psyker-class

[jovial juniper]

It's fortunes of war

With rogue like aspects

Although not the best rogue like you'll ever play

Lol

You can access it through the Psykhanium

Just talk to Sefoni

Or access a terminal around the mission board terminal

[long vessel]

Is it possible to change my loadout in the mission ready screen?

[potent echo]

Yes

Press esc or equivalent

[strong gulch]

yeah. There is a button on the bottom right

[vestal trench]

does the game have issues launching on updates if u have mods installed? or does it play with mods smoothly?

[mighty cipher]

I keep forgetting that I have a literally statistically impossible weapon

[strong gulch]

good old rounding error

[strong gulch]

Apologies, but I don't quite understand what you're asking.

If you mean is there something that you have to do after the game updates in regards to mods, yes. You have to patch them again. By updating the game or validating the game files, the patch for the mods is removed.

[vestal trench]

yeah more or less what i asked

doesn't sound as bad if it's just reapplying mods after an update ig

compared to cyberpunk where the game refuses to start lol

[sullen rapids]

i mean depending on the update some mods might break (all my old versions of mods from before the crafting update didn’t work when i reinstalled recently) but just disable them if they break and update as they get fixed

[long vessel]

So I’ve been fooling around with a bubble/ left keystone build tonight and I’m just not getting it

I have a void strike and void blast variation

VS is supposed to be a soul fire build but I’m not causing any

[jovial juniper]

VoidSTRIKE

????

As soul blaze

Not a good choice really

If you're putting Blazing Spirit on a VoidSTRIKE

You won't have a good time

[sullen rapids]

plasma staff flame build 👎

[jovial juniper]

You're more likely to kill your target with the bowling ball

[sullen rapids]

i can maybe see the vision if you have like a bspirit sword and just have the plasma as a backup

[random thunder]

is that good for electro staff rmb?

[long vessel]

Sorry I’m typing this inbetween deaths

[sullen rapids]

LOL

[long vessel]

Admittedly I have no idea what I’m doing with these builds lol

[sullen rapids]

understandable

[random thunder]

do you have the soul blaze blessing on the staff ?

[long vessel]

Part of my problem is o can’t find any builds on YT that are more than like 8 months recent

I have a decent electro staff shriek build but I want to start using bubble

While still being able to contribute to dmg and not axed in the back of my head every time I shoot my space magic

[sullen rapids]

if you like bowling ball staff probably don’t try to do fire stuff with it unless you have a blazing spirit sword too

if you like the fire more than you could try the flame staff

[long vessel]

I’m not married to it but I did like fireball sienna in VT2. My fave is by far electro staff, but I’m not sure that’s worth running with bubble?

I’m split between VS and VB, but I get my ass kicked with either

[sullen rapids]

last i was aware lightning staff was the worst of them but definitely could work

both vs and trauma are both good but i think trauma is better like numbers-wise

don’t quote me on that tho i’m not that sure of it

[long vessel]

I’m trying to wrap my head around these talents: warp siphon is the staff keystone, EP is for blitzes (smite basically), and disrupt destiny is for gun psyker?

[sullen rapids]

ep is for brainblast and assail

[strong gulch]

Staff builds in the 2nd pin.

VoidBLAST (VB) is the staff that's good with blazing spirit.

VoidSTRIKE (VS) is not good with blazing spirit.

[long vessel]

So I should take the soulblaze talents if I’m using VB?

[mental grail]

https://tenor.com/view/ai-sponge-moderators-ai-sponge-moderators-gif-2782168709508773407

[long vessel]

Should I give up warp rider for soul drinker?

[strong gulch]

If you are playing staff, they is likely a left side talent tree and those basically always take SB (souldblaze) talents. The exception is if you are doing bubble and cant choose to take creeping flames. Also varies on if you should take In Fire Reborn vs Psychic Vampire.

The only SB talent that is avoided is souldrinker (not to be confused with soulstealer).

[strong gulch]

no

[long vessel]

I gave up perfect timing and kept both

[strong gulch]

Don't give up perfect timing. That leaving damage on the table

[hearty wolf]

I'm perfect timing

[strong gulch]

more info in pins but this is a fire VB build

[paper harbor]

@strong gulch if I play psylot with fgs would I use Warp Charge or DD?

[strong gulch]

DD

[long vessel]

Thank you 🙂

[paper harbor]

I feel DD is out of reach, psyker isn’t fast as zealot.

Althrough if the marked target die by someone else, does it give benefit it or missed the target?

[long vessel]

Why no warp battery?

[strong gulch]

DD is the answer. It buffs your sword, gun, and assail a lot. Psyker is faster that zealot for short bursts. Emphasis on short.

[strong gulch]

Not needed with SG (scrier's gaze).

[paper harbor]

Casting gaze is quite short for movement boost yeah

[strong gulch]

DD + mettle also give movement boost

[paper harbor]

Score crit near enemy for 5s speed boost

[sullen rapids]

also aren’t most of the dd targets small enough that you can right click assail and kill them

[paper harbor]

DD mark all kind target (exclude low tier trash melee mob) but target is too far to reach get benefit since I run

Purely fgs

A wannabe zealot

[long vessel]

Sorry I meant for warp siphon. Some of the pinned staff builds take warp siphon but not warp battery

[strong gulch]

Depending on enemy density and psyk's aura procs, warp battery is often overkill and not doing anything. If you are getting your ability back before you have 5 or 6 warp charges, then warp battery is just a point tax and doesn't do anything.

[strong gulch]

the most part

[long vessel]

Ok that makes sense

[modest perch]

is souldrinker ever worth taking ? im trying this weird build and far as i can tell its almost never active

[nocturne dust]

no

[strong gulch]

Stacks refresh if you hit or stagger a DD target. You can also manipulate the DD targeting by looking away from the current towards a better one for about 5s.

[paper harbor]

Execution order from arbite only mark elite enemy is were less tedious find marked enemy.

Cousin of DD

DD use with ranged attack are like easier get stack fast than walk to target

[strong gulch]

I do wish there were more active DD targets tho. Perfectionism lovers would be so excited.

[paper harbor]

I go pure melee I lose stack steadily

[strong gulch]

If you don't want to take DD, then don't.

DD is still the best for melee.

[sturdy reef]

I wish it worked closer to execution order

[sullen rapids]

even just like 2-3 would be such a massive improvement

[strong gulch]

real

[sullen rapids]

you might not need to move at mach fuck to keep up with 30 stacks

it’d be like an actual choice of slightly better bonus for a little babysit vs infinite uptime (nearly)

[gray juniper]

@deft stump I’m coming back the game crashed

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-men-crash-test-dummies-gif-11833889

[deft stump]

Clutched to 999/1000 melee scab kill. I hate this game.

[vast yew]

https://tenor.com/view/smg4-smg4skill-issue-skill-issue-smg4mario-smg4skill-gif-26104493

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-skill-tissue-gif-22242558

[vast yew]

@deft stump @gray juniper Out of memory crash

[vestal trench]

mustered up the courage to try havoc again, idk how yall do this shit back to back LMAO

i took so much dmg ;^;

[plucky flax]

Maybe buff it like eo from arby. Multiple marks

[strong gulch]

Ye. That's what I was thinking. Something similar.

