psyker-class

[rigid sky]

It's a sick feeling of power lol

[pine oyster]

Is it worth having KR on for BB when I have EP?

[hearty wolf]

Holy shit that game was ass

This guy is on the floor the entire game

as soon as I pick up him

[pine oyster]

Down again?

[hearty wolf]

He uses m1 inferno like 6 times

to push a pox burster into me

to kill me

[tepid wing]

just like an arbites

[marble crater]

Not me

[tepid wing]

https://tenor.com/view/powerpuff-girls-evil-imagine-evilest-mostevil-gif-4188902

[hearty wolf]

ah yes arbites with inferno staff

[pine oyster]

WERE YOU ON UPRISING?

[hearty wolf]

I HATE when they do that

[rigid sky]

It's pretty fun as a combo tbh

[hearty wolf]

?

[tepid wing]

listen those dogs love to stagger bursters into your range for someone to pop

[rigid sky]

Makes your brain rupture feel like a revolver

[hearty wolf]

At least that isn't intentional

[pine oyster]

Doesn't stack / work well for bubble shield.

[rigid sky]

See, that's my exact combo lmao

With voidblast

[marble crater]

I tried really hard not to do that yesterday meanwhile the dogs...

[tepid wing]

it's true, they're all good dogs...

[rigid sky]

I can bunker down and kill an arbitrary amount of gunners, snipers and shotgunners without taking cover

[tepid wing]

[hearty wolf]

I was gonna say the havoc people don't seem so bad in my experience, they're all carryable

but this guy was an absolute demon xd

[tepid wing]

speaking of i feel like a heretic standing around and whispering "what happened to sedition"?

[rigid sky]

Sedition was like, let your 5 year old cousin have a turn on the graphically violent fascism simulator lmao

[pine oyster]

Would work better for VS because you can just use it whenever you want and not waste a valuable tool that the team's going to depend on you for.

[tepid wing]

as is the custom

[marble crater]

Sedition was a better name than uprising, should have kept that, they killed our sedation meme

[tepid wing]

as is the custom

[rigid sky]

I mean if I popped a bubble it's because we needed a bubble lmao

[pine oyster]

Sedition is Christmas noob territory.

[tepid wing]

https://tenor.com/view/cuddle-planes-trains-and-automobiles-gif-4240838685833506523

[rigid sky]

So how about that game huh

[tepid wing]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-sure-whatever-you-say-gif-20744799

[pine oyster]

Exactly, not really good for combing EP BB with.

[rigid sky]

If I'm popping a bubble, honestly I find that it's often a situation where rapid fire brain rupture would be useful too

[tepid wing]

i'm not sure of too many situations where popping rapid BR isn't useful

[pine oyster]

I find that hordes get in the way when that happens.

[rigid sky]

Idk, it works surprisingly well for me

[rigid sky]

I am a tallboy lol

It's really easy to pick out gunners when you are max height

[rigid sky]

The bigger point is, is EP ever worth it for the opportunity cost

I find that it helps specifically on my voidblast shield build

Any other build, I cannot justify it

And I want to like EP

Fun design space

[marble crater]

I want to be the smallest height for psyker, if only I didn't have to look up for melee weakspot hits

[pine oyster]

I'm a short psyker named after a DC imp. I'm used to compensating for heretic Killin'.

[rigid sky]

Yeah, I think for shorties it's hard to use Brain Rupture effectively

Jumping can help lol

[pine oyster]

Throws off my aim.

[tepid wing]

i remember trying to use BR in the beta

[rigid sky]

Kragneto is mine, which suits a tall lad pretty well I think lol

[tepid wing]

i kind of wonder what it would be like to go back and use it, there's definitely a learning curve

[rigid sky]

EP makes it feel a lot better

Kills dogs, ragers and gunners in 1

But EP means EP

Hefty opportunity cost

For something that only affects your tertiary weapon

[pine oyster]

MrMyxyzptlk is mine.

[tepid wing]

true but the beta was way easier

imagine dealing with like 1 dog every hour

[patent steeple]

my psyker name is HeadEmptyOnlyWarp, because I think its funny.

my ogryn (the only one with an actual name that isn't a meme) is called Greasus Goldtooth, named after the king of ogres from WH fantasy

[tepid wing]

you'd better not be rubbing gravy on your gut

or i'll disconnect the farsqueaker forever

[pine oyster]

That goes beyond the character limit.

[pine oyster]

I'll summon the elector counts for that!

[tepid wing]

https://tenor.com/view/green-explosion-skaven-gif-9272053709133071409

[patent steeple]

which name? (my ogryn's name doesn't actually have a space in it, btw)

[rigid sky]

On the other hand, getting undercut on a headpop costing you all of your warp charges was miserable lmao

[pine oyster]

Ogryn

[tepid wing]

i'll take your word for it, i just remember trying ogryn and getting shot by everything including behind cover no matter what i did despite the tutorial telling my fat ass to duck

[pine oyster]

You can only fit "gol" before you run out.

[patent steeple]

you sure? I think the max limit for a player name is 18 characters...?

[pine oyster]

Isn't it 10?

[rigid sky]

I had a vet called Kraggakraggakragga

That's 18

I renamed it as soon as the option became available because lmao

[tulip kettle]

its 18

and, KR on BB with double wall and warp charges, is one of the better tools to kill bosses and groups of gunners

on non havoc

pop 1 wall, burst 4 heads, pop another wall, burst 4 heads, rinse repeat ad finitum

[pine oyster]

Stops OS in EP from stacking though.

[tulip kettle]

you can do the same thing with EP instead of BR

its higher burst in shorter time

[tepid wing]

but why not do both?

[tulip kettle]

you cant have EP and warp charges

[pine oyster]

Using it on muties isn't letting it stack no more.

[tulip kettle]

but the warp charges allow you to sit and clear a room full of gunners with no stresses because you have perma wall and the perma KR buff

the EP lets you drop both walls with 3 Ep stacks up and dump a lot of dmg into a boss

but then the combo isnt ready for a while

[pine oyster]

Are these considered specialists?

[tulip kettle]

yes. could you not take a screenshot on the PC?

[pine oyster]

On xbox

[tulip kettle]

oh fair enough

[pine oyster]

No cross progression, not worth buying second copy.

[random thunder]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/enemies

[pine oyster]

Bio-lodestone's more optimal if you're going after specialists, then?

[tepid wing]

yes specialists have any audio spawn cue

[marble crater]

Not fair enough, we also have a button to take easy screenshots

[tepid wing]

elites are ragers and gunners and crushers

[pine oyster]

So Overpowering Souls is basically not that good?

[marble crater]

and reapers, maulers, bulwarks

[tepid wing]

i can't say in my experience but i don't want to say i'm a high havoc expert

[pine oyster]

I'm leveling, haven't played havoc.

[tepid wing]

sorry by crushers i meant ogryns

[marble crater]

smh my head

[midnight jolt]

After playing Arbites Im so pissed at Psyker, why the fuck do we need a node to not slow down when quelling? is fucking dumb and stupid

Everybody press W and we have to slow down to quell

[pine oyster]

Or... let it drain slowly... or use venting shriek.

[marble crater]

Let me tell you about quelling while you slide

[somber needle]

Wait you can quell and slide!?

[midnight jolt]

can you cancel animation? yes, is the game designed to do that? no

[zinc comet]

But it is a thing you can do

[somber needle]

Ah okay

[marble crater]

It's a normal thing to do

[pine oyster]

No point.

[somber needle]

I'm still fairly new never tried it

[marble crater]

The point is to be faster when you need to be

[pine oyster]

Get quell speed instead.

[pine oyster]

By the time you start quelling, sliding stopped.

[marble crater]

Still faster

[pine oyster]

You know what's faster?

Quell speed increase.

[marble crater]

Quelling while sliding doesn't prevent you from doing that

[pine oyster]

If the point is to quell while moving fast, pick one or the other.

Or use Venting shriek.

[oak echo]

How long does it take to get good with a psyker? I still feel like I have no idea what I'm doing other than being a slave to penances

[marble crater]

Do you mean the talent?

