psyker-class

[wraith sphinx]

it's a "why should muscle and mind compete when they can complement one another" type deal

[celest valve]

veteran does that without being weird

but yes magic and martial is a cool mix

[plucky flax]

Reject gazer. Embraace bubble.

[wraith sphinx]

is this an ok bistol build for gunker?

[weary idol]

execution isn't good

use surgical instead

also p sure it wants flak/unarmored

[wraith sphinx]

not even for bash shoot spam?

[weary idol]

it doesn't do good carapace dmage, and has good enough unyielding by default

why would you...do that?

[deft stump]

So, anyone actually plays Star Rail here?

[weary idol]

if they're close enough for that

your melee will do more damage

[weary idol]

I don't like gambling so...no

[wraith sphinx]

even illisi fs?

[weary idol]

yeah

[wraith sphinx]

ok 👍

[weary idol]

if you want a single target gun for gunker you should use vraks infantry autogun

yes it kills carapace too

it's stupid

[wraith sphinx]

I put this together with the vision to pull it out if I get blindsided by crushers or bulwarks and need to dispose of them yesterday

I thought it'd be better than vraks ag vs cara

[deft stump]

Was asking in general.

I have scratch cards from an offline collab event.

[wraith sphinx]

yeah ok my bistol idea definitely won't work

the damage increase is negligible especially considering how annoying it is to line up a bash shot

haha oopsie

infinite PC cycle 🙈

[plucky flax]

I use bistol with flak maniac surgical and the bleed blessing.

[wraith sphinx]

yeah surgical and bleed are the only blessings that feel good to use

[zinc phoenix]

If you aren’t being dangerously cheesy run and gun feels pretty solid

I love being able to nail specialists at a full sprint and the tighter clustering is also nice

[upper sun]

run n gun is great

[deft stump]

Nu. Run&Gun and Puncture. Use it to blam blam your way into melee to bonk.

This sounds like a Zealot though.

[rigid sky]

Lethal proxy too fun though

But more important on psyker

[deft stump]

That's more for Vet.

[narrow summit]

Hey, would anyone be able to help me with Malleus Monstrorum

[strong gulch]

Sure. I'm operating on very little sleep. What could go wrong?

[narrow summit]

Haha, famous last words!

[strong gulch]

You got BB build?

[narrow summit]

Yep

[strong gulch]

kk

[wraith sphinx]

need a third?

[strong gulch]

Sure. Join off me

[wraith sphinx]

on it

unprivate the mission so I can join

[strong gulch]

mm tho D:

[wraith sphinx]

reprivate it after I join 😄

[strong gulch]

send friend code

pm

[wraith sphinx]

alr

nah I'll just post it here

oh you're in a mission already ic

[subtle timber]

Would I, Psyker with Inferno staff, benefit from this Ogryn's Aura as well? Got curious.

[karmic temple]

how bad would a blaze force greatsword plus double barrel be for psyker my dumb heavy ogryn brain wants to make it work

[proper charm]

Before I waste more money. I'm trying to get a mk VI greatsword by buying from Burnt's armory, but I have rolled like 5 and they're all mk VIII's. Was it just bad luck or do I have to unlock the mk VI from elsewhere first?

[jovial juniper]

Go to your inventory
Select your sword
Look at the top right corner
Click versions or marks

[proper charm]

yeah but I can't change it

I tried

[jovial juniper]

So it seems like you're lacking mastery

[proper charm]

oh right I hadn't thought of that, shit

[weary idol]

yes

inferno staff has a fuckton of suppression

[proper charm]

at least I'll melt those for mastery

[jovial juniper]

Our DB siker advocates got banned
But yeah it'll work

[weary idol]

I don't really see the point of DB on psyker

[karmic temple]

funnys

plus scrier

[weary idol]

No I mean

I feel like the Zarona combat shotgun will just do the same thing but with more ammo

Since you get so much damage as gun psyker

[karmic temple]

yea but the satisfaction of the double barrel

all i need

[wraith sphinx]

paradoxically the db is very fun to use on my gunker as opposed to the combat shotgun

I wouldn't ever bring either to high level havoc though

[karmic temple]

i will make the meme build work on high havoc mark my words

[plucky flax]

Don't let your meme be dream

[near wyvern]

Depends on what difficulty you are aiming for. For auric damnation quick play it is doable, but you will mostly use the sword because the shotgun has ammunition issues.

For havocs it is not going to happen.

For Mortis Trials if you get the infinite ammo on crit it's GG spam double shots to your hearts content (use bleed on crit and more crit per enemy hit for your blessings)

[regal harness]

whats a good Blaze Force Greatsword perk and blessing

[brazen rampart]

Yeah, inferno suppresses with one m1 puff.

[near wyvern]

Check Atheneum

@regal harness
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959

[regal harness]

[strange wyvern]

Ngl I do want a basic bitch pump action with a flashlight

probably not cannon to 40k though

[wraith sphinx]

nah it wouldn't be a stretch to imagine something like that existing for civvies and hive gangers

[plucky flax]

Enforcers use a lot of shotgun

They should have flashlight to go inside dodgy habs

[wraith sphinx]

yeah same with imperial navy armsmen

shotguns and handguns are the weapons of choice for deck combat and boarding so they don't puncture the hull and cause explosive decompression with a stray shot

and the average imperial ship is basically just a flying city slum on the inside anyways

also unrelated but lmao, just heard an ogryn player yelling about rations being cut in the hub area

[narrow herald]

Wait is that THE Pygex??????

[upper sun]

no

[wraith sphinx]

what's a pygex

[jovial juniper]

No one important
Just the creator of the biggest psyker guide

You know

[deft stump]

You mean outdated.

[wraith sphinx]

oh I see

cool

[rich spindle]

anyone here broke 3 mil dmg on a healers havoc yet

[long wharf]

it's worth noting that Pygex's Atheneum isn't just a big psyker's guide, but the first class guide for Darktide that delved into actual, verified mechanics and rules from the code

a lot of us contributed to it to help with accuracy

if anything in it has been outdated, that should absolutely be reported to Pygex so he can update it

accuracy requires vigilance over time

that's a general life lesson, as well

[narrow herald]

Nah just see the top builds in gameslantern

They have the largest essays, must be correct 💯

When I'm in a spreading misinformation contest, and my opponent is a Darktide Content Creator:

[deft stump]

Isn't it just those Youtuber builds?

[narrow herald]

Yep

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d799ecb-e636-48b3-b088-df38d767c119/recon-lasgun-jeficus

Behold and witness

[deft stump]

You owe me cute fwuffy baby animal pics for trauma.

What the flying dook in Heck is that?

Why even bother with WS. I just don't get it.

Also damage dump knoife... Just.

No uncanny for stupid memes as well.

[plucky flax]

[jovial juniper]

[marble crater]

How does it feel to see meme builds that aren't your own?

[marble crater]

For the crit chance, for shock trooper and more stamina for dead shot.
It's all about shooting reconlas for as long as possible

[deft stump]

That's no meme. They are serious. I even state my personal builds are memes or niche.

[deft stump]

You need to kill at least 6 enemies in melee to get the crit.

IDK if people even melee with THAT build.

And the crit is 1 shot only.

Rest is increased chance.

[deft stump]

You WS with single shot, shotguns or semiautos for a reason.