Even just 2 targets would be nice.

[vestal trench]

also my scoreboard mod doesn't look as clean as the ones i see here, is there a tweak to it or somethin?

[oak echo]

Isn't that basically just the basic scoreboard?

[strong gulch]

There a few plugins for it. Ovenproof being the main one and the plugin that updates ovenproof.

There are also simple ones that make it more like vermintide or and some like barrels ignited.

Here's the main ones. The patch is supposedt to override the first one.
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/241
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/514

[oak echo]

I remember using Ovenproof's. But then it covered my whole screen so I went back to the original scoreboard mod

[plucky flax]

Eo is so op because it's just wall hack

[verbal thistle]

You mean something like this?

[plucky flax]

It marks so many specials and they last forever

[verbal thistle]

Yup

[vestal trench]

gotcha, ty!

[verbal thistle]

Only thing you need is LoS

Thank hamdolsun for that keystone

[plucky flax]

Based free cheat.

[vestal trench]

all my mods seem to work except enhanced descriptions

[blissful solar]

that one hasn't updated yet I think

[verbal thistle]

Been working fine for me

What's wrong with it?

Haven't been updated for arbys

But ogryn tree has been updated

[vestal trench]

just doesnt show up

i only installed mods tn so i may have done something wrong lol

[verbal thistle]

Update and make sure you have the English localisation as well

Or whatever language

[plucky flax]

Also anyone else have a crazy amount of error 2001/2014?

[verbal thistle]

Yup

They are doing something to the servers recently

Today and yesterday

[plucky flax]

Im dcing every game last night.

[verbal thistle]

Constant DCs

[plucky flax]

Its just so annoying and unplayable

[verbal thistle]

Yup..

I went to go play solo havoc 40

Cause I couldn't stand online modes

[plucky flax]

I come back to waiting to be rescue and ppl were like 'nice alt f4'

Just stopped playing and went to bed

[verbal thistle]

F

It's like that sometimes

I got a clip

One sec

From a friend

[deft stump]

--lua-heap-mb-size 2048

[verbal thistle]

Mid havoc 40 clutch

[plucky flax]

I think the server is too sensitive

[vast yew]

which file do I add this to?

[plucky flax]

Since im on WiFi if some slight disturbance happen it just becomes error

[uneven nexus]

There's a build I'm looking for, that being said, from my understanding, it seems that amongst the DT community, it is rather controversial as there appears to be a sizable portion of said community that doesn't like the skill the build is built around, to put it simply, could anyone direct me to a good Smite build please?

One that I can (hopefully) take into the endgame of DT, such as it is

[prime elk]

a good smite build does not exist

because smite, by definition, cannot be good

[marble crater]

Don't tell anyone I gave you this

[uneven nexus]

Thank you kindly

[prime elk]

https://tenor.com/view/choking-gif-18241023091515446173

should prob take battle meditation too

[marble crater]

It's not too late, they might not turn into a smyker

[uneven nexus]

I've been one since the game came out, I've just drifted in and out of DT

So that ship sailed a loooong time ago

[vestal trench]

it was the localization, thanks!

[plucky flax]

Take bm if youre going smite spam

[uneven nexus]

Bm?

[marble crater]

[uneven nexus]

Brutal momentum?

[marble crater]

Battle Meditation

[uneven nexus]

Well it's better than battle magic at least, as I've already got that

[marble crater]

@plucky flax tried my first h40 in the new havoc yesterday and we won, are you proud?

[plucky flax]

Nah probably easy modifier

[marble crater]

It was red and orange

[uneven nexus]

Jokes aside, duly noted

[plucky flax]

It is okay. Hardest is like ritual with pugs or purple red.

[uneven nexus]

If I do take BM, what would I swap out for it here?

[marble crater]

We had purple red after that, didn't go so well

[marble crater]

Soulstealer or Quietude I guess

Well, soulstealer

[uneven nexus]

Any weapon reccomendations? Cause I won't be using JUST Smite

[prime elk]

Dueling sword and Infernus staff to be the ultimate smyker

[uneven nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-gif-13250124

I'll take your word for it

[marble crater]

[marble crater]

Typically people would pair it with Elektro staff and depending on how much you use that compared to smite it might be great to use the left keystone instead of the middle one, illisi for melee, probably

Basically you could play a normal build and sometimes use smite

[uneven nexus]

Tbf, that's basically how I use Smite anyways, it's either my "oh sh!t" button or for when I'm feeling like Palpatine...oh and also when my teammates are getting swarmed

Fun though it may be, I can't imagine using it every five seconds against any filthy heretic that crosses my path

[marble crater]

Then try something more like this maybe

[uneven nexus]

Do I take BM with this or no?

[worthy wasp]

🤮

[marble crater]

No

[worthy wasp]

Smite belongs in trash can

[uneven nexus]

Fair enough

[uneven nexus]

Spoken like a Fenrisian

[marble crater]

You will have enough shrieks to quell peril

[worthy wasp]

Low key hoping smykers all switch over to Lone Wolf Arbites and start actually contributing to the fights while CCing stuff with shock

[marble crater]

And the best thing is, after you don't use smite anymore you can use this same build and just switch smite for brain burst with kinetic flayer

[uneven nexus]

Lone wolf Arbites?

https://tenor.com/view/space-marine-you-speak-heresy-warhammer-40k-what-did-you-say-don't-say-that-gif-3570587536222968742

[worthy wasp]

No dog, extra nades. Lets you use shock mines consistently throughout match.

Basically imagine smyker, but you actually help team do damage

[uneven nexus]

An Arbites without his murder pooch is devoid of the Emperor's light or mercy

[sturdy reef]

imagine shock mines

[worthy wasp]

Agree, but smyker is doodoo. Feel like Will Ferrell in Step Brothers being forced to lick the white dog doo when I get placed in a match with a smyker

[uneven nexus]

This is either a Fenrisian sleeper agent or a Black Templar

[worthy wasp]

Here I am, enjoying the game. Then screen is littered with purple garbage and enemies are dying slower

[uneven nexus]

If they're dying slower, you aren't killing fast enough

[worthy wasp]

Tell that to the Zealot that cant activate duelist because there are no attacks to dodge

Enemies clumping up and charging you is good, more enemies to cleave

Scared? L2dodge

Slide

Push

Play the game

Stop spreading purple garbage

[uneven nexus]

Malcador was a Smite user

😂

[jovial juniper]

And use a worse smite

No thx

[worthy wasp]

No smite at all would be preferable

[jovial juniper]

Then FS went and gave a worse version of it to Arbys

[uneven nexus]

Tbh, I wish we had more interesting powers than "super headache", "unlimited power" and "let me consult the crystals"

Imagine if we could make singularities that explode, like the void staff (kind of)

Sadly there's no opportunity for a "pet build" ala Sienna as the only "pets" we could summon would have our allies/handlers see us shot, if said "pets" didn't immediately try and kill us first

[oak echo]

Inferno staff perks and blessings?

