psyker-class

[summer prairie]

looks different but maybe it's because no one uses it

[jovial juniper]

I'm not watching the video
But
Stun storm stuns for 8 seconds iirc

And deals 8 damage on the ticks

Or was it 16

Anyways, you can kill with stun storms, just not oftenly nor consistently

[summer prairie]

seems more like 20 seconds here

[dense wolf]

Even more enhanced with the mods 😭

[marble crater]

Zealot sized ogryn gameplay

[spice oar]

ah yeah course

[upper sun]

"1 ability is you riding the dog and charging in
2 exploding the dog into a shield/golden touhness/ bubble/bleed aoe
3 stealth(you merge with the dog)"

[wraith sphinx]

Gameplay video was pretty good, I'm glad the voicework is on par with the existing classes. Everything else was more or less as expected though

(I'm not planning on buying it because I'm completely uninterested in arbites)

[wraith sphinx]

It doesn't show the entire effect but ||it looks like the arbites stun nade creates a lingering stun field, it's like pskyer smite in a grenade||

[spice oar]

you can see it earlier on

[spice oar]

||its a mine!||

[wraith sphinx]

but it was grenade shaped no?

[spice oar]

im just happy they went creative with it

sure its a stun like smite and zeal but its different enough

||also the dog EMP BLOWS UP WTF||

[wraith sphinx]

not the word I'd use to describe it but I see what you mean

[deft stump]

So zealot stun 'nade but better?

[wraith sphinx]

looks like arbites will def lean heavily into crowd control

[wraith sphinx]

zealot stun grenade but with a constant lingering effect

[deft stump]

Thus better.

Provides more per throw.

[wraith sphinx]

that I don't know

[potent echo]

new gameplay

[marble crater]

Voicework is probably the main reason we need to pay, which is fair

[deft stump]

The fact their 'nades pop on hitting ground is like... smoke needs that...

[potent echo]

the pubs not dodge slide sprinting from spawn, unrealistic

[wraith sphinx]

well yeah that's cause they aren't pubs

they're internal playtesters

[wraith sphinx]

3D modelling is also challenging and expensive to do right

[potent echo]

new shotgun doesnt have ads

will they finally fix old shotgun ADS damage

smite nade

[dense wolf]

Should not have drank that energy drink

[patent steeple]

professional 3D modelling? yes. Literally any hobbyist 3D modelling? no.

I have used blender to make 3D models for my hobby projects, so I think I personally belong in the latter type of 3D modelling.

[wraith sphinx]

The former was the implication, yes

[north hatch]

Damn the arbites gameplay reveal was pretty cool

[deft stump]

They play like they have only one hand on a controller though. Like, ppl can play better dozing off.

[north hatch]

So the revolver just has a special interaction where you can use it if you have the shield too I guess

[ornate hamlet]

I'd assume the special is aiming the revolver?

[upbeat kestrel]

its 2 separate weapons

[ornate hamlet]

Oh

[wraith sphinx]

Yes because the point is to show off the weapon models and animstions as much as possible to the audience

[north hatch]

Like the shield + mace and revolver are 2 seperate weapons?

[upbeat kestrel]

yes

[north hatch]

Yeah I realized that

But in the teaser the guy uses the revolver with the shield out so I'm assuming it's a special interaction only if you have both those weapons?

[upbeat kestrel]

shield and mace is one, the second one is revovler and shield

the shotpistol aint standalone iirc

[north hatch]

Oh

[upbeat kestrel]

i mya be very much be wrong

[north hatch]

Did I gaslight myself cause I went from thinking that the pistol + shield was another melee

Into thinking the pistol was just a ranged weapons

[upbeat kestrel]

its gonna be in the ranged slot

[north hatch]

Wait so you can have two shields?

[upbeat kestrel]

we will have 2 shield from what i gather

[north hatch]

:0

[upbeat kestrel]

one with mace the second one with pistol

[marble crater]

Ogryn players in shambles

[ornate hamlet]

Surely you can't run both tho

[upbeat kestrel]

verty much yes you can

[north hatch]

If one's in the ranged slot and ones in the melee then you would run both no?

[upbeat kestrel]

see the shot trailer againg

[upbeat kestrel]

yes

[north hatch]

I guess animation wise you'd just only switch your right hand weapon

And the shield would stay

[ornate hamlet]

Ah

[north hatch]

But if that's the case then I wonder how that'd work with skins

Cause if you had a different shield skin then it'd have to switch right?

But also more importantly

[upbeat kestrel]

if i made it melee shield skin would be prioritized

[upbeat kestrel]

nope wont happen

[ornate hamlet]

It's like that viking sheildmaiden* off the new predator movie

[north hatch]

What if you had a different skin equipped for both

Which one would it prioritize

[upbeat kestrel]

still melee

[potent echo]

i would rather take shield + shield and bolt + mace

make it happen fatshark!

[north hatch]

I wonder what the green light on the shield does

[ornate hamlet]

I think it may be to do w the charge

[potent echo]

maybe its some sort of charge mechanic where it runs out of battery if you swing too much

or jsut cosmetic

[north hatch]

Mayhaps

Would be cool if it was a Taser shield though

[potent echo]

could be too, like the current shockmaul talent

except its built in and tied to a resource

[wraith sphinx]

Didn't the shield crackle at some point in the gameplay clip.

[glacial vapor]

The shield does seem to have some kind of shock power, like the maul

[north hatch]

I didn't really watch the entire gameplay reveal I just sped through it so idk

[wraith sphinx]

@marble crater @plucky flax hi, up for an auric maelstrom mission today?

[marble crater]

Not today, I started BG3

[deft stump]

So, we'll see you in 3 months?

[plucky flax]

Still not home maybe tomorrow

[wraith sphinx]

All good, have fun gents

[marble crater]

No, 6

[deft stump]

Kay, next year June.

[strong gulch]

Bye fren. Miss you already.

[marble crater]

I only spent several hours in character creation and then I had to create a second character

[wraith sphinx]

Hi bean

[strong gulch]

Hi

[wraith sphinx]

Still being wracked by a migraine?

[strong gulch]

Same

[deft stump]

Ah. Yeah, so 3 months per char. I see.

[strong gulch]

When the second character turns out better than the first one.

[deft stump]

Time to remake first and start over.

[marble crater]

I looked up videos to make nice ones, because I suck. Made the first one, was happy. Then had to look up a second one, liked that better so I changed the first one again, made the second one like the original first one. Then I changed my mind and switched it again

[deft stump]

I'll see you in 3 years then.

[wraith sphinx]

I played through bg3 thrice, had tons of fun

My fave character ended up being the rogue/fighter hybrid I made for my final run

[upper sun]

Human
Male
two handed weapons
yup its gaming time

[marble crater]

John Baldur

[upper sun]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ej6VQ6IVgAA0yvE?format=jpg&name=large

[wraith sphinx]

Then I tried a 4th run on hard difficulty as palabard shart and got bored midway through when I realized the difficulty increase wasn't at all a challenge

[wraith sphinx]

Lol this sentiment is kind of insufferable

"Grrr why aren't you playing a Tiefling like me and my sizeable gang of contrarians?"

Piss off lmao

[upper sun]

me playing the default race in every game

[marble crater]

I feel called out already

[upper sun]

male soldier mass effect
male nord (dragon born)
male imperial (oblivion)

[summer timber]

i think its more its literally the most basic looking character ever, no facial hair or unique characteristics

John Baldur

[patent mango]

playing that guy must be so eepy lmao

[strong gulch]

I'd rather hit a random button than play John Balder.

[upper sun]

except cyberpunk fem V because the voice actress sounds hot

[summer timber]

i always play beast races, i like to experience fantasy racism and correct it accordingly

[upper sun]

opposite for me

[marble crater]

Femshep has better voice acting, so that's what I picked. I often pick based on what's the better voice acting, I have to listen to it for countless hours after all

[wraith sphinx]

I don't do that unless the "beast" race is outstandingly interesting, otherwise I prefer playing a human because that's what I'm comfortable with

[upper sun]

i played both fem shep and male shep there i dont see much of a difference

but fem V sounds great imo

[wraith sphinx]

Except I almost always go Jane Human unlike clad

[summer timber]

i liked Male V better than Fem V honestly

idk why but I liked Male V's casual tone, but Fem V also has her moments that are better than Male V

[upper sun]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfKKl18tnmY

yeah fem V sounds less monotone

[marble crater]

I was very happy with fem V

I had Johnny for a male voice anyway

[vernal temple]

Do you ever get this feeling that you're the binding material of your entire team?

Failed an auric maelstrom today (mutant and hound waves). We were going so great right until I got separated from the team by an unfortunate bomber grenade and got downed in an area the team couldn't backtrack to. Not even 10 meters away from where I died everyone else also folded and that was that.