[marble crater]

6 enemies to kill in melee, wherever will we find those. Build is ruined

[wraith sphinx]

another day another defeat by the great h21 filter

[marble crater]

[wraith sphinx]

dramatically better performance with my assail gunker build though for sure

[narrow herald]

It's to proc invigorated to get the stam back

[deft stump]

I guess shoot then swap then swap back to gun. .-.

[narrow herald]

This is why Deadshot is a cope talent

Look at what it does to people

[deft stump]

Just use and git gud with the dodge stam...

[deft stump]

I mean, that's still cute.

[long wharf]

that's hideous

[deft stump]

This is just funni.

[deft stump]

Look, I used to have a assault bunny. I swear if he had access to a armored suit... ppl he considers to be bad would be ded. Everyone he tried to bite ended up hurting us one way or another.

[long wharf]

well yeah, you own a vicious rodent that attacks people

naturally they're going to get revenge

[narrow herald]

I don't think rabbits are rodents

[deft stump]

Not really everyone. Anyone he lets pat are all good people.

[long wharf]

you're going to want to google this...

[narrow herald]

Yep I was right:

[long wharf]

huh, well TIL I guess

[paper harbor]

Lagomorpha is who they are

[narrow herald]

Lago Deez NU..

[paper harbor]

Lagooner

[narrow herald]

AA 😭

[deft stump]

Price of Zealot mains having access to other chats, I guess.

[marble crater]

Unhinged individuals, the Emperor's Light has clearly abandoned them

[solemn atlas]

Does warp slice even work?
Anyone know?

[queen fog]

Yea but there’s cooler blessings imo so I don’t use it often

[solemn atlas]

I haven't seen it work at all

[blissful solar]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-toy-with-me-miss-nagatoro-hayase-hayase-nagatoro-anime-miss-nagatoro-gif-3194964525569635045

[queen fog]

Without burn it doesn’t look like much even with crit

It’s a good horde weakener or at least mine was when I rocked warp slash for a minute

[jovial juniper]

Blazing Spirit doesn't work With Warp Slice

[queen fog]

Huh so those flame swipes I did were natural crits not warp slices, amazing

[solemn atlas]

I played a whole game and never seen warp slice proc once
Is there any req to proc it besides hitting a crit?

[strange wyvern]

having the blessing equipped

[solemn atlas]

You gave me an idea to put showstopper on my staff

Ty

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/nicolas-cage-dazed-unbearable-weight-massive-talent-pedro-pascal-gif-15280745598034380181

If you like gambling then sure

[solemn atlas]

Never know when you're gonna win big

I plan on winning

[strange wyvern]

well it's either that or your staff has no soulblaze at all

[strange wyvern]

wait what does showstopper do again?

[solemn atlas]

20% chance to boom

Only on elite and special

Kill

[solemn atlas]

Wait warp slice doesn't really work with perfect timing

[vernal temple]

woah, just did two h40 missions back to back. what a fantastic team we were. a book zealot, a VoC plasma vet, a taunt ogryn and me, a purga bubble psyker

funny thing is, this is the first time I've used a purga build in havoc. and went straight into an h40 to test it out

[plucky flax]

Should play more melee.

[vernal temple]

melee psyker in havoc?

oh btw the purga build I used was from one of your YT videos, I just replaced shriek with bubble

[plucky flax]

Nice one mate but yes. The infamous bubble knight.

[vernal temple]

I must admit, in the right team, an inferno build feels a lot more powerful, than a trauma build

[plucky flax]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ebacfec-9eb8-4f84-b139-4e3cca58dcfb/bubble-knight-melee-havoc-40

Yeah the changes to pc and kf make burga the most powerful by far now.

And it's so easy to play.

[vernal temple]

yeah, I think I've only went down once during both missions

[strange wyvern]

burga is short for?

[plucky flax]

Purgatus aka inferno

[strange wyvern]

o

[blissful solar]

i want tasty burga

[vernal temple]

the vet had a bit of a hard time tho, with the plasma gun overheating a number of times lol

[vernal temple]

https://tenor.com/view/wendys-spongebob-squarepants-wendys-x-the-krabby-patty-kollab-the-krabby-patty-kollab-the-krabby-patty-gif-1886237768776391100

[plucky flax]

Plasma vet using right click?

[vernal temple]

no idea, lol. but he popped a lot as if he's the psyker and not me

[strange wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-ramsey-gif-17974914

[vernal temple]

oh btw, does the plasma gun inflic aoe damage to surrounding enemies when the vet goes down? or only perrils of the warp does that?

[strange wyvern]

i assume it's the exact same

[plucky flax]

Ye it's the same code.

You could get that penance with vet.

[deft stump]

I dunno if I should link her this... Will I regret it?

[plucky flax]

If she's not playing havoc just go gazer.

[deft stump]

She just wants bubble though.

That's the problem.

Is why I'm like, ask Chaos about it.

He runs a Bubble psyknight.

[plucky flax]

Then sure it'll still work.

[deft stump]

So... Yeah.

[plucky flax]

All havoc builds would work in normal mode.

Just not as optimised since they tend to be a bit more defensive.

[deft stump]

I honestly don't think that'll matter. <_<

[thorn cedar]

most of my havoc psyker builds do not carry over into regular

density/ttk is too low for it to reach output and they are all generally slower

[deft stump]

I mean, it's just BEEG SWORD and bubble.

RIGHT?

[wraith sphinx]

it shouldn't even really matter anyhow because non havoc lacks all those modifiers that make enemies a lot tougher anyways

[deft stump]

It can't be as bad as what she's already running right now while lvling up.

Yes, she decided to drop Assail for BB.

Don't ask me why.

Also, Remind me to tell her to ignore the weapon stats.

YOu forgot to change them, lmao.

[plucky flax]

No just do 76% all stats.

[strange wyvern]

isn't 76% all harder to get then 4 80s 1 60?

[long wharf]

it's vastly less likely

in fact, I've never seen it happen

[vernal temple]

this looks like fun, but my dumb ass is way too green to try this in havoc lol

also what's with that servo skull talking about purchases the entire mission?

[strange wyvern]

me getting 2 combat shotguns in a row with 60% damage 80% everything else

[long wharf]

I'm pretty sure the stat distribution code makes it basically impossible to get 76 for every max stat

[deft stump]

Sounds like the new cheat mod that gives you a flashllght every mission.

[plucky flax]

Servo fren ♥

I forgot to turn off the audio for that.

[blissful solar]

yeahhh it's a cheaty mod but it's cool as hell

[deft stump]

Still clearly an advantage though. And you don't even have to trade your gun melee for it.

[plucky flax]

Its legal

[long wharf]

it's tolerated

[deft stump]

More or less.

[long wharf]

the servoskull mod is a neat idea, I just don't like how cheaty it is

[strange wyvern]

I mean it's pretty redundant outside of the low light modifier no?

[long wharf]

doesn't it also highlight enemies, collectables, etc.?

[strange wyvern]

dunno, I don't use the mod

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/he-was-a-friend-a-good-friend-fintan-bodkin-he-was-a-genuine-friend-charlie-kelly-gif-6626384176245473353

[deft stump]

Is still cheaty for it. And now you can make it so the servo doesn't roam as much so you always have light on top of the flash light being shone on a WIDER area.

And yes, it can find items for you. But other mods already do that anyway.

