#psyker-class
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Big ass fucking head lmao
"tuck your arms in" TURN YOUR HEAD AROUND
that chest piece from it is ugly tho for sure
oh you mean that one in game
the one on the model is like
legs are just recycled too
Most armor
maybe its because i have neckpain irl
Need a torso for my navigator look and match with my wife
Too bad it will hide his beautiful face
roguetrader bundle if it comes back
I'm glad at least one of the hoods matches with it
ah see i forgot which one i used but not that one cause the green is too bright
Red
think just a black one
hmm whcih one am i thinking of then
The camo hood with no facemask works too
there is a blue and gold chest piece that looks good
Yeah sanctioned psyker smth smth
Forgot his name
But that too is sick
Too bad the flap clips with nearly every pant
and its our only cape 😭
My "Definitely not a Psyker" drip
no its okay he has the skull belt buckle all is well
need skull tattoos as well
the sheer amount of skull belt buckles
Tattoos are cool as shit
Why is your character homeless?
Most cosmetics cover them
wish i could have a orc skull or some shit
bold of you to assume any of our rejects have a home
why is your REJECT homeless
Mine don't look homeless, they could have homes, we don't know
I wanted to make a dashing red low-profile outfit
not anymore they dont
but the fucking back is white
you were snatched right out of execution my man
I was there by mistake
horrendously bad fatshark cosmetic design
what is the point of having that leather bit on the shoulders
it looks out of place
fatshark does not design the cosmetics
so you can very much direct complaints to GamesWorkshop
they all in general go to gamesworkshop anyways
Isnt it loose padding from the collar?
they do some of the modeling as asked, but they dont make any of the decisions
To show the progress of getting the full cape from the penances
can that even be classified as a cowl?
I mean its still there under the cape
it just looks wrong imo
im convinced its just anti-chafe padding
surprised we give any comfort to psykers
Then I don't know, I never noticed it under the full cape 
They probably did it themselves from found scraps
mayhaps
Part of the collar
is the psyker ahteuntheium guide thingy ever getting updated?
Probably not
It's already not that good for info
Since it's outdated and really biased
biased how?
Some of the dump stats and blessing choices are very weird
Mostly talking about EK staff
I see
It's a good starting point, but tbh I kinda find Psyker to be one of the easier classes to build for
yeah smite will fuck you over learning how to melee and dodge when youre still learning the game
Inferno staff too last I checked
Even when it was written, 
All guides are biased.
his point is brutal momentum is bad on taxes for psykers
Taxe guide be like "Fuck it, we ball." As you stagedive ragers
if anything it's better on psyker than zealot
Does Warp Splitting grant enough cleave without Brutal?
???
that's written in the guide frog
That's definitely a take.
I had an argument here about that a yeah ago
Guide or not, that makes no sense.
oh yeah
Ignoring hitmass is infinitely more strong than having more cleave.
and you can reach OS BP on a flak rager on crit
And this is Pygex's guide?
link?
Like, the Anatheum?
Pygex's guide also rates Pen Flame as F-tier iirc

Ok well it is so I have no problem with that.
below every other blessing
Below every other blessing?
It's a worthless blessing for literally every enemy except crushers.
Might try double power taxe on Psyker

It still gives bonus damage on every enemy
I like how it says "(outdated) Tactical Axe "
and is, in fact, better than a crit dmg-wise
It's very minute.
And no, it's not better than crits.
Crits grant exponential damage to soulblaze faster because it's 2 stacks.
Do I have to go calculate it out again. I did it once already. 
That's.... that's not damage

You can go do your math and still be wrong.
I'm talking about direct damage
The more I try, I feel relic blade holds nothing on the force great sword, damn weapon could probably challenge the rest for 2nd place as best melee weapon (even come near DS)
TTK is still lower with pen flames.
yes
So its worse, glad we came to that conclusion together.
