, better believe I’m using a door. My fingers aren’t made for that madness

[summer prairie]

oh you can't remote detonate when grabbed, sad

[tulip kettle]

good luck dooring captains when solo

not impossible but so so hard

[potent echo]

Localhost detonate

[hearty wolf]

You only need 1 button

Block

You have kf

Kd

Get to the rescue point then gg

[gray juniper]

They should make havoc 70 it deletes your character on death

[gray juniper]

Brother, that’s a long time for dodging and blocking

[deft stump]

Only works in mortis. Is how I solo'd 3 CSpawns once.

Dog auto booms.

[gray juniper]

Yea movement becomes a feat but idk facing them head on is something else too

[deft stump]

Get grabbed, auto boom.

[strong gulch]

I can't solo a boss with a ton of stuff. So I go find Sin. Even if Sin is dead. I will go get Sin.

[gray juniper]

Anyone else notice the chaos spawn grabbing you more often does this spin and throw instead of biting and corruption you now?

[deft stump]

Dog counts if you take a certain thing maybe?

[strong gulch]

IDK what's with the spin.

Makes me sick

[gray juniper]

No this is on psyker

[deft stump]

When it slams you.

[potent echo]

This is happening alot after arbi update

[deft stump]

It should trigger on player near, but it feels like doggos can trigger it at times.

[summer prairie]

dog counts yeah

[strong gulch]

but why spin

[deft stump]

Allied dogs as well, but may need the left aura.

[summer prairie]

it tries to swing at the dog and then the dog attacks it and it can't target it properly

because the dog is swinging with it

[gray juniper]

Arby in party is slick spawn cheat

[summer prairie]

another op dog feature

https://streamable.com/s43nm3

[deft stump]

And why reject lone wulf. Puppo gud fren.

[summer prairie]

just let it grab you to get away if you have a dog

[gray juniper]

You don’t even need points into the dog!

[potent echo]

Or they can just hotfix an exception for dog targeting

[deft stump]

I SAID, PUPPO GUD FREN.

[potent echo]

Unless it's an intended balance decision

[gray juniper]

I’m arguing the same thing

Folks think it’s either lone wolf or hella points into the dog

That what arby chat is on

[deft stump]

Point in gud fren means gud fren helps you better.

[gray juniper]

Or we can’t just not tell fatshark

https://tenor.com/view/creeper-rodeanos-essegh-gif-11838888

[deft stump]

If gud fren better, gud fren carries.

[strong gulch]

Didn't have to do for long, but KD for life.
https://youtu.be/BM_TYgNrkQY?si=x35cTpnpzYgBrhlt

[marble crater]

https://tenor.com/view/calm-down-a-bit-calm-down-relax-gif-3234894596200294187

[summer prairie]

if you have a dog, you can probably kill a CS just blocking, can even go afk with chatblock, assuming no other enemies of course

works fine vs h40 CS in psykhanium

[deft stump]

I mean, you can do 3 on colossus with auto dog bomb.

[summer prairie]

well sure

[deft stump]

You just have no damage being thrown around.

[hearty wolf]

I literally have stopped killing bosses myself

I set dog

Apply puncture

Then go kill specials

Unless there is nothing to do, then I'll bonk boss

[gray juniper]

That reminds me. I LOVE LOVE LOVE being resurrected in a sea of fire or pox gas. Like am I being intentionally trolled? Dawg you know I’m about to take 4/5 of my health bar just jumping out of this. Why not wait a few more moments?

[potent echo]

Panik

[deft stump]

If the bleedout timer is less than 10%.

[gray juniper]

Arby lifting you up from rescue point .5 seconds after a barrel and grenade blew up under you

[deft stump]

Better try than you just bleedout if anything happens.

Oh, rescue, different then.

[gray juniper]

Yea you can’t even work up sprint momentum. It’s all Minecraft Steve hopping out or something

[deft stump]

I mean, is the only situation picking up someone in fire. Bleedout too close to going poof.

[strong gulch]

Sry, it was me.

[gray juniper]

If it’s bleed out I’m just happy I got picked up

[gray juniper]

Uninstall the barrel aimbot fam

Who’s sefonisbathwater again? Always a sensible chuckle

[strong gulch]

Never use VB again.

Especially while inferno modifier is going on.

[marble crater]

Yesterday I rescued clad by pulling him up repeatedly, stopping at 50% and starting again

[deft stump]

I only recognise Beans and Sin though.