[strange wyvern]

granted I do think having an outline for items that are called out would probably help with visibility
at least maybe I can stop pinging ammo with pubs walking right past them

like they do with enemies

[deft stump]

Still, the fact it's a flashlight with no price is just another hard advantage.

[long wharf]

I mean, the whole point of lights out is the dark atmosphere and near-jump-scares

why not just crank up your in-game brightness and also the HD over-brightness in your display drivers?

[wraith sphinx]

Using mods to circumvent lights out is honestly really lame. Why even bother playing missions with that condition, then?

[strange wyvern]

I still do want a double barrel mk with a torch instead of bash or something

[long wharf]

yeah, shotgun having a melee bash is stupid

put a flashlight on there

[deft stump]

Or go full Youtuber with reshade to make Lights out just...

[prime elk]

nah bash is good

[wraith sphinx]

or at least a bayonet

[long wharf]

bash is pointless on a ranged weapon designed for up-close range

the bash is slow, it doesn't have enough stagger to be worth using

it's literally faster to switch to your melee to stagger something and switch back to shoot it

than try to use the special melee on the combat shotgun

[nocturne dust]

Staff bash has stagger and cleave, still trash

[long wharf]

I've been saying since release that each of the psyker staves should have unique warp attacks for their special activations

a physical staff poke is beyond pointless, it begs to question the sanity of whoever made the decision

[nocturne dust]

Bashes don't really make sense in a game about constantly swapping between melee and ranged. Even for Ogryn, they're kinda meh.

[long wharf]

yep

[deft stump]

They should just have a proper toggle to change special to flashlight by choice on certain types of guns where the special isn't actually something special.

[strange wyvern]

I mean if they dealt more than 40 damage on ogryn

[plucky flax]

I hosted and a lvl 21 vet requested to join so I gave him a chance. Man was 100% not 40 ready.

[strange wyvern]

oh sorry, kickback bash does 60 damage against unarmored body

[long wharf]

that's 100% on you

[plucky flax]

Eh I don't lose rank so it's whatever for me.

[nocturne dust]

well, yes, but then it wouldn't really be a bash

[plucky flax]

They wanted to join and try 40 so they lose rank and that's on them.

[nocturne dust]

Ranged weapon bashes are normally high stagger and low damage

[long wharf]

how many ways does Ogryn have for dealing extra damage to staggered enemies?

[nocturne dust]

A lot

Not sure about stagger-specific source count

[dull scroll]

I been hosting pubs lately as well 😏

[strange wyvern]

sorry I refuse to run bubble

[wraith sphinx]

my man speaking with the godless incomprehension of babylon

[regal pivot]

Speaking of pubs anyone want to jump in a private game and get the malleus monstrum penance done?

[verbal thistle]

I can after my misison

[deft stump]

I can get on.

But Ainz will get it done faster tbh.

[wraith sphinx]

my last pub havoc today ended in a wipe barely 5 minutes after start, a plague ogryn managed to launch all 3 of them off the skyway

[regal pivot]

its no worries @deft stump i just know its tough sometimes to find a group wanting to do the private mission penance

[deft stump]

Well, i'll get on and see if we get it done before he's free.

[plucky flax]

Me oggy me smash

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/weakness-disgusts-me-madara-uchiha-madara-naruto-weakness-disgust-me-gif-17219305

[strong gulch]

I got a couple all 76 stats. I mainly see them from emp gifts or from melk.

[dull scroll]

what a class

[wraith sphinx]

otherwise yeah, lotta bad matches today

[wraith sphinx]

same story almost every weekend

[deft stump]

Just invite me whenever the INF load goes away.

[plucky flax]

Don't mind me just left click spam an orange chaos spawn.

[strange wyvern]

Boobles put me to sleep

[nocturne dust]

good

You need it

You should sleep more

[deft stump]

You get the code in find friends.

Not there. Look at the bottom right, lul.

[upper sun]

anyone wanna play a game?

[plucky flax]

It's too late bed time.

[narrow herald]

Tbh I've noticed that the bigger problem with pubs now is that nobody kills the mutants

So I'm wondering if the barrier is better than bubble 💀

[upper sun]

i spent 10 minutes trying to clutch smelter

and failed

[plucky flax]

Why don't you sleep?

[dull scroll]

if it's 40 I'll come

[upper sun]

i cant too early

[upper sun]

dont have the energy for that

[plucky flax]

Isn't it past midnight for you?

[upper sun]

its 12:30

[plucky flax]

'Early'.

Okay bro.

Very healthy guy here.

[strong gulch]

Sleeping too hard.

[upper sun]

leaf me alone i cant sleep

[plucky flax]

Okay sry

I hope you can sleep soon sleep is so nice

[upper sun]

me too

[narrow herald]

Me with insomnia:

[strange wyvern]

no idea why half the pubs will ignore muties
Had a zealot get thrown 3 times trying to revive me and I'd bled out before they got there

[prime elk]

nah. you can bash bursters for style points

[strange wyvern]

and dogs

(then die because servers said no)

[prime elk]

with dogs, i prefer to side step the pounce and kill them with a single strike mid-air for style points

(then die because servers said no)

[lyric radish]

i mismanaged peril and got this

[verbal thistle]

@regal pivot I can help now

just need your fatshark code, social menu then press E

[regal pivot]

@verbal thistle just finished it up! thank you though

[long wharf]

I misread this as "bank account code"

[karmic temple]

How else are you gonna thank him for the help

[upper sun]

ainz once again stealing work from me.........

i bet he doesnt even blue stim people like me...........

[celest valve]

off memory I think it's completely random aside from a percent chance(in the armory only) to have a single stat maxed?

[marble crater]

Didn't you want to sleep?

Also, Expedition 33 is so much fun, everyone go play

[gusty warren]

What does blaze away for infernal do? Basically get bonus the longer M2 is held?

And you get the max bonus when charging and firing 50% of the whole bar?

[marble crater]

Increases your damage by a lot after firing it for like 1-2 seconds

[upper sun]

man

i think they fixed the density

[jovial juniper]

You get the bonus quite literally instantly

[gusty warren]

What

So what does this blessing want you to do?

Firing as long as possible? A bit?

[jovial juniper]

Just fire

[gusty warren]

have no idea what is counted as magazine

[jovial juniper]

It'll work

[long wharf]

it was such a bad idea for purge to get that blessing

[gusty warren]

……any fire?

[jovial juniper]

Puffs will stack 1 by 1

[lyric radish]

i'm planning to buy it after salary out

[jovial juniper]

Charged will stack *instantly

[deft stump]

WDYM? I stole it. You have been shirking off so much.

[gusty warren]

Damn

[jovial juniper]

It's just that good

[upper sun]

u as well..........

[gusty warren]

So it is probably bugged and broken and I should just slap it on and not think too much about it

[upper sun]

ive been playing kickback for a while and i thought it got nerfed but i was using the wrong kickback without blaze away

it fucking activates on the first shot

[marble crater]

Nothing is bugged

[lyric radish]

Trauma staff is fun cc the crusher like no tomorrow

[jovial juniper]

Remember
It's not a bug
It's a feature

[marble crater]

Just channel your staff and shoot

[upper sun]

its a free 9% power buff

[jovial juniper]

Check on D*rn

He probably kept tabs on it

[marble crater]

Enjoy the music

[upper sun]

what

[deft stump]

Who made me decide to go into it? Clad going on "holiday".

