Sweet. Still annoyed at this one tho lol
#psyker-class
frozen glacier
frozen glacier
I'm done for the night but ty for the offer
verbal thistle
@ me anytime if you try again
ivory terrace
I finally got that achievement just recently actually, can confirm it’s better to do it with smite than the venting shriek
Especially when you remember that smite pushes the enemies in the direction you’re facing, not always backwards
frozen glacier
Yeah, vent seems to barely push anything at all
Will start trying with smite more
ivory terrace
It’s good to have a mix of both sometimes, just for extra assurance, plus using the shriek reduces your peril meter faster, so you can zap more
strong gulch
Vent / shriek push scales with peril
frozen glacier
Vent / shriek push scales with peril
Oh that is good info TY
ivory terrace
If you’d like stage recommendations, I got it on Refinery Delta-17, during the final portion where you’re hacking pathogen on a two-level area, you can stand on one of the sides where enemies spawn across a bottomless pit they jump across. After they jump, they land on the very edge of the platform, so you can hold them in smite until 7+ are there and then release smite and vent to push them off
ripe obsidian
Out of curiosity, what blessings do y'all use for your DSIVs? I'm using uncanny/agile, but I know riposte is popular.
cloud lichen
hey guys im a returning player with a lot of currency i wanted to try out the greatsword with maybe the electric staff or any ranged weapon that you recommend
anyone got a template or something i can use
wanted to mostly play in melee
jovial juniper
Out of curiosity, what blessings do y'all use for your DSIVs? I'm using uncanny/...
Uncanny + Riposte/Precognition
The problem with Agile is that you don't need it
Because you can just stop dodging for 0.85 seconds
ripe obsidian
Or I can panic and spam dodge. :D
ripe obsidian
hey guys im a returning player with a lot of currency i wanted to try out the gr...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kvE2p0OOzw
There is a build at the beginning of this video
cloud lichen
oh got it and interesting are stam curious not important anymore?
obtuse swan
boss damage aka meme build
obtuse swan
recon lasgun is better on psyker
fiery stratus
slightly, but it doesn't mean vraks is bad or needs buffed
obtuse swan
usually when someone brings an autogun they always go down
fiery stratus
not everything needs to obliterate, theres a spectrum
ripe obsidian
oh got it and interesting are stam curious not important anymore?
I've never used stamina curios, so I don't know
fiery stratus
randoms are always bad, im sure you're a bad random to someone else
obtuse swan
the boltgun is amazing
fiery stratus
the boltgun is one of the most broken guns in the game, of course its good
obtuse swan
broken
fiery stratus
here we are backtracking again
obtuse swan
u throw that word out like it mwans something
fiery stratus
yes it does far more damage to most things than most other guns do
fiery stratus
yes the balanced pve game is one guy taking on every fucking enemy while the rest of the team watches
theres a balance
obtuse swan
if u want boring wet noodle shit go play sm2
obtuse swan
yes the balanced pve game is one guy taking on every fucking enemy while the res...
LMAO
i thought autoguns were good?
thorn cedar
theyre alright
obtuse swan
ok sometimes i carey my teammates but usually they put in work too
fiery stratus
im talking from your perspective but you're too dense to understand that
obtuse swan
whats annoying is when ur trying to get warp charges and ppl kill all the specials
obtuse swan
they are, i lead the scoreboard every game i use it on
that just means u have skill or experience if u can make a shit gun work
ornate hamlet
i thought autoguns were good?
Grab the braced auto gun. Works wonders against pretty much everything but crushers
obtuse swan
lmao that gun is so shit
ornate hamlet
It’s an ammo hog though.
fiery stratus
alright bud, go look at the numbers, not that you'd be able to understand them
obtuse swan
i got memed into trying it and its so bad
obtuse swan
u can barely hit past 20m
obtuse swan
sorry but yall opinions are terrible
ivory terrace
Auto guns are good, outclassed by other types, but not useless
thorn cedar
youre taking it to shoot at targets with volume
obtuse swan
you arent taking it to shoot targets
LMAO EXACTLY
why suppressbwhen u can kill
flamer is the king of suppression
weary idol
Auto guns are good, outclassed by other types, but not useless
vraks infantry autogun is the highest dps weapon in the entire game :)
ornate hamlet
sorry but yall opinions are terrible
And you’re opinion to us is probably terrible, so 🤷🏻♂️ all I know is I run auric maelstroms with it and it does great
thorn cedar
nah flamer has limitations but in its niche it is indeed excpetional (ie within 22m)
obtuse swan
It’s an ammo hog though.
wasteful, could goto a bolter bolt pistol or a plasma or anyy other gun
thorn cedar
braced auto + ceaseless barrage = free damage and ridiculous suppression with absurd capacity
obtuse swan
the nad launcher ogryn has is good
weary idol
i thought autoguns were good?
Vraks and Agri infantry auto are p good
ornate hamlet
wasteful, could goto a bolter bolt pistol or a plasma or anyy other gun
Some of us like to use weapons because we find them fun, not just meta
obtuse swan
Some of us like to use weapons because we find them fun, not just meta
Lmao the reason the guns i use are meta is because its fun
ornate hamlet
Lmao the reason the guns i use are meta is because its fun
In your opinion, yes.
fiery stratus
right
obtuse swan
i dont like making the game harder on myself by gimping with a mediocre weapon
fiery stratus
so what you're using is meta
ivory terrace
vraks infantry autogun is the highest dps weapon in the entire game :)
I’ve got it on my vet now, and I keep accidentally killing things too quickly. I’m too good at landing headshots apparently
obtuse swan
its warhammer why would u use a normal gun
fiery stratus
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS MAKE EVERYTHING ELSE META SO YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO BALANCE, THANK YOU FOR PROVING THE POINT
\
obtuse swan
i undrstand lasgun users
obtuse swan
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS MAKE EVERYTHING ELSE META SO YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO BA...
Nah u dum dum
thorn cedar
help me and my alzheimers, vraks auto is what used to be the columnus right
fiery stratus
durrr this gun doesn shred like the bolter, WHHYYY
jovial juniper
help me and my alzheimers, vraks auto is what used to be the columnus right
Yeah
thorn cedar
okay
weary idol
its warhammer why would u use a normal gun
https://imgur.com/a/x8a8LuX oh you know...reasons
thorn cedar
cause vraks is/was the single fire headhunter in my brain
god why the fuck did they have to rename everything goddamn you GW
obtuse swan
bolter is infinitely more fun than braced bc it can hit
fiery stratus
Right, so you just acknowledged that you use meta weapons, so what you're using is far more powerful than the other weapons. IE meta
obtuse swan
https://imgur.com/a/x8a8LuX oh you know...*reasons*
boss damage, enemy u should ignote and focus on the horde
obtuse swan
Right, so you just acknowledged that you use meta weapons, so what you're using ...
