psyker-class

[rigid sky]

Similar to a chain weapon

(but warpy)

[minor trout]

Sick

Unlocking purgatus will take a while

[rigid sky]

Deimos usually doesn't get charged, but you can do it if you want to be fancy

It's not called Purgatus any more, it's called Inferno now, so don't get confused looking at the shop screens

hasn't been purgatus for months

[minor trout]

I know it looks like so it is fine

[rigid sky]

(I hate that they changed the names lmao)

[minor trout]

The wiki is outdated then

I spent too much on the trauma staff rn I guess lmao

[rigid sky]

Voidblast, as it is now

[minor trout]

I hope the force sword I spent resources on had good stats cuz I didn't look

[rigid sky]

Voidblast is an absolutely great staff too

[minor trout]

Lame name

I hate it's secondary attack

[rigid sky]

needs to be max stats to be good really though

Random levelling ones aren't up to much

Purgatus scales downwards better

[minor trout]

Max being mobility 60 rest 80?

Can they even be over 80%?

[rigid sky]

Staves don't have mobility

[minor trout]

Why is there a 100% meter if 80% is the max?

[minor trout]

What is the dump stat

[rigid sky]

Inferno and Voidblast both dump warp resistance

[minor trout]

What does that do

[rigid sky]

Decreases peril costs, but scales poorly compared to the other stats.

[minor trout]

Damn

[rigid sky]

And about the 100% vs 80% thing, it's vestigal for what they had originally planned to do with the weapons, is the leading theory

alternatively, it's to signify that we're rejects, and we aren't getting good gera

[minor trout]

So it can't go above 80? Ever?

[rigid sky]

*gear

[minor trout]

The total stat can only be 380%?

[rigid sky]

We're getting the damaged, worn out hand-me-downs from actual inquisition or militarum operatives

[minor trout]

Lame excuse kinda but cool

[proper trellis]

So I finally managed to get the cliffhanger penance after failing to do so with the methods in one of the pins. I will explain how in case someone else might find this useful, as I have suffered a lot with this penance.
You will need the smite skill with only the "Lightning storm" upgrade. The other nodes probably wont affect the result but I played it safe by not increasing damage taken.
I was able to get the penance at the start of the dark communion mission, where there's a narrow makeshift bridge towards the first room with the Medicae.
The bridge is two turns away from the location in the pic, you should get the first horde at around this point. When you hear the sound queue, rush down the path until you reach the bridge, cross the bridge and kill anything in the room, then turn around towards the bridge as the horde should start flooding in from the location where you came from. Stay slightly inside the room on the doorway, facing the bridge.
Once the horde is visible, charge up your smite and release it as soon as the bridge is full of mobs and they're just about to reach you. When the lightning has chained through a sizeable chunk of them (should be almost instant due to the charge), throw them to right.
I advise practicing the smite throw in the psykhanium beforehand if you're new to the class or skill.

@strong gulch In case you want to include this method in the pin

[rigid sky]

and Hadron tries her best, but can only do so much

[rigid sky]

That's right. Once you upgrade a weapon to 500, it will have a sum of 380 on its stat bars

We used to talk about "perfect 380s" etc back when crafting was a lottery

but now it's pretty easy and casual to just create a perfect 500 on the fly. Just takes an inordinate amount of clicking through Brunt and Hadron menus, if you don't have the mastery already levelled

[minor trout]

How is it different now

Don't u still need to gamble profane weapons?

[rigid sky]

It used to be that you couldn't pump weapon stats up

[minor trout]

How do you change them?

[rigid sky]

all you could do was boost it up to orange, and tweak the perks and blessings; and it was limited what you could do with those

and you had to "learn" blessings by sacrificing weapons that had the blessing already

[minor trout]

But how do you change the max a stat can be?

[rigid sky]

You cannot change the max; but you can just buy weapons in bulk from Brunt at like 10k a pop

[minor trout]

10k per weapon...

[rigid sky]

It's still relatively expensive on a new account

[minor trout]

Very expensive

[rigid sky]

but you earn a lot of creds playing on damnation+

[minor trout]

Don't think I ever had 10k in total

What are the best blessings for the force sword and staff?

Infernus one

[rigid sky]

It Depends :D

For the Deimos force sword, you at least want Uncanny Strike

and the other one is debatable

[minor trout]

Just soulblaze stuff?

[rigid sky]

I swear by Deflector on it tbh, because I just don't need to use the sword as a sword much

[minor trout]

On infernus

[minor trout]

Oh yeah that's a must

[rigid sky]

On the Infernus, it's more settled

You DEFINITELY want Blaze Away

and the other one is probably Warp Nexus

some people like Penetrating Flame

[minor trout]

What it do

[rigid sky]

but Warp Nexus is super good

[rigid sky]

Basically, +a lot of damage after a second or two of firing

[minor trout]

Sick for a flamethrower

[minor trout]

What does that do?

[rigid sky]

It helps you to deal more damage to armour, I forget exactly how the mechanism works on it.

I can't remember the description of the blessing so well because I didn't end up playing with it

Apart from that you want +Flak and either +Crit Chance or +Unyielding on it iirc

When Inferno staff crits it applies 2 stacks of Soulblaze instead of 1, and crits activate a lot of your talent bonuses like Empathic Evasion

[balmy kestrel]

How so?

[plucky flax]

Too far on the right. Doesn't refresh on kill but on timer. Tough condition to fulfil for 5% crit chance

[rigid sky]

Not that tough of a condition, it'll be popping any time you're using the staff right?

It's just the point investment, since an Inferno build doesn't want the other shit in that cluster

[summer prairie]

If you think psykinetic aura is too op and want to run assail, it's an okay grab

maybe you'll get slightly better EE uptime in high havoc

[marble crater]

Psy aura was nerfed, how can it be too OP?

[rigid sky]

Assail overlaps with Inferno too much anyway imo

Only blitz that makes sense with Inferno to me is Brain Rupture

I don't like Assail outside of guns or Voidstrike. Maybe Voidblast but I never tried that combo.

[summer prairie]

inferno struggles with spread out shooters when there's no cover and it's also instant stagger

whenever you don't have bubble

[rigid sky]

I just Shriek at them lmao

[summer prairie]

yeah well was doing trios yesterday and constantly wished I had assail

[rigid sky]

Which I'm aware is another significant overlap

[weary crane]

Oh they buffed desperado, nice

[rigid sky]

I guess you're talking Havoc anyway, which is not the game I play

[weary crane]

Always use kinetic flayer with inferno

The bb will get the 40% dmg bonus

[rigid sky]

Man I love the buff Flayer got

It actually feels amazing now

So worth the random poxburster comedy moments

[weary crane]

Yeah thats the problem

[rigid sky]

You can play around it anyway

Only staff LMB if they're still out of range

And never do the double force sword push on them

And you're fine

[weary crane]

Hard with soulstealer and wildfire

[rigid sky]

Soulstealer is just toughness regeneration on warp kills

Do you mean PC?

[deft stump]

Guess where earlier.

[blazing drift]

does anyone have a havoc build for trauma, either the rending or the fire?

[marble crater]

Gooner restaurant?

[deft stump]

Sushiro.

They are sold out on everything but the picks.

And it's 99% Sundays left.

[marble crater]

You can use the one that's pinned and use shield instead, if you want

[marble crater]

Hope it tasted as good as it looks

[deft stump]

I had 10 plates, IDK the cap on codes.

[marble crater]

[deft stump]

The Unagi one, absolutely.

