psyker-class

[wraith sphinx]

Otherwise I just drop dead at around 1 am

[drifting steeple]

this is a very stupid question

but has the empyric shock inferno bug been fixed?

i know its in the patch notes but they may have failed

[nocturne dust]

I honestly haven't checked

[plucky flax]

Ye

[marble crater]

It is called Night City after all

[wraith sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[upper sun]

was there a patch?

[wraith sphinx]

No I just bought it on previous sale

Pretty sure cdpr is done with the patching

[upper sun]

i meant with dt

[marble crater]

Not since the last hotfix

[wraith sphinx]

Ouh

Yeah no patch just the event

[patent mango]

did anyone post all new voicelines yet

[marble crater]

We have new voicelines?

[patent mango]

radio

[marble crater]

Ah like the lore voicelines?

[patent mango]

hungy for the lore

[marble crater]

It's the skulls all over again

[patent mango]

lol

[plucky flax]

Tried to join 2 40 and 1 29. Only the 29 group accepted me. If you don't accept my at my worst you don't deserve me at my best. 😤

Bubble knight gaming.

[deft stump]

Power lvl my GF while teaching her how to bubble knight.

She wants your build btw.

_>

Nags me on how the FGS with bubble.

[leaden mulch]

anyone got good build for smite scriers?

[deft stump]

I'm literally just spamming

[wraith sphinx]

Yes but with the caveat you barely actually smite 🙂

Interested?

[wooden sand]

Why do you want to use smite and scriers anyways?

It doesn't seem right

[leaden mulch]

I decide to try it because lately psyker seem super weak in havoc 40
bubble can barely keep up with the gunner spawn only 2-3 sec before breaking
and psyker boss damage is shit, so I am trying to play smite scriers

[wraith sphinx]

You want to smyker on h40?

[wooden sand]

But why smite scriers

Why not just normal smite build

[wraith sphinx]

I mean it's a reasonable combo if you don't actually smite

[wooden sand]

It can't be that many gunners to destroy your bubble

[quartz barn]

"Psyker seems weak in h40"

picks weakest setup

[wraith sphinx]

I can't speak to my own build being havoc 40 good since the best I did so far was h20

But here

[leaden mulch]

because I want to use warp unbound for extend 10 sec + 10% rending above 75 peril

[weary idol]

psyker boss damage is shit?

this man has never played gun psyker

[plucky flax]

Spam left click then special

[wraith sphinx]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9eba29fe-cd4c-4efb-b6bf-7c245aa8ee05/my-gun-psyker-wsmite-revised

[quartz barn]

Buying gf

[wooden sand]

[quartz barn]

^

[wooden sand]

Yes I saw that

Still sounds weird

[quartz barn]

Smh imagine not knowing the classics

[wooden sand]

The classics are dead

[quartz barn]

Actually runescape got revived last week

New jagex game

[upper sun]

is the event supposed to have extra spawns?

i dont see it

[summer prairie]

it doesn't

except when you do the minigame you spawn 2 maulers, 1 trapper and the radio operator

[leaden mulch]

I know how good is gun psyker, but not in havoc 40 where ammo is scarce

[weary idol]

you know gun psyker melees things 90% of the time right

you don't actually use your gun that often

gun psyker is effectively just martyrdom zealot with no holy revenant, and already at 1 wound

all the damage, no health

[wraith sphinx]

And a wallhack-less volley fire that works on every enemy

But yeah gun psyker might as well just be called meleeker at this point

[leaden mulch]

at that point it's better to use zealot or vet

[patent mango]

meleeker has more build variety than zealot tree by now

[deft stump]

YES?

[wraith sphinx]

Meleeker also has the kinetic deflection edge

Shortest stam regen delay too iirc

Force sword push attacks are great cc too and so on

So no playing vet and zealot for melee isn't strictly better

[drifting steeple]

:(

[misty ferry]

Today I'll start playing Psyker, wish me luck

New character ready to go

[marble crater]

Good luck, leveling psyker is painful

[prime elk]

just use assail

[wraith sphinx]

And don't neglect melee

If some trash mob is about to poke you, 1 + RMB immediately

[strong gulch]

I should try doing it the legitimate way. No empowering or consecrating until 30.

[wraith sphinx]

Just by doing this you will already be better than the average heresy psyker

[cloud night]

Deimos + assail = ez levelling

Until you get a ds obvi

[proper charm]

is the greatsword any good? It just looks so cool

[drifting steeple]

yes'

[wraith sphinx]

Yes

[marble crater]

You already have 20 psykers

[mortal karma]

I'm using bubble again (for real this time, after the 150k damage penance I got so tired of it I didn't use it for the longest time).
But on my momma
Are the other classes just allergic to the bubble? Whenever I use it the only ones that actually step into it are me and whatever other psyker is on the team.
At first I thought, okay, must be a mistake from my end, bad placement, right?
But I've seen people literally just dodge out of it; in open clearings, while we were being actively shot at, about a dozen times now.

[quartz barn]

Greatsword is prob the highest dps sword in the game unless you see the single phammer oneshot setup as dps

[strong gulch]

This is normal.

Also congrats on red name

[wraith sphinx]

If they dont wanna use the bubble that's on them. Don't sweat it.

[mortal karma]

RED NAME 🗣️

[mortal karma]

Fair enough actually.

[late sapphire]

I generally leave the bubble when im not a squishy psyker because (a) i don't need it and (b) the visual distortion is annoying

[frail wharf]

nah if you dont stay in the bubble i dont fw you

i made that for you to be safe

[weary idol]

I don't stay in the bubble because frankly I'm much more fond of removing problems than delaying them for ~10 seconds

I say as an advocate for smoke grenades which delays ranged enemies for 30 seconds

[mortal karma]

Though I feel like
A good chunk of people who are bubble-avoiders
Do so because they haven't played Psyker and they just think it's a barrier, they don't know about the toughness regen.

[wraith sphinx]

Yeah I'm not gonna stay in the bubble if I don't actuallx need it ydig

[blissful solar]

presumably they jump out to avoid the visual distortion

[strong gulch]

If it's really dangerous, I'll go in the bubble. Otherwise I'm running around.

[late sapphire]

You can try putting the bubble where the enemies are

Gunner fire and such gets blocked even if the gunners are in the bubble

[quartz barn]

this is the way

use bubble to close the gap

[frail wharf]

i say this mostly because its auric but in havoc i swear no one leaves that bubble

[quartz barn]

if you run EE rely on that while bubble is down

[mortal karma]

I'm not even gonna deny that a solid 60% of bubble casts are like a big accomplish nothing for 25 seconds.

[quartz barn]

• bubble helps to block specials while you deal with crushers etc

[late sapphire]

Well, in havoc one shooter volley kills you instantly

in auric mael they barely tickle

[quartz barn]

also just run bubble with warp charges for havoc

[mortal karma]

I should perform a pagan ritual so that Fatshark gives the electric stun to the bubble instead of the barrier.
**WELCOME, TO THE THUNDERRRRRDOOOOOME🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️ **

[quartz barn]

solo bubble without kills = 7 seconds without bubble uptime

but if you get special kills you can easily have 2 up at the same time and path with them

or use them to protect the other bubble so it doesnt get shot down

also bubble already has the stun if you dodge

[mortal karma]

Alas alas
At the end of the day
I just suck at the videogæm

[wraith sphinx]

I didn't hear no bell sibling

Keep playing and you'll get better 💪

[upper sun]

everything maelstrom is up

[plucky flax]

Same

Lost 5 games in a row

[upper sun]

i have a bad feeling about my team bros........