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/english-teabagging-teabagging-teabag-english-insult-gif-18347137

[tulip kettle]

beans out here with the million aliases

[gray juniper]

Nah this is definitely the go to build when push Arby is in the chat

Especially if they have the spearhead in that game

[tulip kettle]

ooo rituals and rampaging on refinery

[marble crater]

I don't use VB with arby in the team, just a waste

[tulip kettle]

a nice amuse bouche

[uncut sinew]

what about whole team with cc, enemies can't kill you if they're knocked over at all times

tripping on pebbles it seems, clumsy heretics

[tulip kettle]

its all fun and games until the toll turns up

[uncut sinew]

[strong gulch]

@vestal trench is BathWater

[uncut sinew]

it takes a toll on a man

[tulip kettle]

lol it does indeed

[uncut sinew]

even on the bravest of ogryns

[tulip kettle]

so guys talk to me about using vraks (columnus) over MK12 accatran on bubble knight

thoughts?

[gray juniper]

This is mainly about pubs and counter trolling

[plucky flax]

Inaccurate hips fire and ammo inefficient

[uncut sinew]

based

[plucky flax]

You also can't keep dd stacks against monster with infernus trick.

[strong gulch]

I'd only take if I was gonna use it mostly for monsters. That's it.

[tulip kettle]

im sold i keep mk12

[gray juniper]

How does this work in the first place?

[uncut sinew]

use brauto guns

best weapon in game

[plucky flax]

Shoot monster for burn stack. Each burn tick refresh dd cd

They changed dd a couple months ago to keep stacks easier.

Now with arby op eo marks. They need to make dd marks appear on more enemies too.

[gray juniper]

Ty I didn’t know I was actually getting anything out of attacking the boss

[marble crater]

Sounds redundant

[strong gulch]

If you just want a different gun, there's laspistol.

[uncut sinew]

sounds fun, borderline easy even

[strong gulch]

x4 psyker smite is funny in havocs

I've seen it

[upper sun]

🚬 we've wiped in it too

[uncut sinew]

final toll has entered the chat

[tulip kettle]

i also notice you take cruel fortune

can you explain your thoughts on that one?

[marble crater]

Playing with more than 1 arby is already easy

[tulip kettle]

seems to me like with lingering youre likely to be at 14 or 15 stacks most of the time

[uncut sinew]

this is true, if the arbi knows how to arbi all over the place

[plucky flax]

What's cruel fortune? I started taking the 25 stacks now

[tulip kettle]

the one that gives 3 on weakspot kills

with 25 stakcs makes more sense

[plucky flax]

Oh just qol cos sometimes there's just no marks at all

Either because the marked one is behind, or it's just chaffs

[tulip kettle]

fair enough, i changed it for 5% ranged damage node for similar perm uptime reasons

[plucky flax]

Making marks behaviour similar to arby would be huge.

[tulip kettle]

lol i agree

[plucky flax]

Stay permanent and just a bunch of them

[tulip kettle]

it just feels so much better to play

[plucky flax]

[tulip kettle]

i lit said this like a year ago lol

[strong gulch]

Ye just QoL.

[tulip kettle]

once they are marked they shoul;d not lose the mark

and it should mark a new enemy every 2 seconds

[strong gulch]

I hope DD gets more targets.

Not asking for the whole room.

Even 2 targets would be so much better.

[gray juniper]

I’ll straight up cannibalize the dog kills if the guy was blue

[tulip kettle]

i do this anyway

[gray juniper]

Same

[tulip kettle]

i go out of my way to steal pounced kills

[gray juniper]

If it’s an elite, it gets the delete

These stacks won’t make themselves

[tulip kettle]

im losing PC value to your dog

not happenng

[gray juniper]

For team play and viability this is why I switched to ranged node anyway

It handles more of what you actually need it to also

[round summit]

is telekine shield good?

[gray juniper]

Yes

[upper sun]

😡 my dog is hongry and needs to eat

[deft stump]

Go eat gunners.

[upper sun]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1392808805493903483/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2025.07.09_-_18.48.59.02-00.03.04.195-00.03.36.107.mp4?ex=68723348&is=6870e1c8&hm=6c308de0e11e63fa76aa0b1506db7e09a39f9cc2ffbc169cbf97de5fda13b3a6&
😠 everything DEAD already

[deft stump]

Move faster then.

[loud girder]

what is the theta guy running lmao

[upper sun]

blazing trauma the agent special

i forgot his @ here

[lyric burrow]

Blaze trauma and shriek id imagine

[tulip kettle]

its me

i am trauma guy

[upper sun]

you owe me 2 bags of dog kibble 😡

[tulip kettle]

fair enough dood you name the flavour

[upper sun]

holy shit that was a flashbang

[jovial juniper]

Get Jinxed lol

[upper sun]

too much league just came back

https://tenor.com/view/rigby-cat-stare-goofy-face-no-pee-pugakuorg-gif-16083210515411125700

[loud girder]

CHICKS WITH MINIGUNS

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/akira-leave-me-alone-leave-me-alone-meme-gif-6420351794930725971

[tulip kettle]

https://imgflip.com/i/9zz9zp

[upper sun]

foods getting pricey

[deft stump]

Why feed gud fren junk?

