psyker-class

[amber vault]

im new btw hahaha

[nocturne dust]

you need another source of soulblaze, like Inferno, or Blazing Spirit on voidblast, or creeping flames venting shriek

[amber vault]

i didnt know i would need more humph you know? haha

[nocturne dust]

also, here's my copypasta explanation from my Inferno guide:

Some people dislike Wildfire, but it is good and is a damage increase. Wildfire works by spreading up to 4 stacks of soulblaze on a target that dies, with each stack being distributed evenly (so a dying target with 3 stacks spreads 3 stacks, 1 stack to each nearby enemy if there are 3 of them with 0 stacks, but will spread 4 stacks if the dying target has 4 stacks, 2 to one of the 3 nearby enemies). Wildfire will spread stacks to a target as long as the target has less than 4 stacks. Wildfire is incredibly useful because it can spread beyond your Inferno staff's range, meaning when an enemy enters Inferno's range you already have 4 stacks applied to them when in tense, Auric Damnation/Havoc 25+ situations due to enemy density being stupidly high. That is 1/4th of Inferno's max stacks, which is significant and really helps Inferno stack all that quicker and kill quicker, helping Wildfire spread more. On top of that, Wildfire helps eliminate chaff (4 stacks doesn't kill alone but can kill with Blaze Away and other buffs) and manage your sides/back without you doing anything. You won't be killing hordes with Wildfire, but when you turn around to face a threat you'll find enemies nice and pre-toasted. It also helps you gain more Warp Siphon stacks through In Fire Reborn, and get the first stack of Soulblaze so that your Blaze Away blessing always applies even if other Soulblaze Psykers are around. I wholeheartedly support Wildfire on an Inferno build in the game's current state (and it's still very good on a lot of other staff builds with Creeping Flames too).

Wildfire is a 'burn more' node. The more soulblaze you have, the more it does.

which is pretty appropriate for a node named 'wildfire'

[amber vault]

is PC good then? can i take out a point from there, or should i keep PC and add other soulblaze stuff on top of it too to max wildfire?

[nocturne dust]

PC is one of the strongest nodes in the tree, but only shows its power at very high difficulties

[broken carbon]

perilous combustion is busted

[nocturne dust]

You can check the pins for staff builds. Every staff has a soulblaze build (which is the meta way to use that staff below Havoc).

[broken carbon]

throw it on any build for free damage

[nocturne dust]

It's not that busted that it works on any build

[broken carbon]

no it does

[nocturne dust]

It is very busted tho

[broken carbon]

the only exception is like

smite psyker

[amber vault]

ohh okayy

[nocturne dust]

no, smiteker wants PC, wdym

[broken carbon]

ur killing everything at the same pace

so majority of the time, any PC procs dont get that much value

[nocturne dust]

sure, except some things are chonkier than others

[broken carbon]

but still, PC is still useful for when you're melee or ranged

even on a smite build

[nocturne dust]

Yes, but not always more useful than other options

[broken carbon]

i shouldve said its less effective, but still super strong

[nocturne dust]

There's a reason I always drop it on gunker

[broken carbon]

PC on gunker is absolutely stupidly broken

gunker's raw damage output, especially with guns like vraks

allows you to kill entire elite packs in seconds

[nocturne dust]

Yes

You do that without PC

FGS slice

[broken carbon]

PC does it better

[broken carbon]

FGS is broken too

[nocturne dust]

PC is not instant

[nocturne dust]

Literally everything but dclaw is broken to you

[broken carbon]

uhh

basically yes

powercreep !

FGS is absolutely broken and if you cannot see how then i dont know what to tell you

[nocturne dust]

And when everything is broken
evil laugh
nothing will be

[buoyant maple]

FGS is painfully mid outside of warp slash

[broken carbon]

disagree

its got amazing single target

[buoyant maple]

it just is

[broken carbon]

and the horde clear is plenty fine

[buoyant maple]

warp slash is overpowered

[broken carbon]

it "suffers" with mediocre mobility

but thats really it

[buoyant maple]

nah it's not mediocre mobility

it's the worst dodge distance in the entire game

[nocturne dust]

It's not mediocre mobility, it's trash mobility

[nocturne dust]

Staves glaring at you rn

[broken carbon]

yeah thats how we get even more unfun difficulties

[buoyant maple]

for melee weapons

[broken carbon]

what is it?

-14%?

[buoyant maple]

-7%

[broken carbon]

thats

[buoyant maple]

but because it is only on psyker

[broken carbon]

not the worst

at all

evis is -14%

[buoyant maple]

You’re not getting it

[nocturne dust]

Zealot has bigger dodges, no?

[buoyant maple]

Psyker has worse base dodge distance than other classes

2m dodge

[broken carbon]

ohhg that

i forgor about that

[buoyant maple]

Zealot has 2.5m

which is the worst

So FGS is 1.86m dodge

[broken carbon]

i forgot there was a base difference

[buoyant maple]

By far the worst in the game

[broken carbon]

then whats evis/relic blade distance

[buoyant maple]

Relic blade -14% is 2.15m

Whopping 0.29m better than FGS

[nocturne dust]

just make the enemies broken, cycle repeats

[prime elk]

oof honestly it didn't feel that bad

[broken carbon]

then we get people complaining about shooters being broken

[buoyant maple]

Power sword -12% is 2.2m

[nocturne dust]

It doesn't to you?

[buoyant maple]

And people think it’s abysmal dogshit in dodges

[prime elk]

wow

[prime elk]

it really doesn't

[broken carbon]

powercreep is not healthy for this game

the idea of "everything is OP, so nothing is" just doesnt work the way people think it does

[nocturne dust]

then they buff toughness, then they buff weapons, then they buff enemies, then they buff toughness...

[prime elk]

to the contrary, i think powercreep is good at shaking up the meta and making things interesting

[broken carbon]

?????

[prime elk]

but the way fatshart is handling is wrong

[buoyant maple]

We should buff most weapons and nerf the existing strong options

Like unironically most weapons need buffs

[prime elk]

there's a genuine argument for it in general game design

but it has to be done right

which is not the case here

[nocturne dust]

Power creep is like inflation

you want a smidge

[prime elk]

exactly

[broken carbon]

what would doing powercreep right be?

powercreep, by nature, makes old content, such as weapons, weaker or less relevant

[prime elk]

that's the point

[broken carbon]

if you want variety in a game, you want everything to be relevant

[buoyant maple]

Buff old weapons to match new gear

[prime elk]

it shakes things up, keeps things fresh

[nocturne dust]

well yes, but having everything be equally relevant has its own problems

as Helldivers can attest

[broken carbon]

helldivers is also powercrept

[prime elk]

but there's such a thing has going too far, and it's not an easy balance

[nocturne dust]

now, sure

[broken carbon]

but thats more of a macro powercreep thats less definable

and has to do with their inability to balance healthily

[prime elk]

now that i think about it

i can't find a single example of an online game where i'm like "wow! this game is actually really well balanced"

[broken carbon]

rainbow 6 siege

!

for honor !

