psyker-class

[plucky flax]

I taught potato everything they know.

[nocturne dust]

Agent when you gonna teach me

👀

[plucky flax]

I think you're out of my depth.

Same with sutsut.

Something is better left broken.

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[cinder cradle]

i'm a daily agentchaos upload enjoyer at this point 🙏 bro convincing me that even he can't make power sword look fun this morning

[plucky flax]

[deft stump]

So Beans bad?

[nocturne dust]

I hate psword with a fiery passion

[gray juniper]

Why?

[plucky flax]

Is a bit clunky but it works stronk for horde clear.

[nocturne dust]

almost as much as I hate the lack of useful fire sword

[cinder cradle]

mandatory special every 3 hits is so clunky

[gray juniper]

Ahhh

[nocturne dust]

It's incredibly clunky and incredibly repetitive.

[deft stump]

Oggy is brain ded if you can read. I did 1-30 and then used that build to solo heresy. Fuck BoNs though.

[deft stump]

Is this why you don't tell me things?

[gray juniper]

Going to check out that build Ty Chaos, Owen. I went into havoc with the wrong shit and they paid for it 😦

[nocturne dust]

I want a weapon that feels responsive and psword feels like it wouldn't get back to you even in 3-5 business days

[plucky flax]

Don't you worry child.

[analog agate]

I enjoy ps 6

[cinder cradle]

good luck friend

[analog agate]

Just slide when charging if you don’t want to charge cancel

[deft stump]

You get my traumatic traumatising non-trauma builds then.

[gray juniper]

Eh I can solo heresy as much as it’s possible on console. The bots make it a bit easier than that though

[deft stump]

Thing is, the build was just cobbled together as I lvled up lul. It's a mess. XD

[gray juniper]

Wow

Ok I feel cheated

[cinder cradle]

ogryn's kinda tricky until you find out about confident strike

[deft stump]

Wot. Don't need it.

[cinder cradle]

for learning i mean

[deft stump]

High impact bullying.

Slap and bonk everything.

[cinder cradle]

confident strike is the strongest thing in the game imho .w.

[deft stump]

Thunderous skullcrusher. SMASH SMASH SMASH.

[cinder cradle]

literally unkillable as long as you have stuff to hit

[gray juniper]

Maybe you can’t truly be effective in this game until you play each class and level up

[glacial vapor]

The trapper:

[cinder cradle]

trying everything gives a ton of perspective and makes it a lot easier to help others, i hugely recommend trying everything/all weapons at least once

[gray juniper]

Did anyone else start out as psyker and just stay with it?

[deft stump]

It does teach you how the other classes kinda play like so you know what to expect.

[deft stump]

Kickback to face.

[timber parcel]

I initially stayed as it until I got my first h40 clear

[gray juniper]

Yea I get surprised by some things and it throws off the play @deft stump

[gray juniper]

Mad fuggin respect. So much respect

[timber parcel]

I have mental health problems though

[gray juniper]

That was my LARPing idea starting this game

Oh well look at what else we have in common

[timber parcel]

I do zealot now

Because I can win more

[deft stump]

It happens. I still screw up alot. I mean, what did one expect of the bottom barrel heresy* player anyway.

[timber parcel]

and it’s harder for me to fuck up

[gray juniper]

It’s bad when the line falls apart and you’re swarmed close up when that wasn’t the plan for timing @deft stump

[deft stump]

I'm autistic if you are going to pull that card. It changes nothing.

[gray juniper]

Idk how everyone else plays but I’m thinking a couple steps ahead to not get hit

[nocturne dust]

I expect you to become GOATed

[nocturne dust]

I don't think that far

[timber parcel]

I more so imagine things

[nocturne dust]

Hear noise, dodge

[timber parcel]

Hehe

[nocturne dust]

[glacial vapor]

No think, just vibe

[plucky flax]

I'm r-word.

Wait I think that is considred a very mean word in america.

[gray juniper]

I consider those dodges side quests 🤓

[nocturne dust]

red?

[deft stump]

I mean, I always have to think seconds ahead. 300 ping lul. But yeah, planning too far doesn't help. In the moment is how it is.

[nocturne dust]

Vibetide

[gray juniper]

Unless you’re running gaze, close up mobs aren’t your friend

[plucky flax]

Yeah I am actually indian.

[deft stump]

Are you telling me to buy Goat simulator?

[plucky flax]

As in native american.

Indigenous.

[blissful solar]

same

[analog agate]

According to the manosphere here they are taking it back

[gray juniper]

It got my message blocked saying it lol

[timber parcel]

I hate psyker w/ ping tbh

[deft stump]

You mean ghost noises and sensations?

[deft stump]

Rotund? Wait, aren't you Asian?

[nocturne dust]

[plucky flax]

I don't even know what that means but in the UK it's not super frown upon. People throw it out pretty casually in a group.

[gray juniper]

I think he/she is saying schizophrenia

[nocturne dust]

Depends who you're talking to in America

most people will take context clues and react aggressively if it's as an insult

[blissful solar]

just be friends with cool people instead

[spice oar]

since zealot is probably getting a rework, what do you guys think needs to be reworked on psyker? (minus that useless node on venting shriek that does max 100 damage or so)

[deft stump]

Ah. Imagine can be like, hearing, feeling and seeing things that aren't really there.

[gray juniper]

Yes it’s like saying you’re extra stupid but with extra disdain on top

[nocturne dust]

sorry, only hot people can be my friends

[deft stump]

Well, being fatphobic is bad in America.

[plucky flax]

What's the r-word gotta do with being fat?

[deft stump]

Nothing till vet gets a tree fix.

[brazen rampart]

Psyk aura needs an internal cooldown.
Staff perks need to be reworked entirely.
Souldrinker (not soulstealer) needs to be buffed, massively.
Infinite cleave options like purg, trauma, (and even zeal flamer) need kneecapped.

[deft stump]

You missed my last message then.

[plucky flax]

All my cool frens play gooner blade. (None of them do and I don't want to admit to them I play that game to goon)

[brazen rampart]

Also, yeah, vet needs more attention than psyker atm.

[blissful solar]

you should play it to appreciate her BEAUTY

not GOON

[plucky flax]

This is what you pinged me with.

[brazen rampart]

Zeal needs more attention than vet, though.

[spice oar]

and its never against an actual disabled person either its like an anti-slur lmao

[blissful solar]

https://tenor.com/view/eve-eve-07-stellar-blade-freak-im-surprised-gif-6981796775384597190

[deft stump]

@plucky flax that.

[plucky flax]

I bet you'd play that game in korean actually. Maximum gooning.

[analog agate]

Joe Rogan and his peeps

[blissful solar]

of course i would, i try to never play dubs

[nocturne dust]

And Unlucky for Some? They'll definitely fix Unlucky for Some, right? Right???

[spice oar]

i would love more staff perks because i know we arent getting a new staff at all ever

[deft stump]

No JP VA?

[brazen rampart]

I wouldn't say that.

[plucky flax]

Aye it's more a 'funny' word for being stupid. Also it can be used to describe a physical disability here too so if a mate has to use crutches for whatever reason they become r-word. Xd

[spice oar]

its been YEARS man

[plucky flax]

There probably is but I play in English.

[gray juniper]

No one in the US says it to disable folks by the way. I use it constantly and so do my boys. No one would consider doing that

[plucky flax]

I don't understand Asian so I don't play in Asian.

[blissful solar]

cringe

[brazen rampart]

You never know, Fatshark has been basically yanking weapons from vt2 every now and then and putting them in darktide (mk15 evisc is literally executioners sword) so they might give psyker some of Sienna's staves.

[deft stump]

.-.

[blissful solar]

i dont understand cjk so i love cjk

[brazen rampart]

I would really, really hope for the beam staff as a purg model.

[spice oar]

i just find it interesting that something that used to be a slur is just never actually used as it was "intended", kinda fire

[plucky flax]

The english voice actress for eve sounds hot enough.

[brazen rampart]

Obliterate that talent entirely. It's a fucking meme. Take crystalline will with it.