🇱

[marble crater]

[upper sun]

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/PipXqiEcxZydbNLnmymRvZ-1200-80.jpg

what the fuck is this

[pearl viper]

ngl that ui looks pretty cool

[upper sun]

MALICE IS T2 NOW?

sedition is deleted @plucky flax filtered out of the game 😭

[plucky flax]

Sry :c

[vernal temple]

what is T5 then?

[upper sun]

auric damnation?

[vernal temple]

what even is that UI

[pearl viper]

sorry I ate sedition difficulty

[vernal temple]

ngl I hate how that UI looks. specially the green/red-ish glow around each mission frame. looks cheap like some chinese mobile game

[zealous mango]

So much green....

I hope that is still a WIP, i dont mind it but I kinda liked the entire hologram of the city

Also the twins mission is no longer tied to special assignement own tab?

[wraith sphinx]

I'm ngl I kinda like the garishness

I can tell I'll probably miss the old mission terminal though but it's w/e

[zealous mango]

I wonder if they are going to remove the special assignement so people can play the twins mission on the main board

We getting one new mission guys

[wraith sphinx]

fuck yes please do it fatshark

sequestering gamemodes and mission types in separate gay baby jails sucks

[marble crater]

Getting rid of some difficulties is good though, did we really need sedition and uprising?

[zealous mango]

Wait

[wraith sphinx]

tutorial difficulty is fine but having sedition and uprising both was really redundant

[zealous mango]

So they are removing the first two diffs and replace them with auric?

[plucky flax]

Ye I only play sedtion.

[wraith sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-funny-wtf-wth-jesse-gif-17336046

[analog agate]

All this means is Agent can’t play anymore

Rip

[hollow current]

difficulty where it's only bulwarks and trappers

[zealous mango]

5 diffs on the new board and malice is now diff 2

[wraith sphinx]

the only time I played sedition was the very first mission on my very first character when I still didn't know how to do anything

[marble crater]

[wraith sphinx]

honestly that would be cool yeah

[zealous mango]

Diff 1: Uprising
Diff 2: Malice
Diff 3: Heresy
Diff 4: Damnation
Diff 5: ??

[wraith sphinx]

tho if they're removing auric heresy I'm not sure how to feel about that

since auric heresy is containment for all the dogshit players who really should just stop playing

[analog agate]

Just want to bring up dark rituals spawns are great. Histg with havoc boss spawns

[patent mango]

sedition is kill??

😨

[prime elk]

Never thought about it thanks that way but makes sense tbh

[plucky flax]

I am going to have 100% loss rate in uprising now.

[marble crater]

I can carry you, 10€ per mission

[plucky flax]

No I'll just ask mr. unsanctioned.

[wraith sphinx]

I mean I've seen it and I've seen other people experience the same

auric heresy is like the hotspot for wastes of fresh air that will fumble the most elementary enemy encounters and call you vile slurs for not pocketing their unskilled asses

[ornate hamlet]

This is why I always do auric damnation

[plucky flax]

That's too hard.

[prime elk]

They should add an auric sedation

[plucky flax]

[glacial vapor]

Alright Satan, calm down

[ornate hamlet]

You’d be surprised. Most people playing auric damnation are pretty on the ball

[wraith sphinx]

yeah same

and auric maelstrom sometimes because it tends to have worse players than auric damnation

also currently on a 4/5 streak for ASS, don't want to risk it 🙏

[glacial vapor]

It's complete luck tbh. But Auric Heresy will absolutely throw you in full teams of malice gamers from time to time

[upper sun]

GET DOWN MADAM TRAPPER

[wraith sphinx]

I've never met a rude malice gamer

[upper sun]

I have

they were rude to me

(i was speedrunning and ignoring them)

[glacial vapor]

Lucky you

[fringe garden]

It's not too terribly hard to carry an auric Heresy. I enjoy it from time to time for just chilling out.

[glacial vapor]

Same, it's a fun challenge from time to time

[plucky flax]

Tomorrow evening I'll help you.

[wraith sphinx]

clutching is fun and rewarding but auric heresy is this anomalous difficulty full of ungrateful cunts for me

[plucky flax]

Ez maelstrom win.

[wraith sphinx]

thanks, looking forward to it 😄

[upper sun]

play ranged maelstrom with bubble

[wraith sphinx]

I don't want to play bubble psykerrrrrrrrrrrrr

[plucky flax]

I'll play most OP build in maelstrom (Surge staff creeping flames spam)

[upper sun]

i counterpicked every maelstrom for A.S.S.

[wraith sphinx]

I just wanna have a kino round with cool ppl from here!!

[upper sun]

monsters? thammer
ranged? bubble
hunting grounds? purge

[upper sun]

NO

[wraith sphinx]

wtf the fuck

😭

[upper sun]

no fun allowed

[wraith sphinx]

you are one evil creature

[rigid sky]

Auric heresy is a fun ride sometimes

Lots of meat to cut through but none of it especially threatening besides the usual trappers

(Because usually 1 trapper hits you at any point in the mission ever = You Have Failed The Emperor)

[strong gulch]

Clad is either nice and caring or says we can't have fun. Those are the two versions.

Unless Lore Clad also counts.

[exotic tulip]

Do the other classes have a 4 man team exclusive dialogue?

[dusky crag]

yep

[upper sun]

ive only seen psyker and vet have those

i had an all ogryn team that was silent all mission

but i guess that counts too

not a single thought

[exotic tulip]

They concentrating

Rubbing their collective 2 brain cells together to kill heretics

[hardy delta]

thats 3

[exotic tulip]

True but they specifically state there are only psykers on the team

[hardy delta]

oh really?

are blunts - "not-psykers"?

[exotic tulip]

Not a blunt in sight, but they're not talking about weed

[hardy delta]

yeah i get it

i wasnt sure about other meaning

[wraith sphinx]

yes

[strong gulch]

Too many trying to share the brain cell.

[spice oar]

thats rad i havent seen that before

[exotic tulip]

Yeah I was really suprised

also 4 psyker is really fun

[jovial juniper]

4 psyker is either frame 1 team wipe

Or total annihilation of anything that spawns

[wraith sphinx]

last all psyker game I played was just insta deletion of everything on auric damnation

was a pleasant surprise

[burnt frigate]

Buddy and I found that stacking the two versions of the shield, the electric one in the middle of the bubble, basically shuts down ranged and melee that survives just halts when kited through. I've never had an issue with multiple Psykers.

[exotic tulip]

If they can deal with crushers its all good, but that takes a voidblast/strike staff

[burnt frigate]

? Clear chaff, charge force sword, hold it still for someone to beat upon.

[exotic tulip]

I mean the strongest crusher is the one you don't see because of all the fire

[burnt frigate]

Ha it's on whitefire too! I can see it even better now!

[exotic tulip]

Everything in front of him is, and he's slipppery sliding his way to your postal code

[burnt frigate]

My butt is permanently connected to the floor with my Psyker. Rub them cheeks to charge fire better.

but yeah multiple crushers is the issue. I've resorted to just force sword pushing them while keeping them all grouped up.

If nobody else can free themselves to help you by then you deserve to not finish.

[exotic tulip]

I'm the one guy who doesn't think the voidblast is bad out of my friend group. But then I also know how to play with it, great for rescuing people and blowing things up around corners and slopes.

And it just kinda makes crushers crawl along the floor until they die.

But also then dogs

[analog agate]

VB used to take a really good roll to work well. And VB also takes some skill to use. Probably why people don’t like it

[ornate hamlet]

I love my blast staff. Will stagger literally anything. Its incredible!

[analog agate]

It is still meta

[ornate hamlet]

Pair it with FGS for lulz

[exotic tulip]

I tried out the FGS that stabs, and I don't like it, also couldn't find a good horde clear combo for it.

[ornate hamlet]

That’s the mk 3 I think yeah?

The othe mark is better for horde clear. But your stabby one is great for crushers, bosses, mixed hordes with ragers, etc

Just depends on what you wanna do

[analog agate]

Mk6

[exotic tulip]

It feels like the 6 is fine for ragers and mixed hordes though especially with its repeated overheads., and bosses are the job of the zealot who enjoys deleting them.

[ornate hamlet]

That’s it

[deft stump]

Impossible to aim on controller, IDK how SuTv does it.

[exotic tulip]

How did we get Illisi, Obscurus, and The good stabby name one, but then two covenant FGS.

Do the staves even have a Brand/Manufacturer name attached? I've forgotten

[strong gulch]

Do you mean the lore behind them?

IDK about warhammer lore.

[exotic tulip]

Nah just if they've got a full name besides Voidblast Force Staff

[strong gulch]

VB's full name is Equinox Mk III Voidblast Force Staff.

Voidblast is the memorable part. The standout part.

[deft stump]

Some ppl still confuse the Blast and Strike. XD

[exotic tulip]

Yeah, I still call them by their old names, electrokinetic, purgatus.