[upper sun]

its for me

[tulip kettle]

this is the cyberpunk future we asked for

dogs fed on grass fed aged steaks meanwhile i eat literal human kibble

[upper sun]

peak id save so much time cooking

[deft stump]

Oh.

[jovial juniper]

Also every time I see an arbitrator fighting crushers they just take forever

[deft stump]

@plucky flax Hi.

[jovial juniper]

Mid af class

[plucky flax]

Sup?

[lyric burrow]

Really? They have p good carapace damage all around

[upper sun]

the maul just has bad carapace adm

[deft stump]

Just eat instant noodle snacks.

[upper sun]

same for the grenades

[jovial juniper]

Yes

[deft stump]

I saw, so said hi. Heh.

[jovial juniper]

That same maul can 2-3 shot a crusher

I've seen it

[upper sun]

🤔

[jovial juniper]

And somehow you still struggle to deal with crushers

Mid class

[upper sun]

prolly starting from zero

first strike does bigger damage

[lyric burrow]

Ye the maul can do very good cara damage although its largely due to the insane damage in Arbites tree

[tulip kettle]

and then you take the +15% dmg against full hp enemies

and the rending

and +cara

and you one bonk crushers outside of havoc

yes so mid

[upper sun]

ye that one is really slept on

[lyric burrow]

You would have to actively try to make arbites mid

[upper sun]

i thought rending against staggered enemies was bugged?

[tulip kettle]

idk

you are stacking so much damage buffs i dont think it matter

[upper sun]

@autumn smelt COLE hi does the rending on staggered enemies talet on arby work?

[lyric burrow]

Iirc they fixed it

But havent tested it myself

[upper sun]

🚬 like they fixed auric

[jovial juniper]

[lyric burrow]

Simply play havoc instead

[jovial juniper]

Clad

[upper sun]

hi

[jovial juniper]

Are you trying to actively make Arbites mid?

[upper sun]

yes

[jovial juniper]

Took you 5 business days to deal with that

[upper sun]

😠

[jovial juniper]

And the psyker had to clean your mess

[upper sun]

😭

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/goat-washed-my-goat-washed-lightning-mcqueen-mcqueen-gif-13084113942314445304

[lyric burrow]

Ok i wouldn't say blaze trauma psyker is a bad thing to get out DPSed by

[upper sun]

yeah esp in scab melee

[lyric burrow]

Shits been like a top 3 build since the dinosaurs went extinct

[upper sun]

i got my A.S.S. by playing trauma in scab and bubble into ranged

[lyric burrow]

I havent played scab melee in ages

Man

[jovial juniper]

Real

It's only available while I'm at work

[lyric burrow]

Ive just been on the havoc grind and before that i wasn't playing much

[upper sun]

🚬 i have like 2.5k hours and i think i legit played 10 max scab melees

[lyric burrow]

I played the shit out of it back in the day

When it was the new hardest thing

Although some loadouts just turned it into a joke

[barren dome]

does kinetic flayer proc on sleeping daemonhosts? I guess when perilious combustion / wildfire is also present

[loud girder]

would be too broken if arbi could curbstomp crushers as fast as fgs or relic blade/ds4

u already put a whole crusher pack on their ass with ease

and can 3 shot each one of them anyway

[lyric burrow]

Arbi with a melee build isnt too far off from that tbf

Wouldnt compete with ds4 but it is ds4

[loud girder]

u dont get the super fast clear times with the maul or crusher

but u get SAFTEY

on a forceful build i 2-3 shot them while also putting a whole pack on their asses every 12 seconds

[lyric burrow]

Ye arbites is rather strong

Probably the strongest class outside of some outlier builds

Unless your speedrunning or something

[loud girder]

that would be ogryn

simply because ogryn melee is absurd

[lyric burrow]

I havent actually played with much ogryn since the buff but ik the pickaxes in particular and one of the knives is just free damage

Like 1 million damage lol

[loud girder]

branx pickaxe 1 shots crushers

[jovial juniper]

[loud girder]

they handle mixed hordes like fodder

[strong gulch]

KF doesn't proc on non aggro DH. SB stacks can apply to it tho. If someone wakes it up, the DH can aggro the psyker instead of who actually woke it up.