[marble crater]

Karien the anime character who just eats half the restaurant

[deft stump]

I had other stuff as well.

Mom glared at me having like so much sashimi.

And well, said 10 collab plates. Well, she ate 2.

Because Unagi.

Is so much cheaper than in Singapore tbh.

[marble crater]

Are you still able to walk or are you too full now?

[deft stump]

Over 20 plates and less than what we spend in Singapore.

[deft stump]

I could walk, mom too tired.

Sadly, no room for the dessert to gamble stickers.

[marble crater]

[deft stump]

I lost so hard on the picks already.

[plucky flax]

Sounds like a great restaurant. Goon and eat my 2 favourite pastimes.

[weary crane]

Does DD proc from teammates killing marked or just you?

[marble crater]

You need to kill the marked targets, you might get credit if you attacked it and a teammate kills it shortly after, not sure if that's just for the greatsword charges or not

[weary crane]

Ig i should take 10s on havoc then

[rigid sky]

I think it refreshes if you hit a marked target, but doesn't add another stack?

Lingering Influence was always my preferred mod for it anyway, although the fact that it refreshes on hitting a boss might change that for me

[weary crane]

Yeah

[minor trout]

Not carapace?

[weary crane]

"One with the warp" I've never tested the tdr points, does it give base 10 or ?

[rigid sky]

Only affects Crushers iirc, maybe Scab Ragers too now? In any case, it's A: too niche, and B: you don't typically target Crushers with an Inferno on purpose

[minor trout]

I see

Someone told me to use carapace and unyielding for pretty much everything

[rigid sky]

Unyielding gives better boss dps

[minor trout]

Unyielding and flak then

[rigid sky]

That "someone" is a dummy lol

[minor trout]

I see

[rigid sky]

Flak and Maniac are a more universal ranged choice if you want to just slap something on things without thinking.

[deft stump]

Is just Sushiro having a Star Rail collab.

[rigid sky]

But on Inferno I would take Flak and crit chance or Flak and Unyielding for sure

[marble crater]

also soulblaze doesn't deal enough damage to carapace to begin with

[minor trout]

I am gonna use flak and unyielding or crit and unyielding

[rigid sky]

Yeah, that's what I meant by point B, thanks for clarifying

[rigid sky]

Flak is essential though

[marble crater]

No, flak is a must

[rigid sky]

Do not skip that

[marble crater]

Inferno targets the base armor of enemies, which is flak for almost everything that's human sized

[minor trout]

I see

So flak and crit?

Or flak and unyielding?

Unyielding sounds more useful ig

[marble crater]

I do flak and unyielding as well, you have enough crit chance really

[rigid sky]

Crit is more of a defensive stat I would say, for that staff

You can take it just for the EE synergy

More chance to be in autododge state

Unyielding will help you melt bosses and bulwarks better

[minor trout]

I will leave them to ogryns lol

And brain burst

Might need the dagger one for further enemies tho

[marble crater]

For bosses you use inferno on them for a while, then switch to BB to burst a few times and then switch to inferno to apply new stacks until max stacks

Or... just use inferno all the time

[minor trout]

I see

[rigid sky]

You can also stab them in the head with your Deimos

[minor trout]

True

[rigid sky]

but again, get that max stack rolling

[minor trout]

Maybe I should get used to assail...

It seems versatile but

[rigid sky]

or even better, get your max stack rolling, and then slap a shriek on

[minor trout]

Well what do I use as the skill?

[rigid sky]

Assail is great but I don't take it with Inferno

[minor trout]

How do I see the stacks?

[marble crater]

You don't

[rigid sky]

You have a gaping hole in your strengths, if you take Assail with it

[minor trout]

Ah

Just eyeball it?

[rigid sky]

Yeah, you generate 1-2 stacks every 0.35 seconds iirc?

[marble crater]

Taking Assail means no Psykentic's Aura, very sad

[weary crane]

Speed psyker so so fun but so squishy

[rigid sky]

I think that's the tick rate of the staff

[weary crane]

Requires so much skill

[rigid sky]

Psyk Aura is really, really, really good but you can sacrifice it if it's a build where Assail REALLY makes sense

[marble crater]

If you are on PC there are mods for that, but I don't know them

[rigid sky]

but it doesn't make that much sense on Inferno

[minor trout]

Psyk aura?

The one that raises crit chance or smth?

But what about the active skill?

Wait wrong chat

That was for lore chat lol

[marble crater]

One of our best talents

[weary crane]

Which you can't get with assail

[rancid mauve]

Why

[weary crane]

Look at the talent tree

[minor trout]

You can get any skill with any aura with ant blitz I believe

But I wanna know which active skill to pick

The red ones

[rigid sky]

Psyk Aura, confusingly, is not an Aura

it's a blue node that's in the region between blitzes and auras

on the left side, as an alternative pick to Wildfire

it is inaccessible if you take Assail

All abilities are good tbh. I would take Shriek (with the creeping flames modifier) or shield, with Inferno.

(Probably dome, although walls can be good too)

Shriek is actually really versatile, and does a lot of... I hesitate to call it "burst" because it's through a DoT, but that's pretty much what it is

[vagrant cedar]

shield

shiels is op

and you branch right

[minor trout]

But then I can't reduce my peril with skill

[weak sierra]

Unnecessary, just quell as necessary. I like using a force sword because then you can quell with your melee weapon out.

[vagrant cedar]

you press R

and hold it

[rigid sky]

It's nice to have as an emergency save but it's better to learn not to rely on it

Especially since you're using Inferno iirc?

That staff is the easiest one to avoid overheating on

(ironically)

[vagrant cedar]

it all depends on your gameplay

if you suck at managing the peril

shriek might be good

but you shouldn't count on it

unless you use some strat

[weary idol]

Shield is simultaneously Psyker's worst ability, and also best at the same time

It does something that no other class can do (if you ignore veteran's smoke grenades), but is Psyker's only ability that does not amplify their already very high damage output

[weary crane]

It's annoying, i wanna use gaze on h40 but you're basically forced into shield

[vagrant cedar]

it kinda does tho, because you can stand and dps, there's no downtime to damage dealing

can make pushes

etc etc

[rigid sky]

Shriek's peril drop is about the Quietitude synergy really anyway

[weary idol]

scriers and venting shriek also do not have downtime

[rigid sky]

Not really the lifesaving

[weary idol]

but they add damage by reducing your perils

[rigid sky]

Also good for anti-dog

[weary idol]

(and by adding damage for SG, and soulblaze for VS)

[minor trout]

I do lol

[vagrant cedar]

you got downtime, you R

it's not really that hard

get addons that help with it as well

[rigid sky]

Anybody got that picture of the total coverage of a Shriek?

The overhead shot?

[upper sun]

man this is silly

[upper sun]

were not allowed to post it anymore the person who made it died fighting off a demonic incursion

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1292774246421889045/PsykersBuiltThepyramids.png?ex=6821b956&is=682067d6&hm=b919dfaaba657f5ffe31ea343c40a345f44f3b2913a4b423e8f4b4ebdc0c8ef4&

[minor trout]

Failed step 1

[rotund dagger]

Shield is also a really fun ability because ranged enemies can eat my jooooorrrtsss

[weary idol]

I have had basically the opposite experience of it when playing bubble psyker

Any amount of ranged enemies that is enough to be threatening is enough to kill the bubble in ~6 seconds

[runic juniper]

shield is better for nulifying specials. It helps against plink damage from the 1 or 2 shooters the team ignores, but for gunner hordes you're either already close enough to suppress/dodge/slide to get into melee or too far that sitting in the shield will get you killed when it pops

[plucky flax]

Sanctioned guy wanna get in my party

[summer prairie]

is he also the mod maker

[runic juniper]

which psyker blows up first?