[strong gulch]

Obscurus Mk II Blaze Force Sword = obscurus

There was a big renaming that happened.

It was bad.

I still call VB trauma and EK surge.

[exotic tulip]

Is there any good use of the obscurus btw? Cause it feels like Illisi or the ... stabby one are quite good at what they do

[strong gulch]

Yeah. OB has strong single target damage but also has horde combos. It's got better mobility than FGS.

[deft stump]

I mean, the staff that traumatises everyone is named Trauma.

[jovial juniper]

It's their planet/moon of origin

Deimos is one of Mars moon

[strong gulch]

If you want an allrounder that isn't FGS but still have access to delfector, OB is the choice.

BUT if you want more CC and simplicity, then deimos is also there.

illis needs a buff

[exotic tulip]

Ahh, judging by psykers being so Important I wonder if any of the others are in the Sol System

[upper sun]

next update:
illisi is called deimos and deimos is called illisi to "avoid confusion"

[exotic tulip]

Changing the Marks of the ranged weapons was the absolute most confusing because there's still no method to it right

not like the higher marks are the higher RoF ones

Cause the Infantry Las 12 isn't the 12 anymore

[dusk pasture]

is there any secret mechanic or reason to full charge inferno staff?

like i dont know more dmg or more crit chance or more stack apply by full charged?

[ornate hamlet]

A full charge will delete jsut about anything in seconds I find. Even crushers go down quick

[analog agate]

I rarely full charge. Usually half to 3/4

[brazen compass]

Krourk pattern cleaver because only the best and shiniest knife belongs to the toughest and meanest Ogryns

[strong gulch]

Full charge on inferno takes time and is not necessarily better 50% or 60% charges. It can be nice to open up with a full when a new group is still some ways away.

Otherwise it's unsafe or takes to much time to full charge.

That is also specific to inferno.

Other staves want full charges more than inferno does.

[dusk pasture]

thanks

[brazen rampart]

The kicker with inferno is maximizing blaze away value. More charge = more time at max stacks = more damage.

[dusk pasture]

well yes but if even when i hold rmb to charge and fast click lmb to fire i have them full i mostly spam that way

this way i still have 5 stacks and still dont waste time to charge it to more then half

is there any mod that will tell me how much stack i have from inferno i already use healthbars mod but it dont work with that staff

[plucky flax]

Repeated overhead is the 8. The 6 is an overhead and a stab.

[rigid sky]

mark 8 fgs is excellent vs crushers too

[plucky flax]

The 6 has better sustained single target damage.

Because you just keep stabbing.

[rigid sky]

6 is better but 8 is still very good

[plucky flax]

Yus.

If you're really pro you play the 6.

[rigid sky]

does the 6 reliably oneshot crushers on damnation with the stab and sg/dd?

[plucky flax]

If you're zealot you play 8

[jovial juniper]

Show Debuff mod or whatever the name

[rigid sky]

because the overheads do crushers in 2 at least

but stabbing better vs monsters for sure I guess

[plucky flax]

If you take 25 dd stacks then yeah the stab is 1 shot on the 6.

[rigid sky]

ooh

now that's tempting

[plucky flax]

And you can keep dd stacks when fighting monsters with infernus gun.

Fire tick will keep dd up.

Then you just spam heavy. If the stab happens to be a headshot crit it's bonker damage on the 6.

My best was like 14k damage on a bonbon weakspot through its mouth.

[prime elk]

Wrong on the first point, correct on the second

[plucky flax]

I only see mk6 in havoc tbf.

Maybe mk8 is more popular in non havoc.

[prime elk]

Mk6 better on staffker mk 8 better on gunker

[plucky flax]

Why? I play gun with 6

[prime elk]

If I'm playing staffker I want to be able to whip my melee out mostly to wreck crushers

If I'm playing gunker my melee is out 80 percent of the time and mk8 has noticeably better horde clear

And the single target burst damage is better as well, though requires setup

[strong gulch]

I tend to favor FGS 8 because the lights are little faster. I have slow reaction time and don't swap max. That is the only reason.

[wraith sphinx]

I use the fgs mark that has the strikedown heavy

for crushers and such

[prime elk]

Don't they both have access to strike downs?

[brazen rampart]

Both of them have strikedowns.

Mk6 alternates a strikedown and a poke, mk8 alternates strikedowns.

[wraith sphinx]

The one whose first heavy attack is a strikedown

[strong gulch]

6

I thought it was a "both good" comment at first.

[wraith sphinx]

👍 thanks I can't for the life of me remember mark names

[brazen rampart]

6 has the poke in the standard moveset, 8 has the poke after the push attack. That's how you remember them.

[cosmic sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-math-math-cat-numbers-cat-funny-gif-13385485103134761656

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/doug-maclean-nhl-hockey-stats-statistics-gif-13408391465163304912

[indigo plank]

Mmmm Mk6 push light into H3, throw bees, reset into light combo

Oh no, carapace! BONK + Poke, continue singing showtunes

[uncut sinew]

obscurus melee supremacy

[indigo plank]

The poke can one shot reapers

When you’re scrying ur gaze

[strong gulch]

Simply grow another hand and dual wield.

[uncut sinew]

i could but i won't

too lazy

[indigo plank]

Imagine dual wielding obscurus and illisi

[uncut sinew]

prefer mi obscurus

i like the moveset more

fgs superior though

[indigo plank]

Respect, I liked how brainless the illisi was

[uncut sinew]

obscurus more fun

[strong gulch]

imagine illisi getting a buff

[uncut sinew]

well, better atleast

[uncut sinew]

[indigo plank]

Obscurus def better

Thab illisi, not FGS

[uncut sinew]

fgs better dmg, obscurus more mobile and decent dmg

faster too

[indigo plank]

I love having choices

[uncut sinew]

yes

[indigo plank]

What is best in slot

Who needs her

[uncut sinew]

obscurus goated melee in H40

[indigo plank]

Voidstrike bowling

[uncut sinew]

that's all i gotta say

[uncut sinew]

love it

[indigo plank]

As much as I love zealot, psyker just has so many more toys to play with

[uncut sinew]

voidstrike is viable in H40, just needs a competent team, really hard to solo clutch with voidstrike in H40

[indigo plank]

Zealot it’s like “Do I take chastise, or do I kill myself?”

Unless you’re book slaving high hav

[uncut sinew]

zealot is the easiest class in havoc, next to ogryn

[indigo plank]

I still gotta respec my Ogryn after the rework

I made him a godroll stubber last week and when I saw the tree had reset I went “AW BOY IM NOT FEELING THAT AFTER WORK”

Now I’m just vibrating with excitement waiting for poreeceman

[uncut sinew]

yeah the ogryn tree rework was something when i first encoutered it

[strong gulch]

VALID.

I only use brain power for psyker.

[uncut sinew]

lots of new builds to try

[uncut sinew]

bubble obscurus

[strong gulch]

not for me

[uncut sinew]

my beloved <3

[strong gulch]

maybe one day

[uncut sinew]

maybe.

it is only for the chosen few.

[strong gulch]

but combos are bad for my brain

[uncut sinew]

H1, L2 and L3 for single target

[strong gulch]

I know them

[uncut sinew]

yesh

i like obscurus the most because it doesn't need the special attack to be powerful

[strong gulch]

However, I lack the hand strength and dexterity needed to chain heavies on DS4 consistently and I have a brain thing that makes recognizing animation changes really difficult to recognize.

So simple weapons that don't have super fast clicking it is.

[indigo plank]

Pfft why can’t everything be Branx pickaxe combo

I played hito back in FH because I cba to learn combos that you never even fully string together

Only combo was heby into heby mixed up with the occasional kick in the balls

[brazen warren]

mk8 fgs push into stab chonks crushers

satisfying

[vivid scaffold]

Is there a Ressource for optimal weapon combos?

[brazen compass]

Each class has a guide in the pins that tell the optimal weapon combos for said class

[analog agate]

Path is making a big ass ultimate vet guide that will include weapon combos

For psyker specific you can just search this chat

[vivid scaffold]

@brazen compass Is it the Atheneum? Because the attack string pictures there are so little and I can't open them in another tab, 'cause steam throws an error everytime q.q

[brazen compass]

Yeah that fucking sucks lemme see

yikes

What weapon are you curious about in particular?

[strong gulch]

It usually works. IDK why there's an error.

Is it steam? Is it the post?

[brazen compass]

Clicking on the images in the Steam post throws up that error

[strong gulch]

Copying images works tho.

[brazen compass]

However if I open the image in another tab it takes me to Imgur - yeah

[strong gulch]

@vivid scaffold Which one you want? I can just copy and paste it here.

[vivid scaffold]

Force Sword

[strong gulch]

Force sword attack string chart

Note: attack string for OB is not updated.