I said fun weapons :)
fiery stratus
The other guns arent bad, you don't know what the word balance means
analog agate
The gun renaming really was stupid and without any reason at all
obtuse swan
The other guns arent bad, you don't know what the word balance means
Theyre quite boring
thorn cedar
The gun renaming really was stupid and without any reason at all
it was a very unfriedly move for my overclocked brain
fiery stratus
if you need subway surfers gameplay at the top of your screen because it takes an extra couple shots, sure
weary idol
>boss damage, enemy u should ignote and focus on the horde
incidentally it also one shot headshots gunners, shotgunners, and 2 shot bodyshots dreg ragers
ornate hamlet
Nah u dum dum
You can hav opinions, but maybe refrain some calling people stupid.
weary idol
it's balanced by having god awful damage falloff
obtuse swan
Mirror react
fiery stratus
most guns will 1shot anything nonarmored, assuming your build isnt dogshit
thorn cedar
thats a horrifying thought, that youve earned employment
weary idol
those 1 shots only happen out to like...I wanna say 15 meters?
fiery stratus
but im not gonna make that assumption
analog agate
Who is “they”
prime elk
prob tanner simps
fiery stratus
its because people who know nothing come in and insist they're right when they haven't even looked at the numbers
thorn cedar
guessing it starts with a t and rhymes with banner
fiery stratus
but you continue to inisist you're right
ivory terrace
Do I want to know who Tanner is?
fiery stratus
most of the people make the defenses are experienced players, alot of them have actually spent extensive time testing, what have you done?
thorn cedar
Do I want to know who Tanner is?
nah better to forget about it
ornate hamlet
Imagine using using a non-meta weapon and preforming just as wel as a meta user, then being told the weapon you used sucks because it’s not meta. Lol.
ivory terrace
Okay
analog agate
Those are two very different games
weary idol
Imagine using using a non-meta weapon and preforming just as wel as a meta user,...
A very real occurence for SG psyker players xd
thorn cedar
Those are two very different games
and both so good
analog agate
I dled deadlock but never gave it a shot
fiery stratus
Do I want to know who Tanner is?
You didn't miss anything, hes just a youtuber and there was some drama, nothing worth looking into.
thorn cedar
probably the best-ish time to play it is right now, they heavily reworked the game
3 lanes instead of 4, massive item system redesign, reworked how economy is earned
ornate hamlet
A very real occurence for SG psyker players xd
Oh I hear ya. I remember playing VT2 I jumped in a match as bardin with hammer and shield. This one guy couldn’t help but tell me i chose a garbage weapon.
30 minutes later, run was completed after I clutched 2 chaos warrior patrols and saved the team, twice.
To his credit, he took back what he said. lol
thorn cedar
basically a whole new game
analog agate
Gotcha. Yeah, I dled it a year ago or so when you had to get private invites
fiery stratus
Any weapon is viable with the right build and skill set
thorn cedar
Oh I hear ya. I remember playing VT2 I jumped in a match as bardin with hammer a...
yeah weapon+shield whatevers in VT2 were the definition of slow and steady winners
weary idol
Any weapon is viable with the right build and skill set
In aurics sure
thorn cedar
not flashy, not murder machines, but they put in the work
ornate hamlet
Exactly. Sure you ain’t gonna kill everything quick, but you’ll outlast everything
thorn cedar
-laughs in stagger thp-
verbal thistle
??????
thorn cedar
in VT2?
fiery stratus
the thp one is on zealot anyway
verbal thistle
zealot wants cleave
fiery stratus
yes
verbal thistle
for like 95% of his weapons
thorn cedar
i havent really played VT2 since DT launched
fiery stratus
but if you're using flail its a thing, but its bad
thorn cedar
going back feels like stepping out of a ferrari on a race track to get back into my corrola for the drive back home
fiery stratus
i use the damage multiples one
fiery stratus
yes the stagger is
strong gulch
Imagine using using a non-meta weapon and preforming just as wel as a meta user,...
A weapon can "suck" and still perform well in the hands of a good player. Meta builds are better the worse you are at the game.
verbal thistle
getting 75% of my hp back with 3 attacks
strong gulch
People shitting on other players for not playing meta is garbage.
thorn cedar
i was using tacaxes for years and the validation is only recent
fiery stratus
just people who think every enemy should be a 1 shot on the highest difficulty
you know, people who don't really want a challenge and have no real skill
ivory terrace
I don’t understand why some people out there don’t let people play the game how they like or use the weapons they like. Not that I’m saying that people here do that, it’s just a disappointing fact about the gaming community as a whole
fiery stratus
REEE BECAUSE IM TERMINALLY UNHAPPY THEREFORE I MUST MAKE EVERYONE ELSE SUFFER REEEEEEEE
FUCK YOUR DIFFERENT OPINIONNNN
analog agate
People here don’t really care what you play. But we will make it known when you are incorrect 😉
weary idol
People here don’t really care what you play. But we will make it known when you ...
Okay I like smite psyker it make enemy go boom :)
thorn cedar
i mean. yeah.
i dont really care as long as the thing you're doing isn't also sucking the enjoyment for everyone around you
ie. infinite smykers, or pre-patch 13 bolter camo vets
shit that just suffocates the gameplay loop
fiery stratus
the biggest meme in that whole argument, is him trying to say the bolter and plasma aren't op, then he said they're meta
thorn cedar
or peeps who use invis just to run ahead
ivory terrace
I mean, by definition that can be true, but it is a confusing argument
strong gulch
In case someone doesn't know.
meta = most efficient tactic available
fiery stratus
thorn cedar
thats a backronym
thorn cedar
im pretty sure
ornate hamlet
A weapon can "suck" and still perform well in the hands of a good player. Meta b...
I agree with this statement. For me, what is the fun of playing with a weapon that just one shots everything. It’s almost as if some of us play for the challenge 😂
thorn cedar
yeah like metaanalysis is ... not a new thing
strong gulch
There's different ways to play this game. You can sweat with harder content or shit builds or make the game less taxing because you're ill, exhausted, etc.
or you just like a more chill experience
thorn cedar
im not having fun until the game is twisting my nuts into a windsor knot
ivory terrace
Average Elden ring player
ornate hamlet
That’s true. I guess for me, I enjoy a good challenge. My fav moments are when I’m completely surrounded and have to actually play flawless to escape the situation. But that’s just me 🤷🏻♂️
thorn cedar
i stopped with souls games after bloodborne, kinda just over the formula
strong gulch
valid
ornate hamlet
i stopped with souls games after bloodborne, kinda just over the formula
Yeah, I don’t dig souls like games, at all.
ivory terrace
They’re not for everyone, that’s completely fair
thorn cedar
i was HOPING to get my dick twisted playing Doom Dark Ages but an RTX card is mandatory, and sadly, my tooth collapsed a couple days ago and now im freshly out $4,000 lmao
ornate hamlet
Dodge 10 times to hit an enemy once or twice, then dodge 10 more times
strong gulch
I like the souls games but I'm glad some don't. More varried games more good.
ivory terrace
I’ve only really played Elden ring, tried the others but they just didn’t hit right
thorn cedar
I did Demon Souls > Bloodborne and everything inbetween.
Bloodborne had the strongest hold on me but it also pissed me off the most.
After I beat it I was kinda just over FromSoft as a whole
ivory terrace
Same, I like the armour and weapon designs in bloodborne, but the speed of the gameplay just really doesn’t sit right with me
strong gulch
I’ve only really played Elden ring, tried the others but they just didn’t hit ri...
Not surprising. The older games walked so elden ring could run.