[summer prairie]

Skitarius and such

[plucky flax]

I dunno I didn't take him.

Probably fake.

[summer prairie]

both fake though

[runic juniper]

nothing is real

its a dream

[plucky flax]

Ye that's not the real unsanctioned

[marble crater]

I played with him before, you are missing out, smh

[plucky flax]

Why?

[edgy heart]

you dont have to manually quell. if you think you cant manage, can always swap to your melee until it cooldowns

but quelling is a basic skill of psyker that youll eventually pick up

[marble crater]

I didn't complain afterwards, so at least he wasn't toxic or a troll that's all I remember really

[rigid sky]

Downside of quelling with Inferno staff is that it breaks your Blaze Away chain

But that refreshes so fast it's negliable

[flat nexus]

I dont think im better, we just had more spaces to kite compared to your map, the map i was on had like 3 rooms of space to kite bosses. Besides im still struggling on how to dodge muties while staff is on

[balmy kestrel]

Gah damn

[balmy kestrel]

I go towards the right with melee attack speed and crit aura anyways. I just like it with the inferno staff

[plucky flax]

Managed to do consignment yard now with purple and orange.

The spawns were tame tho and the ogryn was really good with branx to 1 shot purple crushers.

[weary idol]

haven't played staff psyker in so long I forgot that trauma staff kinda fun as a primary weapon

[balmy kestrel]

I cast explosion

[rigid sky]

Tim the Enchanter

Do Scab Ragers count as Carapace body type for the purpose of Voidblast/Inferno/Electrokinetic staves?

[marble crater]

Nope, because Fatshark

[rigid sky]

They're still flak at heart then? So +Carapace is strictly for Crushers?

[minor trout]

Is there a place to see the armor types of each enemy

[balmy kestrel]

Ainz’s zealot guide has one

[weary crane]

Maulers bullwarks reapers

[rigid sky]

Maulers are Flak, Bulwarks and Reapers are Unyielding, as far as things like Inferno are concerned iirc

I'm not talking about enemies that have any amount of Carapace on them, I'm talking about how they behave when targeting most staff attacks

[weary crane]

They are still in that armour category

Meaning the dmg perks affect them

I swear it doesnt matter?

[minor trout]

Oh nice

[minor trout]

Thanks pretty tech priest

[rigid sky]

I don't think that's the case unless it's a recent change

[prime elk]

pretty sure scab ragers are still flak

they get "fake" carapace

DOTs on them are still flak for example, not carapace

[marble crater]

For those weapons at least, and for the charged attacks. If you shoot the scab rager into the chest with lmb it will count as carapace

[weary crane]

Well wouldnt it say "+25% dmg vs carapace armour", instead of "vs carapace enemies"

[rigid sky]

Fatshark's wordings are often atrociously misleading tbf

Deathspitter doesn't mention that it stacks, Thrust is unclear that it considers "up to +20% strength, stacking up to 3 times" to mean giving up to 3 stacks of +20% each

[patent steeple]

btw, should I try Caxe Meleeker as an alternative to Taxe? if so, would Rashad or Antax be better?

[rigid sky]

Rashad and take the melee attack speed boost, but I probably wouldn't bother with it

[verbal thistle]

Rashad

Very fun, try pairing the shredder auto pistol with it

One of my fav combos

[wispy bay]

You can try it with psyker, but it won't feel as good.

[verbal thistle]

Why wouldn't it?

[nocturne dust]

It's still caxe, lol

[verbal thistle]

Psyker can get huge melee damage buffs

Easily reach BM 1 taps

[nocturne dust]

Just taxe fanatics infecting the chat, smh my head

[weary crane]

Is any taxe good for horde clear?

[nocturne dust]

Taxe fanatics swear by its horde clear

I would say it's like... alright. It's not bad, but you're sacrificing a lot for it and it's a lot of clicking.

[strong gulch]

Those enemies have cara, but is dependent on where you hit them. Most of where you hit them is not cara. So while technically true, + cara is basically a waste on maulers, bulwarks, and reapers.

[verbal thistle]

yes

since Bm literally exists

and Taxe likes its PA

[nocturne dust]

BM isn't real, BM can't hurt you

[weary crane]

Attack wise, is there a good sweep one?

[verbal thistle]

which psyker excels at

[verbal thistle]

mk 7

heavy into PA

[weary crane]

So the description "+25% dmg vs carapace enemies" is wrong?

It should be +25% dmg vs carapace armoured bits

Lol

[nocturne dust]

yes, that's how armor works

[verbal thistle]

depending on where you hit enemies you deal different damage

[strong gulch]

It's vs the armor

[weary crane]

Taxe has too many good blessings it makes me annoyed

[verbal thistle]

the % of carapace you have in a mission is probably only around 5%

[verbal thistle]

BM HT

mk 4 is shred HT

[nocturne dust]

but does it have uncanny

[nocturne dust]

Melee Gauntlet: Allow me to introduce myself

I want more stupid modifiers

Give me a poxburster gauntlet

where every enemy is a poxburster

[strong gulch]

Tho this is a bit different for DoTs.

[nocturne dust]

I mean

you can just think of DoTs as targeting an invisible body part

and that body part normally has the armor that is most common on the enemy, so unyielding for bulwarks and flak for maulers

[verbal thistle]

95% of the time its what armor is on their torso

[strong gulch]

ye

[verbal thistle]

like 2 enemies dont follow that rule

scab ragers

and I think 1 of the specialists

[strong gulch]

Scab captain or twins too right? one of them

feck I can't remember

[verbal thistle]

gameslantern has the armor classes

but idc that much

[nocturne dust]

Scab Cap is all flak iirc

[strong gulch]

Anyways, outside of those the vast majority is the same.

I can't string together thoughts or spell. Discord has no idea what I'm trying to say.

is ok

[upper sun]

when scab ragers come at you with that dollar store carapace

[patent steeple]

what's the preferred blessings on the shredder? Pinning + Blaze Away, or Cavalcade + something? (I'd appreciate telling me the shredder dump stat too)

[verbal thistle]

I use pinning and inspiring

mobility dump

[upbeat kestrel]

Really any combination between pinning fire, blaze away, cavalcade and inspiring barrage

[patent steeple]

ok, but what about perks on Shredder? Flakiac, or something else?

[upbeat kestrel]

Yeah flakiac

Or you can drop flak for unyielding

[verbal thistle]

flak maniac

I use maniac speical since thats what I use it for

[patent steeple]

I assume flak + unyielding is not a good combo?

[weary idol]

temu carapace

[upbeat kestrel]

I mean either combo of maniac + one of the above is good

[tired estuary]

as opposed to reject's 10 dollar fake carapace armor

[prime elk]

works well, SAP

is pretty decent against bosses

[upper sun]

i mean we can tank a lot considering

[tired estuary]

we can tank a lot in literal rags

[rigid sky]

Crits are my armour

[weary crane]

But the 10% to elites ect, they dont matter where you hit?

[verbal thistle]

indeed

elite isnt an armor class

its a category

if that makes sense

[weary crane]

I assume explosion dmg works the same as dot in terms of which armor it choses?