[jovial juniper]

I'm safer if they are dead

[loud girder]

give me evis on arbi i dont care about lore

i will supress and oppress by shredding them to pieces

[jovial juniper]

Now we are talking

[plucky flax]

Police brutality

[loud girder]

police shredtality

[hearty wolf]

Honestly they should

Rebalance the social

Special

Why does it chunk at the end

By the time you're sawing, someone else has already killed it

[loud girder]

what they should do is make it always on like chain axe

[hearty wolf]

Yes

And apply rending and bleed on every hit

And fire

Not soulblaze but actual flames

From how hot it is

Vroom VROOM

[loud girder]

sounds op but ill take it

[jovial juniper]

Arbitrator should have chain axes

It would help with their whole job

Hiding behind a door? Vroom vroom

Here comes the axe

[loud girder]

honestly yeah might as well

they already have tac and rashad

might as well add the third one

if anything a chain axe fits them better thematically

[jovial juniper]

They gave tactical axe to Arbites 😭

[loud girder]

if their weapons are meant to make people shit their pants a chainaxe fits better than a tac axe

[hearty wolf]

Idk why that made me laugh

It's got me in stitches

[gray juniper]

If you’re going bubble & blast what’s the best strategy for having to handle the daemonhost?

[hearty wolf]

Insert Leon running into the house with chainsaw behind.mp4

[jovial juniper]

Tactical Axe is also crit/finesse reliant
And they gave it to Arbites 💀

[gray juniper]

Say the team is already bogged down and you need to put damage in yourself

[loud girder]

it works pretty well tbf

[hearty wolf]

Aggro it and then hold right click

[loud girder]

but arbite can make any melee work

[hearty wolf]

Wait for the team to kill it

[jovial juniper]

But comparatively worse

It's like

[lyric burrow]

Into an actual host or the ritual on havoc

[jovial juniper]

Brauto to Infantry Autogun

[loud girder]

they have 1 billion 15%+ dmg nodes for breathing in melee

i mean tbf arbites have bunch of crit chance nodes

if you go EO

[gray juniper]

Either

[lyric burrow]

Force greatsword or deimos

Obscurus is fine too

[gray juniper]

FGS

[lyric burrow]

Ds4 too as always

Those all do usable unyielding damage and will kill ritualists fine

[jovial juniper]

Dclaw

Dclaw psyker is actually safe af for dh

[lyric burrow]

Yeah dclaw works just bring anti cara/BON

[gray juniper]

And what’s the run speed like with the claw compared to dueling speed?

[lyric burrow]

Lower

Its not an immobile weapon

But its not DS speed

Closer to one handed fs minus the cracked dodges

[tulip kettle]

the thing is

with dclaw i tend to run stamina curio

so everything is just so forgiving anyway

like yeah your speed is slightly lower but you can just straight up leg it from stuff

then turn around and still parry for a million years

[hearty wolf]

@tulip kettle Do you still have a dog shit havoc

Ideally red purple

[gray juniper]

Wew never for me

[upper sun]

🚬 i still think the cultists have too much HP

[celest quail]

Question for the 20+ havoc spark'eads: What curio loadout do you run? Im currently running 3 max health curios (2 with stam regen, 1 with block efficiency, and all with CDR and corruption resistance). I have run triple toughness curios before as well with CDR, toughness, etc. as well as 2x toughness and a +stam curio. What gives you guys the best results? I am currently like the max health setup but am looking for input

[analog agate]

Entirely personal preference on main stat outside of no wounds. CDR/gunner resist a lot run on sub stats

[tulip kettle]

no

passed it last night and won 2 n a row straight after lol

rituals and rampage on refinery rn

[tulip kettle]

i like 3 toughness

i think toughness is easy to get, and if youre getting hit straight onto hp with broken tough you are going down anyway

i take hp toughness and cdr as the 3 perks

but i have been experimenting with 1 corr resist instead and i think its a pretty good value point

i think you only run stam if you arent running KD

or if youre running dclaw

but i wouldnt likely run dclaw in havoc

[celest quail]

That is actually a fair assessment. I feel like health gives a little more breathing room/forgiveness, but it is much easier to restore toughness

I run deimos usually for the shielding to offer stronger repositioning and the ability to recover downed team mates from time to time without taking as much dmg

I just keep seeing conflicting opinion on the benefits of health vs toughness curios

[marsh badger]

i run hp +corruption res for blight spreads

[celest quail]

Corruption res definitely makes me feel more resilient after havoc 15 where almost every mission has had gas chipping my health pool, i probably will leave those perks tbh, cooldown is staying also. The other 3 perks im open to changing but block efficiency and some stam regen also feel nice for movement and shielding ability.

[gray juniper]

That’s actually pretty smart