I love the first dark souls but that shit is JANK.
ivory terrace
I love hitting an input three minutes ago and having it suddenly interrupt my action
thorn cedar
Elden Ring's success makes total sense. You aren't completely fucking trapped trying to face one boss over and over until you succeed -- you can just go somewhere else to find a different boss to die to.
strong gulch
Ye
thorn cedar
But it's still just ... the same shit.
strong gulch
valid
thorn cedar
And there are so many things about their game design that I do not fucking appreciate anymore in the slightest.
ivory terrace
What’s not to love about instant killing traps and random boss attack speeds?
thorn cedar
I do not find it cute how they deliberately lay out traps in their own design to confuse and bait players and continue to lay out the same traps. These aren't 'mistakes' anymore when you've been doing them for ten years.
The whole "We want you to experience the game in your own special way (but actually you really only have one path to success and you can't restart without actually restarting entirely)" can fuuuuuuuck offfff
again Elden Ring is great because it being open world mitigated a lot of that.
But it's still there. They're still doing it. They still think it's fucking cute.
ornate hamlet
Yeah, so many different games out there for everyone.
One game I’ve been thinking of reinstalling is WoW. But then I wonder how much time I really have 😂
I’ve always wanted to try raiding but I don’t know anyone who does it. And I also don’t want to get involved in a hardcore raiding guild who treats it like a second job
ivory terrace
That certainly is my favourite part of the Psyker class, WoW
ornate hamlet
Fair fair. Side tracked. Lol
ivory terrace
I feel like I’m responsible for it since I first brought up Elden Ring and it went to this from there, at least before it we were talking about darktide weapons
I think we mentioned one that the psyker could actually use
ornate hamlet
Let’s get it back on track then.
Do you guys bother using stamina regen/sprint perks on your curios?
ivory terrace
I did once to make my vet a fast boy, and that was it
ivory terrace
There’s not many good ones, unless you’re really struggling against snipers or gunners and need their damage resistance
thorn cedar
even then it would be under the presumption that i didnt already take +5% toughness or health
prime elk
i always run ordo dockets 
thorn cedar
the only time i mix it up is high havocs
with enough corruption resist you can avoid getting instantly deleted by mauler overheads
sadly it still leaves you needing to be revived, but that's better than teleported to rescue
elfin roost
I am abandoning every class to make 5 Arbites the day they release istg
ornate hamlet
I usually take toughness and gunner resist. I always see a lot of people taking stam regen. It’s helpful for my zealots because I can block swing more often, but even then…I wonder how useful it really is
ivory terrace
I hope we get more character slots when/if more classes come out after Arbites, I hope we get at least one per class
thorn cedar
on zealot its pretty stellar
ornate hamlet
I hope we get more character slots when/if more classes come out after Arbites, ...
I was thinking about this the other day. I already have maxed slots.
thorn cedar
750ms regen delay and 1.5stam/s base regen
you produce a lot of stamina
for everyone else, not so much
elfin roost
All I want in this world is a carapace armored heavy guy with a dog and a riot shield setup
ornate hamlet
Which is why I’ve ran with stam regen and not looked back. But I do wonder if it would be better to take sprint efficiency as well
Especially on combat knife
thorn cedar
its a pretty tremendous boost to your stamina bar, at least for the purposes of sprinting - which is like 90% of all stamina use in this game
weary idol
I hope we get more character slots when/if more classes come out after Arbites, ...
character slots are paid dlc too
thorn cedar
on knife with its low sprint cost and equally low stamina bars, its pretty exciting to make its 2 stamina feel like 5 or 6
also they already confirmed one more character slot
ivory terrace
I already pay a shit ton for cosmetics, paying more to be able to play the game more is better in comparison
thorn cedar
nobody will need to delete a character
ivory terrace
Yay
tardy cipher
Starting to get into higher havocs. I've looked at the recommended builds but which are the stronger ones for the higher havoc specifically? Seems like not Electrokinetic from what I've been reading?
prime elk
people usually use void blast or purgatus in havoc if going staffker
verbal thistle
EK is easily viable but lacks 1 main things that makes the other 2 staffs broken
tardy cipher
I've been leveling up my voidblast doing alright in Auric Damnation, but it feels so squishy and hard to kill elites with? My staff is at 80/80 damage. I definitely do more damage on my scoreboards but it's just because I'm clearing more in the waves
verbal thistle
infinite cleave
analog agate
Full blast kills most/all elites in one shot. Or you can blast them on the ground then poke them with sword
tardy cipher
infinite cleave
Yea, the cleave on it is definitely the problematic thing about it. I was using the Force Greatsword and having great success, but I hit at wall at havoc 25. On the scoreboards I was doing, what felt like particularly well on my team, but with the consistent losses I've been trying to take a closer look at what I can do better
ivory terrace
Just curious, what was the hardest psyker achievement for people to get?
tardy cipher
sure
verbal thistle
tardy cipher
ah yea I've seen your vid either here or somewhere else already
verbal thistle
Nice
analog agate
Just curious, what was the hardest psyker achievement for people to get?
Killing ?5 elites by exploding. Pushing 20 guys over a cliff was easy.
Doing 100% monster dmg was hard only because you were at the mercy of your teammates agreeing to help
verbal thistle
yeah staff psyker goal is control and horde clear damage
ivory terrace
Killing ?5 elites by exploding. Pushing 20 guys over a cliff was easy.
Doing 1...
Thank god some of those have been made easier
Oh sorry, thank the god emperor
thorn cedar
Monstrous Maelstrom has been the hardest for me (i rarely play with friends and dont fucken care to get it done when i do)
analog agate
Voidblast I use for havoc 40 pubs. Inferno with skilled players
ivory terrace
Monstrous Maelstrom has been the hardest for me (i rarely play with friends and ...
Is that the “do x% of damage with brain burst and then kill monstrosity”?
thorn cedar
yes but i probably wrote it wrong
analog agate
Ya. I think it is 50% dmg now
thorn cedar
twas
analog agate
It was 100. And then 90
ivory terrace
That was before the new talent system as well
proper osprey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dmpfmty06BE&t=424s
Dang bubble really helps a ton
thorn cedar
back when brainburst was all we had
ivory terrace
Yeah, and vet’s could only use exec’s stance and frag grenades
thorn cedar
and you had to brainburst something every 18 seconds or all your damage bonuses would evaporate
proper osprey
Cut to the twins and saw obscureus at wrong
brazen compass
It's red dw
proper osprey
I suppose bubble is the way to go if you’re doing melee psyker it completely nullifies things that would be a big nuisance
thorn cedar
bubble is just too boring for me, but yes it is silly strong
proper osprey
I’d not wanna worry about trappers and flamers at the same time while fighting the twins
I’d say in that situation it’s needed
ivory terrace
It has the same nature to me as Vet’s shout does, kind of a ‘oh shit I’m dying, better hit the defence button’
brazen compass
Even better
brazen compass
Use them, and don't die, even before you get in trouble
weary idol
I find for the way that I play melee psyker it is almost entirely useless
The only reason I would ever pick bubble is if my team is incapable of playing without it
Not because I would want to run it
brazen compass
but your name is "Gun Psyker Enjoyer", clearly you don't have any other builds or play no other classes besides exclusively gun Psyker?
proper osprey
The only reason I would ever pick bubble is if my team is incapable of playing w...