FGS attack string chart

[vivid scaffold]

And yeah the open image in new tab works - I always access steam guides through steam directly where you can't do this

Thanks for the help :)

[strong gulch]

New tab isn't working for me, but I'm using the web site for the guide.

[vivid scaffold]

In a web browser "Open Image in new Tab" went to imugr (Image not Link)

[strong gulch]

Yeah, mine just poops another error.

Back to combos. OB is not updated for the newer moveset.

And honestly, after you get slaughter stacks up for illisi you can just light spam and toss a special in every so often. Illisi doesn't have many builds, and its most popular build doesn't use it for for main the main horde clear option.

[zinc phoenix]

Wow that’s way prettier than the old one. You planning to make a guide with this stuff?

[strong gulch]

These are Pygex's charts. I have no plans to make any tbh.

[vivid scaffold]

Why do some psykers spam LMB with inferno instead of channeling?

[strong gulch]

LMB has a lot more stagger and it's faster.

EDIT: By faster I mean the time it take to attack and to stagger is faster on LMB. LMB doesn't need to be charged nor is it dependent on blaze away stacks in order to stagger maulers.

Quell cancel used to make LMB apply SB stacks faster, but since that is gone for staves, it's no longer true.

Some do seem to think that LMB all of the time is better, but that seems to be from either the hold over from the pre quell cancel nerf, misinformation, or both.

Not too long ago, someone was in here saying that LMB killed monsters faster. That isn't true.

The time difference isn't huge, but it was still not true.

[fringe garden]

LMB is a valuable tool in the tookit of inferno

need to put space between you and a pack of ragers and you dont have time to do much of anything? LMB spam saves the day.

[strong gulch]

ye

[indigo plank]

Inferno M1 is how I cope with FGS push being nerfed

I miss being able to peek a boo bulwark shields

[patent mango]

whar?

[strong gulch]

What nerf?

I'm not aware of the FGS push, push attack, or special cleave being nerfed.

[indigo plank]

I think it happened while I was gone

It used to be able to open bulwarks and stop ragers

[strong gulch]

A bit ago bulwark shields themselves were changed; the blocking or something like that for the bulwark shield is more "accurate" to the actual shape of the shield. So you can't use DS special poke through it but inferno can get the arms and feet the stick out.

FGS and force sword PA can open bulwarks,

[prime elk]

FGS only came out recently too

[indigo plank]

Hmm, seemed like it wasn’t when I played last weekend

[prime elk]

It takes Fatshart at least two years to make any sort of balancing changes

[indigo plank]

I also looked silly when a rager ate 3/4 of my health because the push wasn’t stopping him

[strong gulch]

There is a stagger immunity window after bigger staggers.

That's been a thing for a long time tho

[prime elk]

Yeah that's a big one

[indigo plank]

Yeah I used to notice it when trying to chain push them with FGS before

I’ll play a bit tonight and see if I notice it. I’ve just started bringing trauma because despite being 2 years into the game’s life, some groups still don’t take anything to deal with carapace

And while FGS can just two tap everything, it’s nice to just hold a doorway or ledge while your human AI blast away at the pox

[prime elk]

War never changes

[indigo plank]

Saw a comment online where someone was whinging that in Darktide, “everyone has to be a Swiss Army knife”

Read: I wanna shoot chaff with my las and let everybody else deal with the enemies that require higher brain functions

I feel like you have to worry more about your loadout in Helldivers for when the director goes “oops medium armor spewers”

[strong gulch]

Unless you're doing something with a premade or are committed to memes, yes, you should have an answer to everything. That doesn't mean you have to kill everything yourself at all times.

If you wonder off, have to clutch, or end up alone and don't have a way to deal with a problem then you're fecked.

But if you just wanna vibe, that's cool but know that you might need to go down a difficulty or something if you don't want to be under pressure.

[ornate hamlet]

And even if you have an idea of what you’re doing, sometimes it still won’t be enough 😂

[strong gulch]

Sometimes it's the server and sometimes I forgot what my jump button is.

[fringe garden]

Or if you notice an ally that is particularly good at handling ranged elites, maybe stop worrying about them, divert your attention elsewhere

[strong gulch]

Ye

commits even harder to BB for some unhinged reason

[weary idol]

No not really. Helldivers are so much stronger than the enemies that swiss army knife builds are not only the strongest ones, but they trivialize the gameplay loop

[fringe garden]

rofl

[weary idol]

You can specialize, but why would you when there's a generalist option that's just as good at that specialty, and also does everything else

[blissful pulsar]

Whats the second dueling sword blessing you grab (not a gaze build)?

[fringe garden]

Well, and I think even more importantly you will usually have a "best option" for a particular enemy type in your loadout. Why would you need another option that handles that enemy type but not as strong? You might as well fill that slot with a weapon that is good against whatever your other weapon isn't.

[blissful pulsar]

Uncanny strike + ?

Precog, Riposte, and shred all seem pretty decent

[fringe garden]

Have armor killer weapon, have horde killer weapon, hope for one of the two to be decent at bosses

The formula is not complex lol

[verbal thistle]

Precog + riposte/uncanny is default for all builds and all characters

[weary idol]

or you have one weapon that's good at both and not even a support weapon I.E Crossbow, Purifier, Eruptor, Torcher, Double Edged Sickle

[blissful pulsar]

And which MK is the good one? I normally don't use it (greatsword) but greatsword is pain when using left tree so swapping weapons

[indigo plank]

Because it’s all fun and games rocking a GL + supply pack until you can’t do shit to Leviathans lol

[fringe garden]

Im a DES enjoyer myself

[strong gulch]

Pretty much. Uncanny is the anchor then crit blessings. Thrust if muties are you enemy. Some like agile.

[fringe garden]

Never leave home without it

[strong gulch]

I'm a precog hater tho

[weary idol]

Nobody can do shit to Leviathans if they aren't using specifically the Anti Tank Emplacement

[analog agate]

I use precog for bossing

[indigo plank]

And so I happily welcome the opportunity to use the AT chair I otherwise never use

[fringe garden]

There is a certain level of on your shit that precog requires to get the most out of it that I just can't commit to

If you dont attack within 2 seconds of the dodge, tis wasted. I just.. I just can't commit to that lol.

[weary idol]

It desperately needs to be nerfed, but the devs are scared to nerf things so it ain't ever gonna happen

[strong gulch]

I don't like how many conditions are attached to precog. It is strong, BUT needing agro (plus successfully performing a dodge) and the short window can feck off.

[indigo plank]

At least with Moebian 21st your swords don’t become completely worthless, hordes just take a bit longer to chunk through

In Helldivers you’ll find yourself emptying an entire drum magazine into an enemy if you don’t have sufficient penetration

Precog just auto proc’s from spam dodging near the horde, silly

[fringe garden]

Im sure I would naturally get plenty of attacks off within the window in the course of a match if I never thought about it. But I would think about it. And thinking about it would make me screw up. That's just a my skill issue, but still.

[indigo plank]

Problem may be overthinking it the same way people used to overthink warp stacks

[fringe garden]

I actively manage my attention. And I sometimes will take a numerical nerf for whatever attention span that nerf affords me

[indigo plank]

You don’t need 100% uptime on your max butt kicking state, it just comes in waves

[fringe garden]

It's just being aware of how I play games, lol

[strong gulch]

I still remember someone proclaiming precog supremacy with a video, but the buff was never active when they were stabbing. lmao

[indigo plank]

We’re ludicrously powerful, don’t feel like you gotta go full Korean MMO lest your team have a bird lol

And if they do, they’re wieners

[fringe garden]

You're not wrong

[indigo plank]

Always the dead ones crying the loudest

I’m gonna laugh when Arbites has been out for ~6 months or so and getting new new players who pick it up not know they can actually command the dog

“Oh I thought he just fucked up nearby dudes and saved me lmao”

[fringe garden]

I'm looking forward to being the only psyker on my teams for a while

[indigo plank]

It’s gonna be near hearing so many unique interactions that way

[fringe garden]

Maybe a tutorial will tell people about the targeting thing

[strong gulch]

It will be done badly and no one will pay attention.

[indigo plank]

If you’re lucky enough to get all different personalities it means that’s a chance you get unique psyker dialogue with all of them

[fringe garden]

Oh ye of (justifiably) little faith.

[indigo plank]

“Hey this is how you dodge bullets. NOW SLIDE ACROSS THE BRIDGE TO DEMONSTRATE YOU UNDERSTAND THIS”

[strong gulch]

THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST THINKING OF

[fringe garden]

lol

[strong gulch]

lol

[indigo plank]

Half the player base holds shift running directly at gunner wall

“Man I hate gunners”

[fringe garden]

Im dying

[indigo plank]

https://tenor.com/view/what-monkey-gif-13406329

[strong gulch]

The game also making you run perpendicular to gun fire.