[jovial juniper]

D*rn

The shirtless zealot player

With a gimp masks

[strong gulch]

Hi

[upper sun]

yeah idk

[marble crater]

*orn

[upper sun]

i had him muted for months now

[gusty warren]

Ah yes broken by design

[marble crater]

Hi

[strong gulch]

Hi

[jovial juniper]

[upper sun]

look at this nice density now

ive never seen poxgas like this before

or this

[marble crater]

You too, play Expedition 33

[strong gulch]

Do what now?

[karmic temple]

its a game

[marble crater]

Play the game called Expedition 33

[karmic temple]

turn based kinda like persona i believe

[marble crater]

It's like if turn based Final Fantasy and a soulslite had a baby

[upper sun]

sell it to me

[deft stump]

Don't you block everyone anyway?

[upper sun]

no that was different

he muted me on his discord

[deft stump]

Ah.

[upper sun]

so i muted him on everything for ~ 5 months now?

[marble crater]

Turn based combat, but you still can and have dodge and parry the enemy, great music, great atmosphere, nice map design and story. Can make different builds with skills to combo things, every character has a unique mechanic for their attacks that they need to combo

[deft stump]

But But, Surgical+Run&Gun snipes.

[upper sun]

blaze away is 9% power on every hit stacking

it helps a lot with breakpoints

[strong gulch]

I will put it on my list at the very least.

[upper sun]

🤔

it looks nice

maybe for the summer

[marble crater]

[deft stump]

But is it better than SSurgical? Cos keeping Run&gun for well, you know.

Emergency needs to shoot thing FAR away.

[long wharf]

it's actually the music that turned me away from it

[upper sun]

tbh i dont like timed doges or parries in turn based games

[long wharf]

sounded like generic fantasy music

[long wharf]

and this

[upper sun]

try run n gun with blaze away

[marble crater]

That's a fair point, music too I guess, because it's subjective. I love the music

[deft stump]

Do note it's a sidearm for my blonk Steal Clad's job build.

[long wharf]

music can be a dealbreaker for me for games

I have very... stringent music requirements

[marble crater]

If you don't want to deal with dodges and parries you can probably manage if you don't play on the highest difficulty

The timing is also not like you might be used from other games, overall still a great game though

[upper sun]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9e830b0c-e9ce-4306-88c2-f8b43eb87cd8
this is pretty much my shield build just change the melee weapon and change dedicated practice(swap speed) to attention seeker(taunt on block)

[upper sun]

theres a mod for the dodging btw

[marble crater]

As in automatically dodges?

[deft stump]

I still prefer Surgical. This can't one shot snipers too far away even on repeated tests.

Unless I crit.

[upper sun]

you just need 2 shots for far away snipers

[strong gulch]

anyone doing the event?

[upper sun]

😭 no already done

[strong gulch]

kk

[deft stump]

Finished. Now... refining Steal Clad's job weapons, yes.

[long wharf]

it was nicely easy to finish quickly

[marble crater]

Also no, my wrist is not better

[lyric radish]

any disrupted destiny enjoyer here?

[long wharf]

sounds like you need to ... restrict your one-handed activities

[long wharf]

I do like DD

it's nice, consistent damage increase

[marble crater]

Nah, it's from Darktide, playing too much EK

[lyric radish]

plus spd from crit you feel like flying the whole time

[deft stump]

I run that, actually.

[long wharf]

sure, uh huh

[upper sun]

not bad

[marble crater]

You are missing 3 talents in the bottom middle

[upper sun]

you mean she has 3 talents

i wouldnt take fnp upgrades tbh

[deft stump]

The Pained outburst choice is for last reort things. You know i always play with enough ping to scare people.

Having to emergency clutch at near 400 ping is very fun.

[strange wyvern]

how do I check my progess on it?

[deft stump]

THe push thing is cos well, this is my push blonk build.

I push atk everything.

[upper sun]

slam gives enough stamina

[deft stump]

16 stam, 4 are free.

[long wharf]

hold tab when you're on the Mourningstar

[long wharf]

hit 'E' to cycle through the lists

that's also how you can check your weekly contracts

[strong gulch]

Whatever your overlay button is. Do it in the mounringstar. Same screen that shows your contracts. There will be a prompt to cycle what's being tracked.

[long wharf]

and any penances you have bookmarked

[deft stump]

But Clad, it gives me FNP stacks back when I push blonk.

I have hilarious amounts of toughness replendishment if I can push blonk.

[long wharf]

blonk like a true ogryn

[deft stump]

@plucky flax Also, you said a 76 spread was rare? I found out I had that on my oggy.

I also have a bully club with the same.

[long wharf]

but why?

[strong gulch]

See. Am not the only one.

Low investment.

[long wharf]

there are very few weapons in the game that don't have a genuine dump stat

[deft stump]

More like, I never clear my inventory.

So hurp.

[long wharf]

ew

how do you find anything?

[deft stump]

Everything good is faved and 500.

XD

[strong gulch]

Little inventory to clean up if you don't invest in a character.

[long wharf]

I dislike seeing junk in my inventory

[blissful solar]

my inventory is 99% junk

[ripe obsidian]

So with this new radio enemy, he just fucks off and spawns specials for the rest of the map?

[long wharf]

he doesn't fuck off, you want to kill him

[ripe obsidian]

Snipers and trappers, it seems

Well, obviously I want to kill him

But I can't if he hides in the walls

[long wharf]

just stab him through the walls

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/hes-in-the-walls-in-the-walls-wall-muppet-panicking-gif-27546618

[ripe obsidian]

This seems to be a similar problem to mine

[jovial juniper]

Fun fact
DD marks him

[ripe obsidian]

Neat

He is quite rude

Also he seems to cause the game to crash more often. Crashed 3x in my last mission after he showed up

[long wharf]

there have been a lot of crashes lately

I haven't heard of there being a correlation with the vox operator spawning, though

[ripe obsidian]

Eh, it could be unrelated. I just choose to blame him

[young cliff]

can i ask what blessings are good for shotguns on a psyker?

[long wharf]

sure

[verbal thistle]

which one?

[young cliff]

Agri, accat and double-barrel

[verbal thistle]

for combat, Full bore no respite

Dbarrel is the reload when using both barrels

and I forgt 2nd belssing

[young cliff]

those blessings for both Agri and Accat?

[verbal thistle]

slug one yes

unsure if it fits well for the other

[long wharf]

shotguns are extremely meh for psyker use

[verbal thistle]

really good when I use Taxe

[young cliff]

yeah, have been using Bistol better, I just want to have one build once the ObeseFish decides to buff them

[verbal thistle]

slug on Combat shotgun will open bulwark

[young cliff]

yeah, but my experience fromdoing the same with any of the Force swords, that sometimes is not the solution to the Plasteel wall

[hoary halo]

Down to 4% eh?

[jovial juniper]

No Respite is always good

[jovial juniper]

Except on Vigilants
They have better blessings there

[strange wyvern]

Considering every other enemy is an elite or specialist gains are gains

[hoary halo]

Well it used to be 5% why drop it 1%?