[summer prairie]

my maps too hard

[mortal karma]

After close to 200 hours I can definitely see some changes.
That is, I complain (inside of my head) about people dying way more than I die myself.

[strange wyvern]

Run shriek instead so a solid 100% are useless bubbles (because you have no bubbles)

[mortal karma]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-gif-21355539

All roads eventually lead back to venting shriek-bb build.

God that's fun though, with the soulblaze stacks and all.

Wait how tf do we have a mutual friend I just checked.

[strange wyvern]

Magic

[marble crater]

Demoted to top 5%

[strange wyvern]

Condemned to using public matchmaking for havok, where you must accept randoms regardless of qualification

[mortal karma]

I sometimes just spend an entire day joining newcommer havoc assignments, like level 5 and below.
Because I want the havoc headgear.

[quartz barn]

this isnt as bad as it sounds

source: I did this for most of my havoc runs

only cursed area is 30-35 because you're too bad to be joining the 35 - 40 crew and you only get <25 clearance pubs who suck ass

[upper sun]

this was fucked up bros.......

[glacial vapor]

At least the heretics were tricked into killing Abbadon

[upper sun]

he was on crusade 12#

[glacial vapor]

Betrayed by Nurgle so late in the game

[deft stump]

I have Maggiemee omulatte Final Toll Rituals btw.

[wraith sphinx]

Zero practical difference to existing system

[strong gulch]

My full cup of coffee is stuck to my mug warmer. Send help.

[wraith sphinx]

Just cuts down on the waiting time to get the full party going

And being able to latejoin havocs would be awesome!!!!

[deft stump]

WHo uses plastic cups reeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[deft stump]

You used to be able to.

I joined one when someone left one before.

[strong gulch]

Not plastic. Also got it free. 🙏

[deft stump]

They changed it when they made the no demotions thing below your rank.

[wraith sphinx]

Wtf

[deft stump]

Which means if someone dislikes a comp, they can just leave and now you have to 3 man havoc.

[upper sun]

ill call the chirurgen

[wraith sphinx]

Oh my days

Whatever I'll just go back to aurics later anyway

Not worth griping about

[deft stump]

@icy breach and @weary sable even woke me up just for it. I remember.

[plucky flax]

Won first game played without syllo. It even has rampage modifier too.

[weary sable]

@deft stump

[deft stump]

Maybe Syllo was the weight holding you back... Dun dun Duh!

[plucky flax]

Must be.

[strong gulch]

Say it ain't so.

[plucky flax]

Tbh we kept having really sus vets.

[jovial juniper]

Now play Silo Cluster without Syllo

💀

[icy breach]

She do be right

[plucky flax]

Can't wait until silo cluster is in havoc pool.

Real hell.

[deft stump]

Wanna do event?

[plucky flax]

Melee damage alone more than zealot/vet's total damage. bubble knight

[marble crater]

You are promoted to top 3%

[prime elk]

Was the zealot asleep

[strong gulch]

Was it me?

[upper sun]

ok i finished darktide

i played the exact same seed twice in a row

[strong gulch]

[plucky flax]

I'm doing event in sedition.

[strong gulch]

How many times have you finished?

[upper sun]

twice

[strong gulch]

Oh right. Event.

I haven't done one of the puzzles.

[plucky flax]

There's a choir zealot in sedition wtf

[long wharf]

now you'll be safe

[strong gulch]

My partner and I get SO angy when the game does this.

[plucky flax]

I dunno maybe

[upper sun]

tbh i alt tabbed and died

[strong gulch]

Won't save me from myself.

[upper sun]

then left the game

i am not walking to extraction

i finished the scanner puzzle in seconds

all of them lmao

[long wharf]

I guess you don't have to finish the mission to get credit

[plucky flax]

Can I leave game after doing them?

😮

[upper sun]

you can altf4 i think

not leave leave

if they finish relatively quick you should still get it

regardless i dont think anyone here really needs the mats

[long wharf]

how else am I going to get to 1mil plasteel?

gotta save up for the next crafting rework

[upper sun]

lmao

i guess im gonna have to make due with 400k

[long wharf]

peasant numbers

[upper sun]

btw

kraks stagger nurgle blessed beasts right?

[long wharf]

what?

[upper sun]

if i'm vored by a green BoN and it gets kraked it should release me right?

[long wharf]

not sure, because you have to stagger Bonbon to get it to spit out whoever it swallowed

[marble crater]

If you are what

[long wharf]

don't kinkshame

[upper sun]

🤔

im sure they stagger

i need to ask the vet people

[long wharf]

then I'd expect it to spit out the eaten

[upper sun]

yeah i thought so too

but it didnt

[long wharf]

because the green are resistant to being staggered

I'm of the opinion that no monstrosity should ever be green-buffed

[upper sun]

yeah but not out right immune

[long wharf]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[plucky flax]

Anyone wanna private game 2 event maps real fast?

[long wharf]

typical FartShack not considering all the consequences of their decisions

[plucky flax]

Some of these guys are way too slow.

[long wharf]

you speed running seditions?

[plucky flax]

Just whatever map is the fastest.

[long wharf]

that'd be Magic Omelette

[plucky flax]

There's a relay station malice.

[long wharf]

assassination

since you won't see the new modifier on a train mission

[strange wyvern]

this is so sad, can we get rainbow buffed monstrosities next (they're just invincible)

[upper sun]

he can just mmt the same mission

[buoyant maple]

I think krak should still stagger a blessed BoN

[upper sun]

good enough im reporting it

maybe even if it doesnt stagger it theyll make it stagger it

(i am assuming it was nurgle blessed and my taunt removed the blessing)

i dont even know if it was blessed

[buoyant maple]

BoN does have stagger immunity window immediately after being staggered

so could be that

[buoyant maple]

ok then prob taunt triggered the stagger immunity window

[long wharf]

taunt does stagger things, yes

[buoyant maple]

and krak went off before that wore off

[long wharf]

in fact, that's largely what I use taunt for

[upper sun]

not the ult

the push taunt

[long wharf]

oh, does that stagger still?

[upper sun]

no it doesnt stagger it but it applies taunt

[wraith sphinx]

abbadon looks much better without his yeeyee cut

[slow vector]

Any bubble smite builds y'all would recommend? Gen chat told me it is 10/10 the best for psyker

[strong gulch]

Gen chat?
edit: Oh general. lol

It's not best.

If you want to play it, go for it.

Otherwise check pins for staff builds. There is a note on inferno and voidblast to make them better for havoc (hint it's basically just putting bubble on it).

[marble crater]

General chat trolls

[strong gulch]

You could try running something like this. Keep in mind that smite cannot crit, so you will have to get crits from melee and ranged for perfect timing. Or just drop those and grab KD.

Long range, crushers, and monster will be your weakness. SO take weapons to accommodate.

[marble crater]

[strong gulch]

Bubble toughness gen...

[dull scroll]

I cannot for the life of me figure out the logic behind this 🤔

[wraith sphinx]

the momentum is maleficient

[strong gulch]

Melee and smite

[wraith sphinx]

in my humble opinion MM is kind of wasted on smite, it encourages smykering

especially without charged strike

[strong gulch]

But also I am ssuming FGS

[dull scroll]

ohh okay so it's for doing that smite cancel spam thing

[strong gulch]

MM is pretty wasted tho. To be fair it's smite...