Fuckin uhhh Nexus because I like to snort warp gaze precog with my staves
the relic blade is an excellent weapon on a very good melee class
the fgs is an insane weapon on a class that can be very good in melee but demand skill
Funnily have been trying Zealot again because ogryn too easy, but damned class is so BORING
because melee psyker is zealot overclocked with no headroom for failure
If you're telling me Pen Flame is worse than Terrifying Barrage and Focused Channelling, you lose all credibility
yeah the refresh needs to drop soon
Need another melee class that is more balanced (or are not the one note joke that is zealot), I hope Arbites aren't broken, want to feed heretics to dogo and feel that is a challenge
Playing psyker is fun, but it's all I do (veteran isn't a good alternative sadly)
I mean, Zealot is supposedly getting changed at some point in the future
I would guess the major update after Arbites
I would expect so
don't want to release a brand new DLC but have everyone paying attention to a free class 
I hope it's a full rework, not just a fix
Makes sense, funnel the options to only the new class and then feed the rejects some good zealot to keep them entertained
Hopium is that we get some adjustments to ogryn to not be as absurd when the new class come
ogryn dework yeah
All changes undone 
Not THAT bad, just small stuff like cutting it's damage a little, adjust confident strike to new age ogryn and make rumbler not be so overpowered
*monkey pawn finger curls
maybe adjust dr too
Probably necessary, I see so many players just play aimlessly and be saved because ogryn is so tanky, the class should be durable but it's damage doesn't justify it
your neck has a chair
deserves to chill
Best part of force greatsword is that it comes on a class that has scrier's gaze and disrupt destiny too
the power trip from running around bonking crushers to death with it
Honest, the single target potential, the moon blade cut for hordes, and the excitement of knowing that a false step means that you get bonked by that crusher is kinda neat
i wish it had a better run animation
seeing the sword on my LEFT side
is so JARRING
Bonus points for having assail rain in the middle of your frenzy
did someone say assail
The shotgunner army when I'm with 25 DD stacks
ASS HAIL
absolute cinema
Funny thought: psyker technically has currently 2 build paths with some variations that can be skill agnostic + EP meme but feels much more varied because the staffs and guns make for a different feeling of gameplay (even if just a little)
Still waiting for the day EP buffs Assails flight time
What's the point of having a potential twelve target cap if the shard doesn't even live long enough to hit that many people outside of ultra-dense hordes.
cuz there are always ultra dense hordes
I didn't bring assail for its horde clear potential.
Make EP completely terraform your Blitz, give us the Mortis trial, Brain Burst; give us explosive assail, give us kame-hame-ha smite
thats its main use
what did u wanna use it for
like throwing knives?
it does fly for longer if you focus with LMB
Not really. It's spammable so it's useable at all times but you aren't mainlining assail for Groaners.
They are good to kill or even just stagger gunners
it has a far enough distance to not be a problem
especially when aiming so u can hit a sniper
And yeah against shooters who always spread out it will run out its clock long before it reaches its peak target cap
Assail is good just for soulstealer toughness top-up tbh
if it took down an entire room of spread out gunners
It's just generally great with DD
Which makes EP a very pointless benefit when DD outscales it too
that would make everything else pointless
Yeah,make it so EP turns the crystals into small grenades
brain rupture hits much nicer breakpoints with it
it seems people underestimate EP assail severely
Yes
As they should, DD gives them more power while feeding everything else you do
Nah, the EP keystone should make the blitzes really feel crazy
maybe using it as a toughness battery for the full team with the middle point would be a good point in EP's favour atm?
EP brain rupture accomplishes that for me, tbh
it doesn't feel that different from a revolver at that point
EP assail is more sustainable, DD assail is more burst, i prefer the sustain
I wouldn't say it's an underestimation on my part, no. Because as stated, DD buffs your entire kit rather tremendously, and still makes your shards stronger than EP when you're capped out on stacks.
The benefit of EP is that it's consistent.
and you don't really need to only spam assail
it's good to use it as a malefic momentum enabler and weave with melee or gun
But it still doesn't even achieve its own maximum potential because, again, its flight time is too short to hit most of the targets it could hit.
Get quick shards and you get basically that great uptime on Assail
i know
While getting DD
fully upgraded assail is baller
25 DD stacks Assail is insane
I wish EP would make them less charges and reload slower but they act like homing frag nades
25 DD stacks on Laspistol is
15 too, and easier to maintain
like a whole different universe of weapon too
I guess laspistol is a great candidate for perfectionist though
but I use vraks 5 and that doesn't headshot enough really to trigger the +3 bonus
ooh
is that the mark 2?
mark 10 would do it easier, but I wanna make the 2 better
I like spammy weapons with the gunker kit
since the damage bonuses are so high, why waste them shooting waaaaaaaaaaay past breakpoints with a revolver or something right
you like it more than vraks 5 gunker?