[spice oar]

nah ive abandonded hope, happy with the greatsword tho

[nocturne dust]

I'm sure Fatshark will add some new staves in 3-5 business millenia. (Note: this millenia is not a business millenia.)

[spice oar]

and itll be trauma with a left click thats slightly faster but with slightly less damage

[deft stump]

But yes, rotund just means fat. Obese Americans hate people pointing that out to them mostly because of how unhealthy it is at least from what I know and heard.

[brazen rampart]

If psyker gets coruscation staff I'm never using anything else again.

[blissful solar]

who the heck would say "r-word" to mean rotund

there are two r-words and that aint one of them

[spice oar]

wait is he not joking 😭

[nocturne dust]

I mean, I do want martyr psyker to be real... would be funny...

[plucky flax]

Calling fat people r-word is kinda weird.

[blissful solar]

ERM ACKTUALLY she/her ERMMMMM

[spice oar]

right click opens up a localised warp storm

[plucky flax]

Just call them fat.

XD

[blissful solar]

rotund seems nice if anything

[gray juniper]

True the people that made such a fuss about it seem to not realize no actual disability people were being harmed by the use of the word or maybe it was just language control in the first place

[spice oar]

shit Malcador smite me like the lost primarchs

[brazen rampart]

Nah just a funnel of soulblaze.

Every second, enemies in the aoe get 2 stacks or something.

[spice oar]

nuh uh i wanna send dudes to daemons

[deft stump]

I was, kinda.

[analog agate]

Because the bad word is obese, though medically correct

[brazen rampart]

Soulblaze kills the soul.

[spice oar]

yeah but we got it already i want new new

[deft stump]

You know in a snarky way.

[blissful solar]

americans love their mcdonalds

[brazen rampart]

You prevent daemons from gaining power with it by killing a heretics soul.

[blissful solar]

maybe a little. it's kinda impossible to not comment on someone's high weight and not be a little mean UNLESS the context makes it make sense

[analog agate]

Used too. McDs does not taste like it used to. And is more expensive than ever

[spice oar]

thats good then cause i dont want it to be soulblaze based lol

[blissful solar]

gotta use the app to get the DEALS

oh wrong uh post

[brazen rampart]

If Grendyl learned his reject psykers were feeding daemons on the battlefield, he would have them executed on the spot.

[nocturne dust]

2 r-words?

Am I blanking or something

[spice oar]

NEW DEALS ON WARP BURNS

[blissful solar]

you are blanking or something

i dont wanna say it

[timber parcel]

If words are that problematic imo it’s a mental illness

[blissful solar]

TRUE???

[nocturne dust]

There's the idiot one but what's the other

[spice oar]

Dont have to be daemons i was just giving an example, anything new

[blissful solar]

you ever heard of "rap" music?

[spice oar]

shit, a iron hand spell would go hard

[nocturne dust]

oooooo, wait that's not an r-word at all to me

[deft stump]

I mean, if they are over 300 pounds (150KG)... and it's mostly fat... Just... what can I really say?

[brazen rampart]

Iron arm as a scriers augment...

More melee damage...

:)))))

[spice oar]

if its visual hell yeah

[deft stump]

Meat tastes like cardboard now.

[timber parcel]

It’s unhealthy to be that big. Doesn’t mean you’re a bad person though

[blissful solar]

just dont comment on their weight unless it's relevant, i guess. it's like if they have an ugly thing on their face. it may be true but it's pointless and mean to point out

[brazen rampart]

Nah don't make it visual, I have enough visual clutter to begin with.

[plucky flax]

Most americans have type 2 diabetes in their genetics.

[spice oar]

skill issue

[brazen rampart]

Hey look, that's me.

[plucky flax]

[brazen rampart]

(diabetes is not an excuse for being fat though)

[blissful solar]

the problem really comes when anti-fatphobia means dishonesty around fatness and its impacts on beauty and health

[nocturne dust]

Me being a skinny American (I can't eat)

[deft stump]

I guess just not be blunt.

[brazen rampart]

(I keep my weight at a constant 220lbs at 6ft2, which is good, despite diabetes being annoying)

[plucky flax]

Bro is a unit.

[brazen rampart]

Don't forget the folks that are so disillusioned with the notion of fat = beautiful that they literally fucking die from being so fat.

It's a tragedy, really.

[blissful solar]

those situations are so sad. killed by a culture

[nocturne dust]

you mean delusioned

disillusioned means they see the truth

[brazen rampart]

Words hard.

Been awake for 20 minutes.

[blissful solar]

disillusioned means they just dont see the illusion, not that they see the truth.

[brazen rampart]

:(

[blissful solar]

though typically if you dont see an illusion anymore you are at least closer to the truth

[brazen rampart]

Frog eepy.

[nocturne dust]

well, yes, but potato, potato

[brazen rampart]

The point got across, which is what matters.

[novel yoke]

lads whats the dump stat for the force great sword

[brazen rampart]

Warp resistance.

[novel yoke]

warp res?

aight

thanks

[nocturne dust]

see pins also

[blissful solar]

there's a degree to which society and its people benefit from holding themselves to certain standards

[nocturne dust]

Sure, like moral and legal standards

[deft stump]

I mean, I will just state the obvious that isn't just it cripples your ability to do stuff. Your heart hates you for it as well and other things.

[gray juniper]

True it’s not disillusioned it’s being propagandized

People want you to lie to their face to acquiesce their ego and whims

[nocturne dust]

Sure would be a shame if a country elected a known felon and then let him commit horrendous crimes against humanity and the country's constitution

[blissful solar]

higher standards than just the minimum. self-health, self-beauty, are also valuable

[gray juniper]

And they’re literally dying over the kid gloves treatment

[nocturne dust]

Hierarchy of standards

[brazen rampart]

Anywho, not going to involve myself further with this conversation. Not risking myself getting banhammered in case it turns sour.

👋

[gray juniper]

If society chooses madness, give them what they want

[blissful solar]

the anti politics rule is fake news anyway

plus this is barely political

more philosophical

[plucky flax]

https://tenor.com/view/we-live-in-a-society-society-joker-gamers-rise-up-gang-weed-gif-13919217

[blissful solar]

anyway all im saying is that if the chaos cultists cared about being beautiful and cute they wouldnt have turned to CHAOS/nurgle

[nocturne dust]

Well, 1/4th of society explicitly did not want this and is being dragged kicking and screaming while another 1/2 abstained soooooo

[deft stump]

It is. Diabetes is hell. That part I understand. But the difference is you do things to keep it from snowballing up while some just continue to overindulge in trash.

[strong gulch]

Beans bad. Thief.

[plucky flax]

Hello beans

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/im-out-running-away-thief-gif-15764247

[strong gulch]

Hi

[gray juniper]

I’m not sure what you’re talking about

[plucky flax]

Some unsanctioned guy stole my account and talked smack it wasn't me.

[gray juniper]

I’m talking about the “rotund” crisis

[nocturne dust]

Don't worry about it. Everything is fine.

[deft stump]

They go Slaanesh till beauty goes twisted or maybe not. Stay a pretty princess if you feel like.

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-last-airbender-war-basingse-hypnotized-brainwashing-gif-17917884

[strong gulch]

Must of been hacked.

[blissful solar]

slaanesh is not the same

we need a new cute warp god

[deft stump]

Mew! But yeah, is a joke.

[deft stump]

Hrmph.

[gray juniper]

“there's a degree to which society and its people benefit from holding themselves to certain standards” I can tell you’re from another country just based on this comment @blissful solar

[blissful solar]

im from the usa

:)

[gray juniper]

Kudos

[strong gulch]

Because its niche is horde clear, but we have other weapons that are multiple purpose and horde clear faster. If lacerate knife clears faster than a dedicated horde weapon, something is off.

Some better armor damage would be nice, but I don't have a problem with is being dedicated to hordes, as long as it's at really good at doing that.

[timber parcel]

How do I check pinned messages for this channel?

[gray juniper]

Hmm very good point

[timber parcel]

Nvm found it

Sorry

[plucky flax]

🇺🇸 God bless AMERICA. Land of the free.