[fringe garden]

Yeah and why would anyone guess that

[indigo plank]

Sliding: Pauses stamina drain, dodges bullets, feels cool

Playerbase: “when was the last time somebody mopped this floor”

[fringe garden]

Bro we mop it constantly

Those floors are the cleanest, surely

[indigo plank]

The veterans lick it clean as they’re corpsedragged through the mission

[strong gulch]

To be fair, that part of the tutorial doesn't seem notice that you've ran through gunfire consistently. So if the tutorial is not going to pay attention, I can't blame the players too much.

[fringe garden]

Every square inch of every map has been meticulously slid upon

[indigo plank]

Game also doesn’t force you to actually do the Advanced Psykanium tutorial

Which is the one that teaches you how to dodge overheads

[fringe garden]

It doesn't even encourage you to do it

They should add some exp reward or some crap to doing it the first time

[indigo plank]

Too many bad friends tell their buddies “just skip the tutorial let’s go power level you through aurics”

[fringe garden]

Or just force them. This is the kind of authoritarianism that is acceptable.

[indigo plank]

“Before you’re allowed to represent this Inquisition you must learn how to conduct yourself”

[strong gulch]

It's even slowed down to ridiculous low speeds. If you wait long enough, the game gives up on you.

[indigo plank]

“Dodge the crusher, reject”

[indigo plank]

That’s so sad oh my god lmao

Honestly the prologue needs to have Zola scream at you, “CONSERVE THOSE BULLETS, ANY SURPLUS IS BEING FIRED AT US” rather than just letting players magdump 7 pox with a brautogun

Do the slowmo zoom thing as a sniper or bomber comes out and force the player to shoot them

[strong gulch]

The way psyker doesn't have a shovel...

[indigo plank]

“Specialists will fuck up your team. Try to kill them quickly before they can do harm”

[indigo plank]

Zealot gets it taken away after prologue

Arguably more hilarious

[strong gulch]

Yeah it is. lmao

[indigo plank]

“Oh did you enjoy that? Nice. Here’s a devils claw”

[strong gulch]

makes even less sense

[indigo plank]

Priests are overqualified to dig trenches and latrines I guess

[strong gulch]

Vets have a secret "trick out my shovel" class.

[indigo plank]

Gonna laugh when Arbites is restricted from using DS

Meta slaves gonna have to be thematic and have FUN

[strong gulch]

U right. They'll get a better DS somehow. They will get 5s precog for some reason.

[indigo plank]

I love how a lotta folks are already like “If you take lone wolf and abandon your dog, you’re dead to us”

I hope the shotgun is gnarly

Praying for combat shotties to get some love in the update too

Having vets with incen shells, Arbites with shock shells, and zealot with slugs

Wizard just smokes a lesser god with a crit boosted DB

[raven mountain]

They've said that they had to buff combat shotguns with the arbites shotguns being so good.

But all we've seen afaik is some Sedition content one-shots.

[indigo plank]

IGN actually got their best player to do the new Dynasty Warriors demo and he smoked Lu Bu

[prime elk]

watching the gameplay video

[indigo plank]

I wanna see Arbites doing some sweaty shit, not heavy spamming a cspawn with the Ogryn moveset

[prime elk]

this is some game journalist shit

and they're prob playing on malice lmao

[indigo plank]

Lower, it’s sedition

Hordes aren’t big enough for malice

As…ironic as that is to say lol

It’s like 6 pox at a time

When the poor nugget gets hit in the back sprinting up the stairs at a lone scab shooter I nearly cried

[prime elk]

i really hope the arbites shield weapons don't get only two dodges like the ogryn one lol

because i assume the arbites shield won't be able to eat overheads for breakfast like the ogryn one

[indigo plank]

Curious to see if Arbites update will make block eff a worthwhile blessing

[prime elk]

(it won't)

[indigo plank]

Curious to see what the Castigator’s Stance feels like

How fast can we get the cop

I know it def won’t happen but imagine if similar to Psyker you could stack enough speed buffs to outrun the dog

[long wharf]

with the Arbites gameplay video put out today, does it seem like none of the players are pinging anything?

looks like Sedition difficulty, too

there's no audible callouts where the player is giving the dog orders

or maybe because they disabled the HUD, no pings are happening, either

[blissful solar]

they probably dont want to get a bunch of voice lines played that arent relevant to the showcase

[blissful solar]

after watching it again even with the auspex out they couldnt see a scannable prop's holographic outline, which i believe is basically the same thing as the spotting/pinging outline

[indigo plank]

HUD off seemed like an intentional choice to keep things like ult UD, ammo reserves, etc under wrap until everything’s where they want it

They also put the obligatory “this is old gameplay, things may look different from the release build” message at the bottom

I’m sad that the one time you see the shock mines being used it’s holding back an entire wave, across the room up the stairs and the player just hucks a frag at them

[patent mango]

the arbites gameplay vid's pov player used their ability like once

lmao

[analog agate]

You guys have convinced me not to watch it

[raven mountain]

Like, they don't need to have Ainz or someone playing, but couldn't they at least give some Damnation gameplay, something with a bit of density to actually show off what the class does?

I mean, player difficulty density aside, I think it's way more impressive to see them shield charge a wall of crushers/maulers and put them down than to run around and shotgun single walkers and shit.

New players could be like, whoa, I could buy the class and do that! And established players could actually get an idea of what the class looks like in practice.

[mental grail]

Don't

I watched it

Bro showcased the new class on fucking sedition

[mental grail]

The most dogshit gameplay I've seen

Not a mark on the class, but that could have been gameplay from any class with how bland it was

[patent mango]

basically yeah

[prime elk]

Sedation gameplay

[mental grail]

gameplay made me want to be sedated

[blissful solar]

i feel like they should've done like a fully edited video

[mental grail]

That would be neat, but all Fatshark had to do was get one of their employees who actually know how to play the fucking game, and throw that shit on heresy or damnation.

[patent jacinth]

We'll get actual gameplay when the embargo drops and the playtesters drop their solo runs

[mental grail]

They pulled an employee with severe carpal tunnel and put him in front of the PC.

[potent echo]

They probably saving that for the content creators (me giving them benefit of the doubt) 🫠

The promo video would be really funny if they all died to 9 bulwarks at the start of the drop

[brazen compass]

Wrecking crew!

[sinful olive]

Point of the extended gameplay was to show some of the new toys/voice lines, which it did. If they had intense waves of enemies it'd be hard for anyone aside from the players already familiar with the game at that level to see wtf is even happening. I'll agree it's boring but a lot of game companies do the same exact thing.

There is a sizeable part of the player base that stays at the lowest three difficulties as well

their gameplay is... a sight to behold.

[prime elk]

yeah tbh i bet the vast majority of watchers weren't bothered by how shit the gameplay was

it's mostly us discord sweats

[brazen compass]

True..

And then they want to push higher, so they go to YouTube/Reddit, get bad advice, attempt to push higher difficulties, get flamed out of them, come here, ask for advice and get laughed at, and the cycle continues

[sinful olive]

Maybe it's true for all classes but good god the amount of bad advice for psyker builds specifically feels wild

simply haven't looked on youtube/anywhere else aside from the discord for builds/class advice for all the others

[brazen compass]

https://tenor.com/view/green-mile-im-tired-boss-michael-clarke-duncan-gif-2375696290766999196

[nocturne dust]

Those are like unicorns.

and maybe not applicable to the majority of Darktide players

[strong gulch]

Thanks for convincing me not to waste 7 minutes.

[raven mountain]

But don't you know about the blazing spirit FGS + Souldrinker synergy so you can get that juicy 5% extra crit chance so you can burn more heretics with your fire sword?

And you go 1 point in EP so you can get the empowered Kinetic Flayer, and you'll get it to proc from all that soulblaze!

[strong gulch]

😭

[zinc phoenix]

We actually give guide usually, not flaming

[sinful olive]

[zinc phoenix]

I have decided to buy the arbies

[raven mountain]

Flaming usually only happens when people are obstinate.

[zinc phoenix]

The gameplay video showed me the shock mine and I can think of many funny things to do with that

[raven mountain]

Comes to talk about their build and argues about how it's not bad and it is better or whatever.