[pine oyster]

Yes!

Solidity.

[midnight jolt]

I mean speed of you walking while quelling, context

[marble crater]

Well, do both

[midnight jolt]

why does it need to be a node !!

[marble crater]

Yeah that one is useless, Solidity is good

[pine oyster]

Not difference.

[marble crater]

Copy a build from the pins, test and see which stave you like, practice

[pine oyster]

There's no difference if you slide and quell with or without Solidity.

You're not quelling long enough for the numbers to matter.

The 30 percent increase matters because it shortens quelling all peril currently there.

Only matters in tiny bits if you're tryin̈g to kill a ranged unit with a staff.

[marble crater]

You slide and quell to be faster while quelling a bit and you use solidity to quell faster in other situations

[tepid wing]

quelling also has a lot of quirks like doing it at high levels is like 10% immediate

[young cliff]

question: what role each staff has? im guessing that Trauma is CC with a little damage, Purgatus is anti horde (but it just is overtuned because stuff like uncanny strike let it deal too much damage vs caparace elites) Vstrike is the sniper gun of the staffs, kinda, but idk what is the idea of the electro staff, is it an in between Trauma and Vstrike?

[pine oyster]

It's better to let the peril drain slowly if you're below 60% peril.

Walk it off.

[marble crater]

Trauma: CC, big damage in the center and horde clear with soulblaze blessing
Purgatus: CC and horde clear, bad at anything outside of 15m
Voidstrike: horde clear in corridors and good damage against elites as long as they are lined up nicely
Elektro: Elite and special single target hunting as well as some great CC on 2 targets

[young cliff]

how does Elektro works? i thought that the CC jumps are more than 2 targets from near the main target
also Vstrike is still AoE? so it doesnt reach a "sniper rifle but magic" status

[marble crater]

Elektro hits two targets, first target takes full damage and then it jumps to a second target for a little damage and stuns them both

Vstrike is AoE in the sense that it kills everything in a line, it pretty much is a magic sniper rifle that shoots through a lot of targets

But Vstrike is also very sad to use at the moment, the 3 other staves are much better or fun or both

[patent steeple]

so what you're saying is that, with the weapon-naming mod (Name It), I can rename my Vstrike to something like "I cast Anti-Materiel Rifle!" and have it make sense?

[marble crater]

I don't know the mod, but yes!

[tulip kettle]

vegeta your takes on quelling are just very wrong my dude

quelling while sliding is pretty mandatory on most staffs to get the most out of them

but you also wont be quelling more than 4 ticks so its fine to do it while sliding between charges

[wet charm]

squeak (the only thing rat can recommend is playing more. Rat has found that it really does come down to muscle memory reacting to certain audio or visual ques, as well as general experience)

[tulip kettle]

you usually need to quell from 95-100 ish down to 79

[ornate hamlet]

more like 83-85

at 83 peril i find i can full charge and cast at 99 in H40

[tulip kettle]

depends on the staff, blessings, peril nodes, etc

[ornate hamlet]

everything depends on something else

[tulip kettle]

if you arent using empyric resolve a full charge from 85 on trauma will blow you up

[ornate hamlet]

this has happened to me

83 only for purge

[wet charm]

squeak (that journey can take anywhere from 100 hrs to 1000 hrs. It is different from everyone, but for context, rat has over 1500 hrs only on voidblast psyker, and felt like rat could consistently clutch at around 500 hrs)

[ornate hamlet]

vb more like 80

but tbh tho

as a psyker you shouldnt really be using the force staves

a shotgun is a better choice

[tulip kettle]

shut up man.

the last thing, with regard to peril and quelling and talents i saw

was talking about mind in motion

mind in motion is literally useless

you will almost never quell when you arent sliding

[ornate hamlet]

shutup dude

[tulip kettle]

if you are quelling when you arent sliding its a pretty niche situation where you are probably just stood behind a corner quelling for your next BB or sthing, in which case you also dont need it

i have never seen anyone take MiM and i have never seen a need for it myself either

just useless

especially considering going down the right side of the tree means you would likely want malefic momentum instead

[oak echo]

Damn, we have skavens in the channel

[wet charm]

;-;

[oak echo]

And no, I have no idea what they are other than rat people from fantasy

[wet charm]

squeak (rat's guide explains how to slide quell, but if you are new rat wouldnt recommend following rat's build and playstyle yet)

[pine oyster]

My entire team got curbstomped by fucked physics and a chaos spawn.

[random thunder]

is that good for electro staff?

[tulip kettle]

i like it

[wet charm]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9df8cf62-74bb-407a-b6ab-b942ad63597d/the-best-psyker-build-rats-trauma-psyker

[pine oyster]

Shortest mission ever.

[random thunder]

was that fixed?

[ornate hamlet]

'best build' meanwhile runs wound curios, ER, CW, IT and ignore PT and KF

truly insane build

[tulip kettle]

and battle med

but tbh

its fine for a beginner

very safe and ez

low ceiling low floor

[ornate hamlet]

true ig, not hating, just saying its not the 'best' build

[wet charm]

squeak (hehe its a common comment rat gets, but again rat thinks the gameplay speaks for itself)

[marble crater]

Yes

[tulip kettle]

and running ER with tranquility and battle med

i see what youre doing

but i dont like it and dont think its good

again, really good for beginners

[ornate hamlet]

dont forget abt inner tranq lmao

gotta max that 0 peril

nvm

cant read

reading hard

[wet charm]

squeak (surprisingly enough, rat struggles with managing peril with how rat plays)

squeak (it has actually become quite necessary to take so much peril reduction)

[tulip kettle]

yeah im reading your notes and stuff with it

again

[wet charm]

squeak (and as a result rat tends to pop as well, which is why rat likes crys will and wound)

[tulip kettle]

i think its fine, but i think many players here would say its certainly not optimal

and running 60 blast radius on void is immediately sus

[wet charm]

squeak (defs not, but rat addresses it at the bottom)

[tulip kettle]

i read your justification

and i think its still wrong

[ornate hamlet]

yea this a super super beginner build for what is allegedly "best trauma psyker"

[tulip kettle]

strike 60 blast makes much more sense but my guy youre on like 90 peril reduction

with solidity and quietitude

[wet charm]

squeak (it is certainly an interesting choice, but with how often rat spams secondary it really is the best choice rat has found)

[tulip kettle]

idk man

i find its better to just quell between blasts and play without flurry

and get way more dmg per blast

but thats just my take i gues

[wet charm]

squeak (the gameplay might explain it better than rat ever could with words)

[tulip kettle]

also

again i see

and i see no final toll

so idk man

[wet charm]

squeak (noh thats fine, rat respects everyone)

[ornate hamlet]

im a nosy person (kinda like a rat) so i was looking at your most recent twitch vod

bro...

bro........

[wet charm]

squeak (it is quite hard convey the build choices especially when rat has such a unique way of scurrying)

[ornate hamlet]

i think the build is not as good as you claim it to be

[tulip kettle]

yeah its cool

[wet charm]

.0.

[random thunder]

what's that ?

[tulip kettle]

a havoc modifier that means you cant knock stuff down

[wet charm]

squeak (thats fine, but from rats experience it has been the evolution of 1500 hrs learning solely trauma psyker)

[zinc comet]

Do you manually type out squeak or do you ctrl v and type your message inside

[wet charm]

squeak (it has become muscle memory at this point fren)

[random thunder]

btw how do you quell cancel ? i keep trying but it doesn't work

[wet charm]

squeak (rat has almost done it before emails too) xD

[tulip kettle]

you cant

[ornate hamlet]

so rat, as a creature with 1500 hours on vb, whats ur opinion on the crit burn version of the build?