[prime elk]

there's always some pretty material issues somewhere

[prime elk]

sorry, i don't play ubishit slop

[blissful solar]

dead by dayli- dies

[broken carbon]

ubisoft is amazing at balance,,,,

totally,,,

[buoyant maple]

Out of all the answers u could have picked

[prime elk]

i guess he was joking

[buoyant maple]

U picked the one game where they nerfed an operator 8 times for having 1 useful gadget

[prime elk]

but i totally missed it because i haven't touched RS in 10 years prob

[nocturne dust]

I don't play For Honor and I know that's a lie

people complain enough about its balance to me

[broken carbon]

i think the way relic blade and FGS feel, with unique sprint attacks, combo chains, draw attacks, etc, is really well done, and i wish that all weapons could live up to that standard of unique feel

however the powerlevel they have is too much, and should be toned down, alongside buffs to weapons that have shown their weaknesses in comparison to these weapons, such as evis, which is entirely overshadowed by relic blade in every form

[broken carbon]

yeah it sucks

abysmal dogshit

[broken carbon]

i was joking

[broken carbon]

she was

[prime elk]

sorry, i just assume everyone's a guy

[broken carbon]

lmfao

yeah

valid

[buoyant maple]

I think what you’re struggling with is finding a defined line between old weapons and new weapons that no current weapon occupies where it’s just balanced and good enough but not obnoxiously strong in general application

[nocturne dust]

they would not be nearly as popular or have the same feel if they weren't as strong as they were

[broken carbon]

theyre popular because they feel good, AND because theyre extremely strong

[buoyant maple]

I’m honestly somewhat ok with relic blade’s current status, it’s good enough and makes u feel powerful

[broken carbon]

they can be toned down without ruining them

[nocturne dust]

I disagree. Evis 'feels good'.

[broken carbon]

relic blade really just needs some nerfs to single target imo

[broken carbon]

evis feels great to use

but

its dogshit

its a terrible weapon

which is proof that a weapon's feel does not rely on its power

[buoyant maple]

I think it’s actually somewhat ok

Maybe reduce power on duration by a few seconds

But I wouldn’t change much else

[broken carbon]

the only reason evis sucks to use is seeing how quickly literally any other weapon kills enemies

compared to you

seeing a knife user one tap a reaper that you just started sawing

[nocturne dust]

no, but it is modified by it

[buoyant maple]

I don’t think relic blade is even as good as power sword

[broken carbon]

or an hsword clearing a horde in half the time it takes you

[fathom adder]

Relic Blade actually feels strong enough to justify the lack of mobility as a two-hander

[nocturne dust]

like, if evis couldn't chew through enemies when you specialed, it would be crap and ruin the feel

even if it is only 1 at a time

[broken carbon]

huh

[buoyant maple]

Also I might add zealot and psyker melee weapons to vet guide

[broken carbon]

taxe, crusher, thunder hammer, heavy sword (kind of)

[buoyant maple]

All of these need buffs

[broken carbon]

???

taxe???

taxe does NOT need any buffs

[buoyant maple]

Yea

[nocturne dust]

[buoyant maple]

Carapace and unyielding dps
Basic breakpoints for BM

[broken carbon]

taxe maybe could use some reworking to make it less reliant on crits but it doesnt need an increase in powerlevel

[jovial juniper]

Taxe bad

[prime elk]

buff mk4 i beg 😭

[nocturne dust]

thammer I would like to see have more reach or something

[buoyant maple]

Thunder hammer can use at least 5 buffs lol

Tac axe at least 3

[broken carbon]

thammer needs a little tuning, but really its just been power crept so hard that it feels bad to use

mainly DS is the culprit

[buoyant maple]

Nah not just that

[nocturne dust]

something to fix the "I've prepared this hit and the enemy has walked away while I did it" aside from one specific ability Zealot has

[fathom adder]

Crusher has the stagger and at least decent damage, Thammer goes all-in on single target damage (which stops being overkill in Havoc and ends up nicely in sufficientkill), Relic Blade is strong all round, albeit with the charge and overheat. Evis feels like it sacrificed attack speed and mobility (as a two hander) and general usability (as a chain weapon) and got nothing to show for it

[buoyant maple]

Thunder hammer can’t stagger rager without speccing impact
And has completely borked breakpoints for havoc

It also has x140% block cost from front for some reason

[nocturne dust]

we should never balance around Havoc

[buoyant maple]

I’m not quite sure why they did it

[broken carbon]

yeah i dont get that part

[nocturne dust]

Havoc is inherently unbalanced in its changes

[broken carbon]

especially compared to how relic blade is amazing at blocking

[buoyant maple]

Like I said, at least 5 buffs for TH

[broken carbon]

power creep !

[buoyant maple]

See you’re now agreeing with me

Things need to be buffed

Not massively

[broken carbon]

yes but i was listing options that are in pretty good places right now

[buoyant maple]

Just enough to make them not suck abysmally in specific areas that they should not suck at

[broken carbon]

they can use tuning

but if it werent for powercreep, theyd feel good to use

if we had current thunder hammer back when dt was first starting out

people would love it

[nocturne dust]

sure, but if it weren't for powercreep, this wouldn't be a horde game

[broken carbon]

that doesnt even make sense

[nocturne dust]

oldtide, where you run at single enemies and chew through one baby at a time

[broken carbon]

if you played malice

sure

old hishock had really good spawns though

[nocturne dust]

they have literally continually buffed enemy counts for ages

[broken carbon]

no

no they havent

[nocturne dust]

yeh

yeh they have

[broken carbon]

they decreased enemy counts in aurics ages ago due to console releases

[buoyant maple]

I rly want them to add some havoc spawn mechanics and havoc's red mutator as base game mechanic that applies to all modes

[broken carbon]

so that consoles could run the game

[broken carbon]

which ones

[nocturne dust]

yes

[broken carbon]

initially everyone thought it was a bug but

[nocturne dust]

and now they've introduced Havoc

[broken carbon]

they never fixed it

[buoyant maple]

rush prevention
sandwich
final toll

[broken carbon]

auric shouldve maintained its old spawn rates

i dont want to play havocs just to fight an enjoyable amount of enemies

i dont enjoy havoc that much

[nocturne dust]

I don't enjoy Havoc either

[buoyant maple]

I don't like how the actual best way to play outside of havoc is to run forward and farm dps ahead

[nocturne dust]

Havoc was a mistake

[tired estuary]

I like havoc rn but I also want to qp into difficulties that aren't a fucking joke without running trash builds for shitty babies

[broken carbon]

final toll is the CC immunity at low health right

[buoyant maple]

yea
can lower it to work at 30% health instead of 50%

[broken carbon]

rush prevention and sandwich i agree with

[buoyant maple]

I think that'd be fair

50% is not beginner friendly

[broken carbon]

but idk about this as itd just be an indirect nerf to chain weapons lol

[nocturne dust]

I wonder if they balance around malice or something

[buoyant maple]

nah because they don't instant recover from stagger by turning red

[broken carbon]

i know

[buoyant maple]

and chain weapons in general need buff to stagger

[broken carbon]

maybe as a modifier but i dont think it should be base

[buoyant maple]

chainsword with the glorious 0 melee elite stagger breakpoint outside of saw-rip

peak

[broken carbon]

mk15 needing greivous wounds to stagger a crusher

is stupid

[tired estuary]

I want multiple boss spawns for at least mael

[broken carbon]

same

[tired estuary]

and with enough health that they don't just get instagibbed by the bolter mashers

[broken carbon]

i wish aurics had better spawn rates

[dull scroll]

this game a drug, auric now a snooze fest compared to havoc 😒

[broken carbon]

thats one of my main complaints with the games rn

[nocturne dust]

complete immunity to a feature of the combat is such a bad way to increase difficulty

[broken carbon]

burgled trappers and dogs

awful,,,

[buoyant maple]

complete immunity at such a low health they die in 1 hit to almost every melee weapon

remember that red is elite and captain only

doesn't apply to specialists

[broken carbon]

i know

im just giving it as an example

i dont think final toll should be base

i think aurics need better spawn rates

and more unique spawn mechanics

hi ainz

[nocturne dust]

"Oh hey, the boss' healthbar is going back up. Oh, look, pink enemies."