[strange wyvern]

I dunno

[long wharf]

"balance"

[jovial juniper]

Balance bro

Can't be 5

Too broken

[hoary halo]

Lols

[strange wyvern]

was getting 3 seconds off of 60 second cds
too op

[deft stump]

So you made me clean my inv... I got like a mil from all my chars. >_>

[long wharf]

3 seconds per kill

[long wharf]

don't you feel better now?

[strange wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blink-blinkingcat-cute-funny-gif-8859604814399687515

[deft stump]

Well, A mil and like 300k.

[long wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/marie-kondo-spark-joy-this-sparks-joy-this-one-sparks-joy-netflix-gif-26883533

[deft stump]

And I found many god rolls off Emperor's.

<_<

[long wharf]

now you can afford to craft more

[deft stump]

And BTW, I didn't bother selling curios yet.

Got through all melee and ranged is enough for now.

[long wharf]

it's like being told to clean your room, and when you finally do, you begrudgingly admit it was a good idea...

[deft stump]

More like, I needed money to finish cheating my way to mastery 20 for oggy.

[long wharf]

that's not cheating

that's expected mastery

[deft stump]

And not being made to use the PAUL.

[deft stump]

So i used the left over to gamble and got

After maxing out Paul.

[zinc phoenix]

Hoard those

They’re going to rework curios at some point

Currently curios only give a small amount of cash like weapons used to

Likely they will refund mats in future

My curio list chugs pretty hard at this point I have so many 😂

[deft stump]

Well, i got too lazy after cleaning my Vet. >_>

I gambled as said all the dockets and got that Ripper.

Waiting for Kerfus to be on to pester if it's good or not.

[dull scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/yum-delicious-fine-damn-dayum-gif-17492499

[stable halo]

Just got back some sick art of my psyker ❤️

[long wharf]

pretty nice

the hand on the grip of the sword almost looks like it's from in-game

with a little touching-up

[stable halo]

yeah we took a lot of in game ref pics

also have this one from awhile ago from Psyker (the player)

[lyric radish]

after trying 4 classes i think psyker is the most fun

[long wharf]

I agree

though there is something to be said for slapping every enemy into submission as an ogryn

[fiery stratus]

face napkin hard or naw?

oops wc

[long wharf]

looks pretty soft to me

[fiery stratus]

still stands

could be crusty from dried nurgle vomit

[long wharf]

very likely

[rough jay]

whats the best dual sword for popping heads

[gusty warren]

What does empathetic dodge do?

Like is it supposed to trigger other perks that activate when dodging ranged?

[ripe obsidian]

DSIV is the most common. Heavy attack is good.

I think DSV has better horde clear? Not sure.

[ripe obsidian]

Empathic evasion?

[gusty warren]

Ah yes that one

[ripe obsidian]

If so, empathic evasion means ranged attacks don't hit you

[gusty warren]

Damn

[ripe obsidian]

You dodge them for 1 second

[gusty warren]

So just straight up range immunity?

[ripe obsidian]

Yes

[gusty warren]

For 1 sec

[jovial juniper]

*DS2

[ripe obsidian]

It is quite good if you crit a lot.

[gusty warren]

Everything from gunfire to webs

[ripe obsidian]

Hence my not sure-ness

[ripe obsidian]

Prrrrrrobably not webs.

[gusty warren]

On sustained fire of warp nexus inferno I am pretty much immune to ranged attacks

[ripe obsidian]

Until you aren't, then you get sad.

~30% crit rate with that setup. Sometimes it goes down. Then you get hurt

[gusty warren]

Yeah not something you can just fire and forget

But still damn

[torn kernel]

Ranged immunity 1/3rd of the time is still decent lol

Unreliable, but decent

[prime elk]

EE is very good

[ripe obsidian]

I'm not disagreeing

[gusty warren]

Can be used in combination with manual dodges

[ripe obsidian]

I use EE on my H40 builds. It is good.

[rich spindle]

Tried full defensive ds5 with stam and block eff pretty good in havoc until your ogryn dies and you have to 1v1 a crusher for 10 sec

[torn kernel]

Take a deimos and knock it on its ass lmao

[rich spindle]

Great idea

[torn kernel]

I believe in deimos h2 supremacy

[ripe obsidian]

I do not enjoy searching for radios, even with the mods to highlight them

[rich spindle]

Yeah that mode is really boring

[torn kernel]

They're just grims with an extra minigame

[gusty warren]

So psyker are really good against ranged attack, with the dodge and the force sword just negating them…..

[torn kernel]

Thank fuck it only takes like 7 matches

[tired estuary]

"only" 7 matches of normal aurics

nah lmao

[fading shoal]

but realistically only 2 out of 3 are found

[tired estuary]

I got long covid after 2

[torn kernel]

Y'all did it in aurics?

[fading shoal]

[tired estuary]

lmk when I can do it on havoc or at least mael idk

[torn kernel]

Take a knife zealot and speedrun malice lmao

[tired estuary]

zzzzzzz

I'm gonna go speedrun having fun instead

[torn kernel]

Boring, sure, but at least it's over quick

Fair

[fading shoal]

https://i.imgur.com/OxfiwuK.png

💀

How long before this penance is completed?

[verbal thistle]

2

[torn kernel]

that one goes surprisingly quick ngl

yeah 2 or 3 missions if you're not a pussy

[fading shoal]

oh nice

[torn kernel]

elite spam is real

[fading shoal]

hi-intensity troop gauntlet my old friend

[lyric radish]

well i don't know when did i complete that penance

must be busying dodging all bs that director throw to me during high inten match

f. 2-3 instant flamer spawn at the back along with trapper during horde of chaff

[deft stump]

Well... When I play with ppl, it's always 300-400 ping Auric Damns.

[torn kernel]

qp spawned me into a burster conga

thanks shartfark

[deft stump]

It's starting to get to the point I look as if I'm playing with normal ping except doggos are extra sus.

You never want to play after all.

When h1 spam?

[fading shoal]

just realized pox hound modifier + assail spam will make overwhelming presence penance a cakewalk

[deft stump]

It's more specials after all.

[amber vault]

hey guys whats the best blessings and perks for great force sword?

[nocturne dust]

carapace, unyielding, blessings are less important

Normal is wrath/riposte but you can mix it up a lot

just don't take warp slice/blazing spirit/murderous tranquility

[amber vault]

not the regular gforce sword, you are talking about the big one right?

[nocturne dust]

yes

there is only one force greatsword

the normal force swords are small and not great

[plush compass]

Hey everyone. Started playing this game yesterday and running psyker because it looks cool. Any advice for a new psyker and advice on what I should be building towards

[nocturne dust]

If you want levelling to be easy, run assail

Psyker is hard to level and their builds aren't really good until fully completed

If you want examples of full builds, check pins for staff builds.

[plush compass]

Okay. Ty mate

[plush compass]

From the pins, any recommendations?

[nocturne dust]

In order of easiest to play: Inferno, Trauma, Electrokinetic, Voidstrike

In order of safest to play: Trauma, Inferno, Electrokinetic, Voidstrike

In order of META (High Havoc): Inferno, Trauma, Electrokinetic, Voidstrike

In order of META (Auric): Electrokinetic, Trauma, Inferno, Voidstrike

[plucky flax]

Servo fren mod is way too based. 😊

[nocturne dust]

none of the staves are bad, try them all and see which you like

[verbal thistle]

you dont even need to use staves

[nocturne dust]

Voidstrike is just... es dificil

[plucky flax]

Meta high havoc is bubble knight btw.