[marble crater]

Doesn't work because it was removed

[random thunder]

thank god

[wet charm]

squeak (its great for damage! but rat prefers a more reactive and fast paced gameplay)

[random thunder]

electro staff surge is still good tho right ? or should i go for warp flurry M2 spam ? i cannot decide rn

[tulip kettle]

i have recently been playing it with flurry

instead of surge

still with nexus

you can do a bit of both as needed

[random thunder]

i've been playing flurry and it's pretty nice but a guide rated it as garbage tier so i'm confused

[analog agate]

Rat is good with his build. But, as Rat had heard us say before, is not optimized as a meta build for VB

[marble crater]

Elektro lmb spam was also removed, because no quell cancel anymore

[random thunder]

so maybe i should try surge?

[random thunder]

lmb is already quite fast

[tulip kettle]

you can still do lmb spam

its just not as good without the cancelling

you will still likely top damage with it

but yes, i think its better to lean into RMB

and just lmb spam for stuff at long range

[wet charm]

squeak (certainly not optimised for damage, but optimised to compensate for the fact that rat will never play perfectly) T^T

[random thunder]

nice that's the way i lean into

[long vessel]

According to YouTube electro staff was the best one like 8 months ago, not currently- what happened? And what replaced it?

[tulip kettle]

and run flurry and nexus

[marble crater]

Just play flurry and nexus for charged attacks like a normal person

[tulip kettle]

well its just that, in havoc, you essentially need to run inferno

and EK before had a quell cancel tech that allowed it to silly dps that was removed

[marble crater]

Don't listen to youtube, elektro is very much one of the best staves at the moment

[ornate hamlet]

ive cleared havocs many times with vb and my gunker build

[tulip kettle]

so now EK has gone down in the rankings

[ornate hamlet]

H40s

[tulip kettle]

yes, you can

i also have

but MAINLY, in pubs, your job is to bring the infinite ammo infinite cleave rending flamer

[marble crater]

Voidblast and Inferno for Havoc
Elektro for everything else

[tulip kettle]

you set everything on fire and then stack uncanny

[ornate hamlet]

my job in pubs is to blow my head up and cause my team to wipe 😎

[analog agate]

It is best staff in non havoc

[random thunder]

i feel like i could fulfill this role

[tulip kettle]

but i do also think EK is still the best outside of havoc

though i am and will always be a blazing trauma enjoyer

[marble crater]

Good job

[long vessel]

Ah ok, thank you. To clarify there one or two YTers I watch still rank it high, but the controversy comes from here, where people say it’s poo poo

[tulip kettle]

oh its not poopoo

[tulip kettle]

voidstrike is unmistakably the worst staff

[ornate hamlet]

ironically also the most fun

[tulip kettle]

and inferno is honestly trash outside of high havoc

[ornate hamlet]

i like vs staff on the train mission

[tulip kettle]

i just tried strike

is it just me

or are the projectiles htemselves slower than EK

[random thunder]

playing with all arbiters makes me feel like i'm also their dog

[long vessel]

My opinion isn’t particularly relevant here but I’ve had the same experience with inferno as a ogryn main. I get left behind and overwhelmed

[tulip kettle]

FACTS

inferno is bad outside of high havoc because the enmies arent dense enough for it to be useful

in my experience

[random thunder]

exactly why i want to play more dynamically with other staves

[tulip kettle]

in havoc, if you are getting left behind by your team, its either a bad team or youre doing something seriously wrong

they should be actively staying near you

as they will die without your flamer

[long vessel]

I haven’t played havoc at all yet, I’m newly into auric on my main class

[tulip kettle]

in auric i wouldnt run inferno

Ek and blast much better

[long vessel]

Still in damn on psyker

But I’m getting there lol

[ripe obsidian]

Team says, "WE ARE THE LEX," and charges headfirst into everything. I, as a Psyker, get surrounded by the bulwarks and crushers they ignored. I die.

[tulip kettle]

indeed

and then, 5 minutes later when they get to an event

[ripe obsidian]

Actually had that happen the other day, but with an Ogryn.

[tulip kettle]

all the stuff behind them they ignored catches up

and they all die also

[long vessel]

Exactly lol

[ripe obsidian]

Ogryn went down, I tossed up a bubble to save him, then he immediately charged out and ran off. I survived like another minute, then splat.

[tulip kettle]

in non havoc, you dont bring inferno and you just clutch it yourself

standard

some games a spsyker you feel safe

and you pass the mission

some games youre fending for yourself

and you lose

[ripe obsidian]

Funny thing, we lost that map 2-3 times. Then the Ogryn quit, and new Ogryn joined, and I think we did it with no downs.

One player can make a huge difference.

[wet charm]

squeak (aim to be that one player!)

squeak (funny enough, at some point, rat's psyker went from backline support to spearheading attacks)

[random thunder]

EXACTLY what i was complaining about for my first auric game earlier lmao

[wet charm]

squeak (it really is quite interesting how the traditional team dynamic shifts when you really start to master a build on psyker)

[ripe obsidian]

Eh. I am not good enough to solo clutch 95% of the time on H40 as Psyker. At least, not with Purgatus. Maybe with Trauma. On Arbites, maybe. But I usually top the damage chart and am often least damage taken. So I hold my own.

[deft stump]

Naw, I'm always in the back unless forced to clutch.

[ripe obsidian]

I am in the front with bubble shield to make people move forward

Sprint, slide, bubble, burn

Repeat

[wet charm]

squeak (rat feels it is only possible with trauma due to its great stagger)

[deft stump]

Then rng 400 ping run through Baross trying not to die to like 15 crushers, a boss and a random assortment of mobian 6th.

[wet charm]

squeak (but thats fine, rat is sure you will become good enough to clutch if you keep playing. There is no substitute for experience and practice)

[wet charm]

squeak (probably the sensible option. rat has died some untimely deaths from being too bold)

[deft stump]

Is more I loot too much and keep looking back for trappers.

[ripe obsidian]

I'm not missing practice. I have like 1300 hours and play mostly Havoc 40. I think this is my skill ceiling.

[deft stump]

Panic harder and it might go better.

[ripe obsidian]

Got it. More panic.

[wet charm]

squeak (you might appreciate this clutch from a while ago)

[wet charm]

squeak (honestly rat does the same, but fills in a bit for everyones role. Its simultaniously super fun and super stressful) >.<

[deft stump]

But is me, I run on it.

[deft stump]

I'm just slacking around till I'm not since is auric.

[wet charm]

squeak (at a certain point, good builds and weapoons matter. fortunately rat hasnt had to worry much about it at all with how oppressive the trauma staff is)

[deft stump]

But new auric seems to love bigger armoured hordes since 3 frags and they aren't dying as much as expected.

[marble crater]

@deft stump Sin had to carry me in h40 yesterday because you weren't there

[wet charm]

squeak (rat would never have been able to clutch that situation without the trauma. and even if rat did clutch without it, it would have taken faaaaar longer to kill)

[deft stump]

Go ask @plucky flax for H40 carries. I suck at H40.

[ripe obsidian]

My build and weapons are fine. I've spent enough time tweaking them. But as you said, Trauma is about the only clutch staff of Psyker because of the crowd control.

And I just don't play Trauma often

[marble crater]

[deft stump]

Ah. I just did the knoife zealot speedrun thing. Someone left and another replaced to pick up the team.

[ripe obsidian]

Did have a 2x Trauma psyker game the other day. It was the single easiest H40 I have ever done.

[deft stump]

Except as vet.

[ripe obsidian]

Other Psyker was Blaze, I was Rending.

[wet charm]

squeak (a force to be reckoned with)

[cursive quarry]

I'm a Zealot main, but I should maybe ask here instead of asking Zealots:
I find psyker quite hard. I try to use smites and bubbles to protect people, but toughness-wise, I'm the weakest on the team. So if I don't dodge a lot, I die a lot. And I also don't have high offense numbers because I focus on protecting people.
So I wonder how psykers do it... As psykers, what are you thinking when you play - do you focus on killing enemies first, and protecting people is secondary?

[ripe obsidian]

Smite locks you in place, more or less, if you're holding it.

[analog agate]

Psykers dodge a lot

[deft stump]

Kill or be killed.

[ripe obsidian]

If you're set on using smite, quick pushes are often better.