[rigid sky]

I think so

Voidblast certainly does at least

[charred gazelle]

Anyone know an easy way to get the cliffhanger penance on psyker?

[weary crane]

Bromentum on havoc?

[tired estuary]

crits help reach bm breakpoints and taxe has good weakspot dmg

[viral raven]

Is a +3 stam legit on a 400 curio?

[strong gulch]

top pin has a cliffhanger section

[strong gulch]

no. 410 or higher for a +3 stam

[viral raven]

thanks!

[marble crater]

by editing your message you now have the power to have everything pinned

[strong gulch]

I certainly can try. Character limitations aside. Just fill the thing with message links.

[warm ledge]

Is Smite with empowered Psionics better or should I get Warp Siphon with Venting Shreik

[marble crater]

And if still hit that limit, you can just link to other messages filled with message links

[strong gulch]

If you are trying to damage with smite, EP is best. If it's just a CC tool, The rest of your kit will deside what you take.

Smite plus a bunch of other talents and EP

[warm ledge]

I plan to use it as a cc if I'm being overrun, And I plan to just staff for dmg

[brazen compass]

Smite locks you into smiting, Shriek is one and done, make of that what you will

[strong gulch]

Then don't take EP since that keystone only buffs your blitz.

[patent steeple]

if you're being overrun, I personally don't think smite will help all that much compared to just using Trauma (old name of Voidblast, as in the big boom staff) and spamming the right click down at your feet...

[strong gulch]

Smite is fine as a single point "Oh shit" stabilizer.

[patent steeple]

smite just stops everything in place, while Shriek or Voidblast can actually make room for you to no longer be surrounded by everything.

[strong gulch]

Not my thing, but smite is silly strong with its scaling.

[rigid sky]

If you release Smite early, it causes everything to fall over in the direction you're facing

so you can use it similarly to Shriek that way

[warm ledge]

Does each EP (say I have 3 stacks) do a simple countdown till it runs out when I'm using Smite or is it one stack per Smite usage (if I stop using smite for example)

[rigid sky]

It keeps using the charge til you let go

one charge per continuous smite

[strong gulch]

Stack per use. If you end smite early you consumed the stack.

[rigid sky]

and you can keep the smite going for longer if you slap venting shriek on midway through it

since shriek doesn't interrupt your channels

[patent steeple]

fair point. I guess I just struggle to spam the early release for maximum effectiveness into hordes...

[warm ledge]

That sounds good ngl

[marble crater]

another smyker is born, I blame all of you guys for this

[rigid sky]

tbh I just don't like Smite much anyway

It feels clunky and shit

so I don't play with it much any more

[strong gulch]

The way smite is misused is annoying af.

[warm ledge]

Smite with wildfire

[strong gulch]

When someone just stands there smiting forever, keeping thing spread out, refuses to dodge, and lets go at the most inopportune time is icky.

[prime elk]

and ends up top fragging

second most annoying build in the game

[strong gulch]

Someone was gonna use it anyways. At least the plan is just CC sometimes.

[marble crater]

Know what also CCs sometimes? Every psyker staff

[warm ledge]

Staff+Smite

Using a gun is stupid

[strong gulch]

It could be so much worse.

[marble crater]

Using smite to CC is the path to using smite for damage to using it all the time

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[prime elk]

https://tenor.com/view/dying-dies-dies-from-cringe-dying-from-cringe-dies-to-cringe-gif-7438506245051526559

[earnest sand]

Probably why smite is so popular also makes people feel like palpatin

[prime elk]

yeah i'll admit i have a palp build too

though mostly using EK

smite's just for shits and giggles

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/end-of-watch-locker-scene-jake-gyllenhaal-gif-8856476536569176567

Gun is also Psykers best boss killer

💀

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-snake-revolver-ocelot-engraving-gif-26456286

[strong gulch]

You mean it's the path for choosing all of the smite upgrades for funny melee.

[marble crater]

[cloud night]

Feel like I came full circle on my psyker
Using one of my first builds of Scriers voidstrike, illisi and assail
Goddamn

Fun as fuck too

[rigid sky]

Also fun with FGS

[rotund dagger]

I think smite is popular because its easy to cover all your bases with your toolkit to the point you don't need any Blitz, so you just take the out of jail free card and move on

Atleast that's why I have smite on my builds

[minor trout]

How can I make a force staff look like another force staff?

Commissary skins?

[wooden sand]

Just buy a staff skin

Any staff skin

Then done, you can put this staff skin at any staff

[minor trout]

Gah, gotta spend gold huh

Meh might have enough by the time I can get the inferno staff

[wooden sand]

Its just like 20000

[minor trout]

Yeah a lot for a chump like me rn

And the cheaper red one is ugly as hell lmao

[wooden sand]

I lied its 20000

[minor trout]

Do staff skins ever show up in shop?

[minor trout]

That's what u said

[wooden sand]

Exactly

You see, I needed to test your mind

To see if you are really smart

[nocturne dust]

which shop?

The skin shop? yes

The docket skin shop? no

[wooden sand]

Obviously he wants to know about homeless people skin shop

Wait he? She?

[minor trout]

That already has staff skins

[minor trout]

Yeah

Are they ocol

Cool

Power swords block SUCKS I can't see shot

Shit

What melee should I use

Disconnected, sick.

I guess I will use a chainsword or smth

Or I suppose combat axe!

Yeah axe would fit a psyker lol

[prime elk]

caxe is pretty good on psyker

ok, well it's good on all classes

[patent steeple]

can confirm. I have had a lot of fun with Caxe and Shredder meleeker.

[verbal thistle]

yup

[prime elk]

caxe was my original bonker build

before psykers collectively realized that they have a melee weapon

when FGS came out

[nocturne dust]

Power sword? Wat's a power sword

[nocturne dust]

One is cool. Most of them are recolors of that one.

[nocturne dust]

Deimos Force Sword, Duelling Sword, Force Greatsword, Obscurus Force Sword if you feel spicy

or knife

Those are the normal meta picks

[narrow herald]

We get power sword?????

[wild slate]

when

[dull scroll]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/104

[analog agate]

I never use that. Useless talent

[wild slate]

yeah when are they fixing it

[verbal thistle]

they fixed it

[wild slate]

oh nvm

[analog agate]

You just don’t notice it

[minor trout]

Fuck space marine 2, man

[minor trout]

Indeed very fun

I kinda wanna just play zealot at this point tho peril sucks

[analog agate]

I’m confused. SM2 has a power sword which is not a force sword. Why are people referring to these as power swords

[verbal thistle]

who knows

[analog agate]

Maybe this is the same guy who was doing it a month ago then. And it is only one person doing it

[nocturne dust]

You know why 😭

Pebkac

[analog agate]

I really don’t. What is that

[nocturne dust]

Problem Exists Between Keyboard and Chair

[analog agate]

Ah

Never heard of that acronym

[nocturne dust]

It's an IT term

[analog agate]

Explains it. I work in medical care

[minor trout]

I played sm2 first and mained power sword

I keep confusing the two cuz they are similar

Power and force are pretty much the same word

[analog agate]

Gotcha

[leaden mulch]

just wondering is there any point of using Assail?
and what it's good for?

• Brain burst
  High damage single target
  Pair with shot range staff
• Smite
  low/Medium damage (various build)
  Pair with single target / pinpoint staff
• Assail
  low damage 2- 5 target comparable to staff
  pair with ???