[jovial juniper]

Flak + Maniacs/Unyielding/CRIT chance

Blaze Away Warp Nexus

[vestal trench]

if im understanding correctly, the issue with using smite later difficulties is cause in havoc, all enemies are that much tankier that smite genuinely makes things have a higher ttk than compared to the regular missions, right?

like hitting stunned things works well enough for auric below, but im guessing in havoc things wouldve gotten over with much quicker if the interactive/dodge talents were actually available to be buffed from? especially with the psyker peril changes in havoc making it not as sustainable to just spam something like smite?

[sturdy reef]

there are plenty ways to CC already that dont involve stallinmg waves

havok has far less forgiving wave timers

smiting is a bad idea since it slows down the wave, you want to kill the wave before the next

[vestal trench]

i figured

[sturdy reef]

and final toll invalidates smite anyway

[vestal trench]

reading all the powercreep discourse in the wake of arbites (and ogryn) along with reddit being so "smite good actually" doesnt have me optimistic for the balancing direction 💀

[sturdy reef]

arbites is fine

[vestal trench]

everything will be powercrept to appease the reviewbomb gods

[sturdy reef]

they dont do anything extraordinary

they are just good

except boss dps ig

[vestal trench]

they do everything a little too free survivability-wise imo

[sturdy reef]

they dont have the DR unless they go castigators

[vestal trench]

but idk, i feel i'd need to see veteran/zealot tree reworks to see

[sturdy reef]

its the same as psyker

they just have better toughness

[vestal trench]

and toughness gen + stagger

[sturdy reef]

stagger is right side

[vestal trench]

yea?

[sturdy reef]

you could say EO needs a tune down, probably with its abundance of target selection

and TW needs a buff

thats about it so far

[vestal trench]

like idk the most struggleless leveling experiences for me were arbites and ogryn

[sturdy reef]

because dog

[vestal trench]

i'd be willing to hold judgment and be satisfied if they just got rid of dogsplosion bleed

[sturdy reef]

that puncture bug?

I dont see too many peole abuse it

its only on the bolt pistol anyhow

[vestal trench]

ive seen enough

[sturdy reef]

psyker can do a much better version of it lol

[vestal trench]

im sure my negative perception's also magnified by the fact that i play psyker and keep having to play catch up because they can run through chip damage i cant afford to

[jovial juniper]

Another Psyker w

[sturdy reef]

thats psykers class identity

[vestal trench]

and every single toxic player i've run into since playing again has been arbites

[sturdy reef]

u die to a change in the direction of the wind

and you also fart out damage

[vestal trench]

yea, they dont seem to be mindful of that tho

great survivability, autotarget specials, really good weapons

it might not be ogryn op but def ahead of the pack

i think the ogryn's the only one thats actually on a level of egregious, probably

[sturdy reef]

no, ogryn op

[vestal trench]

i said arbites might not be ogryn level op

[sturdy reef]

oh

[vestal trench]

and that ogryn's the only egregious one

i think i just rag on arbites and their players specifically bc kerillian syndrome

[sturdy reef]

zealot will likely be better than arbites come tree overhaul

[jovial juniper]

They already are better

[sturdy reef]

ehhh

[vestal trench]

like if i were really to be srs abt it i'd just be like

[jovial juniper]

Don't eh me

[sturdy reef]

they really arent

[jovial juniper]

Arbitrator (human) is very mid

[vestal trench]

get rid of ogrynheimer and dogsplosion puncture bug and it'd probably be fine

[jovial juniper]

You pay 12 bucks for the dog

So far I've seen no real melee burst from Arby's

They have to shoot a lot

[sturdy reef]

wat

[vestal trench]

fr? that arby shock maul's p good

[sturdy reef]

melee arbites does a lot

even without single maul

[jovial juniper]

Yeah
3 hits crushers

Instead of

1

💀

Like you know

Ogryn

Psyker

Vet

[vestal trench]

wait who tf 1 hits them outside of fotf zeal

[jovial juniper]

Zealot

[vestal trench]

psyker 1 hits crushers???

vet???

ogryn i can see with pickaxe

[jovial juniper]

Yup vet

[vestal trench]

vet ig with the plasma gun?

or are you talkin melee

[sturdy reef]

melee

[jovial juniper]

It isn't worth shooting crushers with plasma

[sturdy reef]

achlys p sword PA

[jovial juniper]

Takes like 4 shots

[vestal trench]

oh no wonder

i didnt get a decent p sword till i was almost done leveling lmao

[jovial juniper]

Also where's Arby's finesse scaling

[sturdy reef]

they really dont need it

that'd be too much

[vestal trench]

yknow how foot knight was survivable af despite not having the above avg damage

arby feels like merc + foot knight

ogryn meanwhile is on a class of its own

[jovial juniper]

Yeah too much stagger
When you could just kill

Because death is the best stagger

I just think that's my main problem with Arbys

Too stagger focused

But somehow the smite psyker takes flak

[vestal trench]

dont they stack a bunch of damage on those same staggered enemies though? like when i was trying it out the horde clear did not feel bad as what youd expect from a stagger tank

[jovial juniper]

[vestal trench]

like foot knight

or yea ig smyker

[jovial juniper]

That's the problem

You can just get another class

Run up to the not staggered enemy

[vestal trench]

i cant say shit about smyker damage tho

[jovial juniper]

And kill it

[vestal trench]

never tried it

[jovial juniper]

Too stagger focused
Too conditional

[vestal trench]

does the arby stagger really make it that much slower? i deadass didnt notice

[jovial juniper]

The DR is ok

The dog is probably the best part

[vestal trench]

especially with that one node that makes weakspot hits count as staggers

[sturdy reef]

you make it sound like it takes forever to kill something

[vestal trench]

maybe i need to bring him to higher difficulties or something bc i fr didnt feel like it lagged that much behind oggy and zealot on horde clear

[sturdy reef]

he has good horde clear

more cleave than zealot/vet

[vestal trench]

like only reason i cant think of running zealot over it is boss killing

[sturdy reef]

more consistent AS buffs as well, unless you go fotf

[vestal trench]

if i wanna shred hordes/elites/whatever though i dont see the point of picking zeal/vet over arbites

[sturdy reef]

arbites has great boss dps

[vestal trench]

unless i miss the unique weapons

i hear veteran's helbore's great now

[sturdy reef]

and shroud is a boss killing 1 trick

you would run fotf

[vestal trench]

yea fotf thunder hammer's funni

[jovial juniper]

Definitely feels like it

[sturdy reef]

arbites can run EO and a agrip combat shotty or mk8 exam shotty and consistently do the highest boss dps without sacrificing the rest of your build

[jovial juniper]

Can't even run into a patrol that they deploy every type of stagger

It screws over dodge buffs

[vestal trench]

my shitty trauma staff aim genuinely feels more detrimental than arbites staggers on my team jasdklfjasklfdj

[sturdy reef]

lol

there are more enemies than just what the arbites is focusing on

[vestal trench]

it's not like smite with no damage like they kill em p fast

[vestal trench]

rng gods not giving me a single good shotty during the entire leveling process was evil 😭

agree tho, wish they buff terminus

[sturdy reef]

ya buff terminus, minute nerf on EO

class will be solid

and that entire middle keystone tree tbh

has 1 decent node, 1 good node

[jovial juniper]

Man I really don't want to feel like the guy raining on other people's parade

[vestal trench]

i feel like both oggy nad arbites have this thing of having really good damage for their survivability

[jovial juniper]

So I guess I'm going to sleep

See y'all later I guess

[vestal trench]

but i cant completely say that confidently bc of the state of zealot and vet 😩

[sturdy reef]

vet and zealot are fine

just need a tree update

[vestal trench]

yea das what i mean, if they were fleshed out to have some of the diversity the newer trees had i'd probs have a more tempered opinion

i am however scared of them buffing psyker at all cause it'd probs get gutted to a place below where it is now shortly after

feels like they got the glass cannon balance just right rn

[pine oyster]

Does Malefic momentum apply to soul-flame?