[wet charm]

squeak (specifically with the voidblast staff, a short answer would be good movement, good reaction to audio/visual ques, target prioritisation, map and situational awareness, and suppressing/staggering elites and ranged depending on what is the largest threat at the moment)

[unique relic]

Psyker is like the man woth erictle dysfunction but hass all the nice bdsm toys

[ripe obsidian]

But Psyker is squishy. You can mitigate some ranged damage with things like bubble, Empathic Evasion, and Deflector, but you have to move and avoid being hit. You output massive damage, but if you get touched, you suffer.

Trauma/Voidblast is honestly safer and more useful than smite for surviving and offering team support

More damage and more mobility, with near-equal crowd control.

[wet charm]

squeak (it is always a balancing act dealing with your own immediate threats and helping your team. When you get good at balancing those two factors, then its about dancing to the tune of the current situation and finding an opportunity whenever possible to send a secondary staff blast towards a frens direction)

[static sonnet]

So why does the Warp Unbound timer mod start the timer at 11.5 seconds instead of 10 seconds.

[ripe obsidian]

Because it was bugged at 10 seconds and you died

So they made it longer to fix it

[cursive quarry]

Ah I assumed Smite was the best for Psyker because whenever I'm playing Zealot, it's handy when a Psyker freezes everything so i can kill it heh. So I thought Smite was their best move.

But maybe "kill or be killed" actually is the approach. First, focus on killing things. And dodging things, and staying alive. Then protect people as a secondary thing

[unique relic]

Dancing? That sounds something a slaanesh worshipper would enjoy

[ripe obsidian]

There was a gap between Gaze ending and Warp Unbound starting, and if you Psyk'd in that time window, pop

[ripe obsidian]

Smite is strong. But also hated a lot, particularly in this discord.

[deft stump]

Can't help if dead.

[wet charm]

squeak (again rat's gameplay is quite a good example with the voidblast staff, and you will hopefully learn a lot from the moment to moment reactionary decisions rat makes)

squeak (though your paws and brain might hurt a bit after) >.<

[cursive quarry]

Ah I didn't know... As a zealot, I love it heh. I get all the kills, while I silently acknowledge in my mind that the psyker set up all the kills for me

[ripe obsidian]

Smite does a lot of things. But most frustrating, it turns off the game for other players. Smite means the game becomes a shooting gallery. And many Smykers don't have strong mechanics beyond Smite, which means they can be a liability if things get hectic

[sullen rapids]

what smite doesn’t do is damage

[ripe obsidian]

Your gameplay style is somewhat unique as compared with more "meta" trauma psykers, for what it's worth.

[static sonnet]

well now Im having the issue of hearing the Talen turn off, but the timer is still at a second or so and Im dying. Do you think I could turn the timer back down in the code or something?

[ripe obsidian]

Probably. But I wouldn't be the best person to help you. Maybe look in the .lua file for the mod to see what you can find?

[deft stump]

Try 8 secs. Lag or packet loss will make things spicier.

[cursive quarry]

Yeah, Smite is a support thing. (Which is why I didn't realize how difficult it is to play with smite when I tried psyker... it can't really kill anything - at best, it can pause enemies briefly. But you're still going to have to manually kill things like a zealot if you want to survive)

[ripe obsidian]

Hence using smite to quickly push things rather than holding it

[wet charm]

Squeak (very much so, but its a lot of fun to compare and challenge the status quo, especially when rat can really back up what rat is saying with experience and evidence!)

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, not saying you're wrong or anything. Just commenting that how you play is not going to align entirely with most people's experiences. Results matter, though, and so long as you're doing well and having fun, do what you want.

[deft stump]

To be fair, everything is on playstyle, some are more aggressive, others defensive. Some are proactive, others reactive.

[wet charm]

Squeak (noh rat understands fully)

[cursive quarry]

Is there such a thing as an aggressive psyker? How does that work? Are you still using bubbles and smite to control crowds?

[deft stump]

Is why pubbing is spicy, you have no idea how a random plays at all.

[ornate hamlet]

why must you feel the need to protect others? i personally expected people to pull their own weight tbh

[deft stump]

See AgentChaos stuff.

He leads whatever he plays as.

Go fast style as well.

[ripe obsidian]

Bear in mind that Assail will still stagger Ragers and weaker enemies, and Voidblast will knock over everything smaller than a boss--and will even get a Beast of Nurgle to spit out a teammate if timed properly. Inferno's LMB will stagger maulers and below, and I think Electrokinetic stuns most things? So you have a lot of CC options without smitelocking things. And almost all of them allow you more mobility and reactivity

[cursive quarry]

How do you play psyker? Do you do melee like a zealot, or do you use psyker abilities?

[wet charm]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0J3bcFyn_iA&t=296s&pp=ygUJVGhlcmF0b2Nl

[hearty wolf]

Depends on the game mode. Usually having people up makes the game a lot easier than not.

[ripe obsidian]

Hierarchy of needs. Personal survival comes first, and once that is secure, move to other things.

Don't kill yourself to save a teammate. But don't ignore a teammate in need if you're in a position to help them.

[wet charm]

Squeak (with how versatile and strong the voidblast is, you try to maximise its uptime and use melee as a support weapon to finish off specials and elites quickly)

[deft stump]

If you feel the risk is worth it, try helping.

[cursive quarry]

(I didn't mean any offense by asking. I feel like you have the right approach for using psyker, just curious how you think as you play)

[deft stump]

Always leave a leeway if you need to cancel and run to not be killed.

[ornate hamlet]

psyker is a dps powerhouse, if your team can keep u alive you can kill everything before it touchs your team

if u wanna keep people safe play taunt ogryn or book zealot

[hearty wolf]

@strong gulch I think I saw you woke up at some point?

I just woke up

[cursive quarry]

Heh yeah, that guy's good. By the time you think he should do something, you realize he's already started doing it

[ornate hamlet]

me when people say psyker doesnt do good boss damage (H40)

[ripe obsidian]

That guy is the one who linked the video

One and the same

[wet charm]

Squeak (rat thinks you actually have more impact keeping your team safe as a trauma psyker than an oggy ever could, at least not counting oppressive bosses like chaos spawns)

[cursive quarry]

Yeah, psykers can definitely do a lot of damage. I used to think that it was because they can use smite to attack tons of enemies at once... But then when I tried psyker with smite, I did the least damage on the team heh. So there is more to it

[wet charm]

Squeak (it is quite broken how much your stagger with voidblast can impact the flow of a scurry in the vast amount of situations)

[hearty wolf]

Red appears

[ripe obsidian]

Helps when your team almost has less damage together than you do alone.

Burn the world, bosses included.

[ornate hamlet]

not my fault they suck lmao

[hearty wolf]

There's too much to context but to me it doesn't seem like psyker is that far ahead if it is

I'm rarely out damaged

And that's on Arb

Like if there's purple then yeah, you're just farming

[ripe obsidian]

Depending on awareness. It can sometimes be an issue if you're overzealous trying to protect your team and knocking enemies out of their melee range, thus denying them toughness regen. I learned that the hard way a while back. I usually don't get my teammates killed anymore. Usually.

[plucky flax]

It seems rolling nvidia drivers back to previous version makes me crash less.

[hearty wolf]

That's a typical Nvidia moment

Like the third set of dog shit drivers we've had this year already lmao

[last shore]

Which card

[plucky flax]

4090. It doesn't really like the latest driver I keep having engine error crash.

I rolled back to the one came out late june.

[last shore]

Hm that’s odd. I also run 4090

[pallid kayak]

Damn what build you runnin

[last shore]

Hopefully it’s not your CPU

[plucky flax]

Don't think so my cpu is new.

[last shore]

By any chance, is it intel

[plucky flax]

I have amd.

Latest cpu and gpu drivers. Well was gpu driver I rolled back now.

[last shore]

Hm that’s definitely weird

Maybe next GPU update will fix it

[plucky flax]

Yeah I'll bypass this latest version for now.