[verbal thistle]

assail crit

has amazing finesse scaling

can easily clear hordes by itself

[patent jacinth]

Assail is better for sniping than BB

[verbal thistle]

I disagree

[patent jacinth]

It can fire and forget

[patent steeple]

partially because its a more mobile option.

[dull scroll]

assail is to buff melee psykers on lower diff

it's the strongest of the 3 in auric

[patent jacinth]

Most important point about assail, it doesn't make me sad to use it

[dull scroll]

but in H40, good luck relying on that thing to snipe specials 😏

[patent jacinth]

I don't care about h40 when discussing usecase of something

[analog agate]

Assail sticks around when you are doing dmg with your other weapons. And they buff eachother via MM. Unique compared to the other blitzes.

Assail most certainly is not as a good a sniping tool than BB

[patent jacinth]

I find it way more useful to snipe with

Fire and forget vs spend an entire second staring at them

[analog agate]

You don’t fire and forget. You have to hover over them as if you are still shooting them

[patent jacinth]

Rmb shards keep a target

[analog agate]

Those don’t one shot

[leaden mulch]

if assail doesn't have ammo limit, it might be useful for me

[analog agate]

Assail is more fun than BB. Assail is overall better than BB.

[dull scroll]

it's better than scrier smite that's for sure 😂

[static sonnet]

Yeah I dont like asail much either. Like with an ammo limit, I dont like using it, and without an ammo limit you dont need a ranged weapon. I just love bb

[leaden mulch]

I get it if it's for fun, but it doesn't seem to have a place in something like Maelstrom or Havoc 40.

hope they buff it

[dull scroll]

they already gave it a huge buff

but it's not going to be meta in 40 because of other reasons

[analog agate]

Oh. BB and assail both aren’t “good” at H40. Ainz did do an EP assail build for H40. But it isn’t “good”

Assail is very good in a mael

[leaden mulch]

EP would be good on Assail if it last more than 1 shot, may be like 3 secs for free ammo

[dull scroll]

BB especially buffed by KR is actually very good in 40, majority of people just don't have the mechanics to use it to full effect

[analog agate]

I feel Deadvoid disproved that statement

[dull scroll]

he disproved nothing, my recordings proved everything

[sudden gulch]

Ummm.. stupid newbie question...

A few weeks ago my force greatsword had the Momentum blessing (if a strike hits 3 enemies regain x% toughness.) I just checked my sword and saw that it's gone. I checked all my weapons, and none of them have it anymore. That blessing was the principle reason I was using the greatsword until I got better at the game.

Does anyone have any input?

[dull scroll]

but of course, if you are a casual who can only use inferno in a straight line and is blind to specials, KR is a waste of a point, might as well just spec only KF and forget about BB altogether

[marble crater]

Did you delete it?

You can just go to Hadron and put the blessing back on the sword though

[sudden gulch]

Not to my knowledge.

[leaden mulch]

did you re blessing it?

[sudden gulch]

Again. Not intentionally.

[strong gulch]

There was awhile that the inventory order would reset (did the change the weapons themselves); so you might have accidentally done something to it at hadron because you thought it was a different weapon.

[marble crater]

If you have it unlocked just put it back on, easy peasy

Inventory bug claims another victim

I forgot about that nonsense

[sudden gulch]

Thanks anyway. I'll have to entreat the machine spirits then.

[leaden mulch]

there is some bug if you bought multiple weapon at once sometime the last weapon will not add to inventory until you buy another weapon, not sure if that the case

[marble crater]

And then favorite the weapons you want to keep

[leaden mulch]

last question, are you sure it's not in your dream, may be many dream but this one you remember. it' might be Tzeentch's trick

[sudden gulch]

I still go down.. a lot.. but I'm silly and I like the greatsword.

A though I was using mostly for the toughness gen, I liked how it felt. Not sure I know how to build it now though 😉

Thanks again.

[marble crater]

Carapace and Unyielding as perks, momentum as blessing is fine, second blessing I recommend wrath

[leaden mulch]

So, Assail is not viable on HAvoc 40 right?

[jovial juniper]

It doesn't really care about the extra mass but it might lose some breakpoints

[blazing drift]

well, it depends how good your team is

There's a bloke here who posted a "bubble knight" build that uses assail

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGQAIyS4LWc

[marble crater]

It's spreading

[blazing drift]

yes, more shitty psykers coming to a havoc near you

[plucky flax]

Only really pro players can play that build.

Don't try it at home kids.

Too bad pugs were horrible today I lost all bubble knight games

[blazing drift]

ya and if u dont have a vet with survivalist

[jovial juniper]

I'm going to do the Chad move and play bubble knight

Without bubble

[late sapphire]

Man this agentchaos bloke is cooked

[late sphinx]

endless voicelines from his servoskull is so funny

[blissful pulsar]

Whats the proper las pistol build for psyker if running GS/Gaze?

Using the revolver but want to try something different

[cloud night]

Dumdum and infernus?
And flak and crit/maniac/maybe unyielding?

I forget if dumdum is on pistol tho so

[wispy bay]

Ghost and dumdum

But if you already have the crit hit ignore ranged talent from psyker, you can replace ghost with concentrate fire or Infernus.

For boss killing, infernus and raking fire can do some funny damage.

[rich spindle]

I like maniac and unyielding. Every other armor type I use melee on mostly

[wooden sand]

Just found a smyker after years

His tactics were very complex let me explain you:

Start the game by smithing everything

Only use melee when VERY VERY close to a enemy

Starts to spam the primary attack of their staff to kill hordes

Dies

Starts to spam smite again

[blissful pulsar]

What blessings to people like on gaze greatsword? I'm using Riposte and Wrath but curious what others like

[compact coyote]

forgot about this chat. how's my look?

been mastering weapons as my psyker recently. most recent weapon mastered is the heavy sword, and before that i believe it was the heavy las pistol

[vagrant isle]

Is there a really viable assail build? I am low with psyker atm and think its lots of fun but cant imagine it working in high level or auric maelstrom

[verbal thistle]

it is overpowered with a maxed psyker in auric

its amazing

[vagrant isle]

WHAT

[verbal thistle]

can easily solo hordes

[vagrant isle]

How do you build it?

[weary idol]

assail is psykers best blitz

[vagrant isle]

And doesnt he run outta knives fast?

[compact coyote]

try it with telekine shield as well, and a gun

[weary idol]

it's just unpopular because it locks you out of their best talent (Psykinetic's Aura)

[verbal thistle]

@vagrant isle Assail can crit, and has good crit damage and weakspot damage

so if you scale your crit chance and damage it does amazing

[vagrant isle]

OHHHH

TH

[verbal thistle]

something like this is what I use

oops

this

[compact coyote]

also when assailing, never feel fear to just coast around and loose your shards with seconds between clicks.

[verbal thistle]

or this

[vagrant isle]

Another question, is dueling sword still the best thing to use?

[verbal thistle]

yes

its too good rn

[compact coyote]

personally though, brainburst with the flamer staff is also pretty good for dealing with large crowds interwound with elites and specialists.

[verbal thistle]

its only downside is horde clear, but all the staffs and assail can make up fopr that

[compact coyote]

it's like popcorn in the microwave, any random colonel will pop, heating the others in the explosion, causing more to pop so long as the soul blaze continues to stack

pretty good with voidstrike too, just demolishing lines of heretics with the big balls of force.

[vagrant isle]

hahahahaha

Nice explenation thanks

[compact coyote]

void strike also good for knocking enemy ogryns around too.

also best part of the flamer staff is using its basic attack, just pushes all heretics away, even stunlocks them.

i do miss using that staff, shoulda' saved it for later i think.