Very true
I only play melee with gaze
cyan meteor
I wasn't really planning on touching psyker any time soon but
I just found out yall get capes
so
obtuse swan
Do I want to know who Tanner is?
tanner lindberg on youtube look it up urself make ur own mind up
he actually knows what hes talking about though
thorn cedar
sadly he's a gaping shitbird and his knowledge synthesis is incredibly poor
obtuse swan
proof?
he was the first to get havoc 40 and everything he says checks out
I dont think hes as toxic as the people here lmao
verbal thistle
he had a player with the havoc 40 title in his team
thorn cedar
lmao ^
verbal thistle
lol
raven mountain
I thought there was a controversy where he didn't.
thorn cedar
yeah here we go again, basically
raven mountain
Like, he just said he did, and people believed him.
prime elk
he had a player with the havoc 40 title in his team
all cheaters
obtuse swan
He streamed it
verbal thistle
nice
thorn cedar
he was absolutely positively not the first to h40
obtuse swan
Ppl who had access to it before anyone else i.e playtesters
thorn cedar
no, not even in that category
raven mountain
^
obtuse swan
Then who was
thorn cedar
people got there before him
obtuse swan
Anyway that doesn't change the fact what was said was true
thorn cedar
the actual first h40 is probably some nobody who is out there enjoying his life and not having this oft-rehashed debate
obtuse swan
Still good takes from him
thorn cedar
not really
obtuse swan
Factually yes
thorn cedar
he can read an information read out, like anyone else
raven mountain
Dude knows a lot of specifics about mechanics, but he also has some hot ass takes and dismisses shit.
thorn cedar
the way he puts that information together into a conclusion is
proper osprey
Still good takes from him
They only thing I’ve seen of you is like ragebaiting ur so silly
prime elk
can you guys please stop engaging with the troll?
thorn cedar
basically homer simpson's barbqeue
obtuse swan
Lmao u guys are wayy more toxic than tanners discord btw
they dont act like this there
thorn cedar
you can just go there then
obtuse swan
Hahaha no
thorn cedar
we already figured you kinda fit in
raven mountain
Blocked
thorn cedar
thats ok, we'll survive
raven mountain
like the loser he is.
proper osprey
A lot of influx of silly billies recently
proper osprey
Both
brazen compass
That's ok, you guys aren't toxic to me 
brazen compass
Not as cool as you
proper osprey
Not as cool as you <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
Kiss me?
brazen compass
Sure
thorn cedar
ainz sucks follow my socials for more incredible takes
patent jacinth
Yeah
proper osprey
Sorry freakies
jovial juniper
"Freakies"
brazen compass
Nothing freaky about consent
verbal thistle
ainz sucks follow my socials for more incredible takes
ur mom
sturdy reef
proper osprey
[BANNED]
thorn cedar
my mom is pretty freaky now that you mention it
verbal thistle
sturdy reef
stop doxxing smh
proper osprey
https://tenor.com/view/aitor-gif-7084060237011549479
Yeah keep washing
glass hare
i heard obscurus is actually goated is this true?
sturdy reef
yes
it is the goat
just go SG/DD and you will one tap pretty much everything on crit
sturdy reef
I got used to it
ornate hamlet
Light slashes for hordes and heavies for heavies does good. And the block/push stab is incredible against crushers and the like
plucky flax
Do I want to know who Tanner is?
Best psyker ever i think
indigo portal
Do I want to know who Tanner is?
Just a youtuber, has a negative demeanor esp to negative criticism. Was the butt of a lot of jokes in regards to buildcrafting for like a year.
elfin roost
Just a youtuber, has a negative demeanor esp to negative criticism. Was the butt...
Wasnt he also the knife zealot guy
deft stump
Wasnt he also the knife zealot guy
The bleedmaxxing one. I think.
elfin roost
ew
indigo portal
Wasnt he also the knife zealot guy
There were a lot of knife zealot guys. iirc he recommended bleed bleed knife which is a meme.
Knife itself was fine back then.
elfin roost
There were a *lot* of knife zealot guys. iirc he recommended *bleed* bleed knife...
Rage bait ogryn better
summer timber
i like his ideas, i think theyre pretty interesting and i think he's itching a really good spot in his own brain and achieving good results
deft stump
But you only want 1 bleed and uncanny.
summer timber
sometimes i feel like his videos come off as a little entitled or like
"im right, your wrong"
deft stump
If going bleed at all.
summer timber
but his tierlist video also gives me the impression that might be just the way he sounds LOL
deft stump
but his tierlist video also gives me the impression that might be just the way h...
You mean. "Just be the way he is." Right?
summer timber
yeah exactly
either or
i dont really care either way, i like his dueling sword plasma gun build
dense wolf
plucky flax
"im right, your wrong"
Yeah this is it.
prime elk
i like his ideas, i think theyre pretty interesting and i think he's itching a r...
too bad his brain decided he should be a racist prick. why follow a guy like that who's prob only right half the time, and presents everything as if his opinion is the inviolable truth?
i guess some people just like being abused tho
not my kink
summer timber
too bad his brain decided he should be a racist prick. why follow a guy like tha...
wait hes racist wut LOL?
tell me abt it
prime elk
well now you know
summer timber
what kind of racist
prime elk
and half the time people come here with some terrible fucking build
it's a tanner special
summer timber
what kind of racist
not that theres a preferable one
prime elk
idr the details at this point, somebody else might
summer timber
it's a tanner special
yeah i cant lie sometimes his builds seem more confusing than good
just balancing so many diff buffs
plucky flax
Maybe racist against Asians 
prime elk
Maybe racist against Asians <:peepoAsian:769908314947321856>
i think it was something like this
either way, enough to get banned
deft stump
what kind of racist
Not just racist, but went out of his way to bully the old CM who is on holiday atm. From memory.
summer timber
Not just racist, but went out of his way to bully the old CM who is on holiday a...
oh one of those types
OH
i understand who he is now
stouty copy cat
understood 🫡
plucky flax
He's a vet main anyway so I don't like how he presents his psyker stuff as 'this is best' when he doesn't have more than 300 levels in psyker
prime elk
i mean his vet stuff is questionable too
but he'll tell you it's the META build
it's a meta that only exists in his head
plucky flax
Okay i don't watch his contents so unsure
deft stump
i mean his vet stuff is questionable too
I have way less lvls and have questionably better builds.
summer timber
He's a vet main anyway so I don't like how he presents his psyker stuff as 'this...
always the vet mains
summer timber
always the vet mains
(300 lvls split between 2 vet characters)
deft stump
If I'm not outright handing out my sus personal builds.
summer timber
i do pretty well with the build ihave i think
its nothing crazy tho
i enjoy it thats what matters
deft stump
i enjoy it thats what matters
I mean, your build is to help with your playstyle anyway. And having fun is all that matters.
pearl viper
i wish cliffhanger was 5 instead of 7 ledge kills
pearl viper
I need Arbites
also same
elfin roost
summer timber
i really hope they are making good changes to the onboarding system
i am not looking forward to leveling 30 times again from low level
zzzzz only maelstrom only maelstrom
elfin roost
I don't care if it's for Arbites, gimme
pearl viper
i’m just hoping they reduce the cliffhanger requirements cause i suck at it
summer timber
im trying to think of a good spot for that
what is that you just need to push them right
deft stump
i am not looking forward to leveling 30 times again from low level
Bet you no diff, but you now need to win x number of missions from uprising onwards to get higher diffs so no diff.
summer timber
whats that one mission at the end where you interrogate the giant vials to destroy the blgiht inside of them
summer timber
you know what im talking about tho right
verbal thistle
I do
summer timber
thats all that matters
summer timber
i’m just hoping they reduce the cliffhanger requirements cause i suck at it
do you know too
where they come out the top doors and jump down to the bottom ledge, they call kinda pile up there and theres no railing where they have to land
i think ogryn can probably do it, you can probably also throw them with smite but you might accidentally kill them too
or the shriek could work too
GS double push too maybe
deft stump
Naw. Smite flick is better for the penance tbh.
plucky flax
Karien sus
deft stump
Karien sus
Nu, you.
dense wolf
youtube yet again showing me Agent chaos on my home page hm...
summer timber
what
https://warhammer-40k-darktide.fandom.com/wiki/Refinery_Delta-17
This one, Refinery Delta-17
deft stump
No u <:susge:1205523658479763477>
Nu! You! 
deft stump
youtube yet again showing me Agent chaos on my home page hm...