[hearty wolf]

@ripe obsidian Wanna give it a run?

@broken carbon also

[ripe obsidian]

It's always fascinating to me to watch people like Rat or AgentChaos play the game. Their situational awareness and reactions times are just so much better than mine. I think I'm a decent player, but I'm scraping my skill ceiling.

[hearty wolf]

You

"I'll tag u"

[ripe obsidian]

I have two cats lying on me. Give me a bit.

[plucky flax]

You're fine bro it's just luck.

[hearty wolf]

Mine just released me

I'm feeling the blood flowing back into my arm and it HURTS

[ripe obsidian]

Also there's an emergency flood warning going on, so my power has a risk of going out. :D

[ripe obsidian]

This is a fine feline.

[hearty wolf]

I have secured the buttons

[hearty wolf]

As is yours. Is happy nap time

[hearty wolf]

O fock

Maybe I'll brave the denizens of havoc matchmaking

[analog agate]

It is playtime too. Pretty sure both of them have at least have 1k more hours than you.

[deft stump]

I see cat tax.

[tulip kettle]

watching rats video above just made me mad honestly

its a super cool playstyle, very sweet movement tech etc but like

the overall gameplay as a team was like wtf am i watching

just 4 solo players running around

[analog agate]

It is definitely part of his influencer playstyle. Playing like a “rat”

[hearty wolf]

I don't even have 500 😭

[analog agate]

Some of us just can’t be as good as you right away

[tulip kettle]

if i got matched into that lobby i would leave ngl

[hearty wolf]

I'm not even that good. I literally am on a losing streak

I think half of my issues in this game are mental

[tulip kettle]

and at least 1/3rd are numbered 2014 and 2005

[deft stump]

There are more. Lul.

[plucky flax]

I have 2.8k hours.

Probably around 200 hours in meatgrinder.

And maybe 50 hours afk.

So still a lot.

[hearty wolf]

50h afk in all of that is really good

[dusky crag]

Has anyone posted the psyker skill tree tier list from the subreddit

[hearty wolf]

I wish the game tracked stats a bit better

[ripe obsidian]

Sounds frustrating.

[plucky flax]

2.5mils kills.

[plucky flax]

Based smite.

[ripe obsidian]

Giving Assail a C is the first ??? decision I see

And a D for Empyric Resolve?

A for Souldrinker?

Yeah, there are some bad takes in here.

[plucky flax]

Maybe that's why the thread got 0 upvote.

But then again 95% of reddit suck balls.

[ripe obsidian]

@hearty wolf I have escaped my imprisonment

[dusky crag]

Reddit has all the worst players condensed into one place

[hearty wolf]

speed eating

[ripe obsidian]

Don't give yourself indigestion

Or, I have no idea how old you are. Maybe your body hasn't aged enough yet to hate you for doing things like that

[marble crater]

Thanks, I hate it

[plucky flax]

Unrelated to that psyker tier list thread but this guy from another thread dropped this knowledge bomb. Fair if you don't like wildfire but calling ER bad as well.

[ripe obsidian]

Man, I see so many redditors bash on Empyric Resolve

It's so good

[plucky flax]

Of course his comment is most upvoted in the thread.

[marble crater]

True Aim, Empyric Resolve and Kinetic Flayer in the same tier as Mind in Motion is certainly a choice

[deft stump]

Many pubs like that. One even asked if I could help his builds after I had to try to clutch games. I told him not to waste points going for that one since too iffy to proc often enough.

[ripe obsidian]

It's such a massive point tax for such a mediocre node

[deft stump]

I told him to come here for help instead since I'm more a funni vet main.

[marble crater]

I can understand advising new players not to take Empyric Resolve though, if they are still learning Psyker they will get punished a lot from the lower toughness regen

[marble crater]

You are a gremlin main

[broken carbon]

once again

worst time

[plucky flax]

You are carry main.

[deft stump]

Loot gremlin, yes. He was like, never got that much loot at end of a run before.

[marble crater]

🧎‍♂️

[deft stump]

Naw, that's you.

[plucky flax]

I think you mistook me for someone else.

Maybe it's some beef sandwich guy.

[deft stump]

Mr. I'm totally not UnsanctionedPsyker.

[ripe obsidian]

@plucky flax why does your EK staff do more damage than mine? >:(

[marble crater]

Because of cheats mods

[plucky flax]

Probably cheat mods.

[marble crater]

You need to install the "Deal more damage" mod

[summer prairie]

he hosts his own games and picks people who don't damage steal

[plucky flax]

Stop spilling all the beans.

[marble crater]

So that's why he asked me to play with him that one time

[versed crescent]

hi, im semi new and looking over the tanner purge staff build guide, wanted to ask whether that info from 6 months ago is still relevant today?

[ripe obsidian]

hey that was gonna be my line

[marble crater]

Sorry, it was me

[versed crescent]

dont tell me this is like a theb sot situation 😭

[deft stump]

I mean, is why he carries me. Totally can't DPS type.

[versed crescent]

im learning the game not the drama pls

[marble crater]

[zinc comet]

The drama is the guy is unreliable

[marble crater]

What's was the build for inferno? I don't watch him, so I don't know

[versed crescent]

like the staff not fully empowered for minimum warp res, wanted to confirm before commiting to a craft

may i post links here?

[marble crater]

Having low warp resistance on inferno is good, but 60 works perfectly fine

[ripe obsidian]

@plucky flax quick question: looks like, in your video, you mostly do quick RMBs with EK. Is there a particular logic there, or is it mostly, "This thing is too close, I want it to stop moving"? Then full charges when you have more space

[versed crescent]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCq7m-iDW3Q

this contains the crafting part in the first 2 minutes ish

but its like three different videos regarding the build n how to play it

[marble crater]

Didn't ask me, but I don't do full charges because it just feels and flows better for how I use the staff

[ripe obsidian]

For Shriek spam, lower Warp Res is often good. Otherwise, I think having 60 warp res is preferable. But other people know more than me.

[versed crescent]

its hard to find solid info for tides games to begin with, im takin what i can get yknow what i mean

[ripe obsidian]

You are welcome to answer nonetheless.

[versed crescent]

aight ill try to craft one up thank you

[ripe obsidian]

I found myself mostly doing like half-charges, so I wanted to ask

[marble crater]

I already did

[hearty wolf]

@ripe obsidian 24 but I think I've gotten to the point my metabolism is slowing down. I eat food and I put on weight now

like how fucking cringe is that

[versed crescent]

also this is bugged according to that video, is that still the case i wonder?

[marble crater]

Eating food is very cringe

[versed crescent]

oh i cant post pics

[ripe obsidian]

What difficulty level are you playing?

[versed crescent]

penetration of the soul

node

[hearty wolf]

[ripe obsidian]

That happened to me, like, the day I turned 30

[marble crater]

No it's fixed now

[hearty wolf]

@summer prairie game?

[versed crescent]

100hrs in playing aurics and 20 ish havocs

[ripe obsidian]

I was eating less than ever, but I gained ~30 pounds in a few months

[versed crescent]

dont have much time in havoc bcs hard to get the squad together when i have time

[hearty wolf]

Make it stop 😭

[summer prairie]

maybe in 15 minutes or so

[versed crescent]

ah ok thank you

[marble crater]

Just wait until your knees start hurting for no reason

[ripe obsidian]

This is my H40 Inferno build. The red line is between two nodes you can take depending on preference.

I choose Soulstealer b/c the lingering Soulblaze stacks killing enemies feels more impactful to me than peril on quell, but it's debatable

Could also swap One with the Warp for Quietude.

[hearty wolf]

I'm getting white hairs but lowkey

[marble crater]

Taking multiple D tier nodes into havoc, must be bad (according to reddit)

[hearty wolf]

It kind of makes me hair look v.cool

[ripe obsidian]

Went to lunch with a friend a few months back. First thing she said to me? "You have more gray hair than before."

Thanks.