Go MM or Perfect Timing. Both are small for smite.

[thorn cedar]

I don't bother with MM unless I can consistently use both halves of the talent.

[slow vector]

Thanks!

[marble crater]

The absolute audacity of picking a talent with MOMENTUM in the name for a SMITE build

[strong gulch]

True lmao

[strange wyvern]

Wildfire better

[marble crater]

Why not pick Mind in MOTION as well

[strong gulch]

If only there was better pathing for unlucky for some

/jk

[marble crater]

Unlucky for all (in the strike team)

[strong gulch]

Especially if you go for crystalline will

I hope that I don't see those half baked bubble smite pics getting reposted. I really don't want to see it.

[marble crater]

< my will

[shadow osprey]

Wow I actually just finished my Psyker build with a very similar tree, except I went Asail not smite

[marble crater]

You see what you have done? Are you happy now?

[strong gulch]

NO

https://tenor.com/view/ugly-tears-sobbing-crying-disgusting-tears-sob-gif-15852086

[strong gulch]

congrats on penances

[wraith sphinx]

it's all a conspiracy to give you an aneurysm

[buoyant lake]

Are there any psykers here named Guy

[strong gulch]

Don't know them.

[shadow osprey]

Yeah I gotta make a second tree with BB to finish a penance I want to for the half mask

[strong gulch]

Gotcha. There's and EP BB build in the pins under inferno.

[gusty warren]

What would be a nice crowd control/survival weapon for psyker?

The popular weapons like dueling sword, dagger and force sword all seem to be single target focused

[loud creek]

Cold weapon.

[plucky flax]

Illisi?

[glacial vapor]

If you really want crowd control, run Voidblast or inferno lol

[thorn cedar]

DClaw if you vibe with any of the marks is genuinely pretty great on Psyker.

[gusty warren]

Cold weapon?

like uhhh cold infusion? I can try DClaw....

[gusty warren]

I have inferno but it does not stop a hoard from walking at me and run me over

[glacial vapor]

But it does

[upper sun]

anyone down for coms yard?

[gusty warren]

isn't it deals no stagger and need a long time to charge up secondary attack?

[glacial vapor]

I always ran single target melee for inferno for that reason

[gusty warren]

if a hoard appear in the corner I cannot charge it up before they close the gap and wack me

[glacial vapor]

I'm not 100% on what inferno can stagger but I've never had an issue with basic enemies

You can use the primary attack to stagger and create space

Also dodge sliding backwards

[gusty warren]

dodg sliding?

[glacial vapor]

If you dodge during your slide, you travel further

[gusty warren]

but I cannot dodge forward.....

[glacial vapor]

Timing can be tricky to get a hang of but once you do it helps survivability a lot

[glacial vapor]

Why are you moving forward, you use it to create space to charge a staff attack lol

[gusty warren]

oh so I turn around, slide, charge and dodge and release

[glacial vapor]

No, dodge in the direction you want to go, then press slide during your dodge

[gusty warren]

I can slide in non forward direction??

[wraith sphinx]

Yes that's crouch dodging

[glacial vapor]

Yes but only during dodge

[wraith sphinx]

ASD+space+ctrl in that order

[vernal temple]

this was interesting. team goes to pop the rotter, 3 out of 4 return to the riser platform, one gets downed before getting on the riser, I run to pick him up, but another teammate turns the valve to ascend further

so basically doors closed and we left him behind to die

poor Drog

[gusty warren]

Damn lemme try that

[gusty warren]

I think I got it!

dodge slide back allow just enough time to charge

[glacial vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/the-matrix-laurence-fishburne-morpheus-trinity-he's-beginning-to-believe-gif-18413151103009905935

You don't have to charge fully btw

It's preferable but you don't always have the time

[wraith sphinx]

Very good. Now practice doing that and you'll soon be in awe how you stopped getting hit in melee

[gusty warren]

you do get bonus from fully charge?

now I just need to install a mod to show dodges left...

[verbal thistle]

Numeric UI

[glacial vapor]

Always better to fully charge if you have the time

Not sure if it's that big a deal on inferno compared to others but its worth it

[strong gulch]

Inferno is the one of the staves that I wouldn't prioritize fully charging. If you can start with a full charge that's great. Full secondary charges on inferno are less less of big deal compared to voidblast or EK.

@nocturne dust

Whoops

Deadvoid knows more on that, or at least is better at explaining.

[rigid sky]

I think you can use full charges to pump your peril up a bit more too

Inferno sometimes has trouble pumping peril up if you wanna go Shriek

[gusty warren]

they do! and very useful for sustained firing

when covered you feel like a changebringer spewing fire around

oh well, flamer of tzeentch

[plucky flax]

Getting flamed for not bringing psykinetic aura

[gusty warren]

what is that

[gusty warren]

oh I see it

competing with wildfire

maybe can get both though

man I wish psyker have a bird beak mask for totally aesthetic reasons

[leaden mulch]

does smite affect by this node

range damage boost +5%

[thorn cedar]

yes

[strong gulch]

LMB/ primary spam build peril faster; BUT it's like a second faster.

[leaden mulch]

so, I create this build for havoc
EP smite + Scriers gaze (warp unbound) for dealing with hoard
range : use elec staff primary for everything else
melee : great/dueling sword
work really well on havoc 30, will try it on havoc 40 tomorrow
any suggestion?

[cloud night]

I just cant wrap my head around sciers being used with anything but disrupt destiny

It just sounds like fucking heresy to use either other keystone

[leaden mulch]

since elec staff primary is really good, is there any point that I should use secondary instead?

[strong gulch]

EK's meta build is RMB.

auric and havoc

[rigid sky]

There ain't no competition between those two

It's a competition between Psy Aura and Assail

[leaden mulch]

isn't wildfire bad, after testing.
I head that if 1 enemy die with 4 stack other 4 enemy only get 1 stack each

[strong gulch]

Wildfire is good. Think of it as range extension and pre-cooking.

Also if you want to troll a sibiling and steal their SB stack damage.

[thorn cedar]

It's situational, really.

[strong gulch]

BUT it also isn't going to make or break a build.

[thorn cedar]

It's really nice for making In Fire Reborn stacks very easy to pull from. The less Soulblaze you have the better it is at ensuring that level of reliability.

[strong gulch]

Except for maybe fire sword, but that is beyond meme.

[thorn cedar]

But the more you output the less it really matters.

And yeah there's a couple caveats to how it works.

[vernal frost]

just dont run it on final toll

https://tenor.com/view/car-garn47-explosion-floombo-gif-6280498000577620919

[nocturne dust]

You don't full charge because low charges maintain Blaze Away, which is more important

[leaden mulch]

I haven't done final toll before what will happen?