[nocturne dust]

Shush you people

They're a psyker newbie, introduce them to psyker playstyles

not discount zealot and not vet at home

but yes, gunker/meleeker exists.

[plush compass]

I've seen people wanting their pskyers to "go bubble" instead of what they are currently running which always seems to be lightning, what is bubble and why does everyone want their psyker to run it ?

[mental rock]

gun psyker makes the vet, vet at home

[nocturne dust]

I feel like it's still not meta even if what you say about the damage is true due to the high chance of exploding into bloody paste

meta includes reliability/safety

[plucky flax]

It's only for havoc. In normal mode it's not needed.

But it's a very safe and defensive ability. Of course it can work in normal mode too.

[nocturne dust]

Bubble is the center ability (and its left side nodes)

[plucky flax]

But shooters are not very threatening there.

[mental rock]

bubble is the shield ability with the dome upgrade. people like their psyker to run it because it feels nice to have

[plucky flax]

No it's not there are not many melee psyker in havoc.

[nocturne dust]

It spawns a temporary bubble that prevents ranged attack inside it (ranged attacks will not enter and cannot spawn inside it)

[nocturne dust]

What does popularity have to do with it?

[plucky flax]

But it's based and make the team work harder for the W.

[plucky flax]

You say it's not meta?

[plush compass]

Ah but if you are a psyker I take it this is the let's say "boring option" as it's a purely defensive ability ?

[nocturne dust]

Be forewarned, bubble can take ranged damage and has a short invulnerability period

[plucky flax]

Meta = many ppl use it.

[nocturne dust]

no

[plucky flax]

You can play aggressive with it too.

[nocturne dust]

META literally stands for most effective tactic available

popularity irrelevant

[mental rock]

meta=most effective tactic available

[plucky flax]

Yeah and because it's most effective people run it more.

Bruh

[nocturne dust]

People don't always run meta. I thought pubs made that clear

[plucky flax]

99% psykers in havoc run the boring burga build.

[nocturne dust]

sure

[plush compass]

But it's non damaging?

[plucky flax]

I'm one of the odd ducks that people start to recognise me more now.

They're like 'agent are you going to run bubble knight' I'm like hell yes

[nocturne dust]

If you put it over ranged enemies, all they have is their kick

Meaning you can put bubble out in front of you to advance

[nocturne dust]

I'm confused

You said bubble knight is meta

but you also say meta is popularity

and that nobody runs bubble knight but you

[plush compass]

Ah okay I can see why people want us to run it

[nocturne dust]

[plucky flax]

I've seen 2 other ppl use bubble knight.

Pretty meta.

[nocturne dust]

It's a very useful ability.

[plucky flax]

Syllo is 1 of them cos I told him to.

[plush compass]

But in terms of a fun/viable build the lightning one seems the way to go?

[nocturne dust]

You should run Scrier's EK

Then I can get potato to do it too

[plucky flax]

There are at least 3 bubble knights on eu server.

[nocturne dust]

then it is meta

[plucky flax]

I would if quell cancel was still a thing.

[nocturne dust]

Viable yes, fun... highly controversial.

[plush compass]

Wouldn't be fun if it wasn't controversial 🙂

[nocturne dust]

Did you see my thing about being able to never stop using EK with it?

[nocturne dust]

Them's heretical words

[plush compass]

I will hand myself into the inquisition

[plucky flax]

No?

[nocturne dust]

Well we are the inquisition

so who inquisits the inquisition

[plush compass]

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

[nocturne dust]

https://youtu.be/cW5ymkY8sco

With CDR on curios and warp siphon (no battery, no aura), you can literally not explode as long as you press the ability button continually

Infinite EK

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/embed-no-no-embed-megamind-megamind-meme-gif-25261934

[plucky flax]

No horde clear without creeping flames.

[nocturne dust]

I mean

I run assail with it

Psykinetics unneeded

[plush compass]

Right just so I'm sure.

The bubble ability seems to be very strong/useful for obvious reasons but for leveling I should use the Assail which is the throwy things ? And I could run this with any staff but something like Inferno is strong ?

[nocturne dust]

You could take bubble and assail, assail is a blitz

Assail is the throwy homing rocks, yes

and it can go with any staff, yes

Inferno and Trauma are more build-agnostic and tend to just work (Inferno especially)

[plush compass]

Okay so I can focus on gaining mastery on Inferno

[nocturne dust]

Yes. I recommend focusing on getting Blaze Away for Inferno ASAP, Blaze Away is by far its best blessing

is literally free 40% extra damage

[plush compass]

Would it be a waste of time running bubble whilst I'm such low level as the difficulty is quite easy atm ?

[nocturne dust]

Yes, also bubble tends to build bad habits

I would say you should try to run at least damnation before you touch bubble, and it would probably be better if you clear auric dam without it

[weary idol]

the same people who ask for buble are the same people who will go down to 2 or 3 basic ranged enemies the instant it's down

they ask for bubble because they never learned how to play without it

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-ben-kenobi-of-course-i-know-them-theyre-me-gif-25185969

[plush compass]

Good tip ty

[summer prairie]

After playing only the bubble knight build for a few weeks, I think it's good damage but maybe not when it counts

[nocturne dust]

Me running around and getting instantly downed by a spot of lag is why I run bubble

Havoc scary 😰

[plush compass]

When do i get my first staff

Hasn't shown up in my little shop yet

[nocturne dust]

I think you unlock Voidblast (Trauma) first?

which funnily enough, is the weakest at low levels

[plush compass]

Ah jolly good

[nocturne dust]

It's like lvl 5 or something iirc

[plush compass]

Ah okay

[karmic temple]

better off running a gun and force sword til you reach a better staff

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, I'd not touch staves for a while. They sadly scale pretty hard, so at lower levels they can feel like crap. Exceptions being Inferno and Voidstrike (but Voidstrike is weaker than the other staves so it scales less )

[karmic temple]

yea most swords do great early psyker and guns are just need for range

[nocturne dust]

Voidstrike is really just a gun in disguise

[karmic temple]

also true

[nocturne dust]

Literally worse but infinite ammo plasma

[plush compass]

Okay well this has been very helpful ty so much.

[nocturne dust]

[final sundial]

Does blaze away affect soulblaze damage ticks ?

[nocturne dust]

while it's active, yes

You also need the weapon out iirc

[plush compass]

I've been watching a few videos and I've seen people do a attack i don't know how to do. It's with their blaze sword, they send out a sort of shock wave arc ?

[wraith sphinx]

It's the greatsword special attack

[plush compass]

Oh ok, I thought it was blaze

[wraith sphinx]

So what you want to do is kill enemies with the great sword until one or both bars next to your crosshair fill up

Then aim at a horde, press special action button and LMB

The special attack costs like 30% peril to do

[plucky flax]

https://tenor.com/view/moonlight-ludwig-bloodborne-gif-21829853

[wraith sphinx]

Just avoid doing it when you have no charges, I think the uncharged special just applies light stagger and nothing else?

[ripe obsidian]

You were by my side all along

Man, I have not been having a lot of fun with Darktide lately. I'm kinda sad about that.

[fading shoal]

Are there any talent nodes that should be taken with dueling sword no matter what the build type is?

[plush compass]

Ah ty.