[buoyant maple]

I did not say to add purple to base game

just red

[tired estuary]

add wargors and purple to base game

[nocturne dust]

I don't think red should be base either

[tired estuary]

so they can heal while they heal

and this time wargor banner explosion knockback is barrel level

[nocturne dust]

Heck, nerf nurgle blessed to be less stagger resistance (and maybe more common in exchange)

[buoyant maple]

nurgle bless is dogshit yes

red is basically nurgle bless done right

[broken carbon]

nurgle bless just make it not apply to specials

and itd be a looot better

i still wouldnt like it

but i wouldnt wanna explode at least

[nocturne dust]

I disagree

[buoyant maple]

why

[nocturne dust]

Complete immunity to a core combat mechanic is just bad, no matter how it's framed

It's why dodges are king

Because dodges work on everything, always

[blissful solar]

that's basically the point of the modifiers though

[buoyant maple]

complete immunity to a core combat mechanic that activates based on the player's control

you have control over when to activate red

unlike nurgle bless

I don't see why that's so wrong

[nocturne dust]

You theoretically have control, practically soulblaze can and will ruin it, or you'll use a grenade, or you'll cleave too much, etc. etc..

[buoyant maple]

yea, don't do that recklessly and ur fine

besides 30% health is super generous

[nocturne dust]

Recklessly? Lmao

[tired estuary]

idk red in and of itself has never bothered me much

[broken carbon]

woe psyker teammate upon ye

[buoyant maple]

by the time they activate red every elite is basically dying in 1 hit

what exactly is so wrong about it I don't get it

[dull scroll]

the only modifier that really need some fixing is ritual

[tired estuary]

nah I love double ritual spawn

[broken carbon]

removing a core part of the combat, stagger, just isn’t fun

[dull scroll]

that shit is troll on steroid

[tired estuary]

can we have triple ritual spawn please

[nocturne dust]

What's so wrong about it being stagger resistance and not immunity?

[dull scroll]

stuff like red and gold is small time

[buoyant maple]

do you understand how stagger reduction is calculated

be honest

[blissful solar]

what is even the point of the modifiers if they arent allowed to change core game mechanics

[nocturne dust]

no?

I doubt anyone in this Discord aside from like 3 people do

[buoyant maple]

if u don't, why would u want to apply smth u do not understand

[nocturne dust]

I mean, I don't have damage calculations either

but I can tell when something does too much or too little

[buoyant maple]

like, for one

do u know what let's say

+30% stagger reduction

actually means

because I don't

and to know what it does I'd have to check every weapon and every enemy in the code

[blissful solar]

he doesnt have to really understand the mathematical equation or anything to know that stagger immunity is 100% immune and "stagger reduction" would be <100% immune

[buoyant maple]

and stagger immunity would be better

if it's activated by player control

[blissful solar]

that's the debate happening apparently

[nocturne dust]

Like, I just want things to not be invalidated. If I invest into stagger, I should be able to use that investment.

Stagger immunity just kills that completely.

[buoyant maple]

yea, u stagger smth in first hit

[blissful solar]

it could even be stagger reduction that only activates at 30%. or it could be at 50% to make it a little more balanced i guess

[buoyant maple]

they're on the ground

next hit kills them

congratulations u bypassed red

[nocturne dust]

If I've invested in stagger, next hit may not kill them

[buoyant maple]

that's way too much of a smite problem

[dull scroll]

too hard, people still ignore mobs that literally self tags 😏

[buoyant maple]

heavy stagger state lasts quite long for 2~4 hits in

every single stagger breakpoint that matters is applied on first hit

[nocturne dust]

Again, I don't see the issue with resistance over immunity. All of this applies to resistance.

[buoyant maple]

besides ur complaining about smth that's actually already in the game

stagger immunity is already in base game

u activate it by staggering an enemy

[nocturne dust]

sure, and it sucks

[buoyant maple]

and it's not done that well

[nocturne dust]

Just because we do things a certain way doesn't mean we should keep doing it that way

[buoyant maple]

because it differs on an enemy-to-enemy basis with no visual indicators

but the idea is right

[nocturne dust]

nah

[buoyant maple]

nah the idea is right

[nocturne dust]

I think it'd be better as a stacking stagger resistance

[blissful solar]

this is clearly just a matter of opinion

[buoyant maple]

void is trying to say any form of stagger immunity is bad regardless of activation condition, without understanding how stagger system works

[nocturne dust]

Yes

You don't understand either

[buoyant maple]

but I do

[blissful solar]

if his reason for saying this is that he doesnt like things being 100% immune to stagger then he doesnt have to understand any equation or anything to say that he wants <100% stagger immunity

[nocturne dust]

okay, explain it to me so I can understand why my reasoning is wrong

[dull scroll]

who cares, didn't you yourself say game shouldn't be balanced around havoc? red only exist in havoc

[nocturne dust]

The literal beginning point of discussion is Path wants it in normal mode

[dull scroll]

wait what lol

don't do that, pubs now can't even clear auric

[buoyant maple]

do u think combat axe light attack stagger interupt 50+ maulers so they can never attack player even once, and the player being able to whittle them down over time without ever needing to dodge, is good game design

[blissful solar]

they might need to add a new type of maelstrom and then they could justify it

[buoyant maple]

be honest

[nocturne dust]

No, but stagger immunity is not needed to fix that.

[buoyant maple]

because that's what complete lack of stagger immunity means

[buoyant maple]

yea, so some form of stagger immunity is needed

[nocturne dust]

No

Again, stagger immunity is not needed to fix that

[buoyant maple]

if your solution is "tune stagger and stagger resistance so it's not able to stagger", what's the difference from that to stagger immunity

end result is "u cannot stagger"

[nocturne dust]

You tweak the Caxe's numbers, you give enemies stacking stagger resistance based on how long they've been staggered, etc. etc.

[nocturne dust]

Yes, but the point at which you reach that depends on your investment in stagger

i.e. player investment is rewarded

[buoyant maple]

that is not at all how this works

because first off there's no "stagger investment" for combat axe

not a single strength blessing affects combat axe's stagger breakpoint

[nocturne dust]

Sure, but there is for other weapons, and talents in the talent tree

and also, again, tweak Caxe's stagger numbers

[buoyant maple]

secondly, stagger blessings are done very poorly at the moment

[nocturne dust]

Sure

[buoyant maple]

because the vast majority of weapons that have those blessings

CANNOT stagger major threats without them

[nocturne dust]

I don't care about the immediate situation of the game, I'm saying it would be healthier long-term to do what I suggest over slapping stagger immunity everywhere

[buoyant maple]

because stagger is done in a staged system

+120% stagger is not a transformative increase

it could mean a lot of things

[nocturne dust]

It should be though. You could change the stagger's duration based on how much stagger is applied (and that target's resistance).