[compact coyote]

speaking of staves, are psykers ever gonna get more? maybe take a few from vermintide?

[narrow herald]

Pls Fatshark don't buff Psykers again

[compact coyote]

never said anything about buffing, just want more psychokinetic weapons to play with.

[elder glade]

Nah, Scriers Gaze needs another buff, trust

[jovial juniper]

🤷

[compact coyote]

i think scrier's gaze is buffed enough, if anything, it'd be nice if venting shriek wasn't as almost worthless as it is.

[verbal thistle]

what....

[elder glade]

If it helps, I was being sarcastic

[verbal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-wyd-cat-scratching-cat-scratch-cleaning-screen-gif-15994084353171838166

[teal fog]

wiping the screen with a button press is worthless?

https://tenor.com/view/hello-wyd-cat-scratching-cat-scratch-cleaning-screen-gif-15994084353171838166

[abstract arch]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-wyd-cat-scratching-cat-scratch-cleaning-screen-gif-15994084353171838166

[verbal thistle]

I had to pause my solo

[compact coyote]

never seems to do that for me.

[teal fog]

even if you dont take the soulblaze one it still reduces peril generation per enemy hit and staggers enemies

[weary idol]

huh

[verbal thistle]

you can stagger every enemy in the game and if you have creeping flame above 86 peril you 1 shot eveyr horde enemy in the game with infnite cleave

[compact coyote]

just to be clear, i always take the perk that puts soul blaze on all lesser enemies whenever i kill an elite or bigger, venting shriek only ever seems useful when you're using your warp attacks, such as the staves or assail. I like using brainburst most of all cause I like a random chance that the bigger bastards' heads will explode. venting shriek does more damage and soul blaze to my understanding based on perils, and i can't exactly amass perils when using a gun unless i'm bringing assail, and i've been giving staves a break to master the guns.

[weary crane]

Just had a look at the crit values for ds

Holy fuck?

[jovial juniper]

Yeah

[teal fog]

why are you using shriek with gun psyker

[compact coyote]

not really using it with gun psyker at all, actually

[weary crane]

Flak normal - 28
Flak crit - 188

The knife and laspistol are the 3x
This is near 7x more dmg

[compact coyote]

just there's only 4 staves and plenty of guns that the psyker can use.

and i'm currently trying to level all my guns to 20 for the skin and so i can have full customization for them all.

[fathom adder]

Voidbeam staff in just 2 more patches. Trust

[compact coyote]

it'll be something at least

oh what about 1 like that 1 staff the fire witch gets with the projectiles that move pretty much as fast as a bullet?

shoots like flaming arrow heads or something.

[jovial juniper]

Uh

Bolt staff?

[compact coyote]

suppose so?

[jovial juniper]

Yeah bolt staff

[compact coyote]

looks about right

[crude cape]

Havoc 40 flame staff build
Do you guys run penetrating flame or no? Is it worth dropping warp nexus or blaze away for?

[compact coyote]

isn't there also 1 that lobs fire balls?

[verbal thistle]

was doing a psyker solo, and got this to show assail

[fathom adder]

Too similar to Voidstrike, unless alternate LMB attacks are introduced as different staff Marks ||never gonna happen||

[jovial juniper]

You'll never guess the name of this one

[fathom adder]

Firelob

[compact coyote]

i mean as the primary attack, not the secondary charge attack.

[jovial juniper]

Fireball staff

💀

[fathom adder]

IIRC that was the Bolt Staff with the high speed LMBs

[wispy bay]

Or someone put blazing spirit on a LMB spam...

[compact coyote]

you ever question by the way how come there arn't heretical psykers among the ranks of the scabs and dregs by the way?

[jovial juniper]

Yeah
FS did design them yet

[fathom adder]

Fatshark ran out of time and money before release, and left a skeleton crew to maintain the game afterwards

And/or GW said no, for reasons that make sense only to them

Either is plausible given pattern of behavior

[buoyant maple]

looks similar enough

[jovial juniper]

Because psykers are often used on the Astra Militarum and the Moebian 6th is like THE Militarum on the moebian system

It does make sense that they should have psykers among their ranks

[buoyant maple]

there are
the dreg ritualists are chaos (specifically, nurgle) aligned psykers

[compact coyote]

feel it could be interesting to see, if also possibly very annoying if they share any similar abilities to player psykers. that or they could also add a bit of random chance where 1 could accidentally overload and spawn a demon on its death sight.

[wispy bay]

They are the same thing using different source of power.

It is like gasoline engine and diesel engine. Doing same stuff, different designs.

[blissful solar]

the ritualists are a new (loosely applied) thing but yeah they exist now

[wispy bay]

Deamonhost are usually corrupted psykers.

[compact coyote]

figured they'd use psykers for daemonhosts.

[vagrant isle]

I have many questions.

1. Are you suffering from major carpal tunnel syndrome? I could NEVER make so many inputs and I thought I am fast, damn
2. how did you manage to get a horde of only trashmobs
3. why do you not explode at 100% Peril?
4. Why do you hit and switch and switch and hit etc.?

[verbal thistle]

1: no, I do play like this often

when I dont want to spam inputs

I play ogryn

or dont play

[vagrant isle]

Hahaha, fair

[teal fog]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ogryn-bernie-gif-27192884

[verbal thistle]

2: this is the mid event of this map

it spawns infinite horde

I just grouped them up while doing the obj

[vagrant isle]

I thought zealot looks hectic but man you are really juggling it there

[verbal thistle]

3: scriers gaze has a sub node that makes you immune to the explode for 10sec

[vagrant isle]

AHHH ok th

[compact coyote]

doesn't seem all that fast to me. just seems like how i play, aside from any of the blocking.

[blissful solar]

that's just normal gameplay for like any class except ogryn i guess cuz it can just spam melee due to toughness regen

[verbal thistle]

4: I am keeping up my melee blessing "Uncanny strikes"

which increases all my sources of damage

[blissful solar]

but ainz is better than most so his way of moving and such will be more refined than most

[wispy bay]

Mostly melee maeltrom, anyone smash?

[verbal thistle]

dont look at me and assume thats what the average player is

I have 3k hours and do solos

or havoc 40s

[vagrant isle]

What impresses me isnt the fast inputs but the switches and such. I am pretty good with my relic blade too and can solo bosses and such but this looks much more complicated than just mechanically good weapon use :D

[blissful solar]

for the most part darktide is all about juggling your melee, ranged, blitz, and your ult thing

finding the optimal combo between them all and for each individual part

[wispy bay]

Darktide is actually tame compare to some other games.

[compact coyote]

i swear sometimes playing this game, it's like a random scab'll spawn outta' nowhere to knock me to the ground. other times, it's twitch reactions to demolish snipers, bombers, and trappers as immediately as possible.

[vagrant isle]

3 k is crazy, whats your fav class?

[verbal thistle]

psyker, but I play them all

level 1600 psyker 1400 zealot, 1000 vet 600 ogryn

[compact coyote]

other other times, i just like to run into crowds with a sword in hand, hacking away at everything in my way til' there's nothing more to hack away.

[jovial juniper]

Rookie Oggy numbers

[mental grail]

What other games?