[hearty wolf]

I think it's time to wake up with a bit of the Tide

[strong gulch]

And here I was gonna go to bed. Maybe I stay up for a game

[marble crater]

Bed in two hours then

[hearty wolf]

You r?

[hearty wolf]

You too. I'm in my revenge arc

[marble crater]

Too early for me, I'm not even fully awake

[hearty wolf]

Same

Like my vision is blurry

But sometimes it helps

[strong gulch]

yeah let's go

[hearty wolf]

Sec

Dad needs e-help

Exd

[strong gulch]

yes

[hearty wolf]

https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1045852632687849602

[strong gulch]

kk

[hearty wolf]

havocers assemble

[marble crater]

Sin hates console players with these voice channels

[hearty wolf]

O

Oh shit man you gotta like

keep pressing down?

:(

i can go up to like 1 if it helps xd

[summer prairie]

got 4?

[marble crater]

It's fine, I'm not joining now

[hearty wolf]

noe just 2 atm

[pine oyster]

Did you update Discord integration on your console yet?

[ripe obsidian]

Godspeed, Havoc-Squad.

May you find only victory

[pine oyster]

Go with the grace of the God-emperor and put a bolt into heretic skulls!

[marble crater]

Not unless that happens automatically

[pine oyster]

You need to basically Re-link your account to Discord in order for you to get access to Voice Channels on console.

Least that's how it is on Xbox.

[marble crater]

Ah yeah, it's working perfectly, I just mean that I would have to scroll so far down to get to 100

[pine oyster]

Skill issue, pinch your index and thumb together and mash the D-pad with your fingertip!

[marble crater]

No

[pine oyster]

That or you can press "join on xbox" on your phone, requires xbox app downloaded tho.

If you got ps5, screwed.

Idk if D-tide IS on there yet.

[marble crater]

I will just keep scrolling the few times I actually have to

and then complain again

[pine oyster]

That is the most British thing I've ever heard.

[marble crater]

Close enough, I'm German

[pine oyster]

Fair.

What would be better for a soul flame build, BFGS or BFS?

[marble crater]

I like normal force swords better for staves, more mobility

If you don't care about that then both are fine, they don't have much to do with the actual soul blaze build, just there to cover what your staff doesn't

Unless you are talking about soul blaze on the sword itself, in which case the answer is neither

[pine oyster]

Meant more for when I have to pull out my sword to deal with enemies and elites that get too close.

[marble crater]

If you use Voidblast or Inferno -> Deimos or FGS
If you use Elektro or Voidstrike -> Illisi or FGS

[pine oyster]

Thank you.

[nova tendon]

oh yeah

[marble crater]

[glass laurel]

Hello psykerers

[marble crater]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-hi-hy-hey-gif-8520159980767013609

[summer prairie]

for @hearty wolf

[crude beacon]

any mods that i should get for Psyker?

[shut breach]

Did y'all know perilous combustion can set these guys on fire in perpetuity if you kill half of them at once?

[summer prairie]

same can't leave

[scenic quartz]

had a psyker in havoc recently asking if anyone felt psyker was weak now

meanwhile a friend of mine

[upper sun]

psyker very week pls buff

[timber parcel]

Wow how long was that match?

[summer prairie]

the high psyker numbers are always purple farming

[timber parcel]

Maybe I need to do that to break 3m lol

[upper sun]

i mean plenty of maps have infinite spawns at the end

[timber parcel]

I probably won’t farm like that

I will get bored

[upper sun]

everyone wants to have 50543 gajillion damage but no one wants to do what it takes 🚬

[summer prairie]

not intentional purple farming, but when everything has 16+ stacks of sb and being constantly healed

[strong gulch]

ggs

thanks for havoc

[hearty wolf]

we win more next time

I will locate the door o7

[strong gulch]

I will locate health lmao

finding stuff hard

[hearty wolf]

I mean it wasn't a bad run, just a mild throw at the end exd

Was a pretty fast hold W run for the most part

[upper sun]

did u win son?

[hearty wolf]

we won a few

[upper sun]

good enough

[marble crater]

Buff blaze Trauma

[strong gulch]

I ran out into the open and died. I lost my buddy and went to find em. Then I ate many bullets.

I forgor that I shouldn't run where the arby does.

[hearty wolf]

Gotta keep your bubble handy for chasing the Arby

[strong gulch]

[fossil quartz]

Coming back to the game

Anyone got a good force 1h sword build?

[marble crater]

There are good builds pinned that can be used with the sword

[scenic quartz]

41minutes he says

Dunno what ai director was smoking cause ogryn alone has an additional 2 mil damage

[summer prairie]

I checked one purple map session log, around 800k more damage dealt than the total enemy hp pool, a bit less farming than I expected if that's accurate. But can be much higher of course depending on what you rteam is running and how they are playing

[plucky flax]

Anyone else dcing constantly every game?

[summer prairie]

No

[plucky flax]

It's unplayable.

[summer prairie]

are you crashing or dcing

[plucky flax]

Both.

A lot of error 2014. Some ctds but less now after disabling servo fren.

[summer prairie]

but a bunch of active threads about disconnects on the tech support forum

[plucky flax]

It's way too much this weekend.

I'll just not play.

[hearty wolf]

I think I saw mention about verifying files

Or maybe you've got malware from all the mods xd

[summer prairie]

plenty of reports from people who just bought the game and don't have any mods

[plucky flax]

Maybe they stopped feeding the servers.

[stark nova]

Is assail the best for killing elites/specialists under the effect of empowered psionics?

[pine shore]

Depends

[stark nova]

Gonna explain why or just say depends?

[pine shore]

Depends on the difficulty mostly

[stark nova]

Auric

[marble crater]

Depends on what exactly you are asking, the best out of the blitzes with EP? Or best in terms of the keystone?