[blissful solar]

https://tenor.com/view/peach-peach-and-goma-peach-goma-eat-food-gif-2438217071146488875

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/blade-runner-2049-bocchi-bocchi-the-rock-gif-14411896826070747419

As an American, I hate America.

[plucky flax]

[nocturne dust]

I do also love it here. But I also hate it.

[gray juniper]

lol why

[nocturne dust]

Many reasons. Many of them political and socioeconomic.

https://tenor.com/view/luigi-mario-supersmash-mariobros-smashbrothers-gif-19982576

[strong gulch]

Same

so much same

[blissful solar]

the sad part is that americans have no idea what's wrong with their country :)

[nocturne dust]

Just something like 25% holding the rest of the country hostage

Americans will complain all day about politics and the issues plaguing their society and then not vote.

[blissful solar]

i mean apparently 65% of us citizens voted in the 2024 election and also the recent president winner won the popular vote

[strong gulch]

Something something eggs.

[nocturne dust]

si

That's actually down from the previous election

[ocean turtle]

man if i could just get cliffhanger completed i would just need the monstrosity in private damage penance and then id be done with psyker penances

but it continues to elude me

[gray juniper]

I’ll help you

Scratch my back on cliff hanger too though

Crazy we had the same problem

[robust jacinth]

Use smite and just look in the direction of the cliff when you let go, they'll all fall in the direction you were looking.

[gray juniper]

But I’m ready to go now @ocean turtle. just helped Kelly get it. So happy for her

[gray juniper]

This chat is full of great ideas. I don’t use smite enough to remember it pushes

[robust jacinth]

Neither did I until I got sick of that penance

[gray juniper]

If I get cliffhanger it completes all “for the emperor” and master of war. So annoying

[marble crater]

Not using smite enough is a good thing

[upper sun]

was there a patch like today or yesterday?

i think thats a new spawn in hab dreyko

[cursive thorn]

which staff is best

other than inferno

[runic kiln]

Personal choice, I love void but trauma comes out when team needs more anti armour

[analog agate]

EK and VB are best in non havoc

Inferno and VB are best in havoc

[cursive thorn]

does fgs drop warp resistance or defenses

[analog agate]

Warp

[worldly elm]

What sorta builds does kinetic presence lend well to?

Does it help BB or assail reach any breakpoints or anything?

[analog agate]

None of them. It doesn’t help with any breakpoints. Only run if it someone else is running Seer’s

[worldly elm]

Im trying to run it because i need the pennance

Like one of 2 pennances i have left on psyker aside from the 75 and 100 mission ones

Shield is the other, but shield is pretty easy to run on most builds

[deft stump]

JUST RUN IT.

It barely matters either way.

I ran the same build for all 3 auras.

Changed barely anything.

[worldly elm]

Fair enough, was just wondering if it actually had a specific use anywhere

[deft stump]

For all chars barring the clearly outstanding ones, no.

You shouldn't be taking things for others anyway.

Because most will build based on not having any other char aura since nobody can predict who will be in the party.

Unless it's a H40 build and you have a fixed weekly party.

[worldly elm]

Nah we goin in to H40 with enpowered psionics smyker, the heretics don't know ball like I do

https://tenor.com/view/skating-basketball-slam-dunk-ice-gif-24361241

[deft stump]

GL getting accepted.

[worldly elm]

Its a joke bestie

[deft stump]

I know. Though some meme players totally will do 4 smykers.

[worldly elm]

Group crayon eating starts in 30 minutes

That sounds kinda funny though

Im hoping once arbites comes out the 4 stacks will be divine

[deft stump]

So Arbites and oggy only.

[worldly elm]

Need to see a full group of rightside ability arbites bullying elite packs

[fast timber]

Anyone can link me to a good gun psyker build please ?

[cursive thorn]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da62e0d-1e0f-4d9b-adca-a60b3809dd98/gandalf-melee-max-wizard

is this build good

[worldly elm]

Not a bad build, ive been using something similar

[fast timber]

ty but was looking more for gun psyker over anything staff

played staff to death

[coral topaz]

Give this a try..and tweak to taste once you’ve had some time with it: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a6affc6-44b4-447b-8bde-31d58e5816c4/psycho-gun-psyker

[worldly elm]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f362188-1f6f-444b-b4a3-c8fe293f6f52/my-build-12?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

Not running kinetic deflection out of preference

But could easily be slotted in instead of the disrupt destiny final talent

[analog agate]

See pins

[worldly elm]

My build is probs not 100% optimized, but it feels comfy and thats what matters

[cursive thorn]

wasnt related to your question

mb

[fast timber]

oh sorry 😄 was my mistake

[cursive thorn]

does voidblast want to spam light or heavy attacks

[worldly elm]

Heavy iirc?

Is void blast the one with the charged shot secondary attack?

Since iirc that one wants to spam charged secondary crits with surge

[cursive thorn]

the aoe on the ground

[worldly elm]

Ahh, idk, i do know that the secondary gets used often to stagger heavy enemies

I dont use that staff though, dont like it

[pine shore]

fire trauma

Or rending trauma

Any trauma is insane

[analog agate]

You want to do full charge if you can. Only do half or as soon as you can if you want to quick stagger.

[cursive thorn]

and dont use lights?

[broken carbon]

only for stagger or quickly hitting a sniper or something

lights r decent but they aren’t amazing

[summer canopy]

someone save me from this hell

[fallen zodiac]

can you tell im good at pysker

[cosmic sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/niko-oneshot-ballin-teste-niko-ballin-gif-26110464

[thorny trail]

Hey, I have a question. I am using a void staff. It says it has a special attack. my key is properly bound and I can use my specials on other weapons, but this one doesn't seem to work. are they bugged?

[blissful solar]

the special attack on the staffs is just meleeing them. not sure if it's good at anything, definitely isnt good for damage.

[thorny trail]

I can't seem to get it to work for some reason. I have other weapons with the special working

[summer canopy]

this is taking ages

[blissful solar]

that is just to complete missions?

[summer canopy]

yes

im spamming the train mission

but doing it braindeadly

[blissful solar]

I remember

[summer canopy]

so takes around 2x the time it would if I was properly speedrunning it

[blissful solar]

you doing sedition?

[summer canopy]

ye

I have a low intensity heresy saved

but eh

[blissful solar]

yeahhh i guess this is one of those penances youd be best off getting over time or while doing other penances

[summer canopy]

I already have every other penance

had em since game 30 lol

[blissful solar]

lol

[summer canopy]

I just yearn for the moment I am free of psyker

[blissful solar]

I have 1200 levels on pskyer and only have like 50/60 penances

[brazen rampart]

Psyker is way more fun than other classes though.

Except maybe exe stance vet

[thorny trail]

So, what's the reason a force staff special attack doesn't work? All my other weapons specials work fine. Not sure why I can't melee with it

[verbal thistle]

you can, whats wrong with it?

[sturdy reef]

exe stance vet bolter is so much fun ong

[blissful solar]

should just work. you can't be charging a strike while doing it.

[strong gulch]

The special works. It's not bugged as far as I know. You might need to put in a ticket if restarting the game or rebinding doesn't work. Light and heavy work.

[verbal thistle]

gives me ptsd from seeing this

reminds me of the staff bash only runs

took forever to kill horde

[strong gulch]

RIP

Killing just one bruiser takes a life time.

Let alone a whole horde.

[verbal thistle]

yup

[thorny trail]

I'll double check my settings then. I didn't know there was more than one special attack for it. Specials are bound to mouse wheel down, so manybe that's it. THank you

[strong gulch]

Ooh that might be it. You can hold it like any other attack with lights and heavies. IDK if you can mod; but there is a mod called multibind that let's you have more than key bound to the same thing.

That way you don't have to change your muscle memory. If that isn't an option, staff bonk isn't really used.

It can be nice to make room but there are other options for that.