See, Chaos sus.
dense wolf
Tzeench is in the works with this
pearl viper
https://warhammer-40k-darktide.fandom.com/wiki/Refinery_Delta-17
This one, Refin...
thanks, which part of the map do they pile up at? the actual refinery itself?
dense wolf
😲
summer timber
thanks, which part of the map do they pile up at? the actual refinery itself?
the final encounter is where the area im talking about is, see on in the embed image for the link it kinda branches off to the side
the arena is kinda shaped like a plus
on the bottom floor the left and right edge of the plus theres the gather spot with no railings
left+right upon entering arena
pearl viper
thanks
summer timber
np
plucky flax
youtube yet again showing me Agent chaos on my home page hm...
It's not me. D:
I'm not that good. 
dense wolf
it is YOU
plucky flax
dense wolf
i watched ur video once with my family watching too lol
now im getting ur vids on my feed a lot now
summer timber
me and my family watch darktide montage videos at dinner too
plucky flax
Wholesome family moment.
summer timber
tonight we decided to mix things up with a funny voice lines montage
plucky flax
Watch this to feel depressed and vibe to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZGbstLGzbk
Music with darktide noise in background
deft stump
It's not me. D:
STOP TRYING TO GASLIGHT PPL ON THAT.
dense wolf
Okay not so nice cars.
verbal thistle
@nocturne dust ggs
nocturne dust
lol
verbal thistle
How I got got that one time <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
f
nocturne dust
Was focusing too much on the hound 
summer timber
How I got got that one time <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
you are so afraid of that horde but i see something in ur ranged weapon slot that could make them afraid of you
i think if you swapped to infernus, m1d the horde and ran throug hthe gap and jumped off the pillar to regroup with team you mightve been ok
idk that crusher horde is still there and bomber might catch to lacking
plucky flax
Or just don't head that way. Xd
summer timber
sniper too
nocturne dust
you are so afraid of that horde but i see something in ur ranged weapon slot tha...
I had to play it very safe due to lag
plucky flax
Seperated yourself from team.
nocturne dust
Seperated yourself from team.
nocturne dust
I'm always bad at keeping track of the team when I'm stressed and h40 always stresses me
summer timber
yeah i dont play h40
maybe one day to get the title and stuff but
its just not fun for me
nocturne dust
ur team couldve used help with BBing those bulwarks
Nah, I just burn em
much faster
nocturne dust
I mean, just in general
summer timber
i never use BB without EP
plucky flax
H40 is fun and stressfree as bubble knight 
nocturne dust
Bro, my stress would go up by 1000% if I tried any sort of melee build while lagging in h40 😭
summer timber
H40 is fun and stressfree as bubble knight <:Kapp:702551877673549955>
yeah until its time to fight twins and they show up right at a part where theres no safe spot from ground pox gas
and oh look
what do you know
a crusher horde just spawned in
here take 3 Beast of nurgles too
noooo no nono no I CANT DO IT I DONT WANT TO
ITS TOO MUCH
plucky flax
Luckily fgs does insane boss damage.
It's weak against bulwarks tho
So tru might die when the walls come.
summer timber
the two handed sword you mean?
summer timber
So tru might die when the walls come.
yeah true
its a nightmare trying to hit them
nocturne dust
the two handed sword you mean?
yeh, that's FGS
summer timber
if you double push follow up stab im p sure it 1 shots their head
nocturne dust
generally how people refer to it in this chat
summer timber
but thats if you get around them
nocturne dust
if you double push follow up stab im p sure it 1 shots their head
If you have the right build
plucky flax
Force greatsword = FGS
nocturne dust
which you should if you're running it in Havoc
plucky flax
If you want easier time play ogryn and smash left click 
nocturne dust
summer timber
yeah i know lol
plucky flax
No brain required.
summer timber
ive tried a few times
determined i'd rather rely on vet VoC gold toughness
because sometimes you cant with other ppl
nocturne dust
If you want easier time play ogryn and smash left click <:Kek:846442276833591326...
I find Ogryn way harder simply because of the dodge shenanigans they have
Moment a net comes I'm toast
summer timber
If you want easier time play ogryn and smash left click <:Kek:846442276833591326...
yeah ive been playing that recently lol
ive never really liked ogryn
150-200+ on all characters except him
verbal thistle
ur team couldve used help with BBing those bulwarks
I was good
I had most agro
and I can kite
I had kraks
fuck bulwarks
nocturne dust
Yeah, my team was fine, lol. I never really had to worry too much about them.
summer timber
im just saying thats what i wouldve done lol
like if put in that position
id help clear the bs enemies
attend to incoming horde when it gets there
nocturne dust
Except that one point when I was one of the 2 survivors
plucky flax
I find Ogryn way harder simply because of the dodge shenanigans they have
You have to save dodges for specials when they come. Take hp damage rather than die
nocturne dust
You have to save dodges for specials when they come. Take hp damage rather than ...
My psyker brain will not let me
summer timber
ogryn helped me learn how to slide attack
blissful solar
the hardest part about havoc 40 is being able to get used to it. i wish there was a difficulty that had the same breakpoints as havoc 40 but was just a little bit more manageable so you could ease into the rest
nocturne dust
You have to save dodges for specials when they come. Take hp damage rather than ...
Also, I'm certain that if I did teach myself to do that, I'd then suck way worse at psyker
Brain no want to turn tactics off
plucky flax
Only really pro players can play all 4 classes (not me im 2 max at any given time)
steady torrent
Only really pro players can play all 4 classes (not me im 2 max at any given tim...
Shitt, ima pro player
steady torrent
the hardest part about havoc 40 is being able to get used to it. i wish there wa...
The skull event was somewhat close to havoc 40, wish they did that for maelstrom or regular missions
formal harness
Only really pro players can play all 4 classes (not me im 2 max at any given tim...
Lies, I saw this man outperforming 3 purg psykers with a kantrael lasgun vet
steady torrent
Moment a net comes I'm toast
Real, nothing can kill me but a one single trapper with a job application ready to trap me
plucky flax
Id prefer h40 hp and spawn but without gimping players survivability with low hp toughness and regen. I'd enable more funky builds and just grind through the map
plucky flax
Lies, I saw this man outperforming 3 purg psykers with a kantrael lasgun vet
I think you mistaken me for some unsanctioned guy.
nocturne dust
Id prefer h40 hp and spawn but without gimping players survivability with low hp...
Sorry, did you say nuke ammunition
nocturne dust
I hear ogryn has a launcher for those called a 'rumbler' or something
rain aspen
Do Warp Charges work with Scryer's Gaze?
wraith sphinx
Doesn't 40k not really have nukes in general
wraith sphinx
Do Warp Charges work with Scryer's Gaze?