[zinc phoenix]

Plus dog ate a mauler

[indigo plank]

I just wanted them to actually show more cool stuff off, but the only time you see something new line the shock mines the player immediately just hucks a frag at the wall of enemies and starts spamming shield bash heavies on a cspawn who’s health bar we couldn’t even see

[zinc phoenix]

Dog ate a mauler

Dog

Ate

A

Mauler

That sold me right there that’s good shit 👍

[indigo plank]

Fair does

[zinc phoenix]

Like yeah I could do that to a dozen with my psyker but

[indigo plank]

If they wanted to show off how well the class can fight a monstrosity, I just think we kinda gotta see the health bars otherwise it’s no different than shield bashing the wall

[zinc phoenix]

Dog ate a mauler

[indigo plank]

And cspawn is like, the worst monstro to fight anyways

[zinc phoenix]

I’m pretty sure I saw a dog go for a mutie

If they can eat muties too money well spent

[indigo plank]

I wanted to see what that PCG article said where the dog just counts to the Plogryn’s shoulder and flails around lol

I think they said outright the dog will save you from other dogs and muties

[zinc phoenix]

I read the dog eats dogs

[indigo plank]

In the initial reveal, which made me wonder about trapper nets

Sadly dog is too dumb to bite the net

[zinc phoenix]

Nets are too powerful for dogs, must equip rat

[sinful olive]

I had to sit through a certain youtuber saying empyric resolve was dogshit/noob trap for psyker, thankfully that was in the first video I found by them which meant I could ignore everything else they put out/block their channel

[indigo plank]

Ogryn need to be able to just palm a poxhound’s skull tbh

Watching them get jumped is always a lil silly lol

[indigo plank]

Idc if anyone calls it noobish, ER is like essential to play Surge without killing yourself

[raven mountain]

I've seen so much back and forth on it that I don't even bother listening anymore. If it makes sense, I'll use it. If I'm not comfy, I won't.

[indigo plank]

Otherwise you only get like 3 channels and start tweaking

[raven mountain]

At least now the other skill actually works, so it feels less bad to skip it.

[zinc phoenix]

Surge smite was meta for like over a year without empyric resolve existing

[raven mountain]

Just had to bother quelling, lol.

[zinc phoenix]

Shriek power

[sinful olive]

Sure, it's not ideal in every build, but saying it's straight bad is just misleading and denying the INSANE benefit it has.

[zinc phoenix]

It’s a havoc trait but idk that I even want it there

[indigo plank]

As a zealot who never goes into a mission without Thy Farts Be Swift, yeah

[plucky flax]

You can get bad advices here too dont worry

[indigo plank]

Monster Hunter does wonders for the mentality as well

“Fuck your meta, I’m taking comfy shit”

[sinful olive]

I'm sure, but more often than not I've been led in the right direction

[sinful olive]

🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏

Vampire gunlance until I die

[indigo plank]

Psyker has a lot of weird shit involved and a lot of traits interact with each other (IMO) more so than other classes

[raven mountain]

Hadn't looked in awhile, and I only have 1 of 10 builds that runs ER. Of course, I only have 2 builds going WC, lol.

[indigo plank]

I’ve got my gunker, staff crutch, and shield bitch loadouts

Staff crutch is just trauma for CIVI

[plucky flax]

Some unsanctioned guy is pushing bubble knight meme for havoc but the build is so bad and hard to play

[indigo plank]

I’ll change up the weapons but I dare not touch the trees. I already feel like I wouldn’t trade anything I’ve got right now

[zinc phoenix]

Agent playing both sides so he always comes out on top 🙏

[raven mountain]

What, FGS+Bubble, with what? Scrier's?

[indigo plank]

Toughest part about bubble is trying to remember you have the CDR from left tree because I never fuckin use it lol

I fell in love with Gazer long ago and it’s just so fun

[plucky flax]

No gaze obviously if it's with bubble

[raven mountain]

duh

Just trying to imagine what makes it a knight

dd?

[plucky flax]

Have bubble have big sword. Funny goofy build

[indigo plank]

Prolly just beeg sword

[raven mountain]

That's it?

Seems like a flimsy theme, but whatev.

[plucky flax]

Its some weird melee build

[raven mountain]

If it's fun for them.

[indigo plank]

“Rah deus vult” they’re not creative people

[raven mountain]

I did do a bubble fgs bleed spam build when there were multiple psykers, but it wasn't -good-

[sinful olive]

The way I feel about ER specifically for crit staff builds is that it allows me to comfortably stay in high peril and get the most out of warp nexus with the least amount of downtime while nuking everything down. Didn't notice the toughness regen difference much at all when I didn't use it, but I sure as fuck noticed the difference in peril gen.

[indigo plank]

I’m just glad the M1 staff macro is dead and buried

[sinful olive]

same

[indigo plank]

Surge was just cooler smite but you got shit for using it because people were shitters

[sinful olive]

I like m1 surge spam to a point, but the macro shit was too much.

[indigo plank]

Honestly I clawed my way through low level psyker thanks to surge M2 with ER as soon as I could reach it

I don’t think I got a decent Purg staff for a while so I was just crutching Surge until I maxed out

[plucky flax]

Surge is good in havoc too.

[indigo plank]

Pre-FGS days too so it was just using the FS for style and staff because shmoney

[plucky flax]

Just no bubble for team but i'm sure they can manage.

[indigo plank]

They can hardly manage WITH the bubble

[plucky flax]

[sinful olive]

If I'm in with 3 randoms it's bubble all day.

[indigo plank]

I’m sitting there chasing down groups of gunners with my M1 and the veteran just picks his nose until the shield is whittled down by one shooter behind us

[sinful olive]

and the friends I play with just are not ready yet for 40s.

[plucky flax]

I host my own game so if I want to run creeping flames surge it's too bad for them.

[sinful olive]

so more bubble

[indigo plank]

Godspeed. Both groups of friends I played with never made it to Damnation

Current group can at least somewhat survive heresy but not the first

[mental grail]

We give them good advice, it's the actual players in-game that will flame the fuck out of him.

[sinful olive]

I got three friends that can handle themselves in normal damnation. Auric maelstroms get sketchy, but doable most the time. highest havoc with them I think is 27?

[indigo plank]

I have the same problem with Group 2.

Psyker player will run 2 rooms ahead and die alone, Veteran will get dogged/mutie chain tossed 2 rooms back because he’s sniffing every square inch for ammo

War never changes.

[sinful olive]

My main problem is I play meme shit and dive like a dumbass and get myself killed while we're listening to our super secret ogryn vibe spotify playlist

screaming lyrics and acting like chimps

I save the sweating for the randoms

[indigo plank]

My new newbie vets are also melee averse like the old one to which…I’m trying to break the habit in them but it’s hard to be like “Look homie I know it’s frustrating but you gotta get used to engaging the chaff in melee”

[mental grail]

Darktide players watching the noob on their team get assfucked by crushers instead of helping them

[ripe obsidian]

Ha. I hit an H40 Reaper with 3 brain bursts and it didn't drop, so I figured I had space to run up and stab it while it was staggered, since my zealot was moving up too. I miscalculated. It didn't die or stagger, and I was like, "Oh no. I have made a mistake." 100 -> 0 in <1 second

[indigo plank]

Pointing out sound queues is such a huge thing I didn’t realize because I’ve played for so long

[plucky flax]

I die to reaper in 0.2s so you survived longer than me.

[ripe obsidian]

It was very funny. Even if it almost cost us the match.

Someone else went down trying to revive me.

[sinful olive]

I run trauma for this exact reason with the friend team because one of them is a babby psyker who spams smite and cosplays as a high striker carnival game for all the crusher hammers.

[mental grail]

Wait wdym by this

do people not know the ominous howling means dog?

[sinful olive]

newer players/non sweats don't recognize all of them

[brazen rampart]

It's a right of passage. Keep letting them fight crushers until they figure it out.

[sinful olive]

now if only we could get some audio notifications for crushers akin to the chaos warrior ones in v2

[indigo plank]

“Hey that woosh sound means a melee attack is about you hit you. That weird laser beam ZRAOW noise means a gunner has locked onto your noggin”

[brazen rampart]

No, woe, 500 silent crushers be upon ye.

[sinful olive]

who the fuck gave them pillow crocs

[indigo plank]

“That static means a sniper just spawned so even though you don’t see anything rn, keep an eye out”

THUNK THUNK THUNK THUNK

“Oh there he is”

[brazen rampart]

No, static is when you have waves of snipers.

Snipers, themselves, don't make noise when they spawn.

[indigo plank]

Even better

[brazen rampart]

Only when you have waves of them do you hear it.

[indigo plank]

I’m just tossing out examples. Mostly it was the chaff noises I meant

Buddy kept taking backshots from chaff

[brazen rampart]

Not the nurglite backshots...

[indigo plank]

Once I told him there were sound queues for it he went down way less often, still took chips here and there but he at least knew when attacks were coming

[sinful olive]

gotta hammer into their brains that block is 360 degrees

[indigo plank]

Also teaching new players to SIDE dodge vs Back dodge

Because crushers will just pancake your ass if you go backwards

Dogs, muties, trappers all thwarted when physics doesn’t spit in your mouth and send them through geometry to get you

[brazen rampart]

Did you also teach them not to shoot mutants?

Because, yknow, 300% melee damage taken.