[pine shore]

And what kind of enemy are you targeting

Shotgunners? It melts them

Maulers? You're dead

[stark nova]

The best at getting it done the quickest

[pine shore]

You usually don't pick your blitz based on whether you want to kill elites/specialists or not

You pick it depending on which staff/weapon you want

[marble crater]

It's for sure faster than brain burst and faster than smite for smaller groups, smite can kill a lot of elites under the right circumstances

[pine shore]

You also lose access to psykinetic aura if you pick assail

[marble crater]

It's almost worth it, because EP Assail is fun

Personally I don't like EP, it only has value if you use your Blitz a lot, which I don't

[tepid wing]

I mostly use EP with BB for medium to heavies because everything else psyker has can take care of them... WS is great with shield and DD is also good with Assail IMO

[patent jacinth]

What

Psyker has the best carapace ttk in the game

[pine shore]

I thought it was ogryn

[patent jacinth]

Obscurus force sword with scriers beats it

Obscurus is actually nasty

[unique relic]

Why is the dialog for psykers so soy and goody2dhoes

[tepid wing]

Depends on what you're using but I agree
I love going into Maelstroms with no ammo/mostly Scabs with the Voidblast staff, it's great fun

[pine shore]

soyker

[unique relic]

Soyker is right

[patent jacinth]

Oh I missread

[paper harbor]

Psylot beloved

[patent jacinth]

Yeah it’s 4am alright

[paper harbor]

Is 6 here I didn’t sleep

[rigid sky]

I got like one build where EP brain rupture is actually a solid part of the mix

[tepid wing]

just breathe your sanctioned stimm air

[rigid sky]

but probably if I was better at staff LMB I wouldn't use it so much either lmao

[unique relic]

Get into the sanctuoned cuck shed psyker

[tepid wing]

Sefoni won't let me in

[strange hamlet]

when the rage bait dont work

[stark nova]

I forgot I had this

[strange hamlet]

aint she a beaut imo

[stark nova]

I’m levelling everything to max so my loadout is cooked right now

[zinc comet]

You want to dump warp resistance

[stark nova]

What does that even mean

[tepid wing]

maybe but in my experience that blaze force sword is best for trash

[marble crater]

You want warp resistance as the 60% stat

[zinc comet]

That

[stark nova]

How do I swap them

[patent jacinth]

And it’s not even good at it without special spam

[wispy bay]

Get a new sword

[marble crater]

You don't, need to buy one

[stark nova]

Effort

[zinc comet]

Technically you want warp resistance to be as low as possible, so sometimes you don’t event want tn upgrade the sword to max

[tepid wing]

true, unless you have the slaughterer blessing

[stark nova]

Why

[zinc comet]

Because being at high peril is good on psyker

[wispy bay]

Though, illisi with wr is alright because you can do one more 1-2 more special spam.

[tepid wing]

if i have to pull blaze force illisi against ragers and beyond i've already fucked up regardless

[wispy bay]

Illisi needs the special rub.

[deft stump]

Looks great, plays 1 point short in reality. One of those 80 is a 79 and the 61% will end a 60 in a real game.

[tulip kettle]

what psyker melee is actually good against ragers except FGS?

[patent jacinth]

Tac axe

[marble crater]

Voidblast staff

[patent jacinth]

It’s the designated rager bullying weapon

[tulip kettle]

melee

and how does taxe work vs them

[marble crater]

It is melee if you spam it at your feet

[tulip kettle]

yeah i have no problem with that

[patent jacinth]

Staggers them with heavies and push attacks

Which you spam relentlessly because they’re your best moves

[tulip kettle]

they are unstaggerable

[tepid wing]

Deimos Blaze Force Sword is really good against all mediums and heavies when you get the poke down

[patent jacinth]

That is just wrong

[tulip kettle]

im not asking like, in general, to be cler

[patent jacinth]

You can stagger them out of combos with tons of stuff

It’s just harder than normal

[tulip kettle]

im asking for specifically in havok 40 when they cant be staggered

[tepid wing]

well that's a harder answer hrm

[tulip kettle]

my experience with final toll has been

if a rager wave boxes me in

im likely juust dead

[hearty wolf]

Sounds like skill issue

[stark nova]

What

[pine oyster]

Block, shove and dodge

[crude beacon]

whats the best build for damnation+

[tepid wing]

i don't do high havoc because all my friends don't but great force sword does seem to be the only thing i see psykers use so i'm not sure

[tulip kettle]

yeah thats my experience

[tepid wing]

really depends on the modifiers and teammates

[tulip kettle]

run FGS to kill them before they get in rnge of you

[stark nova]

Ok

[tulip kettle]

or die

was hoping someone had ome secret tech or sth

[crude beacon]

well more so in general, all rounder

[tulip kettle]

bor

[deft stump]

That weapon actually is worse than a normal perfect due to round down on real servers. It's a bugged % weapon.

[crude beacon]

plug and play type of build

[tulip kettle]

if you arent playing havok

most things can work

[crude beacon]

i am not

[pine oyster]

Are critical timed in assail?

[tulip kettle]

if you want to have fun

i would suggest a voidblast staff

[crude beacon]

is that the strongest for non havoc?

[stark nova]

wtf

[tulip kettle]

with warp nexus, blazing spirit, +25% flak and +5% crit chance

its strong but also fun

[crude beacon]

whatever is the strongest thats what i am looking for haha

[tulip kettle]

which is important

[tepid wing]

the palpatine shield build never fails up to about mid-havoc IMO
if it's the no ammo, mostly scab modifier then voidblast and brain rupture
fire with BR and venting shriek also works in most situations as long as you have someone that can sit in front of you

your own skill is a huge factor though

[pine oyster]

It feels like i have to time the throw before I get a crit.

[crude beacon]

these are all pinned i think? sicne there is like 3-4 pinned builds

@tepid wing

[tepid wing]

possibly

[crude beacon]

EK staff (surge)

voidblast/trauma

inferno/purg

and voidstrike

these are the 4 pinned

[zinc comet]

Those are the 4 staves psyker has

And a build for each

[tulip kettle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f5157a3-890a-47c7-99e4-e8b5324436ca/non-havoc-build

[tepid wing]

darktide's definitely a game of trial and error

[tulip kettle]

this is just a basic fun powerful non havoc build

[tepid wing]

some builds are more versatile but others are more situational

[tulip kettle]

with plenty of room to change talents and experiment

[pine oyster]

How does assail crit percentage work?

[tulip kettle]

what do you mean

[tepid wing]

i think it works the same as the rest

[deft stump]

Yep. % are round up locally and in psykhanium but round down on real servers. So you have a 79.5% and a 60.5%.

[pine oyster]

When i want assail to crit,do I have to wait for the targeting thing to flash?

Is there a visual thing to see if it crits?

Or is about to crit?

[tepid wing]

ohhh like how lightning is purple when it crits

[marble crater]

Crit assails are a different color

[pine oyster]

Not that exactly.

[tulip kettle]

oh i see, i think the shard itself is brighter, but theres no way to tell before you throw the assail if it will be a crit

[patent jacinth]

Unless you have true aim stacked or something

[pine oyster]

Like when you aim, the effect of the enemies head flashes. Is that a guaranteed crit?

[tulip kettle]

no

and i think, but not sure, that assail cant proc true aim

[patent jacinth]

That’s just indicating the highlighted target

[tulip kettle]

i know it builds stacks but i thought it wouldnt deplete them

[patent jacinth]

It absolutely can

[pine oyster]

Ah, it's random.