[buoyant maple]

stagger immunity is first off, already applied in the game and done mostly well with some flaws (no visual indicator)

[nocturne dust]

Well no

I don't think it's done well at all

It's just slapped on as a bandaid. It works, sure.

[buoyant maple]

I'm not talking about the bosses

I'm talking moreso about general horde enemies and elites

[nocturne dust]

I'm talking about everything.

[buoyant maple]

and ur wrong, unfortunately

[nocturne dust]

no u

[buoyant maple]

the only real issue is no visual indicator

so player cannot identify who's in a stagger immunity window and who isn't

secondly

given u do not understand the staged stagger system

I have to explain it

[nocturne dust]

Again, it's a larger systemic issue of invalidating player choice and punishing a system that is already on the back-foot compared to damage

[buoyant maple]

because stagger is done in stages, if you have already staggered an enemy

[nocturne dust]

y stagger when enemy dead

[buoyant maple]

to reach the next stagger stage you need more stagger

and to reach the one after u need even more stagger

these are not linear threshold increases

heavy stagger state has a much higher stagger threshold than medium stagger state

and then u have stagger reduction

this "stagger resistance" saying is not that intuitive

because the game only recognizes stagger reduction

when u say "stagger resistance"
does that mean higher stagger reduction, or higher stagger threshold

I cannot tell

stagger reduction is the same across all stagger stages

but threshold changes when a new stagger stage is reached

if you change threshold, u now run the risk of smth that could stagger now being completely unable to stagger no matter what

if u change reduction, u now run the risk of having a few specific attacks that ignore most of stagger reduction being completely unaffected

whereas every other weapon suffers

this is a very complex system with multiple parameters

[nocturne dust]

Sure

[buoyant maple]

so stagger immunity comes in here

[nocturne dust]

but here's the problem

[buoyant maple]

every enemy has stagger immunity

most of them are very short

like 0.2~0.3s

[nocturne dust]

you're only thinking in terms of the current system, and I think that system itself is problematic.

[buoyant maple]

short enough that u cannot tell they exist without paying close attention

[torn kernel]

Omg path hi it's been a while

[buoyant maple]

u have no good solution yet so maybe u should at least understand how the current system works

[nocturne dust]

I just provided one

[buoyant maple]

u didn't?

[nocturne dust]

Duration based on stagger value

[buoyant maple]

raise stagger resistance, what does that mean

[nocturne dust]

So you have the stagger applied

that is the stagger from the weapon reduced by stagger resistance on the target

the stagger applied controls duration of the stagger

very simple

[buoyant maple]

duration is actually even worse of an application because again, stagger stages have different corresponding stagger durations

heavy stagger lasts much longer than medium stagger

whereas medium is not much longer than light stagger

[nocturne dust]

sure, my point is you would smooth that out

[buoyant maple]

u will still have to deal with stage-to-stage transition

and code every enemy and weapon separately

[nocturne dust]

yes? Not sure what you mean

[buoyant maple]

compared to adding a short stagger immunity window that prevents stagger chaining

[nocturne dust]

You control the speed of the animation to match the duration, or move to the next animation for longer durations

[buoyant maple]

you're overcomplicating a problem for the sake of it

[nocturne dust]

I'm simplifying it, tho, it sounds like

[buoyant maple]

nah

[nocturne dust]

You provided a huge wall of text and I summarized my system in like 3 lines

[buoyant maple]

changing every stagger stage's duration, threshold, then adjusting stagger reduction, then adjust every weapon's every attack's stagger value

that's your proposal

[nocturne dust]

No

[buoyant maple]

way more complex than it realistically needs to be

[nocturne dust]

No

[buoyant maple]

this is what "smooth that out" means

[nocturne dust]

You're still thinking in terms of the current system

[buoyant maple]

change everything

[nocturne dust]

yes

[buoyant maple]

so it is overly complex and not at all worth doing

[blissful solar]

if the staged stagger system works how i think couldnt they just move the stagger thresholds up by one stage (for stagger resistance vs immunity)

[nocturne dust]

no

it's super simple

[torn kernel]

Imagine all those calculations when you're fully charging trauma into a horde or somethin

[buoyant maple]

simple if u do not understand yea lol

[torn kernel]

The game has enough performance issues as is

[buoyant maple]

not at all simple when u do understand tho

[rich spindle]

I think I get what you guys are saying. We need to buff dueling sword

[nocturne dust]

Stagger from weapon reduced by stagger resistance = duration, duration controls the animation played and the speed at which it is played

[nocturne dust]

very simple, actually

Game already runs tons of calculations like that

all the time

[buoyant maple]

ok so smite can stagger rager for 0.05s then he starts moving for another 0.05s then he gets staggered for another 0.05s

on repeat

and everyone's framerate tanks worse than when ogryn drops a box

[nocturne dust]

potentially

[nocturne dust]

no?

why do you think it will tank framerates

[torn kernel]

I know this is offtopic but i still stand by my opinion that ragers should be immune to smite

Just to fuck smykers

[buoyant maple]

game does those calculations very fast

[nocturne dust]

game already does math calculations all the time. Literally what HP is

[prime elk]

i hate math

[nocturne dust]

plus, stagger has a direction

That happens and is more complex

[prime elk]

you mean i've just been playing math all this time??

[nocturne dust]

yes

0s and 1s, booooiiiii

[torn kernel]

All games are just fancy math with graphics

Tbf

[blissful solar]

even life...

[buoyant maple]

because smite is not just a stagger effect

[nocturne dust]

Life ain't a game, it's a stage

Beloved said so

[buoyant maple]

so u also turn on/off a bunch of other switches repeatedly while u make ragers tweak

maybe when u make ur own game u can do the system ur thinking

[nocturne dust]

if that already happens, how does the proposed stagger system change anything

[buoyant maple]

because the current smite has 1 stun override and that's end of story

[blissful solar]

how does the current stagger system work? is it like this? where the bar on top "fills up" based on an attack's stagger value?

[nocturne dust]

If you wanted smite to continue doing what it is doing, you could still do that

[buoyant maple]

there's no bar to the right of stage 3 stagger

[blissful solar]

yeah

[buoyant maple]

u don't achieve anything by going above stage 3 stagger

also they're not equal distribution

[blissful solar]

(this is just hypothetical, merely an idea)

might work for reduction

[buoyant maple]

stage 1 and 2 are far easier to reach than stage 3

[blissful solar]

hmmm

[buoyant maple]

stagger reduction is a separate thing (not stagger resistance)

[nocturne dust]

Can I borrow a small loan of 10 million dollaroonnies?

[buoyant maple]

stagger reduction is applied to your stagger value, then the product is checked against these stagger stage thresholds

so for example

let's say u have a magic sword

which does 30 stagger to X armor type

[nocturne dust]

Also, just to note, stagger resistance still works in the current system as-is, cuz it's just reduction, and wouldn't need my overhaul.

[buoyant maple]

u fight an enemy with X armor type, who has 5 for stage 1, 12 for stage 2 and 40 for stage 3

[nocturne dust]

and the point there would be to allow for potential investment of stagger from players.