[thorny trail]

Yeah. That was it. I changed it to a random key to test. I can't remember though. TBH, mouse scroll is pretty great. It feels really natural to use it for special attack parry on devils claw

It's just not the first time it happened with a weapon, so I was getting really curious about taht

[strong gulch]

I like mouse scroll down for weild blitz. It doesn't always work great tho because it makes be throw 2 knives on zealot.

Good to know that it is funky with staff special.

This is the multibind mod.
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/337

[jovial juniper]

Charged Strike got buffed

Staff bash only v2 when

[plucky flax]

Where pink name

[verbal thistle]

ate it

[strong gulch]

Imposter Ainz

[sinful peak]

is warp unbound good

[plucky flax]

Sure

[ornate hamlet]

okay.. This is actually very fun

I've denied the cowboy revolver too long

[verbal thistle]

best node on gaze probably

[sinful peak]

really

[verbal thistle]

considering psyker scales with peril, yes

at 100% peril you get 200% cleave, 33% toughness damage reduction, and 20% damage

(if you take those talents)

it lets you keep 100% peril for 10 seconds

[gray juniper]

Yea you can still do the weird thing of edging gaze by keeping the peril maxed out right?

[compact cargo]

Psyker master edging

[gray juniper]

Ah never mind. Answered

[gray juniper]

I remember someone telling me you just keep jelqing it and it doesn’t go down. Sounds like they fixed it but that’s a funny and useful exploitation

[sinful peak]

so like after gaze ends you just upkeep 100% with shards?

[verbal thistle]

or staff

or force sword

[gray juniper]

Yes exactly that

So is the trick still functional?

[sinful peak]

what should I drop to get unbound

[wispy bay]

That's the intention of Warp unbound.

[wispy bay]

You can drop assail quick recharge.

If you don't use automatic weapons, then drop tranquility through slaughter as well.

[verbal thistle]

I love EP assail in havoc, look at the shard count

[gray juniper]

@verbal thistle question so does quietude’s effect work for manually quelling peril or does naturally dropping peril count too?

[verbal thistle]

To my knowledge it only increases manual quell speed

[gray juniper]

So no toughness boost on natural drop makes it half as useful as assumed

[verbal thistle]

oh wait

I might've been thinking of another talent

[gray juniper]

Ah ok

[verbal thistle]

yup

my bad

[gray juniper]

Np

[verbal thistle]

I thought you meant this

This is passive and manual peril reduction

gaze and shriek quells 50% on ability use,

[gray juniper]

So you can melee and it’ll assist passively?

[verbal thistle]

the only time peril getting reduced wont give toughness is when you afk and it goes down

you gain it off quelling or with abilites that reduce it

[gray juniper]

Ah ty

[gray juniper]

By afk you mean actually afk right?

I’m considering switching it out for Empiric Resolve to keep attacks up on higher settings

[lucid terrace]

And people still say assail isn’t viable 😔

[wraith sphinx]

Waiter waiter more assail buffs please

[verbal thistle]

I made a few mistakes in that clip too

since I kept getting EP charges my peril went down

I could've swaped to staff to maintain buffs

[strong gulch]

Quietude will generate toughness if your peril passively quells. Like when your peril naturally quells on its own because you didn't do any peril related activities for awhile and from something like BCoB.

[lucid terrace]

I don’t think anyone noticed. We’re here for funny assail, we’re jumping for joy to see assail

[brazen merlin]

I'm new to the game. Does Empathic Evasion trigger "successful dodge" abilities?

[verbal thistle]

checking rn

but I think so

[brazen merlin]

Alrighty, thanks!

[gray juniper]

Very clear answer thanks

[verbal thistle]

yes it does

wait

rereading it

do you mean while using Empathic, do you proc blessings like Riposte?

if that's the case, I don't think so. That's tied to your dodge key

[analog agate]

Someone tested it here. The latter is right. Riposte/precog doesn’t proc on EE

[topaz lichen]

Is there a good reason for a psker to have +2 wounds or did my auric teammate just have shit curios

[marble crater]

There is no good reason, no

[strong gulch]

Meme.

[topaz lichen]

They died like 3 times

[marble crater]

Good thing they had 4 wounds then

[novel yoke]

that's probably whythey had extra wounds

[marble crater]

By the way

[compact cargo]

Wound investment fallacy

[novel yoke]

yippie, arbites only lobby for a month lol

[buoyant maple]

which enemy was it tested against

[gray juniper]

It doesn’t add any health btw

[hidden violet]

what build that includes brain burst (and ideally inferno staff) works well for Damnation? I'm struggling with builds that work just fine on Heresy + <10 havoc

[marble crater]

There is one in the pins, you can also change venting shriek for bubble shield

[hidden violet]

that is pretty much the build I'm using atm, so it's a skill issue, at least I can be fairly sure it's not about the build

[marble crater]

A lot of psyker builds also just feel worse at lower difficulty, because there are fewer enemies and psyker is very good at killing hordes and scales very well into a lot more enemies.

So if you are dying all the time, then yeah skill issue, but if you just don't feel like you are doing a lot then it's just because of lower enemy density

[hidden violet]

I recently swapped to Damnation because Heresy is frustrating and full of you know what kind of players, but I've been wiping on Damnation for three days now
unsure what to do, I have about 80-90% completion on Heresy now but Damnation just doesn't seem to be working, despite supposedly being just "more of the same"

[marble crater]

It's more of the same with more enemies that have more health and deal more damage, maybe you need to get used to that first, try low int damnation to get used to how long it takes for enemies to die maybe

[novel yoke]

lads what blessings do I use w/ fgs

warp slice and deflector is what im using rn

[marble crater]

Wrath, Deflector, Shred, Riposte

[novel yoke]

probably gonna use wrath then

cuz if I have to hit smth multiple times I might as well use my staff

thanks!

[hidden violet]

hm, a lot of newish accounts playing higher diff because of the update, I'm guessing that has something to do with it as well
like my acc is just above lvl 50 and even I'm prob griefing when I queue damnation

[marble crater]

Maybe, but you won't get better at damnation unless you actually play damnation

[brazen rampart]

It's a mix of new accounts and the same old, same old of a majority of the playerbase being quite trash.

[marble crater]

Tomorrow we can all be trash together with Arby

[vernal temple]

Oh boy, can't wait for the bazillion "I am the law" references in game tomorrow

[marble crater]

Time to mute in game voice chat

[vernal temple]

exactly

[marble crater]

Or in my case, just opening xbox party chat for myself

[strong gulch]

What time. I'll probably be asleep, but if I'm not 👀

[marble crater]

I don't know actually

[vernal temple]

gonna call my arbitrator Clavicus Vile and my mastiff Barbas

[marble crater]

[hidden violet]

at least the new difficulty system is a step in the right direction
if if was up to me I'd prob subject even normal queues to the havoc ranking treatment, with optional lower diff that doesn't affect your rank

[strong gulch]

Like can't play auric because you didn't play for a week and it decayed or something??

[hidden violet]

no, like, have your ranking not just go up like they're planning to do but also make it able to go down
I think the chance that you get griefed into wiping and dropping is much lower - and much less punishing - than getting carried into higher diff and griefing players there

but that's me and I do take it a bit too seriously, getting upset when I feel like my teammates are dead weight wasting my time, I hope I can overcome that

[blissful solar]

you just gotta start playing as if they dont exist. which is why one should never play havoc

see it as you actually playing the game and them existing in the darktide world as mere floundering fish

that's at least how your gameplay reliance on them should be. i like my teammates though and think they're fun and interesting to play with even if they fail. it's just annoying to end up wiping because of little things they didnt know to do

[upper sun]

with the ammo, toughness and enemy hitmass increases its very difficult to carry a game solo without spending 4 hours loop a map killing one enemy at a time or stealthing for the revives

but in general i dislike havoc because it requires me to be fully awake to block all fucking trash attacks and communicate with my team

[twin turret]

Oi

The hell is that skull thing?