[wraith sphinx]

Lightning speed and by crack of bone. But I'd recommend taking those regardless of build anyway

[ripe obsidian]

It's enough stagger to stop a rager combo, I believe. Or at least stagger a non-comboing rager. It's a useful tool

[wraith sphinx]

bit slow and peril hungry though

[ripe obsidian]

This is not very good advice.

Those talents are good for right-side Psyker, but pairing them with DS is whatever

Tbh I only use Crack of Bone on my meleeker. Lots of better talents for most builds. And I only use Lightning Speed to get to Warp Splitting otherwise

[deft stump]

Unless puncture Bistol.

[wraith sphinx]

Idk I believe having the option to defend yourself and quell peril at the same time is great

[deft stump]

Free... well peril cost 4 stacks of bleed on everything that wave hits.

[spark bough]

preferred staff?

[wraith sphinx]

I personally like surge staff the most, I use it with assail usually

[spark bough]

awesome

i was wondering how good assail was

i liked the surge staff too and the inferno staff

[wraith sphinx]

Assail is a grear blitz, if not the best

Lot of talents that boost its damage, good vs both single targets and hordes

[ripe obsidian]

Assail is fine. It costs you Psykinetic Aura, which sucks

Inferno > Voidblast > Surge > Voidstrike in terms of power imo. Voidstrike is still my favorite.

[plucky flax]

[ripe obsidian]

You can defend yourself and quell peril anyway by pulling out melee. But if you're in a position where you have no choice but to melee on a ranged build, you've likely positioned poorly as psyker.

[wraith sphinx]

It's not that bad. Assail's flexibility vs smite makes the tradeoff very much worth it. You always have access to seer's presence aura if you're hurting for ability cd that much

[ripe obsidian]

Assail is way less flexible than smite lmao

[torn kernel]

assail still staggers the shit out of everything smaller than a mutie tbf

[ripe obsidian]

Smite is OP and boring. Assail is more fun. But smite is better.

I like assail. I use it on non-Havoc 30+ builds. I never use smite.

But it's silly to say assail is better.

Anyway, the full-team CDR from psykinetic's aura is amazing.

[wraith sphinx]

I did not say assail was better though

If you could get psykinetic w assail then you could MAYBE argue that

But both blitzes are good, smite gets hated on because of smyker stereotyping

[ripe obsidian]

Smite is just boring to play

[wraith sphinx]

Smite is best enjoyed in moderation

On my own gunker smite build I run smite for charged strike and enfeeble really

[ripe obsidian]

I'm locked into BB+KF because Assail is too weak for H40 (or at least, I am not good enough to use it) and I don't want to pick smite.

So I make heads pop

[wraith sphinx]

That's also a great combo

[spark bough]

i’m still kinda new to this game and i’ve been using BB and spamming it after using my abiltiy

[wraith sphinx]

Look I'm not knocking on anything here, you have more experience with havoc builds than I do, I haven't been able to get past the h21 filter on my psyker

[spark bough]

should i be using other things?😅

[wraith sphinx]

Nah keep using bb if you want

[ripe obsidian]

Use what's fun for you

[spark bough]

i hope it’s not trolling cause i thought i was doing some good damage 😅

[plucky flax]

It's not too weak it can kill chaffs in 1 shot. You can do it.

[spark bough]

and helping my team out a lot with bulwarks and such

[plucky flax]

Just no psykenetic aura so teammates might cry.

[wraith sphinx]

If you want to experiment with other loadouts just remember you dont have to wipe your existing talent tree, you can create multiple loadouts by pressing the small + in the top right

[ripe obsidian]

But I am trash

[plucky flax]

No don't put yourself down.

[spark bough]

ah, thank you! i’ll be trying this tomorrow :>

[wraith sphinx]

Np enjoy

[ripe obsidian]

I went from winning H40 consistently to struggling in Auric Maelstrom in the course of like a week. I am Bad currently.

Hopefully I will become Good again in another week. Maybe my brain is fried. New job and all.

[plucky flax]

Tbf teammates are pretty bad these days both normal and havoc.

[wraith sphinx]

Are you playing pubs?

[plucky flax]

A good team is really good.

But often there's 1 guy kind of lagging behind the others hard.

[plush compass]

What's BB?

[wraith sphinx]

Brain Burst

[plush compass]

Ty. Is BB good on the higher diffs because I think it's such a cool ability I just struggle to see how it would be viable once the game gets harder?

[wraith sphinx]

Yesterday I was stuck duoing an auric damnation mission with the ogryn because we rotated 6 terrible players and borderline griefers in the other 2 slots

[plucky flax]

Good practice.

[ripe obsidian]

Pubs for all games, yes. Havoc, auric, everything

[wraith sphinx]

First pair aggros a dh then immediately quits so the dh ended up aggroing on the ogryn, then we almost got wiped at the water cartel bridge because a latejoiner rando rushed ahead and pushed the elevator button while we were still crossing it

Then him and a zealot kept dying in melee and in the end we lost because I misclicked and overloaded myself during the water purifier finale 😦

[ripe obsidian]

I'm doing silly stuff like mistiming crusher overheads or dodging into nets. Just dumb mistakes.

[wraith sphinx]

Same

But if you're doing pubs only then strongly consider that you're fine and your teammates are trash

Because weekendtiders are usually pretty bad

[ripe obsidian]

Havoc is also totally dead lately, which is a shame. I guess the good players largely have premades now

[wraith sphinx]

Had to block another player yesterday for the first time ever too. Dude kept getting split off pulling and aggroing everything under the sun and dying instantly, then sent me an invite later in the hub. Actual griefer

[wraith sphinx]

There's a surge of activity when new parameters drop then it sharply drops off. Havoc is just tiring to play and pretty inaccesible

I can stomach playing maybe 2-3 havocs a day, then I join a pub party if it's a 15-20 rank mission or go back to playing aurics

[ripe obsidian]

I like H40 if the team is good. It's the most fun game mode for me. Auric feels kinda boring most of the time, no real threat unless I do something dumb, and <35 havoc is a shitshow

Even if I can only consistently do well on H40 with like 2-3 builds

[plucky flax]

It's alive in EU at least.

[ripe obsidian]

NA has like 1-2 missions on the board at most whenever I look

And usually they're <=25

[plucky flax]

Might have to self host.

A lot of lurkers.

[dull scroll]

depends on which NA region, West is a lot less active, East is very active similar to EU

also has to be prime time, degen hours you won't see a lot lobbies

[marble crater]

Wonder if East is more active because all the nightowls from EU play there as well

[wraith sphinx]

Sometimes but I avoid doing it because US East connection is terrible

[dull scroll]

more like because of picrel 😒

West dead region irl

[marble crater]

East is usually fine for me, west on the other hand is unplayable

[wraith sphinx]

last time I was night owling I found people queuing up on eu until 5 am when I went to sleep

not on damnation though

[marble crater]

That works too if EU has enough people who refuse to sleep

[plucky flax]

Florida best state?

[wraith sphinx]

I think I tried asia too but it was very dead

maybe next time

[plucky flax]

You can play with Karien and hear her panic voice.

(rip ears)

[wraith sphinx]

real

[weary crane]

Does souldrinker still not proc while active?

[marble crater]

Souldrinker is still bad, yea

[wraith sphinx]

oh I just remembered a question I've been meaning to ask here

Would dropping both assail subnodes for something else be worth it?