[vernal frost]

death

[nocturne dust]

You start with a full charge, then move into small charges (min charges are okay, but a 40% charge is about the best because it maintains Blaze Away while charging as much as you can)

[vernal frost]

final toll is cc immunity

[leaden mulch]

got it

[vernal frost]

also maybe try out shriek w/ smite & warp charges

as an alternative

less uptime probably but more damage

tho idk

[nocturne dust]

The more you output, the more it matters

[vernal frost]

cause proccing psykinetic aura on smite gaze is pretty hard when you're playing with actual people

lowk

[nocturne dust]

Don't make me bring out my Wildfire explanation paragraph again 😤

[prime elk]

i haven't seen it

show me

[nocturne dust]

Some people dislike Wildfire, but it is good and is a damage increase. Wildfire works by spreading up to 4 stacks of soulblaze on a target that dies, with each stack being distributed evenly (so a dying target with 3 stacks spreads 3 stacks, 1 stack to each nearby enemy if there are 3 of them with 0 stacks, but will spread 4 stacks if the dying target has 4 stacks, 2 to one of the 3 nearby enemies). Wildfire will spread stacks to a target as long as the target has less than 4 stacks. Wildfire is incredibly useful because it can spread beyond your Inferno staff's range, meaning when an enemy enters Inferno's range you already have 4 stacks applied to them when in tense, Auric Damnation/Havoc 25+ situations due to enemy density being stupidly high. That is 1/4th of Inferno's max stacks, which is significant and really helps Inferno stack all that quicker and kill quicker, helping Wildfire spread more. On top of that, Wildfire helps eliminate chaff (4 stacks doesn't kill alone but can kill with Blaze Away and other buffs) and manage your sides/back without you doing anything. You won't be killing hordes with Wildfire, but when you turn around to face a threat you'll find enemies nice and pre-toasted. It also helps you gain more Warp Siphon stacks through In Fire Reborn, and get the first stack of Soulblaze so that your Blaze Away blessing always applies even if other Soulblaze Psykers are around. I wholeheartedly support Wildfire on an Inferno build in the game's current state (and it's still very good on a lot of other staff builds with Creeping Flames too).

[vernal frost]

https://tenor.com/view/wesker-albert-albert-wesker-resident-evil-resident-evil-4-gif-5143688443782660001

[nocturne dust]

Soulblaze talent good with soulblaze

[plucky flax]

Cool story bro

[nocturne dust]

Who would've guessed

[plucky flax]

This team sucks i might have to go burga after all veri sad

[prime elk]

Thanks putting it through ChatGPT for a tldr

[rigid sky]

I always liked it on soulblaze EP builds

Since EP has a glut of extra points

[nocturne dust]

Abominable Intelligence lover detected, send in the execution squad

[rigid sky]

My trauma build uses it pretty well... I think

[nocturne dust]

I would recommend it on Warp Siphon builds as well. Like, it's not the most amazing talent, don't get me wrong, but it's better than warp battery

[leaden mulch]

I know, but I create this build for current havoc
3 boss at a time, everyone most likely separated.
boss killer cant focus on boss if tons of enemy keep coming.
normal smite don't provide enough time.
my solution is smite + Scriers gaze (warp unbound) so I can stop enemy like 20-30 sec to let teammate focus (boss, objective, or heal)

[plucky flax]

Based

[autumn lark]

whole lotta yapping

[plucky flax]

But can smite cc red elites?

[prime elk]

honestly i typically already took wildfire on staff builds

[nocturne dust]

Bro, you have no idea how many walls of text I have written in this Discord

[verbal thistle]

2

[nocturne dust]

There's a reason that's a copypasta

[rich spindle]

9 sentences = an impenetrable wall of text

[nocturne dust]

That's a lot of sentences

[plucky flax]

Try some line break

[leaden mulch]

and that is why I use EP and other smite damage buff, so enemy that I cant cc take some damage.

[nocturne dust]

Steam broke the line breaks

[rich spindle]

thats almost 10 whole sentences. were gonna need a table of contents

[nocturne dust]

😭

It used to be two paragraphs

[rich spindle]

my god

[ornate hamlet]

Gonna need a tldr for each sentence ngl

[upper sun]

hello chatgpt could you please summerize to me the keypoints made by DeadVoid?

[nocturne dust]

One for explanation of wildfire, the other for the 'is it good tho', but then transferring it to Steam's crappy guides made me have to rewrite it.

[nocturne dust]

fire good, more fire gooder

[strong gulch]

more sb more gooder

[nocturne dust]

[strong gulch]

lmao

[rich spindle]

does wildfire make purg go over 16 stacks or is that just PC

iu keepo forgetting

[nocturne dust]

Neither

PC can go above 16 stacks on its own

Inferno unaffected

[rich spindle]

yeah

[nocturne dust]

Inferno's max is technically 15, unless you crit on the last hit in which case it goes to 16 and then decays to 15

[rich spindle]

I keep seeing 24ish stacks in my havocs and forget how it procs

[strong gulch]

creeping flames can stack on top too

[nocturne dust]

Inferno cannot refresh 16 stacks because it's not supposed to go there

[rich spindle]

yeah but I use bubble, sometimes I see 31 on a boss with just purg + wildfire + pc

[nocturne dust]

Creeping Flames or Perilous Combustion. Only 2 ways.

[gusty warren]

Oh the reason inferno is so good because the fire deal soulburn?

[nocturne dust]

soulblaze, yes

That's why flame blue

[strong gulch]

All of the whiteish blue fire is soulblaze

[nocturne dust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1310894228339167334/Fire_Elmo_V5.gif

[strong gulch]

Inferno applies SB (soulblaze) DoT, has direct damage, and infinite cleave.

[rich spindle]

ive been running pen flame + blaze away lately in havoc

[nocturne dust]

Blaze Away is king. PF is alright, kinda depends.

[rich spindle]

feel like pc already snowballs the stacks so fast

[nocturne dust]

Nexus is sometimes better than PF, but the longer enemies live, the more PF wins out

But Nexus also helps proc EE so

still a tossup in Havoc.

[rich spindle]

coo thats about what I figured too

I like that pen flame makes you feel slightly less stupid for hitting crushers

[tough vine]

Blue fire means it's fully combusted, so blue fire = better fire

[nocturne dust]

PF with brittleness from another source lets you eat crushers

[tough vine]

Science 😄

[strong gulch]

If a PF inferno psyker and a rending shockwave psyker are playing together, that's when I say pf is better.

[nocturne dust]

because PF is the only brittleness source that stacks above 40% (but obviously, since it goes to 20% it needs something else to do that)

[rich spindle]

PF lets me get 2nd or 3rd place boss damage usually

[nocturne dust]

Unless my allies are carrying a boss killer, I normally get 1st on boss damage with Inferno

Boss killers being thammer, pickaxe, gunlugger, bolter, and sometimes flamer with the right build

and Vraks Infantry Auto/Plasma/Agrivolver if they're willing to ammodump with those, but that's more rare

Although, Agrivolver makes it a contest

[gusty warren]

Inferno is also good at boss killing??

Are the dot percentage base or something, no way it is also good against big body…

[analog agate]

It is pretty good. EK is better if you are just using staff but if you use inferno for soulblaze stacks and then swap to dueling sword it is probably better

[nocturne dust]

It's 2nd best if you do uncanny soulblaze

Only Vraks beats it on psyker

[gusty warren]

Isn’t uncanny a melee mod?

[nocturne dust]

Without uncanny soulblaze, it's worse than EK without PF

[vernal frost]

the humble laspistol:

[nocturne dust]

Yes. It affects soulblaze when your melee is out.

[nocturne dust]

Laspistol relies on weakspots, which is fine sometimes but completely impossible other times.

[gusty warren]

?????????

[nocturne dust]

It's better than EK and Inferno but worse than Uncanny Inferno... if you never miss that weakspot

[vernal frost]

wait till you learn that manstopper affects throwing knives on zealot

[gusty warren]

What manstopper do again….