[marble crater]

[ripe obsidian]

I'm a D-tier player, so it checks out

[hearty wolf]

lies

[marble crater]

True, I had to clutch and kill 3 specials to save the mission

Smh

[ripe obsidian]

Specials are scary

...I am trying to introduce a friend to this game, and he decided to play Psyker first. I noticed he was only LMBing with his staff, and never blocking on melee. I asked why. The right button on his mouse does not work.

[marble crater]

Oh no

[ripe obsidian]

Oh no indeed

[deft stump]

Point him to recon gunker. Oh god poor thing.

[ripe obsidian]

tbh I might just get him a new mouse.

[deft stump]

True, there are decent gaming mouses for like $25 nowadays.

The usual side buttons included.

[versed crescent]

im not sure about that brain pop perk and empyric resolve also seems weird, but i get when in a full premade you can optimize around your role, im still playing a lot of random lobbies so dont feel like i can plug that in

am a novice psyker so maybe im at the wrong end of the bell curve atm lol

[ripe obsidian]

Kinetic Flaying has a lot of benefits that aren't immediately apparent

[versed crescent]

but thank you for sharing thats insightful

[gray juniper]

I started looking up different people’s havoc builds to fair better in havoc and a lot are something close to this. The thing is doesn’t taking empyric resolve along with warp activating nodes work against itself?

[versed crescent]

ok kinetic flaying peddler, sell it

[zinc comet]

Free damage

[sturdy reef]

who wanna play my shite h40

[versed crescent]

counterpoint - 100dps?

[marble crater]

The better you get, the better empyric resolve will be, because the downside doesn't matter anymore and because of lower peril generation you can cast and kill more per time spent quelling

[versed crescent]

and it procs like randomly on horde mobs aswell its kinda frustrating

[hearty wolf]

I think there needs to be a pin on dumping warp resist and ER

[marble crater]

Only elites and specials

[ripe obsidian]

So it's a free brain burst on an elite, special, or boss target once every 15ish seconds. That's free damage to start. On its own, it's something like a 7% damage increase across an entire match. Second, it will kickstart soulblaze stacks if paired with Perilous Combustion (and to a lesser extent, Wildfire). Due to how Soulblaze scales, the low stacks do very little, and it increases logarithmically, so those first 4ish stacks are critical to get on early. And when paired with Soulblaze, elites or specials you can't even see might pop because a single stack of soulblaze spread to them.

[vestal trench]

flayer gets rid of elites in a mixed horde youd otherwise have to burn down

[hearty wolf]

Because that's what';s confusing

[versed crescent]

ok i kinda see

[summer prairie]

Ok, I can play

[hearty wolf]

okiu

[marble crater]

I think we need a new guide at this point Potato already has pins, so I know who should write it

[hearty wolf]

Anyone else

[ripe obsidian]

I exist.

[hearty wolf]

yesyes i know you

but 1 more

[ripe obsidian]

@sturdy reef ?

[sturdy reef]

?

[vestal trench]

would bromentum combat axe be decent to pair with EK in aurics? or would it feel bad without atk speed buffs?

[ripe obsidian]

Havoc!

[gray juniper]

Psykers had the dog the whole time

[sturdy reef]

o

ya

[hearty wolf]

Oh god

[versed crescent]

@ripe obsidian tysm for taking your time to explain, imma have to give the build another passover

[hearty wolf]

It's the stack again

surely it won't' be completely fucked

[sturdy reef]

Im memeing

btw

[hearty wolf]

https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1042857623285940234

[ripe obsidian]

As for Empyric Resolve, is fine to start without it. It's very good, but harder for new Psykers.

[hearty wolf]

all g

[marble crater]

You have syllo as a huge upgrade to me, you will be fine

[vestal trench]

also havoc quell speed nerf just feels like base sienna quell speed

[round summit]

is the smite build viable?

[versed crescent]

i also hate shield so havent played it yet, it probably makes more sense there when you have your own tdr and regen on demand

[marble crater]

Yes

[round summit]

where can i find

[marble crater]

(but I want to say no)

[ripe obsidian]

Shield is very useful for high havoc. Not necessary

[versed crescent]

yeah i know, im just not at a spot where i NEED it and i hate how it stops the flow of the game hella

[ripe obsidian]

Especially Havoc 1.0 where a single basic shooter would literally kill you in under a second

[marble crater]

[ripe obsidian]

Nah, shield shouldn't stop the flow of the game. Use it to move forward, but you don't need to hide in it

[deft stump]

Is a sniper main. It's basically the easiest ranged carry in DOTA2. Don't expect much thinking and just wanting easy.

[ripe obsidian]

It has such a short cooldown that you can just spam it

[versed crescent]

tell that to my randoms hahah

[marble crater]

First one is for heavy smite focus, second is for smite only in emergency situations

[ripe obsidian]

I think the most effective games I've had in high havoc has been when the Zealot and I alternate bubble and choir to just endlessly push through enemies

[marble crater]

I don't know how this relates at all

[versed crescent]

cant react for some reason so uhhh

👍

im usually zealot when we play havoc so ik what u mean

same thing for us where i choir then my ogryn taunts and i can get a choir up from backstabs no matter what

[deft stump]

They want the easiest build to play on psyker. The ranged glass cannon that goes around murdering things and bullying stuff with smite ep. Sniper is a brain dead carry that just bullies melee stuff by perma staggering/knocking them back if you get lucky.

[marble crater]

[vestal trench]

omg, rare dota player 🫡

[deft stump]

And unless they changed it again, aghs ult just decimates primary target and nukes everything behind.

[deft stump]

I honestly just play custom games or Horde mode nowadays. PvP is bleah now.

[vestal trench]

understandable

[round summit]

what staff for this? 🙂

[vestal trench]

last time my group touched it was to fuck around in ai mode

last pvp moba we actually sank our teeth into was deadlock

[marble crater]

Elektro has the best synergy

[deft stump]

I know. Got into the beta.

[gray juniper]

That guy from the match was smiting too much/too long last night but arguably he was probably overwhelmed by the volume since he was a returning player and trying to get back into a workable flow

[vestal trench]

i still have high hopes for it but playerbase tanked and the remaining players are cracked and i cannot keep up

[gray juniper]

He was doing really good for not playing what, a year?

[random thunder]

is that +1 smite necessary ?

[hearty wolf]

For me

[marble crater]

If you want your smite to spread significantly quicker and further, yes

[hearty wolf]

It was the movement that ruined it

[deft stump]

He asked me for build help. Wanted to try headpop but hated how slow it was. So I just told him to focus on staff and keep smite as needed.

[vestal trench]

i liked the movement

[marble crater]

It does a lot more than the description says

[vestal trench]

but my point of reference when it comes to overwhelming movement tech was like

apex

so deadlock didnt seem bad for me LOL

[gray juniper]

It’s been a really long time since I used the bubble or the voidblast so that wasn’t helping tbh

[deft stump]

Why no issue tbh. Oh and I got him to join but he's been quiet here.

[random thunder]

i love fatshark descriptions

[zinc comet]

Deadlock movement is good though

[vestal trench]

especially viscous move tech

[marble crater]

Don't we all

[vestal trench]

i turned into ball and immediately mained him

[zinc comet]

You haven’t seen the Abrams movement guide for beginners

[vestal trench]

never tried abrams LOL

i saw clips of the melee dash schmovement tho

insanity

[zinc comet]

There are some definitely unintentional things you can do

HMC is gone

[gray juniper]

And Lippgirl/Iippgirl? She was pushing so fast lol. You’d be way in the back grabbing things and she’d be dropping down. Running the middle in a bomber match was hectic

[deft stump]

I think is @astral flint tbh.

[random thunder]

btw why do people in guides say "dump this stat" i cannot dump a stat they all get upgraded

[tulip kettle]

it just means

[zinc comet]

Dump means lowest stat

At 60

[tulip kettle]

that is the stat with 60

instead of 80

[marble crater]

Dump stat = the stats that's 60

[random thunder]

ah

shit

[marble crater]

[deft stump]

Too fast for you two. I'm okay for the most part.