[marble crater]

Most likely, depends what you pick and how much you use Assail

If you use Assail you might already have Warpsplitting, so the extra target is not useful to begin with and the recharge depens on how spammy you are

[wraith sphinx]

on my gunker assail build I use assail to start a hordeclear combo (to take advantage of malefic momentum) and to dispatch shooters gunners and snipers (my actual gun I reserve for ogryns and monsters)

[marble crater]

Do you already have Warpsplitting and do you always have enough Assail charges? If yes drop the nodes and see if you still have enough charges

[wraith sphinx]

I don't have warpsplitting currently, should I just ethereal shards for it?

or could I get away with zero extra cleave for assail

[marble crater]

Try, warpsplitting is more extra targets than the assail node

[wraith sphinx]

also, unrelated to this, one with the warp's minimum bonus is always active even on zero peril?

[wraith sphinx]

er that's warp rider, I'm asking about one with the warp 😅

[weary idol]

oh

[wraith sphinx]

awesome thank you

[marble crater]

Imagine we had those details in the game by default

Give some of those mod authors a bunch of aquilas and then put the mods into the game already

[wraith sphinx]

mm yeah I don't feel confident enough in my assail spam control to drop quick shards, gonna keep that subnode

[zinc phoenix]

Why? They can just credit their idea and put it in the game

Or not even do that

[marble crater]

Because it doesn't really cost them anything and would be the moral thing to do

[wraith sphinx]

trying to figure out this toughness reduction shit kinda tough, and I don't want to drop anticipation

[upper sun]

they should just credit vt2 devs since every other mod was a feature in vt2

[zinc phoenix]

I mean i get much more consequential PRs than this on my OSS and the only thing those people get is credit in the commit history and me supporting their changes going forward

[marble crater]

Okay

[tough vine]

TDR is not that worth, because you get 20 witgh the small nodes andd then the rest is multiplicative. so it means with Scrier Gaze +20% you only get +4% (that's assuming you pick every TDR node) and then with OWTW you get between +2% to +7%. for a grand total of 31% TDR ? meh, too expensive for the effect.

[plucky flax]

A lot of vt2 mods got intergrated into the game.

Like chat block iirc.

Yet when dt release they just don't include chat block. Xd

Swedish fish.

[zinc phoenix]

Multiplicative vs additive modifier should really be declared in tooltips, I’m never taking that toughness node again.

I thought it was a +10% node like the minor nodes are +5%

[wraith sphinx]

would I be better off dropping these two and taking soulstealer and wapr expenditure instead?

[marble crater]

Warp Expen is not worth

All they have to do is write "Increases TDR by 10%" instead of "+10%" fixed

[wraith sphinx]

I'm trying to figure out what else can I do to be able to keep my tougness up for at least half a second longer in havoc and I'm running out of ideas

and I don't want to use scriers' endurance, I want something constant

[marble crater]

Maybe show the complete build

[tough vine]

It shouldn't be multiplicative. they should be additive. You have to activate your Ability and be at Maximum Peril to get a +53% TDR. It makes you a tank for a small duration I really don't think it's too much.

[wraith sphinx]

right give me a sec to slap it together on gameslantern

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ec65923-24ea-43a2-ab3c-a78b2690bc4a/my-gun-psyker-wassail

[tough vine]

you don't take the 100% cleave depending on peril 😦

[marble crater]

Yeah drop those two and get Soulstealer and Warp Splitting, imo

[wraith sphinx]

Which two?

[marble crater]

These

[zinc phoenix]

Dump anticipation too imo

It’s pretty high cost for one dodge

[wraith sphinx]

But it improves dodges in general too, does it not

[tough vine]

Anticipation is nice though

[weary idol]

it also makes psyker have normal dodges

rather than their normal worse dodges

[zinc phoenix]

I’ve never noticed needing it personally and I play a ton of meleeker

And illsi dodges aren’t nearly as bad as fgs

[wraith sphinx]

Also I used to use a health curio, I think swapping it for a toughness curio is a better solution for my toughness problem

Kind of stupid I didn't think of that sooner

[tough vine]

Something like that could work, but it implies heavy use of assail 🙂

[wraith sphinx]

I rely on mettle and quietude to regen my toughness the most, but I want more

[zinc phoenix]

Giving up quietude is a non starter imo

One of the best toughness gen traits in the game

[tough vine]

@zinc phoenix yeah I swapped anticipation for quietude. it was my bad there

[plucky flax]

Anticipation helps me on my bubble knight build.

[tough vine]

but bubble knigt has the bubble to regen toughness 🙂

[plucky flax]

Yeah but bubble also dies in 5s.

Veri sad.

[zinc phoenix]

I don’t remember seeing it on there

[plucky flax]

I do have it yeah. Won't be needed for normal mode tho

[zinc phoenix]

I will check again and try it, maybe it’s better than I think

[plucky flax]

Things die so fast with gs there.

It's the extended lingering effect too it helps against shooters in havoc.

[tough vine]

I'm playing bubble knight mainly since I saw it, I only play on the street near my home though... because you forbade it at home 😦

[wraith sphinx]

Yeah it really looks like you need every edge you can wrt toughness and dodging so you don't get ended by a random shooter nobody noticed

[plucky flax]

Good man! It's too dangerous to do it at home.

[zinc phoenix]

Does it count for empathic evasion dodges?

[plucky flax]

Don't think so cos ee has its own timer.

[zinc phoenix]

😢

I would love to be functionally invulnerable to ranged thru crit spam

[wraith sphinx]

Yeah ee is its own thing independent of dodges

Or at least that's my interpretation since its tooltip says you count as dodging which means it'd be a dodge-like effect rather than actual dodge

[plucky flax]

Well you still get ee from melee crit.

But I don't think the extra dodge timing from anticipation carries over to ee 'dodge'.

[wraith sphinx]

So effectively you get ranged attack immunity for that 1 s

Unless fatshark fucked up description I think it's pretty clear that ee gives you a fake dodge

[tough vine]

FatShark messing up a tooltip ? NO WAY :(((

[zinc phoenix]

He says literal minutes after a discussion of how FS screwed up a trait description by failing to mention it was multiplicative rather than additive

[wraith sphinx]

[torn kernel]

Oh speaking of EE

Does it trigger riposte/precog?

[wraith sphinx]

I don't understand

Those two blessings just give extra crit chance when conditions are met

[marble crater]

The condition being dodging, but no it doesn't trigger them

[wraith sphinx]

Ohh right

Yeah it does not

As mentioned ee dodges aren't actually dodges

[marble crater]

Yeah that would be OP

[torn kernel]

[torn kernel]

Well yea but you can't trust fatshark jank

[wraith sphinx]

If it were an actual dodge the tooltip would read A critical hit makes you Dodge ranged attacks for 1 s

[hardy coral]

i hope the... "Aaahhhh" sound the radio operators make is a place holder.

[wraith sphinx]

This is pretty much on the same level as standard tabletop lingo so at least there's not a lot of room for confusion

[torn kernel]

fair nuff

[wraith sphinx]

Iirc there are a ton of little rules in 40k tabletops where x makes y count as z

[torn kernel]

only question would be
does "count as x" = valid for y
when y triggers if x=true

[wraith sphinx]

No because to my knowledge describing x as "counting as" means that none of the related features or effects of x are applicable unless explicitly stated to be so