They do but imho putting the two together is a waste
summer timber
Id prefer h40 hp and spawn but without gimping players survivability with low hp...
this, it gets to the point where it feels like even my best weapons can hit like wet noodles, i think the overall system is fine but you get to a point where it just doesnt become fun anymore
summer timber
Do Warp Charges work with Scryer's Gaze?
your do you have your Warp Charges built to do? I would assume they go towards refilling SG yeah
rain aspen
They do but imho putting the two together is a waste
Disrupt Destiny is generally pretty good for it I thinl
wraith sphinx
Indeed it is 👍
summer timber
yeah i use dd on my SG build and it works good
rain aspen
your do you have your Warp Charges built to do? I would assume they go towards r...
There was a bug. I can't find if it was fixed
summer timber
maybe not then, idk tbh ive never tried
wraith sphinx
Also I missed dd talk last night cos I went to sleep early but my take is either take lingering influence or perfectionism + cruel fortune
wraith sphinx
You don't target hunt though
Like 8 out of 10 times the marked target is something you were about to kill anyways
I've had matches where that wasn't the case but those were exceptionally rare for me
summer timber
5s is really not that short too honestly
rain aspen
If folks can confirm that warp siphon works with scryer's gaze. DM me.
nocturne dust
5s is really not that short too honestly
complete lies
summer timber
at a certain point there are so many enemies in front of you that you just build it naturally
nocturne dust
Yes
wraith sphinx
5s is just barely enough
nocturne dust
But why not build it faster
summer timber
But why not build it faster
you are by getting 2 stacks every 1 kill
wraith sphinx
Without cruel fortune and a good aim you're better off with lingering for the sake of keeping dd bonus consistent
summer timber
thats 10s anyway for every 1 kill
nocturne dust
you are by getting 2 stacks every 1 kill
that's cruel fortune, yes
wraith sphinx
2 stacks?
summer timber
most of my kills with it come from assail anyway
or headshots because i can see them through everything
wraith sphinx
So that's 15 seconds
summer timber
yeah exactly
15s vs. 30s per 1 kill
15s is still a pretty long time and you're getting more precision dmg
nocturne dust
Well yes, but actually no
wraith sphinx
I'm just saying either or combination works and it depends on how many points are you willing to invest into dd
nocturne dust
because you are liable to jump up and down stacks much more by virtue of them decaying every 5 seconds
summer timber
i have been using Lingering Influence and Cruel Fortune with DD and getting 1mil dmg
so it def works
wraith sphinx
Void that only really happens on non high intensity missions
summer timber
but i want to try with perfectionism because it does sound like it would be better
wraith sphinx
If youre playing aurics you are always guaranteed a target and will not lose ur stacks unless you die
summer timber
i would personally rather have more dmg
nocturne dust
Void that only really happens on non high intensity missions
I've tracked uptime in Aurics
Might be different in Havoc, but I don't do gunker in Havoc most of the time
summer timber
i only play maelstrom, i cant even play Auric QP anymore its not enough for me
nocturne dust
Aurics includes maelstroms
summer timber
I don't do havoc most often too
summer timber
Aurics includes maelstroms
I disagree
wraith sphinx
I play auric damnation quickplay and rarely maelstroms
wraith sphinx
(Maelstroms are full of actual bad players)
nocturne dust
I disagree
When I say it, I am referring to both.
nocturne dust
So we disagree
Semantic strawman. It's not really relevant to the discussion.
summer timber
Semantic strawman. It's not really relevant to the discussion.
Exactly
wraith sphinx
I have tried climbing havoc ranks with my gunker
Stuck at low 20s filter because randoms don't know how to fight karnak twins
Now I dont play havoc anymore
summer timber
twins are def a firewall
wraith sphinx
I reached 29 with my vet during 1.0
summer timber
with the old gun fire rate too??
nightmare
i hated that stupid modifier
so glad they changed that dumb bs
wraith sphinx
Got the full armor set and a golden title now idc about havoc no more, at least till new season
wraith sphinx
I'm not interested, sounds like ASS grinding but worse
nocturne dust
I'm glad I got true survivor before the Havoc changes
summer timber
i think ASS would probably be more difficult
at least with True Survivor you only have to do it once
nocturne dust
i think ASS would probably be more difficult
Not a chance
summer timber
ASS you have to do 5 times
nocturne dust
Sure
summer timber
Dude
wraith sphinx
And ASS grinders already shit up enough auric maels despite ragequitting voiding their streak now
summer timber
That's five entire games
summer timber
Not dying to ANY stupid bs
nocturne dust
that's easy, especially in auric
nocturne dust
compared to the whole team not dying in Havoc
True survivor requires the whole team survivors, including any bots that spawn if someone DCs
summer timber
And ASS grinders already shit up enough auric maels despite ragequitting voiding...
proud to say i never got ASS by leaving before i died
i am. legit.
nocturne dust
I got auric exemplar and ASS at the same time by messing around
summer timber
my message got blocked hold on
i was too vuglar
i feel like True Survivor is def one of those ones where you need to LFG or at least get a team that synergizes well together and play like everyone is wearing a leash
nocturne dust
Yep
summer timber
compared to ASS
wraith sphinx
You need a squad of voicechatters
raven mountain
I mean, I've gotten it a half dozen times in random LFG queues.
nocturne dust
You need a good 4-man, and you need them to be way more coordinated
summer timber
most ppl are dealing with rando teammates
who will leave you for dead if you get trapped
raven mountain
At least in old havoc
summer timber
or forget to get the pox hound off of you
raven mountain
haven't done much of new havoc
wraith sphinx
who will leave you for dead if you get trapped
Yeah
summer timber
or revive you in bomber fire
wraith sphinx
Idc enough to lfg in discord but if I really wanted I would
nocturne dust
I mean, I've gotten it a half dozen times in random LFG queues.
This Discord has more competent players
summer timber
Idc enough to lfg in discord but if I really wanted I would
im too afraid
dark swift
What's the dumpstat for Electro Staves?
nocturne dust
so kind of a biased sample
wraith sphinx
I've already played havoc with cool psyker chat ppl here before
nocturne dust
What's the dumpstat for Electro Staves?
see pins
raven mountain
This Discord has more competent players
No no no, you misunderstand. I mean the ingame one.
summer timber
What's the dumpstat for Electro Staves?
i have a balance between warp resistence and quell speed, its one of those two
nocturne dust
No no no, you misunderstand. I mean the ingame one.
summer timber
i think
nocturne dust
Impossible
wraith sphinx
Oh you use party finder? Ew
raven mountain
Like fully random people, but had to spend more time looking for groups than I did playing.
wraith sphinx
Party finder is just manual mm
summer timber
i also use party finder for havoc
nocturne dust
Nobody used party finder before the Havoc changes
steady torrent
Oh you use party finder? Ew
Da fuc you use?
summer timber
i have used party finder havoc since it has released
raven mountain
Yeah, I climbed to 40 in party finder, and managed a handful of true survivors in it.
nocturne dust
I use party finder now, but they changed it a little so it wasn't as crap
raven mountain
Honestly better luck there than in groups here.
summer timber
the life of having no friends bro
wraith sphinx
Party finder is like 50% of the reason I can't stand havoc
summer timber
every single thing ive done in this game has been randos/solo
wraith sphinx
every single thing ive done in this game has been randos/solo
Same
raven mountain
Most random groups wanting to do havocs I run into here are like 25ish, and they have a really hard time.