[celest valve]

what is this hypothetical system designed for

[blissful solar]

enemies resist stagger instead of being totally immune

[nocturne dust]

the hit videogame Darktide, brought to you by Fatshark

[buoyant maple]

however, while that enemy is attacking, he also has 50 stagger reduction

[celest valve]

you, uh, don't want to know how many calculations the flamer/flame staff does

[buoyant maple]

So now let’s do the maths

You deal 30 stagger
You’re against 50 stagger reduction

Now you have -20 stagger

GG you do not stagger

But wait that’s not the end of it

Because on weakspot hit, by default, all stagger reduction gets halved

[celest valve]

honestly, it would be really difficult to figure out something to add to darktide that would significantly increase the number of calculations per tick compared to what it already does

[buoyant maple]

So if you hit him in weakspot, you have 30-(50/2) =5 stagger

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/look-smile-smirk-breezy-moves-ornery-gif-3520545

[buoyant maple]

Unfortunately for you

[nocturne dust]

No, it would not.

[buoyant maple]

Because that enemy’s stage 1 threshold is 5

Meaning you have to be >5 to stagger

You still don’t get the stagger

[nocturne dust]

We could do some trig instead of approximations to really feel that PC heat in the coming nuclear winter

[buoyant maple]

So you cannot interrupt his attack

[celest valve]

yeah uh it already does that

[nocturne dust]

[buoyant maple]

Now, if your weapon had let’s say, +30% stagger

[nocturne dust]

They don't use approximations???

[buoyant maple]

You’d be looking at 30x1.3 -(50/2) =14

[nocturne dust]

This is basic dev stuff 😭

[amber vault]

is the regular force sword bad without uncanny strike? i was thinking of going blazing spirit and deflector but dont know if it willstill be strong

[blissful solar]

i guess, basically put, to do stagger resistance they would:

A red enemy is as hard to put into stagger 1 as a normal enemy is to put into stagger 3.

[buoyant maple]

Which is now enough to beat stage 2 stagger threshold of 12

[nocturne dust]

Yes

You can do fine if you have some other elite/carapace killer tho

[buoyant maple]

So +30% stagger in this case made you go from being able to stage 2 stagger vs not being able to stagger at all

But it’s 1 very specific example

[torn kernel]

Uncanny + deflector/slaughterer is what I'd recommend

[buoyant maple]

This weapon u use can have another attack have a different coded stagger value because yes

[celest valve]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CORDIC i mean they technically do but it's apparently all hardware based

[nocturne dust]

no, those are approximations

phew

I thought it was real trig

[buoyant maple]

They could always add more steps to dodge calculations

[blissful solar]

they could even make havoc (with red only, probably*), unlike the rest of the game, use different stagger stages. like they'd use stagger stage 1.3, 1.7, 2.5

that way the difference between stagger values can be attainable in real gameplay and not quite as exponential an increase

[amber vault]

what about the great force sword? will it be weak if i take blazing and deflect?

[torn kernel]

Give enemies dodge capable ai

[buoyant maple]

you're goddamn right because havoc already uses different stagger thresholds from base game

which I'm personally against

[celest valve]

calculating every single gunner shot hurtling towards you with scatter and a forced cone size increase or something when you dodge

[blissful solar]

i guess they could use an even more different one for red

[celest valve]

(also a shame counter of how many times you dodged early)

[buoyant maple]

there're maybe 6.52 people in the entire DT community that understand how the stagger system works

and they change that for 1 mode

very peak design

[torn kernel]

Blazing is nearly worthless on the greatsword bc everything just dies to it lol

[nocturne dust]

They don't just... spray approximate?

I mean, neat to have the bullets actually be bullets

[buoyant maple]

volumetric particle density buddy

[celest valve]

they like... do? there's AI bits where they'll strafe to fire I recall. or i could be confusing with another game but

[blissful solar]

darktide is a pretty advanced game

[celest valve]

no wait that's elden ring AI

[buoyant maple]

ur not gonna believe how many calculations are done for a weapon's dodge

[celest valve]

why the fuck did I read elden ring AI scripts

[blissful solar]

how many

[torn kernel]

More than 2

[blissful solar]

im guessing 54

[buoyant maple]

dodge template
dodge template override
class dodge template parameters
dodge diminishing returns

[nocturne dust]

It's not just a "move until collide and give immunity for duration"?

[buoyant maple]

they apply on top of each other

[nocturne dust]

right, but it doesn't calculate all that every dodge... right?

[buoyant maple]

it does calculate all that every dodge

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-fade-fade-away-disappear-evaporate-gif-16638726229780416323

mfers never heard of optimization

[celest valve]

dodging cannot happen per frame, thus most any amount of dodge calculations are trivial

[nocturne dust]

sure, but like

store the static stuff that can't change in-game in the weapon

[buoyant maple]

DT is a very optimized game I only drop to 113fps when ogryn box goes off with frame gen turned on

[nocturne dust]

as in, the calculated portion of the static stuff

Calculate it once on load/mission start

[celest valve]

also fatshark doesn't do rito levels of "we coded our entire game in C with assembly code so that we can cram as many games per server as we can"

[nocturne dust]

😭

[celest valve]

ok so what about all the gadzillion times it changes

[nocturne dust]

Bruh, I'm not an optimization engineer but surely you need to do a lil, as a treat

[nocturne dust]

that's why I specified static portion

You do calculate the parts that change in-mission

[buoyant maple]

yea one of the things they did was stagger immunity

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/listen-here-you-little-shit-gif-19917743

[celest valve]

look if there's a dynamic portion there might as well not be a static portion it doesn't matter

[buoyant maple]

because chain stagger will eventually blow calculations out of proportion

[buoyant maple]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-steam-steamhappy-gif-11912067498964962572

[blissful solar]

does this mean that final toll enemies have slightly better fps/performance

[nocturne dust]

It does

more numbers added together is worse performance

it's that simple

[buoyant maple]

whatever is gained is immediately nullified by havoc's spawn density

[celest valve]

number adding is so incredibly trivial I do not think it matters, at all, on modern computers

[nocturne dust]

It's always a tradeoff between memory and runtime, but memory is a lot easier to come by these days

[nocturne dust]

It adds up

Otherwise lag would never be

pun unintended but now that I see it, I approve of it

[celest valve]

computation lag is usually from operations that cannot be something used frame per frame

[buoyant maple]

character development for void

[celest valve]

allocating memory is probably one

[nocturne dust]

wdym

I always approve of puns

[buoyant maple]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-steam-steamhappy-gif-11912067498964962572

[celest valve]

like I think the director does do things that, if done EVERY. SINGLE. FRAME. would be uh

bad

mostly pathfinding solutions!

[nocturne dust]

sure, but that's when loading the match

and loading the match can take much longer

than a single frame can

[celest valve]

well that's disk usage

[nocturne dust]

Gotta think about ur optimization 🤓

[celest valve]

which is a whole other category of worms

[buoyant maple]

I love the fact that they felt the need to code 2 versions of every enemy melee attack

[celest valve]

but like... storing all the possible variables that dodge can have makes it literally trivial afaik to calculate it every time

even if you flip parts of it on and off again

[buoyant maple]

but I don't like how they keep messing with stagger system without ever explaining how it works to the avg player

[nocturne dust]

It's also trivial to store the part that doesn't need to be recalculated every time you dodge.