i have always stanned the laspee for gunker
especially DD
instant draw time is a big boon for scooping up blueboi stacks with headshots
yeah, that's what I'm thinking
I love the idea of 25 stack
but my vraks 5 just doesn't consistently get the headshot bonuses
and 4s delay is brutal if you're only gaining 1 stack per kill
I think if you're semi-consistently getting the bonus stacks you can take perfectionism
I'm gonna give it a try next game anyway
laspistol is really good with DD stacks, but i have good performance with ole reliable recon, to snipe ranged enemies
DD boost damage base too, and you still can use the other bonuses with a FGS
recon is just super safe, i also love it
but really the benefit is 100+ round mag, fast fire, means easy empathic evasion procs
Recon isn't bad, but it doesn't have great finesse bonuses. It loves the flat crit bonus though for infernus
funny stuff: with assail you can rapidly rack stacks with the extra from weakspot kills, since assail can track heads with ease
but that narrow consistent cone of fire is lovely
Vraks 5 is my favourite
it drifts up into a rather stable cloud after about a second
and its dps is just the best if you're hitting enough with it
its more aiming to be melee, because sometimes your team just refuse to believe the existence of specialist or gunners and you need that extra ammo over the crit potential of the laspistol
i forget exactly when they added in that last sentence
so you can just mow down anything at all in moments
but it makes 25 stacks very, very easy
so you keep recon for the pesky enemies
that monstrosities change was massive
Yeah, I started trying perfectionism after that
but I still found myself not maintaining it well enough with vraks 5
it just doesn't headshot as much as you would like imo
keep in mind you only need to be above 15 stacks for it to be worthwhile
its just 'better' to be at 25, rather obviously
you do feel the difference, but is not massive enough to say the 15 stacks is not enough to strive
nah 15 is still very solid
but what the extra 10 does for you is, yknow, a lot
another 10% flat damage, 20% crit bonus, and 30% headshot bonus, means another 50% crit headshot bonus, not including that flat damage bonus
pushes a lot of things way over the edge
BoN eating one FGS backstab from its face: IM DYING!
the DD stacks make it explode quite fast
Oh, I live for the stupid boss damage on gunker
I want that rush of the 25 stacks
I just never could make it work
maybe more tactical assail use is the way
yeah its really just about weaving
you should already be going for headshots in general, right
mathematically 25 stacks is just asking that you earn at least one blueboi headshot every 10 seconds to make it worthwhile
if you score five blueboi headshots in a ten second window with a single assail shard (it happens) you're quite ahead
It'll be broken at launch dw. They need to sell.
thats ok theyll just give arbites the dueling sword and nobody will touch the new weapons
it'll definitely be balanced around havoc 40
balanced (tm) by reddit (c)
also means putting the point into the 3 stack talent though
15 stack is slightly cheaper
I'm dropping warp speed for this build
since I don't want to lose soulstealer, quietitude or perilous
idk what your tree is, i can usually afford warp speed and even mind in motion
yeah thats right
i said it
I hear that in Havoc 50, you have to go and forge your own weapons to fight with
you can drop ethereal shards
warp splitter makes up that difference candidly and then some
Not discrediting but I'll discredit.
what mod?
You mean? What mod don't I have? 
what mods does he think give so much benefit
spidey sense mentioned reee
Thank him for contributing to global warming 
Play bubble knight if you want to feel exhilaration in havoc. 
Mate I wish it did here
It's raining here but it's not cold, just humid with no air 
tried the laspistol build! I hated it lmao
Strong wind and rain. It feels so much colder than 14 degree.
I'm just a vraks 5 stan forever I think
It just doesn't feel good to me, idk
Doesn't push my buttons the way that vraks 5 does
I'm not saying it's bad, I just don't like it as much I realise
I'd use it more in havoc but it's not as ammo efficient as recon las.
It hits way harder.
I see.
Very fast swap too.
The secret imo is to not keep it out
Get your crosshair on target with your melee
Press q
Shoot
what is that?
But it's also, yknow, a combat knife in terms of mobility
So i usually sprint around with it to keep my stamina healthy
Ubisoft hud mod. It tells you where the specials are via audio cues.
Visualizes audio cues, but not really.
but.. why
they already yap so much
i know a trapper is coming before the mf is even in the map
Okay sure but I keep having broken audio on my end. So it helps me
Pls no flame its not illegal 
I was gonna say
if the audio cues decide to work that day
gosh DARNIT! isnt it enough that it will kill veteran?
I've had so many burster literal only make 1 final ticking sound as it jumps on my back
Doesn’t every major specialist have an audio cue anyway?
they have, it actually playing is another story
Time to mort it
Skitarius is good-er.
Oooh I am gonna mortis
Ye but when there are too many elites and specials in an area (h40) somwtim3s audio just plain break
There's still the broken audio gate before the finale on the bridge
Like just no sound at all come on
Skitarius works as keep swinging and full auto and you can set it up for more complex things like heavy light loops.