[buoyant maple]

psyker force sword forces u to remember that pushing without chaining into push atk is a thing

much like vet's power sword

[vagrant isle]

Just saw your profile, would you be up to help me with harcore twins? tried a fev times but its pretty hard with randoms XD

[compact coyote]

my favorites personally are psyker and ogryn. love popping heads as a psyker; love sniping snipers, among other things with me big friendly rock.

[mental grail]

I was playing legendary firefight with skulls on in Halo the other day, and it was like playing in slow motion.

[verbal thistle]

yes, anytime

[mental grail]

Darktide is like the hyperbolic time chamber

[vagrant isle]

Would love to play eviscerator more but I dont think its that viable

[mental grail]

Powerleveling states of rage and anguish only briefly experienced in other settings

[buoyant maple]

it's viable most of the time

[compact coyote]

pretty sure eviscerator's viable, most i do as zealout is run right into the enemy, same as ogryn cause i honestly can't see my self usin' any other ability as ogryn than the 1 that lets me trample a large crowd of enemies.

[buoyant maple]

it has a lot of room for improvement tho

[jovial juniper]

Evis 3 bad

Evis15 goated

[teal fog]

other way around

[mental grail]

Evis? In psyker chat?

I'm calling the police

[jovial juniper]

Laugh at this user

[fathom adder]

Force Eviscerator when?

[jovial juniper]

[teal fog]

evis 15 has no moveset

braindead baby weapon

[compact coyote]

force knife when?

force axe too.

and force chair

[jovial juniper]

Evis3 has moveset and underperforms everything

[fathom adder]

Force Fist

[jovial juniper]

The chainsword Xiiig is better than Evis3

[teal fog]

dont care

boring weapon

[jovial juniper]

Well then you're just wrong about your earlier statement

[compact coyote]

will say, would be nice if the eviscerator was more on model if anything

[jovial juniper]

Glad we got to this

[blissful solar]

why do so many use the word zealout

[verbal thistle]

zealout

[compact coyote]

literally what the class is called?

[jovial juniper]

More like

[blissful solar]

erm...

[verbal thistle]

zealot

[jovial juniper]

Sellout

Hah

Got em

[blissful solar]

oh lol i was like "hmm, there are 1300 mentions of zealout, that cant be a coincidence" but froglodyte is 1069 of them

[fathom adder]

zeal out before you crash out

[compact coyote]

also the zealouts are the ones most in with the local religion they go practically mad for it, and are so undyingly loyal to the emperor they'd absolutely love to be chucked from a catapult into the enemy wielding the sharpest of chainsaw.

[blissful solar]

it's spelled zealot!!!

https://tenor.com/view/threat-bird-bird-big-feet-pukeko-heart-locket-gif-2821869059124172554

[compact coyote]

but it feels so much better with a u in there

like "zealout"

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-zealot-darktide-poxburster-poxburster-darktide-warhammer-40k-warhammer-40k-gif-1457942306303392482

[blissful solar]

zelet

[fathom adder]

Not even gonna touch that one

[fathom adder]

zelet this

[blissful solar]

ζηλωτής

[wispy bay]

warframe

for example

[fathom adder]

Lock In, Zeal Out

[compact coyote]

plus, can you really blame me? english is the only language i speak and it's so much a frankenstein language that it's hard to tell if something has a "u" in it at all so you might as well add one anyways, why the hell not?

[blissful solar]

if it's the only language you know i regret to say that i can blame you only more for that

[mental grail]

wouldn't know, I'm a destiny player (derogative)

[fathom adder]

can you really blame me
english is the only language I speak
In that case? Yes

[wispy bay]

Some old moba with stack keeping heroes

Starcraft is infamous

[compact coyote]

oh come on now, you don't make ANY common mistakes in english?

[mental grail]

Advanced, contagious mental stupification

[blissful solar]

of course we do, it isnt a big deal

[mental grail]

yes it is

[blissful solar]

but usually i at least know that i dont know

[mental grail]

fuck you

[blissful solar]

and look it up

woah...

[mental grail]

I apologize

I'm off my medication

[blissful solar]

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-angry-gif-23442156

[wispy bay]

I don't even speak english...

[blissful solar]

could be true

[wispy bay]

It is factual.

[compact coyote]

anyways though, so what other psyker weapons could come to darktide anyways?

[mental grail]

I headcanon you as French Canadian

[wispy bay]

At least you know your place.

[buoyant maple]

several they can pretty much copy from rogue trader

divination
telepathy

beam staff

etc

more force melee weapons

[mental grail]

Divination is in the game.

So is telepathy

Scrier's Gaze is a divination technique

[buoyant maple]

yea not the rest of the kit tho

[mental grail]

Telekine Shield is, well...

[wispy bay]

Close, but not that close.

[buoyant maple]

like a specific diviner's staff I mean

[compact coyote]

scrier's gaze is divination? just always seemed like a psyker rage if you asked me

[compact coyote]

portuguese?

[wispy bay]

That's far.

[mental grail]

Scrier's Gaze is your psyker looking into the future to know exactly where to place your strikes for maximum total effect.

[compact coyote]

still worth a guess.

[mental grail]

Regular Canadian?

[compact coyote]

ah, well in game it just looks like a rage.

[mental grail]

Future sight is distinctly unpleasant for Psykers at best.

[wispy bay]

Having gaze and EE = killing enemy in melee while dodging ranged attacks.

[mental grail]

Literally my main build for 6 months

[compact coyote]

i imagine scrier's gaze isn't pleasant to use. look of it, it's like my psyker's workin' up the headache to then pound into the enemy's face.

[wispy bay]

That's why your peril piles up.

[jovial juniper]

Santic (support)

[wispy bay]

The peril quelling thing is only a thing because of gameplay.

[jovial juniper]

[compact coyote]

will say, great for regaining toughness in a pinch, least if you have a psyker weapon equipped, which many there arn't.

[jovial juniper]

But fr gimme a force rod

Bonk with Warp energy

[wispy bay]

Came from outside of Canada, now living in Quebec.

[compact coyote]

force quarter staff?

why not just hand psyker a glowing rock to bash the enemy over the head with?

[jovial juniper]

Basically yeah

[compact coyote]

wouldn't mind if psyker did get something to just beat heretics over the head with than just the staves he has

i mean why not a melee staff after all? or a force polearm of some type.

[weary idol]

the humble shock maul

[compact coyote]

not a force weapon though

come back when it uses warp powers instead of electricity

[weary idol]

smite

who's to say it isn't warp electricity

[mental grail]

Makes sense, you give off the odor of a French.

[compact coyote]

the shock parta' shock maul and the fact that vet and zealot both share access too it.

[wispy bay]

Oh fuck you, don't group me with them.

[blissful pulsar]

When folks use Assail, do they grab the 'extra penetration' level up thingy? I'm unsure how effective it actually is in a gaze build.

[jovial juniper]

Do you have Warp Splitting? Yes? Don't get Ethereal Shards

[blissful pulsar]

Ahhh, I'm trying to change it up and don't have it now but might go back for it. I'm going to give soulblaze on crit from greatsword a try, although worried it wont trigger souldrinker if crit itself kills making it less useful.

[nocturne dust]

souldrinker sucks

so don't take it

unironically, soulstealer is just an upgrade

[blissful pulsar]

I see, I figured as such so will drop it. I was going to give the 'blaze on critical hit' from greatsword a try but if its not all that good to combo with souldrinker will move back to what I was using.