(waste of ammo)

[indigo plank]

Whack the muties, push the bursters, the usual

[ripe obsidian]

Hey, sometimes they pirouette and pancake you even if you go sideways

[indigo plank]

“Yeah feel free to shoot them if they’re across the room and shit is hellish but be mindful once they get closer to your teammates”

[brazen rampart]

It's also absolutely crucial that you teach them MUTANTS PREVENT YOU FROM CLUTCHING, KILL THEM WITH EXTREME PREJUDICE.

[mental grail]

disablers are more important imo

dogs/netters

[brazen rampart]

Mutants are disablers. :)

[indigo plank]

One of them was like “hey Friend D was giving us shit for shooting one across the room” and I was like “He’s not entirely wrong, but there’s nuance to it”

[mental grail]

mutants aren't permanent though

[brazen rampart]

Just, in a roundabout manner.

[indigo plank]

Mutants are permanent to Frog

Because it will not stop until it gets him specifically

[brazen rampart]

They pick you up, wallop you for a third of your toughness, and typically throw you into a really shit situation.

[mental grail]

I've clutched after getting grabbed by a mutant multiple times

[indigo plank]

It will run past my entire squad to kill Frog eating breakfast on the Mourningstar

[brazen rampart]

Yeah Banx can attest that mutants ignore everyone and go straight for me.

[hazy pumice]

Introduce them to the big axe. They'll learn.

[indigo plank]

Mutants fucking hate this guy

[mental grail]

cannot do that with a dog or net, get caught and you're done

[indigo plank]

It’s actually hilarious in game

[brazen rampart]

"TOM BRADY, HAVE MERCY" as yet another mutant is charging me.

[indigo plank]

We’ve had whole mutie waves ignore 2 zealots holding the front line, ignore the oblivious veteran in the back, and go for Frog as the bubble psyker minding his business

I’m literally slapping them as they run past me because they want HIM

[brazen rampart]

RAAAA I FUCKING HATE BUBBLE PSYKER ITS SO BORING

I WANT TO ONESHOT CRUSHERS WITH MY BIG SWORD

[indigo plank]

Be thankful my wife gave you The Gunker™ before you had her summarily executed

[mental grail]

gunker is peak

[brazen rampart]

To be fair, she was slinging slurs.

[mental grail]

???

[brazen rampart]

Kinda brought that down on herself.

[indigo plank]

You took issue with the casual sex more than the slurs, Proctor Mabel

[brazen rampart]

🙄

[mental grail]

https://tenor.com/view/red-dead-redemption-rdr2-arthur-morgan-confused-wtf-gif-16103884

[brazen rampart]

Anywho, mutants are disablers is the takeaway here.

[indigo plank]

Also I won’t hear it from the guy that turned into Donald Trump when the mutants got oppressive

[brazen rampart]

They don't game over you with one mistake, but they prevent you from doing a lot of things.

[mental grail]

least threatening of the three imo

[brazen rampart]

Like you can't pick people up if a mutant is present.

You WILL get grabbed.

[mental grail]

uhh, yeah you can

we're not all as unlucky as you 😭

[brazen rampart]

As last man standing? No.

You have to do some really janky map geometry abuse to pull off a rescue while a mutant is on the field.

Not possible on most maps.

[hazy pumice]

wtf is The Gunker™️

I'm terrified

[mental grail]

What mutants are you getting, lmao?

[brazen rampart]

The violent ones.

😭

[mental grail]

you poor fucking soul

[brazen rampart]

Gunker is gun psyker, the build in question is how you make it work in havoc 40.

[mental grail]

🙏 🥀

[brazen rampart]

(it's smite)

(it feels so fucking wrong but it is smite)

[hazy pumice]

ofc its smite

its always smite

Disable all neurological functions in every non-monstrosity enemy on the map and let your team massacre them.

[brazen rampart]

Listen, 10 free seconds of smite to let your team get some recharge time on abilities and breathing room vs melee elites is huge.

[hazy pumice]

LISTEN MAN I FUCKING LOVE SMITE MYSELF LOL

[brazen rampart]

I loathe smite but I cannot deny its effectiveness.

[hazy pumice]

Loathe running smite, or loathe having Smite Psykers on your team?

[brazen rampart]

I loathe smite.

Smite psykers are a result of smites existence.

Not exactly the same.

[hazy pumice]

Okay

So long as you do not loathe me for being Smitescum

[ripe obsidian]

Is it 410+ that you need for a curio to actually have the stats it says? I think 400 has rounding issues?

[brazen rampart]

Smite is quite unhealthy for the game as a whole. I view infiltrate and shroudfield the same way.

[hazy pumice]

You can add a little bit of spice to the pot by throwing in Venting Shriek with Soul Blaze

[brazen rampart]

That only matters for stamina curios, 410+ is real for +3, 400s are fakes.

[hazy pumice]

There's a combo that can pretty reliably kill anything that isn't a Mauler or Crusher on Damnation iirc

[plucky flax]

Its super hard playing stellar blade game is too distracting

[brazen rampart]

Anywho, smite, infiltrate, and shroudfield attract the most annoying players on the planet.

[hazy pumice]

Smite to 85%, Vent shriek, smite to 100%, everything pops

[ripe obsidian]

Thank you.

[brazen rampart]

I genuinely believe smite needs a full rework and both infiltrate and shroudfield need to be nuked from orbit.

[hazy pumice]

I mostly try to use smite to support my team.

It isn't a huge damage tool unless you do warp gymnastics to make it one.

[upbeat kestrel]

Then what in place of both stealth abilities

[ripe obsidian]

Hmmm. This is 410 but 20% HP

[dense wolf]

lock in

[brazen rampart]

Shroudfield should be replaced with a scriers style duration ability that focused on finesse and dodging. I don't fully know what to do with vet, though.

[hazy pumice]

Does Power rating actually do anything on Curios besides effecting the blessing rolls?

[ripe obsidian]

No. But it lies sometimes.

[hazy pumice]

Curious.

[ripe obsidian]

There's rounding in the background that screws with it.

[upbeat kestrel]

Then zealot tree branch for a assasin ceases to exist.

[brazen rampart]

Not unless it's a stamina curio. +3 stamina curios that show as 400 are fakes.

[plucky flax]

Im too weak I can't help staring at asset

[brazen rampart]

Do you understand that death cult assassins don't necessarily use stealth to achieve their objective? The only thing that matters is that the target dies.

[upbeat kestrel]

Aye

[hazy pumice]

Frog, would you rather deal with a team of 3 Smite Psykers or a team of 3 mildly stupid veterans

[brazen rampart]

What methods you stoop to to achieve your mission are irrelevant as long as they are not heretical.

[brazen rampart]

I'm letting both teams die immediately and soloing the match.

[hazy pumice]

Regular Maelstrom, damnation, decently mean modifiers

like

Lights out hi-intensity shock hunting grounds or some shit idk

[dense wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/rigby-cat-hat-flower-glosiia-gif-9493985815971982902

[brazen rampart]

Hunting grounds sucks ass.

I'd never queue it.

[hazy pumice]

SO TRUE BESTIE

FUCK DOGS

I HATE THEM

WE SHOULD KILL THEM ALL

[brazen rampart]

I'll do a true solo CIVI or A-I-II before I ever willingly queue hunting grounds again.

[hazy pumice]

I only run HG with Smite.

Fuck pox hounds they suck ass.

[brazen rampart]

That's kinda wack considering assail goes "hurr durr dog explode."

[hazy pumice]

true I do also run Assail on HG

But,
when they only have one direction to come from

Smite simply denies the dog bullshit.

love my big "fuck you explode" beam

[brazen rampart]

Ok but like, so does assail.

I count 4 darts and the first wave of mutts disappears.

[hazy pumice]

Yes but SOMETIMES a DOG will JUMP THROUGH THE SHARDS and start HUMPING MY LEG

[buoyant maple]

Death cult assassins are not about turning invisible

Just look at Kibellah from rogue trader

[hazy pumice]

BECAUSE THEY HATE ME AND BECOME EXTRA VICIOUS WHEN I AM PRESENT.

[prime elk]

Time for another Assail buff

[strong gulch]

That vid of the dude say something like "We are men. We're stronger than this. We don't have to be distracted by boobs." but he immediately looks at the cleavage when he pulls of the video then screams.

[hazy pumice]

I fucking love Assail, please.

Make Assail go through Carapace armor, trust!!!!!!!!

[brazen rampart]

"We must stay focused, brothers. We must stay focused."

[hazy pumice]

ALSO

[strong gulch]

Yes that lmao

[hazy pumice]

Do y'all think the rejects could handle a Plague Marine as a Monstrosity?

[plucky flax]

There's a reason game with sexy characters sell way more than games with goofy ahh characters. It's true for both men and women.

Like BG3 and the sexy cast vs veilguard. Crappy gameplay issue on veilguard aside.