On that new map
Why isn't anyone joining my mortis
I don't wanna mort it on my own
Guess I gotta mort alone
sorry i mort early on, now must do chores
That’s fair, wish there was always a stable audio cue when a conga line of bursters coming
I got 50 trials done im never touching that mode again
event done, helmet has been acquired
I can’t bring myself to play it. Haven’t done it since I played with you.
Mode just isn’t fun for me
Tru it's too boring and takes too long. 25-30 mins per round even on uprising. Pugs never do objectives

But i really like the insignia so I ground for it
I remember when they first described it as quick haha. Same time as a regular mission if not longer
😡 maybe if fatshark fixed its audio engine and dogs didnt get pushed in random directions under your feet we wouldnt need spidey sense
New picture, I almost didn't recognize clad
seriously i push one dog and i lose track of it
you got hit by a sniper staring directly at it fumbling to vault
That's his furrpersonality
even if it had blaring sirens you wouldnt dodge a hound
yam
Have you tried killing the dog, instead of pushing it?
u r noob yam
no
u have to reset it its jump timer
You should try it, it's very effective at killing dogs
Yes
That being said
Scab Flamer is currently silent
You don't even hear "Ash on the wind" no more
Are scab flamers the green or red flame ones? I’ve been playing this game for years and I can never remember the difference between Scabs and Dregs
Scab = armor, Dreg = hobo
Hey, don't diss my Bros here in Cali 😡
Dreg Cultists are more like Jehovah Witnesses that never shut the fuck up
A hobo is a hobo, be it by choice or circumstance 
Dregs arent hobos
They live in their fucked up sewer home
Where the heretics should be
i played deathloop its kinda good
if its free on gamepass give it a try
not super long tho i think around 20 hours of gameplay
Dregs don't have shoes. They are unshod.
God, psyker is soooo fragile
ScAb = Armor, dreg has no A in it, ez
Yeah, can easily tear through a horde with a great sword, but if a crusher or rager even looks at you funny
Become dust
Is that the game where you build something and it gets activated in a circle?
Fair, I’ll try to remember that from now on
To be fair, human class and multiple ragers=pain.
no
its a looter shooter
Yeah, but with psykers it only takes one or two, or at least one or two less than vet and zealot
Feels like my psyker is barely taking part in any banter
I will soon have room for a new game so I will check it out
Better goon to stellar blade instead.
Are purloin providence and cruel fortune good?
They sound good
Especially cruel fortune
Providence is not needed and Fortune is nice but also not needed if you are good at hitting marked targets, because then you will be at the cap or near the cap anyway
There are talents that quell a lot more peril a lot more consistently and if you have them already then Providence is just a wasted point
Here’s a question, which is people’s favourite psyker voice/personality?
What exactly does warp resistance do?
I don't like any of them
Like what give example
It's where you dump your stats on
They are a bit too specific, aren’t they?
The male voices are
Crack of Bone
Tranquility through Slaughter
Either an annoying insane guy
An annoying miserable loser
Or... doesn't fit my character
Female Loner and Male Seer
the insane guy is the best psyker
What exactly do they do?
Idk if I can get them
Feels like he barely talks in banter
I get that, easier to make a character around a voice than give your character one of the voices available
Psykers are unfortunately the two extremes of either never talking or never shutting up
That's not the issue, the lines are fine
But he sounds black

Crack quell 10% peril on melee weakspot kills
And tranquility quells 4% on crits from guns.
If you go for DD you can definitely pick up Tranquility and Crack of Bone shouldn't be a big investment either because you are probably on the right side anyway if you aren't running gunker to begin with
I can't imagine my guy having that voice
You can
But my guy isn't
I need crack then cuz I don't use gun
You don't need any of them
🍿
Only if it makes sense for the build to quell peril that way.
For example I wouldn't pick them on Elektro or Voidblast builds
It is not a weird thing to say, that's literally the voice
That's like saying the female savant sounds french
Which she does
So best if you just show your build at this point 
I closed the game
I don't think "French" is the same as "white"

Just show me where the nodes are
darkest skin tone in the game
Black people do have a distinct "accent", I think it is called AAVE
Palest tone also needs to be paler, I wanna look like a ghost, I wanna glow, I want to flashbang that trapper, I wanna look like a husk
I need that cassia drip
A skin tone to make flashing someone a flash bang
There was a game with "pale" as the main zombies
What was that game
Pale heads, from resident evil
I wanna look like them
The accent for the Seer is Zimbabwean 💀💀💀💀💀💀
Thats it then
Loner is German right?