[upbeat kestrel]

What skull thing

[blissful solar]

the skull in the chevron with the one next to it i assume

[wraith sphinx]

the skull shows you that those players are a member of the same pre-made strike team, numbers denote different strike teams

if you and your friend teamed up before entering quickplay queue and you got matched up with another player and their friend who did the same, they would have the skull icon with the number 1 next to it, for example

[wraith sphinx]

yeah please add even more deranking so randoms can be even more insufferable 🤢

[hidden violet]

you want to take a system with a higher chance of having a teammate who was carried to a certain difficulty and stays there because the game cannot put him lower no matter how often he's going to wipe
over a system where the chance of that happening is much lower because players actually can drop if they keep losing
I fail to see the logic

because that's what's going to happen tomorrow, in normal random lobbies

[wraith sphinx]

your reasoning here is flawed because players get carried through havoc as well, carrying and power leveling is a constant and is not affected at all by the deranking system
what deranking system does, however, is ruin lobbies and games because of player discrimination based on which title color they have, presuming their overall skill with a mod like true level, and premature/rage quitting when a complication happens in mission because people fear deranking instead of trying their best to salvage a suboptimal situation and show off their actual skill

and the aforementioned player title discrimination just encourages even more ridiculous penance grinding and carrying

[hidden violet]

I wasn't talking about havoc itself at all, only that normal matchmaking would benefit from a similar system

[strong gulch]

Ranking for just the regular part of the game bad.

[blissful solar]

dbd ranking system could be useful in this game. but it would have to be applied in a weird way that is hard to really conceptualize

[wraith sphinx]

then why do you want to entertain implementing a havoc-like ranking system for standard missions if you don't even want to touch upon it?

[hidden violet]

because standard players have nowhere near the sweaty mindset most havoc players do, and the rules could be tuned differently accordingly
I mean you're free to think the same thing would happen in normals as it does in havoc, I disagree

[wraith sphinx]

but this is lopsided, the sweaty mindset or lack thereof is entirely shaped by specific gamemode's rules and limitations

you can't take the systems from one thing and apply it to the other and expect everything to stay the same

[strong gulch]

There is already a system to prioritizes grouping newer characters together. It's not super consistent, but it's there.

Getting someone (or most of the team) that's bad is annoying, but a ranked system would be sus af.

[hidden violet]

I have to repeat myself, I said "a system of ranking similar or inspired by havoc", not an exact copy
you're not reading what I'm typing

[strong gulch]

We are reading it.

[wraith sphinx]

I've read exactly what you've typed and responded accordingly

and maybe I wasn't clear myself, so I'll restate that having any sort of ranking system forced onto the regular game mode would be a cancerous experience for everyone involved

[hidden violet]

the new matching + "ranking" system for normals is going to be an improvement upon what we have now (when anyone can turn up all the way to Damnation with a level 10 char if they want and the randoms matched with that player have two options, stay and try to carry, or leave), albeit it's not going to be perfect, because reason I mentioned above
I would want it to be able to rank players down as well and I think it would be an improvement over not having it, that is all I wanted to say

let's see what happens a week/month after tomorrow's patch

[wraith sphinx]

carrying on damnation isn't that difficult if you're good at the game and already happens pretty often enough, all things considered

[flint jungle]

brb gonna go derank because im trying to learn a new build/play style

[hidden violet]

carrying shouldn't be a thing anyone would need to do, period
you can keep ignoring that part of game balancing despite how borderline impossible it is to fix but it's only going to keep creating more problems

[wraith sphinx]

yes it should be, that's like one of the strongest contributors to game's replayability factor. Have you ever played another coop horde game, like DRG or left4dead?

playing high difficulty helldivers 2 with randoms is pretty miserable precisely because of its lack of carrying potential due to the shared reinforcement system, you are afforded essentially zero mistakes and are highly encouraged to bring a loadout that greatly boosts your survivability if your random teammates are bad because they'll keep trying to do the same ineffective thing 6 times in a row and drain your shared reinforcement pool, penalizing you for things outside of your control

[strong gulch]

Sorry. It was me.

[wraith sphinx]

I can't believe you tilted me like this.

[strong gulch]

😭

[wraith sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/rattatan-ratatan-patapon-gif-9516947898713816459

[blissful solar]

i do think it'd be cool if there was some way to recognize individual performance and have it go towards something you can put on as a cosmetic

[strong gulch]

I peaked at bad.

[wraith sphinx]

ggs in chat after a mission success or wipe 😎

[shut kite]

A bit hard for the game to recognise skill in a coop game

[blissful solar]

it is possible though

[strong gulch]

I want a cosmetic to show how often I get stuck on stuff.

[shut kite]

Maybe they could a penance where you have to take <50 damage in a private auric game?

[blissful solar]

im thinking a conditional title

[shut kite]

How so?

[blissful solar]

a singular title that just becomes better or worse based on your individual performance over time

it starts as some shit like "loser" and goes up to something like "john darktide" and becomes purple/red at such a tier

[wraith sphinx]

still proud of this one, from last year when I was still a noob

[blissful solar]

since it'd be a title you dont have to use it and you wouldnt necessarily use it to judge people either

[wraith sphinx]

silo cluster, team split up and died, I popped a combat stim and let it rip with my eviscerator, was at it for like 5 minutes straight before I went down

[shut kite]

Like the penace system but its mission success ratio?

[wraith sphinx]

one of my first if not the first "damn I'm good at this game?" moments

[plucky flax]

Carry me master.

[strong gulch]

@wraith sphinx Speaking of being bad the HD2. Please hold your face in your hands and ask why repeatedly.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB9cDlrYL_NC7jBVkn5Yp4YtNsuCXGwNF

[blissful solar]

probably not just mission success ratio, ideally it'd include things more about individual performance. it might need to be tuned to take into consideration different builds, mission modifiers, difficulty, and all that. so it might be too complicated to really be justified

[shut kite]

Cool concept tho

[wraith sphinx]

Aw you're being too hard on yourself lmao. Those terminid clips were all valiant efforts - bug missions are always a clusterfuck

Getting cornered by bugs is so damn annoying I'm always compelled to pick the death explosion armor

[strong gulch]

Run in circles. Like a nervous little dog lmao

[wraith sphinx]

Makes retrieving your stuff way less of a hassle

[strong gulch]

The newer bugs are mean

[wraith sphinx]

They are indeed

Admittedly I'm not much of a bug enjoyer, I'm a botdiver

[strong gulch]

I bet they taste worse than the older bugs too.

Feck. I need to get to bet.

[wraith sphinx]

Have a good sleep!

[strong gulch]

bye.

bully me if I come back

[plucky flax]

👀

[upper sun]

save your energy for tomorrow

[fast mountain]

anyone can help me with malleus monstronum penance ?

[upper sun]

yes

gimmie 5 minutes i need to go to the bathroom and log in etc

[upper sun]

invite

you can use the code in my name to invite me to a strike team by going to social then find player

@fast mountain it should not do this

im pretty sure you're immune after you've been spat out until you get puked on again

[fast mountain]

haha 😅

i guess i was too delicious

poor thing just wants to play with us ....

[marble crater]

Another BoN bug? Say it ain't so

[upper sun]

🚬

actually yeah

lemme as someone smarter

[blissful solar]

BoN is good at animation canceling

[upper sun]

they cant do it right?

they have to puke again forthe second vore

[blissful solar]

i suppose it would be easy to test

just get swallowed and see if the puke effect goes away

tbh he might not have even been swallowed

[upper sun]

nah he was swallowed

[blissful solar]

if you waited a little longer he might have been

[upper sun]

🤔

yeah he was only half way in

im reporting it anyways tbh

fuck BoN

[blissful solar]

lol

[upper sun]

get nerfed loser

[brazen rampart]

You interrupted the swallow animation so it doesn't cleanse the puke.

Not a bug.

[blissful solar]

yeah that's probably it

[upper sun]

yea

im still reporting it

[blissful solar]

wasting FS's time smh

[brazen rampart]

We should like, remove BoN from the game.

It's current iteration is a stage hazard, nothing more

[upper sun]

you know what bugs me most

if it eats a teammate its programmed to FUCK OFF

it legit has a run the fuck away from team behavior

not turn around

book it the fuck off

ive head beasts eat teammates and go up ledges

what am i supposed to do here?