[nocturne dust]

Puncture on 🅱️istol affects FGS special slice

[gusty warren]

Why would it effect when melee is out

This is so cursed

[vernal frost]

inf cleave

[nocturne dust]

Fatshark and broken blessings affecting things they shouldn't

[gusty warren]

What’s next, soul blaze count as weakspot hits?

[long wharf]

Classic FartShack

[vernal frost]

no it targets base armor

same as all dots

[gusty warren]

Ah so it is worse against armor

[long wharf]

Body armor, specifically

[gusty warren]

(My darkest dungeon brain was thinking)

[vernal frost]

no it's base armor

[nocturne dust]

Fun fact: Inferno can hit weakspots

[vernal frost]

like

[deft stump]

Brittle+rending says hi.

[vernal frost]

scab rager has flak base

but carapace torso

dots do flak dmg to him

[nocturne dust]

It's, like, incredibly hard to do consistently with Inferno tho

[long wharf]

Scab rager is all flak

[gusty warren]

This is so cursed

[vernal frost]

he's not until you last launched the game in October

[nocturne dust]

Scab Rager's torso got updated to carapace

[long wharf]

When?

[nocturne dust]

but Inferno still thinks it's flak

[vernal frost]

it doesn't think

[long wharf]

Wtf

[nocturne dust]

recently, like with Havoc

[vernal frost]

His base armor is flak

[gusty warren]

“Soul blaze”
Look inside
damage effected by physical armor

[vernal frost]

Dots "target" base armor

[nocturne dust]

Even the Direct Damage/Stagger

[vernal frost]

one of the twins is unarmoured I think

base

[vernal frost]

Oh idk how that works

Maybe it's the same

[nocturne dust]

Inferno moment

[vernal frost]

I'd have to ask someone more knowledgeable about weps that aren't hitscan or a projectile

[gusty warren]

Any Devs trying to make a non-buggy flamethrower in any game challenge:

[nocturne dust]

I mean, the problem with flamethrowers is most devs go about it the wrong way

It really is as simple as 'many bullets that look like fire' and shouldn't be anything complex

[vernal frost]

the problem with darktide's flamethrowers is that they're too good

[gusty warren]

Flamethrowers are supposed to be good in hoard shooter

Or something like that

[gusty warren]

With physics and bounces sometimes but not all the time

[nocturne dust]

Eh

[vernal frost]

yeah but it fucks up the balancing cause they scale in efficiency if you add more enemies

[thorn cedar]

I mean yeah, AoE gets more valuable as target density increases.

That's just how it is.

[nocturne dust]

The issue with their balance is entirely in Havoc

[vernal frost]

same with other skills that get out of control the higher the difficulty is

[nocturne dust]

and Havoc is unbalanced by default

[vernal frost]

like psyk aura

[fiery stratus]

Watching some dude on reddit ask for advice for playing knife, then come up with excuses for literally every single person's advice as to why he can't use it. And he's getting down voted to fuck

[nocturne dust]

Like, take an Inferno into Auric and it's good, yeah, but a good team will kill things before they get in Inferno range.

[patent mango]

advice for non knife enjoyers to play knife is to not play knife

[fiery stratus]

Guy said he has close to 1000 hours played, and he still doesn't know basic fundamentals

[vernal frost]

ok could someone explain this to me

rodin's centre mass is unarmored

but his base is flak

he's supposed to be taking flak damage here

does anyone have a dmg curve for dots

nvm i have a better idea

[plucky flax]

Sry was me

[fiery stratus]

Someone had to explain using a door as a choke point to this guy with close to 1000 hours

[vernal frost]

ok all good he does take flak damage

fuck you fatshark

absolute nonsense

[sharp shoal]

doin a run and barely making it to the elevator carrying a book as psyker me getting in with 2hp left

i wouldn't chokepoint doors because theres a thing with some enemies like muties for example pulling you behind the spawn door where enemies spawn

[plucky flax]

New havoc really exposed a lot of players. Havoc 40 completion but their tru rank is like low 30s.

[vernal frost]

it didnt expose anyone it was a completely different meta

which was a lot easier

[nocturne dust]

I just haven't played new havoc beyond people inviting me and getting dumpstered

[plucky flax]

You can run the same comp it's still easiest way to clear

Cc spam and bubble

[vernal frost]

idk do i wanna run cc spam on toll and run beacon of purity overall........

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, but the changes made people want to run other stuff and do things unsafely

so now it's very (un)surprising when we all wipe

I also just don't enjoy Havoc, so not much reason for me to rank up

[plucky flax]

People keep leading bonbon out of my bubble

It's very sad

[vernal frost]

old havoc didnt put pressure on you, didnt have ritauls, no lieutenants

[cloud night]

I'm just gnna humor it
Does somebody actually have an assail build?

I wanna test something

[plucky flax]

Yeah if you want bubble knight

[cloud night]

Sure, why not
I only use scriers with fgs so it'll be some diff
Slide it over

[plucky flax]

Strongest h40 build
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ebacfec-9eb8-4f84-b139-4e3cca58dcfb/melee-bubble-havoc-40

[analog agate]

Stronk

[opaque barn]

noob question. what does weapon mastery do?

[vernal frost]

gives you points you can spend on the weapon mastery thing

ups your max power limit for that weapon

basically the thing you need to build weapons

[plucky flax]

More melee damage than the vet and zel total damage must be stonk
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1365393183617581067/Untitled.png?ex=680d24fe&is=680bd37e&hm=d6a5aeee6b8ada2b657044bba884415a62385b425b2d74b5649391350165f783&

869k range damage and I took 1 smol ammo

[dull scroll]

now now don't crop out the names 😂

[cloud night]

Alr

Apparently Mr E is in my lobby

[analog agate]

Now that is the kind of attention seeking I want to see from a content creator
📸

[cloud night]

Kek

[fiery stratus]

a bad one at that

[cloud night]

https://tenor.com/view/edp-i-mean-its-all-right-gif-26702511

[prime elk]

Yikes

[strong gulch]

uhhh

why sniper die like that

[plucky flax]

Happy to see you

[wraith sphinx]

tried playing some veteran and I just got bored

back to gunkering

I should embarrass myself on havocs again I think

[strong gulch]

can put health pack on ship wing

[upper sun]

messy chat 😭

[proper osprey]

I need your wisdom

I wanna run melee psyker with scries in havoc

I know I definitely need wrath

And survivability

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e81f1c9-3b63-4dc3-809b-9aee0aef4d51/melee-psyker-27?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button how would this fair?