Is being German worth 50k
How superior do you think you are? 
it's called wh40k so why does it cost 50k to fix your personality
at least it's free to change your appearance and stuff. that's kinda advanced
I use Seer for the high peril evil laughter, nothing more
Idk chief saying "it sounds black" is pretty SUS ngl
I didn't know how else to say it lol
It is zimbabve accent, it doesn't fit a white character, that's normal to say
I really do love the fact that clothes are more expensive than literally changing your entire identity in darktide
The barber does it for the love of the game
Isn’t Seer the one that constantly goes on about their beloved?
Yeah but a black person who lives in Harlem for example speaks very differently than someone who lives in Haiti
Oh sorry I meant Savant
The Seer is me being too silly
The Savant is Tashinga Bepete
The Seer is too insane
For my taste
Talk to your team bruh not the voices on your head
BANTER
A lot of people assumed for a long time that it was a Haitian accent, because the female version was French 💀
the seer is definitely the best
But he does have some of the better interactions with ogryns
Female judge is voiced by a japanese person iirc
But I don't hear any accent
And the male one is just British
Should have made everyone British
Or make em all french
Cause chaos
Multi-ethnic
I like how both Agitators are just raw Scottish 💀
Cuz drunk
Haruka Kuroda has lived in the UK/England since 1992
she wont have much of an accent anymore
plus and most primarily she went to acting school there
I couldn't tell
I still can't
Accents develop based on where you live, not your genes, man 
most of the voice actors are probably fairly good at fluent english
since they're english voice actors and all. so they will generally have less accent than you'd expect from a typical person of their birth and such
Yeah I know
If tf2 has taught me anything, it’s that any character/class that can charge head first into combat should have a Scottish accent
But you know, people usually live where they are born
Better yet, you can also be taught accents
you can
Would take too much time really
just try to improve slightly, dont gotta be perfect
I wonder if Devora Wilde will use ever Russian voice for the arbite, or her usual British accent
english is cursed for pronunciations though so it's probably pretty hard
I never get a chance to talk English by voice lol
What are the voice actors for Arbi? 🤔
Wait can I get a Chihuahua voice for the dog???? 💀
that should be a mod for sure
all dog noises replaced by equivalent chihuahua noises
Karl Urban?
Nah
check notes
No it is Harry Myers
It's fair because Chihuahuas are actually rodents, not dogs
He also voices wolfer
ah
rodents are cute
Some are, some less so
Can't find a famous character he voiced
Imagine if they got
Karl Urban
As one of the arbites
Medicae servitor is apperently DS2 narrator
So many of these actors are such small actors ngl I am glad they got to be in the game they did great
The flight lieutenant has literally one other credit besides darktide on imdb
i always thought rannick looked like gary oldman
which would be the most amazing casting choice ever tbh
Im really hoping Arbites pop off
I do need to invent a name for mine though
hmmm same
the arbites are basically the fbi of the imperium so i wanna think of something at least kinda fitting
Ok so I've discovered their names are pronounced as they would be in latin
Damn it, if I had the ability to, I would’ve put the ‘agent Hitler - FBI’ meme here
But alas, as a grey name I don’t have the ability to
I'm almost 100% his look was inspired by Oldman's character in Fifth Element. The resemblance is too uncanny to be coincidental.
absolutely
Jean-Baptiste Emanuel Zorg
I get the feeling lobbies on launch day are gonna be filled with arbites and their dogs, just a casual team of 8 (technically)
With the armor they wear they better at least have A robocop reference
Both is good
nah the idea is that different colonies/hives/homeworlds/sects on terra have different origins
so there is literally an area on hive tertium thats full of..... french people........... since the psykers are from atoma
there's probably entire planets with nothing but french people
which is possibly the most dystopian element of the setting
Hell
Ar beh tees
Ar beh tray ter
who else is looking forward to games filled with everybody constantly pinging?
When did you become a different shark?
when @paper dust made it for me
Yeah I'll bet rebinding my ping to lmb!
I'd love to hear FartShack explain how they did internal testing with multiple players as Arbites and the constant pinging was never annoying
after the first game it made them deaf
Now that I think about it, arbites is going to be immune to hounds lol
The only specialist that will be an issue is trappers
I'd love to also have FartShack explain why enemy ogryns can shove off the Arbites dog but our orgyns can't shove off poxhounds
simple
they are evil
our oggy is too nice to fling a dog
You'd want ogryns to be even more op? 
I've thought ogryns shouldn't be perma-trapped by poxhounds since release
God forbid ogryn have some actual threats in the game
And the funny part is that ogryn can be immune to dogs
If you build for it
just like it made no sense for an ogryn to be literally blocked from moving by a poxwalker
So it's not like even dogs are actually an issue
know what? allow an ogryn to shove off one dog after a few seconds
but if two get on, now he's pinned
No
yes
So are you gonna tell them or am I?