[tulip kettle]

to get wepons

just buy straight from brunts armory the one you want in grey

until you get one with 80 max in all stats and 60 in the dump

[random thunder]

ok real quick what do i dump on duelling sword, illisi, and electro staff?

[tulip kettle]

then empower it to max

DS is usually mobility but you can also dump cleave

illisi its warp res

[deft stump]

I like looting, but tank build looting is uhhhh, slow.

[tulip kettle]

and EK its warp res or quell speed depending on what you like

[zinc comet]

Dueling sword is defences/cleave or mob

The stats change on mark

[random thunder]

my DS is cleave my illisi is mobility and EK is warp resistance

[tulip kettle]

if im going to actually use the DS to clear trash i will dump mobility

[random thunder]

i'm actually super lucky

LOL

[tulip kettle]

if im using it to keep myself alive i will dump cleave

illisi should be warp res

[marble crater]

Dump stats for psyker weapons are also in the second pin

[random thunder]

why's mobility not valued?

[tulip kettle]

on EK i have a 70 - 70 warp res quell speed because im bad at the game and dont know stuff

[zinc comet]

Doesnt affect damage

[random thunder]

i thought ppl were all about speed

[tulip kettle]

basically this

well, like i said above

i have a DS with dumped cleave for mobility

[zinc comet]

The difference between 60 and 80 mob is barely noticeable

More damage is noticeable

[tulip kettle]

the one thing is on some weapons higher mobility gives you longer dodges

[random thunder]

obviously you wouldn't dumb damage

but there's defense and cleave

[zinc comet]

Stats that aren’t damage affect damage

And flamer dumps damage

[tulip kettle]

well, all of the stats tend to indirectly affect damage except mobility

[zinc comet]

But that’s not a psyker weapon

[jovial juniper]

You get all available dodges for the weapon at 51% Mobility
Everything else past that is fluff that doesn't really matter

[marble crater]

Remember before the crafting rework and blaze away, when dumping damage on inferno was acceptable

[random thunder]

got it

[tulip kettle]

but on illisi for example

you would rather dump warp res

and have the mobility

[sullen rapids]

whats the second perk on trauma stick?

unyielding? carapace?

[tulip kettle]

flak

for blazing

[sullen rapids]

so true actually ty

[tulip kettle]

but with blazing i would highly recommend nexus instead of flurry

[gray juniper]

Yea it’s not fast moving on the map for covering all those areas. It’s legit slow. But nah she wasn’t too fast for me. I just felt bad for that guy getting taking down so much. I don’t think you saw how often near the end he was holding smite down when it was the two of us. The snipers were dogging him

[random thunder]

crits are going to be too rare for blazing spirit

[tulip kettle]

you really want to critmaxx with it

[sullen rapids]

25% is too rare?

damn

[tulip kettle]

im sort of a blazing main if i was going to say i main anything

and yes you really want to be pushing 50% crit rate to make it properly work

[astral flint]

Yes

[deft stump]

And I can't see anything in the first place. I hate inferno modifier as much as lights out.

[marble crater]

Play Blaze Trauma with True Aim

[tulip kettle]

good inferno players crouch and aim at the enemies feet

[sullen rapids]

how do you even get to 50 without scrier?

[tulip kettle]

damage output is the same but your team can see

[random thunder]

warp nexus

[tulip kettle]

with all the crit rate talents from the tree and warp nexus

and +5% on the weapon

[gray juniper]

It was a rough adjustment for someone that hasn’t played in a while to be thrown into that. A lot of unexpected intensity from specials

?

[dusky crag]

2 of me

I'm gone

[deft stump]

Oh hai, you can ask build questions here or @strong gulch for more info tbh. Probably better than asking me in general, am more a vet main lul.

[left crypt]

how hoes damage resistance to enemy stack on curios?

[tulip kettle]

diminishingly

they are generally just bad

[deft stump]

Is inferno, more fire bombs, flamers and explosions. Also more fire barrels. And also lights out but at home.

[marble crater]

Oh no, not this debate again

[tulip kettle]

right but

it doesnt work how you think it does

[left crypt]

weather its good or bad or not im just curious how it does does stack

[tulip kettle]

damage resistance to bombers doesnt give you damage res to their nades

as an example

[random thunder]

when does this shit end

i hate it

[deft stump]

10 wins...

[marble crater]

But if they ever kick you, you are ready for it

[deft stump]

Then never quickplay ever.

[tulip kettle]

or if they throw it directly in your face

[gray juniper]

I should’ve saved it but the bathrawr guy had the best explanation

[zinc comet]

Do people put damage resist to bombers though

[tulip kettle]

😄

this guy is asking about it for the inferno modifier

[marble crater]

Some people do

[deft stump]

Gunner or sniper.

[tulip kettle]

and im telling him that it doesnt work on the fire from their nades

[marble crater]

No resist at all, just dodge

[tulip kettle]

sniper another example

in not havoc

you wont go down to a sniper even without the resistance

[left crypt]

thats crazy since that is their damage but its usually gunner that i put on

[tulip kettle]

and in hvaoc you go down either way

on curios

there are much better things to take

always

than any of the enemy damage resistance types

[gray juniper]

Yea I thought so

[zinc comet]

49% gunner resists or whatever the final number is seems nice though

[tulip kettle]

again its not

it seems it would be

[left crypt]

if i die to a gunner anymore its just because the party has gotten bogged and they shoot threw all other targets

[tulip kettle]

but the way they work

they either clip you and you woldnt go down

[random thunder]

i'm at 4/10
FUCK

[tulip kettle]

or youre getting swiss cheesed by 10 in 0.2 of a sec

and increasing 0.2 sec to 0.3 sec does nothing

[zinc comet]

What if it took .4 to swiss cheese you

[deft stump]

I never use them. You know my builds. My arby runs cdr, toughness, stam regen.

[deft stump]

RIP.

[tulip kettle]

i think you would have noticed even 5% more tough over the course of the game

[marble crater]

Why would I know your builds

[gray juniper]

Man I die to gunner all the time still. One thoughtless move and pushed too hard or overlooked and area to be pulverized from long distance

[tulip kettle]

not to mention CDR and corruption resistance

[gray juniper]

Gunner stun lock is brutal

[tulip kettle]

yup

[deft stump]

You cringed at my psyker before.

[tulip kettle]

and in those situations

50% total gunner resist wont sve you

so its pointless

[gray juniper]

It sure doesn’t seem like it because I tried 😭

[tulip kettle]

i truly believe psyker is lucky becaue we dont need stam regen anywhere

so you can afford +tough and hp and cdr and corruption resist everywhere

[gray juniper]

This is like when I first played auric and thought “these didn’t do shit!” And I had three gunners resistance curios lol

[tulip kettle]

now

if there was resistance to crushers

i would stack 3

[gray juniper]

I think I’m dodging at the wrong time?

[deft stump]

Well, 50% of 400 damage still means ded.

[random thunder]

How do I get better at psyker I am lacking in mechanics

[tulip kettle]

nah you can survive it with 3 toughness curios with all + tough and hp and crusher resist i think

[marble crater]

Yeah, because you posted them here, that's the only reason I know them, you gremlin

[tulip kettle]

with crushers dodge as late as possible

[random thunder]

Struggling to dodge slide

[gray juniper]

Like I dodge and they have their swing at the top but starting to move down. I dodge and the enemy figure rotates with my dodge

[deft stump]

And my vet builds are like everywhere.

[tulip kettle]

and always dodge sideways instead of backwards if you can

if you dodge early and backwards they just step forward mid swing an crush you

[deft stump]

If you have lag, gotta dodge before the hammer reaches a point of going down.

[marble crater]

Dodge, press crouch. Congratz

[deft stump]

Or you die on 300-400 ping.

[gray juniper]

Yea rear dodge just ends up dead I figured that one out from… life experience

[deft stump]

It only works on knoife.

Cos it flings you far enough.

Assuming you get the full dodge distance.

[gray juniper]

Thanks for knife tip btw

[deft stump]

Eh?

Which?