Replacing precog with wrath

[torn kernel]

shred wrath my beloved

[wraith sphinx]

You don't need cruel fortune, you'll be on max stacks of disrupt destiny almost constantly

I would exchange that for quick shards

I also strongly recommend you get warp speed, the extra speed will help you a ton in melee

[nocturne dust]

Cruel Fortune is fine

[proper osprey]

I mean I could I’ve never really had an issue with spacing on melee psyker

Warp speed is nice but not entirely needed

[wraith sphinx]

Warp speed is like the second best subnode for me after precog

[nocturne dust]

Warp Speed is very much not needed

[wraith sphinx]

I very much beg to differ but suit yourself

[broken carbon]

but it’s fun

[proper osprey]

Cruel fortune is good sometimes dd targets get put outside of your range but it’s not needed as well

It is fun

[nocturne dust]

It's only active during Scrier time, not the after effect

[proper osprey]

I run it on scries trauma

[wraith sphinx]

Doesn't bother me a lot because I also run psykinetic aura which makes scriers even more spammable

[proper osprey]

I really wanna do a all psyker run on havoc

[nocturne dust]

If you're looking at meta, that's pretty off since SG really doesn't need cdr

[proper osprey]

Probably gonna cope when I get twins

[nocturne dust]

but you can do what you like if you find it fun

[proper osprey]

Yeah scries doesn’t really need that cooldown with by crack of bone it lets you stay in it for a while

[wraith sphinx]

Well maybe, but on havocs so far it seems useful to have scriers active for as much as possible throughout a match compared to non havocs when I only really activate it during hordes or when I panic

[proper osprey]

It’s better to take that crit because in havoc you need crit to kill with the fgs

[nocturne dust]

I mean, yes, it is

but like

you're giving up Assail for psykinetics

[proper osprey]

Assail is needed for melee psyker

[nocturne dust]

That's a huge loss

Unless you're a dirty smyker

[wraith sphinx]

I don't even really smite outside of stunning crusher/bulwark trains 🤭

[nocturne dust]

Dirty smyker detected, calling in the execution squad

[cloud night]

Assume the position by the barrel

[wraith sphinx]

Nuh uh

Activate infinite emphatic evasion

[nocturne dust]

emphatic

https://tenor.com/view/ethplode-matrix-matrix-ethplode-bomb-ethplo-gif-14837927

Unfortunately, I have a counter for this

It's called lag

[wraith sphinx]

I may switch to an assail gun psyker loadout later but my current one has been so much fun to play with

[rich spindle]

Assail with dd is like 1000 billion trillion damage for clicking

[rich spindle]

What do you think is the optimal captain shield damage psyker

Chainaxe?

[prime elk]

chaxe isn't optimal for anything

[proper osprey]

For melee psyker? Weapon dependent for force greatswords id just do heavies

[rich spindle]

What would be psyker best twins damage, though

[wraith sphinx]

uhh, no idea. Boss killer vraks ag?

[cloud night]

EP assail is kinda nutty with meleeker

[wraith sphinx]

it is

[prime elk]

prob vraks or SAP

or recon las

for shields you want fast attacking weaposn

unless you're ogryn

[nocturne dust]

Something to say, sibling?

[half anvil]

uhm

“Unlimited. Powah!!”

https://tenor.com/view/darth-sidious-star-wars-lord-sith-lightning-angry-gif-12195139

[nocturne dust]

"To the block, prisoner. Nice and slow."

[brazen rampart]

It's "Nice and easy."

Skyrim has been out for over 11 years and people still get the quotes wrong smh.

[elfin owl]

preorders for switch 2 are high

[wraith sphinx]

slapped together an assail build and got an instant reminder why I mained gun smyker in the first place, it can get a little rough when the rest of the team is bad vs carapace enemies

no doubt that handling everything else is comparatively a breeze though

[jagged quarry]

how do you quell with a controller?

[analog agate]

Whatever button reload is

[prime elk]

reach 100% peril and you'll automatically quell

[jagged quarry]

i am not that noob, just trying to play the game with a controller instead of m&k

[prime elk]

don't mind me, was just being unhelpful for the sake of memes

[nocturne dust]

Just stab the crushers

[nocturne dust]

In fairness, I haven't played that intro in 11 years

Modded moment

[wraith sphinx]

@plucky flax got yours yet? 😏

[patent mango]

i've been too lazy to even start tbh

[wraith sphinx]

you aren't missing out

I like the sine wave puzzle but I aint gonna use that insignia lol

[nocturne dust]

Game said no 😭 (I was trying to attack but couldn't, trying to slide but couldn't)

[wraith sphinx]

yup, classic desync fuckery

[nocturne dust]

It was a good clutch too, but eh, entire match was plagued by warp shenanigans.

[strong gulch]

I raged ealier because desync kept forking me over.

I have skill issues. I don't need desync too.

[cloud night]

That thing's lowkey ugly as fuck
Event's fun tho
I let the radio fucker live for the extra enemies then clap his ass

[drifting steeple]

so the cat knocked over two half filled pepsi cans and one of them landed on my mouse pad

i am now borrowing one that has a wrist rest

i cant aim with this?

fuck it, flipping it over

[ornate hamlet]

Try using the mouse to aim with, rather than the mousepad.

[plucky flax]

Yep. This event was so boring

[strong gulch]

Trying to find the auspex is annoying. Someone being able to just grab it and run off with it isn't cool. Sometimes it's been imbedded into the ground so I couldn't grab it; only the "tag" option was available.

[ornate hamlet]

I had someone leave it in a box after swapping it for another item. Never said a word.

[strong gulch]

lmao

that sucks

wtf

[ornate hamlet]

Only reason I even found it is because I legit thought it was another stim sitting there and I was checking to see what it was.

But yeah, just dropped it and ran off

[strong gulch]

[drifting steeple]

i havent even seen one of the blasted things

granted i am in new player lobbies

[modest perch]

i swear they dont spawn half the time

id rather have the 6-8 slugs per mission event back

this is just annoying treasure hunt + a million snipers for no reason

[late night]

what do you run on voidblast for havoc

perks + blessings

nvm i see pins

[ripe obsidian]

These radios are not easy to find. Do they have an audio cue or anything?

[strong gulch]

Radio operator or the auspex thing??

Because no clue for both.

[ripe obsidian]

The auspex thing

I have found 1 in three missions

[strong gulch]

There is a marker above them like the other interactable "consumables".

[ripe obsidian]

Maybe I am just blind

[strong gulch]

To be fair, people can just pick them up and run off with em or leave em in a box.

[plucky flax]

Use cheat mod to get through event

[strong gulch]

When I was playing with my partner earlier, I never found them.

[strong gulch]

Which one?

[plucky flax]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/513

Set it so you can see the marker for them through wall and call it a day

[ripe obsidian]

Thank you.

[plucky flax]

I just went for quick maps on zealot and never touch this crap again

[ripe obsidian]

I will probably do the same.

[torn kernel]

pubs are picking the damn things up and not doing anything with em

[strong gulch]

Oh nice. Actually got this one.

[shy pewter]

to be fair it took me a second to figure out what to do with it

[wary flax]

What's the point of Warp Rupture modifier for Venting Shriek? Pretty sure Creeping Flames deals more damage even if you're not using it to push soulblaze stacks with the flame staff.

[torn kernel]

at least try you it out

[torn kernel]

it's uh an option i guess

a shit one

[untold niche]

THEY REMOVED QUELL CANCEL

[torn kernel]

when was the last time you played psyker

[untold niche]

i jus saw the patch notes 1 month ago

[strong gulch]

yeah 😭

[wary flax]

Time for peak gameplay.

I need the smite penance.

[weary idol]

about to clutch a havoc run soloing the twins and a reaper just...decides to shoot straight through a wall and kill me

okay

[wary flax]

Enemies interrupted my smiting and my teammates just all died.

The zealot was mostly using his bolter and not even powering up his relic blade.

Bruh.

Mag dumping gunners that are literally 3 meters away from him instead of just using his sword.

Bruh.

[torn kernel]

do it in uprising or somethin

that way at least smite kills shit on its own

[hardy coral]

i was just trying to find the Radio's and the rest of the squad just went and died... but at least i clutched it out of spite.

[wary flax]

I was killing things.

My teammates weren't really killing things, and as soon as I got downed it all went to shit in like 20 seconds.

I got downed cause I got stuck on a horde and a sniper shot me, and a teammate ran over and started picking me up...while being targeted by 3 fucking snipers.

Like, bro.