[zinc comet]

The targeting or the crit

[tepid wing]

the game certainly isn't built around trying to get crits with assail
i mean, in my experience it's all "oh fuck delete this small mob" or "okay there's a gunnerover there aim, fire, i hope it kills"

[pine oyster]

The targeting flashes, does that indicate a crit?

[tepid wing]

i guess i never worried about it

[stark nova]

That’s more stupid than when primaris first came out and they couldn’t wear terminator armour

[zinc comet]

No

[pine oyster]

That sucks

[patent jacinth]

There is no way to predict crits besides 100% crit chance

[pine oyster]

Would have been a great skill ceiling for this otherwise lame ability.

[tulip kettle]

assail does indeed proc true aim, idk why i always thought it only built stacks but not depleted

[pine oyster]

What's that?

[deft stump]

I dunno, just FS coding.

[tulip kettle]

true aim is the talent that gives a guaranteed crit every 5

[pine oyster]

That exists for psyker?

[patent jacinth]

True aim stacks in melee btw

5 melee headshots is a confirm (ranged) crit

[pine oyster]

OH MY GOD.

[patent jacinth]

You can play discount weapon spec

[tulip kettle]

so again im not sure

[patent jacinth]

It’s a good node

[pine oyster]

THIS IS A NEW AGE FOR THE ASSAIL BUILD!!!

[patent jacinth]

Assail build is just EP and right side

[tulip kettle]

but it says ranged hits, which makes me think thats why i thought it didnt proc off assail, as assail is a blitz not ranged

but meh

[pine oyster]

Not bubble shield?

[patent jacinth]

Bubble is lame

[tulip kettle]

bubble is doodoo

[patent jacinth]

And honestly overkill

[pine oyster]

For assail, right?

[patent jacinth]

You only really need it in havoc and you can absolutely perform without

[tulip kettle]

bubble is just usually required for havoc to keep yourself alive

[tepid wing]

Assail was DD for me but only because I had it on my GunPsyker build

[tulip kettle]

otherwise its not needed

[merry meteor]

How does this skill work, do anybody know for sure? Do I have to be the one doing killing? Or if any anybody (including me) kills them while staying in my coherence it reduces ability CDs for all of us?

[pine oyster]

Assail is key to my gunpsyker build.

Fuck.

[tulip kettle]

i run assail with DD also, its fine

[patent jacinth]

Assail is just a good third weapon

[pine oyster]

To be fair, my only gun is a revolver.

[tulip kettle]

but generally people dont run assail so much in the hardest content because it just doesnt do enough, though really none of the psyker blitzes do much so you mainly see BB for KF

[tepid wing]

yeah assail doesn't kill stuff beyond ragers good or fast enough and even as psyker you have other options to deal with them

[pine oyster]

So, why run it in the first place?

[tulip kettle]

because in lower difficulty content its awesome

[pine oyster]

It sounds like Smite has better use.

[tulip kettle]

and on some builds its a good supplement to your horde clearing and to maintain peril

[patent jacinth]

Smite is boring as hell

[tepid wing]

Smite really depends on your team

[patent jacinth]

I would rather have an empty slot

[tepid wing]

and yeah it's boring even if it's strong

[tulip kettle]

smite is again, boring on lower difficulty and useless in higher difficulty

[pine oyster]

Then use it better.

[tulip kettle]

smite turns off all "on dodge effects" for you and your team

so people dont like it

[patent jacinth]

I’m not using it in the first place

[tepid wing]

running smite on a maelstrom with nurgle's blessing modifier

[tulip kettle]

and exactly this

[patent jacinth]

I would rather just have anything else

[tulip kettle]

on harder content the enemies are immune to CC so it does nothing

[marble crater]

You need to be the one killing, but everyone gets the cooldown reduction, if they are in coherency

[pine shore]

https://i.vgy.me/3cgAOq.png

[pine oyster]

By stunning?

[tulip kettle]

exactly

the enemies arent attacking so your team cant dodge them

[tepid wing]

this is why on high havocs you'll probably see people running voidblast or inferno staff and BR/shield more than smite and EK

[midnight jolt]

The smite penance is so fucking annoying

[tepid wing]

stun almost doesn't exist
knockdown sure still does

[midnight jolt]

I feel so fucking useless doing that shit

[tulip kettle]

so yes, we come to brainburst. which is also useless

but it has the KF node

[patent jacinth]

Just don’t do it

[tulip kettle]

which at least has some use

[patent jacinth]

I’m never going to

[tulip kettle]

so every high level psyker build just has BB for KF, or any blitz for tree purposes but wont really use it

[pine oyster]

I only really use Smite on groups of elite enemies like ogryns, on a horde about to corner me, on ranged enemies that I want to throw to the floor.

[merry meteor]

what is KF? 🙂

[tulip kettle]

kinetic flayer

[merry meteor]

ah

[tulip kettle]

one of the modifier nodes for brainburst

[pine oyster]

Terminology in pinned.

[tulip kettle]

smite is actually fine honestly, if you use it very sparingly

but people rely on it

[pine oyster]

That is exactly my point.

[tepid wing]

killing floor

[tulip kettle]

then they get on harder content, get into a room with 6 unstunnable crushers, and fold

[pine oyster]

Karl Franz.

[tepid wing]

https://tenor.com/view/vermintide-grail-knight-kruber-gif-5598768999825553829

[pine oyster]

So, past Heresy?

[tulip kettle]

nono

[tepid wing]

no auric+

or maelstrom modifier

[tulip kettle]

were talking havoc 30+ or auric with nurgles blessing

[tepid wing]

man fuck NB

[pine oyster]

I'm talking casual.

[tulip kettle]

you can run anything my dude

[tepid wing]

oh then you only have to worry about maelstrom

there's one maelstrom modifier that has NB

[tulip kettle]

below that level of content psyker is just hella fun and has great tools for every mission and modifier

run what you like

but consider the basic trifecta

between your melee, ranged, and blitz

[pine oyster]

I run Smite with my Soul-glame build to cope with hordes that get too close.

[tulip kettle]

you need a tool for hordes, ranged, and chunkies

[patent jacinth]

We have a thing for that, it’s called a sword

[marble crater]

Inferno, Smite and Illisi

[patent jacinth]

Or an axe

[tulip kettle]

so if you have chunkies and ranged covered with your melee and ranged, you could run smite with venting as a horde clear tool

or assail

[tepid wing]

again though it depends on your skill
imagine you're running casual and your entire team just belly-ups
you're smiting a horde
are you sure you can assess it and have the tools to get out past that?

smite is built to let your team do the killing

[pine oyster]

BFGS, deflector with KD, The 3 arbitrators in the lobby.

[tulip kettle]

ha

i like to know i have a tool in my belt to comfortably deal with any enemy

if im left solo clutching

in H40 if im solo on psyker the run is over

[tepid wing]

if that's my attitude on H40 as psyker i've already messed up

[pine oyster]

Idk, I get surrounded alot in this game because the 3 random arbitrators in my lobby don't gaf about me.

[tepid wing]

and i say that as someone that avoids H40 as psyker

[tulip kettle]

yes thats normal

[patent jacinth]

That’s a positioning and awareness issue

[tulip kettle]

you have to learn to get used to it and bring tools

[tepid wing]

lol true why would they? their dog always has their back

[pine oyster]

That's why Smite.