[celest valve]

it is not

that would add more code :v

[nocturne dust]

It's literally calculating it and then putting it in a single variable on mission load

and then accessing that variable when needed

[celest valve]

also like.. deciding wtf the 'static part' is I guess

and also as mentioned that's an unneeded optimization because storing 3 numbers added together in memory every time you use it adds like... a ludicrously stupid inconsequential amount of extra cycle time compared to a single number?

[nocturne dust]

Things like the base dodge distance, dodge template, modifiers from weapon stats. It depends how you want to calculate talents that mess with it as well.

[celest valve]

especially because most modern processors do that in parallel! So it can be literally ZERO extra time to add those numbers together!

[blissful solar]

i suppose it could calculate all the possible values per state it would need and then just refer to those calculated values when that state is fulfilled

[buoyant maple]

remember that DT also uses soft raytracing to do its global environmental lighting

[amber vault]

thank you guysss for the help

[nocturne dust]

assuming you have the compute

0/10, poor optimization

[celest valve]

yeah well you have it otherwise whatever the fuck on the rendering engine would render a single frame a second

[amber vault]

what is the summy stat for great force sword? forgot to ask that haha

[nocturne dust]

The compute could be tied up in doing that

[celest valve]

shotgun code is weird it does weird radial spin patterns

[nocturne dust]

Don't wanna add more tasks to limited compute

[buoyant maple]

dump warp resist

[buoyant maple]

they have so many lines for shotgun code just for all 3 to be abysmal

[amber vault]

okayyy, thank youuu

[celest valve]

warp resist is actively bad to have for the greatsword, to the point where the optimal value is 0%

[celest valve]

the horizontal shot special ammo is funny on hordes with psyker

[nocturne dust]

Me who has a FGS at 20% WR but uses the one I have at 60% anyway

[celest valve]

i think someone here got a 0% optimal one

also probably not worth as it took like literally thousands of swords

[nocturne dust]

80% every other stat?

[celest valve]

ya

[buoyant maple]

dumping WR is ultimately not that big of a difference

it's not like plasma/ripper

60% warp resist vs 30% warp resist is like 1 extra warp slash before u blow up

[celest valve]

yeah it also tbh doesn't really matter cause i think even at 60% it's over 50% which is what's mostly needed :x

[buoyant maple]

given FGS's lack of group stagger

being able to warp slash 1 more time without going immediately kaboom is nice

[nocturne dust]

the slice is the group stagger

[celest valve]

yeah but it can just decay back down to 98% or whatever and regardless of warp resist you can just use it again

[buoyant maple]

yea, which having 60% WR instead of a super dumped one is better for

[celest valve]

really low warp resist is just quality of life in getting your warp permacapped at 100% ;p

[buoyant maple]

so I don't personally find any value to chase these super dumped WR rolls

it's never gonna be practically beneficial to how much dps u can crank out

[celest valve]

mk8 haha left mouse button go brrr

[buoyant maple]

what mk8

FGS?

mk8 FGS is very funny I'm almost convinced jsat or combine invented its moveset

gotta be a special kind of autism to make a weapon's best horde combo based on swap cancel

[terse rivet]

do you not just block cancel after L3?

[celest valve]

fgs is weird and has effectively 0 swap time as you can immediately cancel the wield animation into an attack

[terse rivet]

so you spam swap cancel into l1?

[celest valve]

hypothetically the recent assail changes were a massive buff to assail weaving with the FGS too

[buoyant maple]

FGS8 best horde combo is swap to FGS, light twice, repeat

[celest valve]

i would quite frankly recommend a macro to assail swap, attack, swap back to FGS at just the right time to not cancel the assail :p

[terse rivet]

been gone for two years what assail changes?

[celest valve]

assail got rebuffed after overnerfs during the first release

[terse rivet]

was it not nerfed because people overreacted thinking it was completely broken but it was mostly just people abusing the fuck out of hand cannon rending on assail

[celest valve]

it was mostly 'cool stuff is too effective please nerf' that has plagued psyker for their entire career

[torn kernel]

swap to assail

[celest valve]

as long as you let the assail attack finish before swapping back ouit :v

[terse rivet]

Would you happen to know the exact decimal of a second to not cancel assail

[torn kernel]

when you see the blue thingy fly

you can swap back

[terse rivet]

right but for a macro

[torn kernel]

[celest valve]

off memory it's fairly quick like 0.1 but also you can just look at the code and see the attack time for assail

but also probably has to be rounded up for the ticks it runs at plus weird i don't want to do that right now darktide time

[torn kernel]

and latency/packet loss shenanigans

if you're on a shit isp

[celest valve]

fyi the odds that it will be nerfed is probably low IMO because like... unlike quell canceling, you can do it pretty easily without a macro too it's just a lil annoying :p

honestly the most likely 'removal' of it, I hope, will be simply making assail possible to use quickthrow like for zealot

...also I forgot does ogryn still have the optimal shield usage being rock swapcancel?

because admiring ur rock between attacks is optimal

[torn kernel]

holy shit is it really

[celest valve]

yes

[torn kernel]

no way that's faster than BC

[celest valve]

cancel by 'miring your rock

shield block is big long block

miring frand rock is fast

[torn kernel]

lmfao

i love that

[celest valve]

you can see it in jsat's ogryn videos they use it constantly

miring your frag grenade might also work but you need a grenade or you can't admire it

[torn kernel]

but what if

rock weaving

[celest valve]

yeah you can yeet a rock too if needed

just like

don't yeet all your rocks or you can't admire your rock anymore ya know

[torn kernel]

rock is infinite

(every 5 seconds)

[strong gulch]

Does that include the swing right after swap or wait for L1?

[celest valve]

instructions unclear, l1-4 go brr

[strong gulch]

love a go brrr

[buoyant maple]

right after

[celest valve]

(honestly i pick the easier on fingers option unless it's an extreme dps increase)

which hmm

is possible considering quell canceling was dumb

seriously the electrostaff felt like a machine gun

[plucky flax]

Same with mk6

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1363438686225698826/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2025.04.20_-_09.57.47.03.mp4?ex=68128efa&is=68113d7a&hm=16cbb8eb3bcbc3099dca470a393c8ed736d8a7c80a11521587cc12013cbca1ac&

[celest valve]

ya but mk6 is bad and has stupid diagonal attacks :c

[plucky flax]

I prefer it for the easy stab

[nocturne dust]

Well, you're bad and have stupid diagonal attacks

[steady torrent]

erm wtf

[wary flax]

Mk6 still clears hordes just fine, but having easy access to a very powerful anti-armor stab is really nice.

[plucky flax]

That guy is super rude just block him

[strong gulch]

I've been favoring the FGS8 lately. The only reason is that it's slightly faster in the hit it takes to hit a target.

I have poor reaction time, so it helps.

Also, I'm bad at melee.

[nocturne dust]

Don't mislead noobs

[mortal sandal]

Psyker level 5 woooo!!!!

[plucky flax]

Nooo beans noooooo

[strong gulch]

Being Selfish In Memes

[strong gulch]

I know right? I'm lost.

[mortal sandal]

Check out Vermintide 2 lol, you’ll get really good

[strong gulch]

Didn't transfer.

Skills stayed isolated af and died.

[mortal sandal]

FR? Transferred super smooth for me. Different buttons?

[strong gulch]

No. I don't adapt well to new button layouts.