summer timber
sometimes i struggle in havoc too
wraith sphinx
I've got about a dozen friends who've been darktiding way before I did but they play once every two months
raven mountain
But I also don't post and search for people doing 40s, so that's not really saying anything.
summer timber
but its more sometimes just instantly dying to something i couldnt see
summer timber
I've got about a dozen friends who've been darktiding way before I did but they ...
none of my friends like the setting which i dont understand
this is probably the most interesting setting ive seen for a 40k game
raven mountain
roster prog was by far the worst part of havocs before, and the couple times I tried after havoc changes, people were outright assholes to each other about loadouts and comps.
wraith sphinx
Made some recent friends too that also started playing relatively recently but they're just casuals and we play standard heresy
summer timber
roster prog was by far the worst part of havocs before, and the couple times I t...
i remember this
drove me away sooooo bad
wraith sphinx
this is probably the most interesting setting ive seen for a 40k game
That's a damm shame
nocturne dust
none of my friends like the setting which i dont understand
I too don't like the setting
summer timber
how tho
summer timber
oooo i understand
wraith sphinx
I love the setting, I've been dying to slum it inside the depths of a hive city since forever
summer timber
i could care less about the space marines and stuff when it comes to 40k
wraith sphinx
Ah
summer timber
i like learning about the people and stuff
raven mountain
It's weird, but you're too in it to see much, but you're also too high-ranking to really feel the dystopia.
raven mountain
I'm kinda ambivalent. I like it enough because I know the lore, but I'm not too hyped about much of it.
wraith sphinx
Also yeah I can't stand the space marine glazing and stuff like that
But love the IG and all the regular human joes doing their thing
nocturne dust
Also yeah I can't stand the space marine glazing and stuff like that
Halo made me like marines more than 40k did
steady torrent
Also yeah I can't stand the space marine glazing and stuff like that
Tbh, that how i got into 40k but looking more in the 40k universe is crazy
raven mountain
Other way around for me. I'm not into chapter politics, but I do like SM.
wraith sphinx
Bruh!
summer timber
I'm kinda ambivalent. I like it enough because I know the lore, but I'm not too ...
i think its going to start getting interesting now we've learned about the adominition and some of the mortis trials stuff
the groundwork is kinda laid out right now
its time for them to start building
raven mountain
Normal people? Dying by the trillions? Dystopic ww1-esque conditions? Never been my jam.
summer timber
hopefully arbites will help with that
wraith sphinx
I get that space marines are a critically important propaganda symbol amongst everything they actually do but some people go overboard with fanboying them, reminds me of caglarp in a bad way
nocturne dust
Normal people? Dying by the trillions? Dystopic ww1-esque conditions? Never been...
"everything is suffering and we're all going to die"
"war is hell"
"yada yada"
summer timber
I get that space marines are a critically important propaganda symbol amongst ev...
i care waaaay more about the imperial guard stuff than i do about space marines
which is also part of darktides appeal for me
raven mountain
But space marines actually have enough power to do something about it, even if they're still very vulnerable in the scheme of things.
wraith sphinx
Hell ya
nocturne dust
How am I supposed to like a universe if everyone is bad and the only thing we have to lose is suffering
raven mountain
It's the beauty of living in general. The plant growing out of the concrete road.
summer timber
How am I supposed to like a universe if everyone is bad and the only thing we ha...
i think the hopelessness adds to the vibe for a lot of the different parts, because yeah even though everything is doomed there are people who dont act like that at all
wraith sphinx
40k's ace in the sleeve has always been stringing people along who want to just do a "your dudes" fantasy
nocturne dust
It's the beauty of living in general. The plant growing out of the concrete road...
If I wanted the beauty of living I'd grab a drink and go outside
wraith sphinx
Idc about lore orthodoxy or shit like that
raven mountain
Perseverence in the face of overwhelming odds. There's also a bunch of duty elements too.
nocturne dust
raven mountain
Cool story. Doesn't change the fact that that's kinda the crux of things.
World sucks. Their world sucks more. They still fight for it.
nocturne dust
Perseverence in the face of overwhelming odds. There's also a bunch of duty elem...
Yes, but my problem is for what
Everything is suffering
The entire Imperium is an orphan crushing machine
wraith sphinx
Also it might sound crazy but I enjoy depressing fictional settings, sometimes they help me appreciate the joys of real life more
summer timber
I've never really cared about any of the 40k games. Even SM2 was kinda meh for me, but Darktides atmosphere and just overall feeling of 40k is so unmatched
nocturne dust
I like Darktide for the gameplay
summer timber
like i dont feel as immersed or find it as believable than darktide
summer timber
I like Darktide for the gameplay
im around for the gameplay too
but i can also appreciate the setting that the gameplay is being taken place in
and im excited to see where the story might go
wraith sphinx
I like everything about darktide. Just about every aspect of it is my jam
summer timber
^
wraith sphinx
Been a fan of jesper kyd's compositions ever since I played a demo of Freedom Fighters as a kid
nocturne dust
I'd disappear if a game like this (with at least similar amounts of polish/balancing/non-egregious monetization if not better) released but was LOTR or Star Wars themed
raven mountain
You don't have to like it, and you don't have to even give a fuck, but that's the whole thing about it. You could also look at it like any story of people living through the holocaust or through wildly oppressive regimes. People live in shit and squalor, yet they still choose to live, even if you might choose otherwise.
It's not the world's perspective that's the problem, it's yours. The great thing is that it really doesn't matter if you don't appreciate it—you don't have to.
summer timber
You don't have to like it, and you don't have to even give a fuck, but that's th...
Look at Zola as a character, as bland as she is she kinda represents the whole "Perservence through the grimest odds" with her growing up in the torrent and everything
raven mountain
Exactly.
nocturne dust
hordes of what
Droids probably
wraith sphinx
They immediately make whatever is going on deeply uninteresting because they can just basically think a solution into existence
nocturne dust
or clones
raven mountain
Rising up. Bringing others up and giving them a chance to serve and do more than just die in squalor.
nocturne dust
you could also do hordes of those Geonosians
raven mountain
the IG are probably the easiest to see it in, but it's pretty much the absolute crux of the setting.
summer timber
She's the only one doing any real work too, she figured out the cult stuff looong before Ranick did
wraith sphinx
LOTR could definitely use some love too, but I don't care for fantasy
nocturne dust
Rising up. Bringing others up and giving them a chance to serve and do more than...
Yes, but my problem isn't perseverance or duty
those are good and cool, and I appreciate them
my problem is all that duty is in service to an orphan crushing machine
raven mountain
That's my exact point
wraith sphinx
She's the only one doing any real work too, she figured out the cult stuff looon...
She also sabotages herself by overinvesting in wolfer
summer timber
She also sabotages herself by overinvesting in wolfer
She's overzealous, she's a character with flaws
raven mountain
It's like I may be able to say what I want about what I'd do if I were currently starving and being bombed day in and day out. But I'm not actually there, so my personal thoughts on the situation there don't really matter.
You get to talk about the utter horrors of their system because we get to live in the relative comfort of ours. But the basic crux of humanity is the will to live.