[tulip kettle]

which is fine my dude like i said 🙂

[patent jacinth]

Smite doesn’t kill anything

[tulip kettle]

smite does kill stuff

[tepid wing]

it actually took me until today to get the "block 250 unique enemies" penance because i could stand there blocking and my dog would knock enemies away

thanks, dog

[tulip kettle]

on lower difficulties where you use it

[pine oyster]

That's the point.

[patent jacinth]

After like 4 years yeah

[tulip kettle]

especially if you have EP

[pine oyster]

Breathing room

[tulip kettle]

others would use a different tool vegeta

[patent jacinth]

Just try tac axe

[tulip kettle]

maybe long dodges on a weapon

or a push on a force sword

[tepid wing]

this just in: smite killed a poxwalker, the emperor must be informed of this

[patent jacinth]

If your ranged can cover carapace or you have good crits then it’s a super safe and extremely fast clearing melee

[tepid wing]

yes smite does do damage and kill, but i usually use it for breathing room because it stuns/knocks away enemies so i can quell/run/get someone up

the killing potential is just... so low

[tulip kettle]

im just sayin, i do run some builds with smite + venting, with warp rider you do clear hordes pretty efficiently

[patent jacinth]

Soulblaze is doing all the work

[tulip kettle]

i would rather be dpoing what those builds are for, which is killing everything that isnt a horde

i dont disagree

[tepid wing]

laughs in daemonhost

[pine oyster]

This is my build that happens to have Smite.

[tulip kettle]

so

[pine oyster]

What range?

[tulip kettle]

i would never run smite

with inferno

[patent jacinth]

You have an inferno staff why do you need smite

[tulip kettle]

you are last alive in a room full of gunners

you die

and you can stagger on demand with inferno staff

these weapons want assail or BB

i would go for BB and bring KF

[pine oyster]

This is with KD

[tulip kettle]

you also clear hordes esceptionally well with both of those weapons

with those i would just, never touch smite at all

[patent jacinth]

They’re two of the best clearing things in the game

[pine oyster]

This is the case, but i too often get left behind by people ignoring my callouts that I'm looking for goodies.

[tulip kettle]

and at this point

[patent jacinth]

(Fgs leans on the special for it but still)

[tepid wing]

yeah smite is the CC
inferno is the crowd kill

[tulip kettle]

i hope you can tell from my tone and trying to help out

[tepid wing]

running both is odd

[tulip kettle]

but its just a skill issue

i dont mean that harshly

you just need to play more and get better

[pine oyster]

Very few here actually feel the same.

[zinc comet]

Running inferno without brain burst augment is an interesting choice

[tulip kettle]

yes but as we can see, he is very new to psyker and learning

[pine oyster]

What? No, i'm stuck on heresy.

[zinc comet]

The inferno staff

[paper harbor]

Vegeta play Darktide

[tulip kettle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f5157a3-890a-47c7-99e4-e8b5324436ca/non-havoc-build

[tepid wing]

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-in-the-rain-vegeta-rain-cloudy-dbz-gif-13994573155178415068

[tulip kettle]

i posted this

try to make this build and play with it

[zinc comet]

As others have pointed out you have taken a lot of things that fill the same role

[pine oyster]

Learning that half of the available options to play are underpowered and not worth it.

[tulip kettle]

you will learn a lot of stuff and have a build that works all the way to auric

[zinc comet]

You shouldn’t be so specialized, try and round out your build more

[patent jacinth]

Psyker is second best despite this

[tulip kettle]

psyker is the hardest class also. Just stick with

[pine oyster]

I made my build as a response to the several Arbites running around. So I could at least do something.

[tepid wing]

they said the same about sienna

[patent jacinth]

If you want to compete with them run melee psyker

You’re faster and do more damage

[tulip kettle]

nono

thats terrible advice

[patent jacinth]

It’s fun

[tepid wing]

OH BOY HERE I GO ACTIVATING SCRIER'S GAZE AGAIN

[tulip kettle]

its not wrong

but like, again, the guy is learning

[patent jacinth]

Trial by fire

[tulip kettle]

let him learn the psyker class and its mechanics and maybe more of the key macro concepts of the game

[patent jacinth]

It’ll be fine

[tepid wing]

true, but a lot of the learning is finding out what build works for what mission

[tulip kettle]

instead of trying to keep up with broken OP nonsense

[pine oyster]

Scriers gaze sounds like a noob trap, ngl.

I just wish I had Vermintide bounty hunter on here.

[tepid wing]

again, a catch-all for high havoc? i'm useless
but under that there's a lot of variety to work with

[patent jacinth]

Scriers gaze is the largest damage buff in the game

[tulip kettle]

scriers is great for some builds

but its very risky

[pine oyster]

Next to buying the arbites pass.

[tulip kettle]

those sorts of builds generally require a strong understanding of peril management

[patent jacinth]

Psyker handily outdamages arbitrator

[tulip kettle]

erm

thats barely true my dude

[pine oyster]

All 3 of them?

[tulip kettle]

some arb builds are just bonkers

and when theres more than 1

the dogs are just taking so much

[patent jacinth]

And psyker has DD and Gaze

[tepid wing]

veteran with focus target Allow me to introduce myself

[tulip kettle]

for now vegeta

i would focus on trying the staves and different swords

[patent jacinth]

Not combined, but separately yeah

[tulip kettle]

and experimenting with venting shriek builds with the fire node

[pine oyster]

That's good for clearing hordes at best, right?

[patent jacinth]

It’s very difficult to outdo an entire team combined

[tepid wing]

nooooo it's literally witch hunter's tag skill from VT2

[pine oyster]

Especially when they're all screaming about the lex.

[patent jacinth]

Just in general

[tepid wing]

i can tag an elite/special/monstrosity and have them get dealt up to 32% more damage

[patent jacinth]

It would mean you’re doing more than 50% of the total damage in a group of 4

[pine oyster]

That's... not what I meant.

I meant an ability like Bounty Hunter's quick draw.

[tepid wing]

oh i'm sorry you mean BH not WH

[tulip kettle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f5157a3-890a-47c7-99e4-e8b5324436ca/race-the-arbs

[patent jacinth]

Don’t give them agile

Or DS

[tulip kettle]

something like this would work in most missions and allow you to have a real impact in the game, and not be left behind

[patent jacinth]

Terrible for learning

[tulip kettle]

i gave agile and DS specifically because they are learning

[patent jacinth]

That’s a bad idea

Ruins dodge control

[tulip kettle]

i disagree

[tepid wing]

i don't think veteran has something like that; best he's got is executioner's stance maybe to outline ranged enemies for everyone because oh my god on high havoc they hurt

[patent jacinth]

Infinite dodges on the best dodge weapon in the game will ruin them when they have to play anything else

[tulip kettle]

it will allow them to feel they have the tool to escape a sticky situation

and then later they can learn to do it with only 5 dodges instead of infinite

[pine oyster]

Veteran's really boring tbh.

Lacks style.