[tulip kettle]

it also works on DS with 80 mobility, you can dodge backwards from crushers no problem

but its not a good habit to get into

[gray juniper]

When we were talking and you were telling me how the work and which one to use

[upper sun]

AAAAA enough with the I-E maelstroms PLEASE

[deft stump]

Ah, you tried mk3 zealot already?

[gray juniper]

No but that’s my plan

[tulip kettle]

you dont like being blessed by the grandfather?

[left crypt]

so are there diminishing returns on combat ability regen? 4+4+4 ?

[upper sun]

i dont mind if there was other stuff happening

[tulip kettle]

you missed melee only an hour or so ago

[upper sun]

😭

ofc

[deft stump]

Oh. I know it works, I just don't have the physical skill to make use of it.

[sullen rapids]

still close enough for mmt

[tulip kettle]

no you get 12% cdr

[gray juniper]

My leveling zealot has terrible weapons and I’m just following the skeleton of the recommended tree as I level instead of picking up more useful nodes for the time being. He’s a little handicapped right now, so some fast and effective weapons help too

[tulip kettle]

well

30 sec cd goes to 26

[gray juniper]

And omg you want this

[deft stump]

I will still say this, mk6 is generally better but if you can really click heads, mk3 can do much.

[tulip kettle]

with seers presence and 3 CDR curios venting has 22.5 sec cd

then add warp charges and you start getting silly levels of spam

[marble crater]

Kill enough while having psy aura and you have no cooldown at all

[tulip kettle]

indeed

so yes, cdr is really very good on curios, simply because most of the choices are so bad, and one of the good ones isnt needed for psyker

[gray juniper]

Are there a sizable amount of people who complete top level havocs without the bubble?

[tulip kettle]

No. it can be done

[marble crater]

Probably not sizable

[tulip kettle]

but its not the sort of thing you just do

you need to be ungodly good at the game or have a very well coordinated team

[gray juniper]

Disregard if it takes all that

[tulip kettle]

like i said before

[gray juniper]

When im better i dont think id be ungodly good still

[tulip kettle]

in pubs, high level havok psyker is just one build

with minor tweaks for preference

[random thunder]

I'm trying to play mortis trial but why is that sefoni moaning in my ears nonstop

[tulip kettle]

you WILL be running inferno staff, and you WILL be running bubble

[marble crater]

It's what we asked for

[gray juniper]

What’s rough about it is when karien and me played last night I played an inferno bubble build for practice. It felt like I couldn’t move/position how I wanted to outside of bubble time. No long range answers to anything. Then I took assail and it was fixed

[tulip kettle]

your BB is for long range

but honestly in havok you cant bring assail

it doesnt do enough damage to kill anything

[marble crater]

Got infected by Karien's ping, damn

[tulip kettle]

you deal with long range guys by following the correct route through the level and getting close to them

[gray juniper]

I hate the distance cap on brain burst

[tulip kettle]

and theres a few rooms which are just AIDS

what

[gray juniper]

Like once a sniper is so far away you can’t activate it on him

[tulip kettle]

BB relaibly targets at 60m

which is like, longer than you would ever need it

[sullen rapids]

i think there’s only a few places that would actually be that big where that’s an issue

[tulip kettle]

but apart from the few AIDS rooms which you just have to clear with bubble and BB and yolo pushing

[sullen rapids]

i can only name the final rooms of consignment yard and smelter reboot as places but there’s probably a few more

[tulip kettle]

its always "follow the route that keeps you indoors and covered"

[gray juniper]

I’m not sure how that registers in game but after pinging distance seems to register eyeballed distance according to real life

60m isn’t enough on some maps

[tulip kettle]

it really is

there is that one room at the start of sand level

which is 70m but has a hump in the middle

and is notoriously bad

[sullen rapids]

there’s like 5 of those

[tulip kettle]

but pretty much nowehere else is it going to be a problem

[gray juniper]

A fair argument. For some reason it’s been make or break in a few games. The long open area in magestrati, the long cross sections in ascension riser etc

[strong gulch]

I was repeatedly woken up by cats, but I just spawned into discord. No coffee. I even forgot my glasses.

[tulip kettle]

because you should be following the route that goes into the side rooms

like always

prime example is when you cross all the way across the bridge then turn left into the area with the medicae

[strong gulch]

Hello! did you question get answered?

[tulip kettle]

dont go down the road there, go through the tunnels on your right

etc etc

[marble crater]

Hi

[strong gulch]

Hi

[gray juniper]

I know what you’re talking about. That area can be rough but if you get the team to agree to stay on the back side instead of the front side the problem goes away

[sullen rapids]

like the church pew drop down area or do you mean the split bridge where the sword twin shows up

[gray juniper]

Yes you have a point. I’m thinking this; instead of worrying about the distance enemy I should focus on the close targets others are working on and tell them to shift over to handle the long range issue

[tulip kettle]

that is generally true

your main thing is flaming everything that comes at you

you should just be moving as a group from bubble to bubble and funneling everything

for you to burn it all down with flamer

[gray juniper]

Maybe the split bridge. I’m not actually 100% which map but there’s a map where you’re forced across an open area mid game and you can’t cross over to where the snipers spawn, they just spawn there and you have to handle it long range

[tulip kettle]

ogryn will be stood in front knocking everything down

zealot will be grabbing all the stragglers and using book

vet is shooting everything that needs shooting

[sullen rapids]

oh yea i know that area lol, it sucks real bad

[gray juniper]

I’m thinking it’s one of the chasm levels but I’m not really sure

[tulip kettle]

in those situations

if you cant lock the sniper with BB

you couldnt hit it with anything

[sullen rapids]

nah you can hit it with guns most of the time

[gray juniper]

I think I’m going to do the unthinkable and start miccing up in pubs

[tulip kettle]

you cant run guns on havoc in psyker

[marble crater]

Oh god

[sullen rapids]

sorry i thought you meant like “if bb won’t lock it can’t be hit with anything” not “as a psyker if bb won’t lock you can’t do anything about it”

[gray juniper]

“Hey guys can you..?”
“Shut the fuck up!”

[tulip kettle]

yeah np i meant the latter

[strong gulch]

plenty people do. I can't unless I'm getting carried.

[marble crater]

The 't' in 'pub' is for 'talking'

[tulip kettle]

you just cant in pub games

maybe if youre stacking with guys from here

but the ammo economy wont support it

[strong gulch]

again not true

it's a skill issue

[tulip kettle]

its

a

[strong gulch]

trust. I have it

[tulip kettle]

pub

game

[strong gulch]

yeah

people do guns and melee in havoc pubs

[tulip kettle]

you cannot rely on everyone playing correctly and distributing ammo correctly and using it correctly

yes and those people lose their runs or are one of the 0.0001%

[gray juniper]

To what level? A consensus on using bubble has been discussed even today

[plucky flax]

I saw some weirdo running bubble knight melee gun psyker in random pub games.

[tulip kettle]

where they an unsanctioned psyker?

[strong gulch]

Of course VB or inferno bubble is meta. That doesn't mean people in H40 aren't playing other things.

[tulip kettle]

and did they pass their havoc 40 with 3 randoms

[gray juniper]

Yea they sound like a renegade psyker

[strong gulch]

Especially in H40.

[tulip kettle]

and was there another psyker running inferno

[marble crater]

What a weirdo

[plucky flax]

There wasn't an inferno psyker oddly enough.

[gray juniper]

Idk it’s killing me in the 20s but they have something figured out I don’t

[tulip kettle]

but guilty on all other charges

[strong gulch]

I don't rec it if you don't typically play gunker. Also the 30s are kinda rough and have more to lose, so I rec meta there.

[upper sun]

AAAAAA

i didnt realize i had an extra bullet 😭

[plucky flax]

It was with 3 randoms

[gray juniper]

But wasn’t that the correct dodge time?

[plucky flax]

Guilty at being unsanctioned tho i called the black ship

[marble crater]

The classic 3 trapper stack

[upper sun]

i legit dont know maybe me maybe the servers

prolly me who knows