[weary idol]

https://tenor.com/nKcExxY0XTf.gif

[torn kernel]

should i get the new psyker pants

[wraith sphinx]

It's your aquilas, so get them if you'd like

[torn kernel]

it's the only class i don't have leather pants on i think

[wraith sphinx]

Personally I prefer the version without leg guards but these ones look cool too

[torn kernel]

apart from oggy

[wraith sphinx]

leather pants truly cool

these were in rotation like 1-2 months ago I think

[torn kernel]

woah i need those

[wraith sphinx]

now I just need that black and gold blouse to reappear to complete my set 🥺

[torn kernel]

yea the kneepads are way too round for the rest of my fit

i can also just wait 4 weeks and see if somethin better comes up

i don't think i've bought anything that's not on the third page

[wraith sphinx]

if only it rotated faster, or more pages rotated at once

but I think it would be a "damned it you do damned if you don't" situation because the players would then just complain about store item repetition

[torn kernel]

tru tru

[wary flax]

What are these zealot teammates I'm getting?

Dude walks into a daemonhost, and instead of backing off before it wakes up he smacks it on the head and dies to it.

[wraith sphinx]

smartest pub zealot

[wary flax]

Another one is mostly using a gun...

Dude wasn't even using his rush to fight the boss.

I went down cause I got separated from everyone by toxic gas a bomber threw, and after that it all went downhill.

I am the Emperor's Arms in the battle against the Darktide.

[upbeat kestrel]

The tide was indeed dark

[torn kernel]

holy shit what is up with the director today

so many ragers

[wraith sphinx]

nothing a couple assail shards can't handle

[marble crater]

Have you heard about our lord Inferno Staff?

[winter wharf]

Fucking hell mate, if I was there to see it I probably would die from laughter

[torn kernel]

i believe in Trauma supremacy 😤

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/807558374198870049/1365623298595098645/25D3DF1.MP4?ex=680dfb4e&is=680ca9ce&hm=c028050ea8996d20f365bcb4ba3d70d515a3679974c50df54eff64b57725a192&

y'all i think something's wrong with my psyker

[restive slate]

There's one with every Psyker, no worries

[tacit stump]

i hope they buff staff psykers boss damage

[weary idol]

I hope they never buff staff psyker boss damage

[wary flax]

I hope they give psyker buff body type.

[steady torrent]

I hope they buff assail even more

[tacit stump]

reorganizing talent tree

[celest valve]

"but I was trying to do the funny thunder hammer one shot"

[weary idol]

psykinetics aura is now an assail upgrade

[steady torrent]

Yea bro been skipping leg day and arms gyat dayum

[tacit stump]

but brainburst needs still a buff and it is boss damage

[upper sun]

brainburst is fine

[celest valve]

tbh assail is only bad because it was overnerfed because people complain about anything cool that's effective

[weary idol]

it's really not

brain burst is so bad that the only reason its taken is an upgrade that means you don't have to use it

[weary idol]

Assail is not bad

[upper sun]

brainburst just need like 20 extra infected damage so it one shots dogs at low peril

[weary idol]

It's just over there on the right side of the tree

and locks you out of Psykinetic's aura

[celest valve]

ok let's nerf it more then

can't have psykers thinking they're useful after all

[weary idol]

https://tenor.com/view/crunchy-cat-eyes-cat-tired-just-woke-up-gif-17675956404422399542

[celest valve]

also crit aura best aura sorry

[tacit stump]

it was fine until darktide became hectic

[celest valve]

you can take my crit aura from my dead hands wait no you can't toughness Regen from crits and 15% move speed nyoooooooooom

[steady torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/rigby-cat-rigby-pee-funny-cat-gif-436236211739437212

[vernal temple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1345496706124615760/hilbert.gif

psykers before heading out on a mission

[celest valve]

but yeah imo psyker gets a lot of pressure to nerf them because they're cool

[wraith sphinx]

Preach...

I used to be a cringe seers aura main constrained by notions of "being useful to the team" until my third eye opened

[celest valve]

man it's literally like 15% more damage or higher with precision weapons

[weary idol]

and also broken beyond belief

[celest valve]

plus all the crit synergy in psyker tree especially with assail which can crit

[wraith sphinx]

Yes so many good talents it boosts

[plucky flax]

41k warp fire damage last round only

[celest valve]

yes that's called being a viable darktide character c:

ogryn make happy noises at broken beyond belief table

[wraith sphinx]

viable

That's a concern only for doing high level havocs

Everywhere else in the game any kind of loadout goes if you know what you're doing

[celest valve]

yeah which every character should be able to do imo

if not every skill level

characters need to be able to slaughter hundreds of enemies in minutes of course they're going to feel broken

[plucky flax]

Yay another believer in bubble knight.

[weary idol]

bubble knight more like stupid

I need my emotional support scriers gaze

[wraith sphinx]

Such toxicity!

[celest valve]

ngl scriers gaze feels sometimes like placebo buff to me

[marble crater]

Chad gaze vs virgin bubble

[celest valve]

neat I went from killing things to killing things but at high warp

[wraith sphinx]

Stacking damage stacks to high heavens is placebo?

Do elaborate please

[celest valve]

yes

because infinite damage + 1 is just infinity +1

[weary idol]

I agree, which is why I called it emotional support scriers

It is very nice for boss damage though

[celest valve]

ok bosses yeah damage is more relevant there

[wraith sphinx]

What is this infinite damage weapon you employ

[weary idol]

DD is enough damage for gun psyker to be playable

SG ontop is to ensure you melt bosses and crushers too

[celest valve]

also it probably does help with hordes since you can keep it up a while

[weary idol]

Which is maybe less important for your teammates than bubble is

[celest valve]

yeah that's my feel generally in that DD is usually enough and has been consistently underestimated by people

[weary idol]

Also maybe less important for you

I'm keeping SG on so long as beast of nurgle and chaos spawn plague my games

Those shits need to die fast

[celest valve]

but it does feel good to pop gaze and spam button with mk8 greatsword

[wraith sphinx]

Yeah

[celest valve]

hehe horde go poof

[weary idol]

Chaos Spawn are still the leading cause of team wipes by far in my experience

I hate them so much

[wraith sphinx]

Also I like having a redundant extra damage source too much to not run sg

[celest valve]

promptly explodes because pressed special at wrong time

[wraith sphinx]

Like what if the worst case scenario happens and every single dd mark gets killed by someome else?

That shit keeps me up at night...

[celest valve]

then I just swap to pushing them and get the stack anyway

(there's like a 0.3 second window for damage too where you get the stack anyway if you damaged them)

[wraith sphinx]

Ik I'm joking a lil

[torn kernel]

i take sg just for warp speed

[wraith sphinx]

It's kinda impossible not to have your dd stacks up on auric+

[celest valve]

honestly it's impressive how good DD feels in general and assail too

[wraith sphinx]

Yeah

[celest valve]

people literally aim assail and don't even know it it's incredible

because you naturally just look at heads as a reflex

[weary idol]

I be spamming right click assail to snipe specials

[celest valve]

which is enough to redirect assail in flight to bounce off that head for a beautiful headshot

so you just yeet a shard and it bounces off people's head and people feel like it's autoaim instead of just magnetized towards your crosshairs

[wraith sphinx]

I'm currently running ilisi fs and bosskiller ag with my assail build, eveything seems to complement one another rather nicely

[celest valve]

but it results in by far the best feeling weapon because every single time it just feels right

[marble crater]

You barrel them and then kill your marks in peace

[wraith sphinx]

True I hadnt thought of that

I stand humbled

[celest valve]

try with greatsword c: greatsword has literally 0s attack time from swap to

[frigid briar]

does the extra crit chance from scryer's gaze remain after you hit 100% peril?