[brazen rampart]

Do you want the lore reasoning or the gameplay reasoning?

[buoyant maple]

Given that the events in the game are canon
Yes

[strong gulch]

And the the thems and neithers.

[hazy pumice]

Both since there has to be lore reasoning for us surviving like

3 Chaos Spawns and a Beast of Nurgle as well as a pissed off Daemonhost

all at once

[brazen rampart]

Because in lore, the only monstrosity we can technically handle is a chaos spawn. Merely existing within a mile of a BoN or a plogryn would give you stage 4 terminal ass cancer and you'd die within minutes.

[indigo plank]

Wholeheartedly the latter. The game is full of stupidly broken shit, I just hate how people fail to use the broken shit to its fullest potential and die silly deaths

[brazen rampart]

A plague marine would just straight up kill you.

[indigo plank]

See DS/Bolter vet dying to poxwalkers

[brazen rampart]

Like, your immune system would speedrun the 7 stages of grief and just shut your body off like a light.

[hazy pumice]

I mean, if we take what Steam said here as gospel then like

[ripe obsidian]

You forget, we have the option to fight without helmets. That gives us a major buff.

[brazen rampart]

Fuck, he's right...

[hazy pumice]

ig every Reject has gotten a smooch from Isha

[indigo plank]

When being a main character in 40k is actually a logical explanation for inexplicable shit

[hazy pumice]

so Nurgle's plagues kinda just kick rocks

[brazen rampart]

Taking off your helmet gives you a +9000 aura rating...

[indigo plank]

Titus got canonized by taking off his helmet

[buoyant maple]

The game is canon to 40k lore
So technically everything that happens in the game are canon

With that said some player feats are pretty ridiculous, so view that how u want to

[indigo plank]

Wild shit

[hazy pumice]

You can also gain aura by putting a helmet on.

[brazen rampart]

If you really want to get technical about it there is a reason why rejects are resistant.

[hazy pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-space-marine-helmet-warhammer-40k-space-marine-astartes-spacem-arine-armor-gif-9266730404172402530

Oh for-

WHAT MUST I DO FOR EMBED PERMS

[buoyant maple]

For example

[brazen rampart]

Armor of contempt is an actual thing, and being associated with certain factions or people brings certain benefits due to warp fuckery.

[indigo plank]

Have an hour long debate about your favorite hot sauce in Zealot chat

[hazy pumice]

Oh yeah absolutely, Belief holds power in 40k.

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-reality-reality-can-be-whatever-i-want-infinity-gantlet-avengers-end-game-gif-13852128

[brazen rampart]

TLDR we are a member of the inquisition and we fuckin HATE Nurgle with a passion, so we can smoke that God-Emperor pack that makes the Grandfather involuntary cough and be fine.

[ripe obsidian]

hold on, better one

[buoyant maple]

One potential reason is that the game takes place after plague war (even though dialogue suggests it’s before plague war), could just be explained by “word doesn’t travel that fast”

[buoyant maple]

If it takes place after plague war then nurgle is much weaker than before plague war

[brazen rampart]

But anyway, to answer your question, it would take an unholy amount of bolter/plasma/flamer/heavy stubber fire and maybe a great deal of psyker bullshit to bring down a plague marine, assuming we don't explode upon exposure.

[verbal thistle]

or 1 DS zealot with uncanny

shrimple as

dodge to proc duielist and precog

1 shot nurgle

[hazy pumice]

Assuming Steam is right about "Gameplay = canon", I think we can manage that

[brazen rampart]

The Grandfather gets oneshot by some weird guy that yells really loud.

[verbal thistle]

THE ARCH HERETICS

[hazy pumice]

because apparently our fucking lasguns are stronger than Astartes Pattern bolters.

[nocturne dust]

I mean, isn't that supposed to also be true for bonbons

[brazen rampart]

Yeah, Path is correct, everything in the game is canon.

[hazy pumice]

Insanity

[indigo plank]

W/ a toothpick

A fokin toothpick

[hazy pumice]

We have Space Marines beat for all but speed then, I believe.

[indigo plank]

https://tenor.com/view/puffing-a-smoke-chilling-out-smoking-blow-out-smoke-not-happy-gif-17340057

[brazen rampart]

Technically? The kicker with BoN is that it's all flesh, so you can take melee weapons to it just fine. The problem with doing that to a plague marine is they're still wearing ceramite armor. Good luck punching through that with a melee instrument.

[buoyant maple]

DT player characters are potentially stronger than space marines, if judging by feats

A space marine goes down to 2 shots from a longlas

DT veteran can take a lot more than that

[indigo plank]

laughs in relic blade/FGS

Laughs in brain burst

[brazen rampart]

Vet can eat an exterminatus with one singular voc.

[hazy pumice]

I dont think Space Marines survive getting throated by Beasts of Nurgle unless they're GKs or named helmless blueberries

[buoyant maple]

Yea, that too

[indigo plank]

40k is weird because space marines fuck literally everything up until a point where they ARE basically guardsman chaff

[buoyant maple]

DT’s power scaling is kind of wack because a lot of it is not accurate to lore but the game is canon so technically all of it fits in the lore

[indigo plank]

Because the scale of threats just gets to be astronomical

Or bullshitium

Looking at you, Necrons

[brazen rampart]

Necrons be like "teehee, I touched a tiny bit of your flesh with this gauss flayer, turn to ash now fleshling!"

[indigo plank]

I think of it like anime. Not worth thinking about power scaling when the shows/movies throw out all the homework with every new installment lol

[brazen rampart]

By the way, just so we're all clear, you feel your body break down when you get shot with a gauss flayer.

It's not an instant death.

It's just really fast.

[indigo plank]

Damn they really accelerated the aging process

Such cruelty

[hazy pumice]

Meanwhile the Veteran,
"NONONO NOT AGAIN-" throated for the 4th time this mission by the same Beast of Nurgle

[indigo plank]

Go forth, disco scarab

[brazen rampart]

It's wild to think guardsmen have the stones to stand and fight necrons knowing that they cannot survive getting shot even once, anywhere.

[hazy pumice]

Remember, Lasguns are only shit cause they already killed everything they're good against.

[indigo plank]

Guardsmen when fighting literally anything in 40k

[brazen rampart]

Like even if a gauss flayer grazes your pinky nail, to ashes with you.

[indigo plank]

You don’t even need to be hit. You just need to be in the wrong zip code as something evil

Oops all zombies

[nocturne dust]

I mean, if we take that to an extreme then we die millions of times... yet we live

[hazy pumice]

Whoops, your neighbor turned out to be an Alpha+ Psyker

Planet go bye bye

[brazen rampart]

"We did it, we held off the daemonic invasion!"

the GK chapter dropping in from orbit about to vibe check that guardsman with a force halberd

[indigo plank]

Yeah PLANET go bye bye is the funny part

Oh sorry there was an unsanctioned psyker on the other side of your hive and the entire planet has been deemed corrupted

Just Tuesday™

[hazy pumice]

ALSO

[buoyant maple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664591642967408640/1382719196445802587/cachedVideo.mov?ex=684cd5da&is=684b845a&hm=782e796f43e463d72e62be6c66163144bcf29ad3ff66ac9ca095c7d897b87ef5&

[hazy pumice]

Apparently they increased the range human psykers can remain sane in.

[buoyant maple]

This is pretty lore accurate

[hazy pumice]

Alpha+ psykers can be sane and sanctioned now.

The absolute limit is, I believe, Beta+?

[brazen rampart]

The problem with psykers isn't their capacity for sanity.

[nocturne dust]

Game is so lore accurate, all melee goes through walls

[hazy pumice]

For individuals who aren't super duper special anyway.

like Magnus or Big E.

[brazen rampart]

It's when you look at one and say "hey I'm gonna put this collar on you to dampen your powers so you don't accidentally turn me or yourself into a writhing mass of tentacles later," then things get rather hairy.

Because, for obvious reasons, said psykers do not want that.

[hazy pumice]

Its
A.) The warp diddling them and then everyone around them if they dont know what they're doing or they fuck up
B.) The warp making them explode
C.) The warp making them explode and then making YOU explode
and ofc
D.) Them deciding they wanna fuck your shit up cause they're basically a material god.

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/tentacle-futurama-gif-1831628199672799010

[buoyant maple]

I’m actually curious what arbites will say about psykers

I don’t think DT psykers are sanctioned? The more I think about it

Loner is definitely not sanctioned

[hazy pumice]

"Are you sanctioned?"
"You got a license to use that psychic power? You got a license for that license?"

[buoyant maple]

Savant is maybe sanctioned

[brazen rampart]

Savant is.

Seer and Loner arent.

[hazy pumice]

"Was that breath you just took sanctioned?"

[nocturne dust]

Maybe we're sanctioned by virtue of being pressed into service