[nocturne dust]

I played Vermintide 2. I'm bad at VT2 but good at Darktide

well, 'good'

I'm better

[strong gulch]

lol same at this point

[plucky flax]

Havoc 2.0 is probably harder than any vt2 content?

[strong gulch]

regular T5 is easier than VT2; especially with a decent team.

[plucky flax]

Regular damn is probably like legend difficulty

[strong gulch]

It's different, but VT2 has so few spawns and is much more methodical

[strong gulch]

no I can solo legend and can't a regular T5

I'm that bad

Sin and I were running around legend (maybe cata??) and it was like running around in malice.

We had overtuned characters, but still.

[plucky flax]

Cata is a bit hard. Enemies hit super hard

[celest valve]

(it's a silly response common on the internet that doesn't mean anything)

[strong gulch]

Maybe the maps were bugged, but there were no spawns. Like when the spawns broke in old havocs.

[celest valve]

dodge push dodge push repeat

[plucky flax]

Stamina takes longer to regen in dt

Vet stamina management

[celest valve]

well push less then :v

[strong gulch]

Vets need their lungs checked.

all of them got asthma or bronchitis

They let too many dreg ragers cough on em.

[celest valve]

a tad more seriously you can practice dodging as little as possible in a way that gets you not hit at all. there's like... a tempo to it it feels like which gets you never hit.

[plucky flax]

No im too bad

[cloud night]

Nah all that VoC screaming got their lungs fucked up

[celest valve]

Except for ragers. The only way to deal with ragers is to not be near them at all in melee when they swing and kill as fast as possible :p

[strong gulch]

you right

[plucky flax]

Vet rework should have stam regen delay at 0.75s default. Only 1 node on talent tree and bring it to 0.5s if taken

[strong gulch]

and them coughing right in our ears

[celest valve]

(you can dodge ragers it's just annoying and not productive at all and one mistake gets half your health chunked so meh)

(also dodging ragers gets the rest of your team killed too)

[plucky flax]

You can outrange ragers with big sword

[celest valve]

(seriously fuck ragers just kill them ASAP)

[strong gulch]

If it's just one or two ragers, not that bad to dodge. Add more tho...

[celest valve]

like any time i want a smooth no difficulty darktide game: see a rager, kill a rager

same with gunners, gunners are just ranged ragers tbh

[plucky flax]

Havoc when 40 ragers drop out of nowhere

[strong gulch]

Ragers standing in the queue ready to wreck your day.

[celest valve]

sometimes on veteran I do the team mom. aim down sights revolver. combat knife. krak grenades. VoC + toughness regen is shared with the party

[strong gulch]

Love a team mom tbh

[celest valve]

my job as team mom veteran: delete anything that hurts my team. particularly rager/gunners. and specialists. and then ranged people. melee people? meh those are the fun things they can handle

[plucky flax]

Did they survive?

[strong gulch]

yes

[plucky flax]

Veri pro

[celest valve]

this tends to result in an exceedingly smooth time. as it turns out, if you delete specialists and gunners/ragers rom the game, 3vEverything is trivial

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/spdr-spiderdao-gif-19257354

[plucky flax]

Btw did karien ever get back to you beans?

[strong gulch]

No. If she did, I missed it.

[plucky flax]

[strong gulch]

is ok

[plucky flax]

Someone click it and see what happens.

[foggy cosmos]

Fuck. Watched this same clip 5 times wondering how they were doing.

🤣

[strong gulch]

They lived. Also a there was a monster that spawned right after the rager train.

[foggy cosmos]

Hell yeah

[strong gulch]

Dog queue

[wary flax]

Wish I knew exactly how much damage I did to a plague Ogryn with my infantry autogun and active gaze.

I just mag dumped into its head and watched the health bar go down to like 20% with teammates finishing it off.

[strong gulch]

No mods. sad times

[plucky flax]

Isn't boss hp default in game?

[strong gulch]

Can't remember. I was just about to ask.

[wary flax]

You just see a red bar, it doesn't show numbers.

[strong gulch]

Can be hard to pay attention to it tho. Record if you can I guess. PS5 has some clip feature I think (unless someone was using a capture card) and you can record with steam.

[plucky flax]

I see. So the number is probably from numeric ui.

[wary flax]

I have unyielding and elite damage perks on the gun, the blessing that gives damage on repeated hits and one for backstab damage (for beasts).

So it's kinda set up for boss killing, my main weapon is Deimos.

Also I crit on almost every shot even without the gaze.

Can't test how much damage I deal with full (or near full) disrupt destiny charges since you can't get them in the meat grinder.

[nocturne dust]

elite doesn't help with bosses iirc

[wary flax]

I honestly was wondering if it does anything for bosses.

[weary idol]

https://imgur.com/a/x8a8LuX

[nocturne dust]

You would be better served with flak, since that works on captains

[wary flax]

That's kinda exactly what happened in the game.

[nocturne dust]

You can also get DD charges in the grinder if you have creature spawner and turn off invisibility, since DD only targets active enemies

[weary idol]

that's on an infantry autogun without unyielding btw

[strong gulch]

If you're doing mods, there's ones that give you the DD stacks for testing so you don't have to fiddle around.

[upbeat kestrel]

that combat shotty XD

[weary idol]

yeah wb it

https://imgur.com/a/NEwCDwN

[upbeat kestrel]

i meant the look

[weary idol]

seems very comfortable to hold yes

[wary flax]

I was using vraks tho.

[weary idol]

The clip is a vraks I just didn't change it off agri for the screenshot

[wary flax]

Ah, ok.

[weary idol]

I switch between them and cba to change the perk from crit chance every time

[upbeat kestrel]

when i used the weapon customization mod i just cut off stock from shotguns

[weary idol]

On agri I would probably use carapace or unyielding damge

still very funny that the infantry autos can kill carapace

[wary flax]

I only used autoguns against armor with Onslaught on veteran.

[weary idol]

even without onslaught they kill carapace alarmingly quickly

[steady torrent]

Erm actually, im level 956 psyker number one NA

[wary flax]

I kinda liked veteran with autogun, onslaught and marksmans focus.

Assault rifle go brrr, heretics go "ooh, ah, that hurts". Well, not really, cause they're all dead.

[nocturne dust]

That's not true, I heard this guy called Unsanctioned is numbah wan

[weary idol]

gun vet build with no onslaught

with the way that I would build the talent tree for that

[nocturne dust]

I see them on NA East all the time

@plucky flax

[nocturne dust]

ping unrelated

[weary idol]

veteran posting in psyker chat

sue me

[strong gulch]

This you?

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/will-smith-court-the-fresh-prince-of-bel-air-carlton-banks-gif-12036870

[weary idol]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-catstare-funnycat-kittycat-cat-meme-face-gif-1290001693464295410

[wary flax]

Get brain bursted, idiot.

[steady torrent]

Well, thats my second account (im lying)

[steady torrent]

Nah lol, named my psyker "Lich"

[nocturne dust]

The Unsanctioned? Impossible

[strong gulch]

[steady torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/ai-dog-suit-swag-swaws-gif-10136801060173225238

[plucky flax]

Can't be me I'm a fake.

[nocturne dust]

It's true, they said they're the real one after all

[wraith sphinx]

Fake news, there is no such thing as an unsanctioned psyker

[plucky flax]

You're welcome.