[brazen rampart]

It should have an aura that inflicts corruption and the vomit should inflict a lot more, then remove the swallow mechanic.

[upper sun]

i think we should replace BoN with a chaos space marine

[brazen rampart]

It should be a problem for everybody, not just a stage hazard that 1 person runs away from and the rest just kinda play near.

[rigid sky]

I think the idea is meant to be that somebody getting abducted is a team-level emergency

[blissful solar]

now the guy who gets abducted will have the dog helping try to get him out no matter where the bon goes

[upper sun]

😠 so why does it leave the team

[rigid sky]

to create the emergency

[brazen rampart]

That's what makes it an emergency.

[rigid sky]

it's a disasterous forced team split, or pursuit

[blissful solar]

that's what makes it an abduction tbh

[brazen rampart]

Regardless, it's a shitty way to make a boss.

I'd rather fight 2 bile trolls at the same time than ever fight a BoN again.

[rigid sky]

Oh, I hate burgles

[upper sun]

so were supposed to walk across the snail trail to reach it?

[rigid sky]

you feel stupid if you get caught out by one

[brazen rampart]

Do you understand the concept of insult to injury?

[rigid sky]

but playing around them is such a pain in the arse

[upper sun]

i understand that whoever designed it should be fired

[brazen rampart]

Glad we are on the same page.

[analog agate]

Idk. I remember?Dead or someone talking about it, like, a year ago

And if it turns out it does work that would make EE more of an instant take on anyone planning to do any mind of melee

[gray juniper]

Here

[plucky flax]

It doesn't proc

[gray juniper]

All well said
And because of the current game structure as it is, only two or three title are actually impressive:
-auric storm survivor
-true survivor
-auric exemplar

The first and last just make it obvious you have a baseline skill level to hang in a certain difficulty ranges comfortably
True survivor says you’re more likely to be more skilled than usual and a team player

An obvious likelihood is you’ll still have people to manage to cheese their way through all of these and the other penances using better players. So I’m all reality is silly and a bit unearned for players to snob over title colors still

[gray juniper]

What’s proc mean again? I’m old but not a tech priest I guess

[wraith sphinx]

Yeah, definitely, it's why I scoff at paying so much attention at titles, there's no guarantee they're actually "earned" and more importantly everyone has bad days which aren't really representative of their usual skill

If you've got it, flaunt it, but it's not a be all end all

[gray juniper]

The war on people with jobs and significant others continues

[pine shore]

ASS title is prob the worst one

[gray juniper]

I rock green because this game is far more fun with immersion and larping. I’ve had people not want to play auric because they see green psyker and freak lmao

[wraith sphinx]

ASS and AU are a little better now since they're no longer cheeseable

[analog agate]

Activate

[pine shore]

I'd say 15 aurics in a row is much harder that 5 maelstroms

[gray juniper]

You may have a point. Someone could’ve achieved it fucking everyone over on a speed run

[plucky flax]

When a buff activates under specific condition.

[wraith sphinx]

I use purple and gold titles because they're pretty colors 🙂

[wraith sphinx]

it's 10 now

[pine shore]

Most of my losses were from me dying to teammates, barrels, joining into a crusher overhead

[pine shore]

WHAT

I DID 15

[wraith sphinx]

I did 10 😌

[gray juniper]

They are. But I want to clear a certain level of gameplay before I feel like I earned them

[pine shore]

FUCK

[wraith sphinx]

I hear you

when I got auric exemplar I immediately put that on tho, was very proud of that one

[pine shore]

But in reality, there's one title better than any other

[gray juniper]

When I started auric and havoc etc I didn’t feel like I accomplished anything getting carried

[pine shore]

cyber-falcon is the best title to choose

[wraith sphinx]

6 of those were rolling steel missions with no downs

cyber falcon is cool yeah

[gray juniper]

Level 12 pox gas I’m constantly downed. Big learning lesson

[wraith sphinx]

my friends are a bit sadistic

[gray juniper]

Hard agree. That’s the only blue I want but vigil hasn’t been around for the skull

[wraith sphinx]

they put me through an auric mael mission when I was level 16 on my vet (first class too)

[plucky flax]

I can play couple rounds for fun if anyone need help with ASS and what not.

[gray juniper]

Cyber falcon goes hard with psyker

[pine shore]

I still can't get true survivor

I just can't find a team

[wraith sphinx]

I don't want to play any more darktide until my pals get arbites dlc and start playing

[pine shore]

That's the hardest part

[plucky flax]

If you're on EU I can help now.

[pine shore]

That would be nice

[plucky flax]

What class are you?

[pine shore]

Not veteran

[wraith sphinx]

I also don't play havoc so best of luck 🤞

[plucky flax]

Play whatever class you're most comfortable with then I'll party finder some guys.

[pine shore]

I almost got true surv yesterday on clandestium gloriana

[gray juniper]

Admittedly I’m not at that level yet. I tried 25 and got outright killed twice then we got team wiped near the end. I don’t want each experience to feel like the peg leg and hold my own. It informed me of some more gameplay changes

[pine shore]

But we got fucked by double pogryn in a tiny corridor

[wraith sphinx]

Some of the havoc specific changes are just sadistic

I don't have fun playing it outside of like 15-20 missions

[plucky flax]

I have this map.

[gray juniper]

Lmao very sadistic

[plucky flax]

Your FS code is missing 1 number.

[pine shore]

oops

Guess it didn't fit

I wanted to remove it from my nickname

[plucky flax]

It fits on my pronoun.

[gray juniper]

First auric I played was pske with no curios or actually good weapons. Asked a guy that sounded experienced on xbox “looking for” what auric was. He didn’t explain just booted the mission. I went down three times and he humped me lmao

[pine shore]

try again?

[plucky flax]

Just paste it here.

[pine shore]

9176478001

[plucky flax]

I got this on your pronoun it's too short.

176478001

[pine shore]

Weird

[gray juniper]

Yes this sounds well earned too

What’s a good stat to be bottom on combat blade?

[leaden thunder]

all I have left to max is the psyker specific stuff😔

[gray juniper]

As in what?

[leaden thunder]

staves and the regular force sword

[gray juniper]

You’re saying you’re leveling your weapons you mean

[leaden thunder]

yeah, I took a longish break around the crafting update and haven't been back in a hot minute, so that's all I got left

[gray juniper]

Ah not bad I guess

[cursive thorn]

why is this dumb class so squishy

[analog agate]

Cause we do great dmg

[deft stump]

Ever played a glass cannon?

[vernal temple]

oh no...

hide your kids

[gray juniper]

What’s the gold 6?

[vernal temple]

Havoc clearance level

[shut kite]

What is the funnest build on psyker in your guys opinion? I have been loving scriers gaze with the force greatsword lately, even though Im horrible at optimizing the swing pattern.

[deft stump]

It's a modded thing.

[deft stump]

Fun for one might not be fun for another.

[shut kite]

Still looking for suggestions if anybody wants to

[plucky flax]

Not clearance just highest havoc level cleared.

[pine shore]

rip

[deft stump]

That's assignment.

Clearance is highest won.

[plucky flax]

Ok sry.

[plucky flax]

Sry I tried but my time is up.

[pine shore]

Thanks for trying

Got a bit unlucky with randoms

And that's how it's been for me for the past couple weeks

Someone just dies to random shit

After we failed true survivor penance I just died inside and started dying in game

[plucky flax]

[pine shore]

I'm going insane

What are the chances to assemble the avengers team

[cursive thorn]

is souldrinker worth using

[pine shore]

Agentchaos, hamdolsun, ainz, fyre

who else is god at darktide

[cursive thorn]

me

[pine shore]

Can you true solo h40?

[cursive thorn]

probably, its just a bunch of running through

[pine shore]

you too then

[cursive thorn]

[pine shore]

And just any 3 of god players + wet noodle me

Me when in full stack of literal gods

https://tenor.com/view/happy-beach-steam-emoji-sunset-gif-3837748048620888892

[spice oar]

Look at chocoB’s YouTube channel

He’s the best True Solo player for darktide/Vermintide stuff

[pine shore]

I also need reasonable chances to get them to assemble into 1 team

Chocob is on this server but he never sent a single message

so I think it's unlikely

[spice oar]

Oh I didn’t even know lol, was just sending for inspiration or tips

[upper sun]

@marble crater damn the fucking writing was fire

[proper osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-orange-kitty-cat-fat-kitten-gif-294206017747515862

I’m good at darktide?