[nocturne dust]

Blazing Spirit is terribly awful on every weapon except Voidblast

because on every weapon except Voidblast, the crit kills most things it hits, and the stacks of soulblaze won't do enough damage before the second attack

[blissful pulsar]

Thats what I thought, although also good on recon lasgun no? Stacks up super fast and then you venting shriek it up to 18 stacks for melting damage

[nocturne dust]

Well, Infernus is not Blazing Spirit

[blissful pulsar]

That is true, I forgot different name

[nocturne dust]

also different DoT

[blissful pulsar]

I wanted to try las pistol, just got it to max mastery, and thought it'd combo with infernus too. Which mark is better?

[nocturne dust]

is burn, not soulblaze

[nocturne dust]

the faster one

[blissful pulsar]

mkII then, one I was using

[nocturne dust]

it does do Infernus as well

[weary idol]

y'know the more I use bubble

I am developing even more of a loathing for the ability than I already had

[nocturne dust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1313803542196391936/elmopsyker.gif

Can't hear you

I'm in my bubble

[blissful pulsar]

You have preferred blessings on greatsword? My usual is Wrath + Riposte

[nocturne dust]

I use wrath and riposte/shred/unstable power/deflector depending on how I'm feeling

[blissful pulsar]

MK VI cause my brain is to smol for the other variant

[nocturne dust]

mk8 is simpler than mk6

mk8 is just 'spam lights' for horde and spam push atks -> heavy for elites

[blissful pulsar]

Odd, I do that fine for MK6 and the stab is so good at killing mutants/heavies/ragers

[nocturne dust]

I mean, you can definitely be simple with mk6

[blissful pulsar]

well, swing swing push for hordes

[nocturne dust]

and I do that

buuuuut optimal combo is...

using heavy 3

and push -> light

[weary idol]

https://imgur.com/a/6CvTxPn or be super optimal by giving yourself arthritis

[nocturne dust]

This assumes assail

Imagine using assail

[weary idol]

works without assail too

[nocturne dust]

Well yes, but that's just swap cancelling

which is evil

[weary idol]

because it's faster horde clear even with no assail just by swapping every 2 lights

[weary idol]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-frogs-frog-kiss-gif-8479381718670557517

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-jumpscare-jump-jumpscare-frog-toad-jumpscare-gif-17126897754304945804

[strong gulch]

Mr. Frog

[nocturne dust]

oh, that's jittier than it looks in the preview

https://tenor.com/view/frog-frogs-attack-frog-fight-fight-gif-12598634918728865416

[weary idol]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1022320056195100762/1062539360697852025/ezgif-3-f909b13c85.gif

[blissful pulsar]

Hrm, my issue with MK8 is the heavies seem to hit for way less? or am I crazy

[nocturne dust]

you are crazy

well, the first 'heavy'

[weary idol]

they do the same damage as the overheads from mk6

[nocturne dust]

is not a heavy

[weary idol]

Mk6 just gets the stab attack as its heavy 2

[nocturne dust]

but then the overheads on it are the same and faster

[blissful pulsar]

Yea the stab

[weary idol]

for Mk8 you have to do push attack to get it

[nocturne dust]

but mk6 gets the more dmging stab

than overheads

but mk8 gets a bigger stab

that does more damage than the mk6 stab

but is slower

[blissful pulsar]

I use the stab to one hit mutants and ragers D:

[nocturne dust]

mk6 has better single target dps by a lil, and mk8 has better horde clear by a lil

so it's mostly about which moveset you prefer

[blissful pulsar]

Stab push attack is nice, I think this is worth giving a try

[nocturne dust]

mk6 gets the push attack after its special

[blissful pulsar]

Time to take it blindly into histig auric damnation for testing

[nocturne dust]

which is nicer

since the special's ranged portion staggers most things (not ogryns or ragers mid-attack)

[blissful pulsar]

lol I have to reset the meat grinder

[nocturne dust]

the melee portion can stagger crushers

why force push a crusher when you can bonk it on the head and have it shake like a can

[tacit minnow]

did they ever say why they didn't add an equivalent to sienna's fireball staff

[nocturne dust]

They would not for somewhat obvious reasons

[blissful pulsar]

Have they ever added a force staff

[nocturne dust]

but like

just play voidstrike

[weary idol]

is this not voidstrike

[tacit minnow]

no

[nocturne dust]

(yes)

[weary idol]

i'm pretty sure this is voidstrike

[nocturne dust]

It's voidstrike

[blissful pulsar]

Also I'd rather have lightning bolt or beam staff

[nocturne dust]

[blissful pulsar]

Lightning bolt staff that one shots crushers on headshot

[tacit minnow]

voidstrike is a single target weapon, fireball staff has real aoe

[nocturne dust]

Well, you're wrong

[blissful pulsar]

Voidstrike is infinite pierce it is not single target lol

[nocturne dust]

Voidstrike is good at horde clear

[weary idol]

no it doesn't

[nocturne dust]

It is not infinite pierce

[blissful pulsar]

Nothing like hearing 20 headpops in a row

[weary idol]

also voidstrike is a piercing projectile just like fireball

[blissful pulsar]

Ok it feels like infinite pierce on surge

[weary idol]

which is how both of them hordeclear

[nocturne dust]

Voidstrike is literally the only staff that needs warp splitting

lol

[blissful pulsar]

It takes to long to charge though so I don't ever use it anymore. Inferno, electric, and guns are only ones I like =/

[tacit minnow]

sure but fireball staff you pierce thru horde at the floor to dmg and ignite the whole crowd

[blissful pulsar]

the blast whatever staff with circle on the ground is strong as hell but feels awful to use

[weary idol]

I love it

only consistently fun staff in the game baby

[blissful pulsar]

I hate staring at the ground spamming it

[nocturne dust]

it's just throwing an invisible grenade

[nocturne dust]

swish and flick

https://tenor.com/view/hermione-granger-wand-harry-potter-sassy-eye-roll-gif-9662115

[tacit minnow]

voidstrike's aoe is worse than grenadier gauntlet aoe

[nocturne dust]

It's not

The circle is the epicenter

Big boom

[blissful pulsar]

If I'm in melee I want to hit them with my sword dangit

[nocturne dust]

This is why Blazing Spirit works with Voidblast

because the explosion radius is huge

[tacit minnow]

are we talking abt dif staves

[weary idol]

even uncharged the radius is goddamn enormous on voidblast

[nocturne dust]

no, you just don't know what you're talking about

[blissful pulsar]

voidblast is circle on ground

[weary idol]

you are talking about different staves

[blissful pulsar]

voidstrike is ball

[nocturne dust]

[weary idol]

Diseenith is speaking about Voidblast (Trauma) and Awuga is talking about Voidstrike (Voidstrike)

[nocturne dust]

Crossing the beams 😭

[blissful pulsar]

I still want to call voidblast conflag staff

[nocturne dust]

Nobody ever talks about Voidstrike's explosion radius

[weary idol]

why Trauma staff was renamed to be nearly identical to Voidstrike the world may never know

[nocturne dust]

and with good reason

[tacit minnow]

voidstrike doesn't even do aoe unless it hits the floor doesn't it

[nocturne dust]

it literally could not be a thing and nobody would notice

[tacit minnow]

and it does 12 dmg

[blissful pulsar]

Also they should give us the fire tornado staff. They wont cause its OP as hell and they'll never bring that here

[nocturne dust]

oh yeah, cuz this game is balanced

[weary idol]

I think it actually does it every time it hits an enemy?

[tacit minnow]

then yeah it's so it's lacking one of fireball staff's best thing

real aoe dmg and dot spread