[wary flax]

Friendship ended with Mk VIII Force Greatsword.

Mk VI Force Greatsword is my new best friend.

[wraith sphinx]

I'm having trouble adjusting to fgs's reduced mobility 😦

[marble crater]

With the add on, yes

[celest valve]

the code is confusing and brain hurt

[frigid briar]

what add on?

[celest valve]

las pistol secondary thank me later

[wary flax]

Does the code make your brain...burst?

[marble crater]

Warp Unbound, extends the bonus for 10s after gaze ends

[frigid briar]

oh you meant the extra talent. thought you meant a mod lmao. thanks.

[celest valve]

there's basically a secondary bonus that you can see in the buff hot bar that only activated when it ends

[wraith sphinx]

But I cant melt bosses with a laspistol

[marble crater]

Nevermind, you don't need WU

[celest valve]

you can if you want to sacrifice your fingers to slaneesh

[marble crater]

I thought the lingering effect is from the add on and not base, oops

[celest valve]

but really most guns work, auto guns are weirdly fast

[wraith sphinx]

I don't think any scriers subnode is strictly necessary except precognition?

[celest valve]

i like FGS with an auto gun second, you can snap fire to specials

[weary idol]

https://imgur.com/a/1a5jieq

[wraith sphinx]

Yeah I run a vraks iag that only gets pulled out for bosses, reapers, or rarely other elite trains rest of the team neglects

[celest valve]

psyker veteran cosplay, cringe

[wraith sphinx]

I'm not gonna be able to hit consistent headshots like that in regular gameplay

[marble crater]

That looks so cursed

[wraith sphinx]

Cosplay?? It's literally exe stance if it was good

[celest valve]

also las pistol might could also do that with burn stance

[weary idol]

https://imgur.com/a/x8a8LuX

[celest valve]

exe stance is ludicrously good wym

the highlight particularly

[marble crater]

The highlight is the highlight of that ability for sure

[wraith sphinx]

The highlight is overrated

[late sapphire]

i see this gif on the inside of my mind when im pissing

[wraith sphinx]

I've played so much I can just reliably pick out vague enemy shapes anyways

[late sapphire]

just fyi

[celest valve]

yeah but it helps uptime when you just see people that get the reset

[weary idol]

highlight for basic shooters is good because missing one of those guys means they shoot a load into your back

[wraith sphinx]

Also exe stance's cooldown is honestly too harsh

[weary idol]

which hurts

[weary idol]

Isn't it 25 seconds?

[marble crater]

https://tenor.com/view/phrasing-archer-gif-8049838

[weary idol]

The..shortest of any ability?

[celest valve]

only if you stop shooting.

[wraith sphinx]

Is it?? I thought it was longef

If it is 25 seconds then mb

[weary idol]

oh no 30 seconds

[wraith sphinx]

Yup

Broken unplayable trash

[celest valve]

ill be honest. 99% of people who complain about ranged enemies don't shoot back.

[wraith sphinx]

*j

[weary idol]

(Scriers is 25 seconds)

[frigid briar]

so the base effects linger or not?

[wraith sphinx]

It does

[celest valve]

just. shoot. at. them.

even if you miss, let me introduce you to the wonderful world of suppression

[wraith sphinx]

Too right

But no

[weary idol]

https://imgur.com/a/JjPytzQ how

[wraith sphinx]

They will continue to ignore shooters then cry that shooters should not actually do anything like in vermintide

[wraith sphinx]

Oh hey I know of a psyker abilty that helps with that :3

[frigid briar]

what part of suppression didn't you understand?

[celest valve]

ok now gif except you mag dump in their direction and not actually hit anyone

[frigid briar]

you don't need to hit them to make them flinch and stop shooting my guy

[celest valve]

tbh it's especially funny with ogryns who press button and the entire map just is like "OH SHIT"

[wraith sphinx]

Rattle and roar

Such a raw fucking line

[frigid briar]

flamer/inferno staff is great for that. all the reapers start doing their morning stretches

[celest valve]

psykers probably the weakest at suppression but also as long as you crit once every couple of seconds ranged attacks do not exist

[wraith sphinx]

Esp with the high roff twin stubber. It's so satisfying it sends shivers down my spine

[celest valve]

crit build gunkers be like

[wraith sphinx]

Pretty much yeah

[celest valve]

(ok scriers gaze also makes it more consistent to dodge)

[frigid briar]

crit twin stubber makes me appreciate orks more

you can in fact always have more dakka

[wary flax]

That one veteran talent that gives 50% stronger suppression is crazy against gunners.

[celest valve]

god I love the heavy heavy stubber

acklys I think the biggest one

thunk

[frigid briar]

not enough bullets

disclaimer: there's never enough bullets

[celest valve]

yeah 50 cal in yo face

[frigid briar]

you take a twin-linked charmed reload into mortis and get death dealer, at one point you just start shooting and never stop

[celest valve]

oh oh oh also FUN BUILD ALERT. have you tried the one shotgun where the special ammo is a horizontal spreadshot on gunker

[frigid briar]

same with gun psyker to a lesser extent

[celest valve]

especially vs hordes

[wraith sphinx]

Two! Two .50 in your face!

[celest valve]

load spreadshot, fire at the right elevation, enjoy the blood mist that was once a horde

[frigid briar]

there's an argument to be made for double barrel with manstopper

get that guaranteed crit in, evaporate everything in a 45 degree radius

[celest valve]

that's mostly good on veteran with the right side keystone

kill three enemies with dueling sword, fire single shot that auto reloads, kill three enemies with dueling sword

super fun play style

[frigid briar]

psyker does way more crit damage tho

fewer pumps but they're way stronger

[rigid sky]

DB crit multiplier is dogshit though

[celest valve]

ye but consistency is key tho

[rigid sky]

And Finesse bonuses scale with the multiplier

[celest valve]

you don't want crits for the multiplier you want it for the blessing

[rigid sky]

You only want to crit for the blessing

[celest valve]

penetration sucks otherwise

[rigid sky]

And the bleed lets you extend the effective lethal range

[celest valve]

there's afaik the other db path which is double barrel, single target deletion

[rigid sky]

Might as well poke them in the eye with a dualie

[celest valve]

might work best with Fgs and assail

[rigid sky]

Oh that sounds fun actually

The shotgun acting like a "So Weird Space Magic isn't cutting it for you?" option

[plucky flax]

Red and purple my beloved...

[wraith sphinx]

So true siblings

One of the reasons I like gunker so much is because it scratches a similar itch as when I played arcane warrior in DAO

[marble crater]

Dragon Age Origins?

[wraith sphinx]

yes

[marble crater]

[celest valve]

"Then perish."

[rigid sky]

I hear that. Battle-mage, enhancement shaman, etc style right?

Spellblade/Mystic Knight's another example

[wraith sphinx]

I'm not familiar with these other terms but I'd say yeah, pretty much

[rigid sky]

always one of the outright coolest archetypes

just different interpretations of the same concept in different games

[wraith sphinx]

hell yeah

[rigid sky]

I've always considered Gunker to be Darktide's hidden 5th class

at least since they gave us a full kit for it with the talent trees in patch 13