[wraith sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/salute-cat-cute-yessir-gif-17449845613192073437

[plucky flax]

2 oggies 1 zeal and me burga no bubble.

Was kind of hard but my fault for not bringing safety bubble. Xd

[wraith sphinx]

It's a crutch anyways

Take venting shriek insteas and be free

[plucky flax]

Tru

[foggy cosmos]

Bro I saw your pfp and instantly heard the sounds of Revachol

That was a cool game

[wraith sphinx]

Banger game truly

[plucky flax]

Fun fact I have the kim kitsuragi official jacket.

Both black and orange lol.

[nocturne dust]

silence heathen

embrace bubble

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1313803542196391936/elmopsyker.gif

[plucky flax]

Embrace skorpion.

[wraith sphinx]

Never 😠

[plucky flax]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1366814673114239017/image.png?ex=6812f99c&is=6811a81c&hm=b807378a1f1c40a4ffa506c11017b1f2ef89e289228b1f0e0efe3ce5defff0e0&

Ninja ahh

[wraith sphinx]

Something something mortal kombat

[nocturne dust]

"get over here"

https://tenor.com/view/mortal-kombat-scorpion-get-over-here-mk11-mortal-kombat11-gif-17129778

Old Man Skorp with that white hair tho

[strong gulch]

can't unsee it

[plucky flax]

It's a pretty sick premium skin ngl

[wraith sphinx]

It's def one of the nicer designs

[plucky flax]

Psyker is actually quite buffed bro has bicep vein.

[wraith sphinx]

Hell yeah

[plucky flax]

Putting the team on his back.

[wraith sphinx]

Swole from all the carrying

[strong gulch]

Hope you don't mean the skulls in the back packs

[plucky flax]

Teammates from previous round.

They didn't make it 💀

[strong gulch]

😭

[wraith sphinx]

[wary flax]

My first thought was "Mortal Kombat" when I saw this outfit.

[plucky flax]

[wary flax]

Kinda not a fan of most outfits you can get for psyker, tbh.

Mostly the ones with like big pauldrons.

[fiery stratus]

every psyker outfit has a big goofy collar

[wraith sphinx]

I mean them's the lore breaks

[strong gulch]

That reminds me, there's a new bigger goofier collar

[fiery stratus]

they can make some more lowprofile ones

[wraith sphinx]

I do prefer the fits where the collar is subtle instead of being peacocked

but honestly what gets me is the amount of psyker tops with stupid loincloths

[strong gulch]

Look at that fecking thing.

[wraith sphinx]

nice feathers 😏

[strong gulch]

I fecking bought it

[wraith sphinx]

I ended up buying the newest psyker torso in the shop despite my initial dislike of it

The loincloth looks stupid but the rest of the fit is incredibly solid, especially the gloves

[fiery stratus]

I bought the vet one

the outfit

[wraith sphinx]

otherwise this is the one I want

on the off chance it reappears in the store I'll cop it immediately

I like this one too but it seems to be essentially deprecated and I've never seen another psyker wear it

[wary flax]

How many belts does a psyker need?

[fiery stratus]

that second one is noice

[wraith sphinx]

always carry spares

you don't want to get caught with your pants down

[wary flax]

Safety First!

[strong gulch]

haven't seen this one

must have been up during one of my breaks

[wraith sphinx]

I also like the dark krieger one

[weary idol]

I think it's more because a lot of psyker cosmetics are meant to restrict movement as much as cover or protect them

So they're kind of like straitjackets

[wraith sphinx]

I don't really see it to be honest

I think the belts in particular are just a silly fantasy detail

also what pains me the most about psyker outfits is their atrocious glove game

[torn kernel]

I'm forever praying for psyker pants that aren't baggy but also doesn't give em chicken legs

[wraith sphinx]

way too many psyker outfits, both free and paid, have those goofy thick butcher's gloves

[torn kernel]

Best psyker torso is the one you get from malleus monstronum 😤

Fingerless gloves

[wraith sphinx]

true that one is fire

just a little bit too greebly for me 🥲

[torn kernel]

yeah if they release something as chunky but with less random dangly shit all over the place i'd cop it immediately

[wraith sphinx]

I like this one a lot too but the manacles get annoying to look at after a while

[torn kernel]

although to be fair dangly snag hazards are a 40k thing in general so

[wraith sphinx]

something like these?

[wary flax]

How do you even get that one? Just kill a monstrosity with brain burst in a private game?

[wraith sphinx]

yes

[torn kernel]

oooh that looks nice, a little poufy tho

[wary flax]

Why is it exclusive to private game, anyway?

[torn kernel]

it used to lead to griefing because "muh penances"

[fiery stratus]

Needs more coordination

[torn kernel]

so they banished it to private games only

[wraith sphinx]

Those are the only in-the-middle type I could find I'm afraid

[fiery stratus]

its just hard to do things like that with randoms, and it was causing issues with people trying in public games

takes more team effort for most people, so they need private games

[torn kernel]

i like the leather ones in store rn ngl

[wraith sphinx]

everything else is either regular psyker slim-fit or baggy imperial guard stuff

[wraith sphinx]

same I love these sm

[torn kernel]

with pubs these days i don't think it's gonna be that hard considering how many people just fuckin ignore monsties

[torn kernel]

I WANT THOSE

[wary flax]

Kinda annoying seeing random psykers using brain burst on trash mobs.

[fiery stratus]

Cleanest drips?

[wraith sphinx]

you're late by like a month and a half I'm afraid

[torn kernel]

wait didn't we have this convo like last week @wraith sphinx

[wraith sphinx]

er I don't think so, but possibly?

premium drip gets brought up all the time anyway

[torn kernel]

WE DID

[wraith sphinx]

lmao

[torn kernel]

i'm a sucker for that kasrkin helm

sucks vet didn't get one smh smh 😔

[wraith sphinx]

anyways I've no clue when they'll reappear, courtesy of fomo shop

there are these currently in rotation though

[weary idol]

It USED to require you to completely kill a monstrosity from 100 to 0 with brain burst only

and was then changed to be 90%

and then 50%

and then private game only

because people would throw games to try and get it

[wary flax]

Bruh.

[weary idol]

any penance you see that says private game only used to not be that way, and was changed because people were griefing public lobbies to try and do them

and rather than rework the penances to be less fucking stupid

Fatshark made them private game only as a bandaid

[steady torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/trash-spongebob-gif-18104249

[nocturne dust]

and then nerfed them anyway

so now the private penance thing is kinda redundant

[weary idol]

in the case of malleus monstronum you could p easily get it legit in game with a meme brain burst spam build

one blue stim+3 stacks of EP, and double shield

[vagrant cedar]

they should do a podcast to explain their descisions like that. 100 to 0 brainburst, what where you thinking??

[weary idol]

you're gonna do half that monstrosities health in the blink of an eye

[nocturne dust]

eeeehhhh

[fiery stratus]

urmadcuzbad

[nocturne dust]

BB isn't that good at boss damage

even with all the buffs

[cosmic sigil]

shadow taxe wizard gang

[nocturne dust]

but, I guess if you get lucky with a weakened boss/really bad teammates, you might have the time

[steady torrent]

nah uh

[wraith sphinx]

[weary idol]

https://imgur.com/a/5JCILC2

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, not great

[weary idol]

pogryns are the worst monstrosity to get it for

but you get half a burgle or chaos spawns health before the blue stim runs out