don't cross-post discord drama
its kinda loki op
lolll ogryn isnt op at all
Loool
id say like none of the classes are OP atm like u can still lose easily if u havent got a good team
Next you'll tell me all the weapons are balanced too
Oh no, teamwork in a team based game, I didn’t sign up for this
well the ones people sya are OP actually are balanced, they;re just good weapons alot of the weapons are really really bad tho p much all the autoguns
so tru so very truv
in fact
id go as far as to say that ogryn needs buffs
all specials should stun bosses
Yeah. Their tree definitely needs a rework, hasn’t had one for a while
Both of your takes are so horrendously wrong.
Psyker and ogryn are eating unbelievably well while vet and zeal are fucking starving.
Zeal uses the same build for literally everything.
So much so that it's literally called "The Build."
most ppl seem to think zealot and vet are OP
Well, they're wrong.
i know
If you look at the classes objectively and remove a specific few offending talents, you realize that it's just those talents that make them strong.
Go play zealout without second wind.
Or vet without iron will.
It is absolute torture for both cases.
ogryn isn't eating that well psyker is kinda OP tho
yeah maybe for heresy rank
No, auric damnation.
ogryn has literally one build
I suck horrendously with ogryn and I'm doing matches without taking hp damage.
Pls buff gunker and ogryn. They're barely hanging in there 🥺
im not i only ever see like one ogryn build maybe with the bull rush or the bodyguard taunt
That's because that's the meta build.
Go into ogryn chat and find out what people run.
gunpsyker with an autogun can do like 50k damage in one magazine, they're not that bad
You can do a diet weapon spec type deal with pbb.
I'm just saying, before you form opinions on balance, explore all possible avenues.
this is the one u see all the time
The weapons you say are "balanced," everyone else says are op, for good reason.
Especially the autoguns that you think are weak.
they're very poor
Vraks infantry is the undisputed dps king for a reason.
autoguns are very poor
No lmao.
if your build and weapons are bad yeah probably
yeah objectively
No, this is clearly an operator issue here.
anything that doesn't instantly delete every enemy is underpowered
no it's not it's math
Nothing wrong with the gun, something wrong with you.
Must I summon the numbers cat?
can someone give me a recommendation about what stat to dump on force greatsword and what perks and blessings to run?
plasma gun, duelling sword, flamer, boltgun, recon lasgun, inferno staff are my favourite weapons
Ok so all the op weapons.
dump mobility
Except recon Las it's ok.
FGS dumps warp resistance.
boltgun isn't OP, plasma gun isn't either inferno staff might be a little OP tho
the underpowered vraks autogun has no problem pulling 300k boss damage everytime i use it on monstrous specials
As for perks and blessings, I use mk8 with cara unyielding, shred wrath.
Again, wrong, it's definitely op.
yeah okay and the thunder hammer can do good boss damage but it's a weak weapon in general
So is plasma.
Wrong again!
Stop feeding the troll 
d ou actually play the same game as me?
Thunder hammer is the only balanced zeal exclusive weapon.
please explain how they are "OP"
Daring today, aren't we?
the vraks will delete anything that isnt carapace, even what it isn't that good against, its still pretty good if you shoot weakspots
yeah lmao its not OP tho its just called fun
yeah okay it falls off hard in havoc tho
Is this trolling
bc it can only do single target dmg
This looks like a troll build
its the ogryn meta
Nah
K
Plasma gun will delete anything that isn't a crusher in one shot without speccing hard into ranged damage.
Boltgun is capable of taking an entire elite pack and removing it from the game in less than one mag.
Flamer and inferno are both infinite cleave weapons that scale EXCELLENTLY into density.
Duelling sword is like if you took plasma and made it a melee weapon.
it takes 3 shots
Then your plasma gun is made wrong.
if you have it build wrong
if u played plasma u would know that it takes a few shots to kill in higher havocs
A properly made plasma oneshots everything that isn't a crusher, including reapers.
Maybe maulers take 2, idk.
the charged up shot will oneshot if u hit a weakspot
you'd find that a lot of weapons are lot better if they're built correctly with the right build and perks/blessings
I refuse to play plasmoid.
why?
Because it's not fun?
it's the most fun weapon in the game and the last one you unlock
It detracts from the fun of my team?
Yeah vraks autogun is good and fun.
go ask anyone who actually uses it an they'll tell you you're wrong
Methinks you are just not educated at all on the game.
muh detracts from my teams fun XD teehee fatshark vraks is so le based and baalnced plz nerf plasma gun
I should not be able to literally part a sea of poxwalkers in one shot to drop a trapper.
u should?