Guh

Me sooo happy

[pine shore]

are you not?

Let me quickly edit that list and remove you then

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/779424458238459946/1381244430392098937/tenor_71.gif

[proper osprey]

The day before yesterday I did a havoc 40 with 3 console players and got someone true survivor

[dense wolf]

[pine shore]

ok let me add you back to the list

[proper osprey]

In that match we had a horde, dh, twins, and all types of elites in one small room

[pine shore]

https://tenor.com/view/bingus-cat-sphynx-cat-cat-meme-gif-18518724

[proper osprey]

@gleaming moth congrats on your true survivor

Cuz he got it that run

Psyker was on 1 hp dodging for his life

He had the dh

[crude zodiac]

With all block resistance curio perks + block resistance on melee + deflector, can you really have 86% block resistance or due to multiplacative stacking is it way less?

[gleaming moth]

[proper osprey]

Why must you block that much

[crude zodiac]

Kinetic resonance

[proper osprey]

What the shrimp

I wouldn’t invest that much into block res

If I’m memeing maybe

Kinetic deflection is good enough on its own

[fiery stratus]

Yeah you don't really need blocking related things with KD and decent stamina

[proper osprey]

And depending on your weapon like a fgs or reg force sword it’s stam pool is good enough

[pine shore]

Kinetic deflection is already enough to block anything if you quell in between attacks

[deft stump]

Kejetok.

14 mins H40 Enclavum Baross front row seat is all you need to know.

[crude zodiac]

I also have full stamina on each curio

[static sonnet]

Its 54.5% btw

With three 12% and one 20% block efficiency

[deft stump]

You either go full meme or don't meme.

+9 stam, all block up, all cdr, all stam regen for when you somehow hit critical.

[crude zodiac]

• deflector 30% as well though

Thank you for that information though

[static sonnet]

I believe that puts you at 62% then

[deft stump]

Take warp syphon lower peril gen and all other lower peril gen for extra memes.

DH? 4 hits to 1.5% peril.

[crude zodiac]

That's a big loss compared(86 to 62), how did it drop so low?

[deft stump]

Not additive from memory.

[pine shore]

math

[static sonnet]

Multiplicitive scaling

Its (0.88^3)x0.8x0.7

Rather than adding all the percents together. Diminishing returns.

Some things like Toughness are additive scailing. It depends on the ballance of the stat the devs are after. Obviously reaching 100% in a given stat would be broke, so it has to be infinitely reduced lol

[proper osprey]

Cole, path, dorn, cheese/vovi

Really good players

Pendragon

Pavolos dog

They are amazing

https://tenor.com/view/salute-cat-cute-yessir-gif-17449845613192073437

Most of my skill comes from watching high level people play

And I just replicated what they did

I got true survivor in my first run with pav and pendragon

When havoc first released

[deft stump]

Oh right, where Syllo when he's playing seriously?

[pine shore]

are any of them eu?

Because I play on EU servers

[proper osprey]

I don’t think so

I’ll try to play

I get eu people sometimes

I get off at 8cst

[pine shore]

@proper osprey you're so cool and awesome and such a god player

And really god

ANd cool

Help me do true survivor

You're so amazing

[proper osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/really-spongebob-gif-3679997199916005894

[flat shadow]

I'm here too

I'm cool

[proper osprey]

Actually I suck

[pine shore]

Holy shit

[proper osprey]

And I suck at d2!

[pine shore]

What did you do to get this comment from tanner?

[blissful solar]

https://tenor.com/view/chinese-ben-shapiro-ben-shapiro-social-credit-gif-6133430005061019

[pine shore]

I need to know

[proper osprey]

Idk

[pine shore]

It's awesome

[proper osprey]

I just suck!

[deft stump]

I mean, your builds are terrible, so that explains.

[pine shore]

https://tenor.com/view/peepo-shy-gif-26415291

so...

um...

@proper osprey will you help me?

[gray juniper]

So 100% certainty if someone knows, the devs definitely made toughness CURIOS additive stacked? And I’m assuming health is not?

I was just told by a group in unanimity that three health curios isn’t a good idea. I didn’t know this because I didn’t know the stacking differences

[pine shore]

3 health curios is awesome for h40

[plucky flax]

AgentChaos is not good it's UnsanctionedPsyker. People keep mixing them up.

[deft stump]

3 hp is memes, but good if your comp allows for it for reasons. Is just bad in pubs if you take too many chip hits.

[deft stump]

Stop lying to people reeeeeeeeeeee

[static sonnet]

Health and toughness both stack additively. You have a base value based on the class. Bonuses from the talen tree increase the base value, and curios multiply the base value by 0.xx to get the value that it adds to your total.

[deft stump]

Is probably better on Arbites with their HP gate.

[gray juniper]

The suggestion was use 3 stamina, 21 health, 16 toughness

Because that’s the best I have

[deft stump]

On psyker, better just hp and toughness.

[gray juniper]

Everyone has such vastly different answer man 😦

[pine shore]

also, I still don't understand why resistance curios give diminishing returns. I calculated effective hp with resistance currios and each curio gives the same amount. Even slightly more than the previous one to be exact

[deft stump]

Stam on psyker is for memes.

[pine shore]

They're multiplicative, but they all give the same amount

[gray juniper]

All curios?

[proper osprey]

Yeah I’ll help

[pine shore]

Effective hp is hp/(1-dr)

[static sonnet]

dr = (0.8^3) assuming 3 20% resist. Not 60%

[pine shore]

With for example 100 hp
If I take one 20% resistance curio, I get 125 effective hp. I got 25 ehp
With two 20%, I get 156. I got 31 ehp
With three 20%, I get 195. I got 42 ehp

[pine shore]

Correct

[gray juniper]

Ok with that in mind it seems like HP curio is still better than toughness

[pine shore]

Only for havocs where toughness is nerfed into the ground

Usually toughness is better because it is replenishable easily

While hp is not

[static sonnet]

No
100hp
One 20% resist is 120ehp, another is 136 ehp, a third is 149ehp

[pine shore]

What, no?

[gray juniper]

Ok but why is it logical to take boosts that give 4% over something that does 15% when all of them are multiplicative?

[pine shore]

Is 50% resist with 100 hp equal to 150 ehp?

Or 200?

50% resist means I take half damage

So that means I should double my effective hp

With 100hp, 20% resist does not give me 20 hp, it gives me 25

[gray juniper]

@deft stump can you translate the Babylonian they’re speaking?

[static sonnet]

Im sorry im distracted at the same time I dont think I can effectively discuss this right now. 50% resist is double hp that is right. Ill have to think about this later. Here is a link with some descriptions and examples that might help. https://steamcommunity.com/id/kulii/myworkshopfiles/?section=guides&appid=1361210

Click on the curio section. These are amazing information sections for all things number in darktide

[pine shore]

To get 120 ehp from 100, I would need 17% dr

[pine shore]

when

[wraith sphinx]

ehp = effective hp I think

[proper osprey]

Around 8 central standard time

[gray juniper]

I’m failing to understand how choosing a resistance perk gives HP. That one is throwing me off

[wraith sphinx]

damage resistance reduces incoming damage which can be mathematically translated into how much "extra" hp would you have

[gray juniper]

Oh ok I’m following now

[pine shore]

So at <t:1750597200:t>?

[wraith sphinx]

specifically how much base hp + damage resistance is equivalent to just having increased HP

[pine shore]

If you take half damage, means you can take twice as many hits

Means if you double your hp, it would be the same as if you took only half damage

[gray juniper]

Yea but that’s a limited variable to consider is it not? I have sniper, gunner and flamer once each, but it’s not consistent all damage from all enemies. So shouldn’t you consider it a separate pool itself? I understand the math and the logic but it leaves some gaps yea?