[tepid wing]

veteran has his niche
until arbitrator

my god vet doesn't even have constant 1% ammo regen for people now...

[tulip kettle]

nah veteran still has its niche

and its niche is "FOR CADIA"

[charred anchor]

Are there diffrent variants of the staves? I’ve been using the same Purge staff basically since launch, just went back and leveled up the other classes and noticed guns and maybe melee weapons have diffrent marks/makes

[tulip kettle]

"FIGHT, OR ANSWER TO ME"

[pine oyster]

Shove, dodge, swipe twice, repeat.

[tulip kettle]

"FOR THE GUARD"

no

not at all

[marble crater]

No, just 1 mark for each of the 4 staves

[tulip kettle]

to that with DS you will die

[tepid wing]

the staves have no marks yeah

so no alternate fires/patterns to get used to

just individual metrics

[charred anchor]

Ok cool another thing I don’t have to worry about lol

[rigid sky]

Bear in mind that Equinox VoidBlast and Equinox VoidStrike are not variants, but are completely different weapons with different blessings etc

[pine oyster]

That weapon? Why would you use that?

[tepid wing]

listen, when i go scavenger vet on a maelstrom with no ammo and 3 arbites...
they're still going to spam "NEED AMMO" because no one reads the bloody modifiers/tabs when they quickplay

[tulip kettle]

DS is an extremely strong weapon

[zinc comet]

Some might say overpowered

[patent jacinth]

It’s the best human melee

[tulip kettle]

it kills the things that threaten you as psyker quickly

and has very good mobility

[patent jacinth]

It needs kneecapping yesterday

[tulip kettle]

you get 5, long dodges

NO

DISAGREE

DUELLING SWORD NEEDS REMOVING

from every class that isnt psyker

it was psyker specific and fine

they gave it all classes and everyone cries

[patent jacinth]

It was not

[rigid sky]

Tbh I wouldn't care if we lost it too

FGS, my beloved.

[tepid wing]

awww but i liked dueling sword on vet
before that i ran knife

i don't wanna go back to knife

[patent jacinth]

Psyker players are just worse at melee on average so it was overlooked

[tulip kettle]

my guy when we were the only ones with DS

[zinc comet]

Rules for thee not for me

[tulip kettle]

nobody was crying

because exactly

we needed it to be good

[rigid sky]

We also use DS probably better than the others

[tepid wing]

https://tenor.com/view/ponste43-gif-21180965

[rigid sky]

SG + DD is crazy on a Finesse weapon

[tulip kettle]

they should never have given it to the other classes

[patent jacinth]

It may be rude but it’s also a statistic

[rigid sky]

We don't need it any more though imo

[tulip kettle]

we still do

[tepid wing]

NO I'M A GOOD MELEE PLAYER I'M THE OUTLIER

[tulip kettle]

there is no weapon that does what DS does vs crusher blobs

[rigid sky]

FGS and Deimos mean I haven't touched my Duelling Sword in months

[pine oyster]

I prefer bfgs, good horde clearing, better charge attack damage.

It made me put DS down after having a bad time with it.

[patent jacinth]

Obscurus and Deimos

They actually do it better

[rigid sky]

And I heard Obscurus kills Crushers faster than any other weapon too

[tulip kettle]

nope

deimos is not better

and i say that as a deimos lover

[tepid wing]

deimos is my pointy stick

[patent jacinth]

It absolutely is and I can pull a source

[tulip kettle]

yes you can poke them on their butt

[tepid wing]

it's only for crushers and maulers

[tulip kettle]

but when theres 15 raged crushers, the attack rate on it is too low

[rigid sky]

Force swords also have the push attack which is an incredible utility

[tepid wing]

well that's why i use voidblast, silly

[pine oyster]

I let the arbies deal with the ogryns.

[tulip kettle]

voidblast wont help theyre immune to CC

i dont disagree though

[rigid sky]

Oversimplification tbh

It isn't the panacea some people say it os

[tulip kettle]

honestly, apologies, i lean very heavily into caring about nurgles blessing and final toll

i feel like when those modifiers arent on, the answer is ALWAYS stagger/cc things

like, duh

[tepid wing]

wait i don't think they are... are they? because the CC like smite is definitely gone but i thought the knockdown from impact and stuff still worked which is what voidblast has

[patent jacinth]

The game isn’t balanced around havoc

[pine oyster]

Voidstrike is infinitely more gratifying IMO.

[tulip kettle]

yeah i know but the content below is too easy

[tepid wing]

are you using Surge?

[patent jacinth]

Play it with silly builds then

[pine oyster]

I can't play havok, really.

[pine oyster]

What?

[rigid sky]

Final Toll is a thing

[tepid wing]

https://tenor.com/view/surge-can-gif-3554050

[rigid sky]

But it doesn't stop that first Voidblast knockdown

That's why I said oversimplification

[pine oyster]

No idea what you're referencing, unc.

[rigid sky]

It only affects enemies below 50% right?

[tepid wing]

voidblast primary and secondary, as far as i know, have surge proc

[rigid sky]

If the Voidblast can't stun it, it'll probably kill it

[rigid sky]

Not secondary, no

[pine oyster]

No, it's anointed.

[rigid sky]

Only voidstrike

Oh you edited lol

So yes

[tepid wing]

no wait i was right

for some reason i always get voidblast and voidstrike confused

[rigid sky]

No voidblast secondary does not double up

Voidstrike does

Voidblast is trauma

[pine oyster]

Why have that on Voidstrike? It'd be only good for ogryns.

[tepid wing]

because voidblast i feel blasts its enemies with the ground attack
and i feel voidstrike should strike its enemies with the ranged strike

but it's opposite

[rigid sky]

No that is correct Fugue

[tepid wing]

chaos has clouded my mind

[rigid sky]

Voidstrike is the one that didn't get renamed

[pine oyster]

Rending shockwaves would be better for forcestrike, considering the projectile it fires.

[tepid wing]

okay but
when are we getting bolt staff like in vermintide

[rigid sky]

Does bolt pistol count

[tepid wing]

melta-pistol maybe

[rigid sky]

I cast 25mm grenade

[pine oyster]

I got the 2 mixed up, wrong blessing, wrong staff.

[tepid wing]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-fallout-new-vegas-sigma-gif-26432567

[tepid wing]

i have sudden flashbacks to when i made a spreadsheet to map every weapon blessing i was trying to get before the rework

[pine oyster]

For strike, focused channeling and sustained fire sound good.

[tepid wing]

hellscape

[patent jacinth]

Voidstrike runs warp nexus surge

[rigid sky]

There are alternate paths too for weirder builds

But I prefer nexus surge too

Iirc you can also sub Flurry in for one of them, or go Transfer/Flurry and aim to keep the Flurry buff stacked permanently by not needing to ever quell

[pine oyster]

That sounds... rng dependent.

[rigid sky]

A little bit, but we have True Aim to force crits too

[rigid sky]

Voidstrike isn't really meta anyway

It's a meme blaster

[hearty wolf]

Guess which one

the inferno psyker was

[rigid sky]

If you want to one-click a Crusher from a mile away

[tepid wing]

https://tenor.com/view/it-was-me-gif-21942307