No.
plasma guns in lore do that shit u dummy
actually the antifun is shooting every single thing and never giving your teammates a chance to hit something
thats the anitfun, dog
No, plasma gun shots explode.
bro u cant shoot everything with just a vet and plasma gun
They do not pierce.
if u fully charge it explodes
You'd know that if you actually paid attention to the lore.
they definitely do pierce and melt through armour
They do melt armor but they do not pierce it.
incorrect
i dunno i think u have no idea what ur talking about
melting is the same thing as piercing
No it's not.
yup
plasma gun can absolutely be a brainless mainhand weapon, where you do basically nothing but walk around and m1
well while ur selfsucking w a vraks ill be helping my team out with a plasma gun
:^)
You mean, you'll be playing the game for them.
nah you'll be getting down to an overhead because you're bad
no u can still easily lose
Because, yknow, it's op as shit.
its really not OP as shit though, the other guns are just lacking
Nobody with any inkling of skill is going to lose with a proper plasmoid build vet.
You have to try to lose.
darktide is a power fantasy superheroes with cool guns
Chat I think this may be a hard stuck malice gamer.
if u want le tacticool awesomesauce "autoguns" just play tarkov bro
If you think plasma is the properly balanced weapon, then duelling sword is also the properly balanced weapon. And you know nothing about balance or the games power scaling
duelling sword isn't even that OP it's just really strong
Just say you like the op weapons because you're afraid of difficulty little bro.
hahaaha artifical difficulty isn't actual difficulty
No shame in that, you're just part of the 90% of the playerbase that is hardstuck malice.
U literally got this from the ogrynomicon/discord lol
yea
duelling sword can 1shots crushers, and thats overpowered
i checked pinned and the havoc build eveyrone uses was there?
Go ahead and define artificial difficulty for me, would ya?
So the build is wrong then
I'll wait.
MAP EDIT ALERT
having an autogun in high havoc
True, a lot of the ogrynomicon builds suck, unfortunately.
Sorry, Hank.
if ur so good play w me later
You'll just grief lmao.
i dont grief u dummie
Not gonna put myself through a griefing teammate.
M A P E D I T
This has been out for like 3 weeks.
I did see a gunner there
"Kid" just say you're mad dude.
i like to help new players w havoc
I always grief on grieftide
Angry trolls be angrily trolling.
Which should've made me realize something was weird about it
But it's probably because most enemies would path towards the train to your left and drop there
Anywho they removed enemies jumping up there because people would get stuck and die in a horde of shit they couldn't move through.
Oh you know
The Cliffhanger place
It has issues i mentioned rumbler blessings to hank an kerfus and they both said sticky and shattering even tho the guide says something else
i think its not updated or fully tested yet
question: how can tanner have awful builds if they use the guns you say are OP
I use sticky shrapnel.
dawg sharpnel has a range of 1
Tanners builds are generally the meta, even if you don't like him
Eh
shattering has far bigger aoe
generally
finally someone admits it
He typically builds his talents terribly and has some "interesting" choices on what to run on guns.
tanners builds are kino and im tired of people acting like they aren;t
Tan my sack
i mean if you're taking from his builds you're still doing it wrong
The fact that he still succeeds with flying colors should be proof enough that the weapons he uses are good, though.
ur too good man im gonna need to see what good talents are
if you actually read the tree theres plenty of shit that just isn't worth taking if you have a brain
Tanner said uncanny strike is bad, unironically, and when called out, doubled down on it.
tanner isn't even a darktide youtuber anymore as far as I know
Nobody with any gray matter to rub together thinks uncanny strike is bad.
Real thinkers know it's bad for the games health though.
Rending blessings do not need to exist.
Just make the base adms better.
The did the fgs right in that way
and now you have 1 stack of uncanny by default and room for another blessing
Exactly, fgs is a shining example.
It has great adms and great base damage. It doesn't need any rending or brittleness to function well.
Nah give rending on dodge
@obtuse swan The extremely underpowered vraks auto
🙂
rending on slide
Zeal tree rework talent when???
The ADMs as they are now are already uncanny 
15k damage in one magazine to a chaos spawn, not even on the weakspot
its too underpowered guys
Just remove the whole tree and make zeal tree just martyrdom.
No more anything, only martyrdom.
wow finally you said a based thing
marty just needs base stamina for wound lost and its PEAK
Shut up, I've always been based.
I bet zealot rework is fall anniversary
I pray it is.
next year
I want another rework with the arbites
It would be so fucking peak to have a new tree for Christmas.