[pine shore]

That's obvious, we are only considering one type of damage

Because we are discussing curios

I omitted it, but all that effective hp is only against gunner damage for example because that's the most popular one

[deft stump]

DR is basically a multiplier to you HP. Theoretically. Resist is also that, but more multipliers. All I know is, If you are scared, get 205 HP and 1 sniper resist.

[gray juniper]

So these guys told me to take 4 ability regen. We were getting close on Karnak Twins hard mode but we kept stumbling. So a discussion opened up on loadouts and curios

[deft stump]

You won't insta die to double bursters or a sniper.

[deft stump]

CDR is nice, overkill on staffker though.

You are pathing Psykinetics and 10% CDR anyway.

[wraith sphinx]

cdr kinda overkill on gunker too

[deft stump]

Oh and if you EXTRA scared, 2x gunner resist.

I forgot that.

[wraith sphinx]

by scared she means if you play with randoms

[gray juniper]

I get what he’s getting at because I noticed a huge difference with the health curios and having combined resistances. The problem with that is I wanted to choose bigger base health pool because i wanted more spread on enemy damage. A pox bursted resist on its own seems a wasted spot? It’s huge damage out the gate regardless

[deft stump]

So now shooters are the only scary things.

[wraith sphinx]

cos randoms always ignore gunners

[brazen compass]

The thing with CDR is that it also affects everyone

[deft stump]

Not curios.

I think he has ppl asking him to add it to his curios.

[wraith sphinx]

only seers presence and psykinetic

[brazen compass]

Oh for the curios?

[gray juniper]

That’s what I thought. I’m a bit baffled after the chat. I did it because it was the strategy they wanted to win. It lasted longer somehow after the changes. Idk about keeping the 4% ability regen. It’s constant on my builds

[deft stump]

On psyker, you only take that for memes.

[gray juniper]

4% seems so ridiculously small. I don’t see how it pays off. I assumed it was a trap by the devs

[deft stump]

Or you trust everyone on your team and it's h40 where a late bubble can be a wipe.

[gray juniper]

CDR isn’t in the pins guys. Help me out

[gray juniper]

I was nothing but randoms until I joined this group this week

[deft stump]

It's just a nice extra. More for crazy minmaxxing for support skills that NEEDS to be out asap or risk wipes.

[gray juniper]

Yes

[marble crater]

Cooldown reduction

[gray juniper]

Ok thanks

[deft stump]

I forgot most ppl don't MOBA.

Or RPG.

[marble crater]

RPG?

[plucky flax]

It's super good. It's like 4s shaved off a 30s ability.

[gray juniper]

Hmm if it calculates like that then yea I see that

How does the math pan out in that way? I’m probably stupid but help me out kind sir

[plucky flax]

Oh you take 3 of them.

So 12% cdr.

[wraith sphinx]

I'm a firm believer in cdr all or nothing

[gray juniper]

Oh ok yes that’s actually the initial suggestion they made

[plucky flax]

With warp charges and cdr aura as well I can cast creeping flames and have it ready in 12 seconds.

Then a few psykenetic aura procs and I'm spamming creeping flames every 9 seconds or so.

[gray juniper]

It wouldn’t hurt to be built for end game so I don’t think this is a bad idea even if I’m not there yet

[deft stump]

It's good, but as said, more for late game minmaxxing.

Early on, you need to survive to do anything.

CDR does nothing if you are kissing the floor or in rescue.

[gray juniper]

That’s actually amazing. I’m doing pretty good already with the tree alone working a flames build. With that on the curios it pushes it further into the territory I was attempting

[plucky flax]

I make surge staff into a soulblaze staff.

With cdr maxxing.

[deft stump]

So depends on how safe and comfortable you feel with the class.

[deft stump]

With what peril? Flees.

[plucky flax]

I don't get it.

[deft stump]

I have that kind of build. I make no peril. It's like 16 ek spams to get to reasonable peril to shout.

[plucky flax]

I dunno maybe you just don't know how to play the staff.

[deft stump]

I spam it, make no peril to shout unless I should do it at sub 50%?

Flees.

[plucky flax]

I don't have this problem even in non havoc with super generous quelling.

[gray juniper]

I mean here’s where I’m at. I can hold my own in auric comfortably. Havoc 1-14/15 is fine. I have a list of high core perk curios. I have several sets of good staffs at different dump stats for variation. A couple builds for left side, a couple builds for right side, one bubble smite build

[deft stump]

I'm not even talking havoc. Why would I play psyker there even. Lul.

[gray juniper]

You play surge start with shriek?

[plucky flax]

It's impossible to charge it 16 times and not get enough peril.

You're quelling too much.

[plucky flax]

Ye

[deft stump]

Yeah, but curios are really there to tweak based on your playstyle. I know people who can win without any even. If you feel you need more of X, take it. CDR is overkill generally, but still good.

[deft stump]

I'm not even quelling. That's me spamming RMB shots quickfire.

[plucky flax]

Full charge it.

[pine shore]

If you're not fully charging surge, you're playing wrong

[deft stump]

That's overkill on heresy.

[pine shore]

what

[deft stump]

Plus, I spam my first few shots for flurry charges anyway.

[gray juniper]

So what’s your long range answer with flame staff and shriek? I use the BB for snipers and gunners but it’s a bit much when there’s many of them

[deft stump]

Your teammates. XD

[plucky flax]

With flame staff (inferno) then bb or run up to them.

With surge staff (electrokinetic) then left click.

[plucky flax]

This is you problem not build problem.

[deft stump]

Still, shouldn't spamming generate more peril faster?

[gray juniper]

lol karien you’re a trip

[plucky flax]

I dunno as said I don't have low peril problem with surge staff.

So you're just doing something incredibly wrong.

Then blame it on the staff.

[deft stump]

Trip? I'm the bottom barrel heresy* player, what does that tell you?

[gray juniper]

That’s why my preference is the EK staff it can do short and mid range, but people want you to run flame or blast staff only it seems

[deft stump]

Not blaming. More, don't get it. Then again, I don't mind just keeping warp charges.

[plucky flax]

You don 't have to play what people tell you to do.

[gray juniper]

But seriously it sounds like you’re filling around if you’re not charging the staff. It just stuns doing that

[gray juniper]

True that. I’m going to tweak these curios one more time for a comfier feel

[deft stump]

It can still kill, and once you get flurry going, you can start to 3/4 to full charge faster.

[plucky flax]

In non havoc surge staff is actually the best.

[deft stump]

Why the thing about curios is while ppl can tell you breakpoints and such, it's really more used to fill in your playstyle.

[brazen compass]

You're the best

[plucky flax]

Maximum cdr with minimal right click and I don't have peril problem. I have ER too.

So karien you're just not doing what you said you did.

You can see how fast creeping flames go back tho for this build.

It kills everything in non havoc.

[brazen compass]

Hi mom, I'm on TV!

[deft stump]

I just said I basically don't generate enough peril to do max shrieks vs the CD of it.

[plucky flax]

Well it works.

[deft stump]

I showed some ppl while joking about it before.

Counted how many zaps before I hit 95%.

[plucky flax]

Minimal charge also sucks.

[plucky flax]

Hi.

[deft stump]

Full charge takes too long till my flurry stacks reeeeeeeeeeee

[plucky flax]

It's cool just keep playing how you wa nt.

Then whine.

[gray juniper]

On damnation level this is what the EK does:
One head shot kills most unarmored enemy but not so easy to hit with that dot reticle.
walker-one chest one head or just head, flak gunner 2 shots same pattern and 3 if you aim to low on chest, armored gunner 3-4 shots

Secondary attack kills all of these in one full charge
Armored gunner takes like 1 and single shot
Berserker of both kinds killed in 3-5 shots or two charge ups to full

Mauler two charges
Idk how many shots but it’s a lot

Tank enemies take four full charges but get stunned each time

[gray juniper]

Thanks for advice too

[deft stump]

Also, you forgot why I literally have no peril.

[plucky flax]

Why?