You don't have to like the machine
you can think anything negative you like.
summer timber
She's used to growing up in the torrent and handling business on her own, she's not cut out of military life much less secret inquisition work against a planet-ending threat
wraith sphinx
Yup
raven mountain
But none of that changes or affects the baseline meaning.
summer timber
And its' not even like shes doing this because she really loves the imperium
It's a personal vendetta
raven mountain
You not liking their orphan-crushing doesn't change the fact that these people in that society choose to live.
summer timber
Fits into that theme of "Do the ends justify the means?"
wraith sphinx
Yup yup
nocturne dust
It's like I may be able to say what I want about what I'd do if I were currently...
Sure, and that is what makes it so horrific
raven mountain
Exactly. And that's what helps push the meaning harder.
nocturne dust
You not liking their orphan-crushing doesn't change the fact that these people i...
and so did Nazis, and I definitely don't admire them.
summer timber
You don't have to admire any of the factions
wraith sphinx
GODWIN'S LAW AHHHHH
summer timber
You probably shouldnt
wraith sphinx
Anyways all this chat just makes me want to play some 'tide, later folks
summer timber
But I think out of all of them we can probably relate with the Imperium and Astartes the most since they're humanity's last united front, everyone is on the same page whether they like it or not
nocturne dust
All things have a desire to live, and that can easily be abused and misused. There's nothing special about that, human or otherwise.
raven mountain
People admire Ann Frank. She wasn't a nazi, but she lived in nazi germany. Her story of trying to live is paralleled in baseline meaning by the entirety of the 40k universe.
If you can't appreciate stories about living, regardless of the situation, that's fine.
But that's still what it's all about.
blissful solar
Anne*
summer timber
The God Emperor's rotting corpse being kept just baaaarely alive so he doesnt usher in an inevitable new age i think is a better example directly from the setting
nocturne dust
Except 40k is all about war, not living
These aren't really stories of living at all
raven mountain
And it's also the case for all the factions. Necrons ate their own souls and slept for millenia to survive.
summer timber
Except 40k is all about war, not living
War is a big part of life
And often the end of it
blissful solar
there are people in the imperium and such that dont fight (for the pointless orphan killing machine). they're dead or they serve chaos (or other things)
upbeat wedge
@abstract arch are you able to dm/ post your psyker skill tree when using voidblast staff, just doing some experimenting, would be much appreciated :)
raven mountain
The dark eldar do all their atrocities to survive being consumed by a chaos god.
summer timber
40k skims over that stuff a lot.
can you imagine reading a 40k lore book thats about some shithead farmer on some agri world
do you think that would sell well
raven mountain
The eldar destroyed their individuality and emotions to survive being consumed by a chaos god.
nocturne dust
and it is those small bits and pieces of non-war that make the war all the more important. If it's just war all the time, the only thing you have to lose by dying is suffering.
and it is war all the time
In the name, really
raven mountain
And saying that is like saying that anyone living through hardship should just die.
summer timber
i think 40ks actual writing is spotty at times, and personally i dont care what the majority of the writing and lore is about in all honesty
i think the setting and what it represents however is cool, and its up to us to imagine what those little moments would be
nocturne dust
And saying that is like saying that anyone living through hardship should just d...
Anyone living through eternal suffering and hardship should definitely consider their options carefully.
raven mountain
You're coming from a place of privilege by comparison and telling them that life of any kind isn't worth it. It's your opinion from your experiences.
Hot political take then. Expanding on your statement is that the Gazans should just kill themselves because they're being systematically genocided, starved, bombed, and oppressed.
nocturne dust
Well, no, you see, the thing about wh40k that makes it both unrealistic and not comparable to the real world is that the suffering is both eternal and completely pointless
summer timber
Hot political take then. Expanding on your statement is that the Gazans should j...
holy cow what an escalation
summer timber
Yeah sadly not
raven mountain
The world of 40k is full hell, and so is that.
nocturne dust
Hot political take then. Expanding on your statement is that the Gazans should j...
You're sliding on a slippery slope taller than Everest
raven mountain
Saying that there's no meaning to living through adversity that doesn't seem like it will end is literally that.
steady torrent
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Me frfr
raven mountain
There's no slippery slope here. It's your exact logic.
nocturne dust
It's really not
It explicitly is eternal and pointless. The whole point of 40k is the endless war, the orphan crushing machine, and the fact everything is always (somehow) on the decline
blissful solar
some lives really arent worth living though. it's not like that recognition is thought of as good, it's tragic beyond belief. but it's true.
summer timber
Well, no, you see, the thing about wh40k that makes it both unrealistic and not ...
yet in the face of that suffering and hopelessness, much of humanity still remains strong and unrelenting
blissful solar
the problem in reality is that we dont know whose life is truly without value of living. this could be someone who is themselves deeply evil OR someone who suffers in an unfathomable way with no end
and we have hope
but some lives dont have hope
raven mountain
Yeah. We understand that the timeframe for all of it is significantly longer.
But do you really think that most people in that setting even understand history in any significant way?
Uneducated masses living their lives.
nocturne dust
yet in the face of that suffering and hopelessness, much of humanity still remai...
As a deluded patient in hospice might proclaim they can still survive, sure.
summer timber
As a deluded patient in hospice might proclaim they can still survive, sure.
Well yeah thats kind of the point
I mean look at cadia
Cadians fighting as the world underneath of them literally shatters
nocturne dust
But do you really think that most people in that setting even understand history...
Well, I'm not hating on specific characters, I'm hating on the setting
warm flare
i became an unsanctioned pysker
raven mountain
You don't have to like the setting, and it might even make you feel things you don't like, but it's basically one giant story about living.
All of the stories.
All of the characters.
The entirety of all the races.
Various forms of "I will survive."
nocturne dust
I don't give a crap how much the inhabitants of the universe understand it, the universe itself is as emotionally bland as sand
blissful solar
i think it's safe to assume that this conversation is basically just a form of projection
summer timber
i think thats what makes darktide an interesting take on the setting
because even tho we are really good at what we do
and important to our cause
we're nobodies
blissful solar
a projection of our underlying philosophies about perseverence and the value of life
nocturne dust
You don't have to like the setting, and it might even make you feel things you d...
Sure
summer timber
no one will remember our names
nocturne dust
I don't know how that matters tho
Cool, it's a story about suffering, the human condition and surviving
raven mountain
You asked what the point was.
summer timber
we are the "little story" that will go untold in the history book of atoma
raven mountain
Then you didn't like what the point was, and you basically said they should just die.
blissful solar
for some people in 40k there IS no point
nocturne dust
You asked what the point was.
Rhetorically, to communicate that they are fighting for, basically, nothing
raven mountain
to live.
So their families can live.
So their people can live.
They are fighting for a purpose
nocturne dust
Except none of that is true
raven mountain
Regardless of whether you like it or not.
summer timber
its the same reason why the argument "why do i even get up in the morning, the sun is gonna explode and none of it will matter" is so stupid
raven mountain
^
summer timber
because yeah things might not matter in the future
but right now, in this moment, you are alive
and later, someone else will be alive
blissful solar
this conversation is silly. it isnt just one or the other. some of them can have lives that arent worth living but many others could have a valuable persevering life as described by Raven
raven mountain
It's basic bitch shit, and it doesn't have a ton of texture
blissful solar
it isnt as simple as that all lives have a purpose or should go on. some lives are not like that, that's part of the tragedy
life is not so simple and beautiful, like a hallmark movie
summer timber
doomer mentality