Hey, let fartshack cook.
Infiltrate from 60seconds to 80
zealot has 1 build
Barely.
the holy path
still better than zealot
Vet tree isnt good
Zeal is higher priority but vet needs a rework again too.
Zealot is just worse
tbh im gonna be real
Yknow what, make second wind mandatory for zeal tree.
psyker tree rework was a nothing burger
Vet still strong
Make it so you physically can't progress further without taking it.
Psyker has a lot of nothing nodes but they are all out of the way
FORCE noobs to have good talents.
vet will get the next update, i feel like
they've already said it wont be left out, and people will continue to complain
i can see zealot for 4th quarter update
Vets are already complaining because they didn't get a new weapon when greatswords dropped.
but i see vet as more likely for next
they've been working on some talents that dropped in vet already
the tree needs an overhaul too
same as happened to ogryn
its just as shit and unbalanced as the rest
sadly zealot will rot 😭
Link?
I want to smell what the shark is cooking.
@buoyant maple what were the latest changes to vet tree?
hopefully more gun related things that aren't ya know dogshit
Wait that actually sounds horrible as a sentence now that I think about it.
I may explode myself.
FATSHARK, MAKE MARKSMANS FOCUS NOT SUCK AND MY LIFE IS YOURS
(it needs to work like fnp)
you will squat all game and you will like it
Bro, tryna run a melee hybrid with exe stance and ws is like you're made of fucking tissue paper
have to stretch that shit so much
Actually I do exe stance db weapon spec to great effect.
Makes oneshotting stuff quite a bit easier and I can see specialists coming.
it works well, but you're squishy af for my build
Changes to CAB, Skirmisher and kill zone in the late patch
i had to path to the otherside to get the toughness on kill, because I couldn't keep pouring ammo down the drain everytime I wasn
wasnt near teammates
lol
i like shout, but its brainless af
i like pretty much all of the abilities to varying degrees
Shout has always felt like an ‘oh shit’ panic toughness boost for me
Still run it though
Shout you can actually be very liberal with once you learn when to use it
I like the stealth abilities, zealots stealth is still fun for a knife/flamer build for boss modifier and whatnot imo
I like to run the auto revive part of it and use it as a makeshift medic type class
It's called 'off cooldown' is when you should use it
Dbs combat knife infiltrate with weapon specialist

Very fun
the revive talent is probably better earlier on. Becomes less useful at the later difficulties because, "normally" people are more experienced and go down less
kinda new to the game still, gonna try out a force sword, what blessings/perks should i run?
Nah, the added cooldown is never worth it
Just play with me. Still useful.


nothing important
nothing of any impact basically
I agree when it comes to high difficulty/auric/havoc, but in lower difficulties, I primarily only use the shout to clear enemies so that I can revive people, may as well have the game do it for me while I thin the horde
Not true, they added 10 gremlins to the code
I mean at lower difficulties it doesn't really matter, period. 
don't feed the spaghetti code after midnight
Fair
I just like making support classes/gimmicks out of classes or games that don’t really have them
Psyker is best support 
Pop quiz: How much cleave does a Blaze Force Greatsword have on a sweep heavy? How much cleave does a sweep light have?
Get your bubble, get your rending trauma
Supply everything a teammate could ask for while dealing damage
I know, that’s why Psyker’s my second main
more than a light, less than a heavy
21
its still something
thats how they started with ogryn
Me when I don’t know
Ogryn now you can put talents into anything and still preform amazing
As much as I’d love a vet rework, I feel like the best we’d get is a small buff and a reorganisation, I doubt much significant will change
dogtide
Dogtide?
Dogtide 🐕 heretics gonna feel the bark!
Yeah; feel like the theme song of that update should be Who let the dogs out
8 and 4 iirc
Could be 10 and 6. Idk after Wartide stopped updating my brain did too.
Better not be the 90s or early 2000's ASPCA animal cruelty / adoption commercials in the US.
tfw vraks is underpowered
I don’t know who in their right mind would try doing anything to a cyber mastiff, let alone while next to their arbites owner
you didn't get the memo? IAGs aren't viable anymore
Who let that first chaos spawn ascend? He can’t meet the emperor
Yes, and no.
It came to my attention that new weapon cleave values just aren't known outside of testing vaguely which is wild
Yea
Cause Wartide dude stopped 😦
But also I've been on a two-three month hiatus so my memory is very flawed lmao
Does Cliffhanger penance still need to be done with vent
nope
easiest way is smite/vent/forcepush
and any combination of those



